President Obama in Israel:

Yesterday President Obama had a very successful day. He spoke to the Israeli people via a speech to college students and received sustained applause on several occasions. He said some things that conservative Bibi Netanyahu didn't especially want to hear. Building trust with the Palestinians and a pathway for Israel to remain a democratic nation were some themes that only a close friend can say to another friend.

Later in the day past Israeli President Shimon Peres and President Obama exchanged awards. President Obama received the highest civilian honor granted by the Israeli government—the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

The presentation was aired on CNN and NBC. During that same time period Fox News was running a commercial stating that President Obama is anti-Israel. Now and then the voice of sanity, truth, and reality needs to penetrate the Republican echo-chamber.

Wait ‘til next year

From the article above:

In our inaugural match up of our Senate Madness contest, Lloyd Bentsen (R-Texas) beat Phil Gramm (R-Texas) -- by an online vote of 69%-31%

And now for something fun…

The Worst Pickup Lines Ever

Courtesy iVillage.com, Kimberly Dawn Neumann on Feb 13, 2013

"Do you believe in love at first sight...or should I walk around you three or four more times?"

"I was trying to have a guys' night out and you just totally ruined it by being so cute."

"Go ahead. I give you permission to pick me up."

"What do you like for breakfast?"

"I bet you $50 you're not going to talk to me."

"Miss, I think you just dropped something...my heart."

"Is that a mirror in your pocket because I can see me in your pants?"

"I had to come over and see if your personality is as amazing as your smile."

[Guy gestures to his shirt] "Excuse me do you know what material this is? I'm actually pretty sure it's boyfriend material."

And the Pièce de résistance…

"Are you from Tennessee? Because you're the only ten I see!"

We now interrupt this program to bring you the following message:

Congratulations to Harvard for taking my Lobos out to the woodshed and beating them to a pulp. Simply put, Harvard came to play, and the Lobos were on siesta. Based upon past NCAA performances, it was inevitable that this would happen. We are the Chicago Cubs of college basketball (sorry Beverly).

“Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and sometimes it rains."

Ebby Calvin 'Nuke' LaLoosh (Tim Robbins), Bull Durham (1988)

Happy Friday!

Salud

Ron,

AND WHERE - are the reports of President Obama being awarded Israel's Highest Distinction by the 90-year old President Peres?

President Obama has made an unprecedented impression on the Israeli and Palestinian people. The Israeli newspapers are over the moon about his approach to both sides and speaking empathically for both sides, as no-one has ever done before.

Hence the standing ovations and non-stop applause!

Joe still thinks he's funny. He should he's a clown. Hey Joe we're laughing at you not with you.

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"But let's not fool ourselves: The biggest factor in gun violence is the gun. Until we begin to deal with the weapons themselves, we are working at the margins.

Despite what the NRA wants us to believe, guns do kill people....the U.S. death rate from gun violence is 40 times higher than the British rate. Why? What could make such a huge difference? The biggest factor has to be that British law makes it hard to buy a gun and U.S. law makes it easy." (Eugene Robinson)

Currently the tally since Newtown is more than 2,880 deaths.

Who beilieves that as a country, we are heading in the right direction?

From Rasmussen:

Right Direction - 31%

Wrong Direction - 60%

Really, 31% of Americans have no clue?

So "Forward" with the direction we are heading.... disaster!

Damn edit button is too fast need more time.

Wonder if that Zombie Gifford will be on the next Walking Dead?

Biden...there is certainly something mortally wounded on this guy.

Keep quoting Rasmussen Little Shelly. You seen how wrong they were during the election. Anything to make you tea people feel better.

TomasGrande - I like the classic "I am going to call you "Big Toe" cuz I am going to bang you on every piece of furniture I own."

Use at your own risk. I am about 0/5 with this one. 5/5 on slaps.

Happy Friday! Go Gophers.

[From Rasmussen:]

From FoxMussen...

There, fixed it for you Miss 162.

Lil Michelle, please put away the Rasmussen, they are the FOX noise of the polling business. It quite frankly is not a reliable poll.

This president has taken this country from the depth of recession to one of a growing economy despite everything the republicans in congress have done to derail it. In my opinion those that do judge his presidency in the future will consider him one of the best there ever was. He has overcome great odds just to become president but he didn't stop there. Obama care is a step in the right direction as other counties have proven over and over again. His economic plan is one with many success's and he has ended and is ending the two ill advised wars of his predecessor. He has done many more things that are positive for this country despite the negativity from the right. Now he is showing people in other countries what a great leader he is. He is being appreciated by them too.

Chris Christie said “he's undecided on whether the state should ban the controversial use of ‘gay conversion therapy,’ but

Perhaps the Gov won't be undecided on whether the state should ban GOP conversion therapy!

Convert!....Convert.....It's the TeaPeople way!

Well, I read what YOU wrote, Joe. It was pretty much pointless. What is this, "P#ss All Over Teachers Day"? Didn't read the whole article, but I know Barbara Byrd-Bennett did a helluva job in Cleveland. Guess what? If these schools need to be closed, they need to be closed. Overcrowding is a drag on education, but that's apparently not the case here.

Yeah, the funny thing about Rasmussen was

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They had the HIGHEST "heading in the right direction" of any poll, the rest were below -- that is why I chose it, so that those saying "Rasmussen has no clue" should actually look at the others.

I thought we were going to focus "like a laser" on jobs and the economy?

This president has taken this country from the depth of recession to one of a growing economy despite everything the republicans in congress have done to derail it. In my opinion those that do judge his presidency in the future will consider him one of the best there ever was

I love reading other people's mental illnesses. You, sir, need to come up from Obama's crotch once in a while to catch a breath of air.

You mean Jobs like the Speaker promised.

[Wonder if that Zombie Gifford will be on the next Walking Dead?]

Always the classy one, eh "counselor"?

Not gonna rag on Rasmussen. OK, they pooped the bed on the popular vote, but they had Obama comfortably ahead on the electoral vote. Which is what killed me when Romney backers were using this poll as proof of a Romney victory. These people either didn't read enough of the poll or were in denial.

Michelle, I don't suppose it would dawn on you that some of that 60% don't think Obama's liberal enough? Or that these numbers have been pretty consistent for some time, both pre- and post-election?

• There is OVERWHELMING support for an ASSAULT WEAPONS ban (and a ban of high capacity magazines for that matter). Just what don't you understand about that?? It will eventually pass just because of the amount of support it has.

Michelle,

[They had the HIGHEST "heading in the right direction" of any poll, the rest were below -- that is why I chose it, so that those saying "Rasmussen has no clue" should actually look at the others.]

That question does not ask if our President is taking the country in the right direction. It is a generic question and as I see it, it is the Republican led House that is doing nothing to help our country in fact they are doing nothing period.

Congressional approval at 10% down from the mid-20% before the 112^th congress … When the Republicans took control of the House.

Those that tout from suspect polls that things are not as they should be....to them I ask, What are you doing to make things better?

All you naysayers, who delight in your country struggling to be better balanced, who delight in your fellow citizens miseries or setbacks, What are you doing to help improve things???

We all have a shared responsibility to do what's best for the greater good. If you don't see things as such, you have no right to complain or criticize unless you don't appreciate the freedoms afforded to you living in this great country. All of you who constantly complain about the President, about the Democrats, about your fellow citizens need to ask yourselves what are you going to do about what makes you unhappy.

This coming week, brings us to important holidays in both the Christian and Jewish calendars, we celebrate the first day of Passover on Tuesday March 26th, and in the Christian calendar we start Holy Week culminating in Easter Sunday celebrating the Resurrection of the Lord. It is a perfect time to reflect on our shortcomings, may there be much reflection on how we can be more respectful of our President and ones fellow citizens.

Backhouse

You say nobody is coming to take guns away (which I agree because it isn't possible) but then you site gun crime statistics in Brittain where guns were confiscated.

You people expect us to believe that your intent isn't to confiscate guns and that we're ridiculous for believing otherwise, but then you continuously contradict that statement.

For those who don't like Rasmussen Polls I forgot - to a liberal if you don't like the results you just claim it is wrong and ignore. Kind of like all the companies telling us they are having to layoff workers due to the higher cost and taxes. But just ignore and keep your head in the sand.

But facts are to liberals what sunlight is to Dracula - I think it burns their eyes.

Backhouse

"But let's not fool ourselves: The biggest factor in gun violence is the gun. Until we begin to deal with the weapons themselves, we are working at the margins.

Despite what the NRA wants us to believe, guns do kill people....the U.S. death rate from gun violence is 40 times higher than the British rate. Why? What could make such a huge difference? The biggest factor has to be that British law makes it hard to buy a gun and U.S. law makes it easy." (Eugene Robinson)

Currently the tally since Newtown is more than 2,880 deaths.

Most of those deaths caused by a handgun. Where is Feinstein's request to ban those?

Some of Feinsteins ban I get. I don't think anyone needs an M203. The problem is that some of the weapons like an AR-15 are a part of a rural lifestyle and not as much of a part as an urban one.

It's too restrictive to pass and doesn't do much to address the problem.

Well, as far as Obama(aka George W Bush II) being Liberal enough, you may want to look at his approval ratings.

Sub 50 percent think he is doing a good job.

More believe hs is doing a bad job.

But, really who cares about what Americans think, certainly not the people on this site.

I don't "expect" anything at all from such a convoluted and parenoid interpretation.

Repo Jam I live a rural lifesyle and can tell you that an AR-15 is not part of it It's not good for anypart of hunting and most of us can't Afford it. I'm sure that won't keep you from spredding the Myth but I thought you might like to know the Truth

Michelle,

[Sub 50 percent think he is doing a good job.]

But he is on par with nearly every other President in their 5^th year.

This president...one of the best there ever was. He has overcome great odds just to become president but he didn't stop there. Obama care is a step in the right direction ... His economic plan is one with many success's...He has done many more things that are positive for this country ...Now he is showing people in other countries what a great leader he is. He is being appreciated by them too

Come up for a breath Johntho.

#1.23

Semi-automatic rifles are here to stay.

Start learning to accept reality.

Independent Redneck Va.

Repo Jam I live a rural lifesyle and can tell you that an AR-15 is not part of it It's not good for anypart of hunting and most of us can't Afford it. I'm sure that won't keep you from spredding the Myth but I thought you might like to know the Truth

You happen to raise any livestock? What do you use to shoot at coyotes to keep them safe?

I can understand you may not agree with my statement because it doesn't match the life that you live, but suggesting that it's "myth" and that you are providing "truth" is somewhat close minded.

Thank the House that the attempted grab of our inalienable right of self defense is almost over for now. Maybe our "leaders" can move onto something else that doesn't involve pushing us further towards totalitarianism. Like repealing Obamacare.

As for Obama's speech yesterday. Sure, the Israeli press commented and praised his style. Isn't that his thing? The Great Orator? It's like someone commenting how nice your new suit is while holding their nose because you haven't bathed in a year and your job is cleaning up pig @!$%#.

Every stop he made he was he met with protest. Some tinged with violence. He was heckled and booed at the very speech mentioned in the article. The Israelis view him as not the man with the gravitas or wisdom to offer resolution to their decades old problem. A point of view reinforced when he gave his press conference with Abbas under a banner featuring the terrorist Yassir Arafat.

As James Robbins points out, opinion of the U.S. (especially in the middle east)has dropped since Obama took office. It is not really a surprise given the horrible foreign policy being put forth by the inept crew Obama has chosen to represent America. They attempt to negotiate from a position of appeasement rather than strength. That does not garner respect, it only emboldens those who have no desire for a peaceful solution.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/03/20/obamas-middle-east-policy-in-tatters-column/2004343/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/9946857/Most-Palestinians-hate-Obama-US-president-gets-heated-reception-in-West-Bank.html

http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/protests-held-jordan-ahead-obama-visit-085156343.html

I point this out not as a slam on Obama (with the caveat that his foreign policy stinks and has damaged our standing in the world, contrary to what his cheerleading squad rah-rahs), but to demonstrate how distorted the "news" one gets from FR is. I give Obama kudos for bothering to go when he could've just went and played golf and been just as effective. The middle east is devolving into something the whole world may one day have to address collectively.

Independent Redneck Va.

Repo Jam I live a rural lifesyle and can tell you that an AR-15 is not part of it It's not good for anypart of hunting and most of us can't Afford it.

An AR-15 is certainly used in rural lifestyles. I also live in this life style and the AR-15 is the perfect varmint gun when using the .223 caliber round. High-speed, long range, and small enough to keep the pelt in tact. The plastic and color of the gun has nothing to do with its functionality, well camo color may be functional. This is the truth.

Backhouse

If you don't expect people to believe what you're saying, why say it?

In light of the fact that even the current administration has admitted that these gun control laws won't prevent gun crimes, the only logical conclusion regarding the motivation for passing useless laws is either:

1. Democrats have no friggen idea what they're doing
2. Democrats know exactly what they're doing and these laws are a small step towards a complete ban
3. Democrats are exploiting a tragedy for political gain by passing laws that do nothing more than give the appearance of fixing the problem

Which one is it?

Lil Michelle

Well, as far as Obama(aka George W Bush II) being Liberal enough, you may want to look at his approval ratings.

Please, enlighten me on this false equivalency juxtaposition perpetuated by the likes of Rush and Faux sNewzzzzz of equating President Obama as the same as "W".

I accept the fact that your side hates the current President, so, are you saying you hated "W" as well?

Are you saying President Obama is a real, true American Patriot just like "W"?

Do you agree that Barack is a good Christian like "W"?

Salud

It is the first number I thought of minus the one you made up.

The main thing the republicans don't want you to know is that we had an assault weapons ban for years and no one lost their second amendment rights.

We did have less mass murders.

I got one of those lying, fear mongering letters from Rand Paul playing chicken little screaming the sky is falling, the sky is falling, we need more guns to kill our children and don't forget to send me money.

The fear monger card is the only card left in the republicans deck. They used it to lie our country to the Iraq war. And yet the weak minded are still more than willing to believe and then repeat their every lie.

The republicans are very good at killing jobs, but where are the jobs, jobs, jobs they promised us. The republicans wouldn't even vote for jobs for our returning veterans.

Why would anyone be dumb enough to believe they care about America or jobs as the Ryan budget gives tax cuts to the rich instead of jobs they promised?

It's Friday morning .... let the onslaught of irrelevant, asinine and ridiculous lefty statements commence !

Let's see how long it takes before Bush gets blamed for Obama's incompetence !

And of course, we have MO .... whose team quickly got embarassed in the NCAA tournament ... ONE and DONE ! Darn, you would have thought that by going to the WEAK basketball conference of the SEC, they might have done better ! It's pretty sad when Ole MIss beats you TWICE in the same season ! LOL !!

Back to politics ... When will Bam-Bam produce his budget offering ? Did Obama simply wait for the Republicans to present their budget so he could sit back, act "Godly" and criticize ?? Sorry Mr. President, that is not leadership ! That is partisan politics which seems to be all you know !!

For those who don't like Rasmussen Polls I forgot - to a liberal if you don't like the results you just claim it is wrong and ignore.

Do you mean like when many on the right wing ignored polls ( such as Nate Silver) saying that Obama was going to win, and instead believing polls saying that Romney was going to win?

jim-1455434

Could be worse, my team didn't even make it out of the "play-in" or "first four" whatever you want to call it.

We'll be good next year though.

useconomy.about.com/od/candidatesandtheeconomy/a/Obama-Bush-Economy.htm

Here are comparisons between W Bush and Obama, very little difference.

You might also note that Obama has twice extended the Bush tax cuts. He has kept the Afghanistan pull out plan that Bush put in. There have been differences between the two, however more similarities.

As far as hating a President, I don't hate anyone, I have no room in my heart for hatred.

Everyone have a great weekend!

We did have less mass murders.

That is true. During the ban there was 10, since then 12.

That does not mean the problem is guns. Lots of other things going on as to the "why".

Law abiding citizens should not be punished because of the actions of criminals.You have a greater chance of being killed by a drunk driver than being killed by an "assault weapon" (unless one counts the car as an assault weapon). There are laws against drinking and driving just as there are laws against shooting people. No one's pushing to outlaw cars capable of exceeding speeds of 10 mph.

"RIGHT-WING GUN-NUTS, with GUNS do KILL PEOPLE"

One thing I noticed while looking at the data, most mass shootings occur in blue areas.

RepublicansForObama-6186389

WHEN i "TYPE" like THIS!!! Does it help get "MY POINT" across, OR does it JUST make "ME" look CRAZY?????

Did everyone else see what Fox News was reporting on while all other networks were showing President Obama receiving Israel's Presidential Medal of Distinction? They were running Hannity's commercial on how President Obama is bad for Israel...

But then again, while Hurricane Sandy was pounding the East Coast, and all the networks were covering it, Fox News was covering...BENGHAZI.

No wonder Fox News viewers know less about what is going on in the world than those who don't watch any news.

DingleB

Could be worse, my team didn't even make it out of the "play-in" or "first four" whatever you want to call it.

We'll be good next year though.

As a kid I lived in Vegas during the early 80s while my father was stationed there. Since then, I've been a UNLV fan. Seeing Cal just shut UNLV down in that final minute was just sad.

Maybe we should ban guns in the military:

usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/22/17409264-us-marine-kills-two-colleagues-at-quantico-base?lite

What do you think, gun haters?

ThomasGrande,

"Boyfriend material"... Hahaha!

Lil Michelle

Here are comparisons between W Bush and Obama, very little difference.

yes Michelle, just like Bush, Obama started 2 unfunded wars by lying to the American people.

Oh wait, that didn't happen.

And one president took over 4% unemployment and balanced budget, while the other took over financial meldown, 2 unpaid wars, and unemployemnt going through the roof because of the financial meltown and global credit crisis....

Remind me again, where is George W. Bush, and why is he not invited to appear with ANY Republicans???

It took your guy 8 years to f*ck up this country, and you came up with a 2012 candidate who f*ked up a little state of Massachussets, and in 2008, you came up with John "Bush" McSame so get off your high horse.

Repojam

You, ThomasGrande, and I all belong to the conference of shame this year then. Highest RPI, and 4 "at large" entries into the tournament, but so far 3 one and done performances. Hopefully SDSU and CSU can keep going.

Isn’t there anyone on the Left that can explain this moral dilemma? Can’t you come up with a single rational counter argument?

How are we supposed to believe the left really cares about life, the safety of our children, "If its saves just one life its worth it" -Joe Biden, "children are our most valuable asset"-Barrack Obama, when they call for all these new gun control laws?

Let’s take a look at Americas Moral Compass.

In America, since the Historic Row vs Wade decision 40 years ago 55,000,000 abortions have been Performed, 1.37 Million per year, 114,583 abortions performed each Month. The Abortion of 114,583 unborn children per month, 3800 a day, legally protected. What’s the Pro-Abortion rights logo?

“Abortion on demand and without Apology”.

In other words they believe its ok to Abort the lives of 106,020 unborn children a month and it’s perfectly acceptable. There’s no reason to believe it’s Morally wrong and you should feel bad if you do. Their arguments in support of abortion will be that it’s a Fetus, it’s because of Medical issues, there’s no one to adopt those unborn unwanted children, War on Woman, etc.

Before you declare it a "Woman’s Issue", and say it’s none of a Mans business, consider that it takes Sperm, which comes from Men, to get a Woman Pregnant. That means Men are just as responsible for the Abortion rate in the U.S. as Woman are, it is not just a "Woman’s Issue" and to say it’s none of Man’s Business is just more Hypocrisy from the Left.

Did you forget How Upset Americans were that Russia Banned Americans from Adopting Russian Orphans?

There are not enough American born orphans to go around?

Only 7% of all abortions are because of Rape, Incest, and Medical issues and the other 93% are because of other reasons, the mother was too young, the mother can’t afford it, it will affect their life. In other words 106,020 unborn children a month are aborted and there is no Medical justification, but they frame their argument as a Woman’s Health issue and if you are against Abortion you support the War on Woman. Let’s not forget it takes the Male Sperm to Get Woman Pregnant while they are disenfranchising Men and neglect holding them accountable.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html

reason % of abortions

rape or incest 1 (0.4-1.3)

mother has health problems 3 (2.8)

possible fetal health problems 3 (3.3)

unready for responsibility 21

is too immature or young to have child 11 (12.2)

woman's parents want her to have abortion <0.5

has problems with relationship or wants to avoid single parenthood 12 (14.1)

husband or partner wants her to have abortion 1

has all the children she wanted or all children are grown 8 (7.9)

can't afford baby now 21 (21.3)

concerned about how having baby would change her life 16

doesn't want others to know she had relations or is pregnant 1

other 3

The left wants you to believe that it is Morally wrong not to do everything you can to pass gun control to save children’s lives because 20+ children in the last decade have been killed in Mass murders. We have to protect our children; we have to pass gun control laws now, it is morally wrong not to do everything we can to save the lives of children.

If it saves just one life it’s worth it.

If you’re against gun control you’re a gun nut, don’t care about the lives of children, the NRA are terrorists, you support Murder, etc. They vilify anyone that stands in their way in their Nobel quest to preserve life.

In other words the Left believes it’s Morally acceptable to Abort 106,020 unborn children a Month, but your Morally corrupt if you are against Gun control laws that will have little or no effect on saving children’s lives but will take away your right to defend yourself and your family, your ability to preserve Life.

Where does your Moral compass point?

Kind of Hypocritical of the Left, don’t you think, to defend the right to Abort 106,020 babies a month, all the while claiming you support gun control to save children’s Lives because you care so much about life?

Perhaps the Left needs to take a hard look at their Morals and stop telling everyone else what their Morals should be.

I reject your Morals and Trust my Own! The Lefts Moral compass is Broken and Can’t be Trusted!

If you want to know what’s wrong with the United States just look at its Moral Compass.

Tell us again how precious life is, and how we have to do everything we can to pass gun control to protect children's lives, even if it saves just one life, while you defend the Abortion of 106,020 Lives a Month, children that would be a part of this world if they were given a choice.

They call themselves Pro-Choice, because Pro-Abortion doesn’t sound P.C.. Were those 106,020 unborn children that are aborted every Month given a Choice?

Lil Michelle

Who beilieves that as a country, we are heading in the right direction?

From Rasmussen:

Right Direction - 31%

Wrong Direction - 60%

Given the fact that Rasmussen also shows Obama with a 52% job approval rating, a lot of the people who think the country is heading in the wrong direction have correctly put the blame on the right wing extremists in Congress, who've been trying hard to drive the US into a ditch:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 52% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove.

Houston!

Given the fact that Rasmussen also shows Obama with a 52% job approval rating, a lot of the people who think the country is heading in the wrong direction have correctly put the blame on the right wing extremists in Congress, who've been trying hard to drive the US into a ditch:

Maybe it's just me but it seems like the 52% vs. 47% approve closely resembles the margin of popular votes during the election. Not exact but pretty close.

David Noah

the Republican party is pro-birth, period. Once that kid is born, they stop "caring." If that was not true, states like TX would not be comparable to a 3rd world country when it comes to the % of children living in poverty,% of children with no acces to basic healthcare, % of pregnant mothers with no basic prenatal care.

So again, before you preach your morality to us, look at the Republican party and its treatment of children after they are born.

DingleB

You, ThomasGrande, and I all belong to the conference of shame this year then. Highest RPI, and 4 "at large" entries into the tournament, but so far 3 one and done performances. Hopefully SDSU and CSU can keep going.

Hopefully someone can. Most of my family and neighbors around here are Texas fans. You can only imagine how they're feeling this year.

There is OVERWHELMING support for an ASSAULT WEAPONS ban (and a ban of high capacity magazines for that matter). Just what don't you understand about that?? It will eventually pass just because of the amount of support it has.

That's LAUGHABLE. There's overwhelming support from Democrats on limiting 2nd amendment rights. The rest of the country is overwhelmingly against it. There is a 0.00000000% chance that regular rifles that look like assault weapons and standard capacity (30 round) magazines will be banned. The fact of the matter is, it passed in 1994 and expired in 2004 with ZERO results. Since there is a precedent showing this legislation does not do anything, it would be nearly impossible to convince lawmakers to risk their jobs over voting for it. A lot of democrats lost their jobs last time... So, by all means, if you want the Republicans to take back the Senate, have all of the Liberals from red states vote against the 2nd amendment.

Don't believe what they tell you. NRA members only support expanded background checks when there isn't a permanent registry involved. Add the registry in and NRA support is less than 5%.

Those in congress that vote against stronger laws for firearms should have their names made public to everyone so as to be voted out of office... Tighter laws are what the majority of people want... I disagreed with senator Dianne Feinstein years ago when she wanted to ban guns in the city...

I have had guns for years... Took lesson in my early twenties on the proper handling and care of hand guns... I do not fear that tighter laws will infringe on my second amendment to own a firearm...

And make the GOP come to the table on immigration... The Latinos need a path to citizenship... They are are fellow workers, neighbors and friends... Let's get real about immigration...

"What do you think, gun haters?"

I don't hate guns, I own guns, but I am responible enough to know that you don't need 30-100 shots to down a Coyote, if you do, you are a piss poor shot. No one needs military style weapons except for the police and the miltary. NO ONE.

Dingle must have been working overtime, thinking this up, stayed up all night to do it. "Come up for a breath Johntho."

In response I would just like to add to Dingle. Bite me!!!

No one needs military style weapons

Let me clarify this for you...they are not "Military Style" they are "Military Looking". Military don't carry what you once proposed to ban.

Do people need Humvee's? Do people need fatigues? Half the technology we enjoy today comes from the military, do civilians need the internet? These are all "Military Looking" and pretty darn scary if you ask me. Ban em.

So again, before you preach your morality to us, look at the Republican party and its treatment of children after they are born

Your rational argument is to blame Republicans, and claim the unborn child would have a bad life if they are born, to justify killing over 100,000 unborn children a month.

How do you know they would have a bad life? How do you know they wouldn't be taken care of?

I'm not trying to press my Morality on you. If you believe aborting 100,000 children a month is perfectly acceptable, and you can come up with whatever excuse you need to justify it, that's your choice.

But dont try to convince every one your trying to pass gun control laws because you consider life to be precious and care about it so much, "if it saves just one life its worth".

Jontho said

I don't hate guns, I own guns, but I am responible enough to know that you don't need 30-100 shots to down a Coyote, if you do, you are a piss poor shot. No one needs military style weapons except for the police and the miltary. NO ONE.

No one gives a sh*t what you think they need.

David Noah, I don't think anyone is FOR abortion, very few anyway, the anti-'s are right, it is killing a baby.

I don't speak for all democrats as we as a party are as split on this issue as the republican party is. However, this is how I feel. Abortion is a horrible method of birth control. There are other ways available, (extremist are even against this.) (as a matter of fact they feel that birth control is abortion). I would be willing to bet that most of the woman who are confronted with this decision, do not take it lightly. It is her, and her doctor's decision, not yours, not mine, nor is it in any way the governments. This goes on the same page as the 2nd amendment. A persons right to privacy is one of the most privileged of living in a free country in my opinion.

I honestly believe in the conservative values that are shown in other aspects of our life. "If you don't want an abortion don't get one" Simple conservatism, get it?

So while I find abortion without a moral or medical reason despicable, (rape or incest, or health of the mother) I am unable to walk in those shoes so I have nothing to do with this decision for someone else.

Mr Steady, Likewise I am sure, and there are more of me then there are of you, get it?

David Noah, the Republicans/conservatives/Tea Party are certainly adept at touting their rights over everyone else's right.

You hold up the Second Amendment as giving you the right to bear arms. Yet, in your zeal to defend your rights, you deny the First Amendment rights of the rest of us. We have the right to freedom of speech and expression. You think your definition of everything is the right one and the only one. Not true.

You hold up the right to bear arms as guaranteed by law, yet you deny an individual right to an abortion which is ALSO guaranteed by law.

You try to equate killing live children with aborting a fetus. You are entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to mine. Someone else's abortion has no impact on you other than your sensibility.

Get over yourself. America is not about everyone getting everything they want. It is about compromise. My rights suffer for yours and your rights suffer for mine. You may NOT presume to tell me what I should think or believe.

Storm troopers because of a kid in a photograph holding a firearm....

Rewards for turning in friends & neighbors for POSSIBLE illegal firearms....

Executive orders to look at your internet traffic & emails.....

And the left still wonders why we don't trust the administration.....

Morgs, Camo, and Humvees don't kill 20 children and 6 adults, this is just one example of the atrocities that have been committed with this gun. Violent people own them, or they wouldn't pay the price to get one. Ammo isn't cheap and in some cases isn't even available in an area, there is a shortage.

Like I told Mr. Steady, there are more of us then their are of you and we support responsible gun laws that include taking military style weapons off of our streets. There is no purpose to these weapons except to kill as many humans as possible in a short period of time. No civilian needs that capacity.

No one needs military style weapons except for the police

If the general public does not have "military style" weapons, why would the police?

fielden

David points out the hypocrisy of the left. It was Biden who said "if it will save one life".

When I see a pickup truck with a NRA decal on the back window I think of that Dick Cheney, Top NRA member, Scary !!!

there are more of us then their are of you

Obviously...that is why it is having so many issues getting past. If there are so many of you, you better start riding your representatives asses because they are doing a pretty @!$%# job for you. Good luck!

Going to drink beer and watch BB for the rest of the day.

Peace!

Steve, did I hear you complain when George W. Bush and company suspended your Writ of Habeas Corpus rights? Why isn't your right to a speedy trial important to you? Matter of fact some of those things you mentioned came from the Bush administration, yes, Obama and Co. extended them. Once in the door, the foot is stuck, I am afraid. Another thing though, terrorist are not going away. They are still here also. It could be filed under desperate times deserve desperate measures. I don't like it either. But, I think his choices are limited.

@ Terry

Thats why "Hurry Harry" refused to bring the gun ban law to the table for a vote. Because those votes would show that both sides were voting no. Pretty simple philosphy to save face

No one needs military style weapons except for the police

According to the constitution this is why we need military style weapons. We need the ability to go toe to toe tyrants. I don't want to hear that we are no match for the military because not one service member I have talked to would ever take a shot at an american in america should @!$%# hit the fan.

George W. Bush and company suspended your Writ of Habeas Corpus rights

I did! and it was wrong then. History was able to teach me...apparently not this admin.

Simple Theory, that is the dumbest question I have heard all day. Police need them to deal with crowds, insurgents like you. Civilians with these weapons in a crowd. You said it yourself, take the guns away from honest folks only crooks like you will have guns.

You try to equate killing live children with aborting a fetus

One has to wonder about the thought process amongst the left.

They can envision millions of innocent people being gunned down will-nilly by an "assault weapon"; yet, they cannot envision a "fetus" growing inside a human becoming a human being. Very strange.

johntho

how many times have you seen the police open fire with assault weapons on a crowd? If a group of home invaders come to your house, what weapon would you rather have?

Simple: yet, they cannot envision a "fetus" growing inside a human becoming a human being

"Becoming". That is the point. A fetus is called a fetus because it is not yet a human being. It cannot exist on its own.

That is my definition. It may not be yours. But we are both entitled to our definitions. The law happens to agree with me.

Simple: If the general public does not have military style weapons, why would the police?

Just because you have a gun does not make you the police. Or law enforcement of any kind. If you think otherwise, you are an anarchist.

If you think so little of your government that you feel you need to arm yourself against them, if you have so little respect for law enforcement, you need to be in another country.

Johntho

Your answer to Simple Theory's question is essentially that the police need them to protect themselves against criminals, but the general population does not, am I right?

How do you justify that? The general population is more often the victim of a gun crime than a cop is. Is a cop's life more valuable than anyone else? As a government official, is a cop a member of some privileged class?

Sometimes I wish I could live forever. Little under a month ago I was pulling outta "Lowes" parking lot when I saw Him. Muscular blonde kid holding up a card board sign. "Lost job and home". "Will do any legal work for pay". Nobody much paying any attention to Him. I pulled alongside Him, stopped, and spoke to the suspected liar and probable drug addict. Turned out He was neither. His little wife and 2 little daughters were over in another lane, sitting, waiting in a car that a repo man was hunting. I listened to their tale of bad decisions and typical hardluck Americanism. He's 29. Wife's 26. The girls are 8 and 6. As I listened, I felt a new vigor, a freshness of life growing upon me. Aye Gwad, I had all the material things this little family needed, and they were all at present just taking up space doing nothing worth a damn, save aggravating the hell outta me most of the time. Turned out the kid's a good "Truck Driver". I've got a truck line. He just loaded His 1st load this am. I just got back in from checking Him out. He was grinning like a mule eating saw briars, and truthfully, my feet wouldn't hardly stay on the ground. Put 'em all 4 in an empty house of mine. My wife took His wife down and let Her pick out Her furnishings, including a computer for the oldest girl. I hated that gwaddamn costly empty house, but now, I like it. It's a home now. Made a deal with the Finance Company on their car, and paid it off. There's much to this story, all good, and If I appear to be tooting my own horn here, then I've made a mistake. I believe many would have done the same if they had the resources. My wife and I had the resources, just laying around like slugs, so we put 'em to good use. Practically speaking, this little family got a good deal, yet, from whatever it is that sometimes rejuvenates the core of Humanness, my wife and myself gained more than a 15 year vacation. I still hate religion, but my suspicions about God are today, a little less dubious.

fielden

I understand your point. I understand that the Court has declared abortion a right. The left's argument for seizing our right from us is what may happen. There may be more shootings using semi-automatic weapons that resemble military grade weaponry.

The "need" for abortion(mother's life at stake) is so miniscule as to be almost non-existent. Adoption would save 1 million lives a year.

There is no "need" to go thru the due process procedure for people such as James Holmes or Jerry Ridgeway. We know they're guilty and useless to society. A bullet would save us millions.

It is the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs.

fielden

If you think so little of your government that you feel you need to arm yourself against them, if you have so little respect for law enforcement, you need to be in another country.

Funny how liberals, with their long history of tyrannical accusations against our government, are all of a sudden dismissive and critical when similar concerns are shared by a citizen with a gun. Apparently, the only acceptable weapon in the fight against tyranny is a nail bomb in the hands of Bill Ayers.

Let's see how long it takes before Bush gets blamed for Obama's incompetence !

Bush is blamed for Bush's incompetence and there was plenty of that go go around. When Obama shows incompetence I will blame him. One thing, while we're at it, that Obama showed incompetence for, in his first term, is that he didn't use the "Bully Pulpit" enough. Now he is learning and should do a better job. Obama learns from his mistakes, his immediate predecessor didn't.

Mac Forrester

Thanks for sharing that. Made my day.

Dingle, are you equating yourself with Bill Ayers...?

Mac Forrester,

Absolutely incredibly beautiful. Thanks for putting this out for all to read. You did so much, so much. And you are enjoying it. Thank Heavens for folks yourself and your wife who care and see others equally. I will pass your story along to my family.

And a fantastic writer you are, too.

fielden

Dingle, are you equating yourself with Bill Ayers...?

No, just pointing out hypocrisy.

But anyway, after Mac's story I'm not feeling like being so damned cynical anymore. I'll take it back.

The pro-life crowd loves to spout the numbers of babies killed per year, per month, per day. Can you provide the numbers prior to Roe v Wade? Do you know how many abortions were done per year, per month, per day before it was brought out of the 'backroom'? How many of those 'backroom' abortions also cost the life of the mother, or caused so much damage she would never be able to become pregnant again?

How many millions would have been added to welfare and food stamps? How many more children in foster care yearning for adoption?

Would you want every miscarriage to be investigated as negligent homocide? If she drank too much or was generally not carefull enough about nutrition, or slipped and fell on an icy sidewalk when she should have stayed indoors, or if she maintained her exercise program and was still jogging at month 4 - should there be a grand jury to decide if a trial is necessary?

I choose the mother over the fetus. I choose not to burden society with yet another mouth to feed that conservatives want to forget about after birth. I choose not to strain the foster care system with abandoned children that the mothers cannot take care of because they can't take care of themselves.

But that's just me.

MacForrester - YOU sir are a wonderful person. And, yes I'm sure you and your wife got more out of your giving than the family. But, rest assured, no one in that family will ever forget your kindness and your ability to look past first impressions. Give yourself and your wonderful wife hugs from me. You are an inspiration.

Too bad too few people see what you did as what we should all strive to do. Helping others doesn't make them weaker- makes you stronger!

Have a wonderful weekend! It is well deserved.

Guns, immigration set to take center stage next month

What a fu_ked up government we have! Listen you jerks, we have real issues that require immediate attention and funds:

Veteran claims!!!!!

We hundreds of thousands of veteran claims that are bungled up in this a..hole administration and we concern ourselves with gun stuff, illegal aliens and demanding queers??!! What is the matter with America? We have an obligation to our veterans for the service they provided. Take care of that before anything else you morons in Washington.

What I see is a group of cowards, got to have a gun with the capacity to kill 20 babies and 6 adults in order to, as one so aptly put it. "a group of home invaders" Wow. You are 22 times more likely to shoot yourself or someone you know then to be the victim of a violent crime and somebody is worried about a group of home invaders. Another is looking of tyrants. Here is something for you to ponder, you are the tyrant that needs to be opposed. Those guns serve one purpose and one purpose only, they kill as many humans as possible in as fast a time as possible, and that is their only practical use. They need to be removed from our streets.

Cowards, if you need a gun to protect yourself from a what if, then you need to seek some professional help for your problem.

If you think so little of your government that you feel you need to arm yourself against them

Who educated indoctrinated you?

The founding fathers of our nation thought so little of government that they made sure to include in our Constitution in a portion they dubbed the "Bill of Rights" the inalienable right to keep and bear arms.

And, contrary to popular leftist belief, it ain't there for hunting purposes.

Why do republicans always forget the fact that owning a gun makes you 22 times more likely to die yourself by sucide or kill another family member before you would use the gun for self defense.

For the weak minded that means that of 23 gun deaths only one death would be caused for self defense.

I am beginning to think republicans are the biggest cowards that shiver and hide behind their guns.

The brave ones are Gandhi or Martin Luther King who stood with non-violence and the rights of the people.

I mean, really, we can't even have trials for terrorist in the United States and close GITMO because the republicans are such weak-kneed cowards as they play the fear monger card daily on their gullible base.

You hold up the Second Amendment as giving you the right to bear arms. Yet, in your zeal to defend your rights, you deny the First Amendment rights of the rest of us. We have the right to freedom of speech and expression. You think your definition of everything is the right one and the only one. Not true.

How am I denying anyone their Right to free speech.? Didn't you just comment and respond to my comments?

In fact I asked for comments. I asked for anyone to resolve that Moral conflict. And no one can do it.

I'm simply pointing out the Hypocrisy of the Left.

Using the death of 20 children to push their gun control agenda, claiming they care so much about life, calling anyone who doesn't support their gun control agenda morally corrupt, while supporting and defending a procedure that results in over 100,000 children a month in the U.S. being aborted, isn't that Hypocrisy at the highest level you could possibly achieve?

Lil Michelle

"Maybe we should ban guns in the military:

usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/22/17409264-us-marine-kills-two-colleagues-at-quantico-base?lite

What do you think, gun haters?"

I think that would be like trying to ban stupid from the interwebs...

chick - trying to have an intelligent communication with Lil Michelle is futile. She has nothing of value to say - just loves throwing out stupid one-liners. Not worth your time and she's definitely not capable of any rational thought.

David Noah

Your rational argument is to blame Republicans, and claim the unborn child would have a bad life if they are born, to justify killing over 100,000 unborn children a month.

I'm not claiming that the unborn would have a bad or good life if born - I don't know whether they would or not. I know nothing about the women who go through it and for what reason. And I will not speculate because it's their reason, their choice and it's between her and their God if they have one.

I do claim, however, that the Republicans care about the unborn and have a history of policies that negatively affect children, such as cuts to food stamps/welfare, education, and many other social programs like access to healthcare.

So all I am saying is that before you play the "abortion" card, make sure that the Republican party has a healthy scorecard when it comes to the children that have been born already.

Cowards, if you need a gun to protect yourself from a what if, then you need to seek some professional help for your problem.

That's about as deep as a mud puddle in Texas in July.

The left's whole argument for wanting to strip away our right is based on "what if".

Mac Forrester,

I wish we had more people like you. Thank you for sharing your story with us, it made my day.

Morgs, #1.74, Can I have one to, Miller Lite punch top can only !!!

So all I am saying is that before you play the "abortion" card, make sure that the Republican party has a healthy scorecard when it comes to the children that have been born already.

When you stop playing the "20 children killed by a mass murderer" card, in the last 13 years, to push your far left gun control agenda, I'll stop playing the "55 Million children killed by abortion in the last 40 years and the left believes that is perfectly acceptable and moral" card.

Please not that I used the term "card" because Baylii used it first and to me life is precious and isn't just some "card" to be thrown in a discussion.

I almost didn't write the story thinking it would look like I was an immodest blowhard. I finally chose to chance it though, out of respect for all the passionate 1st read posters. When I say all of you, I mean all of you, including those with whom I often disagree. You're all good, responsible people. I can tell as I read your posts. Nothing great or good about me that sets me apart from any of you or anyone else. I salute you all. Best regards, Mac

[High-speed, long range, and small enough to keep the pelt in tact.]

Real dire need for them thar varmint pelts on the streets of San Diego, unless you talkin' black marketing those babies...

Mac.....Bless you heart. What a beautiful heartwarming story of helping our fellow man. May you be blessed a thousand times and more and I hope anyone else reading this account, if they can, to do likewise in whatever way possible.

Happy Easter to you and yours!

[If a group of home invaders come to your house, what weapon would you rather have?]

Sounds like a "what if" to me...

SimpleMinded, you're not telling us you're a hypocrite, are you? Of course you're not...

Seeking said:

chick - trying to have an intelligent communication with Lil Michelle is futile. She has nothing of value to say - just loves throwing out stupid one-liners. Not worth your time and she's definitely not capable of any rational thought.

Ha! I think you have a case of mistaken identity. How many times have you voted up Feisty's juvenile comments?

Such humanity Mac!

There are no better gifts you can give another human being

than to show kindness and care.

Truly heartwarming and I thank you for sharing that.

May that family prosper with your help and guidance.

Best to all, my friend.

Mac, thank you so much for sharing a bit of your real life with us. You and your family are a blessing to that little family and as such, you too will be blessed. Karma is great when it comes back to you in a positive form!

Take care and enjoy the weekend.

David Noah

When you stop playing the "20 children killed by a mass murderer" card, in the last 13 years, to push your far left gun control agenda, I'll stop playing the "55 Million children killed by abortion in the last 40 years and the left believes that is perfectly acceptable and moral" card.

tell me, how many children born to abusive homes or born out of incest have you fostered? Adopted? Spent any time with? Fought for increased funding to take care of them? Gave a crap about?

Does it help you sleep at night to be pro-birth because, unless you did ANYTHING to help to take care of these kids, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE. None of you are because life does not end the minute that child is born...it's for the next 18-years.

David Noah, Before abortion comes conception, have you made any efforts to encourage your party to work with Planned Parenthood and any social agency to make possible a better availability of birth control for those unable to have access to this commodity? Because I don't see any efforts by them to help those who find themselves in need of some kind of help and encouragement.

In addition, if you have objections to medical contraceptives, have you encouraged your party to assist our poor citizens to provide more services to aid families who chose to have children. I see that the GOP budget and actions in Congress is to severely cut aid to underprivileged families is now proposing even further cuts.

Abortions hurt many sensibilities, some reasons are medical and in the cases of rape are very necessary however, with the availability of contraceptives there shouldn't be much need for abortions as a birth control and statistics are showing the numbers of procedures have decreased perhaps your party can help to continue to decrease these falling statistics.

@ Mac

Good on you. The world needs more folks like you. I have a good friend in the motocross industry who does everything he can to get people involved in the sport. He's bought motorcycles, gear, helmuts for many a kid here in Idaho. A great way to touch someones life is to get in touch with your own.

Well Mac, I'm mighty pleased to see a gray bar across the top of your post. I'm even more glad you were able to get that family through a very rough patch. Unfortunately, I think this is one of those places where Republicans have a narrative going that's got a pretty hefty grain of truth to it.

There's a lot of people who have that story - Oh how they want to work, but they just can't see their way clear to do the work you offer. There's quite a few jobs out here that go begging. Of course, that's because some of those jobs actually require work. Not sitting behind a desk pushing paper jobs. Nope, real jobs where you work up a sweat, back hurts at the end of the day, got a bump and a bruise or two. You know the drill, if you're in trucking.

When I closed my business, I was up to my frustrated neck with "employees" who didn't want to work. I was covered by more regulations than you could shake a stick at. Not that big a problem. The tax rate never entered into the equation. The more tax you pay, the more you're taking home. Not that big a problem.

Nope, we really have a problem with people who are just too damned good to work. That's not to say there's some folks who will work. There are. They're called "illegals" in a lot of places. Another one of those sad realities.

That's just another reason why it's such a damned shame Republicans and Democrats won't work on these problems together. This is one of those places where both of 'em have some facts that need reconciling.

Thanks for helping those kids. Lot of folks can use a hand now and again. Glad you were there.

Mickey (aka skidmark)

Not I. I'm not the one who is arguing to strip our rights from us using fantasies, that would be the members of the left. I want johntho to have the means to protect himself, his family, and his property. Or her.

Mac, good for you! And thank you! if we all could behave as you did, the world would be a far better place.

David: I asked for comments. I asked for anyone to resolve that Moral conflict. And no one can do it.

Lot's of us have given our views and our ways of resolving the moral conflict for ourselves, David.

It's just that you don't agree with anyone else's opinion.

Dennis,

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

Michelle,

[Sub 50 percent think he is doing a good job.]

But he is on par with nearly every other President in their 5^th year.

Good enough for government work, is that where we're at now?

Bayllie,

bayllie

David Noah

When you stop playing the "20 children killed by a mass murderer" card, in the last 13 years, to push your far left gun control agenda, I'll stop playing the "55 Million children killed by abortion in the last 40 years and the left believes that is perfectly acceptable and moral" card.

tell me, how many children born to abusive homes or born out of incest have you fostered? Adopted? Spent any time with? Fought for increased funding to take care of them? Gave a crap about?

Does it help you sleep at night to be pro-birth because, unless you did ANYTHING to help to take care of these kids, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE. None of you are because life does not end the minute that child is born...it's for the next 18-years.

I guess I see your point now. Much better to be killed early than to take a chance that things may not work out for you.

I'm a little lost on the point where you think life ends. Is it the minute a child is born or when they turn 18? You did clear up one thing, however. I can tell you aren't pro-life. Pro-death.....probably.

KC,

It is NOT about government work or performance it is ONLY about how people perceive how the President is doing … where nearly half of the people will be against anything any president does or doesn’t do.

Mac, You old softie !!!! Two thumbs up and then some !!! We have "crossed" words many times, but yes, that is indeed worth sharing. Have a really damn good weekend (I threw the "damn" in there just to make sure you don't misunderstand me !)

But I do expect your usual flamethrowing remarks again next week !

@David Walker: That gray bar across the top of your posts pleases me as well. Additionally, I totally agree with the points of your post #1.115. We must have governance directed toward work, self sufficiency, self reliance, and self respect. Both parties should note; when we lose these we lose our way of life. I very much agree with you about the "so called" illegals as well. The back breaking work sector of this country is screwed without them. Best regards, David

Best regards to all the great "progressives" who post here. I admire all of you so very much. I have to give a big shout out to the indestructible "Dont_Carry_it_all" and "Feisty". It's protocol!

@Jim-1455434#1.122: I appreciate that "damn". I really enjoy "Hell and damnation" but kinda hold 'em sacred since they were a pair of my Fathers favorites. Like so many posters with whom I often take umbarge, I believe you, as well as I, wish only the best for this nation and It's people. I respect you Jim. Best regards

KCBones

I guess I see your point now. Much better to be killed early than to take a chance that things may not work out for you.

Never said that, did I, so please don't put words in my mouth. I am simply asking what people like Noah or the Republicans have done for the children living in poverty and/or abusive homes.

I have no control nor do I want to have control over other women's bodies. In a perfect world, there would be no abortions and no hungry children. But that's not the case, is it? So I will ask again, what do people like Noah do for the kids already born to this world but not fortunate enough to live in non-abusive and/or poverty stricken homes?

Preaching to others about the evil of abortion is hypocritical if you don't contribute to the babies' (already born) well being.

I'm a little lost on the point where you think life ends. Is it the minute a child is born or when they turn 18?

read again, and then again, and then again until you understand the sentence, I'm saying that the Republican concern for the unborn ends the minute they are born - just look at their policies.

Hi Mac!

Sure am glad I stopped by or I would of missed your post!

How I ♥ to read about good people like you & your wife, paying it forward!

Thank you so much for sharing, I will be smiling all weekend!

[I'm not the one who is arguing to strip our rights from us using fantasies...]

Yeah, uh huh...sure. I seem to have struck the "hypocrite" nerve...

You play a poor game of dodge ball, btw.

[I want johntho to have the means to protect himself, his family, and his property. Or her.]

Gotta call bull@!$%# on that one, SimpleMinded...you could care less about anyone else but yourself, hence your "stance" on gun control.

David Noah, Before abortion comes conception, have you made any efforts to encourage your party to work with Planned Parenthood and any social agency to make possible a better availability of birth control for those unable to have access to this commodity?

I'm an Independent so there's your first mistake, assuming I belong to a Political party, and that I’m stuck defending one party’s dogma. I did for a very long time register as a partisan voter, until four years ago, I was always a Registered Democrat and voted along party lines.

While many here claim they answered the moral dilemma, and resolved it for themselves, they only resolved their ability to support Abortion and why they support it, and did not address the actual themes of my post, the moral decay of society, its moral compass, and the lefts hypocrisy.

Part of the argument over gun control is mental health, after all every mass shooter has had deep mental health issues, Nisan, Loughner, Holmes, Lanza, and calls have been made for more money for mental health, fix the mental health system, etc.

But what about the mixed messages society itself is sending about morality and what is right and wrong? Isn’t that really the root cause?

Murder is morally wrong and against the law, life is valuable and it’s wrong for you to end someone else’s life. Isn’t that what we are expected to teach our children, isn’t that how we are expected to treat others, and how we want them to treat us, isn’t that what we expect in society, to respect life?

But if the baby hasn’t been born its ok to kill it, its not life, it has no value, it’s a fetus, an embryo a zygote, therefore its perfectly acceptable to kill it, it’s not morally wrong, and its legally protected.

You can’t understand why someone with violent tendencies, impulse control, and deep mental health issues would be confused about the mix messages about right and wrong when it concerns murder?

Then there is the Lefts Hypocrisy.

“If it saves just one life its worth it” –V.P. Joe Biden

“Children are our most valuable asset.” President Barrack H. Obama

Unless of course the child hasn’t come out of the mother’s womb, hasn’t been “born” yet, then it has no value.

We have to pass gun control laws now, it would be morally wrong not to do so, any one who stands in our way is morally corrupt and doesn’t care about life, do it for the children.

But if you are against abortion, trying to speak for those that can’t speak for themselves, doing it for the unborn children, what happens? War on Woman, your trying to deny woman their rights, you don’t care about woman, no one will take care of those unborn children, they will be poor and have a miserable life, Republicans are just trying to dictate what woman can and can’t do with their bodies, their trying to take away woman’s freedom of choice, etc.

If it’s worth it to pass gun control, even if it saves just one life, what’s it worth to take a serious look at abortion and end its rampant abuse?

Its o.k if you’re not being responsible, having unprotected sex, are to young and aren’t responsible enough to have kids(though you think you are old enough to have sex), didn’t think about whether you could afford to have a child before you had sex, there’s always a way out of being accountable, you can just get an abortion.

P.S. a condom is what $1.50? If you can't afford $1,50 for a condom what makes you think you should be having sex?

Mac -- Have a most wonderful and relaxing weekend my friend!

David Noah...............the biggest fraud of them all. You are nothing but a moralizing hypocrite.

The biggest cop out of all, you claim you are an Independent, yet you stand like the preacher on a corner, telling everyone else they are morally bankrupt because they don't agree with you and you in turn when challenged on what you will do about it get on your high horse and call all on the left hypocrites.

Frankly I don't much care how you identify your political persuasion, you are still pushing agendas identified with the right and in their usual moralistic way say anyone can afford $1.50 for a condom, no, not everyone can, birth control pills are a better option and cheaper too. You obviously have little or no compassion for those unfortunate to be poor, you should try and find some within your holier than thou preaching and then when you find some, mind your own business regarding women and the choices they make with their lives. Respect life....means respect all and again to mind your own business.

I don't care if people agree with me or not. I'm simply pointing out the Lefts own stances don't jibe and are hypocritical. If you don't agree with my opinion that's your choice and obviously many don't.

If all I cared about was the vote count on my comments, wanting to be accepted by the herd, wanted to be popular, was afraid to be attacked and ridiculed for having an unpopular opinion, I would simply come in here and spew the same left wing, feel good, popular talking points.

I like it when I get attacked for my opinions, especially when those attacks are simply ridicule and name calling and have no substance to dispute what I have written.

If you think you can intimidate me, embarrass me, shame me into silence etc. because I wont complacently comply with your World View you are quite mistaken. It spurs me on even more.

The fact that I am getting attacked so vehemently by the left means I have struck a nerve. I have challenged your perceptions and made you think. You don’t like being challenged or having your ideology challenged, too bad.

"When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an "agitator" they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function-to agitate to the point of conflict." (Rules for Radical, Saul Alinsky, pg.117)

David Noah

But if you are against abortion,

I'm going to say this one more time: according to the US Supreme Court, having the right to CHOICE is legal. Whatever that choice might be, is up to the woman.

there is nothing you can do about this as an individual. The woman gets pregnant and goes through pregnancy 100% of the time and 100% of the time it is her choice. PERIOD.

Its o.k if you’re not being responsible, having unprotected sex, are to young and aren’t responsible enough to have kid

some of them are not but it will happen; it has for centuries, and you cannot change that. So why not support policies that provide easy access to birth control????

a condom is what $1.50? If you can't afford $1,50 for a condom what makes you think you should be having sex?

do you live in a parallel universe? You are telling me that every guy, regardless of economic status or age, wraps it up 100% of the time? If you do, you are very naive.

The moral of this story is that you have no control over woman's right to chose - it's legal. THE CHOICE IS LEGAL. But before you and the Republicans try to take that choice away, you should prove to the society that your policies will take care of the kids born. Yet you fail over and over and over. You cannot tell someone what to do but give no @!$%# about them once that kid is born. You refuse to see it or admit to it.The Republicans have no credibility when it comes to social programs, so they have no right to tell other people what their choice should be . PERIOD. Accept it.

And by the way David Noah, here is a secret: being pro-choice does not equal to being pro-abortion and here is why. I will never be in that woman's shoes, and I will never be there to help her and take care of her, and therefore I have no choice to tell her what to do or what not to do.

But if you are against abortion, trying to speak for those that can’t speak for themselves,

jeezus, how about speaking for those who are among us already but are too little to speak for themselves. Are this dense or this ignorant???

16,000,000 children a day are in danger of being hungry.

Again, what do Republicans do: welfare and food stamps are evil so we must cut, cut, cut.

It does not matter if you are Independent, David Noah, you just like them keep ignoring the fact that we in this great country, children go hungry.

It's a shame, and we should all be embarrassed. And I am embarrassed. And until you start taking into your home children who been molested/raped/beaten by their daddies or mommies, or burnt or "just" starved every day, you have no right to speak about other people's choices. Do you understand that?

Stop hiding behind what might be or should be and start dealing with what is.

Wouldn't it be great if the spineless, power-hungry, politicians of the United States protected it's citizens like leaders of other nations do for their citizens?

Britain's PM Cameron unveils sweeping immigration crackdown

"Prime Minister David Cameron will unveil a sweeping immigration crackdown on Monday aimed at discouraging migrants from Romania and Bulgaria from moving to Britain when EU restrictions on their right to travel and work there expire next year..."

http://news.yahoo.com/britains-pm-cameron-unveils-sweeping-immigration-crackdown-000622631.html

Independent Redneck, Va

The argument that we don’t need expanded background checks because “criminals don’t respect the law,” i.e., they won’t submit themselves to a background check, is a common one among the “gun rights” crowd. But this argument is self-refuting. It is actually an argument for expanding background checks, not against it

Hope you are feeling better this Friday.

Salud

David My G.I counterpart to Longfellow goes like this " If you don't have time to do it right the first time don't worry about getting it right the second time because it's probably already killed you"

IR - Excellent article. Let's close the loopholes!

Tomas -- Thanks for the chuckles today in your first post. Sorry to hear your team lost.

Happy Friday all!

Greg Sargent's analysis is correct. No laws or regulations ever eliminate the possibility of tragedy; the idea is to reduce the possibility of a tragedy happening. The argument that criminals will always be able to get guns is a nonsensical, lame excuse for doing nothing. The idea of closing the gun-show loopholes makes it harder for criminals. The idea of banning military assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips and drums is to keep a determined killer from becoming a mass-killing machine.

Boehner, like so many republicans on this issue and others, find themselves boxed in by what they are supposed to say and believe, boxed in by their party's platform when it is counter to their own principles and moral compass as well as counter to what a large majority of Americans want.

Gremlins and Bubblegum again but at least I could edit out the double post! Happy Friday.

That was GREAT, Neck! Tomas, carrying that argument to a logical extreme, let's get rid of red lights and stop signs. What the hell, scofflaws won't pay any attention to them, anyway!! Stay thirsty, my friends!!

IR, thanks and great post.

Taking weapons of war off our streets is a critically important (and doable) step for America's future.

The vast majority of Americans are willing to do what it takes to save lives. Every life is a precious, irreplaceable gift to us all.

Since Newtown in December - over 2,880 people have died from gunfire.

What kind of person doesn't want to make things right? What kind of person delights in others misery?

Banning assault military style weapons and large capacity gun clips probably wont eliminate excessive gun violence, we sadly seem to lack the capacity to understand that even one life saved is something we should all strive for but we have to contain the ability to purchase such awful instruments of death, that should be a shared responsibility and desire for all. Everyone has the right to be safe when they visit a mall, when they attend a place of learning, when they are entertained in any venue.....this should not be a maybe type of circumstances, it is everyone's right to have that feeling of security without the need for guns, otherwise we are devolving into a very uncivilized nation.

“We’ve got plenty of laws on the books. Let’s go and enforce them before we just load up more laws on law-abiding citizens. Criminals don’t respect the law.”

It's scary that someone who could say something that stupid has a death grip on the ability of the US government to function.

we sadly seem to lack the capacity to understand that even one life saved is something we should all strive for

Unless that life is one of the 3,500 sucked into sinks everyday, right?

Thank You, IR. I always enjoy your post! The GOOD Guys are going to win this fight, and we as a Nation will get the guns out of the hands of people that should not have them.

Also, a post by:

haggisbingo-2225582

"NRA stands for Next Rifle Assault (assault rifle that is)"

Women don't need to get abortions for their health or because they were raped anymore, they just need to get a gun and kill the baby after it is born and then the NRA and the republicans will have your back.

The NRA and the republicans are not against killing babies, just as long as you do it after the child is born.

The republicans Ryan budget are for starving babies after they are born, the republicans are much more concerned that we give the rich more tax cuts.

Get your assault weapons now and join the joke of the right to life republican party. The NRA thinks their right to shoot and kill you trumps your right to life.

Steven B

Unless that life is one of the 3,500 sucked into sinks everyday, right?

get back to me when the Republican party starts caring about kids AFTER they are born.

get back to me when the Republican party starts caring about kids AFTER they are born.

That's your justification for murder?

Nice set of values you got there...blaming the GOP for your personal indiscretions and failures...

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The NRA and the republicans liberals are not against killing babies, just as long as you do it after before the child is born.

• Liberals: Fighting to protect the lives of murderers, child molesters and rapists, while dismissively butchering 3,500 babies every day.
• How liberals can claim to 'care about human life' and be so tragically cruel defies logic.

we sadly seem to lack the capacity to understand that even one life saved is something we should all strive for

see post #1.56

The definition of killing someone after they are born is not in question. Shooting someone is murder. It is NOT legal. Murder, and safety from murder, are public matters.

The definition of aborting a fetus and the classification of that act is very much in debate. Different people have different definitions. Abortion is, in the eyes of the law, not murder. It IS legal. Additionally, it is a private matter.

If you have a problem with these definitions or with these laws, that is your problem. Do not presume to legislate the rights of others based on your own narrow beliefs.

@ David & Jody

How did Boehner have anything to do with "Hurry Harry" pulling the assault weapons ban bill from a vote? I must of missed that news on NBC, ABC, CBS, or Fox news. BTW what is Fox news? I've never seen it, and when is it on. I don't have cable, is it on cable?

Steven B - what's YOUR justification for murder of actual human beings - not fetuses? Oh, that's right - you don't give a damn. Your argument isn't about a life - it's about control - nothing more.

Get back to us when you develop a conscience - yeah, like that's ever going to happen!

You and the others who love your guns more than children are to be pitied. You have no souls and no conscience - just an abnormal desire to see people die at the hands of idiots wielding guns they shouldn't own anyway.

And, before you go on your idiotic rant - I have no problem with licensed, trained individuals having a

Has anyone seen the background check bill that Harry was introducing last night? Where is it?

Your argument isn't about a life - it's about control - nothing more.

That's exactly how I feel about the foolish people who think that passing ignorant feel-good laws that do nothing to prevent the loss of life.

You whine and shriek about 15,000 people killed in firearm homicide.

Meanwhile,

75,000 people die from alcohol. It's the third leading cause of mortality in the US.

33,000 people die in preventable car crashes.

There were 1.3 MILLION car crashes last year that involved cell phones.

And there are 1,277,500 abortions every year.

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BUT,

You drink. You drive, you like your cell phone.

You don't like guns.

So, off you rant, foaming at the mouth over an inanimate object you don't personally want to be involved with.

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That is YOUR agenda, sir.

If you have a problem with these definitions or with these laws, that is your problem. Do not presume to legislate the rights of others based on your own narrow beliefs.

I feel the exact same way about the Second Amendment and MY right to keep and bear arms.

Thank you for articulating that so well for me!

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Get back to us when you develop a conscience -

That's what I say to anyone who whimsically decides on abortion as a form of post-coital birth control.

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Meanwhile the republicans are voting against birth control by closing clinics.

Planned parenthood prevents abortions by providing birth control.

I was pregnant once and had one child due to using effective birth control that the republicans are working hard to take away from women.

But just today someone was whining about people needing food stamps and now you are whining about wanting more of the food needing babies being born.

If you are going to play the righteous card forcing these children to be born. How do you feel righteous abandoning them to starve or be doomed into poverty without an education after they are born?

The way things are going the children you want to force to be born will be nothing more than prison fodder to make their privatized prisons make money. Without food and education you doom these children to a life of misery. But I forget this is about you not them.

I see this thread is filled with the usual amount of very stupid gullible people, many invoking "the children" to passionately call for an assault weapons ban.

Be warned dullards, your anti gun agenda is exposed. Any that would obsess over a type of gun that has been employed in a barley miniscule number of killings while completely ignoring the guns that are used in more than 99% of killings exposes you either as irrational imbeciles or as abetting a completely different agenda. Only you know to which category you belong.

Yet another country with common sense:

Britain's PM Cameron unveils sweeping immigration crackdown

"Prime Minister David Cameron will unveil a sweeping immigration crackdown on Monday aimed at discouraging migrants from Romania and Bulgaria from moving to Britain when EU restrictions on their right to travel and work there expire next year..."

http://news.yahoo.com/britains-pm-cameron-unveils-sweeping-immigration-crackdown-000622631.html

David Walker - 4

RW Freaks - 0

Salud

David Wanker: You seem to be particularly angry on this fine Friday morning.

Relax.

Life is good.

Enjoy.

(or, if you are a lefty liberal, at least try to be less miserable)

BTW, guess what's on today's lunch menu.

David: Two from NJ. It is the water!

Jody: Your post is always a reason to stop by. Thanks.

So David, you have to spend your first rant on dissing people who have taken you to task. May I ask you, what the hell does your self important rant have to do with the article?

David, I'm with you on the RWNJs - I just choose to put them on ignore because it's too tempting to argue with idiots to no avail. However I do take exception to the NJ slam - a couple of nutjobs shouldn't taint all of us!

Talk to the Hand writes:

"May I ask you, what the hell does your self important rant have to do with the article?"

Yes, you may ask.

He was dissing you tea peoples lies Hand. But to you tea people, never let a good lie go to waste, truth be damned.

LOL David! Good one!

David, fine way to end Friday. Seems to have provoked even more right-wing puffing and fluffing of feathers.

What do you call a 1000 tea people at the bottom of the ocean?

A Good Start!!!!

Fact Friday? Not this time. I'm just going to call out liars for what they are

Good morning David,

GREAT!!!

Dave,

Have a fab weekend.

Exito, you're welcome; glad you enjoy the weekly wrap.

@ David

Why would I re-register? Where were you when I explained my reason for doing so? I know, you were into one of your peyote trips trying to find balance in your life. Very good

David, I'm with you on the RWNJs - I just choose to put them on ignore because it's too tempting to argue with idiots to no avail. However I do take exception to the NJ slam - a couple of nutjobs shouldn't taint all of us!

And yet you libs are willing to let a couple of nutjobs taint all owners of firearms. Can't have it both ways!

Also David I don't do mythology, simply because of the first four letters. But, thats ok if your into that. lol

Oh Lawd.....the ignorance displayed here in defense of the indefensible.

Great work there David.....you summed it up beautifully....you can tell it is lost on the ones who deride your observations.

Welcome VP Bob!

At least Marx would beat you, Bob (A - VA).

Given the moonbat-heavy audience who follow the perilously liberal First Read,

Says the moonbat, who follows on the perilously liberal First Read!

By "VP", you mean "Vice President", of course...thanks.

Couldnt imagine you mean anything else...you are above the guttersniping and filth that other basement dwellers here indulge in.

Phil Gramm gave us the repeal of Glass Stegall which was legislation written by the very groups who would profit from it at America's expense; even sold the idea to President Clinton. Gramm was the "economic advisor" to GOP Presidential nominee, John McCain--as the global economy collapsed from Gramm's efforts to make risk the primary goal of financial institutions. That's a couple reasons why Lloyd won. Read up on Lloyd Bentson, you'll be surprised to find out what a great senator he was.

BTW, VP Bob, maybe your side was just too lazy to vote because they were too busy posting one-line wonders.

Nice try, Bobber, but you know the VP refers to your high hopes for Bob McDonnell, the mandatory, unnecessary, expensive, invasive, medical (VP) probe governor who will never succeed in running for president because of that one signature of approval!

By "VP", you mean "Vice President", of course...thanks.

Of course Bob, "Vice President" Have a good weekend!!!

Bob in Virginia-7570413

"...the guttersniping and filth that other basement dwellers here indulge in."

Oh, but calling people moonbats is OK. You can deal it out, but you can't take it. You're dismissed!!

- abusus unum? But what does the rest of it mean to u?

So true, MO. You could also put your finger in their backs at which time, they will lose control of their bodily functions and beg for mercy.

Damyou just admitted to being paranoid. He's still protecting himself from that buggy man under his bed.

Keep you day job if you have one Damyou. Your fantasy stories suck. If you tea people are going to make up stories at least make them believable.

Your fantasy stories suck

Harry's imagination is in overdrive this morning, Mo!

At least he has moved on from regaling us with his tales of being bombarded with blood & urine filled balloons when returning from Viet Nam...

Only problemf or Harry was, he was still in HIGH SCHOOL when the war ended! LMFAO!

@ Jody

Walk up behind a Marine and do that. You won't need to worry about a gun in return, as you're likely to be dead before you can holster your finger. My son doesn't need a gun to take care of your stupidity in attempting that

Let the paranoid gun owners rants begin

With the current government we have in place, I have a damn good reason to be paranoid.

Current strategy to "win" an argument in these threads:

1)Declare opposing side will react according to their values before they do and give generalized insults.

2)?????????????

3)PROFIT!

Source:

http://icasualties.org/

As a middle class US citizen...

I'd prefer to be under Republican party leadership fiscally.

and Democratic party leadership socially (gay marriage, abortion etc).

It's a shame there is so much polarization.

Air traffic controllers and other government workers must have less of a predisposition to vote Democratic.

Is this the lie you are hearing over at faux?

One truth the republicans don't want you to know is that by allowing the damaging sequester just to protect the rich and their tax loop-holes will make people think twice before they vote for another republican for anything.

Just why would the republicans be fighting to protect the loop-hole that reimburse large corporations for the cost of moving our jobs overseas? Sounds like traitors to jobs and the American people to me.

Interesting we have no money per Ryan to feed the people hurt by the recession, but we have plenty of money to give tax cuts to the rich who caused the recession.

Were you ok with Reagan disbanding PATCO?

Da Noid: Tear jerker.

It's going to take unforeseen major world disaster for that to happen, and may even make things worse. Great video, and hope this can happen, but I'm a realist, and what I see today seems like many generations away

You must start somewhere.

Rick Santorum is just a kook. He has no reality to be detached from. Donations from rich reality challenged donors is the only way he knows how to make a living without having to work.

Unfortunately, it took my native Pennsylvania 16 years to figure that out.

The Israeli people are too smart to actually trust Obama. Actions speak louder than words and Obama's actions point to him being a closet Muslim. They may smile at his rhetoric, but they pay attention to his actions ... like giving assault aircraft and lots of financial support to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

The Obama speech in Israel made me proud that he is our President.

Jim, would you care to explain the standing "o" Obama got yesterday?

Jim's still living in the birth-er universe. You know where most of the tea people live.

The Israeli people are too smart to actually trust Obama. Actions speak louder than words and Obama's actions point to him being a closet Muslim. They may smile at his rhetoric, but they pay attention to his actions ... like giving assault aircraft and lots of financial support to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

If Prime Minister Netanyahu believes that he can find a better partner than the United States and President Obama when it comes to ensuring the safety and security of Israel in a peaceful Middle East then, by all means, I suggest he roll the dice and take his chances.

Actions speak louder than words and Obama's actions point to him being a closet Muslim.

Why would you think our President is a closet Muslim? Is it because there are people that think if they say it enough will make it so? The President says he is a christian. However, if he was a Muslim, I would not care.

Oh Feistey I so agree with you, the speech he gave made this piggy spew her slop! Total embarrassment!

Yes, Obama gives great speeches ... then reality comes in to remind you it is ALL TALK and that talk is cheap ! Obama can fool people some of the time, and people who beleive his rhetoric all of the time are merely FOOLS !

Judge how he treated Netanyahu in the U.S. the last time ... his campaign was more important !

Judge his support of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt ... Obama could have said "NO" to giving them warplanes !

Judge how he dealt with the Benghazi murders ... will the truth ever be known, or hidden forever for political purposes ?

'Paranoia strikes deep, into your hearts it will creep'...

PS, the election is over...you can stop lying now, it won't make any difference...

Owning and using a gun should be like owning and driving a car. Regulate training, register and license. Had these steps been in place 25 to 50 years ago, we most likely wouldn’t be having this debate. So, let’s start now, and we can end this madness someday!!!

You are so right Job 1, and as soon as we liberals get the Constitution amended to make driving a right and not a privilege we can then bring that up for debate! Forward, Oink!

And we should require training and registering to be a parent as well. Some people simply should be allowed to reproduce.

and as soon as we liberals get the Constitution amended to make driving a right and not a privilege we can then bring that up for debate

+1

Gee, chuckzul, Pigitry, and Blackhead, you guys seem so short on common sense. Have you been listening to Rush and the NRA again? Give it up, you will never learn anything as long as you limit yourself to lies.

Straw man.

Right. By the way, it's "Roe", not "Row".

These are your rational arguments? This is the Lefts superior intelect?

The only way the Left can respond is with attakcs and ridicule because they can't explain their Hypocrisy.

What could possibly be rational about a discussion of murder by gunmen and abortions. You may as well build an argument comparing gun control to chemotherapy - the former used to stop death by guns, the later to stop death by cancer. The arguments simply have no moral comparison.

We lefties do not care about unborn children, children killed by cars that are designed to exceed the speed limit, swimming pools, poisoning or any other way except by guns! We do not care that Dear Leader and his disciples children are protected by guns, that is not for the common folk! WE do not care about gang violence in Dear Leaders hometown or anywhere else, we want your guns Mr. and Mrs. America and we will get them while we continue to murder unborn children by the thousands. Forward, Oink!

David Noah,

Since you are such a great morally superior human being, please tell us how many unwanted children you have adopted.

Noah, it's called PRO-CHOICE!! Distasteful as abortion is (and I'm not a fan), it's a choice. What "choice" did the children and parents have at Newtown?

Once again, to the woodshed on your spelling. "Intellect" has two "l's" I just love it when some damn fool derides someone's intelligence and their screed is mispelled! How are we supposed to take clowns like you seriously? "Straw man" was too good for you!

How many times are you going to cut/paste? I answered you the first time you posted it. Go back and look for it.

What "choice" did the children and parents have at Newtown?

What choice does an unborn child have?

I do apreciate all your avoidence of the real issue with my opinion.

I'm still waiting to hear your rational argument, of why any one should believe you, when you use the death of 20 children, claiming you care so much about life, to push your gun control agenda, while you defend aborting 100,000 babies a month?

Will it make you feel so much better if a fix my spelling errors? Is that what you have to resort to, the old spelling and grammer attack, because you cant deal with the substance of the comment?

All, David Noah is a card-carrying member of the Panty Police as well as the NRA. Good luck.

(Sigh), it's GRAMMAR!!! And, two "p"s in "appreciate". And "avoidance". Your state called; they want their GED back! Forget about fixing your spelling, I wish YOU were "fixed"! Who the hell died and made you the arbiter of what's a "real" issue and what isn't? Judging from your spelling and grammar, that's WAY outta your pay grade! Bill Clinton once proposed a goal of making abortion safe, legal and rare. That wasn't good enough for some people. We're at where we're at and, in at least some states, (the ones where people can spell), that's how it's staying. Run along! You're late for your protest with the Westwood Baptist Church crowd!

What choice does the unborn child have? What choice does the woman have? What choice does the father have? What choice do the grandparents have? Who gets to decide who has any right to decide about the rights of the fetus or the mother?

You do not make her financial decisions. You do not make her career decisions. You do not tell her how to raise her children. You do not tell her how to vote. If you are not her blood relative - you can't decide anything for her, stop trying to run her life as if you did anything to give you the privilege.

If you are her father or the father of the fetus, you can provide input into her decision. Otherwise, butt out.

I luv ti plesea can I hove sum moor?

The mo desprite teh Left bcums the mose they have to lash out and attak.

It's a clear sign they are losing the gun control argument and they know it.

Jesus, call a doctor! Maybe it's not mispelling, you may be having a stroke!! The gun argument will continue, until the will of the people is done! It may take decades, but it will go on.

I find it ironic that the one with "Fascist" in their name defends peoples right to choose:)

It's Auntie (anti) Fascist. It's a word play. Judging from your spelling, I understand your confusion.

"David Noah"...for an adequate discussion I will start by asking a simple question...

What do you define as murder?

While many here claim they answered the moral dilemma, and resolved it for themselves, they only resolved their ability to support Abortion and why they support it, and did not address the actual themes of my post, the moral decay of society, its moral compass, and the lefts hypocrisy.

Part of the argument over gun control is mental health, after all every mass shooter has had deep mental health issues, Nisan, Loughner, Holmes, Lanza, and calls have been made for more money for mental health, fix the mental health system, etc.

But what about the mixed messages society itself is sending about morality and what is right and wrong? Isn’t that really the root cause?

Murder is morally wrong and against the law, life is valuable and it’s wrong for you to end someone else’s life. Isn’t that what we are expected to teach our children, isn’t that how we are expected to treat others, and how we want them to treat us, isn’t that what we expect in society, to respect life?

But if the baby hasn’t been born its ok to kill it, its not life, it has no value, it’s a fetus, an embryo a zygote, therefore its perfectly acceptable to kill it, it’s not morally wrong, and its legally protected.

You can’t understand why someone with violent tendencies, impulse control, and deep mental health issues would be confused about the mix messages about right and wrong when it concerns murder?

Then there is the Lefts Hypocrisy.

“If it saves just one life its worth it” –V.P. Joe Biden

“Children are our most valuable asset.” President Barrack H. Obama

Unless of course the child hasn’t come out of the mother’s womb, hasn’t been “born” yet, then it has no value.

We have to pass gun control laws now, it would be morally wrong not to do so, any one who stands in our way is morally corrupt and doesn’t care about life, do it for the children.

But if you are against abortion, trying to speak for those that can’t speak for themselves, doing it for the unborn children, what happens? War on Woman, your trying to deny woman their rights, you don’t care about woman, no one will take care of those unborn children, they will be poor and have a miserable life, Republicans are just trying to dictate what woman can and can’t do with their bodies, their trying to take away woman’s freedom of choice, etc.

If it’s worth it to pass gun control, even if it saves just one life, what’s it worth to take a serious look at abortion and end its rampant abuse?

Its o.k if you’re not being responsible, having unprotected sex, are to young and aren’t responsible enough to have kids(though you think you are old enough to have sex), didn’t think about whether you could afford to have a child before you had sex, there’s always a way out of being accountable, you can just get an abortion.

"David Noah"...

What is your solution? If "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice" factions can agree that the ideal number of elective abortions performed in this country is zero (and I believe we should be able to agree to that), how do you propose we attempt get there?

In 1967, Nicolae Ceausescu issued Decree 770 in Romania. Abortion and family planning in the Romania was allowed only for women over 40 (later changed to 45), women with 4 or more children (later changed to 5 or more), women with whose life was threatened by carrying to term and women who became pregnant through rape or incest. Sex education was focused on one goal...become a "Heroine Mother" (title given to a woman with 10 or more children) and give the motherland many children. Contraceptives disappeared from stores and women were forced to see OBGYNs on a monthly basis for monitoring. It became manditory for pregnancies to be carried to term and secret police monitored hospital operations.

The wealthy in Romania were able to obtain black market contraceptives or were able to bribe doctors to give diagnoses that made abortion possible. For the working class, unwanted pregnancies led to primitive abortions that resulted in infections, sterility or even death. Under Decree 770, Romania had the highest mortality rate for pregnant women in Europe.

The birth rate in 1967 in Romania doubled but many of the children were malnourished and suffered from physical disabilities. Romania was forced to build thousands of schools to educate these children. As they grew up, however, there weren't enough jobs available for the massive influx of children in to Romania's economic system. Is it any wonder, then, that these children, as they became adults in 1989, were the ones who violently overthrew Ceausescu's regime?

That is what zero tolerance might look like...in my opinion, not an answer.

What about a "personhood" amendment? In North Dakota, both chambers of their legislature have passed such an amendment that would go to the people of North Dakota as a ballot measure. The North Dakota measure says that "the inalienable right to life of every human being at any stage of development must be recognized and protected." Fine, but what are the unintended consequences of such an amendment to North Dakota's constitution?

- Is a zygote/embryo/fetus considered to have citizenship?

- Would an illegal alien who becomes pregnant in North Dakota have an "anchor fetus"?

- Can taxpayers claim their unborn child as a dependant?

- What crimes to a zygote/embryo/fetus could be prosecuted?

- Can a woman who is caught smoking or drinking be charged with unlawfully dealing with a minor because what goes into her system goes into the fetus' system?

- Can a woman who miscarries be investigated for murder?

- In cases of in vitro fertilization who is legally responsible for the frozen embryos...the parents or the doctors/hospitals/labs/etc?

It's a potential Pandora's Box...and while I believe the legislators' hearts are in the right place in attempting such an amendment, the "Law of Unintended Consequences" could have a field day if such an amendment passed.

...but, if we tell you that the way to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies is to increase access to contraception and to improve sex education programs in schools will Conservatives not tell us we are wrong...that sex education should be in the home and the only thing schools should teach is "abstinence only" (Sarah Palin called for that but "abstinence only" sex education appears to failed within her own home)...that making contraception more available will only encourage more young people to have sex out of wedlock (as if they needed encouragement)?

The toothpaste is out of the tube, though. Back in 2005, Senator Hillary Clinton gave a speech on the anniversary of Roe v Wade in which she cited this statistic...7% of women who do not use contraception account for 53% of all unintended pregnancies. Let that number sink in for a moment...it's frighteningly disproportional.

Now, ask yourself...how many abortions are Conservatives willing to tolerate to avoid using the word "condom"?

Education and access to contraception is no guarantee, of course. So, what else can we do, you might ask? The answer is a challenge to "Pro-Life" forces. If ending elective abortion is so important that you are willing to put so much effort into its demise are you willing to put equal amount of effort into adoption reform?

There are many couples out there who can not conceive but would be willing to adopt a child but can not either due to cost restrictions. Did you know the average cost in legal fees for adoption is $20,000-$30,000? Adoption is also a lengthy process in terms of the time involved. Can the adoption process be simplified and can changes be made to lower the cost for those willing to adopt? I believe it can.

...and you're going to have to most likely agree that same-sex couples should be allowed the same right to adopt as heterosexual couples.

If we are going to change the numbers of elective abortions in this country, is the "Pro-Life" movement willing to put as much effort into fighting for adoption reform as it does in protesting at Planned Parenthood?

...and ultimately remember...the ideal number of elective abortions is zero. The ideal number of murders is zero, as well...but how's that working for us?

Those stupid tea people hanging onto their guns and bibles. What are they thinking by taking responsibility for their safety and the safety of their loved ones? They should jump on board with us lefties and just call 911 if someone is breaking into their home to harm them. They don't realize that the police are just seconds away and will always protect them. I have one parked outside my house all the time so I do not live in fear like those idiots! Forward, OInk!

I think people need to look out for the ignorant sheep who would want to give any of their civil liberties away, sad day in America where people beg to be stripped of their rights.

not sadder than you......

THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to John Adams, Jun. 27, 1813

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to Baron Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813

Take from man his selfish propensities, and he can have nothing to seduce him from the practice of virtue. Or subdue those propensities by education, instruction or restraint, and virtue remains without a competitor.

Is see someone likes to quote Thomas Jefferson that's funny I seem to recall his stance on liberty was the exact opposite of what you claim to support; "The policy of the American government is to leave its citizens free, neither restraining them nor aiding them in their pursuits."-Thomas Jefferson. "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms… disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."-Thomas Jefferson. I could go on and on go back to your cave troll and educate yourself you fool.

Incremental steps will have to suffice, I suppose. There ought to be a price to pay when you disregard the expressed will of the people.

Dunno what YOU'RE reading, but nothing I'm seeing is anywhere near 50%.

Good news...it is not dead. It has been guaranteed a vote later this spring as an amendment to another bill.

Liberals are "Evolving" all the time. Why are you attacking Pigotry for "Evolving"?

Isnt that the new hip thing to do?

Why are you attacking Pigotry for "Evolving"?

For starters, this is NOT Pigotry, this is one of your ilk creating a "gimmick" account, just like Feistey Blackhead !

Shame, you and Jolly Old Soul are too stupid to see it... lol

That cuts this piggy deep Feisty, I thought we were like litter mates? Forward, Oink!

Thank you Feisty for pointing that out. I see the avatar and do not like her humor today. Lazy me☺

Fiesty, Who really gives a $hit what you are spewing. I like the new pig better and

I applaud all that mock you and the crap you spew, Get over yourself. I'll have to build

a R.I. Moan account and someone can Mimic the Erci and Backouthouse.

This is truly funny stuff. Back to the article. Sambo needs to push Guns and

Immigration because the A.D.D. crowd will forget the economy and his LASER focus

on Jobs, Gitmo and countless other lies.......

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.
It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ...
I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

— Then-Sen. Barack Obama, floor speech in the Senate, March 16, 2006

The Budget Control Act of 2011 (Pub.L. 112–25, S. 365, 125 Stat. 240,
enacted August 2, 2011) is a federal statute in the United States that was signed into law by

President Barack Obama on August 2, 2011.

The Act brought conclusion to the 2011 United States debt-ceiling crisis,
which had threatened to lead the United States into sovereign default on or about August 3, 2011

The federal government’s outlays this fiscal year will total $3.55 trillion,
according to the CBO’s latest estimate.
Do the arithmetic and you’ll see that $42 billion is 1.16 percent of what the federal government
would have spent this year if there had there been no sequester.

Do you really believe that only liberal women have abortions? Secondly, if abortions are murder, shouldn't we consider women who get their menses late guilty of manslaughter? Or would you consider it second degree murder because it was unplanned?

Right, and besides who would manufacture and sell all the meth? I mean we need them here like the guy in Vancouver, Washington I read about in the paper this morning who was caught with a half pound of meth; he was sentenced to 4 years in prison BUT no, he was deported back to Mexico in lieu of prison. Here's a shocker, they caught him the other day less than 6 months later, this time with 2 pounds of meth. That was of course after a high speed chase where he sideswiped a poor innocent motorist and finally crashed. Yep, co-workers, neighbors and friends!

And while I'm here, you guys are so concerned about one childs life? We have to ban certain weapons to save just one childs life? What about you big fat pigs shoving McDonalds food down the throats of your big fat kids? What about you fat lazy pigs to lazy to cook meals for your fat lazy kids so you fill em up with pizza and soda pop. Obesity kills ten times more people in this country than guns but I don't hear any one of you screaming, WE DON"T NEED CHEESEBURGERS! WE DON"T NEED SODA POP! Where is your outrage at these french fry manufacturers only caring about profits while thousands of our citizens are dying from heart disease and diabetes. Let me answer that, you hate guns but you love stuffing your fat faces and your kids full of garbage, so quit lying about your motives for gun control.

Rates of childhood obesity are generally higher in red states than blue states. It has more to do with poverty than anything else. French fries, if used in the manner they were designed for, won't kill you. Guns, when used as designed, could.

Jaywillie, you are preaching to the liberal choir! Of course French fries used in the manner they were designed for will never hurt you! The thought that something soaked in fat and deep fried could be harmful is ridiculous! Many firearms that were designed for protection and competition shooting have been known to jump up all by themselves and go on a rampage killing countless people, we must ban these semi auto weapons of mass destruction at once! Never mind the automobiles that were designed to go over the speed limit, or countless abortions performed on a daily basis. If it saves one child isn't it worth it? Forward, oink!

Gun control is a farce and will never happen. Now immigration is a problem that needs to be solved quickly without pissing on the American people and calling it rain.

Ryan,

Your assertions about UK and Australia crime are false. Your talking points are pure NRA paranoia and propaganda. Do you feel that pain on the inside of your cheek? That is Wayne LaPierre's hook stuck in your mouth. Now go swim along.

chucky b....his assertion that the UK and Australia first enacted "background checks and registration" first and then moved to confiscation are true.

As for crime, while gun crimes may have stabilized, they still occur and even more alarming, violent crimes with and without other weapons (knives became the assault weapon of choice in the UK with lawmakers now wanting to ban, guess what, "assault steak knives") have skyrocketed making the UK the "violent crime capital of Europe".

You may want to venture out into the world beyond MSNBC. You will find a whole new world of facts.....

Shep - please tell me where to go find some facts you like....Brietbart? NRA mailers? Drudge? I'll stick with reality and common sense. Swim along, I hear it's a brand new experience for you and Ryan every trip around the gold fish bowl.

chucky b....Get away from MSNBC and you too can find stuff like this:

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.

By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent, Telegraph UK 7:00AM BST 02 Jul 2009 (published again 2013)

Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a 77 per cent
increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offences in the UK since
Labour came to power.

The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is
higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia
and South Africa.

James Morris MP calls on PM to act on knife crime
13th March 2013 (Actual James Morris Parliament site)

"The Government has rightly introduced minimum custodial sentences for people convicted of threatening someone with a knife, but would the Prime Minister agree with me that it is now time to introduce a legal assumption that people carrying a knife in public intend to use it and should attract prison sentences so that we can redouble our efforts to rid our communities of the scourge of knives."

There are many more.....just go looking....

chucky b.....hello.....answered your accusations.......response??

"crickets chirping......"

Far lower in the UK and Australia than the US, I mean to say. The lower rate of gun crime in those countries compared to the US is not because of their 1990's gun bans. It was already lower.

And everything I said about gun confiscation in those countries is true. How is that a paranoid fantasy? When we get an assault weapons ban, will Bloomberg disband Mayors Against Illegal Guns? Will the Brady Campaign dissolve? Or will they keep pushing for more gun laws until they get their confiscation?

Are gun owners paranoid or are you really that oblivious?

However, their rate of violent crime is much higher.....after their gun bans.......

Yes, Shep, I too can google, AND I can cite legitimate sources. And, yes Ryan, you are a paranoid, gullible, fearful gun owner. You are both part of the low-info fringe that the NRA is able to rile up. Congrats.

Business Insider: How Australia And Other Developed Nations Have Put A Stop To Gun Violence

FactCheck dot Org:

Gun Control in Australia

NRA Misfires on Federal Gun Registry

CNN:

Dunblane: How UK school massacre led to tighter gun control

chucky b....your info mentions "gun control", the citings I included notes how overall violent crime goes up dramatically after "gun control" (did you ever think that is because their unarmed law-abiding citizens are defenseless) and when criminals also move to other "assault weapons" government goes on a never-ending rampage to ban the next "assault weapon of choice"....

You likely have not also considered that all the recent tragic events and a high percentage of violent crimes in America occur in "gun free zones" or areas where guns are highly controlled or banned (like Chicago!).

Have you ever wondered why when James Holmes had ~7 other theaters just as close or closer to him that he chose the one with the sign on the door "No firearms allowed".....

Banning "arms" protected under the 2nd Amendment will not do anything to prevent similar tragedies from happening again and will only continue to divide the nation by focusing on law-abiding citizens, not criminals.

Focus on increasing penalties for gun crimes, enforcing laws already in place, filling gaps in NCIS data (some states don't communicate mental patients nor felony criminals), securing our children with armed security (like soldiers returning from Afghanistan/Iraq or retired law officers) and getting better help for the mentally ill.

Those will go a long way to reducing the chance of those type of events and not divide the nation.....

If more guns were the answer, America would be the safest place on Earth. Looks like that theory is blown out of the water pretty quick, huh?

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn’t even make the “top 10″ list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

It seams that the United States is a safer place to live than gun free England or Australia. In fact the U.S. is one of the safest counties in the world to live in.

Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime: In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Why are people so excited about giving away their civil liberties, any of them? They wrote the second amendment for a purpose as with all the amendments in the Bill of Rights, the only alternative is a government that has total control, if that's what you all want move to N Korea, China, or Venezuela, the constitution balances the power of the Federal Government between the three branches and the people with the rights reserved to the people. One day you all will get what you are wishing for and it may not be you but your children and grand children. Do not be a fool protect all of your rights.