Looks like the Supreme Court will have an opportunity to
explain to Barry that he was only elected to be the President, not the King of
the USA. As President, he is subject to the rule of law and the limits of executive
power detailed in the U.S. Constitution. Since the Constitution CLEARLY gives
the Senate ABSOLUTE authority to establish its own rules of proceedings in
Article 1 Section 5: “Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings,”
Barry has no authority to decide for himself that the Senate was in recess when
he made his unconstitutional “recess” appointments to the NLRB and CFPB.

Gee, I thought Barry was a constitutional law professor?? I
guess he was just not a very good one.

It will be entertaining to see how far the lefty liberal
justices will go in their tortured quest to uphold Barry’s clearly
unconstitutional actions. LMFAO!!!!!

From Politico:

Administration seeks Supreme Court review of recess-appointments case

By DONOVAN SLACK |

3/12/13 4:48 PM
EDT

The Obama
administration wants the Supreme Court to overturn a lower court ruling that
President Obama's recess appointments were unconstitutional.

U.S. Court of
Appeals for the DC Circuit ruled in January that his appointments of three
members to the National Labor Relations Board were not valid because the Senate
was not technically in recess.

The NLRB said
Tuesday that it has decided -- in consultation with the Department of Justice
-- not to ask for an en banc review of the case by the same court, but is
instead filing a petition for certiorari with the United States Supreme Court
for review of the decision.

The ruling, if left
intact, could impact the validity of the board's work and rulings since the
recess appointments were made in January 2012 and potentially the other
appointment Obama made at the same time -- that of Richard Cordray to head the
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

White House
press secretary Jay Carney has argued that it would have a narrow impact --
limited to the case in question. He blasted the ruling in January as
"novel" and "unprecedented," saying it “contradicts 150
years of practice by Democratic and Republican administrations."

Obamacare and the Ryan Budget

Paul Ryan's budget proposes the elimination of Obamacare. After the professional left stopped laughing, they managed to compose themselves enough to point out that prospect was quite unrealistic and therefore the Ryan budget was not to be taken seriously. But as usual, the shallow goons on the left completely miss the point.

Want to know how expensive Obamacare really is? Well, Ryan just helped us to understand that by crafting a budget that gets about 40% of its savings from eliminating this one program. That's right, forty percent. By comparison, Ryan's proposed Medicaid savings are only half as much as Obamacare while his proposed Medicare savings aren't even a tenth as much. Oh, and Social Security isn't even touched. Nope, the major safety net programs take modest hits and are preserved for future generations. The big bucks in Ryan's savings plan come from Obamacare.

A few years ago, many of us argued that Obamacare was a bad idea in large part because it represented an expensive new entitlement at precisely the point in our fiscal history when we could least afford it. Ryan's budget recognizes that stark reality and shows how the problem can be fixed. The fact that his sensible proposal is ridiculed as being unrealistic by the know nothings on the left speaks volumes about the absence of the political will to address our fiscal predicament.

Gee, Joe, you're mighty confident that the Court's voting your way. You must've soiled your linens last summer after the ACA decision. You might contemplate avoiding casinos.

So, perhaps all our constitutional scholars can explan WTF Senator Murray is up to. Haven't you argued for years (4 to be exact) that the Senate couldn't produce it's own budget?

Seems the reality is that they just haven't.

Minnesota again led the nation with our voter turnout of 76% in the 2012 election.

The tea party folks lost control of our legislature. We defeated a voter id and marriage definition constitutional amendment on the ballot.

We have two great Democratic Senators and the majority of Congressional seats in the state.

Life is good and our state economy is growing.

Now if we get Spring before May 1 we will have a picnic.

Why waste time on the Ryan's budget? It's dead in the water. The man has clearly showed us that he doesn't understand how the budget works. He also show us that he does not understand basic math.

One more thing, Obama Care is here to stay!!!!

Why waste time on the Ryan's budget? It's dead in the water. The man has clearly showed us that he doesn't understand how the budget works. He also show us that he does not understand basic math.

One more thing, Obama Care is here to stay!!!!

The online Tea Party group site “Conservative HQ” is calling on Romney to apologize at CPAC

God I love a good laugh in the morning

I'm afraid our President is just wasting his (and the Country's) time trying to be Mr. Nice Guy with the Repugs. They hate the President and will stall, drag their feet and fight any proposals he suggests. Nice way to run a Country. Just plow ahead Mr.President and look forward to 2014 when our Nation votes all these Republican obstructionists out of office.

We also have only a 5.5% unemployment rate and that is dropping.

NorthstarDFL - Next on the DFL List in MN is a 300% sales tax on booze. Should be great for business.

The other two wins where nice although there is a lot of hypocrisy between the Voter ID and Gun ID from the left. What is good for one should be good for the other. Pesky rights.

From little Paulie's own vey loose lips;

Slip of the day, so far, goes to Congressman Paul Ryan, while introducing his budget: "This to us is something that we're not going to give up on, because we're not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people."

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/03/12/17286141-ryans-unfortunate-slip?lite

That should teach him to not go out on a binge with Otis the night before... lol

Independent Redneck Va.

...What it means and it never stops … last year about this time I received this email from Phinephancy-

I try not to respond about mass shootings. On June 18, 1990 (the day after father's day), a gunman walked into the office I worked in (GMAC) and killed 11 of my co-workers. To this day, I don't know how or why he didn't kill me. I still have nightmares and I refuse to have a gun in my home. I HATE the 2nd amendment. To this day, the sounds of firecrackers going off just plays havoc with my nerves and mind. I lost 3 close friends that day. Phil still hates to talk about it. Ironic part of the story, I was the one who sent Mr. Pough his repossession letters. My name was on it. The area of the office he headed to first was the repo department. That day, I just happened to be walking towards the switchboard. I saw him kill the two customers in the lobby and then he headed back. As he came in, I ran out the back door.

So, that's why I try not to comment on these kinds of stories. It is too personal.

Thanks for listening.

Ashley

Bill -

So where do these Obamacare savings come from? You seem to think Ryan is such a smart guy, why doesn't he list the details of exactly where these savings come from?

He can't, because they dont exist.

Ryan argues against Obamacare, complains about the direction our country is going in, then uses the Medicare savings frm Obamacare and the partial repeal of the Bush Tax Cuts to achieve his "balanced" budget".

The "major safety net programs take minor hits"? Did you even read his proposal?

Ryan proposes to cut ’Other Mandatory’ spending by $962 billion (or 23%) by reducing SNAP (food stamps), Pell grants to college students, and limiting access to other federal student aid.

That is a little more than a "minor hit".

You obviously did little or no research on what was actually contained in the Ryan budget, and simply sing its praises because Paul Ryan is what passes for a "smart guy" in the Republican party.

The latest Ryan budget is neither responsible or balanced, and after reviewing it in detail the numbers just do not add up - just like his previous two budgets.

From the article:

Ryan’s balances the budget in 10 years, while the Senate Dems’ doesn’t, although it does reduce the deficit

Where is the proof that it balances the budget? There are so many holes in this so called budget that I am sure CBO will come out in a few weeks and say that they cannot score it. Ryan says that he cannot name the loopholes he says will pay for giving the rich a mighty tax break by bringing the top rate down to 25%. Saying the Ways and Means committee is tasked to define these loopholes is just not enough. Who ever wrote this article needs to be careful in saying something is so just cuz a politician says so.

Also, why do we STILL care what the NRA has to say? The only group that did better than their whooping 0.8% effectiveness when it came to backing candidates was the Karl Rove group. No one cares what the leaders of this group has to say about background checks or anything else for that matter. Their members, conservatives, independents, and progressives in every poll this year say their strongly support background checks. Pass this bill and if the NRA doesn't like it have some ba11s to do what the people want! If the NRA comes after you, statistics now show that you have a better chance of winning!!

That was not a slip by Ryan. That is his core belief and the underlying premise of the Tea Party. That statement is who they are. Just like the 47% statement by Mittens last summer.

I like how Dana Milbank in a WaPo opinion piece sums up Paul Ryan's budget proposal: (emphasis mine)

"Now, how do we do this?" Ryan (R-Wis.), the House Budget Committee chairman, asked with a magician's flourish as he unveiled his budget Tuesday morning.

Here's how: The former Republican vice presidential candidate's budget eliminates __— loopholes in the tax code, cutting the __— and the ___— deductions. It reduces spending on the ___— program by ____— and the ____— program by _____. Retirees would see ____, students would experience ___— and the poor would be _____.

There are so many blanks in Ryan's budget that it could be a Mad Libs exercise. But this is not a game. It's black-box budgeting — an expression of lofty aims, with binders full of magic asterisks in lieu of specific cuts to government benefits. If this were a fitness plan, Ryan, a former personal trainer, would be telling Americans that under his revolutionary program, they could lose 50 pounds in 10 weeks without dieting or working out.

He ends his piece with this:

If Ryan is "not going to fight the past," Fox News's Chad Pergram asked, why is he still trying to repeal Obamacare?

"This to us is something that we're not going to give up on," Ryan answered, "because we're not going to give up on destroying the health-care system for the American people."

Even a skilled illusionist can have the occasional Freudian slip.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-paul-ryans-magical-budget/2013/03/12/6c6ad6a6-8b55-11e2-b63f-f53fb9f2fcb4_story.html?hpid=z2

Morgs 74? Is that you Spanky? If so, aren't you at least a little bit embarrassed after your totally wrong 2012 predictions?

Republicans Hate the Middle Class

From the article above:

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan -- who lunched with the president last week -- introduced his budget, which calls for the repeal of Obamacare and transform Medicare into a voucher/premium support system;

There is no debate when it comes to the disgustingly irresponsible, grotesque farce that is known as the Eddie Munster Ryan Budget 3.0.

It is simply 100%, Right Wing Fascist, Koch Brothers, Heritage Foundation, Austerity plan to crush the Middle Class and Poor and turn America into a rat infested, slave driven third world nation.

Period.

We now interrupt this program to bring you the following messages:

“Indeed, to take Ryan seriously is to believe that legislation repealing the landmark Affordable Care Act would be approved by the Senate, with its Democratic majority, and signed by Obama. What are the odds? That’s a clown question, bro.”

Eugene Robinson, The Washington Post Published: March 11

“We’d need numbers like February’s every month for the next four years to get anywhere close to the level of unemployment we had before the Great Recession. But we won’t get there because of the austerity policies the nation has embarked on, and the continuing erosion of the middle class.”

Robert B. Reich, March 11, 2013

“That’s the irony of Ryan’s balanced-budget. Much of it is built on taxes and Medicare cuts that he and his party would never have proposed, and which they in fact fought bitterly, but which they’ve now assimilated into their budget because it’s almost impossible for them to hit their deficit-reduction goals otherwise.”

Ezra Klein, March 11, 2013

Salud

It's something that the 47% statement came back to bite him. It's also funny that the 47% voted for him, and he LOST!!!

So I see the new Libbie conspiracy is that Morgs is Spanky.

Maybe Morgs is No Joe, JS1 and Spanky.

Isn't this the same crap you folks rail about here on a daily basis?

Freakin Hypocrites.

Tom ,Yreka -

Morgs 74? Is that you Spanky?

The same Spanky from CA? No. This Spanky is in MN. No embarrassment although I would like to see what the economy would look like today if a business man was in control.

Wow, bcwc: thanks for printing phine's letter. I had NO idea. I hope something is done about guns and by extension, the NRA at long last.

Be a fitting tribute to her.

Morgs: " I would like to see what the economy would look like today if a businessman was in control."

A businessman WAS in control, remember Bushie? That's when our economy when to hell in a handbasket. Though he and his rich buddies did pretty well, raping the National Treasury for their own benefit.

You are in MN? Do we safely assume that you are the one person that will admit to voting for Bachmann? Or will you use the excuse that you are not in her district?

White Collar Auto - I don't pay much attention to this yammering. If they have the inside scoop with NBC they can verify it. If not they are going off of what I say. And if that is the case than Fisty, Job, Pig, SS and others are all the same because they tow the same party line over and over again. Lock step.

A few years ago, many of us argued that Obamacare was a bad idea in large part because it represented an expensive new entitlement at precisely the point in our fiscal history when we could least afford it.

You argued no such point. What the GOP argued was death panels and your insistence that no one deserves health care. You argued that bankruptcy is the reasonable outcome if you become ill. You argued "Let them die", and I might add, you all said sooner than later. Typical of a GOP politician, suddenly you change your tune - much like Romney as he tries to tell us he did not mean 47% of Americans are disgusting takers. We're on to you and your ilk, oh Bill in Fairfax. Affordable healthcare is affordable, it will be implemented, and the ill continue to become healthy despite your attempts to bury them.

blackcatwhitecat

Thank you for posting Ashley's words.

May God Bless her with eternal Love.

Morgs74,

If you are really Spanky with a new name like Tom says you are, then Mr. Lawyer, you know the difference between a law passed by the legislature and an amendment to our state constitution.

I do not want the legislature off the hook. We elect these folks to vote up or down on the record for passage of any bill to become law. If they cannot do their job then don't muddy up our constitution as a backdoor method to override a governors veto.

Does balancing the budget really matter? The answer: Not really

Oh, we're back to this again? Deficits do matter. If they don't, why do we even pay taxes? Deficit spending takes money from the private sector and redistributes it to the wealthy business owners who sometimes have no-bid contracts with the federal government. It completely distorts the market and contributes to the one thing liberals seem to hate even more than guns: economic inequality.

Also the cost of servicing our debt has become extremely burdensome. We're on track for interest payments near $500,000,000,000 for federal FY 2013. That's bad enough, but deficit spending increases debt which increases the debt servicing expense. If interest rates rise, interest payments could be higher than defense spending. How does that not matter?

sreeeeminglib

The online Tea Party group site “Conservative HQ” is calling on Romney to apologize at CPAC

Hell, is that all? I half-expected a ritual suicide or burning at the stake. Tar and feathers, at the very least.

Morgs74 is not Spanky. Our esteemed colleague's posts always consisted of 5 deflecting questions ... it was the 'lawyer' in him.

It is simply 100%, Right Wing Fascist, Koch Brothers, Heritage Foundation, Austerity plan to crush the Middle Class and Poor and turn America into a rat infested, slave driven third world nation.

..and the claim is the right have Obama Derangement Syndrome

Bill, Fairfax VA..the problem I have with Ryans so called budget proposal is that it benefit the wealthy while all cuts are to those who can afford it least. Just as with his so called tax changes...10% for everyone but the wealthy..and 25% fot them..who benefits..the wealthy only. It means increased taxes for everyone but the wealthy. Closing loopholes does what...does it help the middle class and the poor..some..not all that much..does it help the wealthy..sure it does..and these so called tax cuts for the wealthy help them even more...but..what loopholes will be left in ? To be sure Ryan is not taking ALL of them out....his friends and backers will not allow that.

Morgs 74---A businessman in control? I kind of thought the corporations were already in control. You sound just about as clever as Spanky from S.D. because obviously you can't be embarrassed.

NorthstarDFL - I assure you I am no lawyer, you need to look at I think Jody for legalese. The new bill for gay rights will pass with flying colors. A couple on the right who have voted against it are now turning into advocates. No, not for the votes, these are retired elected officials so that is nice to see a genuine turn for the good. Could be padding their future but at least for now they are on the right track.

Guys, he is not Spanky. Don't you remember? All Spanky would do is post asinine questions that had nothing to do with the topic, designed to derail the conversation to himself.

I don't miss Spanky, he added nothing to the conversation. Wait, neither does Morgs.

Tom ,Yreka - Well I see where a community organizer has gotten us. When it comes to economics a business man is where I would place my bet, not on some crook from Illinois. We all see how they do business there and it always ends up the same way, a prison term.

For all the complaining liberals do regarding Dick Cheney, he appears to be their guiding light. Of course Cheney made the deficits don't matter comment in 2002 when the government was running a 158 billion dollar deficit, which is only a trillion plus less then what Obama has been running. But liberals can always justify two wrongs and come up with a right. Since Obama will leave office with this nation owing more than 20 trillion, it will not take all that long for liberals to realize that size does matter. So if Obama would take us back to the deficits the size Cheney was talking about, the country would have some hope of surviving him.

Morgs 74? Is that you Spanky?

Tom, Morgs is not Spanky. He is his own brand of ass-wipe. The only thing they share in common is, like any reptilian Lounge Lizard, they were hatched from the same egg. They are best described as Lounge Lizard twins.

Rick-3416939

I call that the 'Yeah, but what about Bush' fallacy.

Love me some hate in the mornings. Sure do get my fill here from the all loving, all inclusive, for the people extreme left here. If you guys are an example of what people have to work with on Congress no wonder you are being stymied at every turn. I would too just out of spite. You have no interest in compromise, the only thing you are interested in is other peoples wallets and what you can take from it. Slugs.

Thanks RedDevPS--- They just all eat from from the same bucket of sh!t and it's so hard to tell them apart.

Bill From Fairfax,

did you know that in Ryan's budget, he keeps all the taxes that come with the ACA? all the taxes on medical devises, on the rich... ALL OF THEM!

Morgs, just maybe we are filled up with your bovine excrement. You tea bags have dirtied the name republican long enough. I expect you are just getting a return on your investment.

Bill in Fairfax - According to the CBO the Affordable Care Act REDUCES the deficit. Sure throws water on your take on things.

Fairfax Bill:

Want to know how expensive Obamacare really is? Well, Ryan just helped us to understand that by crafting a budget that gets about 40% of its savings from eliminating this one program.

If you want to know anything about financial matters, stay away from anything written by Lyin' Ryan. The CBO concluded that the Affordable Health Care Act would SAVE money, and Lyin' even used some of the revenues it raises to make his fudged budget numbers look more plausible even though he demands the law be repealed in the same dishonest document.

Rick-

Bush and Cheney inherited a balanced budget that they quickly turned into a deficit by borrowing money to pay for tax cuts that benefitted mainly the wealthy.

Even if you ignore the two unfunded wars, this "tax cut and spend" policy increased the deficit and national debt and resulted in a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the upper class.

I am not comfortable with our current debt and deficit, but at least these recent numbers were driven by an attempt to end the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression and put people back to work.

I am firmly convinced that without the deficit spending of the Obama Administration we would be deep in the depths of at least another recession.

Everyone claims Obama will make us like Spain, how has the rest of Eurpope fared under their austerity programs?

From little Paulie's own vey loose lips;

Feisty - you have to admit, it is refreshing when a GOP politician freely expresses what's on his mind. It is a rarity in GOP/TP politics today. The last time we heard anything that honest from the GOP/TP is when Romney ranted and raged, on and on, about the 47%.

You must've soiled your linens last summer after the ACA decision

So Auntie, what was the Supreme Court Ruling on Clunkercare? Care to explain what King Hussein's lawyers argued it was? I do remember something about the Commerce Clause...was that the Ruling of the S.C.?

Tom, Morgs is not Spanky. He is his own brand of ass-wipe.

Hey Yellowdog, I believe Talktothehand was refering to this lefty VITRIOL you seem to ignore...Thanks REDDEVPIECEOFSHlT for demonstrating the hostile environment created by uncouth libs here.. FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE... Seems First read doesnt have to dredge too deeply to pull up the lake mud we find from these kind loving tolerant non racist liberals...

Thats OK morgs. Just yesterday the conservative posters were cheering King Barry on for 'it's about time' he starts working with the GOP and realizes he doesnt get to rule by decree. Then we had Indonesian Bob and Fisted Jane Rottencrotch whining about the 'insipid' GOP posters... Gee by that definition, that would make the lefties in here..RIGHTIES....dont let that door Irony smack you in the snot box..

CHeer up liberals, Life be IRIE

newdayDAWNING...RETURNED

I don't miss Spanky, he added nothing to the conversation. Wait, neither does Morgs.

Ooooh, Snap!

DingleB

Oh, we're back to this again? Deficits do matter.

Dick Cheney said the don't matter. Except when there's a Democratic president and the Republicans need some excuse to slow down the economic recovery from the near-depression that THEY created.

I see I wasn't the only one to point out Fairfax Bill's bogus claims about Obamacare. I guess we're being mean, ganging up on him and beating him over the head repeatedly with facts. Poor ol' Bill.

The whole "deficits don't matter" nonsense can be traced back to a meeting with Warren Mosler and Rumsfeld in the steam room of the Chicago Racquet Club in the mid 1990's. Both parties have since bought into it with vigor. The problem with Mosler's explanation of Modern Monetary Theory is that is does nothing but explain the mechanics of a fiat currency system. It doesn't offer a suitable argument for it. But that point seems to have escaped politicians ever since.

The only ones to call President Obama's latest efforts to "reach out" to the GOPTP a "charm offensive" is the media--the very ones who frequently comment that if President Obama would only socialize with Repubicans, give them some TLC, the partisanship would disappear like Ryan's magic budget asterisks. Makes the media sound superficial.

Northstar, Iowa voters weren't far behind with 71% of eligible people voting. The top five voting states were MN, WI, CO, NH and IA--all above 70%.

HA! WCA whines about liberals speculating about who might have been so and so yet conservatives spend a great deal of time and effort declaring that 5 or 6 liberal posters are all the same person posting at the same time and all liberal regulars are paid by MSNBC, not to mention the right still claims Feisty is Jen.

Houston!

You are employing the 'Yeah, but what about Bush' fallacy. It's a logical error common on your side.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

From little Paulie's own vey loose lips;

Slip of the day, so far, goes to Congressman Paul Ryan, while introducing his budget: "This to us is something that we're not going to give up on, because we're not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people."

That brings back memories of a Bushism: "The terrorists never stop thinking of ways to hurt America. And neither do we." Like I've said before, Republicans don't know how to create anything of value, but they're really good at destruction. Maybe that's why their Freudian slips keep showing.

'Keeping tabs on the crazies', I received this desperate message from former Senator and certified nutcase Rick Santorum:

Just imagine if Attorney General Eric Holder had a master list of the names and addresses of every single gun owner in America, and what types and numbers of firearms they possessed!

It's terrifying to even contemplate what he would do with that information.

Well, what would he do with it? Maybe such a list would help apprehend and try criminals who used guns?

Or... (cue doom and gloom music)... he might TRY TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY!!!

The insane gunner's paranoia runs rampant, alongside greed. I wonder if Santorum gets a cut from the gun makers too?

That brings back memories of a Bushism: "The terrorists never stop thinking of ways to hurt America. And neither do we."

That was a favorite, Houston! I also loved, "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family."

Gee... I do miss him a little! ;)

I don't miss Spanky, he added nothing to the conversation. Wait, neither does Morgs.

Ooooh, Snap!

LOL...yep...the ever tolerant lefty view...join us or die...Thomas and Newday more jokes.. Yellowdog said that about me yesterday..LMFAO...well lets see, lefty view of 'adding' to the convo is like picking up pom pom's and cheering King Hussein all day...Well lets see if Newday can Debate Morgs...

I wont hold my breath...

So if G-dub is so horrible, how come King Hussein the Merciful has perpetuated many of G-Dub's policies? Please do explain

That brings back memories of a Bushism: "The terrorists never stop thinking of ways to hurt America. And neither do we

Thanks for the walk down memory lane, Houston!

Nothing like a good old Freudian slip to remind us of their true intentions! ☺

"They misunderestimated me." —Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

Ummm... NO we didn't dumbass!

did you know that in Ryan's budget, he keeps all the taxes that come with the ACA? all the taxes on medical devises, on the rich... ALL OF THEM!

Ummm, no.

http://budget.house.gov/fy2014/taxquestions.htm

I notice that First Read didn't mention that Ed Schultz is going to have an interview tonight with the man who took the infamous Romney "47%" video. The guy should get a Pulitzer for showing the public how Republican fat cats talk about the rest of us when they think we're not listening.

California Tom said "I'm afraid our President is just wasting his (and the Country's) time trying to be Mr. Nice Guy with the Repugs. They hate the President and will stall, drag their feet and fight any proposals he suggests. Nice way to run a Country. Just plow ahead Mr.President and look forward to 2014 when our Nation votes all these Republican obstructionists out of office."

The truth of the matter is the exact opposite. Republicans in the House have passed the FY 2013 budget and appropriations. It is the Democrats in the Senate that have not passed anything. If they would do their job, we could get on with the business of finding the common ground and get the bills passed. Funny how MSNBC makes a big deal of the Senate budget plan when they have not passed a budget since 2010.

Could you possibly list some countries that employed austerity measures BEFORE their economies were in the crapper?

Caesar, the ruling is that ACA is still around and available for my chronically ill daughter. After that, I've no interest in how many angels can dance on a pinhead.

DingleB

You are employing the 'Yeah, but what about Bush' fallacy. It's a logical error common on your side.

I was employing the "Republicans are hypocrites" TRUTH. And you are hypocrites. You don't care about deficits unless there's a Democratic president.

Perhaps Lyin' Paul Ryan would care to explain why his "principles" only became important when President Obama was elected to the White House. Ryan voted YEA on every single UNFUNDED piece of GOP legislation including two UNFUNDED wars and UNFUNDED Medicare Advantage from 2001-2008 and not once did any of those "YEA" votes spell his "P R I N C I P L E"-- F I S C A L D I S C I P L I N E. Ryan voted YEA to blow up the budget, add trillions to the debt, and now talks about his "principles". A principle, Mr. Lyin' Ryan, is NOT a principle IF IT ONLY APPLIES WHEN THE OTHER PARTY WINS, it is simply a talking point lie.

At least Ryan came up with a budget, more than President Obama has done, all he wants to do is raise our taxes. Doesn't want to cut his spending. Problem with this yes I do. As bad a Ryan's budget is it can be a starting point, now lets see if the Democrats can come up with something that is different than what President Obama wants. Than lets see if he will TALK.

mikehataway

It doesn't happen. These countries going through austerity now acted like their governments were giant pinatas for decades and when the candy runs out, they blame the disease on the cure.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Thanks for the walk down memory lane, Houston!

You're welcome. But DingleB sez we're not supposed to mention what an idiot Bush was. It makes wingnuts whimper when we do.

But DingleB sez we're not supposed to mention what an idiot Bush was.

Houston!

Ever notice how the wingnuts have NO problem dredging up Clinton to twist their narrative, though?

Like I always say, if it weren't for double standards the uptight righties wouldn't have any!

DingleB -

These countries going through austerity now acted like their governments were giant pinatas for decades and when the candy runs out, they blame the disease on the cure.

The austerity measures have made things worse. Sometimes the supposed cure is worse than the disease.

The worst part is that some are calling for even more extreme austerity measures. Since austerity is not working, maybe we should do even more of it?

Caesar Augustus-

...Thomas and Newday more jokes..

As long as it gets under your skin, then I'll keep telling jokes!

We now interrupt this program to bring you the following message:

“You can kiss my natural, black ass ‘cause I don’t need your approval”.

Queen Latifah, Bringing Down the House (2003)

Salud

Caesar, the ruling is that ACA is still around and available for my chronically ill daughter.

The ruling was/is, its a TAX...a TAX burden I and others will bear. it was ruled under the commerce clause like King Hussein argued it was...the S.C. did NOT rule in favor of King Hussein.

For the record throwing in your chronically ill daughter into the convo in order to 'show' those of us that oppose Clunkercare as uncompassionate is poor form, but typical of a lefty.

As long as it gets under your skin, then I'll keep telling jokes!

No way..Life is IRIE

“You can kiss my natural, black ass ‘cause I don’t need your approval”.

you have a natural black ass? I figured you THOMAS as latin decent, however the Moors did conquer most of Spain and Portugal. OH SNAP

SALAD

In the budget wonk biz, the most common starting point is the current law budget baseline as depicted by the CBO. That's where Ryan starts in his latest budget, which is also where he started in his previous budgets. The current law CBO baseline includes the recently enacted $600 billion tax increase for the "rich" and the Medicare funding adjustments advanced by Obama because –well, because they are part of current law. Nothing to see here, let's move along.

Another aspect of the budget wonk biz – which the MSM and the left wing goons around here never bother to mention – is that the budget resolutions developed by the congressional budget committees are not detail level documents and were never intended to be detail level documents. What the budget resolutions do is establish tax and spend policy by large budget category. Then it is the responsibility of the subject matter committees in Congress to write detailed legislation that is consistent with the top level policy established in the budget resolution. For example, while Ryan's budget resolution establishes the broad goals of tax reform policy, it is up to the House Ways and Means committee to write the legislation that provides the details on implementing that policy. Same with the Finance committee on the Senate side. So the criticism that Ryan's budget doesn't contain enough detail is completely bogus.

Bill, it was actually 2009 they passed a budget.

How to pass a budget...here is how @!$%# is supposed to work. You can clearly see who has not been doing their jobs.

Step 1: President submits a budget request to Congress – 2/13/12
Step 2a: House of Representatives pass a budget resolution – H Res 597 passed on 3/28/12 (Republicans 236 Yeas-3 Nays, Democrats 5-181)
Step 2b: Senate passes a budget resolution – Not completed, Motion to proceed with Senate Concurrent Resolutions 37, 41, 42, and 44 were each rejected on 5/16/12 without a single Democratic Yea vote.
Step 3a: House Appropriations subcommittees “markup” appropriation bills: All appropriation bills have been marked up and passed.
Step 3b: Senate Appropriations subcommittees “markup” appropriation bills: Two appropriations bills were submitted by their subcommittees, but the remaining appropriations have not come out of committee.
Step 4a: House votes on appropriations bills: All appropriation bills were passed between 5/10/2012 and 7/16/2012
Step 4b: Senate votes on appropriations bills: No votes, no debate. Cannot be completed until Step 3b completed.
Step 4c: House and Senate reconcile differences: Cannot be completed until Senate votes on appropriations bills.
Step 5: President signs each appropriations bill and budget becomes law: Cannot be completed until Senate votes on appropriations bills and reconciliation is completed.

Bill, Fairfax VA

did you know that in Ryan's budget, he keeps all the taxes that come with the ACA? all the taxes on medical devises, on the rich... ALL OF THEM!

Ummm, no.

http://budget.house.gov/fy2014/taxquestions.htm

They don't call him "Lyin' Ryan" for nothing. All of the reports that have come out on Ryan's budget say that he uses revenues from the fiscal cliff deal and from "Obamacare" to make his numbers appear more plausible.

CAugustus - This is what I said yesterday to you and Talktothehand

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When talking about the atmosphere here it is pretty weak when you cry, "They started it first". Or, but "Look what she did!" That is a grade schoolers retort. Take some responsibility CA. Grow up. It is not about me.

I have my own beliefs, own thoughts and there is practically no one on this board, no one politician that I agree with one hundred percent. You on the other hand blindly follow every GOP/conservative talking point. Look at my record, go through my posts if you want. I don't care. You give absolutely no respect to anyone, and you will receive none from me.

You call me a hack, whatever. Do you bring anything to the table, other than your one liners and offensive jokes?

Talkto - So it is ok for your side to do it as long as the opposition does it? I've given up telling my side what to do or what to say. I am asking the moderators if there still are any to do their job and ban whoever they may be - Lib or Con, Dem or Rep.

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Yesterday I asked the moderators to do their job and ban/give a time out to people like you who only throw insults. You pointed out others deserve it to, I agree. However, I find no reason that their actions should force you to do likewise.

You responded with a juvenile fight fire with fire response. Whatever. No one likes to be told to behave CA. Initially I tried, got no response about it. A guy named dangerfield agreed with me. As you noted, he doesn't come around much anymore. I wonder why? Perhaps because one has to scroll through the petty taunts, insults and name calling. Throw in the over the top vitroil of some posters it is a wonder that so many normal posters continue to contribute.

edit - By the way don't care what your idealogy or politics is just cut out the hate. Continue Caesar?

Last time I will clarify my words.

Houston!

Dick Cheney said the don't matter. Except when there's a Democratic president and the Republicans need some excuse to slow down the economic recovery from the near-depression that THEY created.

So because a guy said they didn't matter when you disagreed with him politically, now it's okay because he said it in the past but when he said it, it was seen as ridiculous?

Partisan politics confuses me.

Houston!,

And i'm sure you can link all those reports from none left wing sources right?

Repojam,

Let's also ignore that Bush's average deficit was about 10% of the budget... Obama's has been over 40%.

edit - By the way don't care what your idealogy or politics is just cut out the hate. Continue Caesar?

You just can't do it can you mark...Like i said just see REDDEV...and you punted...BRAVO!!!!

You DID NOT ask the moderators to do their job, you specifically asked the moderators to come get me...fat chance...So PLEASE stop with the 'fair' share because you lefties just dont get the definition of 'fair'. I said i own my actions...Fisty never held a gun to my head, but hey if its an accepted practice on FR (not Newsvine), then so be it... Fire with Fire, juvenile or not.

Houston!

I was employing the "Republicans are hypocrites" TRUTH. And you are hypocrites. You don't care about deficits unless there's a Democratic president.

Let's say some Republicans, especially those who were silent in the Bush years are indeed hypocrites. Let's also admit to ourselves that deficits really do matter. How do you justify continued deificits of about $1 trillion a year? Let me guess, it's Bush's fault?

[For the record throwing in your chronically ill daughter into the convo in order to 'show' those of us that oppose Clunkercare as uncompassionate is poor form, but typical of a lefty.]

Ahh, true colors always come through in your blind rage. Lets see just how "uncompassionate" you are, shall we?

Because of the healthcare act:

17 million children can no longer be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition;

6.6 million young people have obtained insurance through their parents' plan;

5.3 million seniors have already saved $3.7 BILLION on prescription drugs;

105 million Americans no longer face lifetime limits on their insurance coverage.

..bravo, Commodus...bravo...

Your tantrums are highly entertaining. But do continue to rage on about something that isn't going to change, no matter how long you stomp your feet and hold your breath.

Caesar Augustus-

you have a natural black ass? I figured you THOMAS as latin decent, however the Moors did conquer most of Spain and Portugal. OH SNAP

Um, it was a quote from Queen Latifah.

It was right in front of your face and you still didn't get it.

So typical for RW freaks to miss the obvious.

Yawn!!!! You are such a amateur.

[Fire with Fire, juvenile or not.]

So, you've compromised your principles? Didn't think the almighty "caesar" was capable of such a thing.

Chinks in the granite...chinks in the granite.

[It was right in front of your face and you still didn't get it.]

He's too busy having a hissy-fit to notice the obvious...

Thomas you obviously have no idea what a joke is. I guess that tends to happen when you are too busy insulting people and telling them what to do.

The afterglow of President Obama’s reelection and inauguration appears to have vanished as increasingly negative views among Americans about his stewardship of the economy have forced his public approval rating back down to the 50 percent mark, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Thomas you obviously have no idea what a joke is

yeah Chip, Thomas is UBERSMART and not too quick on the uptake...so yeah...im the amatuer...

Cheer up Thomas Grand. Life is good ;o)

@ yellowdog

I would hope that you equally pointed out the obvious other folks who are doing exactly what your asking of the moderators.

Since I came onto FR, the very frist post is a slam, and it is generally started by, wait for it, Fei, oh well you know

I would hope that you equally pointed out the obvious other folks who are doing exactly what your asking of the moderators.

Unfortunately I doubt it...Yellowdog is one of the more pleasant lefties, i'll give him that but his crusade for equallity has been overshadowed by his hypocrisy. And to claim my rationale as juvenile is moot considering the environment was created before I came here myself.

Repojam

Houston!

Dick Cheney said the don't matter. Except when there's a Democratic president and the Republicans need some excuse to slow down the economic recovery from the near-depression that THEY created.

So because a guy said they didn't matter when you disagreed with him politically, now it's okay because he said it in the past but when he said it, it was seen as ridiculous?

Partisan politics confuses me.

The English language is what confuses you. Where did I say it's "OK"? You're projecting your own hypocrisy onto me. Projection is a common wingnut tactic.

Deficits are not "OK", but it's the unemployment problem that needs to be addressed now. Deficits are a long-term problem.

So no one wants to call out the Senate from my previous post? I will. If you want to look for obstructionists look no further than the Senate. Bill after bill has been tossed to the side. No vote, no mark up, no action. Even if the bill is garbage the proper thing to do is to at least bring it up for discussion. Why is none of this happening? Why has none of this been happening for the past 5 years?

Yellowdog:

You and I have had some interesting conversations over the time we have been here.

There are very few people who post I ignore. Spanky was one, because he derailed the thread to himself, and it was just pointless to try to engage with him. He simply wasn't worth it.

Caesar is the other. He is here to fan the flames of discord, based on his own personal agenda. Based on the same reasons I ignored Spanky, I ignore him. If you respond to him, he is happy that he is somehow validated. By ignoring him, you remove that reward.

I haven't decided to do that with Talk yet. Sometimes you can have a decent conversation with him. But if he continues on with the personal attacks, he will also be ignored.

CA - Don't let these tools bother you. They are just being partisan and have no other way to vent their frustration with their own team. They know this admin is a joke and history of Obama will overshadow all of the past 43. My children will laugh as I regale them with tales of lunacy from the left.

DingleB

Let's say some Republicans, especially those who were silent in the Bush years are indeed hypocrites. Let's also admit to ourselves that deficits really do matter. How do you justify continued deificits of about $1 trillion a year?

The 2013 deficit is projected to be LESS than $1 trillion this year. But the deficit hysteria still remains at a fever pitch despite the fact that budget slashing now is crippling the economic recovery.

Let me guess, it's Bush's fault?

The economic disaster of 2007-2008 was Bush's fault. Whether you admit it or not, we are still living with the consequences of eight years of incompetent Republican governance.

Houston!

Repojam

Houston!

Dick Cheney said the don't matter. Except when there's a Democratic president and the Republicans need some excuse to slow down the economic recovery from the near-depression that THEY created.

So because a guy said they didn't matter when you disagreed with him politically, now it's okay because he said it in the past but when he said it, it was seen as ridiculous?

Partisan politics confuses me.

The English language is what confuses you. Where did I say it's "OK"? You're projecting your own hypocrisy onto me. Projection is a common wingnut tactic.

Deficits are not "OK", but it's the unemployment problem that needs to be addressed now. Deficits are a long-term problem.

The English language doesn't confuse me, but you taking Cheney's words out of context then using it to back an argument is what you did.

Help me out with where I am projecting my own hypocrisy, please, I'm confused. Additionally, please help me out with where I am a "wingnut". Let me guess, because I took issue with the way you were defending and projecting a statement that was made 8 years ago and applying it to today when it's been widely disagreed with and thumped about by the party in question and a member who made it, that must mean that you think I'm a Republican, right?

Should I perhaps suggest that calling someone a hypocrite and a name like a wingnut is another common tactic? That definitely leads to a fruitful discussion.

Who am I kidding, I suspect you are likely not after it, but if I am incorrect, I would like to actually continue a conversation. Thanks.

But if he continues on with the personal attacks, he will also be ignored.

Really? Coming from NDDR. That is rich. Bye, ignore me you tool. You will continue to be laughed at behind your back.

Chip D-2844144

Houston!,

And i'm sure you can link all those reports from none left wing sources right?

And I'm sure that you consider all sources to be left wing if they're not Fox News or Breitbart. com. How's that "Friends of Hamas" thing going for you?

Repojam:

The English language doesn't confuse me, but you taking Cheney's words out of context then using it to back an argument is what you did.

I was being charitable. You're just lying. I did NOT say deficits are "OK" as you falsely claimed. Why should I bother responding to your lies?

I thought "tax loopholes" were simply errors in the tax code that tend to permit a form of tax evasion, and I thought tax evasion is illegal, but the GOP are referring to tax loopholes as if they're some kind of intended "tax break".

In my view, no matter how you slice it, tax loopholes don't amount to "tax law" or intentional tax cuts, so they should be closed.

Tax loopholes sound a lot like "unjust enrichment" to me.

TO: Repojam who wrote:

"... ["Deficits don't matter] ... you['re] taking Cheney's words out of context..."

No one in the world took those words out of context, and it's equally unmistakeable that Republicans are trying to change the meaning of EVERYTHING that was said and done during the 8 years of Republican Domestic Terrorism by way of the Bush Administration.

Really? Coming from NDDR. That is rich. Bye, ignore me you tool. You will continue to be laughed at behind your back.

Yeah, laughable coming from one of the treehouse gang. SOrry, we all dont carry pom poms and water for King Hussein..so NDD10 perhaps she can explain whats different between W and King H?

Perhaps the best explanation will be to call me ignorant.

American Girl-724855

No one in the world took those words out of context, and it's equally unmistakeable that Republicans are trying to change the meaning of EVERYTHING that was said and done during the 8 years of Republican Domestic Terrorism by way of the Bush Administration.

Houston!: Dick Cheney said the don't matter. Except when there's a Democratic president and the Republicans need some excuse to slow down the economic recovery from the near-depression that THEY created.

Because that's precisely what he was implying when he said they didn't matter. It was only okay for Republicans to do it, but Democrats can't.

Amazing, how this article characterizes the economy as sluggish, however, when the jobs report came out the economy was growing. I wish the media would make up their minds.

Here is the CONTEXT for Cheney's "deficits don't matter" quote. There's no way to misconstrue what he said then, and there's no way for Republicans to escape from their rank hypocrisy:

http://www.ontheissues.org/2004/Dick_Cheney_Budget_+_Economy.htm

Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill was told "deficits don't matter" when he warned of a looming fiscal crisis.

O'Neill, fired in a shakeup of Bush's economic team in December 2002, raised objections to a new round of tax cuts and said the president balked at his more aggressive plan to combat corporate crime after a string of accounting scandals because of opposition from "the corporate crowd," a key constituency.

O'Neill said he tried to warn Vice President Dick Cheney that growing budget deficits-expected to top $500 billion this fiscal year alone-posed a threat to the economy. Cheney cut him off. "You know, Paul, Reagan proved deficits don't matter," he said, according to excerpts. Cheney continued: "We won the midterms (congressional elections). This is our due." A month later, Cheney told the Treasury secretary he was fired.

The vice president's office had no immediate comment, but John Snow, who replaced O'Neill, insisted that deficits "do matter" to the administration.

Why waste time on Peppermint Patty's (FAILED chairperson of the Budget Deficit Reduction Committee) $ 1,000,000,000 in NEW TAXES while finishing the job of DECIMATING our military forces.

So, to use a Progressive phrase: "It is totally UN-AMERICAN."

And the flock of sheepies are getting into goose step mode.

Really love Mr. Obama's "charm offensive at the Capital": say one thing then do another. Oh yeah, it is ONLY FOR THE MEDIA.

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BTW: Time for Mr. Obama to SHOW SOME LEADERSHIP and tell his 40 White House Staffers, and some of their aides, IF THEY DON'T PAY THEIR BACK IRS TAXES........THEY ARE FIRED ! Heck, how can anyone expect him to lead the country when he cannot LEAD his staffers.

The so-called tax loopholes are legitimate deductions. I believe what the Senate is asking is that those deductions (or as the Senate wrongly characterizes them, loopholes) that benefit the "rich" and corporations be closed. While I not necessarily opposed to the deductions that favor the rich, I do want to know why the money won't lower the deficit rather the another "stimulus" bill. And any deduction removed from corporations will only result in higher costs, thus raising the prices of the products or services provided by those same corporations. That, in turn, hurts the working class and poor the hardest. So, be careful what you ask for as you just might get it.

[Coming from NDDR. That is rich. Bye, ignore me you tool. You will continue to be laughed at behind your back.]

Aww, isn't that precious...

Spanky angry...SPANKY SMASH!!!

They just all eat from from the same bucket of sh!t and it's so hard to tell them apart.

Hey Tom, no problem. The other difference between the two is how they treat their wimmin' folk. Being a Californian, Spanky kept his in line by dragging her by the hair to the local Outback and mashing her face into the all you can eat salad bar, followed by stuffing a giant Aussie steak down her throat. Morgs simply uses the old tried-and-true process of his belt followed by a backhand blow to the jaw. Either way, their idea of a 'good time' has something to be desired.

I'd be interested in anyone can name 1 tax loophole that a rich person can claim that a poor person can't? I'm not talking about ones the rich can afford, but ANY loophole a rich person BY LAW only get.

Houston!,

Again, you ignore that Bush's average deficit was 10% of the budget... Obama's has been 40%. If you can't understand the difference... well that's your fault.

TO: Joe in Albany who wrote:

"...Looks like the Supreme Court will have an opportunity to explain to Barry that he was only elected to be the President, not the King of the USA..."

Only the wackos refer to the President of the United States as "King".

RedDevPS

Stay classy. Woman beating jokes aren't funny.

Houston! et al

Here is an interesting article which comes pretty close to being a non-partisan attempt at explaining the origins and perpetuation of this myth that "deficits don't matter." It's Modern Monetary Theory, and it's wrong:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/modern-monetary-theory-is-an-unconventional-take-on-economic-strategy/2012/02/15/gIQAR8uPMR_story_1.html

It isn't Bush/Cheney OR Obama. It is all of the above.

AG and you never called Bush Hitler???

TO: Bill, Fairfax VA who wrote:

"Obamacare and the Ryan Budget - Paul Ryan's budget proposes the elimination of Obamacare. After the professional left stopped laughing, they managed to compose themselves enough to point out that prospect was quite unrealistic and therefore the Ryan budget was not to be taken seriously..."

Correct. Because it's not even "likely" that Obamacare would be overturned, why would Paul Ryan put it in any "budget" and yes of course it makes it seem like Ryan's budget is nothing more than a right wing fantasy.

AG, couldn't the Trillion in new taxes also be called a left wing fantasy?

TO: Chip D-2844144 who wrote:

"AG, couldn't the Trillion in new taxes also be called a left wing fantasy?"

Is that in Ryan's Budget too?

The economic disaster of 2007-2008 was Bush's fault. Whether you admit it or not, we are still living with the consequences of eight years of incompetent Republican governance.

Even if that were true, we're not currently doing anything to avoid another economic disaster which is the inevitable result of our ballooning debt if we don't get it under control. That is where the "it was Bush's fault" argument loses validity.

The truth is that the economic disaster was the result of easy credit made possible by the Federal Reserve. Without the Federal Reserve's meddling, the "Great Recession" never happens.

I'd be interested in anyone can name 1 tax loophole that a rich person can claim that a poor person can't?

Gee Chippy, you are right, we all have the same tax loopholes available at our finger tips. Now, if I could just figure out where I last parked my corporate provided jet, built my second house, stable my racehorse, put a cow in my backyard, buy and depreciate a NASCAR race car, and sell the rights to my #1 hit song - I could drive my tax rate into the single digits like all my other poor friends.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/private-jet-security-write-10-most-insane-tax-loopholes

Would the Earned Income Credit qualify as a "loophole" for the poor ? A "poor" person can have a job with low income, pay NO FEDERAL TAX but get a federal refund !

Gee RedDevPOS .... maybe your argument isn't so fool proof as some fools would like us all to beleive !!

jim #'s -- Why is it the Righties only complain that we, as a Nation, help the poorest amongst us? You guys are so concerned with getting every last penny the poor may have in their pocket and ignore all the outrageous loopholes, subsidies and credits the well off and business receive via our tax code?????

The EIC has been in place since 1975. This is an anti-poverty measure.

It's shameful you turn your head on the poor and worse yet feel a need to denigrate them!

BTW -- They pay FEDERAL PAYROLL TAXES, mister. Go educate yourself EBENEZER!

Actually, from time to time, deficits don't really matter, and don't matter nearly as much now as these tea bag republicans and certain Libertarians claim. Fact, even with full employment here, at any time of higher than normal spending we are likely to experience deficit and debt, at least for a time. Recessions, wars, depressions etc., have historically brought on such, and reasonable so. Really too, this screaming about deficits by these republican con artists are without honest care. If they were in power, you can bet we would continue to have deficits and mounting debt, yet their concerns then would be mute.

Consider "Dingle B" post # 1.29: "Deficit spending takes money from the private sector and redistributes it to the wealthy businesses who SOMETIMES have no bid contracts with the federal government". "It distorts markets and contributes to economic inequality". I guess a Government aiming at such a purpose could direct such to that, but there's much more probability our deficit spending and resulting debt are the result of wars, Corporate welfare, bloated Government contractors, special and warped considerations to and for Wall street, and at the same time, contrasting a lot of seniors on Social Security and medicare, unemployment compensation, and certainly some aid to the growing poor. Various state aid, and they need it, contribute much also. If we really wish to do something of substance toward the reduction of spending money we owe ourselves, and maybe one day repaying ourselves, we need to go all out for Full Employment of all our people at wages commensurate to our cost of living here. Otherwise, no matter what we do, even running the circle the other way, we will continue to run deficits and accrue debt.

destroying the health care system for the American people." sarcasmous

truth... any increase spending bad program make it worse; bad programs can't be fixed, attempts to fix expands people vested in keeping it and their trough.

Euphemism affordable health care, tithe empowers extreme corrupt health care system, much worse than when medieval church had tithing. I know, you think white coat people wouldn't do that insurance kickback scheme veiled, more pie get themselves high seat in social order monopoly.