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Subscribe to RSSA day after a half-dozen Republican senators urged a slower and more public process for the crafting of immigration legislation, a key Democrat said that the timeline for completion of a bill will be delayed because closed-door negotiations have yet to produce a draft.
In a statement, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy lamented that his goal of completing a tentative version of a comprehensive reform bill by April won’t be met.
“Because we do not yet have legislative language to debate, the Senate Judiciary Committee will not be able to report a comprehensive immigration bill by the end of April, which was my goal,” Leahy said.
Leahy said that he has asked the White House to release its own version of reform legislation “for months” but that President Barack Obama has deferred to the bipartisan “Gang of Eight,” which is working on compromise legislation.
That group, Leahy wrote, has “engaged in secret, closed door discussions on their own proposal and … committed to completing it by the beginning of March. That deadline and others have come and gone.”
The chairman’s statement comes a day after a group of Republican senators urged a slower process for the reform effort, writing to Leahy that the legislative language could present a “real problem” if it comes to the floor without being discussed in open committee hearings.
"If we are serious about protecting our national interest and the best interests of American workers, we must provide all members of the Senate, and, most importantly, the public, a full and fair opportunity to become adequately informed,” the group wrote.
At the end of this week, the Senate is scheduled to go on a two-week Easter recess.
This story was originally published on Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:45 PM EDT
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Hm...
What's the hurry? This has been a divisive issue for years, and the fact that there actually seems to be some bi-partisan progress is promising.
Get it done, and get it right.
If the Republicans have really learned a lesson from their losses in 2012, they will come on board.
Let's get the overhaul done, and move on to another issue.
Yes, We Can.
Agree Bali, anything worth doing is worth doing right.
What's so stinking secretive about immigration reform? They need to get this done quickly and correctly. They could possibly start by repealing some of the crap they've done in the past. People have been in line for YEARS trying to become "legal" citizens and we are penalizing them for playing by the rules Congress set! Eleven years for this young man was ridiculous!
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-24/legal-immigration-usa/50895150/1
(1) How many of YOU get 2 weeks PAID vacation for EASTER? more delay from the do-nothing Congress.
(2) "Because we do not yet have legislative language to debate, the Senate Judiciary Committee will not be able to report a comprehensive immigration bill by the end of April, which was my goal," Leahy said.
Excuse me, Mr. Leahy??? THAT'S SIX (6!) WEEKS . . . C'MON!
MANY OF US ARE READY TO MOVE . . .
FORWARD! :-)
Leahy has had a lifetime as a paid Political hack to get this done - stuff it, Pat. Take the needed time and do it right, there is a lot to fix.
Repeal all laws granting citizenship to illegals is the best way to guarantee that there will be a USA fifty years from now. How many illegals does it take for it is no long a case of illegal immigration and not an invasion? This is complete BS. IMO they should all be thrown out and never be allowed to be citizens of this country just because they decided to break the law. They have no respect and shouldn't be given any.
@Ford,
IMO they should all be thrown out
Good luck with that.
Perhaps they should "self-deport"?
Good luck with that, too.
@Pigotry, Maybe what the republicans learned this time is to not let the democrats put an unread bill through again. Does Obamanition Care ring a bell, Ms. Pelosi and her friend Harry the Donkey did a fine job with that.
The elected folks gotta' have time to clear out all the undocumented workers from their homes and business!
What is the hurry? We have a number of critical issues that affect Americans--like jobs, for example. I don't see anybody putting that issue on a fast track. What will the illegal immigrants do anyway if you don't hurry? Threaten to go back to Mexico? Threaten to vote? Threaten to strike?
If Congress passes this immigration overhaul now....it's no longer a rush...it's never the result of a rush.
Members of Congress from both parties have worked on this bill for more than a decade already, much of the bill has always been prepared.
But when George Bush supported the overhaul, it's the Democrats who blocked it. give Bush credit. Blame Harry Reid on the failure during Bush.
Not sure what "lamwakers" are, but I am sure they must be something horrible! Honestly, the quality of what passes for journalism these days...
"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly
In addition to Democrat pols who blocked it, the business community, headed by the Chambers of Commerce, blocked it. Why? Because corporations would rather pay $4-5 an hour and let municipalities pick up the benefits. Slavery is profitable and corporations, small businesses--the Bribers of Elected Officials-- made beaucoup money with cheap labor. As citizens, illegal immigrants would be able to demand minimum wage at least and compete with all the Unemployed American Citizens who are seeking under-employment.
Completely off topic, but too good to pass up:
I see and hear righties complaining about the President taking time to pick brackets.
Now, we are not supposed to mention the name anymore of the man that p!ssed away trillions of dollars and thousands of lives in Iraq, but the picking of BB brackets is a huge deal.
Neat, huh? (or not...)
Step ONE - repeal the "anchor babies" loophole! At best it should be worth a few brownie points on a LEGAL immigration application filed when the 'baby' is twenty-one. And THAT repeal should take no time at all. Other countries do not have the loophole for VERY GOOD REASON. A kitten born in a fishmarket is still not a pike.
It's truly despicable that at a time when American workers and LEGAL immigrants have been suffering long-term unemployment and stagnant wages, that the most desired objective by these losers is granting rewards and special treatment (a/k/a amnesty) for ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS.
Treating ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS equivalently and, indeed, giving them greater benefits and treatment, than LEGAL immigrants is positively asinine and unacceptable.
One MILLION LEGAL immigrants play by our MOST-GENEROUS-IN-THE-WORLD rules every year (many of these million are from the very identical countries as the immigration lawbreakers). Americans want for our immigration laws enforced! Enough is enough-- American citizens and LEGAL immigrants deserve protection from the lawbreakers and the wage devastation this blackmarket labor pool engenders. Rewarding lawbreaking will only serve to incentivize exponentially millions more immigration lawbreakers (as demonstrated by Reagan's 1986 Amnesty).
A recent Reuters poll revealed the truth--- THAT AMERICANS WANT ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS DEPORTED tout de suite! (I am a registered Democrat; however I did not vote for O in '12 because of his pledge of support and rewards for immigration lawbreaking)
No Drivel By, you can mention Bush till you're blue in the face...the fact that you will continue to blame him for all the nations shortcomings is where the beef is...hey its your finger point it where you like...
Speaking of pissing away money, you think we're raking in the dough with King hussein? Neat huh?
@CA,
King hussein
Render unto Caesar.
Bwahahaha
I see disgustus with his words of wit denying W. ever existed. Smartest Roman in the trailer park, with an IQ of 12. Hey stupid, it is George Bush's fault. Denial is a not a river in Egypt it is the disease you have contacted. Obama has done the right things to bring this nation back from the depth of recession caused by, yeah, you guessed it azzhole, George W. Bush.
but you won't so..however you will to King Hussein...Want to take a bet on something...History has been far Kinder to my namesake then will be to King Hussein the Merciful
@CA,
You cry for the scraps of Obama's glory.
BWAHAHAHA
Therein lies the hypocricy of the right-wing....They will never accept responsibility for what happened on Dubyas' watch.......
But President Obama....well, they gotta' keep both eyes on him, all day, every day, in every way.
I wonder if the TeaPeople who post here on MSNBC site, have watched or will watch "Hubris The Selling of the Iraq War".......
It might too painful for them to wach, and destroy their denial mode.
Right Bali, I agree. Take their time. There really are sufficient laws on the books to handle immigration. If only we had a govt willing.
a little off topic but...
so they dug it up and removed it...ohhhhhhh, the irony
You make yourselves look uninformed and stupid. Suppose there were WMD in Hussein's possession? Could you move on and stop blaming Bush?
uh Khakis?
i had you pegged more a vestal virgin
Jethro, what specificially is all his fault?
Denial is a disease...I wonder if the CDC or WHO know
Oh yes, King Hussein Delivered us from evil... Remember Jethero i maybe an azzhole, but youre just a dumbass
scraps of King Hussein's Glory...i dont think you know the definition of Glory.. Let me know when you're done cornholing that picture Oblamo then we'll talk
BWAHAHAHA
@CA,
You are the scum that Obama scrapes from the bottom of his boots.
BWAHAHAHA
Suppose?...
Lordy, suppose that the lies were never told about WMD, suppose that 4,500 US service members weren't killed because of those lies, suppose 30,000 US service members weren't horrible injured/lives forever changed because of those lies, suppose trillions of dollars weren't put on the credit card for those lies, suppose 100,000 innocent Iraqi weren't killed.
Suppose it if you can!
What's your hurry, you jack-ass? Got a bet on it or promises you can not keep. Go home you liberal bastard and stay away. Let things develop as they need. No hurry to get all these illegal scum bags legalized!
You are a piss poor politician. Oh forgive me for my mistake, politician means piss poor by nature.
For you chilled, because you asked. Walk in the light or remain a mushroom and live in the dark and fed the @!$%# from the left.
https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm#01
Lots to be gleaned from here
Ouch Bob, but Im rubber youre glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you
Again, History will and has my Favored my namesake, your King however will join the ranks of the other despots that have come and gone...
Audentes fortuna iuvat
Simple Theory says:
Walk in the light, blah, blah......
Anywho, I looked at your reference site.....looks like the stuff that Dubya relied on since it is old data that his administration tinkered with to get Congress on board. Old stuff, dated 2007.
Seems you refuse to suppose the 'what ifs' the lies on WMD had not been told.
I urge you to watch the rebroadcast of Hubris this Friday, 22 March......Then you can come out of the dark and into the light.
Fast forward, the Iraq invasion is 10, 10 years old and no, absolutely no WMD.
@CA #1.30,
Im rubber youre glue
Seriously- that all you got?
"I know you are, so what am I?"
Got Pee Wee Herman?
BWAHAHAHA
Yeah, I had to bring it to your level of understanding...after all "You are the scum that Obama scrapes from the bottom of his boots" was a real 'zinger'.
Mika Lika Hi Mika Heiny Ho
@CA,
Mika Lika Hi Mika Heiny Ho
At last, a point of agreement!
Long live Jambi!
You need to understand the PROBLEM with immigration reform prior to posting stupid @!$%# . . .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/31/how-long-is-the-immigration-line-as-long-as-24-years/
Take a few minutes and go to the link - look at the graph - check the buttons - understand that the problem isn't just those immigrating illegally from Mexico! We have physicians and researchers that are here on expired visas. We need to press Congress to make this an issue!
chilled, like all the little bedwetting drones of the left, cannot handle the facts.
In that report, you feeble minded cultist drone, it states that in 2009 the Iraqis proclaimed the wmd in the country's possession and their origin. All (dozens of them) were from the Saddam era.
Now, go bow to your poster of Obama and burn a raspberry candle you cultist loon. Adults are in the room.
Hubris, fiction from the left loons.
LOL
the hurry?....... they have to hurry/rush because of 2014 deadline implementing Obamacare - there's no provision for illegals....... and what will happen when they flood 12 million+ to that program??? MR. Middle Class Tax Payer had better grab the vasoline jar and lube up!
@Simple Theory
You must be feeling vulnerable in your stance since you have resorted to name calling which is not reasoned debate.
So, Please Proceed!
Oh, but I must repeat, watch Hubris: Selling the Iraq War, Friday 22 March 2013, 8PM CST, MSNBC.
Make up your belittled mind Lil Michelle!
Which is it? Fast or Slow?
So sick of posters that flip on every single thread!
"Immigration bill" Code words for amnesty.
Message to the world: Steal into America and stay long enough and the spineless Americans will give you amnesty. Worked last time for 3 million and now 4 times as many. Will it be 4 times as many, 48 million, looking for a free ride next time?
Oh, and all you that did it the honorable and legal way, I guess you're all feeling like a bunch of saps about now.
The article on usatoday posted here is misleading. The person is a media producer of religious material, he is not a religious worker. What stops him from producing other material of different subject ? None. He could be producing pornography, does he want to be categorized pornography worker.
As to the long wait, more applicants from the foreign country, as on the article, Philippines, will create a backlog, but they did not clearly point that out.
There is more to this immigration reform debate, the laws are in place, and I doubt that any reform coming from congress will make it any better. It could make it worse. President Reagan granted the amnesty in 1983 that have inspired others to take their chance that the USA will grant another in the future. 3 Million took that amnesty, now we are looking at 12 million. Enforce the law.
The Democrats and Obama's vision of immigration reform is simple, here is your US citizenship welcome aboard, and here is your lifetime membership to the Democrat Party. For those that feel anything worth doing is worth doing right, well that sentiment doesn't apply to Obama. Remember all those shovel ready jobs that just needed funding? Or the fact ObamaCare was rammed through on procedural moves and had to pass so everyone could find out what was in it? About the only thing Obama has actually deliberated on every year has been his vacations and his March Madness picks. Simply the best approach to immigration would be something as novel as just enforcing current laws. Nah, that wouldn't allow illegals to vote for Democrats, so never mind.
William...is this what you're referring to:
“We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population… I love it. They are ******** in their pants with fear. I love it.”, “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him.”– Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas.
“I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important – a very important – part of this.” — Former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo, Chicago on July 23, 1997.
“The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot.” — Excelsior – The national newspaper of Mexico
“They‘re afraid we’re going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They’re right. We will take them over. We are here to stay.” — Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council
“We are practicing La Reconquista in California.” — Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General
Amazing how naive many Americans are...plenty of them still think the Hispanics voted for Obama, instead of amnesty.
McCain/Kennedy tried to get a bill through the Senate, which was supported by President Bush, but it never reached the floor. It would have created a path to Citizenship and a guest worker program as well as addressed our borders, but alas both Republicans and Democrats would have none of it. George did try.
Obama putting the onus on Congress to come up with a bill is exactly who the Constitution empowers to create laws governing immigration. It is high time they did their jobs and stop blaming everyone else. As for rounding up and deporting 11 million illegals, get real, that's impossible. The cost alone would be overwhelming.
Good point Travis, didn't ya know they are assimilating?
Completely off topic, but where is NBC's coverage of the Kermit trial?
"Key Senate Dem chides lamwakers (sic), says immigration bill moving too slowly"
Hmmm, I don't see the problem with taking the time and effort to do things right. Mr. Obama promised to bring up Immigration Reform within the first year of his first term and did nothing about it. Now it's an emergency to get something passed?
Why is it that Democrats in congress always evoke images of an excited puppy peeing on the living room rug.
“We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it" -- Nancy Pelosi.
(BTW, doesn't anyone spell-check at MSNBC? "lamwakers"?)
Yep, congress should quickly pass this, there is plenty of time to find out what they passed later ! This approach worked really well for the health care act, didn't it ?
There has long been bipartisan consensus on this issue, give GW Bush credit for being a moderate on this issue. Give Lindsey Graham of SC and McCain of AZ credit for being a moderate. Only in 2010 election for his political survival did McCain BRIEFLY take the Tea Party position on immigration because of a Tea Party-supported primary challenge. I think now McCain is again back to the center on this issue.
.
FORWARD...
The only bipartisnship is deciding how much amnesty is given and allowing thieves to rob american citizens. You support and have the votes; thats fine ---but don't dress it up like a pig with lipstick. Its still a pig. You reward theft, and you sow what you reap.
Get real. The only reason Repubs and Dems are hot on this issue is because it translates into votes. If you think they are sobbing over the condition of illegal immigrants, you are delusional.
No one discusses the long-term ramifications of giving 13 million immigrants amnesty. They are then, as citizens, entitled to social security and medicare. Are you willing to cut your benefits to give illegal immigrants citizenship?
Hey, KeenInsight
.
Again, you are ill-informed and misinformed. Many..even most...undocumented immigrant workers have paid into social security for a long time. They usually have a tax number to use for this purpose. IRS approves this tax number for the undocumented workers. They have contributed to tax revenues.
No, they haven't. Unless, of course, you refer to the ones which have stolen someone's identity in order to obtain employment. Is that what you mean?
which somehow according to the left will be ok to do.
Drone an American, save a terrorist...
No, PIG, they have not. I managed an office that hired illegal immigrants and those illegals used false identities, false social security numbers. If you are illegal, you can't get a social security number or other kinds of documentation available to a Legal Citizen. They may have paid into someone else's account, but they did not pay into their own.
Do they would have had to save all their pay stubs--if they were issued stubs, many were paid cash--to prove that that they had used a false ID to pay taxes. They would have to admit to a crime. They lose. Their employers who were likely informed that their worker was not verifiable would also be complicit in a crime. Thus, the govt would have to Forgive a lot of people. I'm sure a lot of American workers would like to be forgiven on back taxes, etc. So let's forgive everybody of everything.
hey, comment #2.6, KeenInsight
You need to read more.
Pigotry, are you that naive!?
I worked in South FLorida for years, and I knew of many undocumented workers and there were NOT paying taxes because they were being paid cash!
Illegal/undocumented workers - even if you want to think they have an IRS-given ss# - are committing FRAUD. While they have a dead person's or stolen SS# to deceive the system that they are "paying into it," it's just as possible for an illegal to pull out benefits thanks to a fraudulent SS#.
Any undocumented immigrant is continually committing crimes by not only remaining on US soil, but by working, committing fraud if they have a SS#, and evading paying income taxes on American dollars earned on American soil.
No matter how you look at it, it's unethical and illegal on all angles.
Keen: "The only reason Repubs and Dems are hot on this issue is because it translates into votes."
Everyone has learned that the Hispanics vote for themselves first. They didn't vote for Obama. They voted for amnesty.
Right from their own mouths:
Latino groups to Obama: You owe Latinos the election, now pass immigration reform
"Leaders of immigrant rights and Latino groups told reporters in a conference call on Wednesday that Obama owes his second term to Latino voters, and should repay them by passing comprehensive immigration reform. Obama promised to pass a law legalizing many of the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the country while he campaigned four years ago, and he's been chastised by Latino leaders for breaking his promise."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/latino-groups-obama-owe-latinos-election-now-pass-194113601--election.html
Hey Pigotry, yep, illegals pay taxes, then get them right back:
Illegals get $4.2 Billion using fraudulent Tax Claims…
The Internal Revenue Service allowed undocumented workers to collect $4.2 billion in refundable tax credits last year, a new audit says, almost quadruple the sum five years ago.
Wage earners who do not have Social Security numbers and are not authorized to work in the United States can use what the IRS calls individual taxpayer identification numbers. Often these result in fraudulent claims on tax returns, auditors found.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/undocumented-workers-got-billions-from-irs-in-tax-credits-audit-finds/2011/03/23/gIQAhtaKvJ_blog.html?hpid=z3
(Pigotry. Just curious. Are interested in any water-front property?)
yeah, hs321,
you are right. ...individual taxpayer identification numbers..that's what I was talking about in my comment #2.3.
But, hs321, you can't use a small number of fraud cases to deny the patriotism of most of these undocumented hard working people who have paid into social security and boosted revenues for the Federal Treasury. I truly believe in the sincerity and patriotism of these undocumented workers because when they pay taxes and make contributions, they are hoping to stay and have a chance to upgrade their status to stay here legally. And these undocumented are often paid too low a wage, being a victim of some predatory employers.
Before you can get Individual Tax Payer account number, you need to provide reason why you need it and show proof of your legal presence here in the US along with valid ID. Lots of Documentation. You cannot just walk in to IRS office and ask for a number.
Not always, RedBlue560clk:
In this case, the IRS gives that tax ID number for the undocumented to pay into social security and treasury to boost revenue, and the IRS promises not to investigate normally.
Yes Pigotry, Obama wants more tax payers:
“We’ve been assuming that when the Baby-Boomer population gets most expensive [to support], that there are going to be [enough] immigrants and their children who are going to be paying into [programs for the elderly], but in the wake of what’s happened in the last five years, we have to reexamine those assumptions.” - Roberto Suro, Professor of Public Policy - University of Southern California - who studies trends in birth rates.
What happened in the last few years is the birth rate has declined more than expected due to the economy. Hispanics think Obama wants to help them. He wants to use them to support the Baby Boomers in their retirement years.
Pig, you are giving kool aid answers which comes from the amount of propaganda you are exposed to in the mainstream media. And the more you belch out, the more you prove that you don't even know any illegals or their way of life. I managed an office that hired illegals. An office that had govt contracts, so the illegals had to provide names & social security numbers...which they readily did. And months later, we'd get notices from Social Security saying that the names & social security numbers were false. The first time I got this paperwork, I ran to the owner in fright. He just laughed and threw them away because he knew that's where the govt response ended. The govt wasn't going to show up at his office & remove his cheap labor. A year later, the city offered some kind of documentation event where illegals could get some kind of number for working...illegally. No way those guys appeared there. They were as suspicious of the govt as many Americans and weren't going to expose themselves as illegal or answer any questions.
If you believe these illegals are rah-rah patriotic and that's what motivates them, you are in some kind of fiction. They are here as slaves and if they were smuggled in, they face years of paying their smugglers for the privilege. Because of illegals, Americans lost the middle-class wages and benefits in union-protected construction jobs when corporations found out they could hire them at $5.00 or less an hour, work them 7 days a week, and have local govts provide education and health care.
If we're serious about recouping some of the money lost to illegal immigration, we'd be fining all those businesses and corporations that would recruit these Mexicans as cheap labor & force city governments to educate their children and treat them in the hospitals, a financial pressure that has resulted in many govts going bankrupt.
Politicians have created this "narrative" about illegal immigrants to get you to post this ridiculous Sterling Story of Patriotism about them. They are here for the pennies and their huge numbers allowed corporations an escape hatch from labor laws, safety practices, fair pay and benefits. They aren't here because they love America.
This is a move by politicians, Pigitory come move to the boarder of AZ, please you will have a different opinion. The American citizens don't want this. We want them to do it legally.
Gimmeabreakoradrink
Pigotry, are you that naive!?
I worked in South FLorida for years, and I knew of many undocumented workers and there were NOT paying taxes because they were being paid cash!
If you knew this why didn't you report the business owner for hiring illegals and evading paying taxes?? Not only is the employee responsible but so is the business. They were both guilty of illegal activity and you did nothing to report it. Is that how we ignore illegal activity and illegals. Do those that see it just turn away and ignore it. I said all along, they come here because of the jobs (mostly menial work) and the employer doesn't document them on his payroll. Sure the illegal may not pay taxes but neither does the business hiring them.
This is not a single sided issue of just illegals. Were these businesses complying with the work laws there would be no jobs for these people. Profit, profit is what this is about. Your liberal and conservative leaders all turn their heads and ignore the activity, because all of the industries that employ illegals contribute to their election pools.
"you knew this why didn't you report the business owner for hiring illegals and evading paying taxes??"
The govt knew this was going on, has known it, and knows exactly which businesses are complicit. The govt did nothing about it, primarily thanks to Big Donor Corporations and the Chambers of Commerce who wanted this slave labor. We're talking about a govt that hasn't enforced its illegal immigration laws by choice. Do you think the govt has been innocent of all this activity? They got away with it by framing the illegal employment as some kind of humanitarian/refugee issue--primarily for the citizens of Mexico!!
And the govt has all the evidence it needs to fine these businesses that used illegal immigrants over years and years. But if the govt hasn't prosecuted the banks for their criminal activity, what makes you think they'll prosecute Corporations?
As I stated, industries that employ illegals lobby Congress (Government) to relax laws to keep these people here. Cheap labor that will do any job. Of course no one in Congress wants to take on immigration. They would loose donors to their campaigns (both Parties). My suggestion create a guest worker program, like Bush wanted), make them pay taxes and compel businesses to report any guest worker they hire. We need the revenue so impose heavy fines on any business that doesn't comply. One more thing, just look at the border in Texas, it would be nearly impossible to secure..
I see that the jury decided on the Bell California trials...
part of the sentencing should be to pay those salaries back...
www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/20/us-usa-california-corruption-idUSBRE92J17M20130320
Of coarse they want to hurry so no one has time to read it until after it comes into law. Where have I heard this before? More Chicago style politics.
If conservatives have reading comprehension issues, that's their problem.
@ VL: Either read the article again, or re-read your comment. You make no sense. Sen. Leahy is from Vermont, which according to a U.S. map is not very close to Chicago. You do realize that most of the politicians are not from Chicago which is in the state of Illinois? Also, it is the president who has been working with the "gang of 8" and letting this proceed on their terms, so your "Chicago style" politics comment is really moronic.
salsa...were you asleep during the passage of Reid/PelosiCare (Obama only did the marketing.)?
Pelosi said we have to pass it to see what's in it. That is what VL is referring to. Conservatives haven't read anything and neither have liberals, because it's being done behind closed doors. Which reminds me....some campaign promise about transparency....
Leahy is a piece of @!$%# that is trying to close down TIPS. Seriously, how do some of these archaic senators keep getting voted in? Leahy, Mccain, Mcconnell, pelosi, randel, fienstien, reid, the list goes on and on.
Easter is a religious holiday.... so why should the government get a recess. Democrats are always trying to take religion out of our lives but.... THEY get a recess. Is shouldn't be a one way street.
Democrats don't want YOU pushing YOUR religion on me through OUR government. Comprendez?
then you better work on Easter, Sundays, Christmas etc......
The Government closes for religious Holidays but ban participation in them?
Pig needs things rushed because people always make wise choices when
the rush into things??
And Salsaboy talks about comprehension skills and I always think of
That famous Republican Hank Johnson being worried about Guam tilting??
Christmas is in fact a federal holiday. And, Easter always falls on a Sunday (a day when the secular US government isn't "open" anyways).
That famous Republican Hank Johnson being worried about Guam tilting??
Some people get confused easily Desoto. Just for the record:
"Henry C. "Hank" Johnson Jr. (born October 2, 1954) is the U.S. Representative for Georgia's 4th congressional district, serving since 2007. He is a member of the Democratic Party."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Johnson
Here is a good one from Sheila Jackson Lee (D):
“I stand here as a freed slave because this Congress came together. Are we going to be able to do it today to free America?”
Yep, she you thinks she used to be a slave. LOL!!!
Why should we NOT take immigration reform off of a fast track? Oh I don't know..........could it be that republicans have a track record of obstruction?
Try the libs have a track record of "me, me, me". Real Americans work hard, pay their bills, raise their kids, pay their taxes. We don't want to pay for you whinny, ignorant, sheep. And are you salsa that dense with my comment above that you don't pay attention to nancy pelosi? If you don't know who she is and her comment that I made, you are not living on the same planet.
I think we just let everyone in and let them kill a few boarder guards on the way in. I mean, after all its morally right to jump into your neighbors yard - steal their food and shelter then call them racist when you call the police and ask for benefits. That's just the support we need from congressional dems to make this all happen--- Makes me proud to be an american. Its what the proposal is? Isnt it? Just a giveaway to placate until the next thieves arrive to rob citizens?
Yeah, let's rush this through because we are now seeing how great that worked for Health Care! Nothing more than more waste to be legislated....
"a bill will be delayed because closed-door negotiations have yet to produce a draft. "
My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.
"From the Senator who voted Present"
“for months” but that President Barack Obama has deferred to the bipartisan “Gang of Eight,”
Soda just came through my nose, lol. I cannot keep track of all of barry o's lies and there has been some whoppers!
All of a sudden we have to worry about not getting it done fast enough for what f'n reason? So you Congressional no-talent bastards can sneak another one by the American People (and I emphasize AMERICAN PEOPLE) and give these illegals the wave of your magic wands and turn them into instant citizens?
Thats the plan. If you borrow enough money pretty soon your the bank. ITs rewarding theft. Pure and simple. Just like the banks in the housing crisis. Not an ounce of difference.
Where's Waldo,It appears that is what these self serving politicians are doing.Corporate America,the farmers and the wealthy want cheap labor and these idiots will serve it to them on a silver platter.I know of many people who immigrated to this country legally and became citizens.They do not want immigration reform and it's high time that they speak out.
YOU KNOW DAMN WELL......When senators want something passed quickly, they don't want you to know whats in it! F-ing SCUM BAGS!
Need a plan to handle illegal immigration?
Let's try this one:
Talk about a dream act.
Another policy to come that will do nothing....
Based on history performance and enforcement
What's the rush,Leahy?
Needs to get stuff done before 2014 and and the democrat majority in the senate goes...bye-bye.
JUST SEND THEM ALL BACK. ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL. DEPORTATION IS THE ONLY ANSWER THAT WILLSAVE OUR COUTRY.
We can send 300,000 soldiersa dn all that required equipment across the globe in a few short months, we can dam sure chase some traitors back home to mexsicko
It took us from 1995 until 2008 to gain citizenship. Came here legally with visas then got green cards then waited patiently, working and paying taxes until the great day came. Really irks me that those that jumped the fence will be rewarded over those waiting in line.
Just how do you propose we round up 12 million+ people, Bobby?
And how are we going to pay for it, oh bright one?
WTF????
English please? I'm not fluent in ignorant bigotry!
Joan,
You are aware that most of them have over stayed their VISA's and are NOT as you so compassionately call them "fence jumpers" don't you?
In the words of Hillary Clinton "What difference does it make" how they got here Feisty?
They are not here legally.
I believe the only reason this is now on the fast track is because Illegals are exempt from the Affordable Health Care Act Tax/Penalty that kicks in the end of this year.
Not going to look so good to the American taxpayers When Illegals won't be penalized for not having health insurance
Feisty,
They ALL think that all of the illegals in this country jumped the fence or swam the river over from Mexico. They have no CLUE how immigration works in this country nor how stinking back-logged it is due to Congress' BS laws that are on the books.
Joan - 4 million are in the line and have been waiting for their status to be changed to legal. They have filled out the paperwork, are working, and waiting .... waiting ... waiting.
Even the beloved by the GOP Washington Post is aware of the actual problem!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/31/how-long-is-the-immigration-line-as-long-as-24-years/
Educate yourselves PEOPLE!
Why so disingenuous Kandy?
If you are going to quote Hillary, at least have the intellectual honesty to post her FULL quote;
I can't speak for everyone but, YOU & your ilk's creative editing is nauseating!
PS: Make sure to check under you bed before your crawl in it tonight for those evil illegals who are ruining you life! lmao
Proof please!
And please, learn how to spell & properly capitalize, other wise you look like the rest of the home schooled dumbfux who proliferate & stink up this place! ;o)
Layton,
Sadly, that is NEVER going to happen! These idiots are all too comfortable living in their stuck on stupid bubble!
"Just how do you propose we round up 12 million+ people, Bobby?"
We do pay people to do precisely that. I would not mind if they received help by reassigning some of those folks who feel up grannny, make your baby cry, force our combat vets to remove their prosthetic limbs and gawk at our junk revealed on x-ray.
The reality is "dumbfuk" that illegals are specifically exempt from the requirement to have insurance but hospitals are still required to service them under the PPACA.
Of all the drones which populate this site, you still hold the number one spot for nasty know nothing idiot. Way to go.
reassigning some of those folks
Hmmm. Gosh that reminds me of something.....oh, what is it, it's right there........OH, YES! That's what the Nazis did to the Jews. They "reassigned" them into work camps where many were made to shovel their murdered brethren into mass graves and then set them on fire. Others were "reassigned" the duty of collecting suitcases from the Jews that did not realize that soon it would be their turn to walk into the building to have a "nice group shower" and make piles of things to be used and things that would be thrown out or burned up.
Feisty . . .
That God for Bill Maher who constantly emphasizes the fact that they do JUST that.
Ah Feisty, I'm sorry if my grammar has offended you, guess it was the public education I received
Huffington post June 28,2012 in an article written by Bill Hallman clearly states that Native Americans, prisoners and illegal immigrants are exempt from the AHCA tax
Hope that clears everything up for you
Not by a long shot, darling... *winky wink*
FYI Feisty, might want to critique Layton's post also. Poor spelling...incomplete sentence.
Just saying...grammatical justice...
That is the reponse of an idiot moron incapable of independent thought.
I did have a good laugh at your expense. Thanks. You're the future of the left. YAY for us!
sorry, Ben Hallman wrote the article I spoke of
Which one kandibar? Please, do the world a favor and step up to the plate and point it out yourself! Tick tock little one ... waiting on you.
Can't wait for someone that posts this ....
to call me out on sentence structure . . .
Its Ben... so sorry. Title of the article is Health Care "Tax" Would Average $1,000 A Year, Though Few Americans Will Pay. www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/average-health-care-tax-_n_1635119.html
FYI I found this doing a simple Bing search... took me right to this article.
Sorry you found it so difficult to find.
kandibar ....
If you can't link yet, I'd suggest that you write an e-mail to those at Newsvine and ask them to upgrade your status from newbie. In the meantime, either point out my misspellings or apologize.
kandibar ....
Wow. I typed That instead of Thank. Out shooting my tablet now.
Fiesty..."Just how do you propose we round up 12 million+ people,..."
Don't be absurd. No one has to be rounded up. Did you not read the stories about all the illegals going back home when the housing market collapsed and there were no jobs for them?
The solution is so simple it's mind numbing. Have the current administration uphold their oath of office and enforce the current immigration laws on the books. That is, start arresting and fining everyone who hires illegals. Soon, no one will hire them. There will be no work for them. Next, have the current administration uphold their oath of office and obey the law of the land and stop aiding and abetting the illegals by providing them with welfare.
There will be no incentive for them to come here, and no incentive for those here to stay. They will self-deport.
Problem solved.
kandibar...I like that opening line in the article: "It's a mandate, it's a penalty -- no, wait, it's a tax."
LOL!!!
gee, I'm glad you were able to find the article.
If you happen to see Layton or Feisty lost on the side of the information highway, please point them in the right direction.
Let all of the ILLEGALS' stay at Senator Leahy's house and chill while they work on a pathway to the end of America.
Leahy has been around Congress long enough to know very little happens there in the first place and when it does it happens very slowly. Better slow and get it right than rush and be sloppy. It's too important.
So we will tell Powhatan and Sitting Bull that you are packing right now and will be leaving for Europe or somewhere other than the Amereicas soon? What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Could be the words of Geronimo, Standing Elk, Chief Joseph, Red Cloud and others about any and all Europeans and their successors. Start packing.
If Native Americans had been willing to enforce limits on immigration, if they had secured their borders, they wouldn't have been overrun by aliens and would still have their nations. We need to learn from their failures. We must regain control of our borders. We must demand people obey our laws. We have more firepower today than the Native Americans did then. We CAN stop the invaders in their tracks. We CAN find and deport every one of them now in America. It is only a question of whether we WILL, or if we will surrender our country to the invaders like the Native Americans did.
@ John: Where do you propose we are supposed to get the money to round them all up and deport them?
Out gunned and with European diseases the people of the First Nations didn't have a chance.
Their culture didn't include tons of money to send the Europeans packing in every case. Those Europeans bred like mice. They were hard to keep up with. The population of North America more than duoubled in the first 100 years of Eruopean occupation.
That said, those coming here now are no more invaders than the ancestors of the majority were. Our ancestors didn't obey the laws of the First Nation and even violated treaty after treaty. I really don't see that happening. A bunch of unarmed farmers and laborers aren't likely to cause problems like they did back then. You people sound like there are hoards of them crossing our border daily and that they are lurking like cockroaches in the shadows just waiting to pounce on you. It sort of sounds like what we heard in Germany in the 1930s only there it was Jews who were the so called invaders. Next you'll insist they wear a big I on their clothing for illigal immigrant so as to distingush them from the citizens.
Of course you've heard that there are budget problems in Washington. Do you know how much it would cost, not only the government, but businesses and American citizens to deport all those people at once? That's if it could be done. Where do we put them? Not all are Mexicans. Would we set up stations along the border to ensure they don't cross our "Berlin Wall"? Should we drop them by air over foreign territory, do we have enough planes to do that? Do we even have enough busses and trucks to accomplish that? The logistics alone would be a nightmare. It is real easy to be flippant by saying just deport them. That wouldn't be easy to do.
Of course you don't mind paying $10 for a head of iceberg lettuce or a half pint of strawberries. Without those folks that may well be what you'd pay as Americans aren't about to work for the low wages the aliens do.
Curious to know how you would think about space aliens coming. Would you deport them back to the Pleadies or wherever they come from? Who's gonna make them go? You? Good luck with that, pal!
Thank you, Adler for having the fortitude to try and explain his lunacy to him in a very cohesive manner. These people certainly aren't known for looking at the big picture, are they?
By cutting services to them. Minimum of 100 billion/year. Sheesh, the left is ate up with the dumb ass.
It's truly amazing how ignorant you really are.
Oh, bull@!$%#. Immigration laws didn't exist when the Europeans first came over. They broke no laws. These people are breaking the law. Huge difference.
Gneisenau .....
Who exactly are THESE people? Looks like the GOP is considering new ideas ....
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/us/politics/gop-opposition-to-immigration-law-is-falling-away.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
New talking points are on order for you - just contact 1-800-FOX-NEWS.
Hate to rain on the parade, but "Native Americans" aren't any more "indigenous" than the Vikings to North America.
Native Americans genetic lineage traces back to eastern Asia (Mongoloids), and they walked across the land bridge over what is now the Bering Sea thousands of years ago.
Back then there were no borders or sovereign nation laws. Today there are. Don't compare apples to oranges, butthead.
Alder..."You people sound like there are hoards of them crossing our border daily..."
How many illegals do you think there are here? 10 million? 12 million? More? Fact is nobody knows, but since you're such great history guy, learn a lesson from this:
‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.” - Senator Kennedy, 1986
That's right, only 1.3 million. do you know how many ended up getting amnesty? Over 3 million. 3 times as many as was estimated.
Do you know anything about fast track immigration? Passed to allow new immigrants to get their families over here with them? So if 12 million get amnesty, then Novak, Jose or Ming will be able to fast track their families over here to "keep the family together". How many tens of millions do you think that is going to amount to when all is said and done?
It dumbfounds me to know end how incredibly short-sighted supposedly intelligent people can be....
Gimme...And I always find it interesting how people tend to trace ancestry back to the point it supports their argument. People fail to realize if you trance ancestry back far enough, American Indians and Europeans have a common ancestor.
Had they all know this back in the day, the Indians could have said to the Europeans when they arrived, "Hey cousin, what took you so long getting here?"
And I would like to know why I should go back to Europe...I mean, how can you 'go back' to some place you're not from?
Um.. Illegal aliens....
We The People recommend Senile Leahy RETIRE as Soon as Possible for the Good of the Country. One More Dinosaur Soon to Be EXSTINCT. Go Away and Stay Away Leahy you Lying Hypocrit.
Alan, it is extinct. Try spellcheck.
Rewarding criminal aliens for breaking our laws is not an acceptable solution. Deport every last one of them. Seal the borders. Use the military to repel the alien invasion. We need to find something for our soldiers to do when we bring them back from fighting Zionist proxy wars anyhow. A nation which can't control its own borders ceases to be a nation.
JohnCarter, the criminal illegal aliens ARE sent back. The President has deported more than his predessors. Are you still one that thinks all of the illegal immigrants in this country are border jumpers?
Educate yourself!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/31/how-long-is-the-immigration-line-as-long-as-24-years/
So...Layton, may I call you cultist drone? Of course I can.
How can you say Obama is deporting more illegals when he has just released 3000 or so criminal illegals from the federal prisons and plan on releasing more?
You do know (I know you don't) that the way the Obama administration counts "deported" illegals is by including the ones stopped at the border from entering the U.S.? No, you don't. Uninformed lying drones are boring layton.
Layton - get another talking point. That one's been debunked too many times it's laughable anyone has the gall to bring it up anymore. Obama has apologized the fact that he wasn't able to prevent those deportations. They were captured by the boarder patrol which he has no power to interfere with.
Simple Theory . . .
You can call me whatever your little heart desires.
The facts are facts . . .
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/12/24/167970002/obama-administration-deported-record-1-5-million-people
Gneisenau . . .
Really? Cite a source. I just gave you both one. Debunk it with a reputable source. In the meantime, do the rest of us posters a favor and actually know a fact or two prior to posting.
Oh, and Gneisenau ... we have BORDERS around our country ... not boarders! Good hell! (Guessing you are one of those that you are speaking ill of ... English must be a second language to you.)
Hey Layton, since you're such a pretentious prick, I would suggest you also learning better grammar skills. You don't end a sentence with a preposition (e.g. "that you are speaking ill of.")
English must be a second language to you.
Layton,
You need to try and educate yourself as well. The lie that the Obama administration perpetuates regarding deportations is just another instance of the administration "cooking the books" to support their agenda. The fact is that the comparison of Obama's record against previous administrations is an "apples to oranges" comparison because the Obama administration's numbers include returns and removals in their deportation statistics whereas previous administrations did not include returns. Removals are the actual deportation of illegals detained while returns are returning people to the border people that just came into the country but have not yet been detained. The fact is that if an "apples to apples" comparison is done, the deportation rate now is about 20% behind what it was up to 2009. Do some research simpleton.
P.S. - This post has been spell-checked so we can concentrate on the issue at hand.
@ Layton - Do a search on Google for Obama's interview with a Latino interviewer. I don't remember his name anymore. Obama couldn't apologize fast enough for the number of deportations under his watch. He passed it off as his being unable to interfere with the BP. Besides how can he say he's tough on immigrations when he has illegal aliens for relatives? I mean, that's about all that needs to be said really. If he's so tough on it then why are they both still here?
And I've so very sorry that I misspelled "border". I'm sorry my difficulty in typing has caused you so much distress.
Ah, how refreshing. As always, an article that mentions immigrants comes out, and all the racists pop out everywhere. We all know why there will be no easy way for the President to accomplish immigration reform. That's because as always, the republicans will require "compromise" to the point that it will be nearly impossible for any immigrant to obtain a green card, let alone citizenship through any proposed bill. Even after their crushing defeat in 2012, they are still in love with Romney's solution to the immigration conundrum: "Self-Deportation". The silver lining to it all is that it will make it that much sweeter in 2016, when the Democratic Party gets 99% of the Hispanic vote... and the GOP gets crushed once and for all.
Jay - how many are living in your home as you type? I thought so. A Nation has only so many resources. We are tapped. Let South America take care of their own.
The race card. Straight from the deck of the ignorant.
It takes a lib to believe that anyone who wants people who break the law to be punished for it are racist.
You use that term so often it's meaningless now. The only reason all these people would be voting for Democrats is because Democrats don't mind if they break the laws of our land.
The racists certainly do come out when the subject becomes aliens stealing our Negroes' jobs. Let the criminal scofflaw hordes in, let them take jobs that traditionally belong to the Negro. Leave the Negro to fester and die jobless and hopeless trapped in inner city ghettos instead of proudly laboring and singing in the fields as their ancestors did. You racist bastards.
Huh, JohnCarter?
Last I noticed here in South Georgia, is that the Hispanic day laborers actually DO work (unlike the local blacks).
No wonder Hispanics and blacks don't like each other when they see/meet each other on a work site.
Both parties are corrupt... As a matter of fact, I once was undocumented too, having been brought here by my dad from Brazil in 1989. As far as ignorant, I speak five languages fluently, have completed a college education, and traveled the world as well as served 4 years in the USMC, being honorably discharged not long ago. But I'm sure none of this matters to you, as nothing would make people like you happier than packing me and those like me to Mexico on a cattle train, right? I do pity you, sir.
So in other words it moves as slowly as our government. Amazing.. I would get a new government. Also long overdue!
Sure - let's ram another Democratic give-away for votes BS law. At the tax-payer's expense.
The tax-payer is a dying breed.
And then the party ends.
Well, well, well. The United States could offer Mexico a chance to be a new state of the union. So, if Mexico is a state of the United States, then all of our problems are solved. Then all we have to do is clean out the drug, and bad government people and put in our own people. No more fences to jump. No more borders to cross. Then we can go to the new state of Mexico to find jobs that we can't find in our other states. We will be able to buy ocean front land to build on, all along to coast of Mexico. Also all the oil we have found in Mexico, will be ours.
He wants all those new Democrat voters on the rolls now.
Leahy is just hoping to get the process concluded in time for the next election so that law-breakers-turned-citizens can vote Democratic.
The vast majority of these people knowingly came to the USA illegally. There should be severe consequences for breaking out laws. Let's try the following outline for a way forward:
1) The border gets secured as a pre-condition to ANY reforms. Step 2 does not begin until step 1 in in place and VERIFIED!
2) All current illegals that were above the age of 16 when they entered the USA illegally can get permanent residency BUT CAN NEVER BECOME CITIZENS. They come forward within 6 months of the start of step 2 and voluntarily identify themselves as illegally in the USA. They pay a fine for breaking our laws, plus FULL restitution for any and all government benefits they may have received while here illegally BEFORE receiving their permanent status. Anyone who does not come forward within 6 months can NEVER take part in this program. Either put up or shut up and get out!
Contrary to what Mr. Obama and his party have been trying to pull for the past 4 years, we live in a country of LAWS. You break them and you suffer the consequences.
The Leftists have overplayed their hand with "Gun Control" and sequestration and need to try and ram through whatever they can as fast as they can before the pendulum swings back to a Republican majority at the midterms.
100% correct. Strike when the iron is hot. It will be 2012 all over again - mid-terms are coming. So much damage to correct but we as a Nation can do it.
So much damage to correct but we as a Nation can do it.
Oh, believe me, we are working on it. If 2014 goes our way, we will rid this nation of quite a few RepubliTea Party bad apples. You are right, there was and still is much damage to correct, but president Obama and a host of other good people have worked pretty hard setting this country back on firmer ground. It was hard considering what the past president and his cronies did to each and every one of us, but our country is doing better than it was 6 years ago, that's for sure.
As usual, lets rush this through before the public knows what hit them. Typical OBummer tactics
@rahler
I agree with the first part of what you said. I am not in to calling the President names.