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Subscribe to RSSSenate Democrats are pushing forward with a plan to require all gun buyers to get a background check before they can buy a firearm.
"Later tonight, I will start the process of bringing a bill to reduce gun violence to the Senate floor. This bill will include the provisions on background checks, school safety and gun trafficking reported by the Judiciary Committee," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said in a statement Thursday evening.
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) speaks to the press after the weekly Senate Democrats policy luncheon on March 19, 2013 in Washington, DC.
But it's still far from certain that the Senate can pass the background check provision, now considered the centerpiece of President Barack Obama's gun control legislation. Senators are still negotiating the exact language to be used in that provision.
West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is still talking with Republicans about background checks-- and is in touch with the National Rifle Association -- in an attempt to find compromise language that could garner significant Republican support.
Senate aides say they'll substitute in that compromise language after the Senate returns from recess -- if they can achieve such a compromise.
A proposed assault weapons ban isn't part of the bill -- instead, it will be offered as an amendment.
"The bill I advance tonight will serve as the basis for opening debate. Once debate begins, I will ensure that a ban on assault weapons, limits to high-capacity magazines, and mental health provisions receive votes, along with other amendments," Reid said in his statement.
What does the Senate gun control bill do?
- Requires a background check for anyone who wants to buy a gun, closing the gun show loophole. This is the most contentious part of the bill, and senators are still trying to find a compromise that can pass the Senate.
- Makes gun trafficking a federal crime and increases penalties for people who buy a gun for someone else (known as "straw purchasing.") This provision has broad bipartisan support.
- Helps schools pay for infrastructure to make schools safer -- like reinforced doors -- and training programs for students, faculty and staff. This also has bipartisan support.
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Well this news should set the barrel lickers hair on fire! lol
Doesn't matter the majority of Americans and NRA members alike support tougher background checks, you can't cure terminal paranoia the gun nuts suffer from...
Sorry kids, your 2nd amendment right does NOT supersede my right to life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness, now matter how hard you stomp your widdle feet! & wet yourselves ;o)
Hello Feisty :)
NRA will be working overtime spreading their propaganda and paranoia now.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
can you believe that some states allow people with temp protective order issued against them to keep their guns???
Is that nuts or what?
Hey Bayllie,
Here's their number... call them crazy... 1.800.PARANOID! lol
Watch for the cries of "Obama Comin' Fer Yer Guns!" in 3, 2, 1...
Background checks should start with the NRA leadership !!!
yeah, background checks..yeah there is bipartisan support on this.
But my questions is how much personal info the Pig Brother wants to have about you. The big brother gets bigger each day.
By the way, in a recent senate hearing, responding to a senator's question, a government official said that there was no deliberate effort to put vast number of Americans under surveillance, but by accident, there might be vast number of Americans who have been put under surveillance. The Pig Brother is staring at your younger daughter growing up.
Don't blame Bush, Blame the PATRIOT Act.
Note: (pig brother = big brother in a pig's eyes)
No @!$%#! So sick of the "the government is coming for my guns" crap I could just hurl. I would like to tell all of the PARANOID gun owners that knowing you OWN a gun and post the @!$%# you do scares the hell out of me!!! What about my right to live in peace without worrying what will set you and your arsenal off some day? Don't tell me I don't respect or own guns. We have them in our home. They are registered and locked away. Two.
No background checks, no limits on magazines, shoulder launch RPG with background check, biological weapons with background checks......wait a minute.....no back ground checks........
(heavy sarcasm)
Back ground checks are a good start. It is equally important to stop the flow of guns to our streets. The straw man should be accountable for all purchases, the extended clips have no purpose for a civilian, and the assault type or military type weapons need to be baned. Lets take them off the street retroactively. Anyone caught with one needs to be put in jail, or under the ground. There is no civilian purpose for these weapons.
And I am so sick of the lie that "nobody want to take your guns" that I could just hurl. Feinstein's own words, look it up.
Layton, What I am sick of is people claiming to be law abiding citizens. One wrong squeeze of the trigger ends all that. If they were law abiding citizens they wouldn't own these weapons. They serve no other purpose then to kill humans.
ta-da...here they come!
Feisty, how does the fact that I own firearms infringe on your right to life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness? Please enlighten me.
Johntho
But yet I have 35 guns & two trigger fingers. I guess I'm just a savage killer waiting to happen , right? What a panty waisted little bitch.
bayllie said
What the hell is your problem? She said it! How does that make me paranoid? Are you saying she lied?
Bayllie,
Give it a few more minutes, the rest of the pack of paranoids will be here trying to twist this into being somehow equal to abortion & voter fraud! lol
If nothing else, they are SOOO predictable! lol
*popcorn*???
This is like putting lipstick on a Pig, but you still have a Pig !!!
It's time for the Teapubcons to stop playing their silly games with our children's life's !!!
F-the NRA !!!
@ Johntho
Since you care so much about law abiding citizens, lets make sure that those caught DUI, get rid of their cars and licenses, as obviously they care little for human life. Also, why don't you take away a families welfare support if they're caught in welfare fraud. I mean they care so little about the rest of us paying for it, they obviously can give that up.
You are less than brilliant. Maybe a weak 2-1/2 watts
Mr steady, no guns in the room no one gets shot, one gun in the room your chance increase to 100% and if two or more guns in the room your chances of being involved in a gun fight are 100%. Thats how, your right to bare arms, infringes on my right to feel safe and secure. Here is another fun fact for you. With a gun you are 22 times more likely to shoot yourself or somebody you know then to be an actual victim of a violent crime. You know? Common sense would tell you to leave the gun home when you go to your sons hockey game or your daughters recital. Common sense just isn't common in the NRA.
seaskip
great bumper sticker!
Zappas, I am not going to fall for your diverson, the subject is gun and my right to feel safe.
It's time for the Teapubcons to stop playing their silly games with our children's life's !!!
Really? 40% of all gun owners are DemoRATS & 43% of gun owners are women. What's with the Lefts war on women protecting themselves?
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
or maybe they won't because they're in their basements right now cleaning their guns. But tomorrow for sure.
No men in the room, no one gets raped, one man in the room your chances increase to 100%.
Who is your next victim?
Bayllie, and Feisty, do you EVER have anything constructive to say or do you just sling stupid, silly insults?
Damn, you people are pathetic.
No deerhunter what that makes you is an idiot.
Mr. steady, I would like to remind you the subject is guns, rape is another program.
Deerhunterbow1
and yet they want background checks, go figure. Kinda like those millioners/billioners supporting Obama - you know- the guy who wanted to raise their taxes.
Some people don't mind giving up something to better the community.
Red, I wouldn't waste Popcorn on them !!!
Mr. Steady, I might not be brilliant but I am not dumb enough to think I am safer because I have a gun. But of course you being a PHD in your field you would try to change the subject to rape.
Mr. Steady,
She may have said it and I'm not going to look it up.
The issue that I was making reference to is the posters that come on these boards and continue to state that EVERY thing that has to do with guns is somehow directed at taking their guns away. That is NOT the intent and you all know it. But blubbering on and on about your second amendment rights, the President (Obeyme, Oblamo, etc.) calling me an idiot, libtard, low information voter, etc and then bragging about the arsenals they have scares me to death!
Responsible gun owners are one thing. While I don't own the guns, they are in my home and registered. I have NO problem with that.
I do have a problem with many that post stating their desire is to take back the country and they've got the weapons to do so. Where are my rights when they decide to flip out? When they start shooting because they feel it is now their unalienable right to do so, who's looking after MY rights??
I have the right to NOT live in fear because of paranoids with guns.
I'm not going to spend the afternoon convincing you that maybe just maybe people ought to think of their neighbors. All I have seen on any of these posts about guns are those that are paranoid emphatically telling people like me that my rights are secondary to theirs and I'm sick of it.
I didn't expect you to get the analogy to your ridiculous statement, Jontho.
Layton:
She DID say it and the only reason you won't look it up is because you are afraid to.
Who is the paranoid one? And don't lump me in with the extremists.
Mr.Steady
are you offended that I pointed out that you are one of the "guvernment is gonna take my guns" propagandists?
It's sounds like you got offended for being singled out? Why?
@deerhunter,
"But yet I have 35 guns & two trigger fingers. I guess I'm just a savage killer waiting to happen , right? (expletive deleted)"
Seems to me like we need yearly mental health checks to keep your guns, how does that provision sound? Then I wouldn't mind if you had 300 guns like that guy in New York (who will end up doing 3.5 years).
Mr. Steady. . .
Bull@!$%#. I can't believe you can read an entire post and then sum it all up by telling me I'm afraid. Get a grip and a life. (By the way, I don't lump you in with the extremists)
deerhunter . . .
THAT is exactly what I'm talking about. How do we know what might just set you off one day? Your paranoia is a telling sign to the beginning of mental illness . . .
I wouldn't expect a big, burly, barrel licker like yourself to fall victim.... LMAO!
WHAAAAA!
Someone call Mr. Unsteady a WHAAAAMBULANCE!
Sadly, today in Southgate MI, a middle school student took his own life a school with a 9mm Glock. According to reports, he got the gun at home. It was unsecured. This has nothing to do with bg checks, assault weapons or large magazines. What it does have something to do with is gun responsibility. Think about it.
Deer hunter, I am a democrat and I own 5 or 6 guns from shot gun to rifle. I have owned a hand gun but decided that it wouldn't do the damage that a shot gun would. One shot is all I need, want to try me find my door and kick it in. <----- I am using that as an example, no harm is intended or served.
But I also see the necessity to do something, anything. We kill a lot of people with guns, not rape and not nearly as many as a dui. Some rapes are done at the point of a gun. Hmmmm
What I don't see is a need to own any kind of weapon that can go into a school and kill 20 little kids and 6 adults including himself, in a matter of a few minutes. You want to over throw this government the founders that you are so fing proud of put us to a vote. You want to over throw the government, Vote.
Oooooo, Slap down Layton, I wonder if he will catch on?
Mr.Steady
Do you have ANY proof that the government is going to take your guns?????? Show me proof, you can't, can you? yet you keep repeating the NRA talking points? Guess what, your irrational and persistent feeling that somone or something is 'out to get you' makes you paranoid.
You did the same thing. Don't be a hypocrite. And your quote in 1.34 was not by me.
I'm pissed because I hate that you people accuse me of a being a propogandist when I tell you a fact. If Dianne Feinstein said it in her own words and she is the one proposing the bills, then I have every right to be concerned.
10 to 1 the guy's bullsh!t. I don't believe him even for a minute. And even if it's true, if you need 35 guns to feel safe, you need to seek help.
"And I am so sick of the lie that "nobody want to take your guns" that I could just hurl"
That "nobody wants.." statement could have been said better. It should have been "nobody wants to take ALL your guns". So sorry it wasn't. I haven't heard anybody say they want to take your guns. I HAVE heard them say they want to take SOME of your guns. I also believe these same people STILL insist you don't get to go out and buy medium or high-yield nuclear weapons. What the hell are they, COMMIES? Anti-amendment-two enemies??
C'mon, idigits- let's try to debate this whole thing with just a tad bit of honesty, can we??? (y' listening, Wayne? Nugent? Anyone??
bayllie, here is your proof. Don't be in such denial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_LaBJvI0BI
Well all I can say is I see who the people that are paranoid are. lmao
baylie - the NRA and gun manufacturers are as happy as pigs in slop over this. Gun sales have never been better and nothing has been done as of yet. I guess when you have the misinformed stupidity to manipulate, the job is pretty damn easy. 30 years ago, the same thing was on the table yet not even a fraction of the furor this is causing today. I wonder why? Anyone care to take a guess?
In another sad instance today, a father accidentally shot and killed his 10 month old son. But hey, guns don't kill people.
seaskip -Background checks should start with the NRA leadership !!! No darlin, that's where we should start with the mental health checks. They'd all fail.
Mr. Steady - You and others like you are LaPierre's favorites - you'll buy the "government's gonna steal my guns" stupidity every time!
Mr. Steady . . .
If there is one phrase in the English language that makes me see red it is this . . .
YOU people. I was posting back and forth with you. Made a clear distinction between you and deerhunter and then you turn around, call me a hypocrite and lump me into some YOU people category.
Good grief!
Really? Do you have proof of that, or did you just pull it out of your farthole?
Layton,
A question for you. Earlier you stated
THAT is exactly what I'm talking about. How do we know what might just set you off one day? Your paranoia is a telling sign to the beginning of mental illness . . .
Why are you paranoid that a deerhunter is going to be set off? It seems that you believe that all gun owners are mentally unstable and something will set them off and there will be wholesale destruction in the streets. Isn't this a somewhat paranoid thought pattern?
I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm actually trying to foster respectful discourse and then maybe at some point we (us and them whoever they may be) can maybe find a solution to the violence that persists in our society. The pro-gun crowd the insults the anti-gun crowd, and vice versa, do nothing to solve the problem and just further drive a wedge between people that may come up with meaningful solutions together.
Full disclosure, I'm a gun-owner, would probably be considered a conservative, but I also am probably a lot more liberal in some areas.
Don't know who said it first but, Common Sense, Common Decency and Common Courtesy are no longer common in our society. Maybe if we at least started with comon courtesy the other two commons would start being common again.
tonybeeerm
unfortunately, that is the reality and that's why the NRA keeps feeding its propaganda to feed their bottom line.
Who is "Ronald Reagan"?
The background check for private sales is what they're actually trying to push. This is nonsensical and completely unenforceable but the anti gun dullards think this will help something. Exactly what it will help, they can't answer, but it's sure to help something.
Wait for the anti gunners to try to sneak a national registration requirement into this, which is their true goal. After all, you can't confiscate them if you don't know where they are.
Making gun trafficking a federal crime and increasing penalties, go right ahead. Prosecuting gun crimes under the Obama administration is at an all time low. They've repeatedly demonstrated an obsession for more anti gun laws while loathing any enforcement of existing laws.
Let them turn schools into fortresses, means nothing to me, and this too will be discovered to be a very expensive exercise in futility.
Believe it or not drive by, people are listening, and I am glad. Kooks have run this country into the ground. We listened to them. They have robed the middle class of their wealth and prosperity and they are not done trying to rob us of some more through the social security safety net. There is no urgency that is fictitious.
The gun nuts are in the minority here, in this country. Right now is the time to knock them back. Not all guns but guns capable of shooting 20 lst graders and 6 adults in less then a few minutes.
I think the Senate bill they are working on is a common sense bill.
I would like assault weapons banned too.
I like that there will be amendments proposed so all Senators can vote up or down.
I want our children to be safe at school, the park, the mall. I want our police to be in charge of safety in my community, not some guy who thinks he is a Clint Eastwood gunslinger.
Gun owners, I want them to be responsible, secure their guns, making sure their children or grandchildren cannot access them.
Common sense instead of hyper fear and rhetoric.
RR-1540197 . . .
Fair question. You can be and feel whatever you'd like. I find it very interesting that people state so many personal things on these boards and then wonder why people make the assumptions they do. Deerhunter for instance - 35 guns and two trigger fingers. Okay. Possibly I own guns would have made more sense but to embellish with the number and two trigger fingers. What do you think the intent of that post was? I doubt it was to let us know his hunting prowess.
Now this . . .
Entirely different animal. I have stated repeatedly that I have guns in my home. My friends and family hunt and own guns as well. The posters that continually speak of their arsenals and hatred of the government are those that concern me. That is not a paranoid thought pattern. That is something every American should be concerned about.
And by the by, common sense has never been common. Too many people talk first and listen second when it should be the other way around.
Correct! Even after being nearly killed by an assassin, he still stood firmly against gun control. Of course, he was heavily funded by the You Know Who. And a close friend of Charlton "cold dead hands" Heston. Also, I don't recall a rush for assault type weapons back then. There were still plenty of sportsman hunters. Ever since that's been shrinking, the manufacturers have had to find a new market. Nothing sells like fear and paranoia.
I'm so glad I live in Idaho. It is indeed getting a little cluttered with folks you can obviously spot, who are not from here or the Northwest. Many flatlanders who have no clue about rural life, and you can tell they have issues, as they haven't even the slightest knowledge to even get a jump from someone in the same parking lot. Nope, they just wander aimlessly waiting for the rescue guy they call to pay $50 to get their car started. And whats funnier still, the guy who shows up to jump them is even scarier looking than anyone in the lot.
Haven't heard how the criminals get their hands on weapons. Perhaps from the 'law abiding' who can do it!
Actually Tony, Saint Reagan was for an assault weapons ban;
Did Reagan support an assault-weapons ban?
Then again, Saint Reagan would be rode out of the GNOP on a rail by the current batch on nuts currently controlling the once Grand Old Party! lol
I'm glad you live in Idaho too?
@ RR
Great post. All you have to do is look at about the first 5 posts to know where common courtesy and decency went out the window
Here's another one, johntho:
" But hey, guns don't kill people...."
I love this one. Gives me an idea: "Drugs don't kill people. People that TAKE drugs kill people (ususally, themselves)". Therefore, drugs should immediately be legalized. I mean, isn't that the logic??
ISN'T IT??
Once again, here is my view on the issue of gun control. While I support the 2nd Amendment I also believe no one needs a so called assault weapon or mega clip for the ammo. For those who spread the fear that the government is out to get them one can ask what would the government want with them out of the way? If, by some stretch of the imagination, the government did happen to want to take one of those fraidy cats out they could do so very easily. One could disappear without a trace and no one would know what happened. In a century or so archaeologists would find bones in the desert or at the bottom of the ocean and they would be the bones of the fraidy cat. If they don't use that tactic all the arsenal of the fraidy cats would do them no good. The govt. could put a bullet or something up the fraidy cat's anal sphincter before they know what hit them.
One of the reasons for the increase in violent crime is the lack of jobs. When people have no job they get desperate and desperate people will often to whatever they think it will take to survive including taking the life of someone else.
No one is advocating taking all of someone's firearms away but a sensible solution that can go a long way to curbing violence. It won't be the only solution but can be a major contributer. In several polls most Americans seem to favor Sen. Feinstein's bill. Congress needs to have the guts to oppose the gun lobby regardless how much money they spend to buy the votes of Congress.
If you ever come to Idaho John, you will find people who don't walk around in fear all the time. And most folks here know there is a possibility that someone in the next booth @ the restaurant they're eating at is packing, and could care less.
@Fisty
And your 1st amendment right does NOT supersede our right to read troll-free posts. Strange how you used the term "right to life", since that's not really part of the Liberal platform (if you know what I mean).
Anyhow, I think it's the anti-gun nuts that are pouting right now. They know there's next to no chance that any expanded background checks bill will make it through both the senate and the house-- and there's a 0.0000% chance that "assault-style" weapons or standard capacity (30 round) magazines will be banned. Sorry folks, nothing to see here. Just another symbolic vote to enact the exact same legislation that expired because it had no effect on gun violence. Statistically speaking, banning hammers and clubs would be over 2X as effective in reducing murders.
By the way, isn't it strange how the Liberal platform fights for the rights of certain groups, while trying to limit the rights of other groups? That's just as bad as what the tea party nut-jobs do to women and the LGBT community, yet you think you're superior? Sadly, you're nothing but a Liberal equivalent of Glen Beck.
Feisty: thanks for the info. I stand corrected. But they won't believe you.
Exactly Skrewball...Just see Colorado..Legalize Dope, ban a gun...March on like a good little Proletariat..
Drivel By, LIke my Avatar...Vote me up if you hate... :0)
I like the Pigotry post....she acknowledges Big Brother which was, according to Biden, based on his counter terrorism bill. Funny though, Big Brother happens when citizens are disarmed and can't fight back, kinda like what happened to Germany under that great and compassionate socialist good ol' Adolf.
Anyone who thinks there is no background check has never bought a gun legally. PERIOD.
By the way trolls, the NRA was founded to arm blacks in the south against good democrats who were in white sheets known as the KKK.
ZappasUtopia
sorry to break your heart but the Sun does not revolve around Idaho but instead Idaho is 1 of 50 pieces of a puzzle.
So tell me, why do you expect everyone else to be like Idaho?
It's either universal background check or it's the status quo and obviously status quo does not work.
So people in Idaho are that dumb? If there is a loaded gun in the room you are not as safe as if there wasn't one there. Can you understand the basic concept? Look if you have to wear gun you are a coward in my opinion, not the person that don't wear a gun. Zappas, remind me to stay in my safe Michigan, although there is a move on to arm teachers even here. Why would you want a kid to go to school in an armed encampment? What to do at Recess, should it be held indoors? Fear is a funny thing, it effects different people different ways. What does it mean when somebody while having the choice chooses not to wear a gun?
Feisty,
didn't the righties already deemed him senile for something else? Poor Ronnie...
Some drugs ARE legalized, because they are proven not to adversely affect health. Some are legal, even though they do adversely affect health. Marijuana, for example, is like the AR-15 of drugs. Inexplicably demonized because some people don't think you have a right to it.
Oh, and guns don't kill people. I have an entire safe full of firearms and have for years. Turns out, I actually have to interact with them, or they'll just sit there. Same with all the knives in my kitchen drawers. Same with the saws and hammers I have in my garage. They are inanimate objects that one most wield and manipulate to inflict harm on another person. Of course, you could just use your fists (which kill 30x more people than "assault weapons" do). So you can see, your logic is flawed.
Oh My!
Some little troll has a superiority complex! lmao
Tell me again who is physically forcing you to read what I write?
Let alone getting so upset by it, you have to respond with worn out squawking points, little buddy? tee hee!
By the way, get back to me when you find some fresh rhetoric!
The @!$%# you're laying down, no longer is being picked up by anyone other then you right wing nitwits!
Stuff it pal!
No kidding Tony!
Deaf, dumb & blind is NO way for these trolls to go through life! ;o)
But hey, whatever keeps them content is cool with me!
Adler- very well put!
CA- ????? Can you score me some of what you're on?? Y' don't make any sense whatsoev...HEY! Look over THERE! A toy broom!!
'K, idiot- now go crazy (some more).
I like your avatar CA, it's a good picture of you, pretty fancy duds, much better than an old white toga I imagined you would be wearing.
ngiotta
tell that to the parents of the 20 children whose bodies were disfigured by bullets...one boy had a jaw shut off for crying out loud.
yeah, ngiotta, fits are just like AR-15...
" So you can see, your logic is flawed."
Boy, I sure can. IF I get pissed at work, I can take a hammer (probably the 2.5 pounder, maybe the ball-peen) and kill 20 or 30 people before they can take me down. THEN, I can, in an act of total cowardice, use one to kill myself, before they can apprehend me and find out what the hell I was thinking.
Yes, yes- Logic, indeed. NRA logic, at least.
Hey, speaking of things logical: anyone know why Palin hasn't joined the fray to promote the right to "arm bears"?
Feisty: I have the solution, and I think it will fix everything.
The people who say they are prolife go about setting up all kinds of intrusive things to humiliate and degrade women in crisis who are trying to control their own reproductive health.
Let's do the same. Every law they have enacted against women is also applied to those who want to buy guns.
And men....good luck with those internal exams.
[LIke my Avatar...]
Cluster Fukkus, your avatar is blurry, no one can tell WTF it is...much like your mind.
Don't forget to kiss your guns tonight Cacafuego, and kiss them goodbye. They will be gone before you know it...
Just let your "kids" out of the gun safe before you crawl back into your hole for the night.
Ok DBO if I ever hear you singing "if I had a hammer", I'm getting the hell out of there.
LMAO, New Day!
From the sound of these gun loving nuts, I think an evasive prostrate exam should be a mandatory priority! ;o)
Then let's see how willing they are to trash talk!
Let them put their @!$%#s where their mouths are currently residing!
I must admit it's refreshing to read all the left wing horse pucky on this site. Lead Left Wing Loon and standard bearer Feisty continues to eat popcorn while tossing insults at anyone with an opposing point of view, and completely avoiding rational discussion. Oh, yes, this is certainly the place for reasonable discussion... especially if you're a masochist and have a secret dark desire to suffer verbal castration by the kind hearted, all inclusive "Progressive Left". Hypocritical bunch of a-wholes, ain't they?
Well here's the thing: the left will NEVER win this argument. 300 million guns already in the US, and more flying off the shelf at the gun stores that can't even keep up with the demand.
Suggestion to lefties: all your snide insults and derogatory, marginalizing comments only serve to piss people off. You're not winning any converts, as if that's your intention.
WOW, you win...
See I'll explain it...Colorado just passed a gun ban...and recently legalized pot...If you weren't so enamored with your own dialog, you could have take the time to just look it up....sorry BRO, no monosyllables..I have no desire to harm another human being so calling me a nut or whack job is really comical..and even funnier that you equate a gun owner (nut) to being even more unhinged...Thats fine you view in that light...I'll take pride in it..But when I see you on the TEEVEE with FISTY ROSELLE in body armor in that bell tower......
CHeer up Drivel By Lifes good..
Hey Mickey, You can tell what my Avatar is..lying is really unbecoming..I will kiss my guns...after my wife and kids...the fact that you have to attack my kids shows you who the real pussy is..LIke i said cowboy, September...I'll meet you at RTI..i'll bring the kids ;o) I want to show them what a Libtard is...
[...the fact that you have to attack my kids...]
Attack your kids? That's a stretch, even for you, cluster fukkus. How does it feel to be "owned"?
Now it's time for you to punch that clock, just make sure you show your boss how much you ripped him off for today.
The background checks are to see if you got a high school education in Detroit, Mi., Flint, Mi., Rockford, Ill, Chicago, Ill., Modesto, Ca., Vallejo, Ca., Warren, Mi., Stockton, Ca., Lake County, Ill., New York, NY., Toledo, OH., St. Louis, Mo., Camden, NJ., Milwaukee, Wi., Atlantic City, NJ., Atlanta, Ga., Cleveland, Ohio, Poughkeepsie, NY, Gary, Indiana, and Youngstown, Ohio. If you're from those areas, but didn't complete high school, or demonstrate average literacy at grade level, you may be denied a gun purchase, but there are Progressive Political appointments available in your district.
wow MICKEY...a guy saying he wants to fvck me = me getting OWNED.. U MAD that is what happens to you...im not going to Burning Man, i just want to see you call me a pussy to my face...do it in front of my kids too ;o)...
Talk is cheap cowboy or should i say ASS (Thats American Shlt Stain) thanks to Simple Theory for that one
@CA #1.84,
I want to show them what a Libtard is.
Nice language skills you're teaching your kids.
I feel sorry for them.
[...thanks to Simple Theory for that one...]
Like I told you before, that's because you're too stupid to come up with it on your own.
[i just want to see you call me a pussy to my face]
Aww, isn't that cute...caesar is starting an internet fight with me.
I must admit, that when I pull a troll out of the basement, it gives me great pleasure, Tony , D! LMAO
BTW - does the "D" stand for dumbfux? lol
"... tossing insults at anyone with an opposing point of view, and completely avoiding rational discussion"
HEY! Leave my girlfriend Augustass outta this!!
"'K, idiot- now go crazy (some more).
WOW, you win..."
Hey, I DID, didn't I? Thanky, 'mam. Thanky kindly.
"..snide insults and derogatory, marginalizing comments only serve to piss people off. You're not winning any converts, as if that's your intention."
Saaayyy....I wonder if this runs both ways??
As long as they make this one retroactive to 2009 and send Holder, Clinton, and Obama to prison.
It'll never pass the House if it makes it thru the Senate. No Republican will vote for it.
Speaking of kids- CA was twins.
The after-birth lived, I hear.
Oh, dang- here he comes agian. DUCK!
"...a guy saying he wants to fvck me.."
Guy didn't say he WANTED to, guy asked if it was TIME to.
(ok, kids- hide and watch for the next CA post. Should be fun...)
'BTW - does the "D" stand for dumbfux? lol'
No, I think it stands for TWO dumbfux.
At least.
To Wayne LaPierre - "Hi Wayne, I was hoping you'd go hunting with me this weekend. Please make sure to wear bright orange - my eyes aren't what they used to be."
Dick Cheney
I wonder if this will be another bill from Democrats that will first need to be passed so everyone can find out what is in it? Do you think it will make it legal to shoot off a couple shotgun rounds from your back porch like Biden recommends? All Reid is trying to do is save some face, since he couldn't garner the Democrat votes to pass an assault weapons ban. Any sane person knows it is the shape and color of a gun that makes them more dangerous to society. I am surprised Reid hasn't tried to blame his inability to pass restrictive gun legislation on the Sequester, which is about the only thing he hasn't yet blamed on the sequester. Of course it is probably foolish to think that Senate Democrats can't pass more stringent gun laws because they all know they won't work anyway. After all its the murderer not the gun stupid.
Would love to. It would give me great pleasure to see you start crying like a baby because you couldn't do anything about it. And don't even go on about kids. A d--kless clown such as yourself couldn't produce one, thank god.
How many people are in this room? So little information.
Hey Steve Herbert, what's the high school gradeeation rate in Buttcrack, Kentucky where you live?
Don't worry folks stricter gun legislation will come to bear, this is just the beginning of a new cycle, certain types of guns have been regulated and then deregulated in our past, and they will be regulated again, because the majority of the electorate wants more regulation again, it may take more time than many would have hoped but the majority of the electorate will eventually get what it wants. As soon as the politicians are made to fear the electorate more than the lobbyists things will go as the electorate demands, when you vote the politician out of office you render the lobbyist helpless. If the majority of the electorate truly wants more regulation on assault type weapons all they have to do is make the politicians fear them more than they fear the NRA and the legislation will get passed.
TonyD . . .
And that's because people like YOU scare the hell out of the rest of us. When will those that think this is a party issue learn to read?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57564386-10391739/9-in-10-back-universal-gun-background-checks/
NINETY-TWO percent of this country want something done about gun control. They want background checks and to feel safer at night when they sleep.
What the hell are you proposing? What is Simple Theory proposing? Do you go to dinner parties and discuss this and turn around and tell 9 out of 10 of the people in the room that their thoughts don't matter?
I don't have a great problem with backgrount checks, I already think it's a federal crime to run guns (maybe we should ask the DOJ though), but I don't think you are going to get any value for the money on school reinforcements- face it, build a better door and the perp will use the window, build a better window and the perp will drive through the side of the wall or blow it up, etc. Like Adam Lanza's police briefing the other morning noted- he had a spreadsheet of mass murderers and wanted to be the worst of the worst. That's why he picked a school. A person so twisted doesn't worry about deterents- You throw one roadblock in their way and they'll pick another route, it's that simple. He was researching the easiest route to go and took it. Pathetic, shameful, and clearly mentally derranged.
Work on the mental health end if you asked me.
JoeNY - the mental health issue is definitely a big one. Hopefully a thorough background check would reveal serious mental health issues. Of course there would be some it wouldn't find but if we can stop one Lanza from killing 20 children - it's well worth it.
NRA members need Gatling guns for Hunting, non-members only need one shot, just ask that jacka$$ Dick Cheney one of the NRA's top Members !!!
SS current HIPPA laws will prevent mental health being any part of the background check and HIPPA isn't likely to be overturned or amended.
Redhead,piggy and baylee all of the same nut job this bill will keep the guns out of his hands.
Thank you Harry Reid this bill could not come any sooner.
lololol
tonybeeerm... The list was in order, of America's 20 most miserable cities for 2013, the article on which was published as a news item about a month ago, by this news. It was not just a general news item, but a brief synopsis of each individual city, and what put it on "the miserable" index. If you go research the census information for each of those cities, and then apply that data to crime statistics, your sample population will represent well over 10 million people, far greater than a Gallup Poll, or similar survey population sample. Once you have the name of a city, you can also find out other data, for instance party affiliation of elected representatives, etc. Both Chicago and New York City have Progressive leadership, and have for some time, and those two population centers would account for well better than 10 million in "miserable living" standards, an easily discernible notion that Progressive philosophies are not working, and have not worked for some time.
There is some good news tonight. Chicago is shutting down a number of schools, and consolidating the students with other classrooms. It's suppose to address better than a billion dollars in school debt. No one is claiming that the school children's test scores will raise. I doubt that the teacher's union has even pondered raising the students test scores for decades anyway.
wgrider ....
HIPPA laws be damned ... the focus on information sharing on ALL patients is up and moving. HIPPA ain't going to helpa. :) Every provider wants to see what the last one provided and trust me, every State is taking those HIPPA monies and moving forward. You might want to check with YOUR PCP and make sure you opt out!
Did you ever see a deer hunter hunting with a NRA patch on him, the answer is no, "Know why" they would get laughed out of the woods !!!
When I see a NRA decal on the back window of a pickup truck I get the hell out of the woods "Danger zone" !!!
The NRA has become an irresponsible gun nut club, we don't need this !!!
I believe in the right to bear arms, but not the way the NRA is going about it !!!
We need a bill saying no more than 10 round magazines and 100% background checks !!!
I propose that there is no need for more laws. Especially knee-jerk ineffective ones which does not address the issue that was the real cause of why the loons think we need more laws in the first place.
I propose the do-nothing leftists are making a lot of noise and wasting time to deflect from the fact that they suck at governance. Put another way...SSDD
From the Hill:
Law abiding citizens should not be held hostages by criminals. There is no legitimate reason to force them into a govt database because someone else broke the law.
I propose that until Bloomersberg and Joe "gaffe a minute" Biden give up their armed guards then they should stop telling us we don't need what they have.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH! SHUT UP PAPPA SMURF, YOUR SENILITY IS SHOWING!
The “ban” on assault weapons did absolutely NOTHING for 10 years between 1994 and 2004, but of course the limp-wristed little Libbies just do things based on their bleeding-heart emotions. It just feels good to take more Rights from the law abiding citizens as the criminals laugh in their faces.
Magazine clip restrictions will just give the advantage to the criminals. In New York you can only have a 7 round clip, I’m sure all the Barrack Hussein thugs in will be running to give up their high-capacity magazines.
Now, let’s talk about the mental health provisions.
THIS IS FOR YOU LIBBIES! I HAVE POSTED THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES AND NONE OF YOU 2ND AMENDMENT HATERS SEEM TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT!!!!!!!
As commendable as background checks are, how do we fix this little problem as far as mental health provisions? You gun-haters don’t understand how difficult identifying these “nut cases” will be. Jerod Loughner and Seung Hui Cho, Adam Lanza and James Holmes are perfect examples of this. All had mental health issues and none were caught by the system.
Following are the main excerpts from the article linked below that describes the reality of the NCIS being able to identify the massive amount of mental health in our nation.
So, despite having the back ground check done Loughner was still able to buy a gun.
More importantly as the article states,,,
The National Center for State Courts and SEARCH, the National Consortium for Justice Information and Statistics, estimate that the NICS Index should contain more than 2 million disqualifying mental illness records, according to the Brady campaign.
This is compounded by this statistic from the National Institute of Mental Health.
Here’s the problem.
The National Center for State Courts and SEARCH, the National Consortium for Justice Information and Statistics, estimate that the NICS Index should contain more than 2 million disqualifying mental illness records.
But the NIMH states we have about 57.7 million Americans that suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder.
So, do we just ignore the other 55.7 million Americans that suffer from mental illness? Or do we require all those 55.7 million other Americans are included.
And if that’s the case, do all 313 million Americans have to undergo mental health testing? If so, who is going to be responsible for testing this massive amount of people?
What if someone is tested and found to be mentally competent and then goes out and still kills a group of people? Who is responsible? The shooter? The Psychiatrist/psychologist? The gun dealer? The government?
I don’t think many people understand the enormity of the statement, “keeping mentally unfit people from buying guns with background checks”.
Oh, by the way Pappa Smurf, what are the other amendments you want to pass? More pork because of all the “sequester effects that don’t allow you criminals to hand out more of our money? Or maybe some bribes like you gave Landrieu, Nelson and Sanders to pass Obamacare?
rgsdca1965
Could you, please, write complete sentences so the rest of us can understand what the f*ck you are trying to say? Are you a product of a red state education system?
Feisty...."Sorry kids, your 2nd amendment right does NOT supersede my right to life..."
LOL! And your right to life doesn't supersede my right to defend my life.
"2nd amendment right"? There is no 2nd amendment right. The right to defend one's life against unjustified assault is a human right. That right is inalienable and existed for thousands of years before the Constitution was written.
Imagine that, a liberal wanting to deny people their human rights. Doesn't get anymore twisted.
Feisty,
I don't get it. You get the first comment probably 50% of the time on these articles. You start out with inflammatory comments, comments of no value that are a lot of times not related to the subject or consist of office banter with other posters in your office, and never post much of an opinion or argument, yet you get voted up like crazy and never get deleted or collapsed.
I guess the question is, do you have anything of value to add, ever?
I don't see what is inflammatory about Feisty's comment. It looks like some people can't handle the truth that Feisty speaks!!! You Know, FACTS!
Mr.Steady
sorry that I did not reply to your Youtube "smoking gun" but I missed it.
We have 3 branches of government for a reason: CHECKS AND BALANCES. Congressmen propose bills, then they vote on them, and based on the number of votes, they either pass or not. If they pass, then the POTUS has to sign the bill or veto it. Then its legality can be challenged at the Supreme Court level....
so you see, you are paranoid because one person has NO POWER to take your guns.
Just because there are Republicans obsessed with VAGINAS, should I start be paranoied that the guberment is going to knock on my door and take POSSESSION OF MY VAGINA???
Think about what you are saying!!!! That is why we look at people like you as paranoid.
@ BaylLIE
That is pretty funny. Where in my post did I say I expect the rest of the 50 to be like Idaho. Way to put words in my post. Where in any of my posts have I said I don't believe in background checks? Where baylLIE????????
Let me reiterate. Most folks in Idaho aren't walking around in fear that someone sitting next to them may be packing. LOL
Because I have bad grammar I must be from a red state?
It must be tough having a split personality.
Who are you going be today?
Hi haggisbingo,
This is GREAT!!!
Feisty says:
Yet, you don't give a damn about THIS baby's right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mphTfAHa9c
Job1,
Of course you don't see anything inflammatory. Barrel lickers, hair on fire, terminal paranoia, gun nuts, "stomp your widdle feet". Since I read it again, I see what she speaks, but it isn't truth or facts, it's all worthless, no-value, inflammatory drivel. I guess I'm not so surprised you can't see it for what it is.
Feisty is a liberal, posting on an avowed liberal website.
She has the tacit support of the editors, moderators etc.
Don't let it bother you, just keep hitting them back with the TRUTH.
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That sets them off like wildfire.
.
Says the guy who enjoys calling women @!$%#s on this board!
Oh the IRONY! lol
Save you holier then thou bull@!$%# for someone who might believe it...
This lefty liberal isn't buying your damaged goods!
rgsdca1965
yet, you don't deny it...interesting.
I'm not asking you to be Hemmingway but an occasional period would be nice because right now your post looks like a diarrhea of random words.
I'm going to give you a little advice: when you try to insult someone, make sure you do it in a coherent way so people can understand. That's all I'm sayin'.
Still against background checks. Gotta love it. The only civilized nation where a criminal can legally buy a gun. Yay NRA. Protecting the rights of criminals.
Well we know the Senate will pass it. We can only hope the House has the coconuts to stand up for freedom and the Constitution and block this catastrophic law.
Trynka said:
Wrong. The criminal cannot legally buy a gun. Breaking the law is breaking the law. Why don't we enforce the laws we have?
What I find fascinating is for almost 250 years this country has owned guns.
Now we have a group that wants to ban guns. If you want to live in a country where guns are banned aren't there enough to choose from where you can relocate to?
Why do WE always have to change for YOUR benefit?
If you don't like the United States and what it stands for and the rights we have you are welcome to relocate. In fact I will pay for your one-way ticket.
I wonder how many of you could pass a back ground check?
Bayllie:
So I should just roll over and let them propose what ever they want to because none of the other Senators, and God forbid our President, is jumping on her bandwagon are they? You would just love for us to become complacent while they take a little bit at a time. It's not paranoia to fight for what I believe in. You are just that naive to believe she is the only one that feels that way. It must suck to be such a pathetic sheep.
I don't know, should you? I sure hear enough about the so called republican "war on women". Should I start using that as justification to call people paranoid?
rgsdca1965:
Just did, and in the process of another one. So, please explain to me why I should be denied the right to have as many firearms of whatever type I want just because a couple of nutjobs abused their rights? Should we deny you the right to alcohol because someone else got drunk and killed someone? Should we deny you the right to a camera because someone used one for child pornography? I really fail to comprehend why there is such a double standard.
Here is a FACT for you Second Amendment Lovers. England and Canada have never been invaded by a country with guns and there people are not allowed to carry guns. However English land was overrun by rebels with guns because they did not like the way they were being ruled, any one want to guess who did that? That same group of rebels also tried to invade Canada! They started there own Country. Because of GUNS. What where the British after at Concord and Lexington?
I can pass a bacjground check no problem.
Mr Steady good for you I'm pro gun and getting my ccw .
I wonder how many of the anti gun nuts could pass a back ground check?
Yep. Good. Glad to see progress. Limiting the number of rounds in magazines should also pass.
LOL.....
Gotta love the Progressives' strategy....pass it WITHOUT a ban on assault weapons.....that will be DISCUSSED LATER or embedded into completely different legislation.
Yep, there is bickering going on in the Progressive circles:
First, it was Axelrod and Emanuel.
Now, it is Reid and Feinstein.
Next, it will be Peppermint Patty and Pelosi over not enough spending and taxes in the Progressive budget.
Then, it will be Mr. Obama and Mr. Canary on who will be able to use the teleprompters.
Wow, keep up the good work Progressives.
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Two things which are dinosaurs: Progressives and Unions.
@ hs321
Thank You HS, I was going post the exact same thing.
And you are ABSOLUTELY correct, the is no "2nd Amendment Right" There are only limitations placed on the Federal Government by the Constitution, spelled out or enumerated in the Bill of Rights.
I was also going to ask Feisty who's duty it is to ensure, that is defend, her Right to Life? I can tell you from the SCOTUS Case DC v Warren, that it is not the Governments duty, but her own.
The Liberals are always saying how we need to be tolerant of other cultures, why are they so intolerant of the Gun Culture?
Bubba said:
Well, if you think England and Canada is so good and want to live in a country with strict gun laws you are welcome to move. Heck, I'll pay your one way ticket.
We don't change our laws and Constitution because YOU want to. If you don't like what this country has stood for and fought for the last almost 250 years then you are welcome to leave.
Is Holder in trouble?
And I don't know anyone who has a problem with background checks. The "More Extensive" is just a buzz phrase to make you think it is going to be tougher than it is.
In other words I am going to let the chips fall where they may after the initial vote is taken as far as my colleagues are concerned. Unlike my previous positition of not bringing it to a vote as an opportunity to save face for them.
If you vote Republican, buy a bomb shelter !!!
@Talk,
Talking to yourself again?
Give yourself a hand!
Just had an additional thought Bob and the edit time is running faster than usual. Anything else? And the Avatar change, well, you made me do it. I only used it one day and now, I just have to stoop to childish crap to fit your opinion.
Hey, Bali 2.3:
Talk to his own hand - that's what he is doing.
Talk,
[Is Holder in trouble?]
About mid-April, as reported by Politico, we will see the House make a Motion to Dismiss the Contempt of Congress charges against Eric Holder related to his refusal to comply with Congressional request for additional documentation related to Fast and Furious hearings.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2013/01/house-holder-may-near-deal-on-fast-and-furious-contempt-155525.html?hp=l1
If you allow background checks then pretty soon you'll be seizing all weapons, you'll be putting me on welfare, my marriage will suffer because of civil unions, I'll need food stamps............
(sarcastic example of slippery slope argument).
And Pig, like you have never jumped right back into your own comments with two or more follow ups before anyone answered? Right.
Remember, the new Newsvine does allow your comment history to be seen by everyone before you "snout" off again.
And I decided against the repost of the Obama devil thing Bali. You just struck a cord with your childish retort.
Eric-913730
you missed the memo: if you voted for Obama you are entitled to FREE STUFF so get your act together and go get your welfare check that's in your name. You must not watch Fox News because that all they talk about (besides Benghazi).
@Talk,
I decided against against the repost of the Obama devil thing Bali
Glad to hear it. Shows you can be reasonable. My childish retort was meant to poke some fun. If you can't have fun, what can you have?
btw I too have had encounters with the dreaded "Edit Time Gremlins"...
LOL......(head palm slap)......I can't believe I forgot Benghazi.......
:-)
If that was indeed what was intended then I am humbled. I just get soooooo used to comments that demean that it is a natural defense.
Truce.
@Talk,
Truce.
You got it.
Peace
Eric-913730
what's wrong with you? That is like #1 on the Republican list of "What to talk about to make Obama look bad to low information voters."
This is liberal spin that translates to "we could not get the support needed to do anything substantive on gun control but we want to look like we accomplished something in order to save face".
You can breathe easy for a few minutes and continue to fight your imaginary enemies.
"That is like #1 on the Republican list of "What to talk about to make Obama look bad to low information voters."
Shoot. I thought that was that deal about some obscure uncle of his or someone that was a drunk, or lived here illegally. Or something. Wait- I think it had to do with a device that lets you read copy from some kind of small screen mounted on a stand. Or something.
Seaskip----if you vote democrat you probably need help eating oatmeal. Why don't you get on the train with smillin' Joe (which has been subsidized and loosing money for decades) and ride it all the way to Utopia.
King troll drone you are....random posts without substance or reason on history. You must HATE blacks since you are against the NRA. Look at the history....and by the way, Lincoln was a republican. It is the democrats who elect KKK members, not the other way around.....hear any tweeting Byrd's out there?
Reagan also eased the 1968 gun control act by the way.
Dennis,
By postponing once again demonstrates that Holder is sweating. They will probably work a deal but Issa will get what he wants.
Background checks for guns but no id to vote? Something terribly wrong with this picture.
Leave it to the NRA it's every Americans right to own a Nuclear Weapon. When does it stop let's just hand out Nukes to everyone.
Maybe with can get this by state to state, look what Colorado did, they put the screws to the NRA !!!
I think everyone ought to be able to own a rocket launcher. That would make deer hunting so much fun.
Johntho . . . still laughing at that one!
Jethro wake up!!!!! You are dreaming again!!!!!!!
I know you live in Michigan where deer hunting and snowmobiling are king but, winter is almost over and you can go back outside.
Talk, I think you're a little wound up today. Not getting much of anyone's humor. Bali's above and pretty much this thread. Breathe.
Johntho
another way, shooting at animals from helicopters...
killing animals for fun, don't serial killers start that way?
@Talk,
Aw, c'mon, you've got to admit John's got a point.
As for me, I'd LOVE to own an M-1 Abrams Main Battle Tank equipped with a Mine Plow.
Traffic jam? What traffic jam?
Comin' through!!!
well since hunting is a sport and its about being humane and the etiqutte, less about the gun used. YOu realize its the states that determine hunting laws. Most of the 'fun' shooters are the criminal element, poachers, libruls. Since they dont want to take the time to learn the laws and proper hunting techniques
Remember legalize Dope, ban a Gun...FORWARD
So BayLIE you acknowledge that Jethro has Sociopathic tendancies? I thought we all already knew that.
@CA,
hunting is a sport and its about being humane and the etiquette
You mean like when Cheney went hunting for quails that were being kept as captives and ended up shooting his buddy in the face?
I see Sleazer has arrived. Nurse Ratched must've let him play on the computer for a couple of extra minutes.
whats that have to do with the price of fish.. its normal to raise fowl for sport...You realize they do this with buffalo too...its not like the quail just stand there..farm raised..quit being such a limp wrist..
Like I said Fvck Washington, Hamilton, Burr, Jefferson, Adams, etc. Reichwing Nazi ChristoFacists...what did they know
Hey Toni, Like my Avatar..Vote me up if you hate it
@CA,
its normal to raise fowl for sport...
...its not like the quail just stand there
Sheesh.
What's next? Humans?
proably not...but i fail to see where you are going..hyperbole i suppose.. but hey if you think that refutes anything i said..have at it...You can do what Toni did, try to make the false equivalency that im a 'nut job' typing on the computer...as she hand wrings that RAYGUN was being funded by the NRA Terrorists...
@CA,
Ted Nugent has a new TV show where he is actually "hunting" humans.
Hyperbole just became reality TV.
he's not literally going to kill them...What a dolt Bob...you want to get hunted as a human try Chicago..you dont seem to mind that...
"You realize they do this with buffalo too
And fish.
In barrels.
@CA,
he's not literally going to kill them
Oh, he's just gonna act like he is, eh?
And you don't seem to mind that...
Criminny- everyone knows quail don't just 'stand there'. They are a ball of motion, running around and around in circles. Trying to figure out how to spell 'potatoe'.
'he's not literally going to kill them..'
WHAT? He's NOT?? G'wann......
Bali Bob - a show that pretends to hunt humans. And, that is even remotely entertaining to what segment of the audience - serial killers? How can anyone NOT believe there is a problem with the thinking of anyone who would even imagine a show like this? I'm guessing the gun lovers will be sitting glued to their sets! It's a sickness - I swear - it's a real sickness, loving guns so much!
Seeking,
You watch Honey boo boo, admit it.
That show has nothing to do with guns if it exists at all. It is the thrill of the hunt against the most intelligent (in most cases) animal on earth and a matching of wits and cunning in the process.
There was a movie YEARS ago in which a guy did just that but, in that movie I believe he did kill them if they didn't manage to elude him. There was a time limit that he could hunt them also and some black guy with dreads outsmarted him in the end and made the hunter the hunted. Wish I could remember the name of the movie.
Democrats or puzzy's? what will they say the next time this happens?
Failure of the popular Congress, once again! Time for a total change.
The majority is the voice, not some 4mil. nra members. FU.
Newsflash: We already have background checks that are not being enforced!! There is no "gun show" loophole. It's a crock of sh*t. Any dealer at a gun show still must run a background check on his sales or risk losing his license. For those of you claiming this so-called "loophole", how many gun shows have you actually been to?
Mr.Steady
I have had a background check on every new gun I have bought. Every one of them I have bought from a gun show too. But if it makes the Lefturds feel all warm & fuzzy, let them wallow in it. It's still not going to change anything.
Yes, licensed gun dealers are required to run a background check. But only about half of all gun sales are conducted this way. The rest are done owner to owner, i.e. at gun shows, where absolutely no background check whatsoever is required. Need a gun fast, no questions asked? Go to a gun show. That's the loophole.
Then why not require all sellers at gun shows be licensed? At least it would be enforceable and it would close the "gun show loop hole". Problem solved.
Mr. Steady is right. There is no gun show loophole. That's just disingenuous bs from the left. Everyone knows the left are liars. Every single one of them.
The purpose is to criminalize all private sales and have a data base of every firearm. It still won't have any affect on criminals having weapons or "gun violence".
Deerhunterbow1 . . . .
92% of the people in the country want background checks - it's not a democrat or republican thing. It's the citizens of this country looking back at Sandy Hook and wanting something done. Your point is that it won't help anything. Well, what would? Shouldn't the 92% of Americans who want something done HAVE something done?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57564386-10391739/9-in-10-back-universal-gun-background-checks/
If that is what the 92% want they should call their Senators and tell them how they would like them to vote. If it is 92% it seems like a Constitutional amendment modifying the current second amendment would be a slam dunk?
Jongone, you'd think if they are a fricking SENATOR they would know what their constituents want and would read polls. Please note there is NOTHING about a Constitutional Amendment that modifies the 2nd in what the people want.
Does anybody READ anymore?
If your Senator is not representing your interests then call them and tell them that you will not vote for them. That is a poll that they will read. When people wanted to ban alcohol nation wide they amended the Constitution. When people wanted to change the voting laws nation wide they amended the Constitution. It seems that if you want to enforce laws nation wide the thing to do is to amend the Constitution. Barring that let you State local representatives know your desires. If "92% of the people" are with you then a city wide ban on "assault weapons" should be a slam dunk. Or you could collect $5 from "92% of the people" and buy yourself some US Senators.
People are delusional if they think it's going to reduce crime. Take California for instance....there are approximately 2,000+ convicted felons that own handguns and state supposedly has no money to pay law enforcement officers to go and collect these guns...so how exactly is having a background check going to reduce gun violence when we don't even do anything about the people we already are not supposed to own guns from owning them?
So nothing to report to on the budget and debt today except the little caption that the Senate and House are going to fund the Post Office so we can continue to get junk mail on Saturdays
Not for overlook the topic here but maybe the reason they are so concerned about gun control is for their own self protection for when people wake up to the BS of those we elected to do dumb things like fund Saturday mail when we are over 16 trillion in debt.
I don't think their coming for my guns, but I know they want to make sure my choices are limited. I also don't think I will be fighting a tyrannical government anytime soon but I know if it take a few cops firing 7 or 8 rounds apiece to stop one bad guy that I just might need more than 10 rounds. I am not even worried about zombies and am not an NRA member.
So go ahead make fun of me for some other stupid reason.
just slap down bat crazy tea nuts
It will be interesting to see how they enforce this when two gang-bangers get together in some alley to sell one another some firepower.
Can anyone tell me how Universal Background Checks will stop criminals and gang bangers from getting a weapon?
Nope. That was easy. You can thank me later libs for giving slodon your answer.
They can't because it won't. They have no clue as to what happens out in the real World. Outside of their brick homes on a tiny lot, driving foreign made cars & eating Tofu & Bamboo sprouts they have no idea what the outside World holds for them. Yuppies & Weenie snatchers.
@ slodon
No one will tell you. They will just be happy that when those people are caught, as long as they get 18 months for a serious offense, they're just fine
Deerhunterbow1 - you forgot the wine and cheese tasting parties.
1. Want a gun
2. Fail background check
3. Don't get gun.
As opposed to:
1. Want a gun
2. Go to gun show
3. Walk out with gun. No background check, no questions asked.
4. Commit crime with gun
Which is the system in place now.
I still don't understand what is so difficult about the concept that only law abiding people obey laws. Background checks are nice but psycopaths and criminals are not anxious to fill out forms stating that they are psycopaths and criminals. They will easily get their weapons through informal channels.
Talk -
Maybe that's because many of those who have guns and believe in the 2nd Amendment also like wine and cheese tasting parties -
Especially when one brews their own.
Background checks will stop them......but they go elsewhere, to a 'law abiding' citizen who will accommodate them for the right price, $$$$$$$$$$
Tammy - very few like wine and cheese tasting parties. However I'm sure they all get their fill of corndogs!
I have been a Dem all my life but this gun control bill does nothing to protect the American people. It is only a feel good bill for people who think gun control laws will stop gun crimes. Fact is, the more people that have guns the less the crime. Their is more gun crimes in states that have strong gun laws than states that have less gun control laws. I say that congress should stop working on gun control and start working on jobs!!!! I thought Obama was going to work on jobs not gun control!!!!
Don't confuse the gun-grabbers with facts.
The best place to commit a mass murder is in gun-free zone.
The murderer knows his victims are defenseless, in violation of their human rights.
Harry already said this measure will not likely pass either. When you get right down to the vote, Democrat politicians know it jeopardizes reelection. They could not find 40 Democrats to vote with Feinstein, and this bill is an appeaser to the fringe. They have to pretend they are trying. Background checks are great, but we already have them. To make them more invasive or increase reasons to refuse eligibilty becomes a legal and regulatory nightmare. It once again comes back to enforcing the laws on the books now. It would be much more beneficial than more laws that don't influence criminals or the mentally unstable.
Background checks seem so obvious. The biggest affront to the right to gun ownership is an idiot with a gun.
The objective clinical definition of" idiot" is yet to be perfected or standardized.
LOL...good point. But, in your quickly devolving society, there are many examples! It is getting easier and easier to operationalize. ;)
Mr.Steady it deprives us of life, liberty, and happiness when people like yourself ignore the ramifications of continuing the status quo and just accepting that violence will happen. It deprives us of said liberties also when one puts a gun above life, and it exposes blatant hypocrisy when those people are the same ones that oppose abortion usually...
"It deprives us of said liberties also when one puts a gun above life,..."
Nice if it were a black and white issue like that, but it's not.
Many people have saved their lives because they were armed. And many value their human right to self defense as much as their life.
No problem with background checks as long as there is no problem with approving Voter ID cards
yea, because that's like the same thing (rolls eyes). background checks? How about intelligence tests. You would fail for sure.
viknat -
But then where would the democrats get all of their voters?
Tammy - where they always have - from registered voters - just like Republicans claim to do when they rig the machines!
Let me see if I get this right...
I need a back ground check to get a gun, but I do not need any ID to Vote.... Hmmmm which is more dangerous to the general public?
Do you have to REGISTER to vote? Why not REGISTER to get a gun?
"You don't need to register guns to have logical gun safety laws." - Joe Biden
- during an NPR interview, Mar. 2013 (http://m.npr.org/news/Politics/174880882)
Universal background checks are supported by 90% of the public, including 74% of NRA MEMBERS. Will Congress make themselves look like idiots and fail to pass it?
Nothing would surprise me with today's the GOP's "Debacle of a Party", I guess!
We already have background checks for all retailers including at gun shows. how many criminals do you think will conduct background checks when they buy or sell a weapon?
Why do you like guns getting into the hands of criminals so easily, Larry? Maybe Moe and Curly can help you to answer.
You register to vote. Why not register to have a gun?
Strawman- I'm against it
Because the right to self defense supercedes ALL other rights. And the GOVT cannot infringe on that right
"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56."
The Opinion of the Court, delivered by Justice Scalia
You want sensible gun control...
Replace all the the dead children with dead Politicians....
They would be falling all over each other too get something passed then!!!!!!!
800# - HARSH but true! It would work - I'm not advocating for it but you're right - things would change immediately!
Advocating violence in the name of gun control. Wonderful.
No, let's get serious. My neighbor wants to buy my Ruger 22. I tell him $100. He gives me a C note. I give him the gun. How does anyone know? Guess what. I did a background check. My wife went to high school with him. Good enough for me.
Now how exactly is any law the @!$%#ing democrats pass going to change that transaction?
The exchange is done at a police station or someplace else that can do a REAL check. If there is no check, you are held responsible for ANY crime involving that gun.
You register to vote, so why not register to have a gun? They are BOTH rights.
How about a background check to vote I like that idea.
Long Term. You MUST register to vote. How about register to own a gun?
Why not? they are both rights!
They will want to through you in prison.
One of you Leftists please explain how making it harder for a law abiding citizen to purchase a firearm will make you safer or reduce "Gun Violence".
You can't tell if they are law abiding unless you run a background check.
So Long Term, should we just eliminate ALL laws, as law abiding citizens follow them?
No Herron you simpleton answer the question.
Licensed dealers have been required to run background checks through the NICS since 1998.
Ok so you pass and get your firearm and goes home.
Ok the criminal doesn't pass, now what happens do we prosecute those that don't pass because it isn't happening now?
Then the Criminal goes to his local illegal gun supplier and buys one there background check ineffective.
How do you think the illegal supplier gets guns? Strawman purchases and background check loopholes.
DoJ prosecutes the cases it can win and plea bargains, settles or dismisses minor offenses. Those that don't pass can't get legally buy a gun. Background checks work. They should be universal.
Theft! The fallacy of your argument is that there will always be somebody with clean record to buy fire arms. If you look at many of these "Stawman" purchases that have fallen into the black market it was followed by a report of theft.
First license the gun manufacturers and the sellers. Manufacturers to comply with producing reasonable weapons, not those of mass destruction! Each product to be registered with the government and individually licensed to follow its ownership.
High powered weapons are for the military, not for the streets. Set that up for compliance.
Sellers could be trained and licensed to sell to the public who want to use a gun for protection and/or hunting game. They could be well versed in the requirements of buying a weapon and a back ground checking procedure.
Increase the taxes higher and higher per the bigger and bigger weapons.
They have already done that. These are not high powered or military grade weapons. Please get more informed.
Put - YOU need to get more informed. They ARE high powered! Idiot!
So, we know from your statements that you have not educated yourself on firearms....AT ALL. Dealers that sell to the public MUST be licensed. They must have a Class III federal Firearms license. ALL dealers are required to conduct background checks before they can sell to a buyer...this must happen no matter where they sell their product - in a store or at a gun show.
High powered weapons are only available for purchase to those with a Class III license. These would be considered military grade weapons. Civilians may only own firearms that resemble these in appearance. They are no more lethal than weapons that do not have the cosmetic military features. They do not fire streams of bullets as they are not automatic. You have been misled by the media and the liberal pols who want to ban guns. High powered weapons also required a special tax be paid for ownership of these weapons.
Here is an example of the ridiculousness of the ban - Ruger makes a semi auto rifle called the Mini-14. They all function exactly the same way - the difference is the way they look. The AWB bans the "scary" ones with the pistol grip and collapsing stock - features that make no difference to the lethality of the weapon. Stupid right?
We already have background checks for the majority of transactions (although virtually no one is prosecuted for lying on the background check form) - if you want to include the handful of private sellers at gun shows to the mix - fine. You will never be able to enforce private transactions outside of that venue. The main sticking point is record keeping. Owning firearms is a private matter to most gun owners - they only share that they own guns with other owners - it really is no one's business. Registration/record keeping of these transactions will kill this legislation.
We vote those GOP do nothings into office to work for what the majority of americans want in this country, while once in office they don't give a dam what we want when it comes to background checks and safety. Those republicans and a few democrats in Washington haven't suffered like those parents of Sandy Hook or any other shootings with loss of family members, especially little kids. They can't seem to see beyond their noses for fear the NRA will run them out of office. Well, we ameicans will take note of who votes what and when 2014 comes around for their re-election, they may find themselves out of office anyway with a bad mark on their voting record.......
Please get a clue! Those republicans and the few democrats who are fighting against the gun-grabbers are doing exactly what the majority elected them to do. So sorry it doesn't match with your agenda!
Festering Redhead,
Your ranting does not supersede my 2nd Amendment rights. I and millions of other gun owners will do you no harm.
Read the Militia Act of 1792. THAT is the 2nd amendment Militia. Why did Reagan ban fully autos? Can you easily buy a sawed off shotgun?
You really need to understand history.
Reagan didn't ban fully automatic. They were banned in the 30's.
Putty. Just for you!
However, the act also contained a provision banning the ownership of any fully automatic firearms not registered by May 19, 1986. That provision was slipped into the legislation as an 11th hour amendment by Rep. William J. Hughes, a New Jersey Democrat. Reagan has been criticized by some gun owners for signing legislation containing the Hughes amendment.
As a gun "nut", I don't mind background checks as long as they are done in a simplified manner. We are not talking about dealers conducting background checks. That is already a requirement. We are talking about grandparents buying guns for their grandkids or transfering them as part of the estate. We should be able to have an endorsement or a license that gives people the ability to exercise their 2nd amendement rights. My biggest fear with it is that there will be a massive fee that prevents poor and minorities from protecting themselves like the democrats pushed through in Colorado. You can't say that the democrats care for the poor when they refused to exempt people under the poverty line from having to pay the transfer fee.
We are also talking about people selling guns to anyone that wants one, if there is cash involved. Like the folks that do private sales at gun shows, Putty.
Put - oh yeah! You're REALLY worried about the poor! Sheish!
Put -
I'm waiting for it to be challenged in the courts and thrown out as being unConstitutional, at least parts of it.
Senate teapublicans have to check in with the NRA before proceeding???
How deliciously pathetic...
""West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is still talking with Republicans about background checks-- and is in touch with the National Rifle Association -- in an attempt to find compromise language that could garner significant Republican support.""
Considering that 74% of NRA MEMBERS support universal background checks.
David Keen, the NRA Pres, doesn't, as his mentally challenged son had a gun, and is serving 10 years in prison due to using it in a case of road rage!
Herron - The NRA President should be in jail - not his son. He's the one who taught him everyone should have a gun!
Seeking, I feel for you on your long journey,
That being said your Fisted red Ho, the Pig and others look
to pass blame when Reids own party could not get 40 votes.
The senate party in power does not want a vote where they
have to put their money where heir mouth is and for you other
spineless Aholes this is like the myth of a elephant being afraid of
a mouse. Surely the whacko left party out number the Democrats?
Hell when you courted the black vote to put The Clown in the world
that worked didn't it?
You want to demonize an inanimate brainless object, I understand that.
I'm glad he's in Israel now.