The world of science is a world that turns on proving what someone thinks might be true. Science tells us it's the Bernoulli Effect that keeps an aircraft aloft. Science tells us Grandma's chicken soup really does have healing properties. Still, there's a world of unknowns awaiting the Good Science Seal of Approval, or a Thumbs Down.

What we truly know about rabid gun nuts still awaits a verdict from science. For the time being, we must draw our own conclusions. What we are learning is that as a percentage, fewer homes have guns in them. What we are learning is that a majority of Americans do not want to take guns away from gun owners. We know that an overwhelming percentage of Americans want background checks for gun owners. We know with certainty, our Congress is gutless and afraid of gunners; mostly the crazy ones.

Most firearms owners are quite responsible. There's hunters who actually like to get up when it's colder than the dickens, track down game which ends up costing about $3,000 a pound, and bring it home for dinner. Not my cup of tea, but they enjoy it and they're not hurting anyone doing that. There's target shooters. They like sitting on a range and hitting teensy-weensy targets so far away you can hardly see them. That's a serious skill. Not my cup of tea, but it harms no one. There's a raft of collectors. I know the fellow who owns Pancho Villa's .45. Very cool. No harm, no foul.

Quite a number keep firearms for home protection. Not a bad idea, but they don't offer the level of safety we think they do. Great for Bruce Willis and Arnold Schwarzenegger, but the real world isn't about special effects. In the real world a bullet wound puts real holes in a body, and frequently, the one who's been shot dies. Some times they're paralyzed, or they suffer unimaginable brain trauma.

So, who are these crazy gunners that scare Congress into wetting their legislative pants? Well, like Ted Nugent, they crap all over themselves to avoid serving in the military. Some, like Wayne LaPierre, discover that the draft makes them go to college. Like Dick Cheney they get deferments, get their wife pregnant, and find dirty diapers preferable to carrying a firearm. Some, like Rush Limbaugh develop fanny boils.

These are the guys who, when things are safe, put on their weekend camo's and lick each other's gun barrels. They talk tough. They're ready to fight a government that's going to disarm them and take their precious appendages. They're the ones who would've stopped the carnage at the local school or at the mall, if only, gee whiz, if only they'd been there. It's rather odd that they NEVER seem to be there. They're the ones who tell us the only reason we don't know of their heroism is because the media won't report their deeds of derring-do.

The truth is these people are cowards. They're gutless, and when someone outs them as cowards, they start with their tantrums. They'll do anything to hide the truth. They did it right here, when they lied about a post that outed them. The post said nothing about taking their firearms. It simply laid out the truth, and the gun strokers lied and said it was advertising.

I don't need science to confirm my feelings about these guys. They're gutless cowards.

March Madness

From the article above:

“Senate Madness”: Pegged to today’s true start of the NCAA basketball tournament, we are launching “Senate Madness”…

Welcome to the two least work-productive days in America!!!

Odds of filling out a perfect bracket; one in 9.2 quintillion.

Odds of Boehner’s HOR’s compromising with President Obama; one hundred, billion, trillion, gazillion kajillion,

We now interrupt this program to bring you the following message:

“Everyone’s a LOBO, woof, woof, woof.”

UNM Rally cheer.

Enjoy the games, everyone.

Salud

This is the post that offended these gutless cowards. Nothing irks them more than the truth. Decide for yourself, whether it's false. You must be quick. They'll be here to delete it as soon as they can.

"When a crazed attacker fires off a 100 rounds within a few minutes in the Mall, what are you going to do? Say "Abracadabra" and magic an equal and opposite deadly weapon into your sweaty palms? Summon the assault weapon fairy? Ever had a semi-automatic weapon aimed right at you?

So you have your 1 year-old baby girl in your arms, and your little 4 year old is in the choo-choo train singing happily to himself. Maybe you're hoping a couple of folks around you will return fire? Perhaps especially if they do, what are the odds you'll escape with your children in that terrible moment?

Are you down with the gun lobby mouthpieces and their fantasy of One for Every Girl and Boy? Are you seeking a peaceful reality, or are you more comfortable with a living Hell for everyone c/o the gun industry profiteers? Face it, they don't care about you! They want you to eat guns for breakfast, lunch and snack. They want you good and afraid, murmuring "but...my 2nd Amendment!" as you fall to the floor in shock and agony. And as your child's body is pulverized by 2, or in the case of Newtown, eleven bullets.

Please stand up for the Assault Weapons Ban. The majority of Americans support re-authorizing this ban. 91% of us support universal background checks. Let's show compassion for our police, so frequently out-gunned. If not for one's God - Jehovah, Elohim, Tian Zhu, cheon-ju, Huwa, Abaluyia, Allah, Akan, Bavenda, Embu, Brahma, Ishvara, Ek Onkar, Shiva, Tenro-O-no Mikoto, Ahura Mazda, or Jesus - then stand up for the sake of Goodness in all its forms.

We can stand up for all the lives and loved ones senselessly taken from us. Before it is too late, please tell Congress we must end this threat of perpetual 3rd world war promoted by ruthless, avaricious gunmakers here on our own turf."

That was from Backhouse. True in every particular.

As if Palestinian statehood is all that is needed to stop the violence against Israel. The fact that the Palestinians don't recognize Israels right to exist means nothing. In fact the Palestinians don't even produce a map with Israel on it. The Israeli people are not fooled by Obama, where his popularity is at an all time low for US presidents, standing at a pathetic 10%. Apparently those from Israel are not as easily duped as Americans. Since Obama took office the middle east has become a tinderbox and the fuse has been lit. When the region erupts, the world chaos that follows will be all thanks to our Nobel Peace Prize winning President Obama. Not much, including the Democrat party is likely to survive an Obama second term.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Careful Johntho, the collapse delete cowards have once again permeated this place!

Did my eyes deceive me? Was the whole first thread deleted yesteday???

Don't ya just love those Constitution Loving, Freedom of Speech "Real" Americans???

Salud

Backhouse, hope you're feeling better today. Glad you reposted the terrific comment from yesterday. Remember, the extremist right wingers hate free speech unless it is their own speech; anytime one of them accuses the liberals of collapsing or deleting a liberal post, know that poster is guilty.

Elections have consequences.Yes, they do. Too bad Congressional GOPers here don't understand that. How fitting that President Obama told Netanyahu it was nice to get away from Congress. Don't kid yourself, our President knew the mic was open.

It was both interesting and amusing watching Netanyahu trying to mend the fence with President Obama since old Bibi pretty much endorsed Mitt Romney for president. President Obama was gracious as he always is but, in my mind, I cannot help thinking he was enjoying Bibi's exuberance.

Was the whole first thread deleted yesteday???

Tomas,

Uh Huh!

Don't ya just love those Constitution Loving, Freedom of Speech "Real" Americans???

You betcha!

I don't call them collapse cowards for nuttin ya know!

Salud!

It was not "collapsed" , it was "deleted". Surely, as much time as you spend on this site .... we would think you have the brains to lnow the difference ..... who in the hell am I kidding !!!! LOL!!!!

You call them "collapse cowards" because extreme lefties who are devoid of reality love to distort the truth !

David Walker - Congress? How about Harry Reids office, and ask him why he took it out. Democrats are to blame for this, can you blame them? Are the Democrats more worried about the majority in the Senate or are they more worried about what Backhouse writes? Sad little Democratic party. Selfish. Is it not? Maybe now you can see what the problem the last 4 years have been!

One can not help but think that Israel should share at least some of the blame in the middle east for not stopping settlers from building towns on Palestinian lands. I am saying there is blame on both sides that needs to be put to rest so peace can prevail. I also don't think you can blame Israel for protecting itself. People in this country cannot even imagine what it would be like to be under constant bombardment from rockets fired into our country.

BCWC, I am thinking about you, I hope your surgery went well Tues. My wish is for you to get well soon and be back to add your prospective to our blog.

Feisty, thanks for the heads up. The delete police are a powerful tool, the first amendment is more powerful then the second amendment. Only about 80 million gun owners, all three hundred million of us have mouths.

Bro-mance? Let's recall the last four years and the "differences" that got us to today:

1. President Obama never visited Israel in his first four years, although they are considered our greatest allie in the region.

2. President Obama scolded Israel for building in the disputed lands, decreed that they should return to the 1967 borders, and has lobbied for a Palestinian state. He also scolded Israel for barring shipments to Gaza (some stopped shipments have been arms from Iran, Turkey, etc.)

3. President Obama has endorsed uprisings in the region that have lead to anti-Israeli regimes starting up/building up, the destabolizing of neighboring states to Israel, and the black market distribution of weapons to Gaza (to be used against Israel).

4. When the Israeli PM visited the White House he was not given a state reception and had to use the back door, while the administration has given lavish welcomings to other regional leaders.

So now the President is visiting and Israel is supposed to "reset" relations completely based on a few public statements? The President noted that Iran has a year to go on nukes, hope he's ready to help stop proliferation beyond speeches.

The Physics of Mass Killing

A gentleman named Kevin Ashton wrote a very insightful and thought-provoking analysis of mass killings and the physics behind the carnage.

His contention is that the “math of mass killings” is simple: the number of people killed is the number of events multiplied by the number of deaths per event. We can have some impact on both factors of this equation.

Mental health screenings and other proactive monitoring can reduce but not entirely eliminate the number of events, so the number of deaths per event becomes the most controllable variable.

His research shows that in all 30 of the US mass shootings since 1984 the shooter used either semi-automatic pistols or semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines (15 to 20 rounds in the pistols, 40+ in the rifles). This ability to fire more rounds per minute dramatically increases the number of hits and deaths, especially at the beginning of the attack when the shooter has the advantage of surprise.

He also found that even the short period of time spent reloading gave others the best opportunity to either escape or defend themselves. It also gave police or other “good guys with guns” their best opportunity to return fire.

So what were his overall conclusions? (my emphasis added)

How To Reduce Deaths In Mass Killings

Reducing magazine capacity and therefore effective rate of fire is unlikely to have an impact on more common gun homicides, with the important exception that it may reduce the risk armed criminals pose to the police and other law enforcement officials.

It is, however, a practical way to begin to reduce the number of deaths from mass killings. While it is not possible to reduce the rate of fire of weapons that already exist, it is possible to restrict the manufacture and sales of high capacity magazines so they eventually become more difficult to obtain. This will not stop mass killing but, over time, it may reduce the average number of people hit and killed in each incident, both by reducing rounds fired per minute and increasing the opportunity for potential victims to escape or defend themselves during reloading.

The conclusions that being able to fire more rounds into a crowd is likely to result in more deaths and that having to reload more often provides more opportunities for escape and defense and also reduces the time a gunman spends firing may seem obvious and trivial, but it has been strongly argued that reducing magazine capacity will have no impact on mass killing. (See, for example, LaPierre, December 23, 2012: “It’s not gonna work.” )

The data suggests that these two variables are correlated and that assertions to the contrary are incorrect. According to the math, physics and evidence from actual mass killings, reducing the capacity of the magazine reduces the capability of the killer.

http://kevinjashton.com/2013/01/24/the-physics-of-mass-killing/

JOENY:

You are aware that St. Ronnie NEVER visited Israel when he was in office.

How do you translate that, Reagan did not care about the security of Israel?

So, because the majority of Americans' don't gives a damn about what the Republicans policies or philosophies are, I guess the only thing RW blogger freaks have left is to stomp their feet, go "waa waa waa" and commit an act of journalistic terrorism.

Classic, childish, insecure bully behavior.

Watch their heads explode in 3, 2, 1....

Salud

Joe, blah, blah, blah blah, blah. It isn't like Israel is without fault. Obama has done a great job in my opinion and his reaching out to Israel now is just one example of the job he has done. While Israel is our ally, it don't keep them without at least some of the fault. This is a case of it really does take two to tango.

According to David Walker, just under 8 million Israelis should simply self-deport to the USA.

Problem solved.

As if Palestinian statehood is all that is needed to stop the violence against Israel. The fact that the Palestinians don't recognize Israels right to exist means nothing.

No...but it would be a good start. Hatred is a two-way street. If there's one thing that Israel and the Palestinians have in common it is this...all throughout history nobody has wanted either of them. Consequently, it is in their mutual best interest to find a way to co-exist...and if they can't find a way then need to make a way.

Since Obama took office the middle east has become a tinderbox and the fuse has been lit. When the region erupts, the world chaos that follows will be all thanks to our Nobel Peace Prize winning President Obama.

Yes, because everybody was all together sitting in a circle around a fire singing "Kumbaya" before January 2009, right?

So, what alternatives are there? Should we have elected Senator McCain who thought military action in Iran was funny? Should we have elected Mr. Romney who thinks Palestinian economic failure was due solely to culture and not to Israel's restrictions on Palestinians?

...and this just in...President Obama is the President of the United States...and last I checked that did not include Israel or Palestine or anywhere else in the Middle East. As President, there is only so much that ANY person can do...and anyone who suggests that the Middle East wouls somehow be different under other leadership in this country is a fool.

So, who are these crazy gunners that scare Congress into wetting their legislative pants? Well, like Ted Nugent, they crap all over themselves to avoid serving in the military. Some, like Wayne LaPierre, discover that the draft makes them go to college. Like Dick Cheney they get deferments, get their wife pregnant, and find dirty diapers preferable to carrying a firearm. Some, like Rush Limbaugh develop fanny boils.

These are the guys who, when things are safe, put on their weekend camo's and lick each other's gun barrels. They talk tough. They're ready to fight a government that's going to disarm them and take their precious appendages. They're the ones who would've stopped the carnage at the local school or at the mall, if only, gee whiz, if only they'd been there. It's rather odd that they NEVER seem to be there. They're the ones who tell us the only reason we don't know of their heroism is because the media won't report their deeds of derring-do.

The truth is these people are cowards. They're gutless, and when someone outs them as cowards, they start with their tantrums. They'll do anything to hide the truth. They did it right here, when they lied about a post that outed them. The post said nothing about taking their firearms. It simply laid out the truth, and the gun strokers lied and said it was advertising.

I don't need science to confirm my feelings about these guys. They're gutless cowards.

Good Morning David Walker, Priceless!!!!

It's too early in the day, need more coffee! In #1.7, I meant, I was glad to see David W repost Backhouse's comment from yesterday. Think I'll just go run errands and come back later!

David W, terrific post #1.1. Cowards they are and too many in Congress are scared of the cowards.

Johntho, frist again, cheers!

According to David Walker, just under 8 million Israelis should simply self-deport to the USA.

another anti-semetic libtard? Yawn* Maybe Fisty and Seeking approval and little mickey can all band together and talk about how Conservatives want to OWN a 'darkie' again.

Elections have consequences...What has King Hussein done? yuuuuuuuuuupppp not much

in the words of Spanky and that fact that most libs in here HATED him...Most productive and transparent Admin EVAH!

Frist, I have taken control and declare all republicans to be obsolete and therefore replaced with democrats at the next election.

As long as they are Blue Dog Democrats and not the current crop of loons I'd be fine with that.

Alan, NJ

According to David Walker, just under 8 million Israelis should simply self-deport to the USA. Problem solved.

Not a bad idea.

Israel and the Palestines have been fighting my whole lifetime.

He was correct in pointing out that it was Palestine land until after WWII.

Please, share your idea on how Palestine will become a nation again with it's own borders and there will finally be Peace.

P.S. Do any of you RW bloggers understand the concept of irony and sarcasm?

Salud

JoeNY

1. President Obama never visited Israel in his first four years, although they are considered our greatest allie in the region.

Reagan didn't go. George Bush didn't go. George W didn't go until late in his second term.

"Don't let facts get in the way of a good story". Isn't that how the saying goes?

Job 1 - No Harry Reid? As gutless as they come!

JoeNY, facts: President Reagan never visited Israel once during his 8 years; President George H. W. Bush never visited Israel during his 4 years AND President George W. Bush did NOT visit Israel until his final year in office. So your beef is exactly what?

By the way, JoeNY, Israel deserved scolding for building in disputed lands which would likely be Palestine if the two countries ever get around to actually working toward peace.

The Middle East has always been a "tinderbox", and each new generation has threatened to "light it up".

Despite all of that I am cautiously optimistic about long-term piece in the Middle East. There are far fewer dictators in power than there were a decade ago, and at least future generations have the potentital to self-govern and find a better way.

I was remiss in mentioning this in my first post, but today is my 15th wedding anniversary. I am still amazed that anyone could put up with me and my almost-but-not-quite-OCD for that long!

Uhh, Reagan has been dead for quite some time now ! Do you loons plan on digging his corpse up so you can admonish him for his "sins" ?

The bottom line is Israelis do not trust Obama because Obama has consistently shown a preference for Muslims over Israel. The Israelis are not blind, they are not stupid ... unlike many Obama leg humpers !

Jody said, "Johntho, frist again, cheers!" Thanks, they just can't keep a good man down. Piggy must be on break, she must have heard about Feistys "ham and biscuits" in the break room.

I would like to dig him up jim, but the things I would do to the corpse couldn't be published here. I was one of his many victims.

Reagan made you proud to be an American, Obama makes you proud to collect welfare benefits, like Johntho!

Rick-3416939As if Palestinian statehood is all that is needed to stop the violence against Israel. The fact that the Palestinians don't recognize Israels right to exist means nothing. In fact the Palestinians don't even produce a map with Israel on it. The Israeli people are not fooled by Obama, where his popularity is at an all time low for US presidents, standing at a pathetic 10%

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Gee...maybe someone should have alerted Bibi and Perez about these numbers...

All Israel talks about is wars and how much foreign aid they will get this year, Israel has become a welfare for U.S. tax payers in the Billions, Billions & Billions every year, looks like we are supporting their Nation !!!

Didn't anyone tell Congress that we are going Bankrupt, We are Broke, put that 75 Billion in World aid to our debt, we need that money to pay our bills !!!

geo-1957883

Reagan made you proud to be an American, Obama makes you proud to collect welfare benefits, like Johntho!

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I'm not certain why you speak these as matters of fact. You're obviously more than capable of speaking to what both Presidents make you feel like, but who are you to tell me what President Reagan or President Obama made me feel like?

I am sure that if Isreal was a Muslim country the President would not have any trouble with support. He and John Kerry would have no trouble sending them millions of our dollars then!

David W: Thank you for re-posting Backhouse's comment from yesterday.

Why do people show so much fear of our first amendment? It is the armor that protects the rest of the Constitution.

Hey Allen #1.35, The debt clock is hanging in the Reagan Library !!!

Nice soap box Allen, how high is it? Don't fall and hurt yourself. seaskip - Isn't nice not to have to worry about the Soviet Union when you go to bed at night, like you did when Carter was President!

geo, I worked, I paid my taxes, and I was proud of that until the Reagan recession, all during the 80's I had part time jobs, sometimes as many as three part time jobs, just to make ends meet. I saw the tent city's and the soup kitchens myself. I seen George W. Bush take us back to that place. Obama has turned this country around despite your ignorance to everything. He has fixed most of the problems that Bush caused, whether you want to say so or not. That is what the truth looks like geo, not saying something that is completely untrue like your post 1.32. Now STFU and move along. You don't have anything to say worth reading.

Allen, he takes liberty which he doesn't own, he is one of those free riding republicans that have no interest in what is good for the country but rather what is good for him. In my humble opinion geo is worth the powder to blow him to billy hell, a place he may belong.

Seems a new and exciting age is dawning. Medical research is right on the cusp of overcoming cancer. Production of new, clean, and ample energies are well within our reach. Battery technology is accelerating at a pace in excess of speeds present petroleum burning vehicles can attain. New and cleaner technologies have revealed North America to be awash in oil and gas reserves. Federal deficits are now lower than at any time in recent history. Many beneficial and knowledge enhancing things afoot in our land.

Conversely, and to the detriment of all these, we are daily forced to endure the lunacy of right wing conservative republicanism, which, so aptly and solely, draws It's governing dogma from the "five points of Calvinism". 1-Total depravity of the people. Especially non white people. 2- Unconditional Election. Supression of all who might vote other than republican. 3-Limited Atonement. Accept your lot in life and keep your gwaddamn mouth shut about it. 4-Irresistible Grace. Amnesty for all their stupid and easily exploited supporters. 5-Perseverance of the Saints. Only the wealthy have the right of self determination.

We may possibly yet see and enjoy the former, if we can ever free ourselves of the latter.

Johnboy - Nice revision, Reagan took an economy that was in shambles caused by Carter, you know who Obama compares closest too. Reagan had 82 out 83 months of job growth from sept 1983 to june 1990. Pretty impressive. Not his fault your skills suck!

Allen, he takes liberty which he doesn't own, he is one of those free riding republicans that have no interest in what is good for the country but rather what is good for him. In my humble opinion geo is worth the powder to blow him to billy hell, a place he may belong.

Good morning Johntho,

You can't get the free stuff because you don't qualify, You are an educated Center Left Progressive, and it's in our DNA to work for a living pay our taxes and help those in need. However, regional break down studies have data showing many so-called right wing folks have been known to stay on some form of welfare/public assistance for years over and over again.

I watched Regan as governor decided that the Vietnam veterans deserved to be homeless as he cut the funding for the half-way houses where the veterans were living.

I lived in San Francisco at the time and saw from one day to the next hundreds of homeless veterans everywhere. Regan never made me proud. Instead I was ashamed of how little our government cared for our veterans that we drafted into harms way.

The republicans are doing it again. First they start a war based on lies and then cut the funding for our veterans. Why the republicans couldn't even bring themselves to vote for jobs for our veterans.

Vote for any republican at your own peril.

I thought it interesting, the speed of Israel in building fences. I mean fences that are designed to stop people from getting past them. Imagine that, a fence system that actually works to keep people out or in.

What a concept, huh? Maybe we can send a few engineers, no, actual fence builders there to learn how to build an actual fence that will keep people out. lol

@ David

What a great and balanced 1.1 post. rotflmao Sorry, George couldn't have written comedy that good

Alan, NJ

According to David Walker, just under 8 million Israelis should simply self-deport to the USA. Problem solved.

Not a bad idea.

Israel and the Palestines have been fighting my whole lifetime.

He was correct in pointing out that it was Palestine land until after WWII.

Really? Can you tell me who led the Palestinian nation before WWII? Was there a King, a Prime Minister etc? How about Jordan? Should Jordanians also be deported and the land returned to the Palestinians?

It's funny because I have a map of pre-war Palestine and it says it was call TransJordan, no mention of Palestine there. And if we travel further back into history we see that it was run by the Ottomans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transjordan

BTW If self-deportation is not a bad idea for the Israelis, it must be a reasonable idea for the 11m illegals in the USA?

<sarcasm>Salud</sarcasm>

@ Tomas

I do like the lobos but, I don't see them getting past OSU if they get to that point. Go ZAGS

So now the President is visiting and Israel is supposed to "reset" relations completely based on a few public statements?

Israel is a tiny little nation surrounded by a bunch of hostiles. They themselves keep telling us this, often enough. We are a world superpower. Israel exists only because of our support.

Should our President kowtow to every little 3rd world country that happens to drop by?

The President noted that Iran has a year to go on nukes, hope he's ready to help stop proliferation beyond speeches.

Yes. It's called "sanctions" and "isolating Iran."

He was correct in pointing out that it was Palestine land until after WWII.

Really? Can you tell me who led the Palestinian nation before WWII? Was there a King, a Prime Minister etc?

Can you read? He called it "Palestinian land." Which is exactly what it was.

But if that is the criteria you are using, can you tell us who the Jewish nation's King, Prime Minister was in 1900?

What a concept, huh? Maybe we can send a few engineers, no, actual fence builders there to learn how to build an actual fence that will keep people out. lol

Yea...a 2500-mile fence over rivers and mountains is as easy to build as a 20-mile fence. You willing to pay for it? Ask your beloved Republican representative, he will be happy to tell you how broke we are.

But if that is the criteria you are using, can you tell us who the Jewish nation's King, Prime Minister was in 1900?

There wasn't one. Both countries were created out of the UN mandate in 1947. Personally I think it was a lousy decision, but now the "facts are on the ground", the idea that 8m Jews should come to America is as ridiculous as 11m illegals self-deporting.

Interesting Fact. The Balfour Deceleration did not actually specify that the Jewish homeland should be located in the Israel. That was one of three choices. The other two were Cyprus and Sudan. So either was it would be a clusterf..ck

And if you want split hairs it was actually Jordanian land.

Alan, NJ

Nice deflection.

I'll throw my question out there again.

Please, share your idea on how Palestine will become a nation again with it's own borders and there will finally be Peace.

Try Wikipedia, Palestine.

Salud

ole joblessone, did you actually say that the right wing folks" are the segment of our society that are the free loaders? Another brilliant statement!! That is why the right wing is opposed to the nanny state and and votes Conservative to stop the freebies, while the left wing nuts (like you) follow your leader and votes liberal to give all the freebies out. What color is the sky in your world?

jim-1455434

"It was not "collapsed" , it was "deleted". Surely, as much time as you spend on this site .... we would think you have the brains to lnow the difference ..... who in the hell am I kidding !!!! LOL!!!!

You call them "collapse cowards" because extreme lefties who are devoid of reality love to distort the truth !"

No, dill-breath... She calls you "Collapse Cowards" because it's far more catchy than "delete dorks"... You know, like the way Nimmy-Jumbers sounds way cooler than Jimmy-Numbers. Do try to keep up.

Bovine excrement geo, the fact is I lived then and saw with my own eyes a recession to rival George W. Bush, Reagan was a crook and a second rate actor at best who couldn't remember his own name by the end of his term. He and you suck.

I find it interesting that the usual left wing radical crew is accusing the opposition of deleting posts. Please tell, if a user can delete posts, why don't you simply delete Joe, Caesar, Geo...'s post?

Could it be that the ability to delete a post is held only by the moderators of this forum?

Naw..... It must be those right wing crazys that have been given that ability. They just let most of your vitriol stay for humor reasons.

Paranoid much????

Please, share your idea on how Palestine will become a nation again with it's own borders and there will finally be Peace.

We all know they are going to have to accept the existence of Israel and take the best borders they can negotiate. If I was Palestinian I wouldn't like it but that's situation as it it exists right now. If they want to fight on so be it.

What I would suggest is that instead of lobbing rockets randomly into Israel they begin a civil disobedience campaign similar to Gandhi. They will get much more international sympathy and support. However, they may have missed the moment for that type of campaign as Israel has already dis-engaged and removed much of the economic impact a civil disobedience may have had.

Beautiful post by Mr. Walker @ 1.1 here today!!!... Yet it leaves me seeking one point of clarification in light of conflicting reports...

Which actually came first? The fanny boil, or Rush Limbaugh? ... One surely begat the next, but in which order?

geo: Reagan made you proud to be an American

Speak for yourself.

Speaking of fanny boils, chickie poo .... if you'll send me your address, I will send you a large tube of Preparation H to apply "liberally" (LOL !) all over your body ! I may need to SUPERSIZE that gift so we can get your ego back down to a size more in keeping with your intellect !

Please explain how we can "DELETE" posts ! Surely you can do that, can you not ! LOL !!

@ Byron

Did I mention a party affiliation in my post. I didn't. My point was the ineptitude on both sides and, the ineptitude of our engineers and builders.

So, that is whats out there in Israel, just sand? Interesting. And you can hardly give me any lessons on the engineering of infrastructure in this country, as I was deep in to providing materials for road building for over 30 years.

Tell me something genius. Why does Denmark, or any of the North Atlantic European countries have so little issues with flooding on their shores? Or, why do Germany's highways as an example last years & years beyond ours. ENGINEERING

[reagan made you proud to be an American...]

Geo, reagan?

The same reagan who raised taxes ELEVEN TIMES?

The same reagan who tripled the national debt?

The same reagan who sold arms to Iran?

The same reagan who called for banning assault weapons?

The same reagan who son said he had early onset of Alzheimer's while in office?

That reagan?

Talk about worshipping a false "god".

davidwalker - I read your crap - not one lick of science in there - your posts are funny, but not useful from a scientific point of view... where do you get this stuff

mickey - Obama made me ashamed to be an American, but no worries, Mrs Obama was ashamed to be American before she was proud to be an American. bwahahaha

I was better off with Reagan as President - I am worse off now then I was 5 years ago.

Stop worshiping Obama - talk about a false God

Mickey - Reagan, who got reelected in 1984 49 states to 1. That Ronald Reagan.

Alan, NJ

Thank you.

We all know they are going to have to accept the existence of Israel and take the best borders they can negotiate. If I was Palestinian I wouldn't like it but that's situation as it it exists right now. If they want to fight on so be it.

I can agree to that. Got to admit, they (Palestinians) are still royally pissed. And you got to admit, the US has had it's hand in drawing up borders and chosing sides in that region for decades, and every President since WWII has been trying to get both sides to have peace.

What I would suggest is that instead of lobbing rockets randomly into Israel they begin a civil disobedience campaign similar to Gandhi. They will get much more international sympathy and support.

This might be far-fetched, but can't they all live in one country together, under one name and remain autonomous and neutral, i.e. Sweden?

It is far-fetched. It would take them decades to decide on a name. We Americans can't even get along anymore.

Thank you for your response.

Salud

Stop worshiping Obama - talk about a false God

Better yet ask Little Mickey why he supports Obama.. 3 to 1 says he'll insult before explain.

Mickey - Reagan, who got reelected in 1984 49 states to 1. That Ronald Reagan.

TomasGrande

This might be far-fetched, but can't they all live in one country together, under one name and remain autonomous and neutral, i.e. Sweden?

It is far-fetched. It would take them decades to decide on a name. We Americans can't even get along anymore.

In a perfect world, perhaps. I think the two state solution might be the best thing for both parties. I don't honestly believe that either side truly wants a United State between the two. Palestinians running for positions in the Knesset and attaining leadership sounds far fetched to me, given the past that these sides have.

I don't think either side really wants peace either. When I reference side I mean the political sides between the two states... Even in the Palestinian area there are heavily competing sides between the PLO and Hamas that have different doctrines and then on the other hand you have Israel who has been stalwart in suggesting they want a peaceful solution yet keep building in areas they know they shouldn't based on previous agreements and other actions that cause tensions to rise.

It is hard for me to imagine the "government" of either side willing to truly make the concessions to make a two state solution work, let alone a truly united single state solution.

Amazing geo, today you would be calling Reagan a commie. He couldn't get past the primary season with todays tea bags. But you stick up for that azzhole.

Reprojam,/Tomas Grande. Both The Jews and the Philistines lived together ,in continual conflict for generations,see K.J.Bible ,The Kings and the Jewish Heroes. They never lived in harmony and when that area became part of the Roman Empire the Jews were threatened with expulsion if they did not desist from their attempts to take over the area. They did not obey their masters and suffered dispersal,known in Jewish history as the Diaspora, until they were given part of Palestine by the U.S.A. They have continued their centuries old attempt to wipe out the original inhabitants since gaining a State. You think that they will be peaceful neighbours if they don't obtain their aims? I.M.O. I doubt it. Although I have no desire nor interest in that area, I expect to be paying the bill for this for the rest of my life.

David Walker

After reading your earlier post just out of curiosity I figured out the best I could the cost per pound for the venison in the freezer from last Season. Plus of course what I have eaten and so on. I even took into consideration cost of gas etc. Comes out to less then 35 cents a pound overall. That's from Filet's to ground burger. Plus very Tasty.

Plus as a bonus was the Head Mount for the Wall.

Johntho, I'll go one better IRT your great opening salvo:

All Republicans that think like Democrats should BECOME Democrats. I would assert, like Ralph Nader and most Libertarians, that there's no real difference between Repubs and Dems.

The next election is pretty much meaningless, unless the House changes hands. I will ask, however, to note the difference in coverage between BHO's re-election and GWB's. At 12:05 pm on January 20, 2004, the MSM began incessant repetition of the phrase "LAME DUCK" at least three times per minute. Ever since January 20, 2013, the mantra is "He's just getting started..." Nope, no bias here.

From a certain cracked viewpoint, I agree with you. Unless the Republicans actually STAND FOR SOMETHING and stand their ground on the CONSTITUTION and some manner of fiscal sanity, they are pretty much on the way out.

My message to the GOP: STAND YOUR GROUND or BECOME DEMOCRATS. Spare us the pretense of being the Party of Lincoln, unless your VOTES reflect your words.

From the Libertarian Party of Boulder Colorado [www_lpboulder_org/quotes]:

geo-1957883

David Walker - Congress? How about Harry Reids office, and ask him why he took it out. Democrats are to blame for this, can you blame them? Are the Democrats more worried about the majority in the Senate or are they more worried about what Backhouse writes? Sad little Democratic party. Selfish. Is it not? Maybe now you can see what the problem the last 4 years have been!

The Assault Weapons ban was removed because it stood no chance to pass with the NRA and their Republican Lapdogs lined lined up against it. Keeping it in only reduced the chances of the full background check passing...but you know that don't you?

Speaking of sad little parties, have you read the "Growth and Opportunity Project" document put out by the Gray Old Party? Here's the problem I see with the doomed attempt to change the Republican Party:

1. Main Stream Republicans: pragmatic, support the Party establishment that up to recently has produced it's presidential candidates. Less assertive on foreign policy; believes in fiscal responsibility. Probably best described as somewhere between Eisenhauer and Reagan. Understand that some compromise is necessary for the good of the Nation.

2. Tea Party: Anti-tax, populists who distrust experts, scientists, "elites" (though they can't define elites) who do not see shades of gray. Their allegiance runs...conservative first, Republican second and American third. More than willing to blow-up the economy to prove a point.

3. Christian Conservatives: Extreme social conservatives who, like the Tea Party show absolutely no willingness to compromise. They believe in smaller, less intrusive government where business and social programs are concerned, but more religious intrusion into government.

4. Neoconservatives: Support aggressive democratization of other countries. Believe in Laissez-faire capitalism. Believe that war is simply a tool to promote democracy and capitalism world-wide. Believe in the concept of a "unitary executive". Are willing to compromise so long as it does not interfere with the greater goal of dominance. Will pay lip service to fiscal conservatism but are perfectly willing to outspend "liberals" so long as it supports their agenda.

With the exception of the Main Stream Republicans, none of the other groups see the need, or are willing to change. They seem focused on creating an ideologically pure party regardless of the consequences. In short, this is the picture of a sad little party...and getting smaller each day.

Thanks for re-posting this on Backhouses behalf, Floyd!

I've been a Member of the Proported "Tree House Gang"

You're more then a member, you are a well respected "council man" ;o)

Keep the back-hoe running, the conspiracy yahoo's will be swarming this place shortly!

What is it about having friendships that drive them bat @!$%# crazy?

PS: Country ham & biscuits in the break room to cozy up with your cup of Colombian Supreme!

Least I could do Betty. Backhouse deserves better than he/she got Yesterday and everybody here knows it And Thanks for the Biscuits. Finest kind

Independent Redneck Va

Please stand up for the Assault Weapons Ban.

Thanks, IR, for posting this again.

Have some Green Chili Chicken Stew and a couple shots of Bourbon and you'll feel better tomorrow.

Salud

Re-post demon.

And none can say it better, IR.

I am a proud of member of the tree house gang too. We have always been pretty upfront that we are friends and met here on FR.

It AMAZES me daily, the paranoid ranting of the right wing nutjobs that post here, full of conspiracy theories about people that they don't know. We have friends, quit being so damn jealous and vindictive about it, and make your own.

We know that there are right wing groups as well. The difference is, we respect their privacy. In fact, I am greatly relieved that some of the crazies here can form relationships with other people. I just don't believe many of the people here know how. If you are one of those who cannot make friends on FR, quit bitching about those who can.

Remember this, you are posting on a political blog, where others post too. It isn't rocket science, it does not contain state secrets, and FR will survive no matter who posts. Taking down a post by someone who had a sincere opinion about an issue just tells us that you are a control freak.

Quit making anything more out of it. Sometimes the simplest things really are that simple.

Yes lets ban assault weapons because that is the answer to gun violence in this country. Criminals will certainly obey the law, and gun smuggling will make people rich. There is no doubt that another assault weapons ban will have the same impact at the last one, which was zero. But so long as liberals feel better and can pretend they are helping, who cares if they infringe upon the freedoms of everyone else.

Yes, Rick, some libbies are actually foolish enough to believe the lawbreakers will pay attention to new laws !

Double post deleted .... says it failed to post but it did.

Really, jim?

Why have any laws if you believe that? Why don't we just let anarchy reign?

There is no doubt that another assault weapons ban will have the same impact at the last one, which was zero

Proof of that assertion? There are several studies that show the assault weapons ban did have an impact. It is difficult to know for sure, since the CDC is not allowed to gather gun-violence information.

Opinion does not equal fact, even if it is a oft-repeated talking point.

I was trying to think of mass shootings in the news from my childhood, and all I could come up with was the Manson killings and the the Texas tower shootings. Oh, and the May lai massacre, but that was a war time atrocity. Nowadays we have a civilian atrocity ever few months.

several studies that show the assault weapons ban did have an impact. It is difficult to know for sure, since the CDC is not allowed to gather gun-violence information.

So did it or didn't it?...........for sure?

Talk to the Hand-

So did it or didn't it?...........for sure?

As I thought I clearly stated, several studies have shown favorable results from the assault weapons ban, while others claim there was no impact.

The TRUTH is hard to discern, because by law any comprehensive government study that advocates gunc ontrol is not allowed to be funded.

My point was that while it is stated repeatedly that the assault weapons ban did not have an impact, that is merely an opinion not an established fact.

Talk It's one of those things that rather subjective to prove or disprove as Tenn. says. Me personally since I don't Believe all the Bushra Mythology that goes with it I say it's worth trying and adjusting if we find that it doesn't have any effect. Seems to me it would be cheaper than going to the high price that we will pay for discovering that we could have down something and didn't

TNSEVOL

Opinion does not equal fact, even if it is a oft-repeated talking points.

Do you mean something like the liberal mantra that voter fraud doesn't exist?

@oldDAYYAWNING #2.7, Don't get your panties in a wad libbie ... I know the simpicity of an honest comment will go right over your head ......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmm !!!!

Try this concept (your head may explode) ... enforce existing laws instead of creating more to be ignored !

Rick-3416939

Do you mean something like the liberal mantra that voter fraud doesn't exist?

It is awesome because they use the statistic of .0001% voter fraud means there is no voter fraud and no need to disenfranchise people over this small percentage.

If they use this same math on the percentage of people who go off and perform a mass murder over the past 15 years, 10/313,000,000=.000000003%. They would rather let an even smaller percentage dictate what laws we place on virtually 100% of Americans.

Clearly a logical win for the gun grabbers.

EXACTLY, IR!!

I'm so tired of doing NOTHING because someone think it won't be enough! Even the smallest steps are progress.

IR, perfectly said!

Cowards are those who hide behind their on-line faux bravado and collapse/delete a post in anonymity.

Sure we have gun laws but few of them are National gun laws. 50 different state and countless city and town laws are ineffective because all one needs to do is drive outside the city limits or cross a state border to thwart the most well-intended laws. National laws regarding universal background checks, assault weapons and high magazine clip bans, along with laws against straw-man purchases would be effective because all the States would be on the same page.

Rick -

Do you mean something like the liberal mantra that voter fraud doesn't exist?

Funny you should mention that, in fact data DOES exist about voting fraud.

Several studies have tracked the incidents of succesfully prosected voter fraud, and none of them have found any significant levels.

Voter Registation fraud - YES. Actual fraud committed at the voting booth - NO.

Just a small sample (emphasis added):

In Colorado, election officials found 141 noncitizens on the voter rolls, which was 0.004 percent of the state's nearly 3.5 million voters. Florida officials found 207, or 0.001 percent of the state's 11.4 million registered voters. In North Carolina, 79 people admitted to election officials that they weren't citizens and were removed from the rolls, along with 331 others who didn't respond to repeated inquires.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/17/supreme-court-to-weigh-arizona-voter-registration-case/#ixzz2OBYWgUd6

Note that those are percentages of registered voters, not percentages of actual voters.

Voter Registation fraud - YES. Actual fraud committed at the voting booth - NO.

We have a case in MN now involving a lady who voted twice..is this a registration problem or a voting booth issue?

Morgs -

If they use this same math on the percentage of people who go off and perform a mass murder over the past 15 years, 10/313,000,000=.000000003%. They would rather let an even smaller percentage dictate what laws we place on virtually 100% of Americans.

What an unbelievable comparison! The infinitesimally small percentage of fraudulent voters had no impact on the results of the election, much less any impact on anyone's life.

Each of the mass murders you belittle as "small percentages" had a dramatic impact in terms of not only lives lost but lives impacted.

The laws you claim impact "virtually 100% of Americans" have NO impact on their freedoms, second amendment rights, or ability to defend themselves.

Interesting how Morgs does not relay the rest of the story:

The woman who voted twice is 86 years old and suffers from dementia.

She simply did not recall doing an absentee ballot.

Good for you, Morgs for trashing an elderly woman who has significant challenges. You must be SO proud.

What an unbelievable comparison!

This isn't far fetched at all. Voting fraud has the ability to change the lives of 313,000,000 people in the US plus the foreign policies they may bring in. This has the potential to cost thousands apon thousands of lives. Don't you think the integrity of the vote is worth that? Just like you think that banning assault weapons is worth it because of the potential to save lives? This comparison uses the same math you anti-voter peeps use but when applied to something you believe it it is just plain wrong. Well thank goodness we are in a democracy because your beliefs about how to save people are clearly different than mine.

The laws you claim impact "virtually 100% of Americans" have NO impact on their freedoms, second amendment rights, or ability to defend themselves.

You are correct, now. The ban has been taken out of the bill, my freedoms have been protected once again. It will resurface, it always does. What say you then?

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED -

Interesting how Morgs does not relay the rest of the story:

I have explained the entire story before, the specifics of her dementia don't play here. But the fact that even a senile woman in her 80's can perform voter fraud should show you how easy it is and why the integrity of the vote should be protected. Try to stay on track you dolt.

It should be noted that we cannot count on our election officials for catching fraud either. This happened right under their noses.

Morgs: That you would trash some poor woman on a national blog and accuse her of fraud does signify. It tells us about YOU.

It was caught. They are in the uncomfortable position of deciding whether grandma has to go to jail to please the bloodthirsty nutcases in the right wing. You ARE a Bachmann voter, aren't you?

Shame. On. You.

Uh, Jody @#2.19.... you continue to PERPETRATE THE FRAUD ! Explain to us all how posters on this thread are able to "DELETE" the comments of another !!! Please explain in detail !!!

You see, the REALITY is you libs are so desperate to play "VICTIM" that people like you and Feisty will simply LIE about the "DELETED" post !

Unless I am sadly mistaken, only the moderators of this thread can DELETE .... but that would get in the way with your "victim mode" wouldn't it ????

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED - Please show me where I have trashed this person?

You are attacking because you have no rebuttal, no defense. You have no clue how I feel about this situation other than the fact that I can point to you and say "yes" there is actual voter fraud happening and you don't care. Your ad homiems are nothing but that. Hope it gets you through one more day...

You see, the REALITY is you libs are so desperate to play "VICTIM" that people like you and Feisty will simply LIE about the "DELETED" post !

Jim, they have proclaimed to have the insight on how to do this but blame others for doing it. Not so smart.

Morgs-

You apparently struggle with math and morality.

One illegal vote has NO impact on anyone's life. NONE. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA. BUBKUS.

It would take a significant number of fraudulent votes, all for the same candidate, to have any impact on an election with even a relatively small voter turnout.

One shooter, one mass-murderer armed with a semi-automatic rifle or pistol with a high-capacity magazine, can impacts thousands of lives in a single minute.

Your inappropriate, irrelevant, and irreverent comparison of voter fraud to mass-murder is not only mathematically unsound but morally reprehensible.

Morgs said, "You are correct, now. The ban has been taken out of the bill, my freedoms have been protected once again. It will resurface, it always does. What say you then?"

What about the rest of the country morgs, there are a lot less gun owners then there are those that own guns and yet you insist your "rights" are more important then theirs. When do your rights stop and others rights begin? Where is my freedom from you?

In fairness of full disclosure, I am a gun owner and user. I have been that way for 50 plus years and a believer in the 2nd amendment as it is, not as you would like to make it.

Wow. If I were the family of the 86 year old woman, I would say the attack belongs to YOU Morgs.

And your response tells me two things. You did vote for Bachmann, and you aren't terribly bright or empathetic to the difficulties of an elderly woman.

I am confident enough to let objective readers decide.

Where is my freedom from you?

Go away problem solved right? Move to N.Korea, Cuba, China, Russia? Quit looking for government to protect and secure you cradle to grave..have some pride you liberal slime

TNSEVOL - Thanks for you opinion. I am not talking about one illegal vote, I am talking about voter fraud. You say there is none, I showed you there is. You say voter fraud will affect no one, I showed you it can. If Bush were elected by fraud, which you on the Left claim anyway, the Iraq war wouldn't have happened. How many lives would have been saved?

You are clouded by emotion which is perfectly understandable. One person regaurdless of weapon can change the lives of thousands of people in an instant but you focus on one tool of their trade. Focus on the person, that is the start, beginning, of all mass murder. Is fixing that problem too tough? Is that why you focus on gun instead? Or is it that guns are just more managable and you wouldn't want to trample on the rights of a mentally handicap person? Is discriminating against them right?

Your holier than though attitude does nothing for me. Post some facts if you want my attention.

Johntho - Thank goodness majority doesn't matter in this country then hu? Thought you libs were about protecting the minorities, guess not.

How are your rights affected by me owning a gun? Potential to affect your rights just doesn't work. Potential is everywhere and you can't legislate on that.

In fairness of full disclosure, I am a gun owner and user. I have been that way for 50 plus years and a believer in the 2nd amendment as it is, not as you would like to make it.

Really? Leave it just the way it is? Why are your panties in a bunch then? Why push the issue? Senility?

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED - What you can't comprehend is that it could have been an old lady, could have been an 18 year old, could have been a gun totting redneck, it don't matter. Fraud is fraud no matter who commits it. Sure this lady didn't mean it but that isn't my point and you can't get that through your head. You just rather blame and label than deal with the situation. Rather call names and make ad homiems. You are one stand up individual. Thanks for the debate.

Yes, Jimmy, you are sadly mistaken.

Is it moron day on FR?

Morgs: " could have been an 18 year old...."

It wasn't. It WAS a poor senile old woman who was trying to do her duty as citizen to vote. Quit trashing this poor woman.

God, what does it take to get through your thick skull?

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED - You are stuck on the old lady, was she your mother? Would it make you feel better for me to use a different example of voter fraud?

Again, point out where I trashed this lady. If you can't you are just trolling.

http://www.truethevote.org/news/did-you-know-there-are-voter-fraud-convictions-and-prosecutions-in-46-states

Here is a list of voter fraud convictions, replace your mom with any of these and it still makes my point. Like talking to a freaking wall.

Again, point out where I trashed this lady. If you can't you are just trolling.

welcome to NEWDAYS world.. this is her M.O. Just like Good Ol' Fisty, will attempt to discredit you by twisting your words and repeating it ad nauseum...much like Lenin stated "A lie told often enough becomes truth"...

Actually, my mom, a saint if ever there was one died a really horrible death from ALS about this time a few years ago.

Thank you for reminding me of it.

I would be proud of this woman if she were my mother. God bless her, trying to do her civic duty in the face of haters like you.

Your source proves what I said before. The few examples that there are of out right fraud are caught and prosecuted.

Now I know the intellectual capabilities of the Bachmann voters.

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED - I am guessing that will be as close to a concession as I will get from the blind.

The few examples that there are of out right fraud are caught and prosecuted.

But fraud don't exist? Make up your mind. Starting to think Bachmann may be your mom, she doesn't take a hint very well either but she will be gone next round.

Morgs-

I gave you facts about the levels of voter fraud, and you ignored them.

I pointed out the FACT that one fraudulent vote impacts no one, and one mass-murderer impacts thousands.

You offered hypotheticals about levels of voter fraud that do not exist, and offered no facts to support your concerns.

You say we should focus on mentally-challenged persons, most of whom would be difficult or impossible to identify or control.

Your holier than though attitude does nothing for me. Post some facts if you want my attention.

I posted facts, you ignored them. That doesn't make me "holier than thou" but it does appear to make me more reasonable.

You offered hypotheticals about levels of voter fraud that do not exist, and offered no facts to support your concerns.

Was G.W.Bush voted in with fraud or not? If he was than it more than validates my point about changing the lives of thousands of people. If he wasn't and it was legit, please explain that to your brethren.

Yes, the mentally challenged would be difficult. Are we not American's? Do we not overcome these issues? Apparently not. Rather go after low-hanging fruit because of the misdeeds of 10 people in a 15 year span.

Poor Morgs, You are so desperate to be right.

Voter fraud is NOT a problem in this country. People who don't educate themselves and refuse to vote are.

And you are just like every other Bachmann voter out there. You won't admit it.

Voter fraud is NOT a problem in this country

You are right and statically speaking neither are assault weapons. Look into handguns if you want to make a change. Glad you and TV have added legitimacy to G.W. Bush's election. Bet that was tough on you.

5 posts from you about my facts and not once shred of evidence put up by you to prove me wrong. I can't believe I am wasting my time feeding you. I should not be getting trolled by the likes of you.....my bad.

Yep, I agree with you Morgs, you did indeed lose the day. Pick up your ball and RUN! It is your only salvation.

Disgustus, you can move to Iran, or Somalia, or Bum@!$%# Egypt as far as I am concerned, but they would be worse then they are now if you did.

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED - Johntho

I am guessing this is a last word thing with you two....fight it out. Lets see your claws. LOL. You two crack me up.

You really want to see some trolling Lou Gerhig? Nah, I am not a dick. I will keep my game out of the gutter. Have fun with your life.

Morgs, my right to feel safe in a public place. That is how my rights are effected, by your right to carry. You are just like the other gun nuts. "A ban on weapons like this won't work" yet you offer no solution and insist you are the only one with rights. You accept the killing of 20 small children, pumped full of bullets from a weapon that is designed exactly for that project and that type of project and insist on the status quo. I want my rights, I want these weapons banned and every hand gun in the U.S. registered, and back ground check for anyone buying so much as a BB gun. Doing nothing is what we are have been doing and it is a failure on every level. I want kids to be able to go to school, not an armed encampment called school. What the hell?

Morgs, it is one thing to try to stop voter fraud, which by the way is minimal at best, it is another thing to disenfranchise voters because you feel some people shouldn't vote, either by race or economic posistion. That is what voter ID laws that do not protect those people. It is wrong to tell any citizen they can not vote because they might not vote the same as you and voter ID laws will do exactly that.

Johntho

That is what voter ID laws that do not protect those people. It is wrong to tell any citizen they can not vote because they might not vote the same as you and voter ID laws will do exactly that.

Did you quote this directly from the bill? I certainly didn't read the purpose of this was to disenfranchise other voters.

Kind of like you didn't read that gun registration was the first step to confiscation that the right says. But that is all just hear say and you guys really aren't about that are you? See, this is not fact. This is what we think may happen to people. See the difference there?

You take your ideas as fact when they are not. Voter ID was to stop fraud, anything more is a figment of your paranoid imagination.

What is funny is you don't even know my stance on Voter ID but you certainly think you do so that makes it fact in your mind so you have to defend it.

Morgs, my right to feel safe in a public place.

Disarming me will help that? I am not a criminal or the one you should worry about. Why target me?

Background checks we can agree on. This will help with the mentally challenged. But you will be giving up other protections with this. I will be able to do a background check on you, get your personal mental health data, post it on FR and bring reason to your rants. Do you want that? Criminal history? You better believe I will be looking that up. Are those freedoms you want to lose? For now i am squeaky clean so bring on the background checks. I feel for all the people who go to shrinks, this data will now be the governments data. Who knows what they will do with that.

Tnsevol: the CDC is not allowed to gather gun-violence information

And we can thank the NRA for that. Not only do they misrepresent what facts there are, they will not allow facts to be collected.

Why, Morgs, did you get your feelings hurt that badly?

It is tough to be caught out like that and stand defenseless in front of the nation.

You do look as silly as you think you do, so you are quite right to run, and avoid engaging with me again.

Poor fellow.

Still waiting on that response from Jody to explain how posts here are deleted ! Of course, then we have OldDayYawning trying to tell us it CAN be done ... but BOOOMMMM !!! totally fails to prove it !

Oh well, a little more fiber in his diet may help him keep from filling up his Depends undergarments when the truth is revealed !

Morgs, you are arguing on a false equivalency in #2.17.

If you're going to base your gun statistics on the total population of 313 million, then you must also base your voter fraud claims on that same population.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

If you're going to base your gun statistics on the total population of 313 million, then you must also base your voter fraud claims on that same population.

Are people under the age of 18 able to vote? If you want me to include them in the stats I certainly can but I rather use the numbers the pros give me. If I add the total population to the Voter ID numbers you will see even less voter fraud which validates my point. You believe there is statistically no voter fraud? I think there is statistically no mass murders. It is just simple rational/critical thinking. If you are going to use rules to prove your point on one subject those rules should apply to every subject. But since those rules prove yourself wrong you try to make false equivalencies. Won't fly here.

[Is it moron day on FR?]

Maybe so, but if ass holes could fly, this place would be an airport.

@ Johntho

Yet you accept lawyers and judges giving piles of crap that you may or may not encounter weak a$$ sentences, that get them right back on the streets within a very few years. Why are you not screaming to high heaven about them? If only we gave these cretins proper sentences (many who deserve the death penalty), we may get to see gun violence drop dramatically

Morgs you didn't answer my question, all you do is blow smoke. When do your right to have a gun like this stop and my right to be safe from you start? When I can shoot back, is that you plan, survivor has the right? Morgs you are wrong about the second amendment and you are wrong about these guns. There is no practical purpose for these guns in civilian hands.

When do your right to have a gun like this stop and my right to be safe from you start?

Well, it won't. Hence the 2nd amendment.

There is no practical purpose for these guns in civilian hands.

Tell that to the shop owners during the LA riots when police wouldn't even save them.

@ Morgs

There is going to be a big problem with mental health checks. There is this minute thing called HIPAA.

You even blow smoke about voter fraud, that is the purpose because republicans cannot win anymore without cheating and what is worse you know it and you endorse it. You have no argument when you have to blow smoke to cover up the fact you are wrong and you know it.

I will ask you one more time. When does your right to own this kind of weapon stop and my right to feel safe start? You have no answer, but I can tell you, you have no right to own or have you possesion any type of military weapon and that is exactly what you are saying, you do have that right, and you don't

You even blow smoke about voter fraud

If you are going to make accusations prove to me that I am wrong. When you have seen, read or heard from a republican or anyone else that Voter ID is all about voter disenfranchisement??

I will tell you, you haven't. You simply believe what you say is correct. I for one am not for Voter ID in its current state because of the disenfranchisement but I certainly have brought up proposals to fix this and still implement the Voter ID laws. What have you done?

When does your right to own this kind of weapon stop and my right to feel safe start?

Your question makes no sense but I will try...again. First of all my right to own this kind of weapon has not stopped and by the looks of things it won't. Got it? You dems aren't even on the same page so good luck. Now for your right to feel safe, it starts from within you Johntho. Your fear is yours and yours alone. When you step outside you have laws that protect you, these wonderful laws that give you the illusion of being safe. Ban everything, will that make you feel safe? Would a total ban make you feel safe when in reality the criminal down the street still has an armory? Will this law make you at least feel safe? Give me a break.

Zappa's that is a whole different subject. All people that commit crimes are not career criminals. There is practically no rehabilitative process in our penal system. We incarcerate. We warehouse, but when these people are released they have no more life skills then they had before they went in, and in fact come out smarter criminals. Its harder to catch them. The death penalty is wrong, it solves nothing, and it makes the state a murderer. Like I said, that is a whole different argument.

I know you may scoff at the source, but Jessi Jackson is right when he said our priorities are eschewed when we pay more to incarcerate then we pay to educate and if you want to really find the problem we need to look at our education system that does not prepare many to succeed in life. Basic skills not specialized. We as a nation have gone downhill and our education system which has become unaffordable is a major problem.

Morgs, And the preamble means nothing? Morgs, no one is safer with you with a gun in the room. No guns in the room, no one gets shot. One gun in the room and the chances of someone getting shot go up by 100%, and with two guns in the room the chance of a gun fight where innocent people get shot goes up 100%. More guns is and will never be the answer.

Morgs, I got to go, its coffee break and I don't miss coffee at MickyDee's, more or less we move discussion to there, it goes on, with different people. What have I don't about voter ID, here in Michigan I show it.

and your last comment, don't count your chickens, the mass killings are not over and more and more support for my way of thinking will happen as more 1st graders get massacred.

One more thing, you claim "law abiding citizen" one wrong squeeze of the trigger, just one, that changes. Most of the killings at least lately have been done by previously "law abiding citizens" and with legally purchased weapons. So that is really no argument.

Johntho - If you want to get into "what if's" talk to David Walker, he is the writer of the bunch. Enjoy your coffee.

Are people under the age of 18 able to vote?

techincally yes but its up to the states. 26th amendment makes a law the minimum age is 18, anything under that, the states can 'discriminate'. The states get to decide who votes with a few exceptions mentioned in the Amendments of the Constitution.

@ johntho

I do agree about education. However, I truly do not believe it to be murder when executing a murderer. They deserve none of my tax money to house them, as they had no regard for those they murder

Zappas it is homicide, I misspoke. Ending ones life before their time. There you go putting money before anything else including taking an innocent life. And that does happen. One mistake by a jury. The problem is in the system it is built in. Prosecutors have unlimited funds to prosecute people. Many times, and I mean a lot prosecutor are more interested in the conviction then finding actual guilt. Most of the accused don't have the kind of money to fight a wrongful conviction, and end up at least spending many years in jail trying to prove themselves innocent. Some have been killed by the state. The death penalty is wrong and his been banned in Michigan since 1847 or something like that. I would rather pay taxes to keep a guilty prisoner in jail then to kill an innocent person.

morgs, Its not what if nothing, a majority feel the way I do about these weapons, and it is overwhelming about back ground checks which you agree with. Registration, is important as well as tracking crime. Maybe just maybe it can be reduced. But we will never know until we try it. Remember you are not offering any solution other then your "2nd amendment" rights. Which by the way is a stretch.

disgustus, I am not going to leave you out, your still a disgusting ass.

On the issue of voter fraud/ I know only what I read here,but I am sure it exists but I.M.O. it is not a serious enough problem to make it too hard for some voters to be denied their right to vote. To me,the Gerrymandering by our Employees is a much more serious attempt to destroy Democracy in our country. That should disturb all voters more than this light-weight possible voter fraud.

Talk to the Hand

several studies that show the assault weapons ban did have an impact. It is difficult to know for sure, since the CDC is not allowed to gather gun-violence information.

So did it or didn't it?...........for sure?

No one know for sure. The Republican Party acting on the behest of the NRA has successfully blocked federal agencies from studying gun violence. They have also blocked federal funding for non-government studies. The last government study was a CDC study released in 1993.

Caesar Augustus-

Where is my freedom from you?

Go away problem solved right? Move to N.Korea, Cuba, China, Russia? Quit looking for government to protect and secure you cradle to grave..have some pride you liberal slime

OK...then we can disband the United States military, FBI, CIA, US Customs and Border Patrol, Federal Marshals...etc. I mean if the Government isn't responsible to protect and secure...look at how much money we can same...now that's smaller government!

Thank you IR. That has to be one of the saddest pieces I have ever read. I cannot imagine there's a G.I. out there who cannot understand or feel the terrible truth in it.

Take a look at this link for an idea who REALLY wins wars. http://www.ruckus.org/warprofiteers/

For all the tough-talkers who think war is the solution - TAKE THE POINT.

more idiotic stupidity from spoon-fed liberal morons.

veteran of iraq here. you don't speak for me

IR: I read that yesterday, and it was heartbreaking. Blessings to the man and his family.

Cheney and Bush have much to answer for to the God they claim to believe in.

why does the military vote go to Republicans?

why did the obama administration try to supress the military vote?

And Folwnj:

You don't speak for anyone else either.

No FOWNJ He doesn't speak for me either. Wrong War. But the results were the same it just took us 50,000 to learn the lesson that your Generation should have remembered.

different war; everythign is different;

you're a joke

but thanks for serving anyway

again; why does the military vote almost always go to Republicans?

David Walker -- Your right , these weekend idoits should be on POINT just to find out what it's REALLY like, might change some minds. Of coarse most haven't got the guts to be there in the first place.

FOLWNJ

Can we please stop feeding this serial re-regger?

And FOLWNJ I'm sure your just going to regale us with all sorts of Citations to back up your Allegations of wrongdoing. Or are you like most of the Yahoo Brethren that think I should believe things just because you say so.

the military is generally more conservative. you guys are dinosaurs and jokes. look who enlists and who doesnt.

McCain has a son serving; so does Palin

i dont need to regale you left-wing loser; your mind is already set to stupid; you dont need me cluttering things up with facts and sh*t

Saddam broke every resolution for ending the Kuwait War. He threatened his neighbors, gassed thousands upon thousands, subjected the citizens of Iraq to brutality and rape and greatly increased instability in a vital region.. It's a shame that after the inspectors got kicked out in 1998 that Clinton didn't follow up on this dangerous man Saddam and instead let him off the hook for 2 years while Saddam also made fools out of those running the Oil for Food program. He also led the inspectors around by their noses while breaking EVERY resolution for ENDING THE GULF WAR. And yes don't forget Jamie Gorelick the Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton administration who threw up the wall of separation between the CIA and FBI in sharing intelligence information. The fact that Al Qeada decided to increase its numbers and fight in Iraq makes it more convenient to eliminate many birds with one stone. It’s unfortunate the Democrats are totally incompetent here and are still trying to surrender in the midst of victory. Kudos to the bravest and finest men in the US military. Stability in the ME is huge for America and the world.
Yes many Democrats spoke out vehemently against Saddam and approved the war. You should be thankful for no more attacks in 8 years otherwise you would be bitchin at Bush for doing nothing like the neglect during the Clinton years.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

_Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government.

Top Al Qaeda leaders killed by our bravest and finest under Bush in Iraq......Iraq......Iraq

Killed Nov. 14, 2001
Mohammed Atef

Killed Nov. 3, 2002
Salim al-Harethi

Killed Nov. 30, 2005
Abu Hamza Rabia

Killed June 7, 2006
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

Killed Sept. 25, 2006
Omar al-Farouq

Killed Jan. 29, 2008
Abu Yahya al-Libi

Killed July 2008
Midhat Mursi

Congratulations President Bush and America's bravest and finest

FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ... an average of 112,500 per year.
The USA was already unofficially at war with Germany since USA naval forces were shooting to kill German naval units in the Atlantic, this was BEFORE Germany's declaration of war

Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea . North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ... an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson (DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ... an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

Thank You IR.

May the perps of the Iraq War fraud one day, be brought to justice!

The painful lessons of Iraq

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-ten-years-later-recalling-iraqs-hard-lessons/2013/03/20/5a05890c-90d7-11e2-bdea-e32ad90da239_story.html?hpid=z5

From The Right Wing Today. Even they admit that it was a mistake. Problem is jblast it's hard to take back a Mistake once Troops are Killed and Maimed. And that is the central truth of our Time

jblast and others:

The Iraq War was the first pre-emptive war in American history. We invaded a sovereign country that had not directly or indirectly attacked either us or our allies.

This was not a peace-keeping mission, defense of an ally, or an attempt to repel an invasion.

It was a dramatic shift in policy, based on lies and deception, supported by questionable intelligence.

we invaded Haiti 3 times. did they attack us?

iraq was hardly the first time we had a "pre-emptive" war

Chilled Yes lets bring them to justice. That would be Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton and about 500 other congressmen that voted for the wars.

Bush could not go to war on his own, he needed the approval of congress.

But Obama can go to war without congress approval. Libya, Yemen and Pakistan.

Kevint Again you are assuming facts that aren't in eviedence. All the Congress did was approve the Actions of the President. If they hadn't Geo. Bush had the same avenue of taking us to war whether or not they approved or not. It's called the War Powers Act. So let's talk about reality and not some made up Bushra to deflect. With out Reflecting on the Mistakes of the Past we are Doomed to repeat them in the Future.

With out Reflecting on the Mistakes of the Past we are Doomed to repeat them in the Future.

Tell this administration this. Gun ban in the Reagan years yielded nothing so lets double down and try it again. We can also note all the Bush era extensions on damn near everything. Libs scream about all the Bush crap but applaud when O does the same thing.

We are certainly doomed to repeat.

Or are you like most of the Yahoo Brethren that think I should believe things just because you say so.

well isnt that what you expect out of others IR with your long winded soap box rants...??? more Lefty Loon do as i say not as I do..im smarter than thou...more *Yawn

So while you continue to rail against conservatives for 'deleting' Backhouse's post you KNOW you're side has been outted for the deplorable activities in past...so while you put your Rep on it, it matters not. NOT like the Right is impressed and youre lefty buddies will continue to lap up whatever tripe you throw out...

C.A I'll say again You got proof put it up. Till then your just like the rest of the Yahoo Brethren that wants me to believe that you can make up your own facts and expect everybody to just believe it because you said it. Don't work that way. I put up posts. You either take what you want from that or Give me Facts to back up your difference of opinion or move on and ignore it. That is What We do. Don't know what you do other than stir up nonsensical sh!t but even I must admit that your damn good at that if nothing else.

IR, powerful letter, thanks for posting it.

jblast, keep buying what Bush/Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi Rice, Richard Perl, Wolfowitz, and all the others sold you. Believing the lies sold are exactly why the lessons learned about the disaster in Vietnam were ignored by Bush and his minions; why similar lies were twisted into a new form by Bush/Cheney and his phony mushroom cloud hysteria. Iraq was no threat to the USA, Iraq under Hussein was a deterent to Iran. Odd the Iraq war cheerleaders speak about Saddam Hussein killing his own people and attacking other Middle East countries while ignoring the fact that the Middle East is tribal, has always been and likely will continue for a decade or more to be at war with itself.

You got proof put it up.

as i said yesterday, i can't prove it. I was however able to put up past transgressions in your Treehouse to demonstrate who likely would do it...As Dennis himself yesterday admitted he knows how to get Posts deleted.. I make no accusations, i dont care if you believe me i know i will not sway a single persons mind here..

That is What We do

no you put up opinion like the rest of us...you say its fact.

Don't know what you do other than stir up nonsensical sh!t but even I must admit that your damn good at that if nothing else.

Geeze IR you act like i have a pattent on that..in fact maybe you should look at the VERY FIRST POST...I have stated countless times, you self serving liberal slimeballs derail everything right from the start and then cry foul...typically i have problems with you or your posts...i take them for what they are but i think its foolish to believe anyone right of Fidel Castro is this monster. I dont want speech banned, or guns, or religion, or press or due process..but it sure seems the left is hell bent on 'fundamentally' changing that for the 'better'.

why does the military vote go to Republicans?

It doesn't. A very large portion has gone to President Obama.

Dear Friends:

CA posts nothing worth reading.

I never read what he writes because I can only stand so much stupidity in one day.

Ignore. He isn't worth the time.

FOLWNJ-

we invaded Haiti 3 times. did they attack us? iraq was hardly the first time we had a "pre-emptive" war

The 1911 invasion was only after American citizens and American interests were attacked. I dont agree with the entire rational, although it hardly qualifies as a pre-emptive war.

In 1994 Clinton intervened in an attempt to ease the suffering and stop the flow of refugees, no US troops actually landed and there was a peaceful transfer of power. Not even a war at all, much less a pre-emptive one.

The 2010 "invasion" was an occupation after the eartquake wiped out the government and the UN presence. Agina, hardly a pre-emptive war.

Strike Three, You're Out...

CA posts nothing worth reading.

thanks for the compliment NEWDAYYAWNING... I smile :o)

What if I bashed Republicans all day...would you find that worthy of reading..i bet you would...

Folwnj: McCain has a son serving; so does Palin

So does Biden. What's your point?

C.A.

You got proof put it up.

as i said yesterday, i can't prove it

And like I said when you do put it up and I will discuss it with you. Till then unlike The Yahoo Brethren who seems to spend a inordinate amount of time around here with time on their hands I do have a fairly high level job with an employer that expects a certain shall we say return on his investment so I don't have much time to waste on you and your idle speculation and conspiracy theory's.

I.R. A very sad letter and one the should be read. There are too many who send us into wars without ever having served themselves. If they had served they would understand the consequences. I agree with the author on the lack of healthcare to our veterans. I asked just that question "In the Boiler Room" yesterday. Thanks for your service.

Hey Lis My thanks to the A4 Pilot who (or one like him) probably saved My Bacon on several occasions. I saw that on the Boiler Room yesterday and thanks for asking it. Things are a little better for the Troops than they were but still not good enough everywhere by a long shot. Did you see the new state of the art Rehab facility they opened up down here about a month ago. Now if we could just get them spread out a little to other areas. But it's a pull because the Pols have a tendency to forget the sacrifice when it iis over and they can put them out of sight out of mind. Did you bring me some Anejo? Raising a stink even in a good cause builds up a Thirst

jblast

First American Casualty In Vietnam (then called French Indo-China) Was an OSS Officer, Lt Col Dewey, 1945, Sent there by the Truman administration. He was shot by a U.S. Backed Viet Mihn Soldier led by Ho chi Mihn.

FOLWNJ

more idiotic stupidity from spoon-fed liberal morons.

veteran of iraq here. you don't speak for me

Explain why it is idiotic stupidity...or STFU! This is about our habit of going to war every generation, it's not specifically about Iraq...so you're no more qualified than anyone else.

jblast

FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ... an average of 112,500 per year.

Germany declared war on the United States December 11, 1941, four days after the Perl Harbor attack.

The USA was already unofficially at war with Germany since USA naval forces were shooting to kill German naval units in the Atlantic, this was BEFORE Germany's declaration of war

The German Navy sank the USS Reuben James (DD245) on 31 Oct 1941. I believe most people would consider that an act of war. You attitude toward the Axis Powers reminds me of a gentleman by the name of Prescott Bush.

Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea . North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ... an average of 18,334 per year.

The trigger for the war was when, in 1950, Syngman Rhee boasted that he was going to attack North Korea. It was a good enough excuse – the North Koreans invaded South Korea. This started the actual fighting. Did anyone attack us in Vietnam? Panama? Grenada? Persian Gulf? Bosnia? Kosovo? Iraq? Afghanistan?

John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

The first US Soldiers sent to Vietnam was in 1950 under President Truman (D). Additional soldiers sent by President Eisenhauer (R). President Kennedy (D) increased that number as did President Johnson (D). The largest expansion was under the direction of President Nixon (R).

Johnson (DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ... an average of 5,800 per year.

And Nixon (REPUBLICAN) had nothing to do with it? Amazing, no Americans were killed in Vietnam under President Nixon. Funny, I served during the Nixon Administration and I don't remember it that way.

Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

George W. Bush (REPUBLICAN) sent us to war with Afghanistan. Afghanistan never attacked us. George W. Bush (REPUBLICAN) sent us to war with Iraq. Iraq never attacked us.

George W Bush (REPUBLICAN) failed to get Osama bin Laden.

Barrack Obama (DEMOCRAT) did.

...and your point is?

don't: No one, no one is trying to take away your right to bear arms....just saying.

Damn texsas Is that what we were fighting for. Hell I thought it was Weapons of Mass Destruction no wait It was to establish A Democratic Friend No wait it was Stay The Course no wait it was Fight Them Over There So We Don't Have to Fight Them Over Here. Thanks for clearing that up in my mind.

it was all of the above left-wing nutjob

but is is amusing watching left-wing morons whine about a war they kept funding for years

anything i can do to help the blind see.you are welcome

yes Bush laid out all those reasons for going into iraq. thanks for that leftard.

but i notice even you didnt try to say Bush said it was revenge for 9-11

thanks for being honest left-wing nutjob!

Dragon: you must not live in Chicago?

I know it is a waste of time to respond to all of the low-information posters on this comment, but the Supreme Court has made some recent rulings on the Second Amendment, and they came to two conclusions:

1) Guns cannot be banned, outlawed, or confiscated

2) Limits on the types of guns, ammo, magazines, etc. are constitutional.

TNSEVOL: please tell that to the law abiding citizens of Chicago who would like to own a gun. I'm sure it will make them fell better.

FOLWNJ

but i notice even you didnt try to say Bush said it was revenge for 9-11

What he and Dick Cheney said was that Saddam Hussein was supporting and training Al Qaeda. They were lying, and everyone in the intelligence community at the time who was familiar with the secular Hussein and the religious fanatic Bin Laden knew that Bush and Cheney were lying.

CB750 -

TNSEVOL: please tell that to the law abiding citizens of Chicago who would like to own a gun. I'm sure it will make them fell better.

Although they cannot carry one in public, law-abiding Chicago citizens have been able to own guns since 2010, after the Supreme Court ruling.

@ TNSEVOL

Please tell me why Frankenstein put in this big list of guns to be banned in her bill? Was that a figment of everyones imagination?

that's right, those young people were dying so them big men and gals could have 30 rounds to instantly shoot from their Bushmasters. I bet the 20 sets of parents in Sandyhook are really using that one as a justification for Bush, Cheny and Rice et al taking us into Iraq.

Iraq War was voted on prior to entering into. Do all those that voted Yes share the blame with Bush?

FOLWNJ

it was all of the above left-wing nutjob

but is is amusing watching left-wing morons whine about a war they kept funding for years

Shouldn't be surprising at all. Democrats don't abandon our troops or our veterans. Democrats were the ones that shamed the Republicans in Congress to pay to up-armor the HMMWVs and provide adequate body armor. Seems to me I remember a conservative telling a group of soldiers "You go to war with the army you have---not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." when they asked why they had to scrounge through junk heaps to find material they could use to up-armor their HMMWVs.

roc1960

Iraq War was voted on prior to entering into. Do all those that voted Yes share the blame with Bush?

Not altogether. That resolution included a proviso that GW go back to the UN...which he didn't do. They do however, share the blame for being gutless and not calling him on it.

FOLWNJ

yes Bush laid out all those reasons for going into iraq. thanks for that leftard.

but i notice even you didnt try to say Bush said it was revenge for 9-11

thanks for being honest left-wing nutjob!

Richard Clarke (George W. Bush's former White House Terrorism Adviser) says that as early as the day after the attacks, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was pushing for retaliatory strikes on Iraq, even though al Qaeda was based in Afghanistan.

Clarke suggests the idea took him so aback, he initially thought Rumsfeld was joking.

The Bush Administration implicated Iraq in the 9/11 attack throughout his first term and a good portion of his second term. It wasn't until late in his second term that he admitted they had no evidence Saddam was involved in 9/11.

Based on your comment, you really should read Richard Clarke's book "Against All Enemies,"

Bibi is gracioius; as in anybody putting on a smile while having to suffer this inept loser defiling the White House

Yes Jody.... elections have consequences. That is why Republicans control the House !!!

Libtards actually beleive Obama was elected dictator and that Congress was meant to be his personal "rubber stamp" !

Libtards actually beleive Obama was elected dictator and that Congress was meant to be his personal "rubber stamp" !

Again, a right wing statement which is an opinion, but nowhere near an actual fact. No wonder the years of having another republican in office as President, are way behind us as a Nation.

Um,...gerrymandering has consequences and THAT "my friend" is why Republicans still hold the House.

no; my left-wing moron friend; Repubs hold the House because the OBAMA CENSUS shows Red states gaining population and FAILED BLUE STATES LOSING POPULATION.

the gerrymandering thing is just a talking point spoon-fed to liberal losers who dont have any other explanation why people are fleeing Blue states for Red states

Oh, Clara ....again you libbies always have EXCUSES when you lose ! LOL !! You just can't accept reality !!

Oh, and BJob1 .... we know that in your fantasy world only the OPINIONS of LWBJ's such as you are magically elevated to the status of "FACT". LOL ! So glad to know my comments of yesterday are still eating on your "brain" !

FOLWNJ

the gerrymandering thing is just a talking point spoon-fed to liberal losers who dont have any other explanation why people are fleeing Blue states for Red states

The "liberal losers" actually got 1.5 million more votes in 2012 for their US House candidates than the Republicons got. And you obviously don't know what the term "gerrymander" means. It has nothing to do with the size of state populations. It's a method of splitting up districts within a state to ensure that the ruling party gets more House seats than they would if they were apportioned according to the popular vote in the state.

Jody---I was trying to imagine what President Obama was thinking as he interacted with Netanyahu. And I agree with you about the open mic---no accident there.

Well now, when is Loren going to have the president on playing Mr. Subliminal? lol

Jody,

Don't kid yourself, our President knew the mic was open.

Does anyone think it was an accident, I watched it, and the only thing I got out of it was a smile. The president was keeping it, nothing more, nothing less.

jim-1455434

Yes Jody.... elections have consequences. That is why Republicans control the House !!!

Libtards actually beleive Obama was elected dictator and that Congress was meant to be his personal "rubber stamp" !

Enjoy it while you can. Even your leadership understands your days as a viable party are numbered.

FOLWNJ,

[record welfare and a record 48 million on food stamps in Year 5.]

All thanks to the previous Administration mishandling of … well … everything

of COURSE nutjob; it's year 5 and all loser progressives can manage is to blame the last guys!

wow

deflect much???it always the other guys fault

hahahaha

wow leftard!! just when DOES obama's watch start?

Dennis, take a look at the date. GW has been out of office for five years now. Time to own up instead of deflecting.

The "blame game" seems to be all the "regressives" have to fall back upon. It is like they are admitting that Obama is incapable of overcoming obstacles and moving this country forward.

Of course, people like Denny will blame Ohio State's football probation on Michigan ! LOL !!

All thanks to the previous Administration mishandling of … well … everything

So true Dennis. The Bush years almost crushed us as a Nation. However, we now Great Leadership in President Obama and the Nation is stronger now than Bush left us!!! Thank GOD!

Another Obama apologist arises ! LOL !! So, based on your logic, we must also assume GWB is responsible for getting Bin Laden .... you know, since EVERYTHING relates back to Bush ! Is that right libbie ?

CB750,

And Saint Reagan has been out of office for 25 years yet our nation still suffers from his policies.

Trickle down failure

Beginning of stagnate growth of the middle class

Cut taxes and increase spending doubling our National debt

Started NAFTA talks

. . .and yet the whole country prospered under President Reagan.

. . .and who signed NAFTA into law? (hint, he was not a Republican)

FOLWJ and Jim

Your little minds can't begin to comprehend how much damage 8 years of Bush did to our country. We will be on the mend for DECADES thanks to Bush and Cheney's folly.

CB750,

As our country did under Clinton but what happened after 2000 ?

Oops … Bush Jr.

no chuck-tard; your little mind cant comprehend it's year 5 of obama. you're a loser like your president; addicted to making idiotic excuses

Well said Dennis, I was a victim of Reaganomics, T.G. for Bill Clinton who had this country running strong in almost every way. Then came the guy the right wing idiots on here don't want to talk about. George W. Bush who took a prosperous nation, at peace to a nation that is broken and at war. But we don't want to talk about that. We can just blame Obama because he is a black man living in a white house and we know how that makes the south feel. It would seem like the truth would hurt these brainless righty's, but they just deflect it and make something up. What a strategy, to bad it is failing and they are the ones losing elections.

The only loser here is you FOLWNJ, you are fool of your own making though.

and yet the whole country prospered under President Reagan.

President Reagan never met a tax hike he didn't like. However, his second term was better, because the unemployment numbers during his first term were sky high.

And there is the debate over trickle down which failed.

all those tax hikes dont stop left-wing idiots from calling Reagan the father of "trickle-down".

so golly left-wing nutjobs jobs just how many times do yo uhave to raise taxes on people to get respect from left-wing nutjobs?

moronic left-wing losers like Job1 keep forgetting the Reagan Democrats; the term given to all those Democrats in congress that voted for Reagan's policies; tax hikes, military spending; all of it.

Dems are pathetic losers and crybabies unable to come to terms with their own Party history

Have to admit you are correct about Bill Clinton. But you have left out that he worked WITH a Republican Congress to get the job done.

FYI: I voted for him his second term.

The latest estimate I saw is that the cost for the care of our wounded military personnel who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan in the coming years will be $8 Trillion. That doesn't include the cost of the wars or the treatment of the wounded already incurred. The Bush/Cheney fiasco will be paid for by this country for decades to come.....all for an unnecessary war in Iraq and the failure of Bush/Cheney to finish the first one in Afghanistan before heading off to a second endless one.

Think about that. Another $8 TRILLION and what do we have to show for it? What has this country sacrificed and gone without, not just in blood and treasure, for one war that was started based on lies and cherry-picked data to satisfy the war-lust of the perpetrators?

CB, he didn't work with a republican congress, your memory is short. Newt Gingrich shut down the government in that period which by the way was a disaster for republicans. Clinton led this country in spite of a republican congress. Bush had that same republican congress, how well did that work out? Two wars and an unfunded drug benefit for seniors. Well done W.

CB, he didn't work with a republican congress, your memory is short. Newt Gingrich shut down the government in that period which by the way was a disaster for republicans. Clinton led this country in spite of a republican congress. Bush had that same republican congress, how well did that work out? Two wars and an unfunded drug benefit for seniors. Well done W.

Bubble gum

FOLWNJ,

[so golly left-wing nutjobs jobs just how many times do yo uhave to raise taxes on people to get respect from left-wing nutjobs?]

Federal tax receipts are at a 40 year low as a percent of our economy (GDP)

Federal tax receipts are projected to be at an all-time high for this fiscal year ... great job of attempted distortion !

jim,

That is TRUE in dollars but NOT as a percent of GDP

That is paramount to talking about Chrysler's huge percentage increase in sales ! The truth is their prior year SUCKED so bad that any improvement appeared to be HUGE percentage wise! LOL !!

As Mark Twain would say ... "There are lies, damned lies and statistics ..." Of course I would expect for you to resort to statistics ... easily the most deceptive !

You accept using the GDP when it proves your point but deny its usefulness when it doesn’t work for you

I think you know the term for that stance …

Now those Democrats are the Republicans.

Aaahhh, so now BJob1 is a self-appointed expert on southern politics ? LOL !!

you are either an ignorant idiot unaware of history; or a liar

your choice

Actually, he is both.

No, actually he is telling the truth. You both are liars. The same liars that said they were democrats in the south, long before you were born.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!1

another left-wing nutcase inspecting his colon; afraid to confront Democrat history!

Oh, johnnyboy ... you seem to have this ongoing desire to make a fool out of yourself ! Let me guess .... you are a retired union auto worker, living off of "unearned" pensions which has dragged down the U.S. auto production for years ..... and you are a self-appointed SCHOLAR on southern politics ! LOL !!!

Does that about sum it up johnny ?

BY the way lib ........ your last sentence is very unclear and muddled .... but then again, it comes from you !

Hi Johntho,

I come to realize that those two clowns are nothing more than underemployed, uneducated red types, that no nothing about anything, except what's on the dollar menu at their local fast food restaurant.

FOLWNJ & jimnumbers must be teen-agers not to have heard of the Dixiecrats becoming Republicans when civil rights was the issue of the day.

I "know" that he word KNOW .... has a "K" to start with and a "W" to end with ! Still time for you to correct it BJob1 ! Come on genius ... time is running out ! It would be embarassing if an "uneducated red type" made you look like a fool !!

Oh, who am I kidding ? You need NO (without a first "k" or an ending "w") help in looking like a fool !!

I understand that Obama stuttered and stammered a lot ! Was his teleprompter broken ?

The clip I saw looked like President Obama and Netanahu were just kidding Todd. The two leaders were kind of bonding over their adversarial relationship with the press.

Brian Williams on the Nightly News last night politely and humerously scolded Chuck Todd just as did President Obama and Prime Minister Netanyahu.

BTW, Chuck Todd, there were many serious questions asked by the foreign press yesterday, study them. If you're going to ask a question, please make it a serious one instead of asking why a speech didn't achieve middle east peace.

Really? Your statement is an opinion, but nowhere near an actual fact.

But that opinion is FAR MORE valuable than your irrelevant little blurb ! It looks like my comments from yesterday are STILL eating you alive ! LOL !! Got anything relevant to say, or just more babble ?

Obama recognizes the reality of the situation that the right wing refuses to admit: without statehood, the rockets will continue.

Fortunately we have Obama in the WH and not a republican.

With "statehood" the rockets will continue !! Clowns like you beleive they can co-exist side by side when reality says Israel will ALWAYS be the enemy of the Muslim world .... simply because they are NOT Muslims !

wrong dope; left-wing nutjobs fail to recognize this reality; there is no such thing as a State of Israel as far as Palestinians and their leaders are concerned.

their maps dont show an Israel at all

Every time Israel gives up land they get bombed in return.... The Palestinians have never wanted peace with Israel. They want to "wipe them off the face of the earth" Don't you believe what they say???

Mark Thomas-371822 is one of the clueless Obama supporters... .

Israel does not give up land, that's the problem. They continue to build in in the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem, both considered illegal by the international community. No government snactions those settelemts, except Israel of course.

i always love the "we're doing it this way because Republicans did it this way to" idea of Progressive "change"

what an idiot

wow,,,maybe obama could work on fixing the economy here..

wow,,,maybe obama could work on fixing the economy here..

He has. The economy is stronger now than since the Clinton years. But, he can make it GREATER!!!

no idiot; corporations are making record profits; which seems to make the Occupy crowd happy; weird; but the economy remains pathetically weak

What is your point?

jblast, you may have forgotten, Japan and Germany both declared war on the US, not the other way around.

You are right about the rest though, mostly. Although my understanding is that Kennedy wanted to end US involvement in Vietnam.

That being said, what's your point?

Japan attacked the U.S. at Pearl Harbor and then the U.S. declared war upon Japan ! Quit lying !!

Japan effectively declared war by attacking Pearl Harbor.

DUH.

*facepalm*

Please explain when Germany declared war on the U.S. genius.

Oh, and NOID .... FDR wanted to go to war and deliberately took steps to ensure Japan would get a hostile attitude. They supported China who was at war with Japan and took actions that Secretary of State Cordell Hull indicated would lead the U.S. into war. Sorry clown, it has been on the history channel before.

Please explain when Germany declared war on the U.S. genius - Common knowledge, read your history books. http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/germany-declares-war-on-the-united-states

After Pearl Harbor, there was no need for FDR to foment a "hostile attitude".

FDR wanted to go to war and deliberately took steps to ensure Japan would get a hostile attitude. They supported China who was at war with Japan and took actions that Secretary of State Cordell Hull indicated would lead the U.S. into war.

Aw, poor Emperor Hirohito! He was such a nice guy and was just a poor innocent victim in 1941 when we went to war with him!

Sorry clown, it has been on the history channel before.

The History Channel has also had programs about aliens visiting ancient civilizations. So much for credibility.

I know serious liberals like you prefer to cite comedians such as Bill Maher as your source ... at least when you're not watching SpongeBob Squarepants ! LOL !!

Prior to Pearl Harbor Attack FDR was already in negotiations with Churchill to send troops to Britain to fight with British Troops against Hitler. The U.S. had already been sending aid, supplies, munitions etc etc. to Britain. FDR had made a commitment to Churchill whereas Britain would not fall into German Occupation. Britain at that time was getting into some dire straights so if it wasn't for Pearl Harbor Attack our entry into WW2 was shortly forth coming.

LOL, Chuck Todd asked a stupid question about why the Cairo speech didn't result in Middle East peace--hardly a question worthy of NBC. BTW, Bobber, Chuck Todd is a republican, he slipped up and admitted it on Morning Joe during the election when discussing Romney he said "our side".

Still waiting for an answer to my question Jody ! You can run, but you can't hide ! Please tell us all how posters here can "DELETE" the comments of another ...as you would have us beleive.

jim,

As long as you have been posting comments here I surprised that you haven’t figured it out … it is NOT the moderators … it IS a computer software function (algorithm). However if there are people here that don’t know how I will not tell them how.

However only the moderators can restore a Deleted or Collapsed comment.

"Collapsed by the Community" is far different from "DELETED" ! LOL !! You never get tired of all your attempted distortions do you Denny ?

jim,

It is sad that you cannot see the obvious

You unwillingness to accept what is fact is also sad

It is sad that you cannot see the obvious

Dennis,

For someone who always has all the answers, this one proves in actuality it is dumber then a stick! lol

If their so freakin smart, let them figure it out...

You can thank Republicans for whittling away at the power of unions to deliver higher wages and benefits to the middle class. Studies show where unions are strongest, overall wages are higher, as employers must compete to win better workers. As Republicans have been successful at reducing wages and benefits, more Americans have turned to the government to help them afford food, housing and medical care. It's so ironic the right-wing calls Obama the "foodstamp President" when it's Republican policies that have lowered working Americans' standard of living.

YAWN

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz bask to sleep; it's just another left-wing nutcase that cant admit it's year 5 and obama is failing all on his own.

Hi Amy,

Many folks such as FOLWNJ see that the majority of the Country moving away from their way of thinking. For whatever reason they are scared to death of the Progressive movement and they are fighting to deny it.

However, no matter what, it's been long overdue in coming, and their only defense is to bash/trash talk the President and we Progressives.

Job1,

Just for clarity, please define for me what you mean when you talk about the "Progressive Movement". Is there an agenda or an ethos? I hear "Progressive Movement" and all I can think is "Occupy Wall Street". Can you help me out? Something concise would be good.

@ KCBones

They stole their moniker from my beloved progressive rock music genre. Damn, it just won't be the same

link, please?

Most likely only on right wing make believe TV!!!

Amy and Job1

The father of one of the Navy SEALs killed in the September attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya says that President Barack Obama did not seem sorry when he met him at the ceremony in which the bodies of the four slain Americans were returned to the United States. Vice President Joe Biden, he says, also made a disrespectful joke about his son.

Charles Woods, the father of Tyrone Woods, described meeting Obama and Biden at Andrews Air Force Base to Glenn Beck on the conservative commentator's program Thursday night.

"His face was pointed towards me but he would not look me in the eye," Woods says of meeting Obama. "I could tell he was not sorry. He had no remorse."

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/10/26/father-of-slain-navy-seal-in-libya-says-obama-had-no-remorse-biden-made-disrespectful-joke

Or here.

http://news.yahoo.com/joe-biden-father-former-navy-seal-killed-benghazi-031940364.html

Or here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/charles-woods-navy-seal-obama_n_2039121.html

because an arrogant left-wing nutjob says so.

and a Jew-hating bigot; i've seen your comments on other boards

Sorry, Steve ... this is not about an assault weapons ban.

I wouldn't ban them but I would require that they be secured in a bonded venue, such as a shooting range, not stored under a bed somewhere, and that owners get background checks and register the weapons with the federal government.

what a moron; this is another idiot who cant get over the more successful bush years.

lower Poverty Rate, lower unemployment, lower food and gas prices; lower National Debt, lower budget deficits...etc

There were no successful bush years!!!

So what Bush years had a higher unemployment rate?

What Bush years had more people on Welfare?

What Bush years had a higher deficit?

What Bush years had a lower GDP?

slodon

So what Bush years had a higher unemployment rate?

What Bush years had more people on Welfare?

What Bush years had a higher deficit?

What Bush years had a lower GDP?

What Bush years had more Americans dying in unnecessary wars?

oh...nearly all of them.

Jblast - when the GOP finally admits to even one fiasco they have perpetrated, then we'll talk. Otherwise, anything our current POTUS has done pales by comparison to a 9 yr illegal 3 Trillion $ war that GOP is doing a 10 yr anniversary rebranding as "A success!" + "liberating Iraq". But, I thought it was about WMD's and rousting Al Queda from Iraq???? And what about all those contractors who were delivered pallates $100's of thousands of shrink-wrapped 100's bills that evaporated??

2 Wars off-books, Medicare Part D - budget-busting long term debt, 2 stimulus programs '01 + "03, oh yeah, and crashing the world economy. Ooops, did that happen on W's watch? Just bad luck I guess....