Things that make you go HUH! This may not be a Gestapo tactic, but IMHO comes real close. The man was threatened with the loss of his children by following the letter of the law. What the heck is happening????

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/familys-home-raided-over-facebook-photo-of-childs-rifle.html

Chuck Todd predicted correctly months ago that the assault weapon ban legislation would fail to make the Congressional floor. Those that try to frame/blame this issue on any one party are just sadly misinformed. Clearly they are all politicians first, and representatives of their constituency do not purposefully try to place their cushy jobs in jeopardy.

I'm curious if the President will attempt to push things through Executive Order and how that will play out. He also may not want to put his political clout or that of the next nominee from his party on the line with such a volatile topic that touches a Constitutional hot rail.

Mark Sanford, the Argentine Hiker, won a chance for a run-off in the special election for SC’s 1^st congressional district. Sanford was once a member of the House of Representatives from this district (1995-2001), and he was one of Gingrich boys. He voted to impeach Clinton, calling Clinton's
behavior to be "reprehensible." Obviously Clinton was not as reprehensible as the hiker in Argentina.

Former governor Mark Sanford took a step closer to returning to elected office on 3/19, advancing to an April 2 Republican runoff in South Carolina’s 1st District special election.

In the Democratic race, Elizabeth Colbert Busch, the sister of Comedy Central host Stephen Colbert, easily captured the nomination. I hope she also got funny bones.

Whoever emerges as the GOP nominee will be a heavy favorite in the May 7 election in the heavily
Republican district. Nearly six in 10 voters there went with Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential election.

Sanford, a onetime rising national GOP star, fell from grace in 2009 after disappearing for nearly a week and admitting to an extramarital affair.

With Sanford, more Christian values will return to Congress, Wink WINK Wink

Right now you can bet your bottom dollar the likes of MSNBC shills; Thinkprogress; Mother Jones; Salon; etc. are pulling out all stops to see how they can marginalize this great American -- Dr. Benjamin Carson. They are going full bore trying to find ways to demonize a man who has dedicated his live to humanity and God. He is a man of color and a conservative and the left is scared to death.

"God has opened many doors of opportunity throughout my lifetime, but I believe the greatest of those doors was allowing me to be born in the United States of America." - Dr. Benjamin Carson

Prager on America -> http://bit.ly/nrHNoQ

What this shows is a congress has no balls. They are so afraid of the NRA minority they won't do the right thing and ban these weapons from our streets. There is no civilian purpose for these guns. The only purpose they serve is to kill as many humans as possible in as short a time as possible. By the way gun nuts your second amendment rights are not conclusive. You have no more rights then I do. The court has already said that regulations can be put in place and that is the way it is. IF we ever get a congress that isn't made up of cowards and especially the tea bags in congress then and only then will we get laws that work for the people not the gun manufactures that make their money out of our misery's.

Harry Reid opted for protecting Democrats rather than protecting children (their words not mine). This man has failed his party, his country and is the worst Senate president in history. He didn't want Democrats "on record" for voting against the legislation for purely political posturing. The Democrats don't have the guts to stand up and be counted. Let's see a list of Democrats that would NOT have voted for the bill!!!!!

"Reid told reporters that "using the most optimistic numbers," there were less than 40 votes for Feinstein's ban. That is far less than the 60 votes needed to move contested legislation in the chamber, which has 53 Democrats plus two independents who usually back them."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GUN_CONTROL_CONGRESS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-03-19-13-51-09

Pigotry - won't spar with you on issues of the past and revisionist history. Congress (Ds and Rs) approved the war in Iraq, much of it based on intelligence reports shared and agreed among many countries. Yes I think there was some element to "getting some revenge for Daddy" but truth is he acted with Congressional approval.

Crazy times also as we truly had limited intelligence network with respect to this terrorist group, their tactics, their strategies and their penetration in the region. Glad we have built up that intelligence level since then. I credit both President's Bush and Obama for this.

What will the Panderer in Chief say now? His party, the party of NO, says it will not include assault weapons in the bill. How shocking the Democrats would protect themselves over the lives of little children. Harry Reid is a piece of SH!T! I expect all the liberals on this board to denouce Harry and selfish Democrats today. I stated the day after the tragedy that this would happen. All talk and no substance. Democrats have no soul. Do you think The Panderer will bring in the murder victims parents to the next State of the Union to sit next to Mrs. Hollywood and point to Harry Reid and say, this is the man who would not include the assault weapons in the bill. Do you think that will happen?

Backhouse asks:

"When a crazed attacker fires off a 100 rounds within a few minutes in the Mall, what are you going to do?"

Easy question. First, I grab my X-Box and get myself three lives. Second, I quick-like-a-bunny consult "Call of Duty". Then, I grab my .45, immediately spot the bad guy, and shoot him between the eyes at about 50-yards, because I am a rock-steady, deadeye gunner.

Then, I try to remain cool as the survivors drop to their knees and worship me. I bask in reality.

Dr. Carson doesn't scare me in the least! He's a political novice and, should he run, his inexperience will do him in. Seriously, this guy gets destroyed if Hillary runs in '16.

Reid did the right thing, protecting his fellow Dems. Hardly surprising, and I think everyone knew this wouldn't work as it does nothing to prevent tragedies such as Sandy Hook.

I'm interested on Biden's take to this news though...

Dave,

We actually do know there's no escape in the assault weapon attack situation. It is over and done in seconds.

@Auntie Facist -- Bring on the flip-flopping drain bamaged concussion Benghazi lying bitch who has been publicly used and humiliated by a man. LOL.

@Lil Michelle -- Biden will tell them to go out on the Capitol steps and fire off a double barrel shotgun :-).

Lil Michell - Biden is over taking in the Catholic ceromony. He fits in perfect with Obama and Harry. Biden a "practicing Catholic" who does not donate, believes in gay marriage and abortion. Wow these people are deep are they not?

Just Like That only Different

From the article above:

The report leaves evangelical Christians and social conservatives behind. “Some leaders of the religious right are openly worried this week after a sprawling 98-page report released by the Republican National Committee on how the party can rebuild after its 2012 implosion made no mention of the GOP's historic alliance with grassroots Christian ‘value voters.’

Courtesy of ABC This Week

‘This Week’ Transcript: Speaker of the House John Boehner

March 17, 2013

MARTHA RADDATZ: Is he right (President Obama) that we don't have an immediate crisis?

SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER: We do not have an immediate debt crisis.

But we all know that we have one looming. And we have-- one looming-- because we have entitlement programs that are not sustainable in their current form. They're gonna go bankrupt. Washington has responsibility-- to our seniors and our near seniors-- that we firm up these programs so that they're there for the long term. Because if we don't do it, not only will they not get benefits, we will have a debt crisis right around the corner. We have time to solve our problems. But we need to do it now.

As Ron Indiana pointed out so eloquently yesterday, “Boehner is lost and doesn’t know where to go”.

If you continue reading the ‘This Week’ transcript, it sounds like the Republicans are trying to shift the talking point conversation from “debt crisis”, to a “balancing the budget crisis”, and in doing so, are throwing out some classic doom-and-gloom catch phrases along the way like “looming” and “bankrupt” and “entitlements” and “scares businesspeople”, etc., yadda yadda yadda.

Ron Indiana was not only right, but I’ll repeat his statement and up the ante: “Republicans are lost and don’t know where to go”.

It’s obvious to this writer that once again, President Obama is masterfully controlling the dialog and policy in Washington because that is exactly what the 51% of Americans who voted him a second term to do so.

And quite frankly, all the Republicans have left at this point is the same-old lame-old excuses, moving from one manufactured crisis to the next and continue avoiding the real problem that is facing our country; helping American’s get back to work and return our society to a Middle Class, consumer driven economy.

We now interrupt this program to bring you the following message:

“Democrats believe we must create jobs, not protect the special interests; build the economy from the middle out, not the top down.”

Nancy Pelosi

Happy first day of spring, everyone!

Salud

Liberal friends, terrific posts.

Congressional leaders who do not support sensible laws should be ashamed of themselves, both sides, they are cowards everyone. Once again, we see a special interest lobby win and the American people lose. Once again we see the rights of a few supercede the rights and wishes of the many.

The NRA membership is around 4.4 million, not many considering the population of this country. Most voters could care less about a legislator's NRA "grade", most probably have no idea the NRA grades legislators. Let us not forget that the NRA's LaPierre is merely the mouthpiece for the gun manufacturers who pay his wages and fund the special interest lobbying organization. It isn't the NRA membership that funds it--LaPierre is the guy who takes the focus off who it is that really drives the anti-gun law positions--the gun and ammunition manufacturers. Assault weapons are expensive, they earn huge profits selling them. A shotgun, rifle or pistol sells for a few hundred dollars whereas an assault weapons sells for thousands.

Tomas, Happy Spring to you, too. It's 13 degrees here, with windchill, 0!

Ben, that is no way to talk about Hillary Clinton, of course if you consider the source you would really consider a person that is a low down varmint that favors the rich instead of real people. You are the brain damage person that you talk about Ben, only your brain damage comes from Rush Limbaugh and company.

Keep America FREE!

Gerald Seib said it best in the Wall Street Journal a couple of years ago:

Thomas Friedman said it best in an Op-Ed column the other day:

One of my favorite quotes about the state of U.S. politics was offered a couple years ago by Gerald Seib, a Wall Street Journal columnist, when he observed that "America and its political leaders, after two decades of failing to come together to solve big problems, seem to have lost faith in their ability to do so. A political system that expects failure doesn't try very hard to produce anything else."

That's us today - our entire political system is guilty of the "soft bigotry of low expectations" for ourselves.

I totally agree. Our politicians in Congress have basically accepted that there is nothing we can do to prevent future massacres. The problem of gun violence is too big, the solutions are too hard, the opposition too organized, to even attempt to pass legislation that might have some impact.

The NRA and gun manufacturers have aligned themselves with conspiracy theorists to oppose ANY legislation that might slow down the wave of gun purchases. They oppose background checks, limits on magazine sizes, and assault weapon bans and argue that the solution to gun violence is more guns. Register the mentally ill, but dont dare register weapons.

There is the "slippery slope" argument, the "criminals will still get guns" argument, the "guns don't kill people" argument, the "it won't stop all the violence" argument....

It all adds up to the fact that the US has by far the highest rate of gun deaths in the civilized world and we won't even try to do anything about it. We have learned nothing from Columbine, nothing from Virginia Tech, nothing from Sandy Hook....

I am sorely disappointed in those we have chosen to lead us.

"We have to pass the bill to see what's in it," said siliconed poisoned Pelosi. Another fraud and big lie perpetrated on the American public.

SEN. RON JOHNSON (R-Wisc.): The fact of the matter is, we already have a $1 trillion in middle-income tax increases hitting us in Obamacare. They’re hidden, but it’s middle-class .

The Washington Post ultimately concluded the spirit of what Senator Johnson said was accurate: The president’s law is built on a $1 trillion in tax hikes, though they point out that these tax hikes are not limited to the middle class exclusively.

The fact is that the “Affordable” Care Act will impose $1 trillion in new taxes on the American people. That isn’t anyone’s opinion — it’s the official conclusion of the Congressional Budget Office. The CBO’s letter to Speaker Boehner last summer verified that there is $1 trillion in new revenue in the law.

We definitely know that these taxes won’t just hurt the rich. In fact, higher-income Americans are the ones best positioned to avoid the law’s most harmful effects on their pocket books, while middle-class and low-income families will be hit with multiple taxes.

In fact, the Post alluded to analysis from the Joint Committee on Taxation that confirms that many of the taxes in the law will hit Americans making under $200,000 annually (and families making less than $250,000 annually). While the law does not define whether these Americans are “middle class,” these are the same people whose taxes the president repeatedly pledged not to increase. Oops.

As the JCT explains, these Americans will be taxed if they do not have health insurance and taxed if they have the wrong kind of health insurance, and their health insurance company will be taxed, too. The last tax is especially dumb — the CBO has said that this tax will be “largely passed through to consumers in the form of higher premiums.”

And it’s not just the JCT and the CBO that believe the “Affordable” Care Act actually will increase the costs of prescription drugs, health insurance, medical devices, and much more, all representing implicit taxes on consumers. According to an April 2010 memo from the actuary of the Medicare program, the medical-device tax, the pharmaceutical-drug fees, and the health-insurance excise tax will “generally be passed through to health consumers in the form of higher drug and device prices and higher insurance premiums.”

Overall, we believe Senator Johnson’s argument actually understated the harmful economic effects of the “Affordable” Care Act. We would argue that the costs to the middle class will be far worse than simply the expected effects of $1 trillion in new tax increases. The CBO has said that the law will reduce national employment by more than 800,000 jobs. Medicare’s chief actuary has predicted it could cause 15 percent of hospitals to close by 2019, and eventually even cause providers to stop accepting patients on Medicare or Medicaid.

And not all negative impacts have even been quantified yet. The CBO can’t score all the delayed access or denial of care that patients will experience. They haven’t detailed how the $1 trillion in tax hikes will harm specific sectors of our economy and cause businesses to shrink — for example, the dampening effect that the medical-device tax will have on innovation, or the ways in which it will prevent new devices from ever reaching patients.

While the law continues to be implemented, Americans of all income levels will soon realize that this law doesn’t deliver the care they were promised. Instead, it will raise their taxes, threaten their jobs, and reduce the quality of their health care.

As doctors, these are facts we can’t live with.

As senators, we will continue to work to ensure more Americans get the care they need, from a doctor they choose, at a lower cost.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/343362/revisiting-iwapoi-fact-check-obamacares-taxes-john-barrasso

So probably like many others, here I am on my second dose of back-to-back fun-filled flu.

Backhouse,

Get well soon, my friend!

Sending some spicy, feisty, chicken noodle soup your way to help speed up your recovery! ☺

Happy Spring to you, too. It's 13 degrees here, with windchill, 0!

Same here!!! UGH!!!

Last year this time, I had our A/C running...

I take it Ben's off his meds again! ; )

Thanks Feisty,

Chicken soup for some reason is healing. The last 3 days we've had snow and really cold.

From the first shot to the window which allowed Adam Lanza to enter Sandy Hook Elementary to the final bullet he used on himself, it took five (5) minutes. He fired 151 rounds with his Bushmaster, and one bullet to kill himself with his pistol. In 5 short minutes, he shot out a window, climbed into the building and began mowing down anyone in his sight. In 5 minutes he slaughtered twenty 6 and 7 year old children, riddled their small bodies with bullets which dismembered some; and six administrators and teachers were slaughtered as they tried to stop him and tried to protect the children.

What kind of country are we that a minority which believes military weapons are part of the 2nd amendment rights and that minority rules the majority? Clearly, too many legislators in Congress tossed aside their moral compass in the name of protecting their precious jobs.

Ahhh, the first day of Spring! April Showers, flowers blooming, first pitch of the baseball season, and re-reg Troll Ben-lotsofnumbers spreading his manure all over the place.

Texas T-

Pigotry - won't spar with you on issues of the past and revisionist history. Congress (Ds and Rs) approved the war in Iraq, much of it based on intelligence reports shared and agreed among many countries. Yes I think there was some element to "getting some revenge for Daddy" but truth is he acted with Congressional approval.

THAT is revisionist history. Congress didn't approve the war resolution until Dick Cheney managed to persuade House Majority Leader Dick Armey to change his mind and support the resolution.

Cheny told Armey that he had 'secret' intelligence that proved Sadaam Hussien had strong ties to Osama Bin Laden and the capability to build a "suitcase nuke" - both of which were lies. Dick Cheney took intelligence that had a "1%" chance of being accurate and presented it as fact.

Congress was misled into supporting the Iraq War by GW Bush and Dick Cheney, who both presented before Congress intelligence that they KNEW was inaccurate.

Let me guess, Ben. 4 1/2 months ago, you were one of the people who thought Romney was going north of 3 bills in the electoral vote. Carson wouldn't get an electoral vote outside of the south.

Ahhhh it's beautiful. The left calling facts manure and anyone calling facts to you hypocritical LIVs is off their meds is sooooooooooooo predictable when you have no counter arguments. Spring is in the air.

@Auntie -- Strange comment/observation you made there when all the left does is call the south bigoted but would vote for an educated African American???? Besides, Dr. Carson probably won't even run so you have nothing to worry about.

@Johntho -- yeah right. You are tool.

My non liberal Friends, Great Posts. Kudos. Outstanding. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Hey Ben, love how they CANT refute what you say but go with the tried and true classic of Deflect by either name calling or alluding to the idea that you are crazy and off your meds...

Way to ALWAYS disappoint Libs

FACT is Ben #'s the middle class already had a hidden tax when it comes to health care. We've been picking up the tab for slackers for years!

Lower health care costs require regulation of executives salaries, requirements that non-profits are really non-profits, standardization of sensible charges for procedures and meds, and a cap on profits as was done for the health care insurance companies.

The medical lobbyists spend 5 times more than oil or military equipment lobbyists. They are buying the ability to make enormous profits at the expense of health care for the average citizen.

Read the Steve Brill article in TIME magazine.

Another shooting unfolding at a school 2 hours away from me in New Prague MN. Let's see how this one fairs. We are all hoping for the best.

It will be interesting to watch the reactions as we are a gun loving state.

morgs

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/03/20/possible-shooting-at-new-prague-middle-school/

is this it?

@DCIA -- And the slackers are who???? Besides I am talking about additional taxes say for instance your smart phone or computer being designated as a "medical device" and taxed accordingly. But I would still like to see who you designate as slackers.

@Caesar -- Different day, same sh!t from the left.

Word CA. They are clearing the class rooms now. Sounds like it may have been a false alarm. Nothing like an hour of bad news to get your heart going in the morning.

If congress is too frightened of the N.R.A. (Not Relevant Anymore) to reduce access to high capacity military style assault weapons, then background checks must be tightened. Mass shootings (Sandy Hook, Oak Creek, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Columbine) have resulted in 95 dead people. On average guns killed 88 Americans and injured 202 each day during 2011. With less than 5 percent of the world's population, we now own 40 percent of all firearms in civilian hands. Are they WELL REGULATED as prescribed by the Second Amendment? Obviously not. Gun owners are statistically, significantly more likely to commit murder and to eventually commit suicide (Univ Penn LDI Issue Brief 2003;8(8), 1-4). If guns
cause more human damage than automobiles then funds of equivalent amounts should be devoted to registration of each weapon, licensed on one's birthday, a psychological screening test (MMPI), a practical operation test, and a written test of the weapons laws. Prior behavior predicts the likelihood of committing gun violence. Federal law prohibits felons and those convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence from possession of a firearm, but it allows those convicted of assault and battery, brandishing a weapon, and those making open threats of violence. That must be corrected. Federal law prohibits purchase by an abuser of controlled substances but allows alcohol abusers to purchase guns. That must be corrected.

Ben #'s -- If you're up on technology you would know there are smart phones and computers used as diagnostic tools. Smart phones are used to check heart rhythms and one will be used routinely to check blood sugar levels.

The slackers are those who refuse to pay their bills when they can or who use the emergency room routinely as a doctor's office.

@Caesar -- Different day, same sh!t from the left.

Thats ok Ben, according to some of the morons, we have Wikipedia and they have 4 degrees, 3 of which are Phds and one a Graduate. Mr Facist himself said he has three. Davey Poseur, Jackoff, MonkeyFux Ny, Thomas Grand, Boy Blunder are all super edumacated. And like Voltron, when these tools are put together they create the automoton Snap On, the liberal Forlorn Hope! Here they've come to save the DAY!

Of course when a true challenge arrives, they rebute with snide jack ass remarks or just tiptoe through the tuplips to avoid answering. My fave is to answer the question with a question followed by name calling and the Grand Finale victory dance on the 20 yard line..

Ben-636050

"We have to pass the bill to see what's in it," said siliconed poisoned Pelosi

No, she didn't. Liars like you enjoy mangling her quote, just like they mangle what Obama says, or mangle any you they find inconvenient. What Pelosi actually said was:

"We have to pass the bill so YOU can find out what's in it, away from the fog of controversy."

The "fog of controversy" she was referring to is the toxic fog of lies produced by Republicans like their lie about "death panels." Pelosi assumed that fog would diminish after the bill was passed allowing the public to see what the law truly was about. Unfortunately, she didn't count on the ability of the Republican fog machine to continue pumping out lies long after the bill became law.

Ben, the south's gotten to the point where you need 2 things to get their vote; 1) be a Republican and 2) have a pulse! Hell. they're about to send Mark Sanford back to Washington! The south being the south, they might just stay home at the trailer park if Carson get nominated.

Houston - Nancy Pelosi is definately in a fog.

"We have to pass the bill so YOU can find out what's in it, away from the fog of controversy."

precisely...she had no clue what was going on with it..since it wasnt televised on CSPAN...Great logic...

Unfortunately, she didn't count on the ability of the Republican fog machine to continue pumping out lies long after the bill became law.

so Houston, you know exactly whats in it? Sorry, this fog is still looming over this monstrosity to this day regardless of Republicans...

backhouse, 32 people a day die from gun violence. How many of those deaths are from a 5.56MM round fired from an AR 15? Don't answer because the answer is less than one if you average it out over a period of time.

So, why go on about a type of gun, then turn around and mention statistics that basically go against your previous theory?

Pistols are what is killing people in this country. People would be on board with stricter laws on those. Hell, we could remove background checks all together on rifles and shotguns. Those types of guns rarely are involved in murders. Pistols account for most all violent gun crimes.

Anyway, keep listening to the progressive anti-gun folks. You are buying into something that is useless. Banning guns that aren't used in crimes is stupid and will do nothing to prevent gun violence. I'd rather see some laws proposed that actually address the issue rather than a bunch of feel good stuff about taking scary looking guns off the market. Anyone who supports the Feinstein proposals likes to see gun violence and murder rates stay as is.

@Houston -- So Pelosi is not only siliconed poisoned but stupid as well. Thanks for pointing out it is time for her to go. She as outlived her usefulness -- if she ever had one.

@DCIA -- Slackers like illegals over crowding our emergency rooms. Thanks.

@Auntie -- Stupid and bigoted and condescending are not becoming on you

Caesar Disgustus-

so Houston, you know exactly whats in it? Sorry, this fog is still looming over this monstrosity to this day regardless of Republicans...

One of the things I do know is that there are no death panels in it. But you can believe whatever lies you want.

Houston, what she wanted to do was pass the bill before anyone got to see what was in it. If people had seen it before hand, there would have been even more outrage over it. People still don't like it and they didn't like it then either. Mandate coverage by law? Then get the SC to uphold the law because they called the fees a tax in the law and claimed it wasn't a tax when they promoted it. Progressives Lie and blame. And if you argue with a progressive and are winning the argument, you are a racist.

Houston, death panel is just a fancy and scary name for rationed care. Look ho that works in other countries with similar socialist type health care laws. You are 10 times more likely to di of serious illness in the UK than you are in the US. get cancer in France and you might as well go jump off of a skyscraper. The government will have a board of doctors that determine what care people will receive. If you ar deemed expendable (or not worth the money to fix), you will be denied the procedure. It is in the law, so I am not making it up.

Ben-636050

@Houston -- So Pelosi is not only siliconed poisoned but stupid as well. Thanks for pointing out it is time for her to go. She as outlived her usefulness -- if she ever had one.

You lied about what Pelosi said, and now that you've been proven a liar, you just revert to moronic name calling. What a hateful piece of work you are.

UPDATE ON TRAGIC SCHOOL SHOOTING IN MINNESOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hmmm, police chief says it never happened...only a 911 call, "everyone is safe and sound"

2nd Amendment...enjoy it friends. Jefferson, Washington, Adams and Franklin FTW.

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. Ronald Reagan

For the price of a box of shells you can get a yearly membership in the NRA or GOA. IF you are one of the 80 million+ gun owners, thank one of these members for being proactive in securing your freedom.

Houston, I was civil towards you and you have to call me Disgustus? what's disgustus is your fanboy worship of King Hussein and the FACT that Peloski made an idiotic remark [*shocked] and Clunkercare is a FOG in itself..

Progressives Lie and blame. And if you argue with a progressive and are winning the argument, you are a racist.

dont worry, Houston will reach in that bag o tricks and pull out the card here next...

Caesar Disgustus-

Houston, I was civil towards you and you have to call me Disgustus?

Why should liars like you be shown any respect?

@Houston -- a paraphrase is not lying. Same meaning. Same stupid, ignorant remark from Pelosi no matter how one quotes it. But if it makes you feel better . . .

Why should liars like you be shown any respect?

Lovely Houston..You have proved this

love how they CANT refute what you say but go with the tried and true classic of Deflect by either name calling or alluding to the idea that you are crazy and off your meds...

HAHAHA.... Game over man, Game Over...

To be able to kill 26 people in less than 5 minutes is no freedom anyone I know wants. Or that any sane human would want.

Speaking of the NRA anyone else seen the lying, fear mongering mailer that Rand Paul has sent to the NRA members.

The NRA does not care about Americans at all, they only care about protecting the gun manufactures and their profits.

The only freedom the NRA really wants you to protect is the freedom of the gun manufactures to make profit from the suffering and dying of Americans.

If the republicans really cared about rights and freedom they would not be working their hardest to make women into second class citizens with the government in charge of her health.

The republicans who really believe in freedom would not be working to suppress the vote which is the basis of our democracy.

Republicans are all about freedom and choice unless you are a woman or a voter.

Ben-636050

@Houston -- a paraphrase is not lying. Same meaning. Same stupid, ignorant remark from Pelosi no matter how one quotes it.

You didn't paraphrase, you lied. You changed the word "you" to "we" and deleted the reference to "fog" of the type that you and Disgustus and the other liars are still spreading.

Republicans are all about freedom and choice unless you are a woman or a voter.

Hyperbole and completly devoid of any truth...but hey when you get your 'news' from the provable Propaganda Machine MSDNC, i can see why you would say that...

So Commies First, perhaps you can show me where is the explicit right to vote provided for in the Constitution and Show me where the explicit right to own a fire arm is.... One is there and the other isnt...do you know?

type that you and Disgustus and the other liars are still spreading.

Face it Houston, you lost the argument...but thank Vahalla you have name calling...Now go find that corner and blank yourself.

Why should liars like you be shown any respect?

Houston!

They don't deserve any attention either... ;o)

They are not here to have a discussion, their only intention is to derail....

Their standard MO is, throw out a flaming lie, double down on it, then become indignant when having been exposed as the liar they are...

Take your sails out of their wind and eventually they will be stalled in their own sea of insanity!

*yawn*

into second class citizens with the government in charge of her our health.

That is exactly what the ACA has done -- turned our health over to the government. Thus we are second class citizens. But you probably think that's different.

citizen xx-

Houston, death panel is just a fancy and scary name for rationed care. Look ho that works in other countries with similar socialist type health care laws. You are 10 times more likely to di of serious illness in the UK than you are in the US. get cancer in France and you might as well go jump off of a skyscraper.

Your facts are somewhat twisted. Yes, the UK has a high cancer death rate than the US, but women actually have a better chance of surviving some forms of cancer in France than they do in the US.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7510121.stm

What you fail to mention is the wide discrepancy between the wealthy and poor in the US. If you are wealthy, you have a much better chance of surviving a "serious illness". This "gap" would be narrowed quite a bit under Obamacare, as the wealthycan still afford their treatments and the poor get better care.

The government will have a board of doctors that determine what care people will receive. If you ar deemed expendable (or not worth the money to fix), you will be denied the procedure. It is in the law, so I am not making it up.

That is patently untrue. The law calls for a board to review the effectiveness of new procedures, not individual cases or people. The board can make broad recommendations but does not have the power to "ration care" in any way, and certainly has no power or jurisdiction over individual situations.

Backhouse

Please stand up for the Assault Weapons Ban. The majority of Americans support re-authorizing this ban

The majority of Americans these days are sheep. The original ban did nothing, NOTHING!! What valid reason is there to pass a law that we already know will do NOTHING??? The only reason there is at all is to pacify the sheep. It's nothing more than a con game at this point. Those who will gain political capitol support it and those who will lose votes don't but make no mistake, they ALL know it will do NOTHING.

Well, Harry Ried obviously didn't think that Sandy Hook, Aurora, or Gabby deserved a vote. What happened Harry? Were you not there during the state of the union? I thought I saw you. Was that one of your zombies that you sent in place of yourself? I'm sure if you would have talked to a few of your fellow senators, they could have told you what the gist of the speech was. Way to get behind the president

Backhouse: The flu has fried your brain.

Those of us that live in rural areas carry firearms where ever we go. Rifles, shotguns and/or handguns. Forty-nine states now have concealed carry and there are millions of people who conceal carry. You just don't see them as they do not flaunt their rights.

There are no votes for the Assault Weapons Ban because the AR-15 is not an assault weapon. It is a semi-auto just like all the other semi-autos out there. This President and his administration has caused more weapon sales in this country than any others in the prior 20 years. People fear the Secular Progressives. We can not vote them out of office as the voters who vote them in are living on the Gov't dole, but you can be sure we will have protection under the 2nd Amendment. The tiny words at the end....."shall not be infringed"... makes all the difference in the world and was meant so from the very beginning.

For those of you that say the word "Militia", let me assure you that every young man that is 18 years old must register for the Militia. Soon every women will also register at the age of 18. The Militia is now called the Selective Service. The results and reasoning are the same today as since the late 1700s.

Wasting more time pushing to deprive us of our inalienable rights in an attempt to deflect from the fact that the Democrats have no solutions or coherent policies for the mess our country is in. It's going nowhere, not even among most of the Democrats.

Stand up and say no to the current and any future attempts at grabbing our rights.

The President's limo broke down in Israel. The official story is they put diesel instead of gas in the tank. Not sure if that's possible but there it is. Embarassing ineptitude for all the world to snicker over.

Interesting that they have no stories on Jobs... a subject that I would put first and foremost in importance. Iran about to go nuclear, North Korea wants to blow up the U.S., and topic of the day is always guns and gays.

Guns - a distraction tactic

Gays - a distraction tactic

We are in a stagnant economy for years now. Time to change the priorities and get this country back on track!

ObamaCare regulations over 20,000 pages, and the stack measures 7′ 2.5″ in height and their not finished yet?

"We have to pass the bill so YOU can find out what's in it.

We are 8 months away from the exchanges being implemented and, we still don't what's in Obamacare.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Their standard MO is, throw out a flaming lie, double down on it, then become indignant when having been exposed as the liar they are...

Are you describing someone elses's posts or your own?? Because I rarely see anything different from you.

Take your sails out of their wind and eventually they will be stalled in their own sea of insanity!

Well that hasn't seemed to slow you down so what makes you think it would work with anyone else?

They are not here to have a discussion, their only intention is to derail....

no one derailed asswipe Fisty, the entire discussion has nothing to do with the article at hand which bachhowse derailed right from the get go...Im sorry Fisty, by 'derailing' means that we speak up against your perpetual vitriol, but if you want unchallenged rule, perhaps N. Korea is more to your liking.. I think they would take your undying loyalty to the regime as a citizen any day

MIke-

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. Ronald Reagan

Funny you should mention Ronald Reagan, he was consistently in favor of restrictions on guns. As the governor of California he passed a law against having loaded weapons in public. As president he signed the automatic weapons ban. After his presidency he supported the assault weapons ban and the Brady Bill.

For the price of a box of shells you can get a yearly membership in the NRA or GOA. IF you are one of the 80 million+ gun owners, thank one of these members for being proactive in securing your freedom.

The NRA is proactive only in lining their pockets, and now oppose even sensible legislation like expanded background checks and stiffer penalties for "straw man" purchases - neither of which impact the freedoms of lawful gun owners.

I am a life-long hunter and shooter as well as an Army vet. I refuse to support the NRA, their far-right policies, or their slavish devotion to the gun manufacturers.

Backhouse,

Ever had a semi-automatic weapon aimed right at you?

Yes, I have and it was no more frightening than the time I stared down the barrel of a SINGLE-SHOT shotgun!

Next question from the peanut-gallery.

Caesar Disgustus

no one derailed a**wipe ...

and on and on Disgustus goes with his trademark repulsiveness. And he whines about civility.

These people are useless--both Dems & Repubs. We paid them handsomely to hold hearing after hearing and they come up with NOTHING!

I believe President Obama said that the People Deserved a Vote...On the Record!

If on my job I spent months managing a team--the highly paid human resources of my company--to research and interview people about a problem, I'd be expected to justify that expense by delivering a result. These people have just wasted a ton of money--just a bunch of profiling and hot air.

And yet time and time again, voters will send the same old politicians to DC to do NOTHING and get paid handsomely for it. Well, they do do something--they tell you to bend over and they shove it in your butt...and you do it.

And I can't even come up with the words that describe someone who is too thick to realize that LaPierre doesn't give a hit about the constitution. He's a lobbyist serving an industry that pays him and he's masking his lobbying by using the 2nd amendment.

I'm sure those kids who were mowed down were scared to death and in the face of an assault rifle nobody would have the time to run out of range. We're talking about making it harder to do such things and save at least a few people.

Ben-636050

That is exactly what the ACA has done -- turned our health over to the government. Thus we are second class citizens.

Yeah. Better watch out or else those "death panels" are gonna getcha.

justwatching-2564468

Ever had a semi-automatic weapon aimed right at you?

Yes, I have and it was no more frightening than the time I stared down the barrel of a SINGLE-SHOT shotgun!

Why are people always putting a gun in your face???

I agree, just where are the jobs that the republicans promised us in 2010?

Instead we get cuts and loss of nearly a million jobs to protect the tax loop-holes for the rich. Funny how it is only class warfare if the poor try to defend themselves.

Instead we get thrown from manufactured crisis to the next threatening our economy, but no jobs. The job hating republicans couldn't even bring themselves to vote for jobs for veterans.

We all know that republicans and faux lied us to war. And yet that is who the republicans trust to tell them the truth as they claim everyone else is lying but them.

Worse yet the republicans are just outraged that the rest of us won't believe the same lies they do.

and on and on Disgustus goes with his trademark repulsiveness. And he whines about civility.

Time for the trolls to invest in a high quality mirror... shame they are incapable of seeing their own reflection!

Ben . . .

He is a man of color and a conservative and the left is scared to death.

Good hell! If it's not you it's Lil Michelle telling all of us that ARE on the left how afraid we are. Are you kidding? Our guy just won an election that all of you on the RIGHT were certain was yours. Trust me. None of us are afraid of anything the GOP is throwing at the wall because none of it is sticking.

@Houston -- You are right we will have to watch out for death panels.

@AF -- I thought there were 6 million or so new jobs created??? What more do you want????

and on and on Disgustus goes with his trademark repulsiveness. And he whines about civility

Fisty is NEVER civil...apparently im not the only that notices.

seems Backcountry noticed it too...sorry, your Grand Pooba has the Copyright on Uncouth repulsivness. you seem to have had no problems joining the fray...you lost Houston and UMAD

Ben, no one is going to try to marginalize Dr. Carson. He's done that himself. He's a brain surgeon - nothing more, nothing less. He is in NO way qualified to run for President. He has NEVER served in any leadership role in government - not a Mayor, Governor, Senator, Congressman - nothing He has no leadership abilities and is a joke the GOP is pulling - yet again.

He is a distinguished surgeon and is an expert IN HIS FIELD. He is NOT Presidential material except in the small minds of the far right, ignorant Republicans - like you!

Interesting that they have no stories on Jobs... a subject that I would put first and foremost in importance. Iran about to go nuclear, North Korea wants to blow up the U.S., and topic of the day is always guns and gays.

In a way, I'd have to agree with you. If more people had jobs--and I'm talking full-time jobs that paid a living wage--perhaps people wouldn't be out shooting and going crazy.

As far as gay people are concerned, I have to wonder why this is such a Topic of Crisis. I oppose discrimination...period. There are loads of people who suffer discrimination, not just gays. If they want to get married, why should I care? People deserve happiness during their short lives.

@Houston -- You are right we will have to watch out for death panels.

Hey Ben, if they arent called 'death panels' but something else, say rationed care, would that make Houston right? LMAO.. the Libs think if you put lipstick on a pig, it's no longer a pig..and when you show them it's a pig...they call you a blanking moron loser Reichwing racist, afraid of the 'angry black man' in the whitehouse... This is how the libs on here measure success

He is in NO way qualified to run for President.

Do you know the qualifications? Perhaps one of the 'lib Constitutional Scholars' can shed some light on this

The ACA (Obama Care) is here to stay, because it is the law of the land. So, let's get over it, and Move On!!!

Lil Michelle...................well said.

He's a brain surgeon - nothing more, nothing less. He is in NO way qualified to run for President.

We live in a country where anyone can aspire to be an elected official. Based on the no-talent hacks that voters continually send to DC, I'd say that Carson is as qualified as anybody. And I don't even agree with the guy. Whether he'd win is a different matter. But it's his choice to make.

As an aside (since none of our "news" agencies thinks the murder of 4 Americans and the attempted murder of 30 others are as important as the Democrats attempting to steal our rights)

The first excerpted Blumenthal e mail, dated September 12, 2012, reports that senior advisors told the President of Libya during the day of September 11 that the Benghazi and Tripoli attacks were sparked by the Cairo demonstrations and anger over an anti-Muslim video. The President himself attributed the anti-American activity at the Tripoli and Benghazi facilities to efforts to undermine his regime by tying him to the CIA. The President warned that his enemies were working to take advantage of his suspected links to the CIA at a time when Western intelligence services are under scrutiny in Libya.

So, right from the get go the administrations prerogative was to blow smoke up the President of Libya's ass as well as the American public with what is now known as "The Big Video Lie". Shame on them. The poor survivors are still under lock and key. That is, if they haven't already perished from "natural causes" or "suicide".

More to come, Hillary is sweating.

First of all, Ralph. Gun owners are more likely to be murderers or to suicide? Where did you find that supposed fact? In an article entitled "Convenient Theories For You"? My husband and I are gun owners and being Texans, many we know are also gun owners. Are we murderers? Um, no. Law abiding citizens who believe in protecting our 2nd amendment rights and ourselves.

Both my husband and I have permits to carry concealed and do so, but the public would never know it. You'd be surprised at how many around you everyday may be carrying a perfectly legal, concealed handgun. As for the assault rifle ban, as someone else pointed out, this would do nothing to stop mass shootings. It would be a useless law on the books only to pacify the lefty, anti-gun nuts.

Ralph, I will tell you this. If anyone ever threatened my family or me in our home or out in the parking lot of some restaurant, mall, what have you, I would not hesitate to pump them full of hot lead. And then wait for the cops to show up. I am being threatened. But instead of standing there helpless as a malevolent POS tries to attack me or my family, I will be able to PROTECT MYSELF and save my life and that of my family.

And MSNBC, where are all the stories about home invaders who've been shot as they bust down some innocent civilian's door? Stories like this happen regularly but I rarely see them reported on here, if ever. But those on the left would cry tears for the poor little, would be killer/rapist as he lay dying because he picked the wrong house. Doesn't matter to them that the family in the home is now safe because a law abiding gun owner protected them. Keep your heads in the sand, lefties. That's where Obama keeps his most of the time, when he's not campaigning. Cause let's face it. He is no leader.

Storm Trooper alert -- The SS is here!!!!!!!! Sorry but the Constitution says who is qualified not an ignorant tool like you. Go back to your pornography board meeting where you are laying face down on the board just a awaiting . . .

@Job1 -- Just like Citizens United. It's the law of the land. So get over it and Move On!!!!

Layton-3733410

Trust me. None of us are afraid of anything the GOP is throwing at the wall because none of it is sticking.

Like throwing a hamburger pickle against a window, and watching it dribble down like a slimy snail.

Salud

if they arent called 'death panels' but something else, say rationed care, would that make Houston right? LMAO.. the Libs think if you put lipstick on a pig, it's no longer a pig..

Well, well, well. Here we have the astute CA once again, conflating two concepts as if they were the same thing. Another example of your lazy, sloppy, careless thought processes, CA. Apparently it's so much easier for you to take potshots than to do any real thinking or analysis.

Where the Senate is at right now seems like a logical place to start. I am a conservative but I have no problem at all with requiring the same background checks at gun shows that you have at gun shops. I bought a handgun from a gun shop and had to go through a background check.... A gun show is a mega-gun-shop.

It also makes sense to put stiff penalties on "straw man purchases", where someone with a clean background buys the gun and then immediately transfers it to someone who couldn't pass the background check.

These are good starts. But the real problem is that criminals don't give a rip about laws one way or the other, and as long as they want a gun there are ways to get it.

Ben-lotsofissues

@Job1 -- Just like Citizens United. It's the law of the land. So get over it and Move On!!!!

Just like the Supreme Court uphead, Constitutionally suported PPACA.

So get over it and Move On!!

Preferbly to a RW website like Drudge.

Salud

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but we already have death panels. They are called the Insurance Companies! The companies that limit your treatment or deny it or won't even cover you.

The Congress, in It's wisdom, will consider banning "spit balls" with a circumference exceeding 3 inchs, and all rubber bands with widths exceeding a quarter inch in all elementary and middle schools. As one "tea bag" congressman from Georgia put it; gwaddamn!, "if we don't do this some of these kids could lose their eyes". That was Congressman "Cods galore" by the way.

With the assault weapons and large capacity magazine ban stripped away, the true goal of Obama and his anti gun bunch takes center stage, the universal background check nonsense.

This is Obama's attempt at national registration of all firearms and that too will fail. Without a national gun registry any legislation enacted for expanding background checks is worthless and completely unenforceable, and they know it.

There are current laws that specifically prohibit any government agency from maintaining such records so any attempt to enact such a national registration would violate existing law as well as the constitution.

Ultimately, Obama and his bunch will get virtually nothing of what they want, save for some increased penalties for gun crimes already on the books. But look for them to keep trying. The anti gun bunch will go away for a while but are certain to resurface time and again.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

The GOP is controlled by lobbyist groups.

Grover Norquist, The NRA, The banking industry, and the oil industry.

On Monday the SCOTUS heard arguments about citizenship and voting. Will you support the will of Americans that say by 71% -- in a recent poll -- favor proof of citizenship before being allowed to register to vote?

@RedRover -- and the democrats aren't???? Funny. You need to change your name to Bend Over because the dems are doing that to you w/o KY.

@Tomas (errr Feisty) -- Struck a chord huh. Can't take it that Citizens United has the same Constitutionality as the ACA. Get over it and Move On.

Ben, Caesar, Citizen XX, et al.

When you start a rant with a misquote and a falsehood, no one bothers to read any more. You can misquote all you like, you can deny the facts all you like. You can name call all you like, even as you complain about others calling names.

The truth is still the truth. You can deny the truth, but you can't change it.

Houston, thank you for setting the record straight.

Oh here we go again with the lame brain attempts to mariginalize Dr. Benjamin Carson ! Liberals wet their pants in horror because he is black, conservative, intelligent and openly critical of Obama's ongoing inability to run the country properly !

But most of all, Dr. Benjamin Carson thinks rationally and has displayed enormous common sense ... two things Obama will never be able to do ! Carson is living proof that blacks CAN succeed on their own merits in our society ... while Obama continues to sell the black population on the concept they cannot succeed unless the Federal Government is there to prop them up !!

One is a message of REAL hope, while the President's message is that of dependency !!!

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Time for the trolls to invest in a high quality mirror... shame they are incapable of seeing their own reflection!

Speaking from experience I see.

Well, well, well. Here we have the astute CA once again, conflating two concepts as if they were the same thing. Another example of your lazy, sloppy, careless thought processes, CA. Apparently it's so much easier for you to take potshots than to do any real thinking or analysis.

Thats all we need Jackoff, more coffee house theory or as you call it analysis..again lipstick on a PIG is still a PIG...Enjoy your Victory lap albeit premature and wrong..

Houston, you need to try and understand just how low these right here are. Disgustus is one of the dumbest people I have ever seen post anywhere, followed by a toss up between geo and ben. Nothing they have offers anything constructive it is always stupid and hate laced ignorance.

Totas, if you want to know what is in the ACA, how about reading it. It is readily available at whitehouse.gov. Its all there. While it isn't a government takeover it is a patients bill of rights and also makes those irresponsible people that refuse and can afford health insurance pay their way, instead of charging me and you, well at least me for their procedures and things. This is among other good things that it brings. Obama cares, it is about time. We and South Africa are the only two civilized countries in the world that don't take care of the medical needs of ALL of its people, and instead allow for medical care based on financial status. Health care is viewed as a human right everywhere but here. The once greatest country on earth simply isn't anymore because of those on the right that keep holding us back. The very fact that we are the most expensive in the world and yet perform shoddy work should be a clue that something needed to be done. Obama got it done. Good for him.

KeenInsight

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but we already have death panels. They are called the Insurance Companies! The companies that limit your treatment or deny it or won't even cover you.

During the debate over the ACA, it came out that there are people in insurance companies whose job it is to find grounds to deny coverage to people who've been paying their insurance premiums of years. If the corporate death panelists succeed, they get a bonus. One case was a woman who needed treatment for cancer, and was denied coverage because she failed to report to the insurance company that she had been treated for acne as a teenager. The Affordable Care Act should, I hope, prohibit this kind of predatory "free enterprise."

Wet Willy -

There are current laws that specifically prohibit any government agency from maintaining such records so any attempt to enact such a national registration would violate existing law as well as the constitution.

Wrong on both counts. If a law passed that ALLOWED agencies to keep those records, it would obviously supercede existing law.

Where in the Constitution does it forbid a national registry of gun owners?

TNSEVOL... IF you are truly a hunter, ( or a firearms owner at all ) you would know that the Dems have been after guns since 1968. From your posts, It sounds like you are just another anti posing as a gun owner. But in the event you are telling the truth and If you don't agree with the NRA, then join the GOA. Or better yet, join the NRA as a life member and get involved in the organization and attend meetings and make your opinions known. We are under attack from anti hunters and anti-gunners on all fronts. Funny how they want to ban something they don't understand or ever been a part of. I mean, I don't understand gay sex and intravenous drug use, but I don't propose banning those activities. The amount of AIDS deaths from those activities far outweighs any deaths from "assault weapons". In fact, more people were killed last year with blunt instruments such as hammers than with "assault weapons". Attemtpting to ban legal citizens the use of firemarms to cure criminal behaviour is akin to clapping with one hand. Not very effective and all the statistics from the last ban have proven that.

jimmy numbers ....

Oh here we go again with the lame brain attempts to mariginalize Dr. Benjamin Carson ! Liberals wet their pants in horror because he is black, conservative, intelligent and openly critical of Obama's ongoing inability to run the country properly !

There is NO attempt to marginalize Dr. Carson. He is a DOCTOR not a politician. What IS pathetic is how your little group think he is all that JUST because he is black and critical of the President.

Again, as posted above, we are not "wetting our pants in horror." The liberals are happy. President Obama is in the White House. Remember last year at this time when you all were telling us that he wouldn't be?

!! Get over yourself !!

Houston,

Even one of the Democrat's own, Paul Krugman, has explicitly stated that the ACA will result in higher taxes for all Americans AND Death Panels. Here's his quote:

"We're going to need more revenue, we're going to need, and probably in the end, surely in the end it will require some sort of middle class taxes as well. So again, we won't be able to pay for the kind of government, the society wwe want without some increase in taxes, not a huge one, but some increase on taxes on the middle class, maybe a value-added tax. we're going to have to make decisions about health care, not pay for health care that has no demonstrated medical benefits. So you know the snarky version I use, which is, I shouldn't even say because it will get me in trouble, is death panels and sales taxes is how we do this."

Steve Rattner, the former advisor to Obama's Treasury Department, has also said basically the same thing, but instead of it being called 'death panels' it is called the 'mortality index' or "Quality of Life Rationing system." Here's his quote:

"Here is a small question for the country...Right now, most Americans do not see price in deciding whether to use healthcare...When people go on Medicare, they really don't see price, they tend to consume more than they otherwise would. Twenty-six percent of all Medicare spending is last year of life. We don't know how much of that is really efficacious spending. These are really tough moral questions for the country but we are going to have to deal with them."

In regards to rationing healthcare, he continues:

"No one wants to lose an aging parent. And with price out of hte equation, it's natural for patients and their families to try every treatment, regardless of expense or efficacy. But that imposes an enormous societal cost that few other nations have been willing to bear. Many countries whose health care systems are regularly extolled - including Canada, Australia and New Zealand - have systems for rationing care. Take Britain, which provides universal coverage with spending at proportionately almost half of American levels. Its National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence uses a complex quality-adjusted life year system to put an explicit value (up to about $48,000 per year) on a treatment's ability to extend life. At the least, the Independent Payment Advisory Board should be allowed to offer changes in services and costs. We may shrink from such stomach-wrenching choices, but they are inescapable."

There is also a new government-funded "mortality index" study, which is a way for doctors to determine the likelihood that someone will die within the next 10 years. The maximum score in the index is 26 points, which gives you a 95% chance of dying in the next 10 years. Males automatically start with 2 points, because men have a lower life expectancy than women. Then it add points based on age, with anyone over 85 getting 7 points.

There was an unreported part of the PP&ACA which requires the establishment of a Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute, which is required by the law to evalute and compare health outcomes and clinical effectiveness and risks and benefits of two or more medical treatments or services.

I suggest everyone actually do some research about the PP&ACA and everything else before spouting off comments about how it doesn't include certain aspects or it does. Read the bill yourselves before trusting a politician, who has made it their entire life work to lie to the American people and move their way into power.

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives." - James Madison

I hope, prohibit this kind of predatory "free enterprise."

you hope the Federal Gov is going to swoop in and save the day? out of all the government intervention very little is successful and something on this level with Clunkercare is likely to be disassterous. I know you Libruls seem to think you posses the magic 8ball and know the future, however it would appear most of America views Clunkercare to be too Foggy.

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Layton - oh please, you're communicating with jimmylotsanumbers? The fact that he - according to your post - is now fixated on Dr. Carson says it all, doesn't it? The GOP again tries their tactic of "oh they loved it when the Democrats did it so we will too." First it was idiot Palin - a total goofball - to try to replace Hillary. We all saw how THAT worked!

Now it's Dr. Carson - an intelligent surgeon - but that's it. He has no more of a grasp of government than Palin does of class. He is NOT qualified to step out of the operating room. But, hey, he's black and smart so of course he can run for President. Let them run him - just another joke the Republican party is trying to pull on the American people!

How sad the once great party of the GOP no longer exists - now it's all fanatics and lunatics. Just look at the posters here - Ben, Lil Michelle, Olivia, etc. Not one of them has two brain cells to rub together!

stack892

Even one of the Democrat's own, Paul Krugman, has explicitly stated that the ACA will result in higher taxes for all Americans AND Death Panels.

You missed Krugman's comment about "snark." And you seem to have missed the fact that the insurance companies have REAL death panels.

Thats all we need Jackoff, more coffee house theory or as you call it analysis..

Poor little Caesar doesn't want to do the work necessary to be taken seriously. There's a fundamental flaw in your logic, and it's so glaring that even your RWNJ buddies can see it. Your reasoning goes like this:

A. Snow is white.

B. There is something white on the roofs.

C. Therefore it is snow.

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I can't understand why someone would want to wallow in such ignorance.

Or be seen a fool by so many.

Houston!

During the debate over the ACA, it came out that there are people in insurance companies whose job it is to find grounds to deny coverage to people who've been paying their insurance premiums of years. If the corporate death panelists succeed, they get a bonus. One case was a woman who needed treatment for cancer, and was denied coverage because she failed to report to the insurance company that she had been treated for acne as a teenager. The Affordable Care Act should, I hope, prohibit this kind of predatory "free enterprise."

Nothing says fun like fighting with the insurance company. My favorite so far has been going for a cleaning and having my insurance deny it as "not medically necessary", when it's in my plan to get 2 cleanings a year.

When I'm getting that over BS they are supposed to cover that isn't life threatening, makes me wonder what others are seeing billed as 'not medically necessary', particularly for expensive high end medicine.

anyone notice that when the House of Representatives does something that they don't like, the left is calling out "Republicans are worthless", yet when the Senate does something similar, it is "Congress" that is to blame?

Good job CO, first in the nation with common sense gun control. The ban on assault weapons is needed and our congress without balls knows this but are afraid of a minority. The victims of these crimes deserve a vote. Lets see who is for common sense and see who is as dumb as disgustus.

@Layton, I would much rather have a DOCTOR in the White House (or Congress) who has proven the ability to think rationally ... than a "community-organizer" politician who had MINIMAL experience in Congress before deciding to pole-vault into the White House !

Benjamin Carson does scare the hell out of you because he makes it clear that black people can succeed without voting Democrat ! As predicted, libs like you DID wet your pants !! I suggest you go change them now because Dr.Carson's intelligence and common sense will be on display for some time !

Obama's common sense has never shown up !

Caesar - Congrats, Me and Ben are a close 2nd. Keep up the good work.

Ben-636050

@Tomas (errr Feisty) -- Struck a chord huh.

LMFAO!!!

Poor delusional Ben.

You are a pimple on a flea.

Salud

LOL, thanks Johntho for proving my point in 1.117

anyone notice that when the House of Representatives does something that they don't like, the left is calling out "Republicans are worthless", yet when the Senate does something similar, it is "Congress" that is to blame?

Johntho -

The ban on assault weapons is needed and our congress without balls knows this but are afraid of a minority.

Houston!

You didn't paraphrase, you lied.

what do you expect from a guy whose role models are people like Sara Failin Palin, Limballs, Hannity, etc.? They all make a living by "paraphrasing." Without that, people like Ben and Faux News employees would have nothing to talk about.

SeekingSanity - I would rather have a doctor with common sense lead my country than have a constitutional scholar who tries to side step it on every chance on the payroll. You nailed it earlier...he is no professional politician and thank goodness for that. If you can say with a straight face that we need more professional politicians you are stoned.

It confounds me that there are actually those out there who think Barry is doing a GREAT JOB, but it really shouldn't, given the dumbing down of America. Try not doing a damn thing but CAMPAIGNING. Those who voted him in should be embarrassed. He is nothing but an empty suit. Only four more years, thank God. Would love to see Reid and Skeletor Pelosi gone as well.

TomasGrande

Poor delusional Ben.

Be gentle, he's only 'paraphrasing.'

Congrats, Me and Ben are a close 2nd. Keep up the good work.

Oh, this is too precious to pass up. "Me and Ben." Didn't you learn anything in second grade, geo?

Take out the "and Ben". Now you're left with: "Me . . . are a close second."

Does that sound right to you? Didn't think so.

jimmy numbers . . .

than a "community-organizer"

Say what you will about that community organizer and have your opinions. I'll tell you something though, that community organizer sure knew how to organize TWO campaigns that got him into the White House with a lot of support from the citizens of this country. Maybe you ought to take a look into that if you want to organize ANYONE on the right into the WH - ever! Now get back to your constant whining and bitching. And please don't forget to make it emphatic !!

Olivia Dunham

It confounds me that there are actually those out there who think Barry is doing a GREAT JOB!

Compared to the last president, Obama is doing a great job! But then again, your definition of "great job" might be GWB - you know, the guy, that no Republican is willing to poke with a 10-foot pole.

Houston!,

"You missed Krugman's comment about "snark." And you seem to have missed the fact that the insurance companies have REAL death panels."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Snarky - 1. Disrespectful; snide.

Snide - Derogatory in a malicious, superior way.

He used the word "snarky" as means to try and still ridicule Republicans, like Sarah Palin. Not to be like "oh this is a joke, but I'm going to say it anyways."

Tnsevol 1.106

Right on both counts. Passing of contradictory legislation does not automatically supersede existing law, unless part of the new legislation specifically rescinds any existing contradictory legislation.

Since the sole purpose of a national gun registry is to enable eventual confiscation, it is a clear violation of the 2nd amendment. There is no other reason for a national gun registry and as articulated in a Justice Department letter to Obama, such a registration would be a necessary requirement for a "forced buyback" (confiscation) to be effective.

Layton-3733410

Say what you will about that community organizer and have your opinions.

How quickly do people like jimmy forget that the president THEY picked bankrupted 2 companies as their CEO...I'll take Obama's resume over GWB's anytime.

bayllie

TomasGrande

Poor delusional Ben.

Be gentle, he's only 'paraphrasing.'

Yes. He's a pathological 'paraphraser.'

Morgs74 - you've proved with every post that you have no intelligence - no common sense. So, the fact that you want a brain surgeon as President is no surprise. You're dazzled by sparkly things with no substance. And clearly stoned would be an improvement for you. You have NO mental acuity and prove it daily!

Our President is an attorney; a constitutional law professor; has been a state senator as well as a US Senator. Your finding that he isn't qualified says everything about you - you who voted TWICE for the buffoon Bush.

No run along - you have no arguments and no fact to back up anything you post - ever. Perhaps Dr. Carson IS somone you need - but not for President!

Layton - yes, dear Georgie bankrupted 2 companies and still managed to get a SBA loan while daddy was President so he could continue to draw his $120,000 salary as he sent his company spiraling into oblivion. But hey, perfect for the Republicans to vote him in as President, right?

stack892

He used the word "snarky" as means to try and still ridicule Republicans, like Sarah Palin. Not to be like "oh this is a joke, but I'm going to say it anyways."

Krugman meant snark, as in saying that to "not pay for health care that has no demonstrated medical benefits" is the same as a death panel. Snark as in only an idiot would believe that.

It's interesting how so-called conservatives scream about waste, fraud, and abuse, but they think it's OK to throw money away for snake oil medicine. The REAL death panels run by the insurance companies make no distinction between effective and useless medical procedures. They only care about ways they can deny ANY coverage to increase their profits, regardless of whether the procedure would save someone's life.

Houston!

Yes. He's a pathological 'paraphraser.'

that sounds so much nicer than 'pathological bullsh*tter', doesn't it?

Liberals definition of a racist: Anyone who disagrees w/ a liberals opinion or position

Jack in Portsmouth, you have to realize geo is posting with a disability, his brain is on conservatism. Or no brain at all.

SS -

Our President is an attorney; a constitutional law professor; has been a state senator as well as a US Senator.

Yes, great qualifications...what has he done with them? As an attorney he lost his license. As a constitutional law "professor" he gave speeches and used his knowledge to sell you branded a tax on ACA. He also has used every loophole to try and sidestep any law that doesn't agree with him. As a state senator...look at his voting record and that should tell you plenty.

As always SS...nevermind. You are just a tool.

Would it make it better for you lil idiot, if I said the Senate has no balls? To me it is synonymous, the Senate and the House of representatives are both part of congress and either can be called congress. But let nit pick be part of your argument since you have no other.

Or maybe just maybe Morgs you let your mind overload your ass. Obama has done a great job, from where we were to where we are is 1000 times better then your hero Bush left it. I suspect anyone with an irrational hate for our president is probably just a bigot and is upset because there is a man of color sleeping in the nations White House.

Morgs74

Yes, great qualifications...what has he done with them? As an attorney he lost his license.

another freakin' "paraphraser"!!!

Morgs, why don't you prove to us that Obama lost his license vs. willingly surrounding it when he became POTUS.

Please, pretty please, prove it to us....or admit that you are willingly spreading steamin' pile of CRAP.

bayllie

I'll take Obama's resume over GWB's anytime.

And I'll take dog @!$%# in my yard over dog @!$%# on my shoe anytime, but at the end of the day, dog @!$%# is dog @!$%#.

Haggis - Is it congress or the spineless Democrats? Jack, Insanity, Baylie, Jonboy, no comments on Harry's lack of stones. Typical.

@ Pigotry

Welcome to the first day of Spring …& the 10^th anniversary of the start of the Iraqi War...or what GW Bush called 'my revenge for Saddam's assassination attempt on my Dad.'

George Wmd Bush started War in Iraq 10 years ago today on the false WMD claims. Now Bush is the only one in hiding. Finding GW Bush today is more difficult than finding WMD in Iraq 10 years ago.

But we need to help our veterans in finding jobs, getting more education, having more friends, and in making the transition to civilian life.

Yes We Can

#1.1

I don't know why I bother, you are not intelligent enough to understand what I am about to say, so I will say it to the others in the room, only in reference to your comment. (Read the last line piggy)

To all you Peaceniks out there, We all know the Cost of war is high, but ask yourself, “What is the cost of not fighting?”
*
Perhaps it would have been better for Hitler to win WWII? Or maybe it would have been better to stay a British Colony for another 200 years? Was it a good idea to wage the War of Northern Aggression, to preserve the Union?
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If you are going to fight a war do it right – massive overkill and destroy the enemy’s will. Then you can rebuild and have peace. The reason we can no longer ‘win’ a war any more is because of losers like you, and the ones in the media. The leadership now has to appease you limp wristed, candy ass, squeamish poltroons. We have to worry about “collateral damage” and “winning hearts and minds” from a culture that seems only to respect force and violence.
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We helped the Afghans to get the Soviets out, and we left them to govern themselves. How did they repay our assistance? They set up camps to train those who would kill us. What do you think would have been the outcome if we had done nothing or if we had used “Peaceful” means to try and seek justice for those killed on 9/11?
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10 years later, Sadam may have rebuilt his chemical weapons stockpile, and he may have even given some to terrorist had we done nothing. But today, we know for damn sure that he isn’t able to do that.

from the UNSCOM report on Iraq's WMD Program;

On February 12, 2009, Iraq acceded to the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), a multilateral treaty banning the development, production, stockpiling, transfer, and use of chemical weapons.[8] (To date, 188 countries have signed and ratified the CWC.) After joining the Chemical Weapons Convention, Iraq was obligated to declare within 30 days any legacy stocks of chemical weapons it had inherited from the Saddam Hussein regime. On March 12, 2009, Iraq declared Bunkers 13 and 41 at Muthanna containing filled and unfilled chemical munitions and precursors, as well as five former chemical weapons production facilities, to the international body overseeing CWC implementation—the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) in The Hague, the Netherlands.[9]
As a result, no record exists of the exact number or status of the sarin-filled rockets remaining in the bunker. According to the UNMOVIC final report in 2007,the rockets "may be both filled and unfilled, armed or unarmed, in good condition or deteriorated."[10] In the worst-case scenario, the munitions could contain as much as 15,000 liters of sarin. Although it is likely that the nerve agent has degraded substantially after nearly two decades of storage under suboptimal conditions, UNMOVIC cautioned that "the levels of degradation of the sarin fill in the rockets cannot be determined without exploring the bunker and taking samples from intact warheads."[11] If the sarin remains highly toxic and many of the rockets are still intact, they could pose aproliferation risk.
Between the end of major combat operations in Iraq on May 1, 2003, and Iraq's accession to the CWC on February 12, 2009, U.S. and British occupation forces recovered hundreds of chemical munitions containing degraded mustard or sarin, all dating from the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s or the 1991 Persian Gulf War.[17]
According to the ISG final report, published in September 2004, "Beginning in May 2004, ISG recovered a series of chemical weapons from Coalition military units and other sources. A total of 53 munitions have been recovered, all of which appear to have been part of pre-1991 Gulf War stocks based on their physical condition and residual components. The most interesting discovery has been a 152mm binary Sarin artillery projectile—containing a 40 percent concentration of Sarin—which insurgents attempted to use as an Improvised Explosive Device(IED). The existence of this binary weapon not only raises questions about the number of viable chemical weapons remaining in Iraq and [sic] raises the possibility that a larger number of binary, long-lasting chemical weapons still exist."[18]

Well gee whiz Wally, you mean the really found WMD's in Iraq? I guess so Beav. Well Surprise, Surprise, Surprise. I really do wish you loser liberals would get the facts and pay attention to them before you open your pie holes.

Here's a question for you

In the last 80 years, The Democratic Party has held simultaneous control of both Houses of Congress for 52 of those years as well as the White House for 31 years. Meanwhile, in those same 80 years the Republican Party has held simultaneous control of both Houses of Congress for 14 of those years as well as the White House for 6 years.

So, since the Democrats have held the predominance of power in this country for the last 80 years, why are we worse off than were, and why is everything the Republicans Fault?

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."-- Samuel Adams

NO, you can't.

bayllie - Surrendered? Lost? I don't give a crap about your symantecs. What has he done with it? Has he ever stepped into a court of law as a lawyer? Pretty please, show me what he as an Attorney has done with his license.

Obama has done a great job

And if you don't agree with me you are a bigot. Spoken like a true parrot. Bush and Obama are the same freaking person. Whatever Bush instituted Obama has either let continue or signed on to extend it. Bush is over, what you see here is pure Obama baby. 5 years and still Gitmo, wars, more wars, more drones, less liberties, more entitlements. Bang up job. only a clown would call this a job well done.

Johntho

Nothing they have offers anything constructive it is always stupid and hate laced ignorance.

Reading through your posts I've just got to ask. How the @!$%# do you not see the hypocrisy of this statement??? All you do is whine and cry about everyone; surely you can't be stupid enough to believe that is in any way "constructive" or that it is somehow anything other than your own hate spewing out.

ClownsWillKillYou

Liberals definition of a racist: Anyone who disagrees w/ a liberals opinion or position

Hey Clowns, here are examples of what we consider RACIST:

Ann Coulter's: “Our Blacks Are Better Than Their’s”

or

Pat Buchanan's: “Blacks Bought A Lot Of Propaganda On The Liberal Plantation.”

or

Rush Limbaugh calling Obama “Oreo Cookie”

or

Republican congressman Doug Lamborn of Colorado said that working with President Obama on the debt ceiling was like “touching a tar baby.”

or

Limbaugh calling Michelle Obama uppity (a word used by racists during Jim Crow to describe African Americans who didn’t know their place)

These are just a few examples because why waste my time. It will go right over your head anyways.

Morgs74 - when you continue to post lies which have been debunked over and over - you prove yourself to be a fool. Our President DID NOT lose his law license. I'll try to put this in small words so you can possibly understand but I realize that is probably useless.

His law license - as well as Michelle's - is on "inactive" status. He can activate it when he wants to. In order to keep it active they both would have to take continuing education (sorry - I know the words are too big for you) courses every year; pay malpractice insurance; and pay other fees. Obviously these would not be possible for either of them - nor necessary - while he is President so the licenses are "inactive." This has been explained over and over before and your lie has been debunked by both the State of Illinois and SNOPES. Oh but that's right - you have no use for the truth!

YOU are a damned liar!

As a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago (a prestigeous university) he TAUGHT constitutional law - he didn't give speeches.

He actively served as an attorney in several cases - I believe 2nd chair.

Your constant need to lie shows what a lowlife piece of gutter trash you are. Aren't you even a little embarrassed that all you have to post is constantly lie after lie after lie?

Pitiful trash - that's all you are!

During the four years Obama worked as a full-time lawyer at the firm, he was involved in 30 cases and accrued 3,723 billable hours.^[69]

-Wiki

My mistake.

Backcountry164

And I'll take dog @!$%# in my yard over dog @!$%# on my shoe anytime, but at the end of the day, dog @!$%# is dog @!$%#.

except one president inherited sh*t free country (as sh*t free as it ever was) but left a big pile of sh*t for the next guy. And the next guy was left to clean the sh*t up but people like you bitch that he's not cleaning it up fast enough...
Remind me again why no Republican wants to be seen with GWB?

Your constant need to lie shows what a lowlife piece of gutter trash you are. Aren't you even a little embarrassed that all you have to post is constantly lie after lie after lie?

I fess up to my mistakes. You? Nothing but a swing dick. Call me out on something else....daring you Billy.

YOU are a damned liar!

That is rich. I guess I can count on you vote should I run for president.

Morgs74 - no YOUR LIES - as usual it's all you post!

ballie - steaming pile of crap" is not being fair to the crap because it's MUCH better than Morgs74!

Morgs74 - "i fess us to my mistakes." Really? Where do you state you LIED about his law license or his teaching Constitutional law?

But, you DO show you are the perfect crude, classless, vulgar Republican with the "swing dick" comment. You truly are filth! And, now post more lies for us - it's all you ever do!

Morgs74 Surrendered? Lost? I don't give a crap about your symantecs

wow, morgs, you take the ignorance cake...

you need to look up SEMANTICS - definition and spelling - because apparently you have no idea what that word means.

SeekingSanity

Morgs74 - when you continue to post lies which have been debunked over and over - you prove yourself to be a fool.

he's not lying; he's SYMANTECing

bayllie - and who is billy????

Morgs74 - we can pretty much call you out on anything you post since it's always LIES! Go ahead and explain the lie about his law license - do it! Stupid lying Republican. You're a total fool!

SEMANTICS

Symantec...lol. I guess I deserve that. Computer terms everywhere.

But, you DO show you are the perfect crude, classless, vulgar Republican

No hypocrisy here, shall I regurgitate your post history for everyone to see? Sorry but you are nothing but a swinging dick. Limp, pisses allover himself, and virtually useless. Your poor wife..

SeekingSanity

His law license - as well as Michelle's - is on "inactive" status

Wrong. He retired his law license. Try getting some actual facts yourself before trying to debunk someone else's BS.

As a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago (a prestigeous university) he TAUGHT constitutional law - he didn't give speeches.

Wrong again. He was a "Senior Lecturer" NOT a professor. To be a professor you have to be full time, Obama only taught 3 courses per year. And after initially receiving high praise his status quickly dropped. Not many people took his courses and few of those who did said they would recommend them. Obama's time as a "law professor" was nothing other than an exercise in resume padding, a common practice amongst career politicians.

Geez... It's so busy on here today that Chaeser Gobustis (aka re-reg of "hyper-bully") and his slowhorts can hardly get a turd in edge-wise!!...

I'm so flattered with the honorable mention amidst his whimpering though... had to give him a shout-out!!

Now he can go back to his slovenly use of perverse nomenclature in his pitiful attempts to insult the females amongst his betters... Like a good little dog. Too bad Mommy isn't around with a bar of soap to make one last attempt at creating a man out of him...

bayllie

except one president inherited sh*t free country (as sh*t free as it ever was) but left a big pile of sh*t for the next guy. And the next guy was left to clean the sh*t up but people like you bitch that he's not cleaning it up fast enough...

LOL! People like me?? Actually I don't think he's cleaning up anything. I think he has squatted down and @!$%# all over the place. He's taken GWB's mess and multiplied it.

btw, turn off the filter and you won't have to asterisk your swear words.

You know you're winning the argument when all the libs have left in their arsenal are insults. No real debate, just insults. So take a knee and let the clock run out while they run off at the mouth calling those of us who disagree with them every name in the book.

Backcountry - you're correct. Barack Obama voluntarily retired his law license - I was incorrect. But, it was his choice - not a result of any actions against him. And, he could still take tests and get a new license should he desire to do so. My mistake on the terminology. However, Michelle's IS on "inactive" status.

As to his status at UofC - he was offered the Professor status but turned it down. YOU need to do better homework. The University and his students dispute your comments. He could have been professor had he chosen and his classes were always full.

Morgs74 - again you show you are utterly crude, vulgar and classless. I have never posted crudely as you have. Oh, and as a woman I don't have the part you are referring to - my guy does. You truly are a sick, disgusting, perverted excuse for a person. However, it makes you the perfect Republican! Keep it up - you just prove my point over and over again!

SeekingSanity - You are as much of a woman as I am a Democrat. Sorry but even if you have the correct parts you show no poise, no tact and unfortunately no class. Guess you would be a perfect troll.

was incorrect. But, it was his choice - not a result of any actions against him. And, he could still take tests and get a new license should he desire to do so. My mistake on the terminology. However, Michelle's IS on "inactive" status.

Could have swore you just had a conniption fit about me doing this. Again, hypocrisy knows no bounds.

I guess all my points still stand. Good day.

Olivia - like Morgs74 you couldn't win a debate with a rock! Two of a kind I swear. Where DO they find all of you idiots?

No Morgs - you said he HAD to surrender his license. You've never made a valid point in your life. And as far as class goes, I don't have to worry about what you think. I'm very confident of who I am and I can walk circles around filth like you an day of the week.

HYPOCRISY - look in the mirror - you'll see the perfect photo to put next to the word. You truly are filth!

SeekingSanity

As to his status at UofC - he was offered the Professor status but turned it down. YOU need to do better homework

Take your own advice. The assertion that he was offered tenure is very much in dispute.

He could have been professor had he chosen and his classes were always full.

Show me your source for this info.

you said he HAD to surrender his license.

Show me. I had said lost.

Morgs74 - oh, and LOST is not the same thing as surrendered! One implies he was forced to give up his license the other is completely voluntary! Again, mental midget - you don't have a clue and totally classless!

Backcountry - check under University of Chicago. Plus, I live in the city and know many people who are tenured there as well as students. The University thinks he was offered Professor status - pretty sure they would know!

Geez... It's so busy on here today that Chaeser Gobustis (aka re-reg of "hyper-bully") and his slowhorts can hardly get a turd in edge-wise!!...

LMAO...looks like BOY BLUNDER still mad at the mere fact HE IS A REREG OF XABRE AKA RUKEN

lets see ive been accused of being a rereg of hyper bully, morgs74, spanky, mixed bag, safe cracker, and damage 123. You dumfuk libs are totally clueless per usual but always default to self aggrandizing behavior...

So whilst you attempt to 'defend' these dainty and helpless ladies, keep in mind that it would appear the likes of Houston, Seeking, Fisty are no further than Patrons of the Local Flying J truckstops. Fear not Blunder, soon Mighty Monkey should be here to complete SNAP ON the Tool Automaton.

Thanks for Liking my Avatar too ;o)

Damn Backcountry164 OWNS you libtards...OUCH...

SS,

He has no more of a grasp of government than Palin does of class. He is NOT qualified to step out of the operating room. But, hey, he's black and smart so of course he can run for President. Let them run him - just another joke the Republican party is trying to pull on the American people!

The fact that he's NOT a politician is a plus.

In his speech he cited the diverse background of the founders...they weren't all lawyers. Five doctors signed the Declaration of Independence.

If we can have a community organize why not a neurosurgeon for president? To quote the fine doctor "its not brain surgery"

At CPAC Dr. Carson talked about how he would destroy America if he were an enemy of the country.

1. Create division among the people.

2. Encourage a culture of ridicule for basic moral principles.

3. Undermine the nation’s financial stability with crushing government debt.

4. Weaken the morale and funding of the military.

“It appears, coincidentally, that those are the very things happening right now,” Carson noted ruefully, although he went on to say it would be a mistake to pin this entirely on Barack Obama, or any other individual.

SeekingSanity -

I live in the city

Enough said. You are a good little tool. Not the sharpest but a tool nonetheless.

The University thinks he was offered Professor status

They have nothing to gain by doing this.

So in the last hour every single thing you tried to say to prove me wrong has double backed to bite you in the ass. Keep opening your mouth...keep proving how smart you are.

@ Jody, Iowa

From the first shot to the window which allowed Adam Lanza to enter Sandy Hook Elementary to the final bullet he used on himself, it took five (5) minutes. He fired 151 rounds with his Bushmaster, and one bullet to kill himself with his pistol. In 5 short minutes, he shot out a window, climbed into the building and began mowing down anyone in his sight. In 5 minutes he slaughtered twenty 6 and 7 year old children, riddled their small bodies with bullets which dismembered some; and six administrators and teachers were slaughtered as they tried to stop him and tried to protect the children.

What kind of country are we that a minority which believes military weapons are part of the 2nd amendment rights and that minority rules the majority? Clearly, too many legislators in Congress tossed aside their moral compass in the name of protecting their precious jobs.

#1.26

The first part of your statement is just emotionally charged drivel. If you really want to understand the true tragedy of Nancy Lanza, maybe you should read some case studies of those trying to commit their adult children.

However the second part of you statement can easily be answered. WE are country now that only a minority of its citizens understand the True Meaning and intent of the Constitution. Perhaps if you took the time to read and understand the history behind the Constitution you would understand why the Framers put the limits on the Federal Government they did.

And just exactly how is this different than any other civil Right? Does not the Left argue that abortion is a Civil Right and must not be overturned by the Majority? Or how about the First Amendment Rights that cover "Speech and Expression" of artists who profane Christianity or other topics even though they are unpopular?

Morgs74 - actually NOTHING I've said has been proved wrong. You on the other hand have been proved to do nothing but lie. Keep it up fool! It's all you have!

And dummy, I certainly will never be bested by your ilk!

SeekingSanity

Backcountry - check under University of Chicago. Plus, I live in the city and know many people who are tenured there as well as students. The University thinks he was offered Professor status - pretty sure they would know!

So in other words hearsay is your "source". No offense but you'll need to provide something a tad more concrete if you expect me, or anyone else for that matter, to accept it as fact.

Caesar/Backcountry164/Morgs,

Excellent posts!

JK1963

Caesar/Backcountry164/Morgs,

Excellent posts!

but jackoff said the RWNJ's were recognizing i was an idiot...but how can Jackoff be wrong..after all he spends time 'analyzing' and using 'critical thinking' skillz to draw his conclusions. You mean JK that Perception isnt reality except in Unicorn liberal land...

YEAH LOL @ YOU LIBS

Caesar,

I find it funny that they criticize someone that is a doctor for not being qualified to be a president, yet, we voted a community organizer with no presidential qualifications to be president.

Wouldn't it be nice to see a man of courage -- like Pope Francis -- to leave his safe zones and stroll along the Palestinian border showing love and compassion to the people that love him so!!!!

Why do we have to send them money and weapons to keep us worried? It really would be cheaper to welcome them here.

Well hell, Walker, why give money to anybody? Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria......

Let's just invite 'em all to come here for a big old BBQ.

It would most assuredly be cheaper.

Oh Wait, how's that working out with the invite we gave to Mexico?

Was that cheaper?

@WCA -- It will be utterly hilarious to see how the left back peddles all over themselves now when it comes to Syria. The libs on here will have to really come up with some hypocritical creative thinking to the "We are not the policemen of the world" comments.

5 out of 5 Dictators approve of gun bans.

WORLDWIDE HISTORY OF GUN CONFISCATION

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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It will be utterly hilarious to see how the left back peddles all over themselves now when it comes to Syria.

We as a Nation cannot and should not get into the boots on the ground fight in Syria. It's funny that the folks that want US involvement in wars have no skin in the game, except the financial returns, such as Halliburton receives.

David, great post, a bit of history along with food for thought.

Rockyroad, Americans haven't been able to buy a machine gun for decades (the NRA lobbied to get them banned back when the NRA was a sports group with leaders who weren't in the back pockets of gun manufacturers), and no one was rounded up and shot because they didn't have a machine gun to defend themselves. Comparing the USA to Cambodia, China, the USSR, Uganda or any of the others you list is absolutely naive and ridiculous; it is as ignorant as comparing any US president, republican or democrat, to Hitler. Stop buying what the Gun makers are selling for their own business profits, you are their victims, err consumers.

Backhouse,

Think about what you wrote and then ask yourself if assault weapons were not available to anyone would the obviously malcontent mental case find another way to take large numbers of people? Yes because if you want to kill you will find a way be it by bomb or gasoline. The Muslim Terrorist killed over 3,000 Americans on 9/11 by using a box cutter to start it all. Timothy McVeigh killed hundreds by fashioning a bomb of diesel fuel and fertilizer. So why waste time zeroing in on something so senseless as a specific gun ban? Why does Harry Reid feel the need to "backdoor" legislation? Does he think he knows better than most people? We do not need these types of folks running the country. Anyway we should go to the root of the problem if you truly want to solve it. Making it easy to commit the insane would be a good start.

Larry, you're delusional, only assault weapons can kill the innocent. Get over it.

"On June 11, the day of his 42nd birthday, Seifert took a self-made flamethrower, lance and mace and entered the schoolyard. After blocking off the main gate with a wooden wedge, he proceeded to kill eight students and two teachers and injure twenty two others, mostly students. He smashed in the windows of the buildings and pointed his flamethrower in the classrooms, setting the classroom on fire, killing nine people. He was then confronted by a teacher, Ursula Kuhr, 24, whom he stabbed with the lance.

After he left the schoolyard, he swallowed a poisonous insecticide E605 in hopes of committing suicide before police could catch him. He was soon apprehended by police, but died in the hospital the next day from the poison."

So much for the ban on Lowe's "Pump Garden Sprayer, 2 gallon, $19.98" Yes, he did this with an ordinary garden sprayer fill with gasoline.

David--it has long been my theory that while the people who live in the Middle East may want peace, their so-called leaders do not. It suits their agenda more to be at constant war with the other side. And so they will never get peace until they decide they want it; there is nothing the U.S. can do about it.

Jody, not that you're totally full of yourself or anything, but citizens can still legally own a machinegun. All you need is an FBI background check back to your diaper days, fingerprints, photos, a secure place to lock it up, be willing for the ATF to walk into your house any time to inspect said weapon, a federal tax stamp, and a lot of cash. Father Reagan only banned the further importation or manufacturing of automatic weapons because, uh because.....well, because no crimes had ever been committed with a registered machinegun. The NRA sacrificed the machineguns for other provisions in the bill because they knew not that many people owned them and "sportsmen" could give a crap less as long as their weapons weren't touched. The NRA was a "sports group" until the relentless assault on gun rights prompted them to realize it was time to sh*t or get off the pot. They've always been a gun rights organization, it's just now they're more proactive. And while we're at it, the 4 million members of the NRA do not control everything...it's all the other people, like myself who aren't NRA members but are gun owners and vote with them. Sorry to take away your pet boogyman.

Really, Bennie boo?

Kind of like George Bush's promise that he was not into NATION BUILDING. How many young people have died because of the coward Bush?

bagdadjoe-1347766

Jody, not that you're totally full of yourself or anything, but citizens can still legally own a machinegun. All you need is an FBI background check back to your diaper days, fingerprints, photos, a secure place to lock it up, be willing for the ATF to walk into your house any time to inspect said weapon, a federal tax stamp, and a lot of cash.

Too bad the same conditions are not imposed on the ownership of other weapons of mass murder, like the semiautomatic rifles used in Newton Connecticut and Aurora Colorado.

David, I appreciated your post, but perhaps you need to study the Palestinian area more and how Israel came to be there. The British ruled Palestine and both the Socialist party, as well as the right had planned for the Jews to occupy that region a good 30 years or so before it became a state. an embarrassing part liberals prefer to forget as they like to forget their support for the Afghanistan and Iraq war.

Palestine: How Bad, & Good, Was British Rule?
By: Avishai Margalit
www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/feb/07/palestine-how-bad-and-good-was-british-rule/?pagination=false

"Richard Crossman’s attitude is important to note. Sympathy for Zionism on the left in Europe—and it is hard now to believe that it had ever existed—derived in great measure from the belief that the Jews in Palestine were realizing a socialist utopia. For many leftists, it was this idea that drew support for Zionism, perhaps more so than the return of the Jews to their homeland.
We tend to forget that the ferocious support of Israel by the extreme evangelical right in the United States today originated in the Christian Zionism of nineteenth-century Britain—a movement that envisaged the return of the Messiah to Palestine and still influenced British public opinion before and just after World War I. But there is one crucial difference between the American Christian Zionists and the British Christian Zionists, such as the Earl of Shaftesbury. Unlike their American successors, the British movement was reformist and in no way “culturally conservative.” It was consumed with the idea of the “ingathering” of the Jews in the Holy Land as a necessary redemptive step in the “Second Coming.”

At the beginning of the Mandate, Zionism was backed by Christian utopianism. At the end of the Mandate, Zionism was backed by socialist utopianism. Indeed, Christian Zionism was the ideological underpinning of the British Mandate. When the Mandate was established, it was prefigured by the pro-Zionist Balfour Declaration of 1917, whose preamble stated: “His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.” The “restoration” of the Jews to the Holy Land was advocated very strongly by the Scots, the Welsh, and the Irish in the war cabinet of Britain, all of whom were sympathetic to Christian Zionism. And so it was with the first generation of the colonial officials in Palestine, who cherished the vicarious biblical nostalgia of the return of the Jews to Zion."

Palestine: What the Mandate Said
Yisrael Medad, reply by Avishai Margalit

www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/mar/07/palestine-what-mandate-said/

Jody, Iowa

... when the NRA was a sports group with leaders who weren't in the back pockets of gun manufacturers,

This myth has been debunked by the Violence Policy Center. According to a report they did, between 2005 and 2011 the NRA received between 15-40 million from gun manufacturers- http://www.vpc.org/press/1104blood.htm

What they "neglect" to mention in their report is that the NRA annual budget is in the 300 million range. which means over a 6 year period the NRA received , at most, enough money from gun manufacturers to cover their budget for 8 days. Not even politicians sell out that cheap.

@ Newday

That nation building in North Africa is working out tremendously, don't ya think?

We should have a poll from 1st. Read that asks "How many people before 2012 even knew what Mali was"? Answer= 5 out of 1000 surveyed(sarcasm intended)

Pretty much same policies in the middle east. Just a different president

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED

Kind of like George Bush's promise that he was not into NATION BUILDING. How many young people have died because of the coward Bush?

You realize that your attempt to change the subject totally confirms his comment right?.

So you agree backcountry, that Cheney and Bush should be put on trial for war crimes?

cit liberty

The British ruled Palestine and both the Socialist party, as well as the right had planned for the Jews to occupy that region a good 30 years or so before it became a state. an embarrassing part liberals prefer to forget as they like to forget their support for the Afghanistan and Iraq war.

Why do you say that liberals prefer to forget those things? People may not know much about who did what in the 1920's about the creation of Israel. But most people who supported the war in Afghanistan never believed it was wrong, only that Bush bungled it badly, just as he bungled the other war he started in Iraq that most liberals were bitterly opposed to. Hillary Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama because she supported the Iraq war. Liberals who did support the war did so only because they believed Bush's lies about Saddam Hussein's connection to Al Qaeda and WMDs.

Many here claim that no weapons ban will keep the weapons out of the hands of criminals.

If that is true, then what is the harm in trying? If criminals will acquire weapons anyway, why not at least restrict their choices? Can't you see that an increasingly smaller overall cache of weapons in society will increasingly dry up supply to criminals? Can't you see that registration will eventually expose those weapons and owners that are NOT registered?

The more guns that are out there, the more choices criminals will have and the more innocent people will be killed by guns.

If any of us are serious about stopping crimes committed with guns, we have to start by limiting the supply of guns. That's not denying legal ownership of guns, that's common sense. If you gun owners cannot compromise that little bit, you will remain part of the problem.

If that is true, then what is the harm in trying? If criminals will acquire weapons anyway, why not at least restrict their choices?

Because you restrict 99.9% of the rest of the country from enjoying their freedom. Can't you see what happens historically to countries who first register their gun owners?

I am serious about stopping crime, period not just one method. This method isn't even preferred. Go after a gun that makes sense if you want to gun grab. Use some common sense.

FYI about the shooting in MN. 12 year old is under arrest for making the false calls.

fielden, you are spot on, most gun deaths are caused by a gun in the wrong hands. From suicide to murder it is still a gun death and yes other object could be used. What those who are gun nuts fail to see is we have never put a restriction on guns and gun violence has grown. What would it hurt to take the guns out of the hands of those that shouldn't own a gun like disgustus. Too unstable and too stupid to comb his own hair. Let alone operate a semi machine gun.

Morgs you need a tin foil hat to keep your brain in place, what happened in "other" countries was a reduction in gun violence. Registration of ever gun in America would be a start, so they could be tracked. I am a gun owner and am not afraid of the government in any way shape or form taking my guns away. But of course I am capable of only shooting 3 times not the 100 that gun nuts want that serves only one purpose, to kill as many people as possible in as short of a time as possible.

What those who are gun nuts fail to see is we have never put a restriction on guns and gun violence has grown

Damn it man....now you are just flat out lying. The Reagan years had the weapon ban and there was absolutely no evidence of this having any effect on crime. I totally reject the money that was wasted on this project in hindsight. Now I totally reject the money that would be wasted on a duplicate law that has been proven in the past to be worthless.

Jody from Iowa: You are telling fibs about the NFA law back in the 1930s. The NRA wasn't the group that fought for the ban. They fought against the ban. The NRA has always been a group for safety handling, training and ownership of firearms since their inception.

Today the firearms industry mostly donates to the NRA just as I do as a Life Member. They have some programs like Ruger does that will donate a dollar for every firearm sold. Since that beginning, Ruger has donated over a Million dollars. That means that Ruger has sold over 1 Million firearms in the past few years.

This President and his Administration is the single most reason for the Million firearms being sold. People are scared of the Secular Progressives and will use their 2nd Amendment rights to protect themselves.

You can still own a full auto machine gun. You can buy an M-16 for about $16,000. A full auto AK-47 is about $13,000. An M-60 machine gun is about $50,000 - 60,000. An UZi is about $12,000 to 20 depending on style. You just need to go through a back ground check after being figerprinted and signed off by your LEO such as a County Sheriff, Police Chief or even a Federal Judge and by sending in a $200.00 fee per firearm. The reason they are so high in cost today is in 1994 the Democrats passed a law to ban the further growth of the full auto industry.

The limit on the amounts of full autos available today is the reason they are so expensive. But they still can be had if you so desire one. The same goes for Short barrelled rifles and shotguns along with Suppressors.

what happened in "other" countries was a reduction in gun violence.

Please refer to #2.4 for your history lesson.

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED

So you agree backcountry, that Cheney and Bush should be put on trial for war crimes?

War crimes?? No, Im not a blind party hack who supports moronic ideas like a puppet. But I do believe they are every bit as much the war-mongers and nation-builders that our current President pretends not to be.

Johntho

What those who are gun nuts fail to see is we have never put a restriction on guns and gun violence has grown.

Gun violence is HALF what it was just 20 years ago and the trend continues downward. But please don't let any FACTS prevent you from spewing BS like a good little lemming.

"never put a restriction on guns" LOL! And you're calling OTHER people stupid!

there were maps that showed a place called Palestine. My own Bible had such a map

There has never been a nation called Palestine, ergo...

But, that's not saying the parties involved can't work something out.

Who knows, something positive may come out of this. Here's hoping Obama gets a win.

more librul censorship...1st post deleted..

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Hello gun lobby and supporters: You will Eventually lose. It's just a matter of time. You might as well plan on self-seceding if you have a problem with it.

It's simply a matter of more of us than there are of you. (oh yeah, and because it's the right thing to do!)

Good thing we are a Republic, and mob rule doesn't always work here. Have you written your congressman to have the 2nd amendment repealed?

@ Haggisbingo, 2.32

It's simply a matter of more of us than there are of you.

Much like folks against Obamacare.

Oh, and hey, Forbes reporting that companies aren't hiring DUE TO OBAMACARE

www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2013/03/18/the-more-businesses-learn-about-obamacare-the-more-reluctant-they-are-to-hire/

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Yeah, that's it...it was the "eeeeevil libruls"...

Yah know Cacafuego, somewhere out there there is a tree, tirelessly producing oxygen so you can breathe...

...I think you owe it an apology.

LOL, must have been too much hate on the other threat. Typical. Happens when the FR Gang has nothing to debate with in their arsenal and start to look like a bunch of doofuses. They have to save face somehow.

haggisbingo-2225582 - Great logic but I disagree. I will live my entire life without seeing this come to fruition. Your own party is against you. You might want to start there.

Maybe Obey-me ordered NBC to take down the other thread, lol!

Okay, why was "Backhouse's" post deleted????? The little far righties probably couldn't take the truth! LOL!

SeekingSanity

Okay, why was "Backhouse's" post deleted????? The little far righties probably couldn't take the truth! LOL!

Could be people reporting some of the statements there as inflammatory.

Repo, i cant prove it but i would suspect the treehouse gang. This has been a proven Modus Operandi

Happens when the FR Gang has nothing to debate with in their arsenal and start to look like a bunch of doofuses. They have to save face somehow.

Backcountry had the Shoots and Ladders players in Check...that is how you play chess despite what little Mickey claims

Simple Theory:

Who wrote about a nation called Palestine? Ergo....what?

Feisty - it's always the way, isn't it? When the little righties are getting their heads handed to them, they balk! LOL So typical!

I thought that the only power users had was to get posts collapsed. Doesn't a moderator have to actually delete a comment? Maybe I'm remembering this wrong or maybe they have changed this. Anyone?

Collapsing, deleting is for cowards. I prefer to let the world see what the left really has to offer us.

Professor Obama...lol.

fatchicks.org....lol.

SS,

Are you sure it wasn't you? I mean you were the one getting hammered.

Lets face it, the right has no pull here.

Doesn't a moderator have to actually delete a comment

Grimey,

What moderators?

This place is a @!$%#ing free for all!

These days supposedly grown men are repeatedly calling women @!$%#s & rotten-crotches, while the moderators remain MIA!

It's enter at your own risk anymore around here...

Ron Indiana (Jun
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spanky, and others who annoyed me. It was fun.

Feisty
Redhead Roselle, IL (Jun 17, 11:46 AM): Spanky's shown up and took a jab at Nash - I am sick & tired
of him and from here on out will flag evrything he posts as NO VALUE!

here are some examples..

Feisty...LOL...good point. But am I mistaken? I used to think posts would get collapsed, but rarely flat out deleted.

[i cant prove it but i would suspect the treehouse gang.]

Of course you can't, but it all makes sense in your simple little mind. You and your merry band of useful idiots keep focusing on those "conspiracy theories"...

As the saying goes: Sin rectalis perforati, quam volarem locum istum sic esset aeroportus.

Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA

Feisty...LOL...good point. But am I mistaken? I used to think posts would get collapsed, but rarely flat out deleted.

Who knows, maybe when the new Newsvine launched they set a tolerance in. Get enough reports and it will get deleted.

I know previously posts got deleted and restored in the past.

I used to think posts would get collapsed, but rarely flat out deleted.

The trolls have figured out how to game the system!

If you want to know how, hit me up on the flip-side, I'm not going to give them any more ammo! ;o)

These days supposedly grown men are repeatedly calling women @!$%#s & rotten-crotches, while the moderators remain MIA!

what women? the ones that post this

Get back to us, when you manage to find your balls... little man...

or this

Leave the pussy-boy on ignore, you can follow the gist of his bull@!$%# by what others copy & paste in their responses... save the brain cells! ;o)"

how bout this?

Now back on our knees... BOY!

here's a good classic Feisty

And another Dumb@!$%#, can not comprehend the election results!

By all means little buddy, get down on your knees and give the delusional shady one a break!

now what about mirrors did you say earlier?

SOrry Feisty, you made this 'house', now live in it

Haggisbingo..

Hello gun lobby and supporters: You will Eventually lose. It's just a matter of time. You might as well plan on self-seceding if you have a problem with it.
It's simply a matter of more of us than there are of you. (oh yeah, and because it's the right thing to do!)

Its a good thing there are more of you as we are much better armed and willing. We will not go quietly into that good night.

Poor cowardly little man.

THis is from Mickey, the tough guy LOL..Wait didnt I say I would meet up with you if you came out to burning man? wasnt it you that said no...hmmm...i think merriam's definition of coward vastly differs from yours..carry on

[Poor cowardly little man.]

Yes I called you that, but only after I called you a pussy. I also called you a toad, liar, bigot, @!$%#stick, candy ass...well, no need to go on, you get the point.

I stand by my statements.

Oh, and I called you an asshat...I forgot about asshat. But do continue to use up precious oxygen trying to prove your pointless point.

It's fun watching you squirm.

Now THERE is an example of "inflammatory" .... oops ! He is from libbie land, that explains a lot !!

Maybe someone can send him a tube of Preparation H ... to spread "LIBERALLY" all over his body !

This place is a @!$%#ing free for all!

You are an excellent example of the foul-mouthed, multiple CoH violators here Feisty.

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But, you're a liberal so the NBC moderators are going to support you no matter what filth comes from you.

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Now THERE is an example of "inflammatory" .... oops ! He is from NY, that explains a lot !!

Jim, I totally get under his skin...I sit back and smile :o) . Unfortunately for NY, he thinks he's above and beyond and too bad he doesnt realize its just an optical illusion...Too bad Mixed Bag is indeed gone.. The one time Mixed decided to finally address MOUSE as he called him, it shut Mickey permanently...Good times.. But we all Know Mickey is Wicked Smaht

You are an excellent example of the foul-mouthed, multiple CoH violators here Feisty.

Come on Steve...Glass Houses and all

thetotas - you wish! I wasn't getting hammered but your little Morgs was being shown to be the liar he/she/it is so my guess is all the little righties had the post collapsed.

Morgs - yes, dummy, professor - I realize that is beyond your comprehension since oooooh about 8th grade is as far as you got. Care to post more of your lies? We'll wipe the floor with you again- go ahead.

Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004)

-Wiki

I don't see professor as part of his credentials. What else would you like debunked?

Morgs, - had you had someone with even a modicum of intelligence read my reply earlier you would know Obama was referred to as Professor by his students. He was offered the post of Professor but turned it down, knowing he would not be continuing his teaching after he became state senator. However, UofC officials report offering him a professorship! Try again - you can't debunk anything however you always manage to have your lies debunked!

"Lost" his attorney's license? YOU ARE A TOTAL FOOL!

His formal title was "senior lecturer," but the University of Chicago Law School says he
"served as a professor" and was "regarded as" a professor.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/obama-a-constitutional-law-professor/

SS,

You crack me up.

Poor gun haters, all wound up.

Guess what?

Guns helped found this nation. The Revolutionary War started when the British tried to confiscate arms.

Guns are embedded into our society.

Guns cannot be legislated away.

Neither can morality.

So, start accepting the reality:

"If guns are outlawed, then the outlaws will be the ones with the guns".

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That is FACT.

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thetotas - unfortunately I don't even find you slightly amusing - just a typical Republican who knows nothing but loves to spout off!

Thus sayeth the "Supreme Flamethrower" known as SS ....... LOL ! What a hypocrite !!

Seeking, the current list is long of people that don't have a clue, I see somebody saying gun crimes have gone down. I don't believe this to be true. They certainly didn't offer a link to prove their ignorance and in fairness neither did I. But I open the paper any day of the week I read about this person or that person being shot. I can only assume these people are making stuff up. But be damned if I will do the homework for the these size two tin foil haters. Better know as the mad hatters.

Caesar Augustus,

Bravo, Feisty likes to ramp up the name calling, but when she gets called out on it, she goes silent. There are others like her as well, claiming to occupy the moral high ground and then letting the name calling fly when they think nobody is watching. Funny stuff indeed.

Johntho - They aren't capable of facts - just idiotcy - it's lll they have!

Well, for a certainty, Israel is smaller than New Jersey. Hard to believe a little place like that could keep the world at the brink of war, isn't it?

There's only about eight-million people living there, and three-quarters of them are Jews.

I think that means there are more jews in Jersey than there are in Israel, lol.

[The one time Mixed decided to finally address MOUSE as he called him, it shut Mickey permanently...]

Uh no, but leave it up to a mental migit like yourself to try and rewrite history.

"Mixed Bag", as I recall, hasn't been seen since October 2011, shortly after I truly embarassed him. He called me some names, thought he "owned me", then disappeared into the night.

So, when you speak to Mr. Bags, let him know I'm still here, and you are just another multi-reggie loser.

Colorado Gov., puts the Screws to the NRA with background checks and ten round Clips, the way to go Colorado, America is Proud of you, Next !!!

Mickey - I find it very telling that the right wingers claim to "own" people - often. Clearly they are living in the past - very strange.

Morgs74

If that is true, then what is the harm in trying? If criminals will acquire weapons anyway, why not at least restrict their choices?

Because you restrict 99.9% of the rest of the country from enjoying their freedom. Can't you see what happens historically to countries who first register their gun owners?

Newsflash: since when is "restricting" someone's freedom when you are trying to take guns off the street in order to SAVE people's lives?? I'm pretty sure that the right to LIFE overpowers the right to bear arms, even though the two often connect. And if you're trying to allude universal gun registration to Hitler's Nazi Germany, I think you're making a massive historical miscalculation. Hitler was elected via "democratic" means and only began his authoritarian campaign after becoming Chancellor. In addition, he expanded gun rights, which were restricted under the Treaty of Versailles; he only restricted rights for discriminated groups like Jews, who wouldn't have resisted the Holocaust in its earliest phases because they thought it was just another pogrom that they would have to endure and get over.

I am serious about stopping crime, period not just one method. This method isn't even preferred. Go after a gun that makes sense if you want to gun grab. Use some common sense.

Really? Gun control is probably the most effective method of combating gun violence in the short and long run; education and rehabilitation/mental health reform are good at prevention. We cannot simply prevent gun violence nor can we simply fight it with gun control; we have to do both. But you cannot take any option off the table. That is what's wrong with Republicans nowadays; they bitch and whine and push issues on to the table like deficit reduction and then when we actually decide to focus on deficit reduction they take tax increases and major defense spending off the table and then target social programs. You cannot have a prosperous economy without investing in innovation and education, nor can you continue to spend 21% of GDP and tax 18.5% of GDP when you have the Baby Boomer generation retiring; you need to simultaneously make critical R&D investments while increasing revenues and stabilizing the costs of social programs and healthcare as a whole as a share of GDP (yes, that means tax increases).

Mickey - I find it very telling that the right wingers claim to "own" people - often

Seeking,

These @!$%#s are yearning for the good old days...

Chaps their asses they can't OWN anyone anymore! ;o)

[I find it very telling that the right wingers claim to "own" people - often. Clearly they are living in the past...]

I know, right? Especially Cacafuego...seems he needs to fulfill some deep seated desire to "feel loved". I take it he doesn't live up to daddy's high standards, so he struts around, wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.

He claims to have even "joined" the military at some point or another in his short life. Gotta complete that patriot résumé to be able to claim your a "constitutional scholar", and did you see him frothing at the mouth on the gun thread? Holy crap! I bet he pissed himself over that.

Jeebus, if he's this worked up over what he sees as a "defeat", wait 'till that little puppy gets slipped in as an amendment to a bill the conservatives oh so desperately want. Then just sit back with a bowl of popcorn and watch the fake libertarian meltdown.

Hell, he'll hand himself his OWN ass...

Mickey - I find it very telling that the right wingers claim to "own" people - often. Clearly they are living in the past - very strange.

what is it telling you? you live in a state perpetual denial? However Mickey is the kinda guy to stick his finger up his ass and realizes he likes it..then turn around and call someone a Fag..what a moron...

fielden

Many here claim that no weapons ban will keep the weapons out of the hands of criminals.

If that is true, then what is the harm in trying?

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because we live in a country that theoretically doesn't restrict personal rights absent just cause...

and by banning all weapons or a subset, we restrict rights, so the people who want that restriction have the burden of proving it's benefit

we've tried this, and per DOJ and other studies, there is no apparent benefit, as was evidenced by the lack of statistical significance of the last ban and the dramatic drop in gun violence since the that ban expired and millions of AR-15s with 30 round magazines were sold.

think about that.... the number of AR-15s in circulation since the ban expired in 2004 is up exponentially, probably 1000%, yet their usage in gun crime is flat at under 2%....

this is a classic example of a kneejerk response to a terrible situation: this idiot at Sandy Hook fired about once every 7 seconds.... easily doable with 10 round magazines, or even a shotgun for that matter... but because he used an AR, and it looks scary, and the President points his finger at it: that weapon must have enabled it.... and if we ban it and large magazines a HUGE drop in gun crime must happen, right?

wrong... if we ban them, criminals will just use other weapons like they did during the last ban.

@ Jody, Iowa

David, great post, a bit of history along with food for thought.

Rockyroad, Americans haven't been able to buy a machine gun for decades (the NRA lobbied to get them banned back when the NRA was a sports group with leaders who weren't in the back pockets of gun manufacturers), and no one was rounded up and shot because they didn't have a machine gun to defend themselves. Comparing the USA to Cambodia, China, the USSR, Uganda or any of the others you list is absolutely naive and ridiculous; it is as ignorant as comparing any US president, republican or democrat, to Hitler. Stop buying what the Gun makers are selling for their own business profits, you are their victims, err consumers.

#2.6

Maybe someone else has already corrected you, I haven't had time to read all the posts.

But the FCA of 1934 only banned the manufacture of automatic weapons for sale to civilians, those that were already in circulation were grandfathered in, and it is legal to purchase a new automatic weapon if you are associated with law enforcement, i.e. a sheriff deputy. It is still legal, although extremely expensive, for a civilian to purchase an automatic weapon. One need only pass a NICS check, register the transfer with the ATF and pay the $200 transfer fee. Of course a few states have laws prohibiting the possession of automatic weapons, but in most states it is legal.

And my guess is, had the NRA leadership of the time knew what was in store, I doubt they would have lobbied for the ban, it was a different time. And I would like to see your source on this issue, I have not found any evidence that the NRA lobbies for the FCA.

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Notice how only liberal comments get deleted by the roving pack of collapse cowards? Weird....

I notice how you never see anything you don't want to see and I don't think there is anything weird about it. Just pathetic. Seriously you should check those blinders, they may be cutting off the circulation to your head.

@ Steeler Fan-380417

David--it has long been my theory that while the people who live in the Middle East may want peace, their so-called leaders do not. It suits their agenda more to be at constant war with the other side. And so they will never get peace until they decide they want it; there is nothing the U.S. can do about it.

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My cousin (Col. in the Marine Corp, at least 6 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan) explained it this way. Each 'tribe' i.e. village, town, county etc is run by a patriarch, not unlike the Mob, and just as corrupt, at least by our standards. (I kinda think this is where the Mafioso Structure came from) And it is in a constant state of a power struggle. So, yeah, that fits your "the leaders don't want peace", they want power.

But you are wrong about one thing, the US (or at least I could, if I was in charge) can stop this crap in less than a year. The only problem is it would upset the poor screaming, indolent limp-wristed liberal progressives and they would go into apoplectic fits. Not that I really care. I would rather save the lives of worthwhile people (namely US Citizens) than worry about what a bunch of dope smoking liberals think.

@ Backcountry164

@ Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL Comment collapsed by the community

Notice how only liberal comments get deleted by the roving pack of collapse cowards? Weird....

I notice how you never see anything you don't want to see and I don't think there is anything weird about it. Just pathetic. Seriously you should check those blinders, they may be cutting off the circulation to your head.

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And I notice Backhouse was DELETED, what did Backhouse say that was so offensive, I thought the first Amendment was supposed to protect offensive speech and expression? I guess it doesn't apply to MSNBC.

{And Technically, it does not, the US Constitution only applies the US Government, and not to the Citizens. Only the Governments are restricted from limiting Rights, such as free speech. We citizens are actually free to discriminate in any fashion we please.}

I had a couple good comments in that section. Why am I punished too?

It is still legal, although extremely expensive, for a civilian to purchase an automatic weapon. One need only pass a NICS check, register the transfer with the ATF and pay the $200 transfer fee.

So you acknowledge that reasonable regulation of gun ownership is an acceptable concept under the constitution with many decades of established history. Thanks for your honesty on that.

IR: The sequester is kind of like that "death by a thousand cuts" thing. Cut the White House tours and Easter Egg Hunt and there's screaming, but not from most of us. Cut this, cut that, cut here, cut there, and soon enough, they're gonna cut you. Just about everyone is going to be screaming.

I'd say this is a good time to put into place the REAL Paul Ryan plan. Marry someone with lots of money. Be like Paul, never work at all.

The sequester has a personal meaning for me. I work at a company that supplies night vision goggles, thermal and infrared beacons, and other electro-optic systems to the US and foreign militaries.

We have several orders that have been delayed or canceled due to the uncertainty of the US Military funding. We are not some major defense contractor, who designs and build massive weapons systems worth billions of dollars. We are a relatively small, privately-owned business that unfortunately had to lay off a third of our workforce until the "pipeline" opens up.

My brother and his family live in Virginia, and they are being directly impacted by the sequester. My sister-in-law is facing one day of without pay every week, a 20% reduction in her pay. My brother is a newly-retired AF veteran who works for a defense contractor, so he is concerned about losing his job.

The sad thing is they are both staunch Republicans who are now facing financial hardship because their party refuses to compromise.

Yes but the administration is cutting to hurt the American people. Teach them a lesson. What a POS president we have.

Ben,

Yes but the administration is cutting to hurt the American people. Teach them a lesson.

What an utterly stupid comment.

These ReThugLiCon eggheads will pay a price for the sequester ... starting Nov. 2014. Usually the party other than the president's will win in the 6th year of a President (remember 2006?). But the last time the GOP lost in 1998 because of Clinton impeachment that public opinion didn't support.

People will really feel the pain of the sequester in 2014, sending more GOP congressmen packing, then electing Hillary in 2016. The GOP has committed a big blunder with this sequester.

Ben Please act you age and not your party. You are better than this!!!

Pigotry,

How soon we forget that Obama called for the seqester!!!

PIGOTRY is nothing more than a liberal moron.

mayo,

(Aug 01, 2011) President Obama signed the bill (Budget Control Act of 2011) shortly after it was passed by the Senate. In doing so, the president said, "Is this the deal I would have preferred? No. But this compromise does make a serious down payment on the deficit reduction we need, and gives each party a strong incentive to get a balanced plan done before the end of the year."

This is what the President said after signing the Budget Control Act which included the “sequester” agreement.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60344.html

IR, well said. The beltway media better get its ducks in a row quickly. Their ridiculously shallow focus on WH tours, or Easter egg hunts, without so much as a blip of concern that because of sequester cuts, hungry children will be even hungrier. Seems the Beltway media needs to get out of its own bubble.

GOP South Dakota Senator John Thune is upset about cuts to National Parks; a Rep named Hanna(?) from upstate New York is upset about cuts to an airport; Toomey is upset because of cuts to an Army Depot in his state. Which brings to mind a simple question: Did the GOPTP Yahoos simply not understand that sequester cuts weren't just a talking point, they were real cuts affecting every district and state in the country? It seems the GOPers speak in unison with their talking point, "government has a spending problem" without the brain cells to recognize the reality of cutting too much spending too quickly. Yahoos is too nice a term for them.

Jack, Obama openly admitted and there is evidence to prove that he said "Make the cuts hurt as much as possible". He did that for political reasons. He wanted the people to feel the cuts so we would think we need to spend more. The cuts could have been easily made so no one would have even noticed them. Instead, Obama wants the people to suffer because Obama signed that sequester. Obama wants to lay the blame elsewhere.

In case you haven't noticed, the Obama administration often brings up controversial proposals. They know these proposals will be met with an objection from the people, and republicans. Lots of feel good stuff goes down this way. The Administration doesn't want the things to turn into law, they just want the Republicans to oppose them so the Administration can say "We tried, but the Republicans are obstructing". All is well. The Democrats didn't have to support something they know they will suffer for on election day, and the people who support Obama have more fuel for their fires of hatred.

Pig, it was a Democrat written, passed and signed bill. How is it Republicans fault? Because they didn't bow down to Obama and vote to cancel the thing? You libs are amazingly stupid. People know who did it and it wasn't Republicans. You are counting on everyone voting in 2014 to be as stupid as you are.

citizen,

there is evidence to prove that he said "Make the cuts hurt as much as possible".

Evidence, huh? If you have the evidence, then supply the source where Obama was quoted saying this.

And I'm sorry, but Hannity or O'Reilly or Beck or whatever noodle-brain you listen to don't count as sources.

Jody, are you really that much of a fool to believe that the government can't operate with a 1.5% increase in the budget vs. a 3%. How pitiful you liberals are, no wonder this country is going down the drain.

joe,

Rep. Hal Rogers (R-KY) chairman of the House Appropriations Committee thinks Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) budget goes too far but will vote for it anyhow.

“It’s not exactly to my liking. There are a lot of things that I’m not happy with, including the overall big number,” he said. “It cuts too much spending, frankly, from the discretionary side of the budget. Most people don’t realize that we only appropriate 1/3 of federal spending … and we’ve cut that by $100 billion over the last two years.”

http://mycn2.com/politics/congressman-hal-rogers-says-paul-ryan-s-budget-cuts-too-much-but-would-vote-for-it

The $85 Billion in cuts is 2.4% of the entire budget however since the cuts only apply to 36% of the budget (Defense & Discretionary) the $85 Billion becomes a 6.6% cut to those areas. In addition, just like any company there are fixed costs that cannot be cut. The focus will then be on the labor portion of the budget that will result in layoffs, furloughs and reduced services.

The end result will feel like about an 11% cut.

Sequester is NOT like a Government shutdown.

The sequester does NOT allow funds to be moved around.

Do not think that unessential operations can be shut down or cut back to fund essential operations according to the wording in the Budget Control Act of 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget

Keep spinning it so it makes sense to you.

citizen . . .

Obama openly admitted and there is evidence to prove that he said "Make the cuts hurt as much as possible". He did that for political reasons

Really? As Jack noted above . . .source? Of course when viewing your NV account, and all of your comments on posts, you just like to fly by and drop little bombs now and then. How much do they pay you for that?

Dennis -

Good post. I always appreciate it when you take the time to present the facts, even if it usually falls on deaf ears.

citizen xx -

Your facts are questionable.

FACT - The purpose of the sequester was to force the bi-partisan Congressional commission to come to an agreement on deficit reduction.

FACT - Republicans on the committee refused to consider ANY revenue increases even thought the Democrats were willing to discuss entitlemment reform.

Although both parties bear some responsibility, the Republican party has a larger share due to their continued refusal to compromise.

TNSEVOL, You lose ALL credibility as soon as you begin attempting to print your unsubstantiated "OPINIONS" as "FACT" ! You are just another self-proclaimed "Progressive" who has this asinine belief that you are smarter than the rest of the world ! You are not !!

You attack others posting of "facts" as "questionable" then try to throw your half-baked opinion out there and refer to it as "fact". Until you can PROVE your statement, you are no better than the Sham-Wow salesman.

TNSEVOL: I was totally with you on post 3.2 until your last sentence. My husband finds out today where his crew voted to take their 22 days off - 4 day weekends? 3 day weekends? week off at a time? all without pay. it's going to add up to a 20% cut in pay for my family, making sure that we can't replace our dying car this year, that we won't be able to fix our house's siding, replace the dead dishwasher etc.

Thanks, Mr. Obama, for encouraging this sequestration bullcrap, it sure is making a difference... in the wrong direction!

@ Layton

Probably the same amount that Feisty & Seeking Sanity get. lol

TNSEVOL, You lose ALL credibility as soon as you begin attempting to print your unsubstantiated "OPINIONS" as "FACT" !

JIM! You're one to TALK! You NEVER had any CREDIBILITY to begin WITH! And that's not an UNSUBSTANTIATED opinion! It's a FACT!

Jack - Your post had me laughing! Jim is always YELLING about nothing!

The GOPTP can whine about the "Obamaquester" all they want but the information IR posted clearly shows how this is going to go down...same as every other time Republicans have played chicken with the economy or the budget.

John B, Des Moines, IA

The GOPTP can whine about the "Obamaquester" all they want but the information IR posted clearly shows how this is going to go down...same as every other time Republicans have played chicken with the economy or the budget.

Exactly, the same as every other time. The puppets on the left will blame the puppets on the right and vice versa. Meanwhile the puppet-masters sit back and laugh at the ignorance of the sheep who vote for them.

dcia,

Jim is always YELLING about nothing!

I know, isn't it funny? Can you imagine trying to have a conversation with him over a cup of coffee? (Not that you'd really want to . . . .) It would be like standing in front of a fan, your hair flying back, eyes darting around for the nearest exit, giving everyone sitting nearby a He's-Not-With-Me look.

Oh, cutesy little Jack Pottymouth has had his head explode for the day ! Of course, he has NOTHING to offer about the article ... no pinion and certainly no "FACTS" .... but that does not stop the diarrhea like outpouring anyway ! LOL !!

You libs run around in circles, yanking on each other's anatomy, desperately trying to see who can outdo each other with the nastiest little comment !

But then again, you quickly prove my point ..... after babbling your usual nonsense, you rapidly declare it as "FACT" !!!! Maybe you and "Dont carry it all " can get together for some "self gratification".

Maybe, you dipsticks can explain to me .... hell, explain to us all, how a normal post with "no bolding" and normal capitalization is considered "YELLING". This should be quite entertaining coming from extremist liberals who are totally intolerant of other's opinions while SCREAMING their opinions to be FACT !!!

Jim,

I agree...people often confuse their "facts" as just mere opinions. It would be nice to admit from the left that they had no real intention of any entitlement reform. Just like they said they would at the beginning of the year and yet we seen nothing. Now we Obama still in scare mode with no White House tours which he said he didn't control but the Secret Service does, but then changed his story, to now, no Easter Egg hunt.

Liberals always seem to magically "elevate" their opinions to the status of "facts", then have a hissy fit over an expression of opinion from a conservative. If it was not so self-serving, it would be boring.

What is really funny about this article is the vacuum of negativity regarding this change ... perhaps because it came from Harry Reid ! It must scorch liberal minds they are unable to blame this on Bush !

Dennis:

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

mayo,

(Aug 01, 2011) President Obama signed the bill (Budget Control Act of 2011) shortly after it was passed by the Senate. In doing so, the president said, "Is this the deal I would have preferred? No. But this compromise does make a serious down payment on the deficit reduction we need, and gives each party a strong incentive to get a balanced plan done before the end of the year."

This is what the President said after signing the Budget Control Act which included the “sequester” agreement.

As I recall, he also said he would have the most transparent administration in history, said he would cut the deficit in half, said he would have Obamacare debates on Cspan, and many other things. It was just another statement for effect, nothing else.

Thanks for admitting that Dennis was right through your refusal to dispute his facts, KC...that's more honesty than you normally exhibit.

Rand Paul was also guilty, just as was Reagan, of stereotyping both political parties. He implies that only republicans believe in fiscal responsibility, family, God, and are pro-life. He is as off base on that stereotype as he is in his stereotyping of the Latino community.

Let's see, Mark Sanford, the father of four sons, who left their mother to pursue an extra marital affair with another woman, recently won the Republican primary in SC.

That's what gets me about Republicans claiming to be a better choice for "values" voters. That holier-than-thou tripe really gets under my skin. Values voters ought not to be offended just by politicians' sexual misbehavior, but by their policy decisions on whether to cover everyone with health insurance, and to provide food to low income families. I mean, seriously, does anyone really think Jesus would vote Republican? (Not that Jesus would vote, I think He prefers to stay out of politics : )

Hi Jody and Amy,

All so true!

Senator Rand Paul is not ready for prime time except in his own mind.

As a full blooded libertarian, his logic ends up with a ridiculous conclusion that the Civil Rights laws should never of happened. His world view is scary.

He certainly wouldn't have voted for John Edwards either, or a plethora of other skanky politicians through the years. To make it a D or R issue is short-sighted and biased Amy.

Rand Paul does nothing to alter the conclusion that right-wingers depend on labels to define the world. Their choice of Mark Sanford does nothing to diminish the notion that right-wingers simply love a good story of redemption and self-forgiveness.

Amy: ...does anyone really think Jesus would vote Republican?

Look at holy week and ask yourself; Who turned Jesus over to the Romans?

Ah, and here comes the progressive train attacking Rand Paul. The man is a champion of civil liberties. Libertarianism is a philosophy championing civil liberties. Believing an individual private business owner has the right to choose who they do or do not do business with is an example of believing in civil liberties. The message of libertarianism is that big, unaccountable government can't solve our problems. We have to take it upon ourselves to solve our own problems. It is a true message.

Jody, Iowa you make good arguments, I also see that if your against gay marriage that your some sort of Bigot or homophobes. Its just that people feel compelled to have a believe of a mom and dad raising families, its pretty basic and natural.

Progressives do not seem to recognize that in life there is always tension between standards and compassion. Standards, by definition, cannot allow for compassion for every individual. If society were to show compassion to every individual, it would have no standards. Speeding laws are not waived for the unfortunate soul who has to catch an important flight. Orchestral standards are not waived for the musician who has devoted his or her life to studying an instrument, is a wonderful person and needs the job to support a family.

It is either right to maintain the man-woman definition of our most important social institution, or is it not. We cannot base our decision on compassion for gays, whether the gay is our child, our sibling, our friend or anyone else.

Yes, societies have changed qualifications for marriage regarding age and number, but no society before the 21st century ever considered redefining the fundamental nature of marriage by changing the sexes. That is why it is not honest to argue that same-sex marriage is just another redefinition. It is the most radical change to the definition of marriage in the history of civilization

Why is he talking to the Spanish cham. of com. he Can not get votes from them he should be focusing on talking to Americans not the Spanish!!

Nice to see that the usual suspects are out in force this morning. Jody, Pig, Feisty, Jontho, Amy and the rest of the liberal mouth pieces.

in other words, segregated lunch counters were fine with Mr. Paul because he believed that people would do the right thing and government should not force them to do the right thing.

Exactly, and people WOULD do the right thing, I know I would (being the conservative *not Republican* thank you for not calling me one I appreciate that) I would take my money and go on down to the next lunch counter that was not segregated, point being I would have the CHOICE, would there be people who would CHOOSE to go to the segregated lunch counter? Of course, but people like me (and you) would be able to put our money where our mouth is, I believe the segregated lunch counter would go out of business fairly quickly. Which is the point both Paul's have been making.

I firmly believe issues like gay marriage would fit a perfect example, the government will not force it (or at least they shouldn't) but as we've plainly seen over the years, WE THE PEOPLE, are deciding whether to accept it or not, it's a State's rights issue, and it's WORKING, it may not be working fast enough for some people but it IS working, and I believe that more than half of the states in my lifetime will legalize it, because it's common sense.

Jody, what is worse? Fear mongering by a group that wants to assure the people of their protections under the 2nd amendment. Or, fear mongering by politicians about gun violence?

Politicians want to ban guns that are used in less than 5% of violent crimes. they have proposed nothing to stop the guns used in 95% of violent crimes.

Did you know that 45 children have been killed by guns since the SHES mass shooting? That is 25 more than were killed that day last December. Pistols are the preferred murder weapon. These pistols are being used by those who have no legal right to own a gun. A huge majority of murders are committed by people who cannot buy a gun legally. So, does it make sense that we infringe the rights of law abiding citizens? That will not curb gun violence. So, why do it? Tell me the answer to that question, as I have asked it numerous times and not one progressive liberal has ever had an answer.

And you won't get an answer from any of them for the simple fact that they don't have one. They just love to hear themselves talk.

1sgFitz'swife..

What if it were you? If you were told to "wait" for a right, like going into a Woolworth's diner, or marrying the person that you love, would you be satisfied with the idea that you had to wait until society caught up with the equality of the issue, and deigned to award you something that you should take for granted...or would you fight like HELL to have it happen now, simply because it is your right?

I would fight for my rights, and I believe you would too.

I don't think it is comforting to anyone to say, just wait.. just wait, your turn might come.