Both Republicans and Democrats are a sham. This Country doesn't need a GUN Ban. It needs a reality check on common sense.

I don't think it was a matter of putting the party before the people, I think it was more of realizing that the people weren't behind the plan.

Did you hear the new news from Newtown? Lanza had a spreadsheet of mass murderers and the authorities are eluding to him wanting to be the worst mass murderer ever and that he selected Sandy Hook as a soft target. SO, clearly he was very sick and determined to kill as many people as possible. Could it have been stopped if he didn't have a gun- I'd venture not. I think if he was so determined that he would have done something equally bad using other methods.

Maybe we should look into mental health issues as well as the guns?

Nice comment "The Lazaro"

doc when i read your posts i hear it in docs voice hahaha

Hotticket- the government already tells you can't own a fully automatic gun.

A falsehood.

Anyone can obtain an automatic weapon.

All you need is the FFL and money.

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GOP Politicians in Washington continue to show why they are the dirt, scum of the earth...

It looks like the massacre of children all over the country is nothing to be concerned about you fat pigs!!!

What a bunch of c0cksvckers

I love the smell of hypocrisy and bitching in the morning. That smell, that whiny smell, it smells like victory.

Poor Diane....maybe the third time will be your lucky charm. All the while, a good part of the American populace saw through your obfuscations and patent lies while openly defying your arrogance in believeing that you and your cohorts know whats better for us than we do. And that is a very significant signal being sent to the Legislative Establishment. The question is....Are you listening, O Great Elected Tenders of The Flock?

HEY RI MOM,

You know there were 323 school shootings resulting in 151 deaths during the 1994-2004 ban. That ban also restricted magazines to 10 rounds. I thought those bans were suppose to stop the killings. Oh and by the way. there were over 21,000 murders in 1994. Since the ban was allowed to expire in 2004 our murders have dropped to right around 10,000. That includes all forms of murder.

my kids had a police officer at parma city school for years before all this ever happened, police in school is a good thing, armed teachers are a good thing as well, i dont know about you but if im confronted by someone with a gun i want to be ready with mine, 911 average response time 10 mins. .45 cal. bullet 1350 fps, im with the gun.....

Color me surprised....not. Everyone knew this wasn't going to make it to the floor. I guess DiFi is going to have to wait a few years to exploit a new incident to try to advance her pre-existing agenda. The bad news isn't at the Federal level, it's at the state level. Many liberal-controlled states are passing ridiculous laws right now. Colorado for example is passing legislation that is going to cost a lot of democrats their jobs in this pro-gun state. California is even worse with 90 anti-gun initiatives-- all from Democrats. Oh well, at least freedom is winning at the Federal level.

@Dingle,

I love the smell of hypocricy and bitching in the morning. That smell, that whiny smell, it smells like victory.

Outstanding reference. Score!

I PRAY we never have another massacre in this country again with a semi-automatic.

So, you're OK if a shotgun is used?

Or a car?

I PRAY that the day will come when women don't arbitrarily decide to kill 3,500 of their own children every day as a matter of convenience, or 'choice'.

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Banana, I live in CT and work in Newtown. AR-15s are absolutely legal here.

Steven B, not every state allows ownership of Title 2 weapons (full-auto) Just holding an FFL does NOT cover those weapons.

Layton-3733410

I'm pretty sure it will turn up again in another piece of legislation. We democrats believe in moving things along and sticking with it until it is complete or at least considered. The ACA ring a bell with you sabre?

Even when it is a worthless piece of crap legislation designed solely to pacify the sheeple with a BS name and even if it will cause more problems than it solves, if it does anything at all... Yeah, the "A"CA does ring a bell.

RIMOM;

. maybe the next massacre might wipe that smirk off the faces who gleefully take great pleasure in today's news.

It sounds like you are just waiting for it to happen that is SICK!!!! Just like a Democrat just waiting for a disaster so happen so you can get your way. SICK

[Where do you come up with that stuff...]

Cacafuego's a Constitutional scholar, doncha know...he reads Wikipedia.

You are really pushing it with your stupid jerk comments

Read your remarks. You already pushed it. this tragedy was a ploy to push through illegal legislation

SICKO

Does anybody remember that the Messiah Obama and "Fast and Furious " Holder themselves have said that the assault weapons ban did nothing to improve safety. HOW can one disagree with them?

I'd like to see a ban on crazy people walking around the streets ....but that would decimate the Democratic voting base, so sthat's not likely to happen.

Doc, you blame the GOP but the article cleary states this was a SENATE decision which you obviously have no clue who controls the Senate.

That is you Liberal idiots problem, you listen to the media who tell lie after lie about anything but the Liberal agenda.

The country will continue to fall as long as Liberals continue to win elections. How about you actually listen to a Conservative and their principles, which the vast majority of America agrees with according to polls. Stop letting people tell you what to believe and do some research yourself.

@ Eric

Here is the real poll seems to me America does not want the ban thank you for your 1000 people poll but this has millions....

http://www.newsmax.com/surveys/Results/id/64

“The enemies on this are very powerful. I've known that all my life,” she said.

That's the problem with Diane and most of the people in her party. She thinks that people with a different view are enemies.

Would one of you pro gun control people explain to me how restricting sale or possession of a weapon based on how it LOOKS is logical. Because a weapon has certain COSMETIC features does not make it any more inherently dangerous or deadly.

Bart, its the other 150 million non NRA citizens that are driving the opposition.

@champagnesabre - where was all the uproar when the A.T.F killed 23 little kids in Waco, Texas.

I'm sure the POTUS would have loved to have had the foresight to wrap this into Obamacare, since reading it was optional.

Uh Bosco - Ms. Feinstein has said that if she could "ban them all" she would. Coumo said the other day that "confiscation is an option". So, there are people talking about "TAKING AWAY WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE". If you honestly think that some people aren't thinking that then you are not living in the real world.

DocHolliday-2979123

Is it too much to ask from the American Public that these weapons be banned?

GOP Politicians in Washington continue to show why they are the dirt and scum of the earth...

Harry Reid is the one who controlled it being removed from the bill. Did he change parties?

What Feinstein proposed was too restrictive. It wouldn't get enough bipartisan support to pass. It wasn't likely to pass the Senate and would have stood zero chance in the House. Just like other bills that are House friendly going to never see the light of day in the Senate and vice versa, both sides will have to work together on this one.

If it has no chance of passing, why waste time on it. They need to work to find common ground that people on both sides of the issue can agree on.

Dang, I hate this update!

My Type 56 and SKS just dropped in value!!

That's the problem with Diane and most of the people in her party. She thinks that people with a different view are enemies.

that is the problem with (NOT DEMOCRATS) Liberals in general. Look at my very own leg humper Monkey Ny Above. in fact just look at that guys profile and see nothing but idiotic name calling, with the occasional oneliner lefty talking point.. when you cant argue your point or defend it, you can always fall back on the triarii of vile name calling ;o) ...

The left went too far by taking a 'good crisis' and not wasting it..Negating the criminal element in this whole 'debate'.

My Type 56 and SKS just dropped in value!!

nah, i just bought one with a Tapco stock. they'll still pull in about 600 if they have the aftermarket stock making it real scarey (to a lib).

Hi Steven B:

I am having trouble getting to my own face book to answer this. I think your comment is pretty good! I wrote my own answer to this on my face-book Der Panzer, for Colorado gun legislation. I would like to talk to R I Mom in a friendly manner, but can not seem to get to the reply line on the "comment box" or to my own address and symbol.

Please again, this Der Panzer and not Michelle Meagher. Will you help a new guy with all this?

Also I like your symbol. I have the shirt and sticker.

Hope to Here from you, Der Panzer

Eric-913730

Republicans are irrelevant. They won't change their policies to fit what America wants.

The majority of Americans opposed the ACA before it was passed but I don't seem to recall the dems flintching one bit. I guess, by your own standards, that makes the democrats equally irrelevant. Not that anyone who isn't a blind partisan puppet didn't already realize this fact.

HOTTICKET-2304234 "I may NEVER want to purchase a semi, or an auto" To purchase an Assault Gun which can fire "in full auto" First to purchase a true assault rifle, you have to be 21, you have to have an NFA taxed stamped select-fire Class III firearm capable of full auto function. All NFA items must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). you must receive permission from the ATF, obtain a signature from the county sheriff or city or town chief of police (not necessarily permission), pass an extensive background check (including a NICS), submit a photograph and fingerprints, fully register the firearm, receive ATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a tax ($200). Point is all of the "ASSAULT GUN" are not, they are semi-automatic guns that look like the military versions.... and are just want to be's....

Harry Reid doesn't have the votes needed from Democrats to pass this bill and rather then force anyone to actually be counted, he pulled the bill for political expediency. But since no vote was actually taken you can bet Obama, Biden, and Reid will all blame Republicans and the media along with liberal supporters will dive on the bandwagon.

GOOD!

Now we can focus our efforts on the more popular, actually passable items of legislation (e.g., background checks, gun trafficking laws) that will have MORE impact than an assault weapons ban and defangs the NRA gun nuts a bit.

In a utopian world, guns would not be needed. We do not live in a utopian world. We live in a world where thugs reside. It really does not matter whether it is a neighborhood, a county, a state, nationally or globally! The world is populated with some bad and scarey people.

I own firearms to give my family and myself the ability to thwart the thug from ruining our lives.

My government cannot protect me. My government has no duty to protect me. That means my first line of defense is going to be me.

Once I realized this fact, it became easier to accept that i must arm myself, learn about my weapons, study, practice and perfect my use of my weapons so that in a time of crisis, my reaction would be as i trained. Cruel as it sounds, I believe in "one shot, one kill" and not "spray & pray".

Had one parent, one teacher, one owner been armed with a firearm, many of these tragedies would not have occurred on the scale we have seen if at all.

All of the heated rhetoric and words will not stop the real issue. Americans are not safe on their streets or in their homes.

I will toss this out. In all of the cities with strict, draconian gun laws, did the populace shown decline in Part One crimes? Grabbing Chicago, did the strong gun laws there turn Chicago into Disney World or Thunderdome?

If we are honest, the strong gun laws resulted in the vast majority of residents being soft targets for the thugs of the world.

Each of the horrid crime scenes bears a common theme. That theme is the killer, chose a soft target in a gun free zone. Another theme is the killer was deranged.

When I travel, I carry a weapon. I conceal it and I walk, knowing that I will not be led to a slaughter. I will save mylife and those lives ofthose nearby. I will end the assault.

Regarding the heated words on guns; we need to use correct terms and not terms designed to cause scare or fright. I will help the debate.

Clips are used in certain WWII weapons like the Garand. Today's semi-automativ pistol has a magazine. It holds a number of rounds. An assault reifle is a weapon ofthe military. The AR15 you buy at the gun store is a semi-automatic rifle. It is not an automatic weapon, it is not an assault rifle.

We are scaring folks with the misnomers being used. What it tells me is my debater knows not of what he/she speaks and using emotionally wrenching terms to make the argument. The argument will always fail when it is based on emotion rather than fact and logic.

The 2nd Amendment is a right reserved unto the people. It is not granted by government. something that is granted is a permit. a permit and a right are two different concepts.

I pray for the loss of innocent lives at the school or the movie theater. I admire the courage of Ms. Giffords and her supportive husband.

However, do not punish me for the actions of others.

PDB-374047

Bart, its the other 150 million non NRA citizens that are driving the opposition.

Wrong, I don't belong to the NRA and never have but I don't even support half of the guns laws that we have now.

The Wild West really wasn't all that wild. Many of the famous western town had bans against carrying firearms within the city limits. It was against the law to carry in Dodge City, Elsworth, Wichita, Tombstone and a host of others. And in town without the bans most saloons required that patrons check their firearms with the bartender. Most people in the west owned at most two weapons, a rifle and a shotgun. Their primary uses were for hunting and to protect their stock from predators. John Wayne movies not withstanding the Wild West wasn't.

RI Mom

Sandy Hook

Aurora

.... maybe the next massacre might wipe that smirk off the faces who gleefully take great pleasure in today's news.

Hopefully, you folks will channel your energy into promoting responsible, safe, gun ownership with consequences.

I PRAY we never have another massacre in this country again with a semi-automatic.

RI MOM. Grow up. Stop with this insane attack on gun owners. Your obsessive gun grabbing mentality is well known on these posts.
The only reason you are not speaking German or Japanese right now is that good Americans stood up with so called Assault weapons and saved your sorry butt.

America was built with guns, the only reason its free is because Americans own guns. Washington, Jefferson and many other founding fathers knew the importance of citizens owning arms, even the same arms that our military use. Read their words, then stop harassing gun owners with your comments.

-- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"

-- George Washington

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."

-- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."

-- Mahatma Gandhi

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue."

-- Barry Goldwater

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."

-- Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861

RI Mom - You are preaching to the wrong crowd here. I'm guessing most of the gun owners on this vine are legal gun owners, like myself, who practice legal, responsible and safe ownership. The criminals could care less what you say. Nothing you libs do or ban is going to stop crazy people from obtaining weapons and committing horrific crimes. I also pray there are no more crimes like the ones you mention, but you using those crimes committed by crazy individuals to ban an inanimate object to support your liberal agenda is purely wrong.

Bart: NRA membership is approaching 5 million and represents the 2nd amendment as well as the 100 million gun owners.

BTW, the average gun owner owns 4 guns so if you do the math we have an estimated 3.5 million to 4.0 million guns. That is more guns than we have cars on the road. Interesting that every gun incident gets media attention whether it is a shooting, a thwarted shooting, or even an accidentally fired gun without incident or injury. Why don't we read a similar amount of articles about car deaths and accidents?

The point is other than a few states with strict gun laws or urban cities the majority of people in the "real world" own a gun. So if the majority of the people own guns isn't it then by definition we have a minority trying to change public policy? And that is why even with Obama as president and a Democrat majority in the Senate they still can't get unreasonable gun laws through the Senate.

4.75 million NRA members and growing......................

Our Guns, Our Rights, Our Freedom! All preserved today!

This ban like all others would not have worked.

You want tighter gun laws then work with the NRA.

None of this knee jerk reaction crap. Write something that makes sense to everyone.

What do we get? We have a news anchor flash a magazine that is not legal in his state on national TV. Why do they also show pictures of people firing a fully automated weapon?

For those of you who think that this is a civilized country. I have to disagree. When line workers trucks are stripped of tools while they are trying to bring power back to the very same people. When rocks are thrown at them because they are "slow". When people loot their own neighbors.. that is not civilized.

Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a onetime ally of the National Rifle Association, informed California Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Monday that the proposal to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines won't be included in a broad package of new gun laws that's taking shape this week and will be considered on the Senate floor in April.

Democrats hate children. Why else would they pull the ban on high capacity magazine and assault weapons from the legislation? It's about time somebody fought back against their war on children!

“This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety ... While we recognize that assault-weapon legislation will not stop all assault-weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a May 3, 1994 letter to the U.S. House of Representatives, which was also signed by Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford.

“I do not believe in taking away the right of the citizen for sporting, for hunting and so forth, or for home defense. But I do believe that an AK-47, a machine gun, is not a sporting weapon or needed for defense of a home.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a speech at his 78th birthday celebration in Los Angeles on February 6, 1989.

“Certain forms of ammunition have no legitimate sporting, recreational, or self-defense use and thus should be prohibited.”

--Ronald Reagan, in an August 28, 1986 signing statement on a bill that banned the production and importation of armor-piercing bullets.

“With the right to bear arms comes a great responsibility to use caution and common sense on handgun purchases.”

--Ronald Reagan, speech at George Washington University in a on March 29, 1991.

“Every year, an average of 9,200 Americans are murdered by handguns, according to Department of Justice statistics. This does not include suicides or the tens of thousands of robberies, rapes and assaults committed with handguns. This level of violence must be stopped.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a March 29, 1991 New York Times op-ed in support of the Brady Bill.

“I think maybe there could be some restrictions that there had to be a certain amount of training taken.”

--Ronald Reagan, in a press conference in Toronto on June 21, 1988, suggesting that prospective gun owners should have to receive training before purchasing a firearm.

“Well, I think there has to be some (gun) control.”

--Ronald Reagan, during a question-and-answer session with high-school students on November 14, 1988.

@Jody -- There is no gloating. Your party has let you down. Reid has let his party down with this and not stopping the filibuster. Do you not have the intellectual honesty to call for at least a vote so you can see who to target (no pun intended) during the next elections and remove from office on your side? Pitiful.

Why vote??? So you can see who supports and who doesn't. But Reid was only protecting the Democrats that were going to vote it down so they wouldn't be targeted. Isn't that something -- Democrats put party over the lives of children.

If it has no chance of passing, why waste time on it

A quixotic pursuit, just like most of the rest of their political platform.

See money from the Not Real Americans can buy anything of course if you saw Dickie Smothers do his impression of Harry Reid in Casino you know it doesn't take much to lay him know he's getting to old to use his gun. Just a wink from Nancy P. and he wets his pants. Don't we all boys?

Did you hear the new news from Newtown? Lanza had a spreadsheet of mass murderers and the authorities are eluding to him wanting to be the worst mass murderer ever and that he selected Sandy Hook as a soft target.

Yup, we read that, then we also read the bit about it being a hoax. L2Read past the headlines.

@RI Mom - Why don't we fix the problem with people committing these crimes? Like mental health? If they want to kill a bunch of people, they'll do it, whether or not they have a gun.

You want to follow Cuomo's example, don't you? Ban all clips >7 rounds except for law enforcement and government officials and then cut anti-psychotic drugs from what the state's health care will pay for.

That's brilliant.

@ snow

Um learn to read this was the Senate not congress..

Dems realized how many votes they would lose in 2014 so the pulled it out.

Again Dems back down for votes... HAHA so funny

That shotgun comment... really dumb. Nothing smart about that post.

Sorry if it went over your head.

YOU said:

"I PRAY we never have another massacre in this country again with a semi-automatic."

I simply pointed out that your comment was ignorant.

What would you advise? ....... getting Eddie Eagle, one of your NRA heros to stop a massacre ....

No, I advise looking at the impact that violent video games have on young minds.

None of these school shootings happened before violent video games.

BTW: The topic is guns....

Oh. I thought the topic was 'saving lives'.

I had forgotten that only deaths from shootings mattered to you.

My bad, RI Mom.

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@Eric,

But guns have been popular in the American psyche since Day One. And it seems they're gaining in popularity on a daily basis.

What I hope is this actually settles down the "gun fever". It is virtually impossible to buy ammo at the moment and if you can even find a gun its price has gone up about 20% since December.

My hope is all settles down and in the next month or two supplies catch up and I can buy some more ammo. Also wanting to buy another .22 (Ruger LCR with the laser sight) but maybe I'll pick up an AR-15 too if they come back down in price where they should be.

I don't really need an AR-15 but just might buy one just to tick off the liberals a little more. And that 50 round magazine for the AR-15 looks QUITE intriguing also.............

don't buy into it...... it's just a ploy to make this gain before making another attack on our rights...........

Keep your powder dry..........

A ban on assault weapons won't be included in major gun legislation set to take shape this week -- all but guaranteeing it won't pass Congress.

Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a onetime ally of the National Rifle Association, informed California Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Monday that the proposal to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines won't be included in a broad package of new gun laws that's taking shape this week and will be considered on the Senate floor in April.

Harry Reid the "Obstructionist" Bastard

This ban like all others would not have worked.

This I agree with

You want tighter gun laws then work with the NRA.

This is NOT POSSIBLE as the NRA has no interest in solving the problem of gun violence. They will not compromise on anything.

@Haggis -- This -- at this point -- is only the Senate under the majority leadership of Harry Reid not Congress. There was not going to be a filibuster. Reid just couldn't get the Democrat votes to pass the bill so he protected them and not the children.

Damn Jody Iowa... i thought we covered this yesterday..oh you think a tragedy should be the kneejerk reaction the country needs to 'wisen' up to the gun issue? Lest we forget Lanza stole the guns (criminal) and killed his mother then did he what he did (mental)...then next you can evaluate Sencion, Holmes, Harris, Klebold, Cho and through all of that you'll find one common theme.. Go ahead and take it from there...OR you can continue this is 'for the children' meme, which would be completely disingenious and not do justice.

you get done what you can and it was clear that crazy gun owners misinterpreted this action as taking all there guns away because there not very smart in my opinion, but not only should clips over 10 should be baned will pass they should be made illegal to possess.

There was no AR-15 used in Sandy Hook, I was hanguns you liberal idiots. What about the mexican Illegal Killers. Do something about that... Oh wait u might loose a illegal vote!!!!

@AmericanDefender9,

Guns are gaining more popularity with people that already own them. Americans want an assault weapon ban, look at the polls.

haggisbingo,

• A defeat for common sense. How many more innocent lives before these jacktards do something??!!!! :
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• Adam Lanza took just five minutes to shoot 152 bullets and kill 26 people.
• "Had he only had access to ten-round magazines instead of 30-round magazines he would have had to reload 14 times," she said. "He would have needed 14 spare magazines beyond the one in the gun with the extra round in the chamber. Reloading 14 times. You think he would have still pulled off the whole thing in less than five minutes?"

Could have done the same thing with a steal towed boot. All your math is just silly. You're not about the solution. You're about letting crazies kill but not kill so many. You're against these types of guns cause your perceived enemy is for them. You're actually a pretty sad individual.

No, I advise looking at the impact that violent video games have on young minds.

It has virtually none other than passive correlation. Japan and Denmark play more violent video games than Americans, and they don't have a gun violence problem.

Stop scapegoating.

None of these school shootings happened before violent video games.

Completely untrue. Which "Call of Duty" did Charles Whitman play? Or how about James Oliver Huberty? or Richard Farley? or George Hannard? or Patrick Sherrill? (look 'em up)

I could continue, but I think I've made my point...

Eric-913730

@backcountry,

You make my point for me. Even with ACA, Obama won hands down over Romney.

You must be perpetually dizzy from all the spinning you do. The majority of Americans didn't want the "A"CA, the dems passed it anyway. Whining about the republicans not doing what Americans want even as your own party does the same thing is called hypocrisy. And you are a master of it.

Sorry RI mom but no matter how you slice it the legislation was NOT Constitutional and they all knew it.. Since the 1934 myth about machine guns is still floating, with proper certification and taxes and permits Americans can own them along with cannons and a whole lot of other hardware.. When the last weapons ban which was unconstitutional started there was an end to the import and manufacture of full auto firearms for U.S. consumption along with any weapons from China.. In other words if it was here in 1986? or earlier it could be possessed and after that date it was a NO NO.. New York passed laws that are unconstitutional on the Federal level and they are being challenged as we type.. It is a feel good PR campaign by the bleeding heart Democrats as you can not legislate morality.. The same dear leader who supports this joke has given machine guns {ya know the real assault weapons} to Islamic radicals along with explosives and man portable anti aircraft rockets.. He side stepped Congress and had the CIA open the doors to the Libyan arms storage, that's why the ambassador got killed..

People are so worried about semi auto firearms but did you know the leading cause of death in the Middle East is from suicide bombings, improvised explosives and just plain old bombings!! I am glad we live in a free country that has such a small amount of actual extreme violence.. If it weren't for the gangs and Mexican drug insurgents the U.S.A. would have one of the lowest violent crime rates in the world.. Lets hope people do not start loading trucks with hundreds of gallons of gasoline or gas and fertilizer mix and start driving into schools and other building killing hundreds..

Stop supporting an openly Communist president before we end up like China.. Yep things like Obama's statement about redistributing wealth are straight out of the writings of Marx and Lenin..

@haggis,

You think he would have still pulled off the whole thing in less than five minutes?"

Yes. Tell me why he couldn't? Having to reload is not a viable answer if you've ever 'fired for effect' and sent multiple mags worth of rounds down-range within 5 mins.

@Eric,

It would be absurd to suggest that the only people who are purchasing firearms are ones that 'already own them'. Polls aside, I know from personal experience that I instruct new weapons-owners on a perpetually increasing basis.

champagnesabre

Well, how about that....... the Democrats just put their political party before all those poor little children they were going to save.

No, that's what Republicans do. It's more important to keep the money flowing from the NRA to the coffers than do what's right for America.

HOTTICKET-

REALLY? The government can't tell you what you can have in your house? Hmm, well, then why don't you try growing pot, making meth, making bombs and donwnloading lots of child porn and see what happens.

The Constitution gives you the right to bear arms but it doesn't say any kind and it doesn't you don't have to register it or have a background check. Too bad you whiny gun owners think it's too much to ask of you to do these few things for the privilege of owning a gun.

ProBusiness

What I hope is this actually settles down the "gun fever". It is virtually impossible to buy ammo at the moment and if you can even find a gun its price has gone up about 20% since December.

When Obama originally got elected, there was a similar run on ammo and "assault weapons" which caused manufacturers to seriously increase their production. Within about a year following the election, when the market settled down, there was a huge overstock of these rifles and you could actually find them pretty cheap. That's what I've been banking on this time around.

@Eric-913730 said "it doesn't mean that American's 2nd amendment right gives them the right to own an automatic weapon, certain semi-automatic weapons, grenades, mortars, tanks, jet fighters and nuclear bombs." Actually, it does. The 2nd Amendment states that the right to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON. It doesn't say "unless", "until" "except", etc. It states clearly and simply "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON" Period.

Eric,

Republicans = want to take us back to Dodge City.

People were a heck of a lot more polite back then. Don't recall crazies shooting up schools either. Heck if they had the teacher or even the students would have taken them out.

Jeffor: No, I'll take it to the range and shoot with my other guns. Just never thought about wanting an AR-15 but now it has become clear with all the media attention it might be a fun gun to shoot.

And you can thank President Obama. He deserves the "Firearms Salesperson of the Year" award.

ItsAboutTime-3704531

No, that's what Republicans do. It's more important to keep the money flowing from the NRA to the coffers than do what's right for America.

That's right, the issue is all Republicans, but nothing to do with Democrats.

Don't you hyper-partisans ever get tired of the "My party good, your party bad!"? No wonder we are in such a mess.

Hidden in Obama care is the loophole these Democrat Communists needed to exert power over the people.. It gives them freedom via a revenue panel to tax almost anything at a rate they think is fair to procure money for their Communist/Socialist dream.. So they plan to tax us all into submission and the rumor of the $5 tax on a round of ammo is driving the current shortage along with the even by wartime standards huge munitions order by our masters in Washington.. It still is unclear why they want so much ammo?? Seems they are sparing no cost in arming Homeland Security thus driving paranoia about a government take over.. And what is with all the up armored vehicles and there need to be EMP proof..

That's what I've been banking on this time around.

Thats why Obama gets Gun Salesman of the year. of course us knuckledragger bible thumping Reichwingers are the real undulation to 'Progress' in America. Ammo is biotch to find... .22 gone everywhere. 40SW gone, 45ACP gone, 7.62X39 gone (or very pricey), 9mm gone.

Too bad you whiny gun owners think it's too much to ask of you to do these few things for the privilege of owning a gun.

Sorry Hmm but driving a car is a privilege..owning a gun is a right. you acknowledged it right above the quoted sentence...

Ben,

Nice rebuttal to Jody's comment.

ProBusiness

Jeffor: No, I'll take it to the range and shoot with my other guns. Just never thought about wanting an AR-15 but now it has become clear with all the media attention it might be a fun gun to shoot.

And you can thank President Obama. He deserves the "Firearms Salesperson of the Year" award.

Gun and Ammo prices went through the roof when he first took office and again after each of the shootings. I certainly know gun store owners in my area were telling people "If Hooooosaaaaain has his way, some of these guns are going to be banned!"

Oddly enough it was all of his inventory. What a surprise.

Hopefully some intelligent, passable legislation makes its way through the House and Senate that everyone can agree upon and ammo at the range doesn't have to be cheaper than ammo at the store.

Caesar Augustus-

Ammo is biotch to find... .22 gone everywhere. 40SW gone, 45ACP gone, 7.62X39 gone (or very pricey), 9mm gone.

Same in this area, thankfully .22 LR ammo is cheap. Hate having to run a conversion from .45ACP to .22LR, but my wallet sure prefers it.

AmericanDefender: Absolutely correct.

In the last 6 months I personally know of 5 people who have bought their first gun and two others who WANT to buy their first gun but can't find what they want in stock anywhere.

All the media attention certainly played a part. They were always "it would be kinda nice" but once the attack on gun ownership they decided to get now "in case there is a push to ban that is successful".

So gun ownership by NEW gun owners is rising quickly as is NRA membership. NRA membership was estimated just over 4 million before Newton and in the last 3 months alone an estimated 500,000 new members have joined and the NRA is now approaching 5 million members.

So Barack Hussein Obama is not only the winner of the "Firearms Salesman of the Year" award but also the winner of the "NRA Membership Drive" award!!!

It's really only the crazy racists that are running the gauntlet on guns. So many many other things to spend money on, like my children. (AND)What do Mexicans have to do with guns, crazy people?

Sen. Ted Cruz---Senator Faiistain , do you believe in the second amendment

Sen Feistain--Yes I do, but anyway , I will confiscate your guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sen. Ted Cruz---Sen Faistain. Taking in consideration that the last ban to automatic rifle didn't work, do you think this time will work

Sen Feistain---I don't care, I will confiscate your guns.

Sen Cruz--- Sen Fainstain, knowing that most of the killers did not got their gun in legal way. Do you believe more gun control will fix the problem

Sen Faistain.---I know more than you, I don't care , I will confiscate your gun.

Opps

The liberals come in here with he blood of dead children smeared on their faces and pretend this had something to do with making our children safer. This never had anything to do with promoting safety. It does have everything to do with promoting the liberal agenda.

-Destroy Religion

-Destroy Family

-Target children with propaganda in our schools

-Disarm the population.

Liberal playbook sounds alot like Hitler's Plan for Germany (Stalin's plan, Mao's plan, etc)

Just goes to show how minority groups like the NRA can influence an entire government's legislature with the sheer amount of money they have.

Yeah!! The Gun-grabbing queen got spanked.

Just Wrong- ever read the Constitution? better try it before you rant again.

...this is a loss for the children that died at Sandy Hook.

So the kids at Sandy Hook sacrifieced themselves for some unknown, unanticipated future cause? They didn't lsoe this cause through the loss fo their lives. They lost their lives due to some criminal acts. There is no empirical evidence that demostrates that even if this law had been in place these kids would have been "saved". The proposed new laws don't remove any existing weapons from the public, it would have prevented the future manufacture particular weapons and accessories.

What about the people who died in Aurora at the two different rampages? They obviously don't garner the pity factor that "children" do thus you neglected to mention them. At what age does a person become acceptable losses (e.g. the teachers, the movie-goers, the high schooleers, etc)?

@redvirginia (post #1.123)

man, THAT'S what you took from that exchange? Hell, I don't even agree with the assault weapons ban but Ted Cruz was simply a moron in that particular instant. His "question" (if you want to call it that), was childish, demeaning, immature, and basically the dumbest question I've ever heard asked.

Oh, and point of order, the "assault weapons ban" as being discussed does not "confiscate" guns (not that it would matter, as it had zero chance of passing).

Same in this area, thankfully .22 LR ammo is cheap. Hate having to run a conversion from .45ACP to .22LR, but my wallet sure prefers it.

First thing I'm going to do is put a TacSol AR-22 upper on mine...once the price on everything drops of course.

Thought maybe Finklestien would stroke out and the country would be shed of the socialist witch.

I'm pretty sure it will turn up again in another piece of legislation. We democrats believe in moving things along and sticking with it until it is complete or at least considered. The ACA ring a bell with you sabre?

You mean when there are no checks and balances so they can just force their wacko legislation, that the majority of the people and business are against, through. Yea, they are such great people.

Don't forget, then they do absolutely nothing else until they lose the majority and then just point fingers for doing zilch the rest of the time. They do a lot of good for people, don't they?

Zorloc, when did the intentions behind the creation of anything have to do with whether or not it can kill someone? You can pick up a tree limb and club someone to death. In fact, isn't clubs one of the first assault weapons man created? The tree had good intentions, but it is man who changes those intentions. You are right when saying those things by themselves can't kill, be they guns, cars or whatever. It's the intentions behind those using any of those things that is the main problem. You may think it's old that many say this, but I don't feel that is your problem. I believe your problem is facing up to mans intentions of murder and not the tools they use. We only want to pick and choose those things as agendas to remove from humanity, as long as we are not the ones who own them, but only owned by others.

Same in this area, thankfully .22 LR ammo is cheap.

that and i have a significant amount already..but 9 and 45 is what im kicking myself in the butt for.. i saw Remm .223 in abudance yesterday... 7.62 X 39 (and 54R) are also what im trying to procure...i got some 7.62 for 7.99 for 20 rnds..Wowser..one store had it for 13 a box..YIKES...that steel stuff is normally dirt cheap.

If you do a search, you'll find that all of this hoopla with gun bans on assault weapons has caused gun and ammo prices to go up, not just for assault style weapons but on all gun prices - a major coup for he gun industry and the wealthy who profit from it. It's great to see the wealthy who control our country pulling something off like this as they pull the wool over the eyes of their devote followers.

Stop thinking of all of this as a Democrat against Republican thing - it's not. The agenda serves the wealthy. Both sides put on a good show, a good act, but all they care about is promoting wealth for the wealthy while taking away as much as possible from the rest of us.

yupitsme, As long as it keeps the checks and balances, I will continue to support the N.R.A. with others like me, along with growing membership daily.

The "assault weapon" ban was too polarizing, and was a no go from the start. If they pass mental health screening, and close the "gun show loophole", It'll go a long way towards getting a handle on things. Of course, even with that, you can't expect miracles, but it's a step in the right direction.

Hey RI Mom, please go iron your dress and let the men of this country take care of protecting the constitution from overemotional women and pee your pants liberal boys.

No one owes you an apology. You owe everyone who has fought and died for our freedom a big apology. And Finestein just needs to go away.

That said, it doesn't mean that American's 2nd amendment right gives them the right to own an automatic weapon, certain semi-automatic weapons, grenades, mortars, tanks, jet fighters and nuclear bombs.

*SIGH* I have already proven the stupidity of this argument a month ago. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to effectively defend one's self with the above mentioned items without massive collateral damage except for one in your list - Yep, you got it, "certain semi-automatic weapons", i.e. the AR-15!! Suck it up Eric, you are wrong and your straw man argument isn't working with those of us who actually have common sense.

That was clever, though, including the "certain semi-automatic weapons" to imply that it has the same mass destructive capabilities as the rest of those in your list. Too bad for you, we can see through it.

Same in this area, thankfully .22 LR ammo is cheap.

Love shooting mine. I have a pair of .22s, a Taurus revolver and a Walter long nose. Plink, plink plink! Me and the Misses have a ball all day. My .40 caliber Glocks? That's a different story. *Bang* There's a buck.....*Bang* .....there's two bucks, *Bang*.......there's three bucks........

Pricey.

DingleB,

When Obama originally got elected, there was a similar run on ammo and "assault weapons" which caused manufacturers to seriously increase their production. Within about a year following the election, when the market settled down, there was a huge overstock of these rifles and you could actually find them pretty cheap. That's what I've been banking on this time around.

I hope so too. I have my eye on a lovely Romanian AK with wood stock.

It's really only the crazy racists that are running the gauntlet on guns

I just have to wonder where people come up with this stuff.

Hey RI Mom, please go iron your dress and let the men of this country take care of protecting the constitution from overemotional women and pee your pants liberal boys.

Ah, what's irrational "debate" without a bit of misogyny thrown in.

Anyone care to break out blatant racist claptrap and complete the cycle?

Hay eric3275;

How many children were hurt in Dodge city?

DickCranium

Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a onetime ally of the National Rifle Association, informed California Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Monday that the proposal to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines won't be included in a broad package of new gun laws that's taking shape this week and will be considered on the Senate floor in April.

"Democrats hate children. Why else would they pull the ban on high capacity magazine and assault weapons from the legislation? It's about time somebody fought back against their war on children!"

LOL!!!!! Democrats have been waging a war on children for years ...... its called "abortion"

Bananahanacana

Please explain to us how this ban would have had an effect at Sandy Hook in a state where ARs were already banned?

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At least be an honest broker about the conversation. The AR was legally purchased by the Mother of Lanza from a different State. The weapon was brought to CT. If there was a ban on them (nationally), the Mother, who was a responsible owner, would not have illegally purchased the AR and had it in the house for Lanza to utilize.

Again, there is no straight line that says this tragedy would not have happened, but stop being willfully ignorant, and again, be an honest broker in the conversation.

Hotticket,

Love shooting mine. I have a pair of .22s, a Taurus revolver and a Walter long nose. Plink, plink plink! Me and the Misses have a ball all day. My .40 caliber Glocks? That's a different story. *Bang* There's a buck.....*Bang* .....there's two bucks, *bang*.......there's three bucks...

Love the Glock 40. Wish I had purchased that instead of my Ruger P89. Don't get me wrong. Love my Ruger but the .40 stopping power is where it's at.

The NRA is strictly a money laundering group to promote their political agenda for wealthy members. If you want to join a good organization - try the National Sportsman Association (yes, they take women too), not only do they educate you on how to handle a gun (an absolute must if you have one - you should know how to shoot it, how to clean it, what ammo it takes, how to load it, how and where to properly store it, and when you should actually should pull the trigger). Not only do they offer gun education they also offer other forms of hunting and sports education. I own a gun, know how to care for it and shoot it and I do not need a membership in the NRA and will never have one. I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment, I just dont see Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton, et al being in favor of anyone other than military owning a machine gun and I sure don't want anyone else to own any type of a gunif they have not had at least the training I've had all my life. Guns were made to shoot and kill something, food, enemies, animals, other people and nothing else. Sport came into play much later on, but originally they were made for the above purposes. I think police in every school is not only a good idea but should be mandatory, raise the tax on weapons and ammo and earmark it to pay the salaries of those policing the schools - I'd recommend retired police officers or retired military. Crazy people wil never go away and neither will guns so we had better come up with something reasonable to take the guns out of crazy hands or at least stop them in the act.

"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not."

The Lorax - Dr. Seuss.

@JohnBryant,

The "assault weapon" ban was too polarizing, and was a no go from the start. If they pass mental health screening, and close the "gun show loophole", It'll go a long way towards getting a handle on things. Of course, even with that, you can't expect miracles, but it's a step in the right direction

For the sake of argument, I will concede your point but in return, please answer the following: Do you find it strange that there is nary a word being spoken about the out of control gun violence associated with urban city gangs? I lived in the NY/NJ area for over 30 yrs and never ONCE saw an instance where a law-abiding gun owner used his or her weapon in a 'violent' fashion. But, on the other hand, I witnessed (and personally experienced) untold instances of gun (and every other form of) violence being perpetuated by convicted felons and those well on their way to that status. So I ask....is there a 'step in the right direction' when it comes to the glaringly obvious 1,000 lb gorilla in the room?

"Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a onetime ally of the National Rifle Association, informed California Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Monday that the proposal to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines won't be included in a broad package of new gun laws that's taking shape this week and will be considered on the Senate floor in April."

Hope you progressives get a clue in the next election cycle as to what is what and who is who. Just saying if you have a problem take it up with Harry "I can't develop a budget" Reid. By the way the legislation was doomed by the second amendment and the heavy vote of the buying public.Just take a look at gun and ammunition sales to private individuals and you will see them stocking like there is no tomorrow (which is what many fear). Great gun sales driven by fear instead of actual need. Greatest gun and ammunition salesmen are politicians who are against guns.

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@Mr. Steady, you are NOT correct sir. The US Supreme Court has already ruled that the Governmnet can limit which arms we can bear. I always knew that assault ban would be dropped but that doesn't mean they can't do it legally. Here is a quote from Supreme Court Justice Scalia just to prove my point.

http://www.politico.com//blogs/under-the-radar/2012/08/if-congress-wh-wanted-to-ban-assault-weapons-could-131451.html

“The Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding,” Scalia wrote. But he also said a 1939 Supreme Court case, United States v. Miller, allows for limitations on the right to bear arms, “supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons."

So your wrong, it may never be passed but Congress can in fact limit which arms we can bear! I understand that it may not be what you want to believe but you are very misinformed!

R.I. MOM 1.19-- If you don't like the comments cumming your way mind your own business. If your shoulders are broad enough to take the good with the bad then type your opinion. And it is people like you that are all talk that end up doing something stupid just to get your point across..

Love the Glock 40. Wish I had purchased that instead of my Ruger P89. Don't get me wrong. Love my Ruger but the .40 stopping power is where it's at.

Thanks, DickCranium!

I have 2 - a Model 23 and a Model 27 (with the short grip). Amazing guns but sh1t man, getting expensive for me to shoot! Ammo is going through the roof and I had a bytch of a time finding the boxes I have!

Ruger makes some nice models, though! Reliable as all hell!

Sigs? I hear they jam - A LOT!

You missed my point, Ron Childers. I was pointing out the absurdity and stupidity of the argument, not arguing what the fools in congress CAN DO or think they CAN DO, unconstitutional or not.

Furthermore, dangerous and unusual implies that the two are inclusive of one another. AR-15's are far from unusual. In fact, they just happen to be just about the single most popular firearm in existence.

Conservatives are a strange group.

They say the Second AMendment is absolute, but they are willing to re-interpret the First Amendment and curtail freedom of speech while pursuing establishment of religion.

They say the government can't tell you what you can own, but the government CAN tell a woman what she can do with her body.

They say you can't compare automobile registration to gun registration, but you CAN compare gun deaths to automobile deaths.

They say the Senate should bring up tax bills that have no chance of passing, but they should NOT bring up gun bills that have no chance of passing.

They say that government should listen to the constituency on matters of policy but that they should NOT listen to the constituency when the constituency favors gun control.

They say putting a hand grip on a weapon does not make it scary, but they say that a scary looking weapon DOES scare criminals.

They say criminals will get guns anyway, but they say restricting the supply of guns by ANY means will NOT restrict supply to criminals by extension.

Conservatives are a strange group.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

OOBuck

LOL!!!!! Democrats have been waging a war on children for years ...... its called "abortion"

and Republicans are PRO BIRTH only because we all know that once that kid is born, it's no longer a Republican concern...cut education, cut welfare to the poor, cut access to healthcare...

DickCranium:

Love the Glock 40. Wish I had purchased that instead of my Ruger P89. Don't get me wrong. Love my Ruger but the .40 stopping power is where it's at.

I have a SW40VE and can certainly relate to the stopping power as well as the cost to shoot. I have 4 magazines and each holds 14 rounds. So I can go through 4 magazines in less than a minute and there went $35:(

But I certainly love the feel and power of that gun and would rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it..........

I can't believe some of the comments here. First the 2nd amendment was written when they had muskets so maybe we should only allow people to own muskets. The 2nd amendment will always be there and no one is trying to take away your rights but the courts have stated that the type of gun can be restricted. Anyone who thinks they need an assault weapon or a high capacity round magazine is proof that we need to mentally evaluate people before they can have a gun. As for the idiot who stated that the Newtown massacre could have been achieved with steel toed boots is silly and stupid. It's always the same in this country, people are against everything until it affects them personally so we have become a country that is ruled by the gun and the wealthiest. One thing we as a people are good at is being paranoid and working ourselves into a frenzy with conspiracy theories. The right wing nuts are slowly destroying our country and they cry about their constitutional rights but when it comes to equality then they kick it to the curb. I bet those who are screaming about their constitutional rights are the same religious nuts who believe we are all God's children except if your black, brown, gay, lesbian, female etc. It would be easier to state they think if your a white straight male then your one of God's children. We as Americans should be ashamed of ourselves because we send our kids to die in the name of democracy yet we are not allowing democracy work in our own country, hypocrisy at it's worse.

Sigs? I hear they jam - A LOT!

I hope you are wrong because that is what I just bought. They are used quite heavily by law enforcement though, so I guess we'll see. Damn, I DO hope you are wrong. Anybody with experience with Sigs care to comment?

Winker: Very poor argument.

The Constitution was not limited to what was available then. Free speech certainly involves the internet even though it was not around back then and only recently invented by Al Gore (sic). Infrared cameras were not around back then but still are not allowed under the 4th amendment of "secure in your own home". And many other examples.

And if you want to have a debate and be taken seriously your constant rambling of "idiot", "right wing nuts", "religious nuts", and "stupid" certainly confirm your immature manner and inability to have an adult conversation.

Winker, the 2nd amendment had nothing to do with Muskets. It had to do with keeping the people and the individual Democracies of our "Republic" armed reasonably as well as the federal government.

Interlopers lose, America wins!!

Eric get over it, it depends on who's being poled!

Thanks to everyone who took a stance and contacted their representatives, the only poll that ever really counted!

As to all the other cannon foder anti-gun bills, can you say repeal?

Happy trolling!

So when a farmer buys a single shot shotgun for his son or daughter's 16th birthday he gets 25 years in prison.?

What a stupid law when the U.S. Attorney General is still in Criminal Contempt of Congress for allowing the straw purchases of thousands of Assault weapons to Career Criminal Insurgent Drug Cartels and other Illegal aliens and Drug Gangs.

Obama* did in fact exersize Executive Privelidge to protect the Criminal who is in Criminal contempt of Congress.

And what about Benghazi? When will the whole truth be told about that?

Why keep the survivors quiet and change the name of one who has much to testify to.?

just holding out till they can come up with something that will get the votes they want lets hope that fails as well.

Dick You can get exceptional performance from the tank of a pistol P89.. Since it can handle +p+ ammo all you need is some hot 124 grain hollow point 9mm ammo and you still get the better bang for the buck with the same ballistic numbers.. It is too bad we are not allowed to have pointed slugs for the 9mm as that made them better for longer range accuracy.. But they called em cop killers and made them illegal.. The old 30/30 gets close to the .308 with some of the new powders and ballistic tip slugs that are out there.. We reload and save a bunch on plinking ammo with just the minor inconvenience of having to chase brass.. 12 cents a round for 9mm reloads with plain lead wad cutters.. Their next attack is on ammo so reloading is a trump card..

People are so worried about semi auto firearms but did you know the leading cause of death in the Middle East is from suicide bombings, improvised explosives and just plain old bombings!! I am glad we live in a free country that has such a small amount of actual extreme violence.. If it weren't for the gangs and Mexican drug insurgents the U.S.A. would have one of the lowest violent crime rates in the world.. Lets hope people do not start loading trucks with hundreds of gallons of gasoline or gas and fertilizer mix and start driving into schools and other building killing hundreds..

Stop supporting an openly Communist president before we end up like China.. Yep things like Obama's statement about redistributing wealth are straight out of the writings of Marx and Lenin..

@ProBusiness,

As for .40's, buddy of mine has a tight set-up. Beretta .40 Vertec paired with a Beretta .40 CX-4 Storm. Interchangable mags including hi-cap. The sight of it is Diane's nightmare. Carry on.

It gets old having to explain over and over again what "well regulated" means in the context of the 2nd amendment.

It gets old explaining over and over again how the 2nd amendment doesn't just apply to muskets.

These worn out, historically inaccurate arguments are almost as bad as the emotional drivel.

@lasertroll

The Senate is part of Congress, and a bill doesn't go to the Senate without passing the House of Representatives first. Senate + House of Representatives = Congress.

Moron.

All these comments aimed at the GOP- yet it was the democraps who dropped the assault weapon ban!! So if you're going to sling some poop around, aim it in the right direction instead of letting your knee-jerk hatred automatically and misdirectedly blame the wrong source.

Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a onetime ally of the National Rifle Association, informed California Sen. Dianne Feinstein on Monday that the proposal to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines won't be included in a broad package of new gun laws that's taking shape this week and will be considered on the Senate floor in April.

So there you go!

Meanwhile, all these idiots who ran on the gunshops and are waiting for a year to get their Bushmaster can relax and chill out. Nobody is taking your guns!!

It's the dems who made this into a fiasco by talking about banning things- basically banning our basic, consitutional rights- that ignited the powder keg.

Nobody is getting killed by a responsible, sane gun owner. If guns were out killing people, then that'd be another matter. But in reality, guns DO NOT KILL! The hand that wields the weapon, pulls the trigger is that which kills. Behind the hand is the mind that controls the hand.

If we want to improve our lot, we need to start funding mental health programs and start having screenings available for people. Someone like that Lanza kid could have been screened and this mess could have been averted. Though nothing's perfect, at least we can minimize these shootings by getting to the source; but above all, spreading paranoia and fear is no way to manage the situation!

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An assault weapon ban wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook, pistols were used. The AR was found in the trunk.

DOH DOH - "Winker, the 2nd amendment had nothing to do with Muskets. It had to do with keeping the people and the individual Democracies of our "Republic" armed reasonably as well as the federal government." It also wanted to keep them "Well Regulated", but somehow that part doesn't mean anything right? Like that parts of the bible that are irrelevant to the right-wing, as opposed to other parts that they make the law of the land?

SIgs- great, don't jam much UNLESS you let them get dirty.

Winker- so you're also fine with banning computers, because they hadn't been invented yet, so the 1st Amendment didn't cover them. Cool. Just submit this $200 application, fingerprints, photographs, and complete background info, then wait 4-6 months for permission to buy that computer. Remember, no one needs more than l megabyte. Total. And that flash-drive? No more high-capacity drives- you might have enough bad ideas on there to be dangerous. And do NOT conceal that smart phone without a CCSP license.What about e-mail privacy? The founders never heard of e-mail, so Uncle Sam can read them without warrants. Free speech is limited to the stump in the town square and printed newspapers. ALL other forms of communication had not been invented, so telephony, cellphones, TV, Radio, webcams, and etc are totally regulateable. You hypocrites piss me off. You love to violate one enumerated right because you don't like a tool, yet you invent rights that are never even mentioned and call them Constitutionally protected.

Ralph- who cares what Wayne or Ted did to get out of the Army. They were kids then. They are adults now. And now, as grown ups, they are no longer liberals, out to violate our rights.

This thread is the biggest collection of bull@!$%# I've ever read. There are legitimate defenses of not having an assault weapon ban, but none of them show up here. For the most part ignorance, irrationality, and rudeness seems to be winning the day in the United States today. This is pathetic and embarrassing.

If we decide to NOT ban assault weapons because we've had a rational discussion weighing the merits of proliferation versus a ban... and if we had considered real and certified DATA in our decision, then we could hold our head high. The reality is that reasonable discussion and facts are the LAST thing we use today.

One big f@#king reality TV show... not really very entertaining either. Our system is now officially a shame.

The children of Newtown deserve a vote, Gabby Giffords deserves a vote, the people of Aurora deserve a vote.

What???? Harry doesn't think they deserve a vote? I think I saw Harry standing and clapping when that was announced. Was that part of your show, Harry? I thought it was the State of the Union

On average your guns killed 88 Americans and injured 202 each day during 2011

A falsehood.

You include suicides in your numbers, and your statement betrays you for a gun hater.

Guns don't do anything. They are inanimate objects.

More people die in car crashes, and 3,500 babies are murdered every day.

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Like you, they have fought hard to make semi-automatic hand-guns and military-style assault rifles available to other mentally unstable bullies and cowards.

The DEMOCRATS are responsible for keeping the medical records of unstable people out of the NICS database.

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The children of Newtown deserve a vote

Hey, just consider those kids 'very late term abortions'.

I bet you're feeling better already!

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Jason-1425018

An assault weapon ban wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook, pistols were used. The AR was found in the trunk.

You may want to check your facts before posting. The AR-15 wasn't found in the trunk. It was used by the gunman to kill the children. Your "factoid" was just another email myth conjured up to create misinformation... and people like you swallow it whole.

DingleB: It gets old having to explain over and over again

And it gets old for those of us who do NOT share your views to have to explain over and over that yours are not the absolute definitions. To explain that your views are not shared by everyone. To explain that our freedoms NOT to do the things you wish to do are equally important.

You are spouting your OWN worn out, emotional drivel.

@Ralph,

On average your guns killed 88 Americans and injured 202 each day during 2011

Kinda painting with a broad brush there a little, aren't you? If you're so inclined, please respond to my question in post #1.150 Perhaps then we can engage in CIVIL, NON-NAME CALLING debate.

Steven B

The children of Newtown deserve a vote

Hey, just consider those kids 'very late term abortions'. I bet you're feeling better already!

I don't support abortion either. Now what? Your argument comparing abortion to killing children outright has as much merit in the other direction... So how is it that you support saving unborn children yet don't support living, breathing ones?

Truth is that your argument is called a "strawman". Look it up. It's widely used by neocons to confuse legitimate topics.

WHOOOHOO!!! Now maybe I will be able to find a decent AR at my nearby gunshop...considering they've been bought out since all the libs threatened banning them. CHA-CHING!! ;)

You liberal puppets think that the deaths of the children does not bother us? You have a lot to learn about Constitutional rights. and Yes, They Are My Rights. You can give up yours but Not Mine.

I feel sad for the familys of the dead children but the killer, killed his own Mother to get the guns and that is not my fault, and the Mass Media repeatedly Leaves that fact out of the over played news story about this.

I keep all but one of my guns locked up and a cop or the FBI could not get to them. I have one that is within my reach if I should hear a crash of breaking glass in my home when I am in my bed trying to sleep with all of the niose from your Illegals shooting up the streets of America.

The shooter at the theatre and the school shooter and the Biden/Feinstein Columbine shooters all have one thing in common, They Are Democrats. Even The Bomber of the FBI building in Oklahoma City is a Democrat.

Don't talk at me about my rights or Why do I need a large capicity magazine for deer hunting? It is not about hunting. It is about National Defense Against Tyrany.

Hello RI Mom and Haggis, an AR wasn't used at Sandy Hook. Pete Williams form NBC issued this report.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_NllT1iDo

The Constitution gives you the right to bear arms but it doesn't say any kind and it doesn't you don't have to register it or have a background check. Too bad you whiny gun owners think it's too much to ask of you to do these few things for the privilege of owning a gun.

The Constitution gives you the right to vote but it doesn't say you don't have to register or don't have to be a citizen...too bad you whiny libs think it's too much to ask of you to show a valid ID proving you are a citizen for the privilege of voting!!!!

Steven B,

You post some sick stuff but this . . .

Hey, just consider those kids 'very late term abortions'.

Puts the rest to shame. No matter what side anyone is on in this debate, making fun of the loss of life is NOT acceptable. What a disgusting way to try and make a point. Grow the @!$%# up.

The children of Newtown deserve a vote

Well uh...unfortunately you don't get the right to vote until your 18...so that's probably not going to work. :/ Welcome to America.

Haa Haa LOL gee who could of seen this coming?? Stupid stupid Obama SLAVES and DRONEs, the DEMS want Re Elected Next year...

Oh Well, Hey I just bought a 30 Calibre Assult weapon , complete with Bayonette, and not a bad deal, got it right from the US Govt.. How about that Fools! Ban Obama instead!

Hello folks, let's not sit on our laurels, the attack on our second amendment is one that we will have to be vigilant about.

Now it's time to put a stop to Bloomberg and his intrusions into our harmless everyday decision choices!

Well Said Trust, the Battle has just begun

There is no attack on the 2nd amendment. No one wants to take your guns away. We need to do something about gun violence. Beyond arming every man, woman and child, what do you propose?

@LMarcT,

Our system is now officially a shame.

Only...now? Depending on who you ask, it could be said that it's been going that way for quite awhile. On both sides of the aisle.

Let me start off by saying I'm against any type of ban on guns, magazines, or ammo. That said, what I find bewildering is why democrats even chose to make this a fight in the first place. It would be like banning Hummers in order to cut down the number of people killed in traffic accidents. Yes there are Hummers on the road and yes they are involved in some fatal accidents, but its a tiny fraction of the overall problem.

Hola Trust.....agreed.

Eric913730 Your either Stupid or a plain Fool if you believe what you wrote, You Need to Get your Slave A ss out of Obama's rear and see what is really going on, instead of writing stupid comments, now let the adults have a adult conversation.

@Zortoc, Sorry but saying a car has more uses than a gun is a stupid argument. Just cause Jimmy gets a little drunk and shoots up a school, means his gun is at fault. Now if he had gotten in his car and run into a bus full of kids it would have been his fault. Same damage, same person. Your just blaming the gun while ignoring the problem.

True to its motto, MSNBC has been leaning forward. To the point that its opinionated programming far outweighs its “factual reporting,” according to a new Pew study. While Fox News, too, had more opinionated programming, the network had a much smaller discrepancy between opinion and straight reporting. The study — which came as part of Pew Research Center’s annual “State of the Media” report — states that opinionated programming comprised 85 percent of MSNBC’s airtime (versus 15 percent of “factual reporting”). Meanwhile, Fox News had opinion 55 percent of the time, with 45 percent straight news.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/03/18/pew-study-finds-msnbc-the-most-opinionated-cable-news-channel-by-far/

There is no attack on the 2nd amendment. No one wants to take your guns away.

You're ignorant in this matter:

Straight from the Mouth of a U.S. Government Attorney

The U.S. government argues in federal court (U.S. v. Emerson information page) that there is absolutely no right of an individual to own firearms!

Judge Garwood: "You are saying that the Second Amendment is consistent with a position that you can take guns away from the public? You can restrict ownership of rifles, pistols and shotguns from all people? Is that the position of the United States?"

Meteja (attorney for the government): "Yes"

Garwood: "Is it the position of the United States that persons who are not in the National Guard are afforded no protections under the Second Amendment?"

Meteja: "Exactly."

Meteja then said that even membership in the National Guard isn't enough to protect the private ownership of a firearm. It wouldn't protect the guns owned at the home of someone in the National Guard.

Garwood: "Membership in the National Guard isn't enough? What else is needed?"

Meteja: "The weapon in question must be used IN the National Guard."
(Excerpt of oral arguments in U.S. v. Emerson, 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, June 13, 2000)

so predictable...

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that's why I have never really had any interest in discussing this topic. There is no political will. Where there is no will, there is no way.

“The enemies on this are very powerful. I've known that all my life,” Feinstein said

Yes, We have met the enemy and her name is Dianne Feinstein! Her and her accomplices Chuck Shumer, Barbara Boxer, Michael Bloomberg....... can all go to H___!

@Starman, as my grandmother often said, "an opinion is like an a$$hole everyone has one".

You are entitled to yours, it's my first amendment right to have mine.

Obama has led this country out of the recession, out of war, reformed health care for 33 million more Americans.

Republican's base is shrinking, unless you change your policies you will be irrelevant soon.

You do know that only 68% of people acquire formal operations don't you? I'm tired of dealing with people that are barely concrete operational.

@StevenB,

One instance, by one attorney does not "an attack on the 2nd amendment" make.

Most Americans are for the 2nd amendment, most are also in favor of a ban on assault weapons.

You are in the minority on this issue.

I see the village of idiots is on the march today.

Its must be too hard to realize that particular guns restrictions have been instituted longer than anyone here alive. The push for regulation has been conducted from both side of the isle and if you had any common sense you would rather join the the conversation rather than just throw stones from your island.

Whats even more hilarious is that the champion idol/god of the republican party former president Regan pushed for more regulation than any president in the last 30 years due to a massacre that occurred on his watch.

People seam to have a sevier lack of empothy until it happens to them or thier loved ones. Then they understand.

#1.184

. So how is it that you support saving unborn children yet don't support living, breathing ones?

I support both.

I simply do not believe that the actions of one crazy kid should result in the disarming of the American People, or the rending of the Bill of Rights.

And, my comparison of aborted babies to the Newtown children is quite valid.

Too many sick liberals are tickled with the idea of killing innocent children, but squeal like stuck pigs if a child is shot.

Tell me, do you support capital punishment?

Most Americans are for the 2nd amendment,

Correct.

most are also in favor of a ban on assault weapons.

Based on what legitimate data set?

You are in the minority on this issue.

If true look up Tyranny of the Majority and report back to us Eric.

@Eric,

Yes, you are entitled to your opinion. Would you care to offer an opinion in response to my question posed in post #1.150? I'm not being confrontational nor disrespectful but rather am seeking an honest opinion/answer.

There is no attack on the 2nd amendment

What? so what does restricting, permanently banning, and disallowing certain firearms do? and tell me how it prevents violent crime with a firearm? Where do you stop?
Let me ask you this Eric, back in say 1776 when the colonies gave King George the middle finger, what did they [colonists] do? Armed revolution...dont you think for one second without the use of said firearms, we'd be here today? do you not understand that our Founding Fathers knew this and made sure of it in the Bill of RIGHTS? see unlike your heroes in Lenin and Castro that knew one revolution may lead to another, with the potential loss of their Power, Constitutional framers wanted the power to remain with the people..Fancy words alone wouldnt secure it but an armed populus stands a better chance.

"If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring me shall possess highest seats in government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin" ~ Samuel Adams

LMarcT, I stand corrected. I hadn't kept up on what info was correct after a certain point. Thank you.

fielden

And it gets old for those of us who do NOT share your views to have to explain over and over that yours are not the absolute definitions.

They are not my definitions regarding the meaning of "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment, it's James Madison's interpretation. It isn't my interpretation of which guns the 2nd amendment applies to, it's the Supreme Court's.

To explain that your views are not shared by everyone. To explain that our freedoms NOT to do the things you wish to do are equally important.

I'm not advocating taking anything away from anybody, including the right NOT to do anything.

You are spouting your OWN worn out, emotional drivel.

There is not a single bit of argument based on an emotional appeal in my post. Where did you get that?

Eric- since when does violating enumerated rights of law-abiding citizens do anything but violate their rights? Criminals don't obey laws. They break them. So YES, allow Americans to be armed for defense against all enemies, just as the 2nd Amendment specified, and then crime rates will drop. I am willing to bet that the principal of Sandy Hook wished, just before she died so bravely, that she had a gun instead of bare hands to defend those kids.

@ Stephen B

Maybe if you read my whole comment you would have known I was parrotting someone. Also, your comment on the children in Newtown is really disgusting. Good thing you have compassion for your fellow man. moron

LOL. Told you so! I've been saying for months Feinstein's bill wasn't going anywhere.

Ohh here we go, look at all the Obama SLAVES crying and blaming everyone but themselves, Sooo Funny!!!

Maybe we should start with the definition of 'assailant' before we try to classify what an 'assault weapon' is....

#1.202

The RKBA trumps any do-nothing/feel-good legislation that the liberals can cook up.

One instance, by one attorney does not "an attack on the 2nd amendment" make.

The U.S. government argues in federal court (U.S. v. Emerson information page) that there is absolutely no right of an individual to own firearms.

Has this 'one attorney' prevailed...

If you like, I can provide dozens of examples of 'attacks on the Second Amendment'.

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You would not like it, I assure you.

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Great the Democrats are all gonna get pissy, look for you taxes to go up again soon.

Dingle, conveniently you leave off the militia part? Go figure you seed and pick parts you want to hear and leave off the rest of the sentence. As much as you try gallivanting around in your camo in a swamp, you sir are not militia.

We don't have a militia and revised it to the national guard. Go ahead and go join if you disire that.

A DEFEAT for Obozo and Frankenstein's attack on the Constitution of the United States of America

@Funnygirl,

Okay have an ID to vote, just make them easily accessible and free and easy for people who aren't mobile to get. End of problem. Note: Why do Republicans have to bring up these kinds of changes right before general elections when there is no proof of widespread voter fraud?

@AmericanDefender9: Do you find it strange that there is nary a word being spoken about the out of control gun violence associated with urban city gangs? I lived in the NY/NJ area for over 30 yrs and never ONCE saw an instance where a law-abiding gun owner used his or her weapon in a 'violent' fashion. But, on the other hand, I witnessed (and personally experienced) untold instances of gun (and every other form of) violence being perpetuated by convicted felons and those well on their way to that status. So I ask....is there a 'step in the right direction' when it comes to the glaringly obvious 1,000 lb gorilla in the room?

Easy access to weapons means gangs as well. No background checks for individual purchases gets you these problems. Most cities have gang initiatives to help bring down the violence. In Denver, where I live we started several programs after a summer of violence, it hasn't stopped it all but it's better. Now, I guess you could arm everyone and shoot outs with the gangs, but that's kind of what they want. You want to fix the gang problem, fix the poverty problem.

@NealOsborne,

Since criminals don't follow laws, why have any at all. By your logic, then we shouldn't try and control nuclear weapons or material either.

This was the proper result. Despite Senator Feinstein's lament over having witnessed the results of a DERANGED murderers mis-use of a firearm, the overwhelming majority of us have not. What the majority of us have witnessed is the proper use of firearms by their owners.

I have never encountered a deranged person hell bent on murdering children or anyone else with a firearm. What I have encountered are responsible gun owners who enjoy hunting, recreational shooting and collecting interesting firearms.

More importantly, whatever reason they may have for exercising their second amendment right, is that all of them sleep soundly at night knowing that they have the ability to protect themselves and their loved. They are also comforted in the knowledge that they can prevent a reoccurrence of the mindless acts and horrific results Ms. Feinstein and her like minded nannies could not.

LMarcT

Jason-1425018

An assault weapon ban wouldn't have stopped Sandy Hook, pistols were used. The AR was found in the trunk.

You may want to check your facts before posting. The AR-15 wasn't found in the trunk. It was used by the gunman to kill the children. Your "factoid" was just another email myth conjured up to create misinformation... and people like you swallow it whole.

Deja vu. I had posted the same original argument as this other Jason a while back, received the same response, and followed back with the same response.

Only difference now is that the original statement was true.

The AR-15 was not used in the shooting. The only misinformation here was that it was.

And this latest news today is a huge blow for the Thought Police and all the B-B zombies on here. And a win for the American people.

Hello Eric, you said:

"Obama has led this country out of the recession"

While I'm a political atheist this statement is far from true.

If you monitor the news media there is nary a mention of the 85 billion dollars a month that is being injected into the economy to keep it propped up. What would happen if the Fed turned off the printing presses? The economy would collapse because interest rates would spike, the bond market would crash and we wouldn’t be able to service our current debt. That is exactly what would happen!

If not for the continuous bailouts anyone with anything in the stock market would have lost everything!

The Fed is printing 40 billion dollars a month and giving it to the banks so that they can buy up their junk/toxic mortgage debt. The Fed won’t tell you which banks are receiving the bailouts because there would be a run on those banks. They say look the banks are buying their own stocks, that is a good sign. Not when they’re using the 40 billion that is supposed to be used to bail out their mortgage fraud. They are also printing another 45 billion to buy US Treasury bonds. A total of 85 billion every month for as long as the eye can see. So you still say we are on the mend? Wrong! We are breaking records in the number of people who need food stamps to feed themselves and their families. 1 in 6 Americans are on food stamps. According to usdebtclock.org there are 48,379,241 (Miilion) food stamp recipients.

If you really want to see the health of our economy take 30 seconds out of your day and go to:

www.usdebtclock.org

What are you protecting yourself against? How many times a month is your house broken into? How many times has your wife and daughter been assaulted? How many times have you been assaulted? Do you live in a high crime area? What is the purpose of your gun? Is it to compensate for your short penis?

Again, what are you protecting yourself against?

@Bananahanacana,

"Please explain to us how this ban would have had an effect at Sandy Hook in a state where ARs were already banned?"

Well Okaaaay......... Ya see it's like NOW we are Double Dog Daring them to break the law ;) They would now know that the consequences would be severe and if that doesn't work we can always draw a 3rd line in the SAND. Plus we always got our Drones - lolz :(

WTF- Why not just sneak it into the next NDAA and or the next unPatriot Act? Maybe another Executive order?

I hope this brightens your day and provides a sense of (cough,cough,....FALSE) security with out your having to meet the Dept. of Droneland InSecurity - ZZZZZZZ

This has been a Public Service Announcement brought to you by:

Brandon The Progressive Liberal

See: h-ttp://gunowners.org/op0304.htm

229 comments deep......... whatever. It's off the bill. I need an asprin.

Jeremy-960164 (#1.8)

Win for the people.

as it is said above..

When a drunk gets behind a wheel crashes and kills someone, you do not blame the booze or the car. You put the blame on the person for doing it ( as you should )

A gun by itself is harmless, when you put it in the hands of a criminal is when it has issues.

EXCELLENT POST!!!!!

Of course the assault weapons ban should be dropped, this is NOT the problem. The problem is the person operating the weapon. In the vast majority of cases the person(s) involved are mentally ill.

Of course this brings into play the background check debate. As much as this is commendable, it is irrational to think this can be accomplished. Adam Lanza is identified as having some emotional/mental problem. We can use Jerod Loughners case to exhibit the difficulty in an effective background check system.

Following are the main excerpts from the article linked below.

Why Jared Loughner was allowed to buy a gun

Despite evidence that Arizona shooting suspect Jared Loughner is mentally unstable, he was never declared mentally unfit by a court, so his name did not appear in the federal background-check database used by gun sellers….

The law passed after the Virginia Tech shooting that year, in which a mentally ill student killed 32 people. In 2005, a judge had declared the shooter, Seung Hui Cho, a danger to himself and ordered him into psychiatric care. But Mr. Cho was still able to purchase two semiautomatic handguns, because his name did not appear in the NICS database….

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence reported last Friday, the day before the Tucson shootings, that between Jan. 1, 2008, and Aug. 31, 2010, the number of disqualifying mental illness records submitted to NICS by states and territories had more than doubled – from 402,047 records to 929,254. Adding federal records brings the total to nearly 1.1 million.

But the Brady campaign argues that “millions of relevant records” are still missing from the system. The National Center for State Courts and SEARCH, the National Consortium for Justice Information and Statistics, estimate that the NICS Index should contain more than 2 million disqualifying mental illness records, according to the Brady campaign….(emphasis mine)

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0110/Why-Jared-Loughner-was-allowed-to-buy-a-gun

So, despite having the back ground check done Loughner was still able to buy a gun.

More importantly as the article states,,,

The National Center for State Courts and SEARCH, the National Consortium for Justice Information and Statistics, estimate that the NICS Index should contain more than 2 million disqualifying mental illness records, according to the Brady campaign.

This is compounded by this statistic from the National Institute of Mental Health.

Mental Disorders in America

Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year. When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people. Even though mental disorders are widespread in the population, the main burden of illness is concentrated in a much smaller proportion — about 6 percent, or 1 in 17 — who suffer from a serious mental illness. In addition, mental disorders are the leading cause of disability in the U.S. and Canada. Many people suffer from more than one mental disorder at a given time. Nearly half (45 percent) of those with any mental disorder meet criteria for 2 or more disorders, with severity strongly related to comorbidity.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-numbers-count-mental-disorders-in-america/index.shtml#Intro

Here’s the problem.

The National Center for State Courts and SEARCH, the National Consortium for Justice Information and Statistics, estimate that the NICS Index should contain more than 2 million disqualifying mental illness records.

But the NIMH states we have about 57.7 million Americans that suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder.

So, do we just ignore the other 55.7 million Americans that suffer from mental illness? Or do we require all those 55.7 million other Americans are included.

And if that’s the case, do all 313 million Americans have to undergo mental health testing? If so, who is going to be responsible for testing this massive amount of people?

What if someone is tested and found to be mentally competent and the goes out and still kills a group of people? Who is responsible? The shooter? The Psychiatrist/psychologist? The gun dealer?

I don’t think many people understand the enormity of the statement, “keeping mentally unfit people from buying guns with background checks”.

i have a funny feeling that this is a simple "sleight of hand" tactic to distract us from what they're really doing! anyway..i was at a friends get together last weekend and i overheard a conversation about gun control and figured i'd chime in. a guy in the conversation told me that he owned three semi-auto hand guns and that he had bought them one at a time over the course of about two months from an individual on 43rd st. in n.y.c. he said he didn't know the guy but rather he just stopped walking and stood near to a building entrance when this individual came up to him and said "what'cha need bro?" that individual then said, as he chuckled; "i got a gun...i can shoot ya with it or sell it to ya...what's it gonna be?" ....he bought the gun! figuring he had some kind of "relationship" with the illegal gun salesman, he went back on two more occassion and purchased two more guns. he is now the proud owner of three handguns...no permit..no backround check..no serial numbers and no way for the "authorities" to trace the guns back to him should he shoot somebody with one of them. gotta love gun laws and eggheads like feinstein who actually think their media frenzied attempts at gun control actually have some kind of effect on crimes involving guns! the only thing idiots like feinstein end up doing is making it more and more difficult for law abiding citizens to exercise their 2nd amendment rights while having absolutely NO effect on curtailing "illegal" gun sales, purchases ownership or crimes comitted by said "illegal" guns. oh well, at least she can say she tried to take guns away from the general public....she just better hope that come voting time more haters of the 2nd amendment show up than do folks who appreciate their constitutional rights!

We need us this armament to protect agin crimniles and for revenge. Dont you libriles understand you nothing. And it ain't got nothing to do withn our peniles areas nither!

@Eric,

Thank you. Agreed that the essence of the solution is contained at the grass-roots level. I am all for alleviating poverty for it would greatly help the overall situation however this will not happen overnight. Im not saying it shouldnt be attempted but in the mean time...from a strictly self-defense perspective...classifying the currently law-abiding citizenry as felons (which would happen with various hi-cap mag bans, weapons specifications) would be a disingenious move, as well as potentially fatal. In multiple attacker scenarios, ammo limitations could be detrimental to the one trying not to be a victim. Not having anything to do with being 'paranoid' or anything of the like, I cite these examples as an instructor with real-life experience. I appreciate your insight. Thanks.

Layton - Steven B has been posting the same disgusting post for a few weeks now. It just goes to show the low calibre individuals the Republican party attracts. Sickening!

@TeaPARTYrUS,

Do you know how ridiculous you must be to feign your crude subversion? It's not fooling anyone. The second amendment is here to stay, get over it and get a life. The constitution and legal gun owners have won. It shouldn't have even come to this point. You can thank us later!

True - do you know how ridiculous your post is every time you infer that anyone is trying to get rid of the 2nd Amendment? Get a clue. Only in the demented minds of the far right is ANYONE trying to get rid of the 2nd Amendment. However, the 2nd Amendment - as many Supreme Court justices agree - does NOT guarantee you the right to just any kind of gun! Grow up!

Deebo -

The "unorganized" or reserve militia is a legal and lawful part of the armed forces of this nation. It is a military organization recognized by the Second Amendment of the Constitution; Title 10 Section 311 USC; The Dick Act of 1903; The National Defense Act of 1916; and affirmed by numerous court decisions.

There is no ambiguity, the "unorganized" citizens militia is not the National Guard or the state "select" militia under the governor, or part of the "organized" armed forces of the federal government. It is literally the entire body of the armed citizenry.

This is North Carolina law. South Carolina defines the militia within their state Constitution. You would need to research the laws in your own state, but unless your state specifically defines otherwise, it is Not the National Guard.

"It's considered politically toxic even for Democratic senators from rural states -- especially for those who are facing re-election in 2016. And the White House is looking for a concrete set of accomplishments on the issue, not just doomed legislative stand."

It seems that congress is more concerned with money from lobbyist and the NRA than what the majority of voters want. Of course, nothing new in that ...both parties are more concerned with the funding they get from wealthy and big corporations than the voters who placed them all into office. I have to wonder just what any person needs with an automatic weapon..if they can not hit anything with a pistol or rifle ..then they are in trouble anyway. A weapon is only as good as the person using it,...and so far we have seen that too many who have no purpose other than killing have no trouble getting them....and fully auto weapons have no place on the streets..

Insanity -

"Only in the demented minds of the far right is ANYONE trying to get rid of the 2nd Amendment."

Do you not get tired of being proven a liar over and over again? Feinstein, Cuomo, Brady Bunch, Steven B's example.

It must be really depressing to have so few rounds in your argument that you have to keep repeating the lie.

Why is the ban being dropped? According to Democratic leaders, it has no chance of passing

Which translates as..."If we fight to pass this bill into law we won't get re-elected"

How come when I get home from work and go to check comments on articles they are riddled and saturated with republican sh!tbags?

Caesar Augustus-

That's what I've been banking on this time around.

Thats why Obama gets Gun Salesman of the year. of course us knuckledragger bible thumping Reichwingers are the real undulation to 'Progress' in America.

Someone needs a dictionary.

@trustverify,

While we may not be all the way out of the woods. Obama came into office with the DOW at 7,000 now it's 14,000. The recession has made it impossible for some people and taking away food stamps would not be the solution would it?

Republicans want cuts only. England did it, and they are in a second recession. Obama's policies have worked and will continue to as long as we don't have a financial crisis every month, which Republicans have insured.

@Janine, the Republicans seem the only ones to pass things that won't pass the other house just for their base.

Democrats want this but it won't pass and they will wait for another opportunity.

The only people not winning elections are Republicans (overall). Americans want an assault weapons ban, blocking that won't get Republicans elected.

Kevin Joseph Street

In a utopian world, guns would not be needed. We do not live in a utopian world. We live in a world where thugs reside. It really does not matter whether it is a neighborhood, a county, a state, nationally or globally! The world is populated with some bad and scarey people.

Nobody is proposing any "utopian" laws. Nobody is legislating anything of the sort. All they were (trying) to do in the Senate was do what they did in 1994; ban semi-automatic rifles. Now, I wouldn't mind owning one, partially because of the thrill of using it, but I understand that those weapons are deadly. If you simply ban the manufacture and use of those guns, the "scary" people won't get them. At the very least, it will be harder for them to do so.

I own firearms to give my family and myself the ability to thwart the thug from ruining our lives.

My government cannot protect me. My government has no duty to protect me. That means my first line of defense is going to be me.

The first line, I'm okay with. Gun ownership is not a problem with me, as long as the gun owner is mentally competent and knows when and how to use it. The second line is complete bull@!$%#. I'm not one to quote the Constitution a lot, but in the Taxing and Spending Clause (aka the law of the land), it explicitly states that the job of the federal government (and of state and local governments, in their own capacities) is lay and collect taxes and other sources of revenue to "pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States." Essentially, it's the GOVERNMENT's job to protect you; you can protect yourself, but the government will do so as well. Your first line of defense are the police and crime prevention agencies, but you are more than welcome to defend yourself as long as you respect their duties.

Once I realized this fact, it became easier to accept that i must arm myself, learn about my weapons, study, practice and perfect my use of my weapons so that in a time of crisis, my reaction would be as i trained. Cruel as it sounds, I believe in "one shot, one kill" and not "spray & pray".

As a prospective gun owner, I respect (and partially believe) in your beliefs. However, that doesn't mean you need a semi-automatic weapon to defend yourself; any shotgun or modern pistol will do nicely. Hell, if you have good accuracy you can defend yourself with a paintball gun and aim for vulnerable places (head, groin, limbs, etc). The only criminals who use these types of weapons are armed gangs and mobsters, not your average thug.

Had one parent, one teacher, one owner been armed with a firearm, many of these tragedies would not have occurred on the scale we have seen if at all.

Not necessarily. Yes, the possibility does exist, but there is also the possibility that the teachers and the gunman would have engaged in a cowboy gunfight, with the children playing the innocent civilians scurrying out of the way. And with more guns, the chances of more people being injured or even killed go UP, not down.

All of the heated rhetoric and words will not stop the real issue. Americans are not safe on their streets or in their homes.

I will toss this out. In all of the cities with strict, draconian gun laws, did the populace shown decline in Part One crimes? Grabbing Chicago, did the strong gun laws there turn Chicago into Disney World or Thunderdome?

Americans may not be safe, but that is because of many other problems that can be readily dealt with (education, poverty-fighting programs, etc). Chicago isn't safe because it's an urban area; most urbanized areas are ridden with crime because they have a higher density of poor people, who tend to resort to crime (correlation, maybe causality). Most crimes take place with simple weapons; a revolver, an old shotgun, maybe even the occasional knife and/or crowbar. But very few thugs have the time or the money to deal with all the hassles of getting a semi-automatic gun and using it on someone else; problem is, some people do. Therefore, the simplest way to deal with gun violence is to limit guns ownership to those who are competent, experienced, and level-headed.

If we are honest, the strong gun laws resulted in the vast majority of residents being soft targets for the thugs of the world.

Each of the horrid crime scenes bears a common theme. That theme is the killer, chose a soft target in a gun free zone. Another theme is the killer was deranged.

Okay then, Einstein; what's your plan? Turn every alley and schoolyard into a shooting range? Have teachers walk around with holsters and deal with the added burden of protecting their students from deranged maniacs?? Do you want to militarize our society and turn our schools, which are designed to be places of education and social interaction, into a gated prison?? Tell me how we can lower the death rate without limiting gun ownership one way or another.

When I travel, I carry a weapon. I conceal it and I walk, knowing that I will not be led to a slaughter. I will save mylife and those lives ofthose nearby. I will end the assault.

You seem pretty confident in your own abilities; I however doubt your resolve. I do not doubt your ability to fire a gun and make rational decisions, but I do not think you will rush into the fray armed with your firearm. It's one thing to rush in and help someone or drag them to safety; it's quite another to walk up to a deranged criminal and kill them. It's harder than you think; that's why not everyone is fit to join the Army or the police/private security.

The 2nd Amendment is a right reserved unto the people. It is not granted by government. something that is granted is a permit. a permit and a right are two different concepts.

The 2nd Amendment is indeed a right, reserved by the people yet guarded and protected by, you guessed it, the government. The 1st Amendment is also a right, and is in some ways more important than the 2nd, yet that does not mean you can post pictures of child pornography or yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Every right has it's limits; imagine the chaos that would exist if people were allowed to own active nuclear weapons or fighter jets.

I hope all you nut job liberals finally come to the realization that every one of our supposed representatives are all about money & power and not about representing Americans. I certainly don't want you to believe either that I side with you on banning anything. I am for enforcing at the root of the problem & that is NOT the law abiding gun owner. But you go on believing that the Democrats are so very good and the Republicans are so very bad. At the end of the day they are all politicians & do NOT represent the interest of any of us.

winker 2891142, you say

"I can't believe some of the comments here. First the 2nd amendment was written when they had muskets so maybe we should only allow people to own muskets.

muskets were the weapon of the day. the people had equal firepower to the government. today, the government has much deadlier rifles and pistols and the people need to maintain the ability to be on par with in order to defend against a tyrannical government.

The 2nd amendment will always be there and no one is trying to take away your rights

they already have! the fact that one is required by law to acquire a permit to own a handgun is an infringement and how about your precious homeland security act that has effectively removed your right to habeas corpus? they can literally snatch you off the street and ship you anywhere in the world without having to notify anyone ever of where you are and what has happened to you..."detainment" is what they call it. if that aint enough for ya how about the latest attempts by your government to pass legislation allowing the murder of americans anywhere in the world!

Monday, February 11, 2013
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Editor of NaturalNews.com

"Front and center in this pattern of evidence is the 16-page memo that was just released by Obama's lawyers in the Department of Justice. This memo puts forth a "legal justification" for the President to order the drone assassination of any American citizen he names -- anytime, anywhere, for any reason. This new power claimed by the President has no basis in federal law or the Constitution. It is an invented power of absolute tyranny that puts the power to decide who lives and who dies in the hands of one man. This document essentially legalizes the President acting as a serial murderer."

i don't know where you've been for the last 10 years or so but man you are WAY outta the loop and out of touch with your surroundings. in light of this new information...new to you anyway... do you still think muskets are the way to go? or do we really need guns that will give us the best chance of defeating the coming tyrannical government? and now that the president is seeking the power to kill americans with american weapons on american soil whenever he wishes it's only a matter of time before the electoral process is discontinued and replaced with "appointed" personel. after all, the right to vote is constitutional, rather than an intrinsic right given to man simply because he exists!

Dandy416

How come when I get home from work and go to check comments on articles they are riddled and saturated with republican sh!tbags?

So you'll have something to whine and cry about.

Someone needs a dictionary.

Says the guy who starts a sentence with "How come". Someone needs to learn to speak like an adult.

@Freshieee,

Your first line of defense are the police and crime prevention agencies,

Your opinion is logically erroneous. Your 'first' line of defense will be yourself unless you are fortunate enough to have the police or a crime prevention agency at your side at the moment of the crime occuring. I understand the direction of your argument but that's an unrealistic statement.

The only people that need to be banned are the Paranoid Delusional freaks posting their moronic comments. I vote that "a WELL REGULATED Militia" would exclude your Ilk.

W Gibbons -

What are you protecting yourself against?

Crime

How many times a month is your house broken into? How many times has your wife and daughter been assaulted? How many times have you been assaulted?

0, 0, and 0. Maybe there's a firearm related reason for that.

Do you live in a high crime area?

Any large city is high crime these days. And there doesn't have to be the presence of "high crime" for there to be the danger that you may be a victim of crime.

What is the purpose of your gun? Is it to compensate for your short penis?

Defense. Fallacy.

Again, what are you protecting yourself against?

I suppose that you would rather me wait until I have been assaulted to prepare to defend myself from being assaulted. I'm protecting myself, my family, and my home from crime. It's a choice I have made. Deal with it.

Eric I was right you are a Drone and SLAVE of Obama, with NO Clue as to what your even talking about other than Recirculating Obamas LIES ..He has led us NO Where BUT DOWN and started a War he can t win. So if you want to threaten me, Bring it on Dumbass, this Old Marine Retired Bird still knows a Hell of a Lot more than you do. More Gun Control Regs HAA aaa there s a Laugh

Funny how stupid ones are writing liberals are weak and this is a victory. The Democratic Senate is quite aware that the cowardly republicans will be so frightened they would only filibuster anything. Republicans will take your gun as fast as a Democrat but they feel they can still get a vote from some people, as they have protection they don't care about the violence.

Hello @Eric 1.242 - You don't get it do you? The Stock Market is not an indication of a healthy economy. If not for the 85 billion of monopoly being printed every month in to perpetuity the stock market would crash. If it weren't for the bailouts interest rates would spike, the economy, stock market and bond market would crash. If interest rates go up we can't service our debt payments. I don't know how else to make this more clear. It doesn't matter who's president, both parties our equally guilty in our bankruptcy.

Take 30 seconds out of your day and visit:

www.usdebtclock.org

ivan, NC:

I don’t often defend democrats but in this case I applaud their common sense. Guns aren’t he problem. Ironically many of the social programs democrats support are.

@Trust,

It doesn't matter who's president, both parties our equally guilty in our bankruptcy.

If only people understood the overwhelming reality of that statement.

Bayllie, let's talk about the word liberals love-Abortion (murder). They love to use the word "fetus". It's funny, out of all the people I know that have had children, and have had ultrasounds done before the CHILD is born, none of them, not one , have said "Come take a look at the picture of our new fetus!" It's amazing that liberals care sooooooo deeply about the First Amendment (freedom of speech), but are sooo quick to agree with snuffing out the lives (by vacuum, stabbing the back of the head, and other "lovely" ways) of those that can't speak for themselves. Oh....yeah....I forgot (sarcasm).....it was George Bush.

W Gibbons would rather you wait and be assaulted, call 911, and wait on the cops to get there to "protect" you. I'll bet W Gibbons doesn't live in Chicago. Why is W Gibbons interested in the size of your penis? Wow.

@SCNative,

Of course George Bush is to blame. If a butterfly farts in the Congo, invariably and without uncertainty, it's Bush's fault. Gee. Where have you been? :)

I came home today and hugged my AR15, laughed about all the mad liberals, played some modern warfare 3. laughed at some more mad liberals like ri mom, haggis, alaskabitch, pigotry and redhead douchebag. oh yeah and fu feinstein why dont you do us all a favor and retire old hag.

The only powerful enemies that Feinstein is worried about are called WE THE People on her call for gun control. As far as the polls go, any one can make any poll look like they want. Try asking 1000 men over 50 & see what the results will be. It sure wont be for gun control. These so called liberals think it's the NRA. Guess what dumbbells The NRA is made up by hundreds of thousands of people not just one man just like Feinstein is just one person that does not speak for anyone outside of San Francisco. There's a lot of people in California that would tell her to go away since she is no longer relevant

Pigotry...

Don't want to discuss it? You sure do run off at the mouth on the right. Now that it is the left who has abandoned useless assualt gun control legislation, you have nothing to say?

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Jody of Iowa...

No, we (conservatives) are not gloating. I doubt whether those on the left are either. Both sides just realize that you can't control the crazies. Kind of like that bomber in Florida who decided against taking an untold number of lives and just took hos own. BTW - take a few bags of fertilizer, some diesel fuel and a detonator and one can have quite an event. After oklahoma city where was the ban on fertilizer, diesel fuel or a homemade detonator?

@ Eric-913730

Republicans = want to take us back to Dodge City.

#1.37

I guess JS in SD is correct....

I wonder how the liberals who are constantly commenting here are going to spin this to be the Republicans fault. The Democrats have control of the Senate and can not even get the ban passed in their own party. What happened to all the rhetoric following the CT tragedy and the Democratic talking heads blaming the Republicans for making it impossible to get the ban they want approved. They will not even approve it themselves. #1.7

And, OH! that they could.... You really should read your history, and not believe that Hollywood Propaganda.

But in Reality...

How many murders do you suppose these old western towns saw a year? Let's say the bloodiest, gun-slingingest of the famous cattle towns with the cowboys doing quick-draws at high noon every other day. A hundred? More?

How about five? That was the most murders any old-west town saw in any one year. Ever. Most towns averaged about 1.5 murders a year, and not all of those were shooting. You were way more likely to be murdered in Baltimore in 2008 than you were in Tombstone in 1881, the year of the famous gunfight at the OK Corral (body count: three) and the town's most violent year ever. [www.cracked.com/article_18487_6-ridiculous-history-myths-you-probably-think-are-true.html ]

And this is only one example, there are more if you go look.

Murder was a pretty rare thing, even in the "Lawless" West. It would be nice to return to those days, before the Constitution was corrupted by Progressives.

From 1918 until 1934, any one in the US could order and have shipped through the USPS, a fully automatic sub-machine(Tommy Gun w/30 or 50 round magazine), BAR (High power machine gun w/20 magazine) or even a M2 .50 cal. Belt fed machine gun, no questions asked. Where were all the spree shootings then (other than criminal gangland)?

It was not uncommon to walk into a local hardware store and buy a case of Dynamite to remove tree stumps. If easy access to deadly weapons is the measure of a deadly society, why were things like the "Bath School Disaster" not regular occurrences?

NO, the only thing that has changed in the last 50 or so years is the Secular Progressive agenda has wove its tentacles into society. Family is irrelevant. Dads are irrelevant. Males, especially white males, are irrelevant or even 'need' to be marginalized. Morals and Personal Responsibility are irrelevant.

My point is, since the 60's and the Liberal Progressive march toward hedonism in this country, with the rise of the welfare state, abortion and easy divorce, discipline in this country is gone. There are no consequences. No longer are men being raised by fathers. And how do you become a real man, if you don't have one to show you the way? Granted it isn't always successful, but it seemed to be more successful than the alternative.

And if you look at our history. There is a direct correlation between the rise in violence and an increase in the frequency of the attacks like Sandy Hook, and the Civil Rights Movement (that included "protection" of the mentally ill), Social Justice, and Government Social Programs. Some of which started with the first "Social Engineering" project called Prohibition, and continues with the ineffective 'war' on drugs.

Most people say it is because we moved away from God, or took God out of the schools. No, it is because we moved away from the True Intent of the Constitution (under FDR) and began to ask/let Government "solve" our problems. When in fact the Constitution gives the Federal Government no authority to do so.

@ american-2051576

No, we (conservatives) are not gloating. I doubt whether those on the left are either. Both sides just realize that you can't control the crazies. Kind of like that bomber in Florida who decided against taking an untold number of lives and just took hos own. BTW - take a few bags of fertilizer, some diesel fuel and a detonator and one can have quite an event. After Oklahoma city where was the ban on fertilizer, diesel fuel or a homemade detonator?

#1.261

Actually getting ammonium nitrate is getting quite difficult. I don't think it has anything to do with legislation, but the sellers are keeping track of who buys it and why. Also, there is a changing market, it is no longer a preferred fertilizer, most farmers are opting for liquid fertilizers that are cheaper and easier to apply more evenly, so there is less on the market. (at least in my area)

RI Mom

Sandy Hook

Aurora

.... maybe the next massacre might wipe that smirk off the faces who gleefully take great pleasure in today's news.

Hopefully, you folks will channel your energy into promoting responsible, safe, gun ownership with consequences.

I PRAY we never have another massacre in this country again with a semi-automatic.

I pray we dont either, but the reality is, we will. Kids today dont know how to handle problems, they are being let down by their parents. They dont have a great family structure any more, and they are being told there is no God in schools. SO what is the point of anything any more when your family sucks, you cant figure out your problems and no one can help, life seems hopeless and pointless with out any meaning to it. Why not go out in a bang ?

You may wish you have access to better weapons, for if / when a day comes when we are attacked from other countries.. The movie Red Dawn seems far fetched , but if you look at the news these days, we are very capable of being attacked from other countries. I would want to have access to as many weapons as possible. Not to mention, weapons to protect ourself from our own government if / when it starts getting way ot big for its britches and really takes away all of our freedoms. It has been happening slowly over time, so no one really misses anything.

I bet if you took a society from 150 years ago and brought them here to this society today, they would revolt against the government.

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Sandy Hook

Aurora

.... maybe the next massacre might wipe that smirk off the faces who gleefully take great pleasure in today's news.

Hopefully, you folks will channel your energy into promoting responsible, safe, gun ownership with consequences.

I PRAY we never have another massacre in this country again with a semi-automatic.

There is a far bigger chance of being hit by a drunk driver then shoot by an AR rifle. It is funny that you would speak of guns the way you do when it is obvious that you know nothing of guns. Our second amendment does not allow use to have gun for sport. The reason we have a second amendment is so that we can be armed, so that the government does not become a tyrannical government, as Obama has become for the last four years. Also, you said that Bushmasters where allowed in Connecticut, but you are wrong, you cannot own an AR, AK or a .50 cal. In Connecticut; so please stop spreading your Liberal lies because it makes you look even more like you don’t know what you a speaking about.

Why don’t you Liberals make this much noise about the killings the illegal drug cartels are committing in the border states and Obama still thinks it is okay to allow the borders to be uncontrolled, and yes many children have been killed because of the drug war Obama refuses to do anything about; he knows that the illegal vote goes to the Democratic party so he, as well as the rest of the Democrats turn a blind eye to the killings.

By the way the largest killing of school children was in the 1920’s when a man that didn’t get a job at the school made a bomb and set it off killing 28 children. The next was Timothy McVeigh when he bombed the federal building killing 168 people including 19 children. So this just goes to show you that it does not matter the year in which the crime is committed or what is used to commit the crime crazy people will always find a way to carry out their crazy agendas just like Obama, the Liberal media and Liberal Democrats you are the ones that are making America into something it was never supposed to be, controlled by the federal government.

Learn something about the weapons that you say are so bad before you just spew their propaganda

There is a far bigger chance of being hit by a drunk driver then shoot by an AR rifle. It is funny that you would speak of guns the way you do when it is obvious that you know nothing of guns. Our second amendment does not allow use to have gun for sport. The reason we have a second amendment is so that we can be armed, so that the government does not become a tyrannical government, as Obama has become for the last four years. Also, you said that Bushmasters where allowed in Connecticut, but you are wrong, you cannot own an AR, AK or a .50 cal. In Connecticut; so please stop spreading your Liberal lies because it makes you look even more like you don’t know what you a speaking about.

Why don’t you Liberals make this much noise about the killings the illegal drug cartels are committing in the border states and Obama still thinks it is okay to allow the borders to be uncontrolled, and yes many children have been killed because of the drug war Obama refuses to do anything about; he knows that the illegal vote goes to the Democratic party so he, as well as the rest of the Democrats turn a blind eye to the killings.

By the way the largest killing of school children was in the 1920’s when a man that didn’t get a job at the school made a bomb and set it off killing 28 children. The next was Timothy McVeigh when he bombed the federal building killing 168 people including 19 children. So this just goes to show you that it does not matter the year in which the crime is committed or what is used to commit the crime crazy people will always find a way to carry out their crazy agendas just like Obama, the Liberal media and Liberal Democrats you are the ones that are making America into something it was never supposed to be, controlled by the federal government.

Learn something about the weapons that you say are so bad before you just spew their propaganda

When are the Democrats going to learn that when they think they are saying WHAT THEY think the public wants to hear it back fires on them. Maybe they will learn sooner or later that common sense would or should prevail.

If they could put this much passion into creating a budget maybe we can have a chance in the next 4 yrs..

MillerMan15

When are the Democrats going to learn that when they think they are saying WHAT THEY think the public wants to hear it back fires on them. Maybe they will learn sooner or later that common sense would or should prevail.

If they could put this much passion into creating a budget maybe we can have a chance in the next 4 yrs..

#1.266

Kinda like the ACA, when it was a hot issue, what was it 60%? of the people DID NOT want it. Now they are saying that a huge majority (53%) want an "Assault Weapons" ban.

Talk about spin. But hey, "We only listen to polls that support our position, and all others are just because the people don't understand the issue" i.e. we know what is best for you.

Someone mentioned the ATF attack in Texas, where 23 children were killed, and I was surprised that not ONE person, responded to that. So many are prone to merely insulting each other, that the real issues just go away. So many are concerned "for the poor children", yet are apathetic to the daily slaughter of babies by abortion. So many think gun control will slow down the crazies from killing people. The Internet has many site showing how to make explosives - so take away guns, and what do you think the crazies will turn to? Many of them commit suicide after their heinous acts anyway, so suicide bombings won't be much of a stretch.

There is something wrong with Diane Feinstein, pushing to eradicate guns, when she has a carry permit herself.

Do you want to make schools safe? Don't put guns in them. Think about it - schools are constructed of concrete and steel. What happens to a bullet, when it hits them - ricochet, which could cause more harm. I think the safest way to protect any school, is to ARM teachers, yes, but not with guns, but with a large canister of pepper spray - or even bear spray ( much stronger than regular pepper spray). Local law enforcement could train teachers in it's use. Consider the average teacher, getting a handgun, going to the range, getting training. Is she prepared? NO - the instant she is faced with an assailant, pointing her gun, knowing that when she pulls the trigger, she will KILL someone, will in most cases, either cause her to hesitate, or "spray and pray", which in both cases, will do more harm than good. If she is armed with a can of pepper spray, she knows it will incapacitate, but not kill, and would probably be more ready to act quickly. The schools could have a coded alert over the intercom, teachers shuffle their class into a safe space, run to the wall by the door, and spray as the door is opened just one to two inches. This will prevent the perp from having their weapon to the ready, because they have to open the door. The spray would also take care of MORE than one perp at a time. The shooter would just lay there, flopping like a fish out of water, while someone kicks his/her gun away, and all wait for the law to arrive. All the teachers/staff would stand there, sprays at the ready, to keep the perp defenseless. If a little over spray gets on any of the kids, wouldn't that be better than half a dozen ricochets flying around the room?

The real problem here is, most people are not knowledgeable about guns to make rational choices. They don't even understand what an assault rifle is. If the government can restrict ANY semi - automatic rifle (one round for one pull of the trigger), eventually they will restrict EVERY semi - automatic rifle, which includes almost ALL hunting rifles.

Let's get over this, and get on with issues that are more of a priority, like our rising debt, unemployment, ridding our government of special interest groups (lobbyists), bigoted politicians, failing President, illegal aliens (no, they're NOT immigrants), gangs (that will get rid of a LOT of guns!), and greed. Okay, we probably won't get rid of greed.

Eric-913730,

You do know that only 68% of people acquire formal operations don't you? I'm tired of dealing with people that are barely concrete operational.

WTF are you babbling about? I have a 130 IQ and am unable to decipher your intent.

Face it, the Senate(Reid) is too worried about facing an NRA war chest to run against him in the next election cycle.

The only hope for any real change is if you remove the civil protections that prevents individuals from persueing legal action against the Gun / Ammo manufacturers.

If they were up against thousands of lawsuits every year - the industry would make the change because the only thing Corporate America knows is $$$$

Cost them some real cash and you'll see some real answers.

My opinion on this is "Too late and there's too many guns on the street" to do any good with the legislation anyway.

The emphasis on assault weapons as on regular weapons should be to remove the possible sales from illegal sources. Believe it or not, these illegal sources often involve salers at gun shows, and flea markets in addition to gun runners. Perhaps a Law could permanently close down these points of sales by enacting a possible life sentence for the offenders. Next, increase the requirements for dealers licenses to insure that they actually meet those requirements. Then improve the "Bailey Law" to weed out those that presently slip by.

PS: If this Nation falls, it will be from a coup from within rather than from a foreign source. This coup will begin be elimination of Federal Departments and progress to privatization of the Military and the Justice Department. So beware in the election process.

SCGuardian said:

PS: If this Nation falls, it will be from a coup from within rather than from a foreign source.

Yes, and the coup from within is the progressive movement.

Ever notice that the progressives always speak about helping the people but always requires chipping away at the Constitution little by little to do it?

THAT is the coup that is causing this nation to fail........

Freshieee

Kevin Joseph Street

In a utopian world, guns would not be needed. We do not live in a utopian world. We live in a world where thugs reside. It really does not matter whether it is a neighborhood, a county, a state, nationally or globally! The world is populated with some bad and scarey people.

Nobody is proposing any "utopian" laws. Nobody is legislating anything of the sort. All they were (trying) to do in the Senate was do what they did in 1994; ban semi-automatic rifles. Now, I wouldn't mind owning one, partially because of the thrill of using it, but I understand that those weapons are deadly. If you simply ban the manufacture and use of those guns, the "scary" people won't get them. At the very least, it will be harder for them to do so.

You are wrong the only thing it will do is make it harder for law-abiding citizens to own/operate those types of weapons. They are all just rifles that are able to hold 30 rounds the fire one bullet every time you pull the trigger, one bullet leaves the gun. There are over 84 million of these guns that are estimated to have been sold; please explain how we will all be safer country if they get rid of these weapons? It will not matter in terms of crime or death just look at the ban between 1994 and 2004 the data shows that there was no change in crime do to the ban. The Left wants you to believe the fallacy that the ban will keep women and children safe but that is not the case they just want you to believe this so that they can steal even more of your freedoms than they already have, under the heading of in the interest of public safety. The bad guy will always have access to them. Putting that issue aside, the second amendment gives me the right to own weapons that are equal to what the government has, so we could protect ourselves from a tyrannical government. The government now is almost a tyrannical one. Obama keeps chipping away at our freedoms, now you can kill an American on American soil. WTF. Do you see why we wouldn’t want the government take away a right that gives us power to fight them, is absurd. We have had to fight the government before that is how this country was founded. You can make the claim that they have the military, tanks, and plains. I say to that the military for this country is hard working men/women that have family, friends and loved ones in this country do you really think for a second all of them would turn their weapons on the families of America? I would say about 10% of them would; the rest would join the side fighting for freedom.

dianne feinstein holds a Unrestricted California State Carry/Conceal gun permit, carries around a Deadly handgun, ppk 380, with which to shoot people. dianne feinstein also holds dual American/israeli citizenship. This despicable person is a US Senator???????

banfacebook says;

The only people that need to be banned are the Paranoid Delusional freaks posting their moronic comments. I vote that "a WELL REGULATED Militia" would exclude your Ilk

well, the problem with anything "well regulated" is that it comes under the control of the government. in the case of the militia, it's sole purpose is to protect americans from an oppressive government. so, you see, giving the government "well regulated" control of the one entity who's job is to protect citizens against governmental tyranny would be like appointing the head of the ku klux klan as the chief of race relations...totally foolish and reprehensible. so, you see, your comment wreaks of ignorance and the very ilk you seem to despise. have a nice night.

Is it too much to ask from the American Public that these weapons be banned?

Hey Doc, is it too much to ask the you quit suppporting the Jim Crow laws like the one Feinstein just had refused?

What is it with you people and wanting to reinforce the last vestage of Jim Crow? Do you miss the old days so much that you have to try and pass a rehash of the Klan's 'repeating rifle' ban?