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Subscribe to RSSSenate Democrats are pushing forward with a plan to require all gun buyers to get a background check before they can buy a firearm.
"Later tonight, I will start the process of bringing a bill to reduce gun violence to the Senate floor. This bill will include the provisions on background checks, school safety and gun trafficking reported by the Judiciary Committee," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said in a statement Thursday evening.
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) speaks to the press after the weekly Senate Democrats policy luncheon on March 19, 2013 in Washington, DC.
But it's still far from certain that the Senate can pass the background check provision, now considered the centerpiece of President Barack Obama's gun control legislation. Senators are still negotiating the exact language to be used in that provision.
West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is still talking with Republicans about background checks-- and is in touch with the National Rifle Association -- in an attempt to find compromise language that could garner significant Republican support.
Senate aides say they'll substitute in that compromise language after the Senate returns from recess -- if they can achieve such a compromise.
A proposed assault weapons ban isn't part of the bill -- instead, it will be offered as an amendment.
"The bill I advance tonight will serve as the basis for opening debate. Once debate begins, I will ensure that a ban on assault weapons, limits to high-capacity magazines, and mental health provisions receive votes, along with other amendments," Reid said in his statement.
What does the Senate gun control bill do?
- Requires a background check for anyone who wants to buy a gun, closing the gun show loophole. This is the most contentious part of the bill, and senators are still trying to find a compromise that can pass the Senate.
- Makes gun trafficking a federal crime and increases penalties for people who buy a gun for someone else (known as "straw purchasing.") This provision has broad bipartisan support.
- Helps schools pay for infrastructure to make schools safer -- like reinforced doors -- and training programs for students, faculty and staff. This also has bipartisan support.
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We Won on Gun Control, Liberals and YOU LOST, hahahahahhahahah.
And public opinion has swung dramatically our way, says CNN.
52% supported stricter laws in December, allegedly, and now that's down to 43%.
55% now support either no or only very minor restrictions to gun ownership.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/18/cnn-poll-is-support-for-gun-control-dipping/
We won! hahhahahahahahah
Chesty - smart people know when to back off - that's why support has slipped.
Some Liberals refuse to believe it and use other stats to back their push for weapons and magazine bans. Their long-term goal is a culture change of our society to get people away from guns.
It is called "social engineering". Bloomberg is trying to do that in NYC. They will lose.
Chesty.....That is kind of childish. I am glad that logic won over emotion, but there is no need to rub it in.
they try to use old polls because the new ones suck for them. Even a lot of the old ones weren't very good for their side.
But I hope they keep at it, especially now with lower approval for them on the topic. Keep it up thru next fall, and then we have to tie every swing state Democrat to Feinstein and all the rest.
PutAmericaFirst, I'm rubbing their faces in it. Like they're sitting at the dinner table and failed gun control is on their plate, and I'm shoving their faces in the food.
That's what I'm talking about!
The analysis is flawed. They combined "some restrictions" with "no restrictions".
If you look at the actual study at those who favor "minor restrictions" combined with "major restrictions", you will see that a seven-in-ten majority of respondents actually favor some form of restrictions on owning guns.
Favor Restrictions - General
There should be some restrictions on owning guns 70%
Favor Restrictions - Statements
There should be major restrictions on owning guns 31%
There should only be minor restrictions on owning guns 38%
Total 69%
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2013/images/03/18/rel3a.pdf
Owning guns is as American as America.
Reasonable restrictions are constitutional.
D.C. v. Heller
Here in Florida, a brand new poll shows 91% support universal background checks for all gun purchases. 51% support stricter gun control. Oh, they also support Hillary Clinton over any GOP for 2016, including their own Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio. As Rick Perry would say, oops!
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/poll-floridians-favor-more-gun-control-hillary-clinton-for-president-in/2110432
No, Re-elect "minor" doesn't mean "some". It's a more specific term.
55% support either no or only minor gun restrictions.
At the news conference today, it waa fun to watch Biden and Nut-berg groveling for votes to pass their stupid Liberal agenda but it was sad to see them use the people of Newtown to push it.
Liberals refuse to accept the fact that the voters in weakly held Democrats areas do not want this agenda. Liberals want those Senators to vote for the Liberal agenda AGAINST the wishes of their constituents.
That is NOT how things are done - we have a government by representation by the people and for the people, so you Liberal Communists go f-ck yourselves !!
Every other decent American who cherishes our Constitution and our freedom say "NO !!" to Biden and Nut-berg.
my understanding it that gangbangers are the leading manufacture of guns, so the NRA is only trying to keep up with the arms race. can you sell land or a car without a title? btw, the Nazis promoted gun ownership except for the jews. replace Nazis with NRA and jews with illegals, its scary. I wonder who really has the fascist ties?
"gangbangers are the leading
manufacturersdeadly force users of guns"deadly force as in murder, that is
I say fascist and you show up, chesty(whose nick insults a hero). I wonder if I should take you off ignore? nope.
After reading your two comments here, I have to ask "slow bus or slow shot?"
It was downhill from there
simple is apropos, especially with understanding and America's history of firearms, but then so are flat earthers. a simple theory, yet ooo so wrong...
The sad thing is Fiesty doesn't realize she has already lost.
Biden and Bloomberg have already threatened any Democrat who doesn't vote for an assault weapons ban, which means if they don't vote for banning assault weapons you will be challenged in a Primary with Bloomberg's money backing your opposition, But if you do vote for an Assault weapons ban you will surely get voted out of office by your own Constituents in your state.
Oh what to do what to do.
Magpul has already announced they are going through with moving out of Colorado and said they will make there first magizene out of state within 30 days.
Congrats Colorado you just lost Two Hundred jobs and millions in revenue each year.
Colt says they are considering Leaving Connecticut if they pass gun control legislation which means they will lose 700 Jobs and millions in revenue each year. Same thing with Remington in New York, Armalite says they will leave Ill-nois taking jobs and revenue with them, didn't Less Baer Customs just leave Ill-noise?
Yeah your really winning aren't you...
mmmmmmmmmmm...wonder where they will go?
My bets on Texas. we love America, mama, and guns.
Oh yeah, jobs and freedom. Can never have too much of those.
I'm cool with that. I'm a law-abiding citizen with one gun and no secrets.
And I don't understand what the big deal is.....it's crazy. I used to be a huge gun rights advocate.
But after watching these "gun enthusiasts" flip out over little things...background checks and magazine restrictions - I've changed my tune.
I'm not the only one.
No you're not... I was a member of the NRA for about 2 years....
Their pathetic fear mongering about gun confiscation, and their incessant pleas for money made me seriously reconsider my decision in joining...
As it sits.. I have very little patience for the bloviating children that populate the "gun nut" culture..
to Joe and K12..... by their very name and nature, Liberal Progressives never stop pushing their agenda after they get a foot in the door. That"s why it is important to shut them down before they even leave the gate.
NEVER trust a Democrat with your 2nd Amendment rights !! NEVER !!
Look at the gun restrictions a supposedly "moderate" Democrat Governor of Colorado just signed into law.
Agenda???
The only "agenda" I currently have is getting a good laugh out the the squalling children of gun nut nation...
Oh.. and thanks....
Remember what happened last time Dems tried (and that time they succeeded) in passing gun control.
1994.
And what happened that fall, children? Oh, they lost the House for the first time in 50 years, and then they never got it back again for the next 12 years.
Let's hope 2014 is similarly painful for them.
That's funny. Stupid, but it does make me LAUGH!
Let's talk Reagan, the idol of many conservatives, OK?
In 1994, Reagan wrote congress asking for a ban on assault rifles. As CA Gov, Reagan signed a ban on open carrying of a loaded weapon. REAGAN WAS ALSO THE ONE THAT SIGNED THE BAN ON AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.
Ever hear of the Brady Bill? You know who James Brady is, right? Guess who put that bill into play!
For the uninformed:
However, the act also contained a provision banning the ownership of any fully automatic firearms not registered by May 19, 1986. That provision was slipped into the legislation as an 11th hour amendment by Rep. William J. Hughes, a New Jersey Democrat. Reagan has been criticized by some gun owners for signing legislation containing the Hughes amendment.
Chesty - I agree !
Hope Dems lose the Senate in 2014 and Reps make Obama a lame duck President for 2 years !
Background check. 1st question: Name. 2nd) address. 3rd) How many guns do you currently own?
None of their business. My 2nd Amendment rights will NOT be infringed!
Isn’t there anyone on the Left that can explain this moral dilemma? Can’t you come up with a single rational counter argument?
Especially you Fiesty, since your such Buddies with Biden, flying to Las Vegas etc. to go to his $38,000 a plate fundraisers. I would love to hear Biden's response since no one else on the left can challenge this. I would hope your Dear Leaders Obama and Biden could.
How are we supposed to believe the left really cares about life, the safety of our children, "If its saves just one life its worth it" -Joe Biden, "children are our most valuable asset"-Barrack Obama, when they call for all these new gun control laws?
Let’s take a look at Americas Moral Compass.
In America, since the Historic Row vs Wade decision 40 years ago 55,000,000 abortions have been Performed, 1.37 Million per year, 114,583 abortions performed each Month. The Abortion of 114,583 unborn children per month, 3800 a day, legally protected. What’s the Pro-Abortion rights logo?
“Abortion on demand and without Apology”.
In other words they believe its ok to Abort the lives of 106,020 unborn children a month and it’s perfectly acceptable. There’s no reason to believe it’s Morally wrong and you should feel bad if you do. Their arguments in support of abortion will be that it’s a Fetus, it’s because of Medical issues, there’s no one to adopt those unborn unwanted children, War on Woman, etc.
Before you declare it a "Woman’s Issue", and say it’s none of a Mans business, consider that it takes Sperm, which comes from Men, to get a Woman Pregnant. That means Men are just as responsible for the Abortion rate in the U.S. as Woman are, it is not just a "Woman’s Issue" and to say it’s none of Man’s Business is just more Hypocrisy from the Left.
Did you forget How Upset Americans were that Russia Banned Americans from Adopting Russian Orphans?
There are not enough American born orphans to go around?
Only 7% of all abortions are because of Rape, Incest, and Medical issues and the other 93% are because of other reasons, the mother was too young, the mother can’t afford it, it will affect their life. In other words 106,020 unborn children a month are aborted and there is no Medical justification, but they frame their argument as a Woman’s Health issue and if you are against Abortion you support the War on Woman. Let’s not forget it takes the Male Sperm to Get Woman Pregnant while they are disenfranchising Men and neglect holding them accountable.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
The left wants you to believe that it is Morally wrong not to do everything you can to pass gun control to save children’s lives because 20+ children in the last decade have been killed in Mass murders. We have to protect our children; we have to pass gun control laws now, it is morally wrong not to do everything we can to save the lives of children.
If it saves just one life it’s worth it.
If you’re against gun control you’re a gun nut, don’t care about the lives of children, the NRA are terrorists, you support Murder, etc. They vilify anyone that stands in their way in their Nobel quest to preserve life.
In other words the Left believes it’s Morally acceptable to Abort 106,020 unborn children a Month, but your Morally corrupt if you are against Gun control laws that will have little or no effect on saving children’s lives but will take away your right to defend yourself and your family, your ability to preserve Life.
Where does your Moral compass point?
Kind of Hypocritical of the Left, don’t you think, to defend the right to Abort 106,020 babies a month, all the while claiming you support gun control to save children’s Lives because you care so much about life?
Perhaps the Left needs to take a hard look at their Morals and stop telling everyone else what their Morals should be.
I reject your Morals and Trust my Own! The Lefts Moral compass is Broken and Can’t be Trusted!
If you want to know what’s wrong with the United States just look at its Moral Compass.
Tell us again how precious life is, and how we have to do everything we can to pass gun control to protect children's lives, even if it saves just one life, while you defend the Abortion of 106,020 Lives a Month, children that would be a part of this world if they were given a choice.
They call themselves Pro-Choice, because Pro-Abortion doesn’t sound P.C.. Were those 106,020 unborn children that are aborted every Month given a Choice?
You MUST register to use your right to vote. Give me a RATIONAL reason why you should not be registered to own a gun!
Come on David, show you have more brains than a toad stool!
Your comment has what to do with my posting?
You can't justify the opposing morality can you so you have to resort to diversion, attack and ridicule, to avoid facing the truth.
It says it right in the Constitution:
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Any gun law that impedes that right is unconstitutional.
You know, that quaint old document that protects us from a tyrannical govt.
Give a rational reason why law abiding citizens have to be in a government data base. Should people who own hammers, knives, baseball bats, or power tools be forced to register in a data base.
The 2nd amendment is already regulated.
Reasonable regulations are constitutional. DC v. Heller.
There is no government database and no database is being proposed in any legislation.
Simple Theory
It says it right in the Constitution:
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Any gun law that impedes that right is unconstitutional.
Does that mean I can keep my M1A1 Abrams tank parked in my garage and my RPG?
I think we should have background checks on auto sales, they kill a lot more than guns. No one with a medical MJ card should be able to buy or drive a car. How about that for starters? Back in the '60's, I got a ticket for driving 35 in the fast lane, so I know.
Can you transfer a car to just anyone in a private sale? You ever hear of driver's licence and insurance to register a car?
You register to use your right to vote. Why not for your right to own a gun?
(no one can ever give a valid answer to this one!)
AYN RAND, the lady who hated "Big Government" and yet collected Social Security and Medicare.
Typical NRA worn out canards. Though autos kill many people, that is not their main purpose as is the case with firearms. Secondly, autos are far more heavily regulated than guns, both at the State and Federal level. I'd like to drive at 120 mph down main street but I suspect the town cops would frown on it. Since the 1960's the DOT has heavily regulated auto design and has been responsible for countless safety features. I can remember when auto manufacturers back in the Seventies were wining that it would be impossible to make cars this safe and would cost way too much. Nowadays we take from granted things like mulitiple air bags, crumple zones, ABS brakes, self tightening seatbelts and tons more that is now the norm.
Likewise, we have "free speach" in this country but you can't shout "Fire" in a crowed theatre nor can you tell a judge to go F himself. If you doubt me, why don't you try it sometime and see where it gets you. Your argument is silly beyond words and simply does not hold water.
Because some left wing rag, A.K.A. the Journal News could produce a gun map showing every criminal which houses are armed and which ones aren't.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/04/ex-burglars-say-newspapers-gun-map-wouldve-made-job-easier-safer/
You heard about the Colorado prison chief being gunned down at his home right?
http://www.rocklandtimes.com/2013/01/10/chief-nulty-says-journal-news-endangers-undercover-officers-orangetown-council-blasts-journal-news-gun-map/
David, you are as dumb as a toad stool! You MUST register to use your right to vote. Why not register to own a gun?
Will you dance, or try to use your brain?
DAVID, you must live in a real crap neighborhorhood. I've managed to live all these years without creating a small arsenal in my house. Perhaps you might want to consider moving.
Herron
I told you last night "There is no Constitutional right to vote'.
http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=72
So you can't compare a the Constitutional Right to bear arms to the PRIVILEGE of voting.
I'm a U.S. Citizen that's all the Registration I need to own a gun.
You have to register to vote so the Registers office knows which district and precinct you are in to determine which races you will be voting in, to ensure you are only voting once, and that you are a U.S. citizen(supposedly).
You are not registering for your right to vote.
The Federal Government does not run voter Registration the States do because that is the States power.
You don't have to Register a car or have a drivers license to own it. You only have to register the car, and have a drivers license, if you want to drive it on the streets.
How many more times are you going to call me dumb and insult me when I have not made any personal attacks or insulted you, ever?
Yes, you can. Registration for tags and insurance purposes is up to the buyer.
I live in a really nice neighbor hood. Almost all of my neighbors are gun owners and I'm glad they are. That's why its a nice neighborhood without crime, gangs, drug dealers, etc. because the criminals know there is a gun behind every door.
Just look at Chicago for an example of your nice gun free neighborhoods.
Without a total ban on assault weapons and other military-style weaponry the gun control law is a total failure for the American people and a win for the neo-nazis driving this country to insanity.
No - it is a big win for all Americans who cherish and respect the Constitution and the freedom it provides - unlike Commie scumbags like you.
So tell me,is my Remington 870 shotgun "military-style weaponry"? It was used by the Army in 'Nam back in 1965. I believe it is still used today. Does that make it an ASSAULT WEAPON?
Poor stupid Ol' Joe Biden does not think it is - he even wants his wife to shoot a shotgun into the air is she gets frightened.
Happiness,is a deep background check.
That must drive you yor isn't tards nuts,,good,,makes me happy
I believe your head is too deep in your background as it is now. Why would you want to stick it deeper?
You register a car so they can tax it, are you suggesting they tax my gun every year? If you are, I demand you register your coffee maker.
Time to tax all automatic rifles,,
They have been since 1934.
They already are. To own an automatic weapon you have to have a class III license and pay a $200.00 tax for the transfer of ownership of that weapon to you not to mention an extensive background check you have to go through which includes finger printing and an ATF and FBI background checks.
Fiesty, Herron, and Bulletman etc. are just as recent examples, and because of so many others over the years, are the reason I had my epiphany four years ago.
Biden was right when he said America is going through a "sea change". What makes the left think its in your favor or will benefit them in the long run?
As I read the hundreds of comments from the intellectually superior, tolerant, forgiving, accepting, empathic, Progressives/Liberals it confirms My decision four years ago to register as an Independent instead of a Democrat and stop voting along party lines.
What happened to the Democratic party?
I voted for Bill Clinton Twice because I believed he was the better candidate. I always voted for Democrats for House and Senate members etc.
Basically I voted along party lines, I voted Democrat.
I will argue that Bill Clinton is still the Best President we have had in a Long time.
I believed Republicans were greedy politicians that only looked out for themselves, the rich, corporations etc. I believed all the Lefts talking points and stereo types about Conservatives while accepting as truth their own descriptions of themselves as being for the common people, Protecting the poor and middle class, only serving the interests of the people, etc.
Maybe I just felt that if I said I was a Democrat, Progressive, Liberal etc. that would somehow mean I was intellectually superior, more tolerant, forgiving etc. and a better human being who cared for others?
I believe in God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, the Divine trinity, but I haven't been to a Church in two decades because I believe organized religion has become corrupt. That's not God's fault that's Humanities fault. I can't blame God or Jesus, and why should I lose faith in them, because of Humanities shortcomings?
Isn't that the message from God? Treat others the way you want to be treated? Help others when you can? Do no Harm? Respect everyone and everything and don't judge others because that is God's job not yours? Turn the other cheek?
Isn't that basically the same as the Progressive/Liberal Message about tolerance, respect, etc.?
Four years ago, because of the health care debate, I started following and researching Politics in more than just a passing interest. After all I have children, and the ACA was going to impact every citizen, and 1/6 of our economy, and I Have a duty to my children to leave the country better than when we inherited it if we can. At the very least not cause any damage to it and leave it in the same condition that we received it in.
I created a Newsvine account, I even wrote a couple of articles, I participated in many of the discussions just as we are doing now. What surprised me was how different my views and opinions were from those that considered themselves on the Left, Liberal, or Progressive.
I was shocked at how many "Republicans are Racists", "Tea Baggers are Homophobes", "Conservatives are all Bigots" etc articles were constantly being written on the Vine to try and stereotype them. I would post a comment and if it wasn't in agreement with the Left I would get called a Tin foil hat wearing, Racist, Homophobe, hater,etc.
But wait a minute I always voted Democrat, I consider myself a Liberal, I don't believe in the Church, I think we have an obligation to help the poor, abortion is a choice, etc. Why am I being called a Racist, Biggot, hater, etc simply because my opinion isn't the same?
Is something wrong with Me?
Aren't Progressives, Liberals, supposed to be the forgiving, tolerant, intelligent ones that have compassion and understanding so why am I being attacked for my views simply because others don't agree with them?
Does being a "Progressive" or a "Liberal" mean I have to Lie about Conservatives? Do I have to make stuff up that isn't true? Do I have to try and stereotype them and call them Racists, Biggots, etc even though I know that's not true?
Does being a progressive mean pretending to be something your really not, tolerant, Respecting, understanding, forgiving, intellectual, etc.?
Just look at all the comments about conservatives and any one who doesn't agree with the Liberal World View here on this discussion and many others. All the Lies, Made up facts, Distortions, ridicule, etc. that's being done by Liberal/Progressives.
I would be ashamed to call myself a Democrat, Liberal, or Progressive now that I have seen what they truly are, stand for, and my eyes have opened.
That is why I am now a Proud Independent.
I can have my conservative views, I can have my liberal views, and if you don't like them to God Damn Bad.
Call me a Racist, Bigot, Homophobe, Wing Nut, Republican, Extremist, etc. because it doesn't bother me one damn bit and all your doing is reinforcing my new found discovery, actually 4 years old now, that Progressives/Liberals are no more tolerant, Intellectual, etc than any other group of people.
In a Way they are even worse because they are the ones pretending to be something their not which is why I won't pretend to be one and would be ashamed to call myself one.
Well said David. Your 'vine experience mirrors mine (except being a Democrat, I am conservative). Been coming here since early 2008 and thought I could engage in some polite discourse. Quickly learned that was not the case.
The Republican Congress made him better. Remember hillarycare?
Yea I remember Hillary Care and the way the Clintons were villified just as Obama as been for the heinous crime of trying to ensure all Americans receive decent health care and that we rectify a health care system that is so broke, so vastly overpriced and out of control that it is obscene.
And now the Right wants to "Repeal & Replace" Obama Care. Isn't that convenient. What the hell stopped them for the 8 years when Bush was on office, the first six where the GOP controlled all of Washington??? The answer is NOTHING stopped them, they just didn't give a damn, that's all.
I could never understand why background checks are required for federally licensed gun sellers and out-of-state private sales, but not for in-state private sales. Is this because no person would ever sell a gun to a criminal in the same state?
No. Because to make background checks for private sales effective you need to register the gun and the owner. Do you see the problem now?
It's hard to tell whether you're serious or merely sarcastic, since people tend to get confused on this topic. I'll just clarify by noting that background checks currently do not involve registration of either guns or owners, at least in the traditional sense of keeping permanent legal records on both. There's only Form 4473 and the NICS call-in, neither of which qualifies. In fact, the NRA will readily express its pride that we have no true gun registration in America, unlike in many other countries. I really do not see the difference between out-of-state and in-state private sales, yet one requires a background check and the other does not.
I honestly do not see any possible issues with required background checks before purchasing a firearm. What is the big deal? If you have a clean record you shouldn't have anything to worry about. This will also help keep track of firearms purchased and to make sure that if it's ever stolen or used in a wrong way it can be traced. NRA and Republican's should be ashamed of themselves for not passing this. It doesn't even ban certain guns.
We already have background checks for gun purchases. Does that stop the bad guys from buying guns from each other?
Not for private sales or gun shows which should be required. Also tagging those weapons to the owner should be required as well. Own as much guns you want but if you got nothing to hide there shouldn't be a problem except in the gun loving "Hate government" mind.
Background checks are required for gun sales by dealers EVEN at gun shows.
Now as far as private sales are concerned,how would that stop a criminal from selling a gun to another criminal? How would it be enforced? We have had Universal Background Check here in California since 1994 or so. It hasn't stopped the criminals from selling to each other. Why do you think it will stop illegal gun sales nation wide?
This isn't true. A background check has nothing to do with registration they are two different things. The proposed universal background check will not have a registration aspect either if it passes. Current government studies have said a universal background check without registration is useless. Schumer and Manchin have both stated this check will not have that registration process. Unless of course Schumer and Manchin are lying to us,but according to some only the NRA lies.
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They already are when purchasing from a licensed firearm dealer. The "Gun show loop hole" they refer to is the private sale of guns between two individuals. I have no problem with trying to close that loop hole and legal gun owners don't have a problem with that. When they spout the stats saying 90% or whatever support tougher background checks that is one of the two things I would support.
But I shouldn't have to have my son go through a background check if I want to give him one of my guns. I raised Him. I'm pretty damn sure I know he is a U.S. Citizen, is not a felon, does not have violent tendencies, is emotionally stable, etc. and I wouldn't give him a gun if I didn't think he would respect it and be responsible with it and know how to use it, treat it safely, and how to keep it secure. After all he learned gun safety, etc from me and my wife.
The second part I would agree to is that something seriously needs to be done to fix the broken NICS system.
"Insanity; doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
All of you saying we need more gun controls laws, how exactly will they work when it’s the system itself that doesn’t work because the current gun laws we have aren't being enforced?
The Government Accountability Office attributes the failures of the NICS system to the States not reporting people deemed mentally unstable, convicted Felons, Domestic abuse, drug convictions etc so its going to work so much better how?
Jerry Lee Loughner (Gabby Giffords shooting), Seung-Hui Cho (Virgina Tech Massacre), James Holmes (Colorado), were all a danger to others but were never reported to the NICS system by the States.
If your looking to place blame, then maybe you should be blaming the States and Institutions, that failed to report the Murderers listed above to the NICS system.
Seung-Hui Cho
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/us/gaps-in-fbi-data-undercut-background-checks-for-guns.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Jerry Lee Laughner
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41131860/ns/politics-more_politics/
James Holmes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014183224
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/2013/01/27/massachusetts-among-worst-sharing-mental-health-data-for-gun-background-checks/COmpdk3YbrLmj0i9vkTnIJ/story.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/29/gun-debate-lawmakers-eye-troubled-background-check-system/
Slodon. No background checks for PRIVATE sales that often OCCUR AT GUN SHOWS! Have you NEVER seen a private seller when you went to a gun show? You got cash, and you can buy anything you want, from a complete stranger!
ROFL.
Slodan stop reading my Mind:)
sandy
How would the government know that I'm the LEGAL owner of the gun I want to sell if it is not registered to me?
So Slodon, you are ignoring the BUYER aspect here. It is to stop a BUYER from getting a gun that he/she shouldn't have.
Herron
What will stop a crook from selling to another crook? How will you make criminals go through the background check? How will you stop the criminal seller and buyer?
Just a thought Herron.
How will a Universal Background Check stop a criminal from selling a stolen gun to a LEGAL buyer if it isn't registered??
The gun trafficking provision will apply in the case of illegal guns being sold.
Gun trafficking is ALREADY ILLEGAL!
Next.
SLODEN'S argument is that since criminals will not honor and adhere to background checks that therefore there is no purpose to mandating it. I've got news for you, crimnals break thousands of laws every day, that's why we call them criminals. That does not mean that we should therefore do away with all legislation banning criminal activities since criminals will inevitably break them.
The NRA crowd always uses this zero sum game that since new legislation will not stop all gun crime there is no point in creating. No, it will not stop all gun violence and some bad guys will still get their hands on firearms but I see no reason why we should make it easy for them and statistics show that background checks do indeed stop many people who have no business owning firearms from getting them.
And I've been to gun shows and I've seen what goes on there. You could walk in there dressed in prison garb with your inmate # printed on your back and there are dirtbags there that will sell a gun to anyone. The tired escuses of the NRA ring more hollow with each passing day.
Slodon must also think that ALL laws should be dropped, as good people would obey them anyway!
You must register to use your RIGHT to vote, so why not to have a gun?
Ummm.... You said "slodon" and "think" in the same sentence...
Please stop...
Thanks...
Herron
To repeat.
http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=72
So you can't compare the Constitutional Right to bear arms to the PRIVILEGE of voting.
The problem is that if you give them an inch they take a mile.
Americans supported Health care reform back in 09 because we all knew something had to be done about it because of the high costs.
The problem is the Left shut out the Republicans, did their back room deals, the Louisiana purchase, Kornhusker Kickback, Connecticut Con,Gatorade Gimme, etc. then passed it on Christmas Eve without any one having a chance to read it.
"We have to pass it to find out whats in it." Nancy Pelosi
Those that don't learn from History are bound to let it repeat.
The right did learn. Isn't that whats really upsetting you? That there not going to let you jam whatever you want through, let you pass gun control in the dead of the night without any one having a chance to read it and debate it, etc.
That the right isn't being silent and you can't intimidate and shame them into submission any more?
Ozzie,Herron and K1200
I see that you three have to resort to insults to defend your positions. Why is that? Can't you support your statements without insults?
Ozzie? Herron? K1200?
WHERE ARE YOU?
Come on guys support your Universal Background Check and Assault Weapons Ban. Support your Gun Control. Tell us why we need them and how to enforce them.
Wrong thread. My Bad.
Bottom line is NO cop will enforce this law if it ever did get through. And when Odummy does come for the guns good luck finding a cop to help you. They will all be home defending the Constitution.
Fully realizing that the "background" check issue is a point of sale control issue..... not an immediate law enforcement issue...
Teapublicans - When you just don't have the time for comedy central...
Fully realizing that it will take law enforcement to make an individual require an individual get a background check. Dip Shi# - Those welfare checks coming in on time?
@K1200RS...isn't Comedy Central where the libs get all their serious news from? ...John Stewart and Bill Maher are comedians!!!....not experts in politics!
You're not really this stupid... right?????
Licensed gun dealers have been doing background checks, without any direct involvement from law enforcement, for years..
And now, .. this is all going to magically change if the background check is expanded to include other types of gun sales???
You're dumber, than I thought.. LOL!!!!
Twist it however you want if it makes you not wet the bed tonight. You want individual gun sales to have background checks. Who do you think is gonna enforce this exactly? Your socialist government doesn't have a camera in every household ....yet.
BTW cute little rice burner. Whats the matter couldn't afford a real bike with the working peoples tax money?
someone quick, drop mr reid off at the cementary, he's toast and just doesn't realize it
yet the dems fight tooth and nail to make sure that even the simplest form of i.d. isn't needed to vote......
I agree with the funding to make schools safer and even agree with penalties for "straw" purchases (although it has to be clarified a bit).........However, why do these silly libs keep believing that criminals will line up to get background checks???
I see your "logic", we should only have laws that all the bad guys agree to adhere to, is that it?
They're called criminals precisely because they break laws. Using your tortured "logic", we should do away with all laws because we all know, the bad guys will not adhere to them. And actually this tired claim of the NRA is not true. Many bad guys will try to get a gun through "legal" means and be denied. Yes, some will find a firearm elsewhere but some will not. To argue that because it will not stop all criminals there is no point in having it in the first place, is ludicrous.
For all of you who are too simple to realize it, JUST HOW DO YOU KNOW WITH 100% CERTAINTY THAT A BACKGROUND CHECK HAS BEEN DONE UNLESS YOU HAVE SERIAL NUMBER REGISTRATION OF THE WEAPON TIED TO BOTH THE SELLER AND THE BUYER????
Universal background checks sound like a no-brainer UNTIL you have to put in the registration requirement to enforce it.
Why is registration NOT supported? Simple. Because if there was a list of who owns what weapons then the government would know exactly who to go after if they ever chose a tyrannical path. The very reason for the existence of the 2nd amendment is to keep the threat of the armed citizenry as a disincentive to a government that tries to step beyond its powers. Registration would greatly simplify the task of eliminating that threat.
Any member of the House or the Senate (from other than the most left-leaning states) who is dumb enough to vite for registration is basically throwing away any chance of re-election.
On the other hand, if they pass a universal background check law without registration, then there is no way to enforce it. So what good is that?
Sorry lefties, but just because it looks good on paper does not make it so.
On the other hand, if you want to create an incentive for private sellers to do a background check then how about passing a law that allows a seller to be held civilly liable for damages comitted with any firearm that they sold UNLESS they provide evidence of a successful background check being done before the sale?
Will that get 100% of all sales? NO! But the incentive to cover one's a$$ would certainly get a great many more private sales going through the existing background check process. Between that, providing better information sharing, making harsher penalties for gun-related crimes AND ENFORCING THEM and improving mental health management and treatment you might actually improve things along the lines that you SAY you are aiming at.
HAD ENUF: I see, so you're perfectly content with the current system we have which is to say, virtually none at all. Sorry, but I can't be so sanguine about the slaughter that goes on in this country every day. If guns equated to a safe and civil society we'd be the most peaceful nation in the world. Instead, we lead the world in gun violence and by a wide margin.
Suddenly the Right who railed against Obama Care are strong proponents of "Mental Health Care", how convenient of you. This from the very same crowd that has never given a damn about mental health care in this country and refuses to provide funding from a GOP Congress which has no interest in it. Why should they when they have us, the taxpayers providing them with their own gold plated health care package.
Anything to avoid talking about the real problem, the rampant excess violence caused by GUNS, GUNS, GUNS. And please, spare me the tired NRA talking points, I've heard them all ad nausea. "Guns don't kill people......" "When guns are outlawed than I'll be an outlaw". And please, stop equating owning firearms to being a patriot. You are not Davey Crockett at the Alamo, or Colonial Militia Men at Lexington & Concord or Breed's Hill, or Kentucky Rifleman at the Battle of the Cowpens. You're just gun whackos, nothing more. There is nothing inate in owning firearms that makes you a patriot. Contray to your claims, you are not upholding my freedoms simply because you choose to have a small arsenal in your basement. Real freedom fighters combat poverty, illiteracy, child hunger, and bigotry and champion civil rights, education and tolerance. I see very little of this coming from the gun crowd. Not nearly as sexy as blasting away with your latest toy, now is it??? But there you have it, that's what creates and upholds true freedom, not amassing a huge weapons cache.
Why should they when they have us, the taxpayers providing them with their own gold plated health care package.
Kinda like - why would scum get a job when they have Freedom Fighters like you stealing my taxes to feed them?
Kinda like - your given a free education with my stolen money, so no excuse for illiteracy?
Kinda like - hungry kids cause mommas pumpin them out fast as she can to get Freedom Fighter drug money faster.
Kinda like - bs bigotry started the whole mess to begin with.
Kinda like - exploitation of civil rights, education and tolerance destroying a country.
Freedom Fighter my ass your a socialist.
How would Universal background checks work without a standardized, uniform Identification, that is used in all States and territories?
Right now the States determine there ID and Drivers License issuance requirements and they are not consistent.
The REAL ID act of 2005 was so supposed to address those concerns by setting national standards for ID issuance by the States, but of course the left is opposed to REAL ID, as well as many on the right, and some states have passed laws making issuing REAL ID illegal.
How will Universal background checks work without having Universal ID first?
Putting the cart before the horse as usual.
There's no way in hell that gun legislation wanted by 60% of Americans will ever pass, but there is a slight possibility that gun legislation wanted by 90% of Americans may manage to squeak through. Don't count your chickens though!
OMG....both harry Reid and pelosi belong in a rest home......these two have lost it....they are just hate filled....pelosi can barely talk without shaking and stuttering.