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Subscribe to RSSThe Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday advanced legislation requiring all gun buyers to get a background check, voting along party lines to send a version of the bill to the full Senate.
But the bill passed in committee does not represent the legislative language that both sides ultimately expect the full Senate to consider.
Instead, it's a Democratic version of a background check bill, voted upon by the committee because a bipartisan group of negotiators haven't yet been able to compromise on its specifics.
"I've been talking and continuing to talk to colleagues across the political spectrum and across the aisle about a compromise approach, and I remain optimistic that we'll be able to roll one up," Sen. Chuck Schumer said at the Judiciary Committee's meeting on Tuesday. "But we're not there yet."
Senators are working on a package that would require all gun buyers to get a background check before they buy a gun. Under current law, only licensed dealers have to get a background check from a buyer before they sell a firearm. The bipartisan group had agreed on some exceptions, including one for people selling or giving guns to family members.
If that group -- led by Democrats Schumer and Joe Manchin and including Republican Sen. Mark Kirk -- can find common ground, the bill they produce is expected to become the centerpiece of President Barack Obama's gun control agenda in the Senate.
Those negotiations stalled when Republican Sen. Tom Coburn -- who carries an "A" rating from the National Rifle Association -- couldn't agree with Democrats about whether to require private sellers to keep records of the guns they sell.
Schumer and Manchin are now looking for a second Republican co-sponsor, preferably someone with a top NRA rating. They've reached out to a number of GOP lawmakers, including Sens. Jeff Flake, Susan Collins and Johnny Isakson. Schumer is now taking meetings with some of those Republicans.
Senators also advanced a school safety measure on Tuesday. That bill had bipartisan support.
This story was originally published on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:21 AM EDT
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what a joke, no balls any where!big talkers little doers. where is the ban on assualt rifles? where is the national registration? once again, who are you protecting for it certainly not the children.
Well, since those are significant and likely unreasonable infringements I would imagine they are non-starters.
With this universal background bill is also attached a gun registry scheme,which the liberal biased media and the gun grabbers aren't talking about...A national gun registry could very well lead to confiscation and that is not an option..period.
Confiscation for what? Are you scared of your govt?
Scared, no. But do I trust my government? Not so much these days.
So do you think the govt is going to confiscate your guns and come kill you or put you in a camp because you dont agree with them?
Do I think it will happen? No, probably not. Do I think it could happen? Yes, most certainly. It has happened enough times in other parts of the world that to ignore the risk of it would be foolish.
But that does not happen here and with all the guns on and off the record, it will be impossible for them to even try and take guns from citizens. Who will carry out these orders anyways? Military made up of citizens?
Charles, actually, it has happened here. The Native Americans and Japanese Americans are good examples of how our own government can turn. Now that said I still agree that its not likely but it is one of the reasons we have many of our rights.
And you speak of things that happened within the last 40 years?
The people of Germany did not fear Hitler in the beginning, those people were of Jewish and Polish descent...Hitler disarmed Germany and then he carried on....yes it could happen here and a perverse military that does not take its first oath to defend the Constitution over the president, (just a little thing our forfathers thought of, like what if we elected a Hitler). Spend more time on history than surfing for new shades......LOL, history has a way of repeating itself.
Charles,
But it could happen here. I do not trust the federal government and I worked for it.
Not 40 years, how about 70 years? It happened.
We have never been as divided since the Civil War. Nothing is impossible.
I have to agree with willow and NC here. Looking at just the last 40 years is foolish. We may as well say "look only at 1941-1946" and declare that the US does this sort of thing all the time.
Its just highly unlikely
It is, thats true. We still have fire extinguishers in our homes and first aid kits in our cars just in case as well. Just because something is unlikely doesnt mean you ignore that it can happen.
the problem is charles when you look at history it has a problem of repeating itself.
point in case look at vietnam, happened 40 years before the iraq and afghanistan war. yet we did not learn from vietnam, instead we entered two more wars just like it.
Now that you bring it up, Obama is already trying to create one. WHY DOES Obama need a civilian police force "just as powerful, just as well funded as the military" ??????????? His words, not mine. You blindly and naively think that it just can't happen here and that it is ridiculous to think it could. Very dangerous mind set.
Unlikely maybe. Impossible? absolutely not! Look at what D.C. did. They put laws into efect that were eventually labeled unconstitutional. You could have a gun. But it couldn't be a functioning one for your protection. You are watching our government and many large cities around the country trying to follow in those steps. A little at a time but always getting more restrictive while doing nothing to curb the criminal element. They're not interested in curbing the criminals. Remember, they're providing them with their reasons to ban guns.
Want to bring out a bunch of brain dead sheet for brains gun nuts,,let's talk about updating the second amendment,and the old outdated GOP at the same time.
Most of these gun turds have never fired military style weapons,just shooting of their old fat mouths.
Ah yes, no day would be complete without Bullet insulting folks and advocating that we give up our way of life.
If guns are a way of life then you people must live a very sad life and is probably haunted by death
@ Charles
back at it are you....
Tell me this wise man, how did Hitler start? Trick question because I gave you the answer already but you seem not to remember..
Not so Charles. I enjoy the meals that come from the animals I hunt. I have wonderful days out at the property plinking at tin cans and such. I suspect you are a city dweller so I imagine most of this is foreign to you but in the rural and some suburban areas guns are a common part of life and in no way associated with death and fear.
Also, when I refer to "our way of life" I am also speaking of the historical foundations of our country, our rights, and the tradition of firearms ownership we have.
Lasertroll, when you try to use hitler in an argument like this, you pretty much lose creditability and will not be taken serious. But keep at it, its not the first time you used the same rhetoric.
Free, I understand you like to hunt but ive been hunting too and a .22 rifle worked just fine.
Yes, I like my guns. Yes I have fired military rifles, M1 carbine, M16, M1A. How about you ahole. Hopefully your girl will get raped and you will change your tune about having a gun and being a gun nut.
Ok, now I have to ask Charles...what where you hunting with a 22?
Deer
@ Charles
That is the best you have. Yeah you failed history I guess.
Explain why you say that how did I lose creditability do we not learn from history?
Is that not why they are making this law to stop what happen in history?
And you a hunter LOL yeah like Obummer skeet shooting....
.22 what you hunting cats?
well charles you do realize it is illegal to hunt deer with a 22 rifle. i see you enjoy breaking the law.
Now Charles, I do have to call BS here. 22 is in no way suitable for deer. In many many states that is illegal because its unlikely to provide a clean kill and is considered inhumane.
Its not illegal in WV for one, And lasertroll lets keep remembering things that happend 70 years ago because what hitler did has been repeated so many times in nations like ours. Btw loosen up the tin foil hat please
charles using a 22 is illegal in west virginia for hunting deer. i have hunted in west virginia numerous times with a friend i served with in the airforce. heck i just got on their fish and game website, and guess what it even states that rimfire weapons are illegal to use for deer.
Bullet,
Your ignorance of guns is epic.....astounding, amazing, and typical of a liberal.
"Military style" means....what?
Charles,
Saying it could never happen here is the best way of ensuring that it could happen here.
It is illegal in West Virginia to use a .22 rifle for hunting deer. The smallest legal caliber is .25 caliber and those are a bit meaner than a .22. Source:
http://www.wvdnr.gov/hunting/Regs1213/Deer_Buck.pdf
like everyother anti gun person charles probably has no real clue about the difference in firarms, such as rimfire and center fire.
@ Charles
Let us look in the last 10 years than.
Osama Bin laden, Iran leader, North korean leader, Syra Leader, and many more think like Hitler.
What was that saying
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana
@eric
As Charles would say:
Rimfire is when you sit in a rim of a car and shoot, center fire is when you shoot from the center of the car..
Charles Sosa ( gangster )
Who's the @!$%# who stated they hope someone gets raped? Are you serious? You should be ashamed.
That would be someone who agrees with my point of view on gun ownership but, sadly the similarities stop there.
Arizonaboy, please go away. People like you are the ones giving people like me a bad name. I refuse to associate myself with someone who wishes evil on someone's daughter.
More time and money on another law that is already a law nice and all you praising it..
There is a law in place for straw sales of guns so with that in mind this is more tax money going up in smoke.
Just ask Gabby's hubby......
This law will not help, work or do any good.
So when it passes the Dems will be happy for nothing......
I don't care but think it is stupid, like criminals will do this right? They follow the law right?
When the next shooting happens I will be there to say oh look it did not work as I am saying now..
You want to stop it wake up keep criminals in jail and keep mentals on meds.
See now there is a law to make all mental nuts have to take meds if they fail lock them up.
Oh, there is no law for this why? Because it removes his freedom of choice wow really....
But yet you all want this, just stupid...........
charles does not follow the law he hunts deer with a 22
So it seems republicans believe that the govt is gonna take their guns and kill then for voicing their opinion about the govt. Well that will not need to happen because republicans are in the minority on most issues anyways and soon will be out the way of progress
Funny how "progress" seems to be nothing but the destruction of our traditions and history. It doesnt have to be that way, just saying. We can expand rights, look at new ways of doing things, and still respect our rights.
@ Charles
Give it up dude you have no clue of any history...
@charliethe fool
I suppose you have all you facts in order about republicans being the minority on most issues. So show them to me or shut up useful fool. If you mean in the way of moving backward yew we are in the way. Never mind your picture says it all.
Lasertroll, lmao all you people talk about is history as if it dictates our future.
Tomas, Um if you need me to post all the issues that republicans are in the minority on, then you have obviously got your tinfoil hat on too tight. But if anything, just look at approval ratings of republicans right now. Trust me its real pathetic
@ Charles
Then we don't need this law right. It is the past and history right?
Now I see why you voted for Obummer..
Thanks for making my point.......
like we are going to listen to an admitted law breaker like yourself charles.
Charles, our history is what we have built on as a foundation. Yes, there are many issue where the Republicans are on the unpopular side..does that make them wrong? Maybe, maybe not. For myself I think that we should be open to those issues that expand rights. I dont agree on the role of government and I dont agree on limiting rights though.
Look at 2010 Charles. Democrats were in the same place many Republicans are now. Apparently you are not a fan of history (only forward thinking) but history shows that party politics are a funny thing, and the pendulum swings very quickly, so don't buy all of the confetti yet.........
Obama's ratings have slipped on the se-castration debacle he so highly touted, and he is back peddling faster than he is able. American don't like him thinking the White House is his house, and the cuts he is running around talking about are merely ways to try and swing public opinion. The polls say he is wrong.
Bottom line.......Democrats can easily be in the dumper in 2014. They said Republicans were dead after the 2008 election, and they bounced back quite convincibly in 2010.
Yea there is the past of 70 years and the past of a few months. I think ima be more worried about what has happened recently,
Yea republicans did good in 2010 but got whacked in 2012 all across the bored but you feel 2010 stats are more accurate than 2012. Obama's approval rating is higher than any republican and polls show that people are losing respect for republicans. It all explains their attempt to change voting rule, redraw districts and continue their efforts to suppress votes
If we are being honest people are losing respect for EVERYONE in Washington regardless of party or position.
@ Charles
Let us look in the last 10 years than.
Osama Bin laden, Iran leader, North korean leader, Syra Leader, and many more think like Hitler.
LOL obummer has a 45% approval rate right now wow you don't know history and you don't know the present what the heck do you know?
What was that saying
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana
Ok Lasertroll, keep believing the govt is going to kill you one day, build your bunker stock up and grab as many guns as you can. I just choose to believe with the military made up of citizens and people being free thinking makes its highly unlikely.
Btw Obama's approval rating is still higher than any republican and i remember history just fine. Especially the past two elections and hear republicans bitch ever since
Charles, How can you be so wrong and still live?
In 2012, 243 Dems and 241 GOP were elected to federal office. Nothing changed; the WH still has Obama on vacation and the Dems still obstruct any progress in the Senate. The House returned to GOP control in a big way even though ALL of the seats were up for election. Uh oh! What happened???
Also, most governors are GOP (30) and most state legislatures are GOP (27). Uh oh! What happened, Dems?
GOP controlled the House in 2010 so after the census, the gerrymandering was basically unchanged. Your next chance to get the leftist gerrymandering is 2020.
So, once again, Charles, you need to look beyond the few catch phrases in the liberal media and look around.
You are just too gullible.
@Charles
You really don't know history because of armed civilians you are not a slave any more. Your welcome..
You really need to wake up from this dream of yours.........
Deer hunting with a .22 lol funny to a point I want a video....
Ok republicans lost seats in the senate and congress, approval rating has tanked to the low 20's. Most issues like this, republicans seem to be on the wrong side of most issues and yet you feel like they are not losing votes? Ask Newt, Karl Rove and Jindel about it, they will tell you that republicans are in trouble in future elections
Charles,
And what was the change in the end? Nothing. What happened to all of that leftist rage? Hmm?
@ Charles
No GOP losing because of people like you don't care about anything but themselves.
and if you look in history no Obummer does not have the highest against the GOP but you don't know history so no need to teach it..
But here is a link for you
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/obama-approval-rating_n_2816045.html
Well I guess Charles did not like being called out and ran away...
Hope he does not use that .22 on deer again.... LMFAO
lasertroll
Anyone who still uses moronic insults like "Obummer" is childish and unworthy to engage in an adult conversation.
@ Don
Yep you just a trollin..
You do such a good job..
Not on thing you say is about the subject..
Keep on trollin dude........
Obama's approval rating has dropped from 54% to 46% in one week. I have a feeling that he will continue to drop if he doesn't do something about his shopping spree on our dime & over reaching on the gun issues.
don97524
Wet Willy
You had a fantasy dream about "Obama's ultimate goal" and now you have decided that it's true. That is exactly the kind of thinking that caused me to call you irrational in the first place. Keep on believing everything Wayne LaPierre tells you and you will continue to be a dupe for the misinformation campaign bought and paid for by the gun manufacturers.
@don97524
Really Don fantasy dream are you so shallow that you can't see what this President is setting up.I served my country in Viet Nam and the last thing I will ever trust about this administration is gun control. I don't know how old you are but the reality is Obama's a Marxist Socialist liberal and is working with the UN on disarming the American citizens for a world government. Gun registration will lead to gun confiscation by some bureaucrat that deems them as harmful to the American people. We have a constitution for a reason and it is not some old rag to be discarded for ones personal politics over another. Look what is happening in Canada if you open that door your letting them in for changes that affect your rights in other segments of your life.
@Tomass
Well, once again your fixation on my underwear surfaces. Why not explain your fetish?
"I can see you sitting there in your depends" -- YOUR FANTASY DISCLOSED IN PUBLIC! (You know about fantasies, you even mentioned it in post above #57)
You are right, you are not my type. I am straight....a claim you cannot make, pervert
I do not debate nor discuss with perverts. You need to go back to the 9 year old boy and apologize for what you did to him.
You are the one with the perverted fixation on my underwear....nuff said!
PERVERTED COWARD = TOMAS1969 (even 69 in your name!)
@saywhat
Nice to see you here stalking me on the Internet. Well jump in on the subject at hand I sure can use a laugh here.
@Tomass
Well, once again your fixation on my underwear surfaces. Why not explain your fetish?
Hahahaha you got slammed in 56.4
Geez, Commodore SayWhat is back on the stool. Here comes the dysentery!
Wet Willy
How is that stock market doing under the administration of a "Marxist Socialist."? You just outed yourself as an out of touch, willfully ignorant partisan goofball. Your obvious bias stands in the way of any possible rational thought.
i have always had a background check done on any private sale i have ever done, cover your own ass i always say. the back ground check on a private sale is not that hard to do. you just go to your local gun shop and have them run a check on the person you are selling the gun to. the fee is not that much to do this, usually only around 25 dollars. i have the buyer pay the fee if they want the gun, that helps eliminate any scumbags.
Well, the money can be a problem for some people and for those our in rural areas the "local FFL" might be hours away. That said I am a fan of selling to folks who have CHLs. I know those folks have had a check and gone through some training so there is a level of comfort in the sale.
for myself freegecko i buy high end guns. every gun i own or have sold in the past will run in the thousand dollar range. i think if a person can afford the grand plus for my gun, they can easily afford the 25 dollars. the local gun shop is about an hour away, i to live in a rural area, but worth the drive for me in the sake of safety.
Eric, thats nice and those are good guns. A lot of the folks I know are in the $400 and under range and every dollar counts.
that is true free. i quit smoking awhile back and put the money into guns as an incentive to quit.
Thats some good incentive right there. Good job giving that up.
I would ask Chuck Shumer to see if he can get legislatures, who oppose background checks for family members who are given guns by another family member, to at least agree to get the gun registered in the recipient's name in the same manner a car is registered to a recipient. By the gun being registered, a record is made and the recipient becomes totally responsibe for his/her use of the gun. Otherwise, the giver would be equally responsible for the recipient's negligence or illegal use of the gun.
No, registration is a total non-starter and that one we will fight tooth and nail. In most every case that has been the prelude to confiscation.
Charles seems to be one of those taco bending bean bandits from mexico that's afraid of his own shadow. The men all have mustaches so you can tell the men from the women. They all act so feminine.
Again? Come on guys, stop with the personal attacks. They do no good at helping people see our side of the issue.
Im actually black and dominican but im glad you are keeping true to your racist ways. Typical republian
yet you break the law and hunt deer with a 22, either that or you are a liar who doesnt have a real clue about guns.
Well, that turned out poorly....
Well, AZ boy there hopes some one's girl gets raped. I was not holding out any hope, Free.
How do we reduce the number of guns in the hands of criminals?
Let's look at the case of long-time fugitive James "Whitey" Bulger. The man is now in his mid-80's, and had been "on the run" for 16 years when nabbed in Santa Monica. He has been charged with 19 murders but is thought to be the behind many dozens more here in the Boston area. When caught, federal investigators found 29 firearms, including pistols, revolvers, shotguns and rifles, tucked away in Bulger's apartment.
The Feds were able to trace all of these guns but only, in most cases, to the first buyer, at which point the guns disappear into the world of private gun owners/dealers. Federal law prohibits the Feebs from maintaining a computerized database of firearms sales, this the result of a rider on a bill pushed by gun-lobby-funded gutless republicans. Most states do not require private owners to keep records---gutless state and local republicans this time---making the process of tracking a gun from one buyer to another time consuming, at best, and often impossible.
You hear from NRA types, "Oh criminals can always get guns. They steal them."
No, they buy them. Whitey Bulger didn't steal any of those 29 guns. According to authorities he bought at least 16 of the 29 at gun shows in Nevada and Utah, and bought others from private sellers. The most famous fugitive in the US looked these gun dealers and gun owners in the eye and bought 29 guns.
There's a chance these sellers didn't recognize him. Hard to imagine, since he was added to the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List in 1999, the same year that Osama bin Laden. So its very likely they knew he was a killer and might use these guns to kill again.
The old adage, "guns don't kill people, people do," means that it is okay, in our twisted effing gun culture, to make a profit selling a gun to a killer or to a crazy nutjob.
It's always somebody else's job to stop the killers. To eliminate the gangs. To lock up the psychopath. "The cops aren't doing their job!" cry the gun nuts. "The FBI and the ATF are pathetic!"
"We don't need more laws," whine the gun nuts and talking heads. Truth is, we have no FEDERAL laws requiring background checks on private transactions. NONE.
Y'see, I'd like to know who sold those 29 guns to Whitey. I'd also like to know who sold 18 guns to Richard Schmidt, the right-wing Neo-Nazi felon they caught up in Michigan. I'd like to see these "responsible gun owners" and "responsible gun dealers" indicted, tried and thrown in jail. Lets make it easier for the Feds to find the 5% of gun dealers, and 5% of private gun owners, who are arming the criminals, the nutjobs, and yes the terrorists.
When you're at the range firing your AR-15, you are entitled to your little "Red Dawn" fantasy about using your gun against the darkies. In the real world, not so much.
Gutless.
Thanks for admitting you're gutless. I assumed you were a total coward not just 99%.
Bob: I disagree with most everything you had to say, but I respect your right to say it, until you spoke this;
That simply proved that you, yourself are far more gutless than the Republicans you enjoy castigating. Your pathetic use of race stereotypes is unjustifiable, and plainly moronic and childish. I will not defend your right to do that.
And, Bob is a bigot as well.
An excellent post Bob, unfortunately it'll fall on deaf ears. Most of these gun nuts aren't capable of thinking for themselves.
The "gutless" responses are the most telling. They call someone gutless even though they feel they need an advantage (a gun) to protect themselves.
They're all brothers of George Zimmerman. My suggestion to all gun nuts it to go and buy some Extenze. If it's as good as advertised it'll cure their desire to buy an arsenal of phallic symbols
Be sure the first background check ran is on Barack Obama!!
Those checks were done in 2008 idi0t.
Can you say SECRET SERVICE? FBI?
You get background checked at walmart but not for president of the USA. Yea you make a lot of sense
Charles...
You have a lot to learn. The background checks for President, Vice-President are extremely intense. Even Romney had to disclose information he did not want to release.
Take a civics course...you might learn something.
As if Rear Admiral Say What has a clue.
Far more of a clue than you will ever have, NC..(N=No C=Clue)
Vice Admiral SayWhat,
No, you have no clue. Anyone who wastes cells reading your posts can see that.
Came out of the basement today, eh?
NC......
Go play with your "privates"...you need the cheap thrill...
If this bill passes there is a simple way to resolve the self-protection issue. Buy a few cheap guns legally so the Democrat Storm Troopers have something to seize. Buy the real weaponry illegally and don't register it. Democrats are simpletons andwill never figure it out.
@Skibum....
Real clever posting that....like they cannot get your IP address?
The Secret Service will love your post! Why not just post your name and address and save them the time?
Skibum is a simpleton and will never figure out what a stupid post he made.
Much as I detest Say What I have to agree...encouraging folks to violate the law is probably unwise.
FreeGecko...
Neither you nor I need a fan club to recognize posts as idiotic as #63
FreeGecko isn't that what a gun ban is doing. They are going against the Constitution which is the law of the land so our government is being illegal so why shouldn't we
I agree that the gun proposals are mostly violations of our second amendement rights. I also am aware enough to know that some of them will still stand up to the reasonable restriction allowed per the SCOTUS. Before we all go rogue lets see what actually passes and try working within the system to change. If that doesnt work, sure, then we can have a different conversation.
Thanks Sen. Kirk for not bending over and letting yourself get violated by the NRA.
Tell me what good a gun ban will do . Chicago has a total gun ban yet they were the murder capitol of the states. Mexico has a gun ban and they were the murder capitol of the planet.
Charles is a lost cause...With the Hitler argument he said you loose credibility....explain that to the millions that died and their families...explain that to the thousands that died in WW2, explain that to the families, so that he can live in these FREE UNITED STATES, FREE EUROPE, FREE AFRICA, and yes because of those efforts a FREE EASTERN EUROPE. Explain his thinking to the Japanese of this country that were loyal and tolerated the horrific treatment of them by our government...and then forgave. Explain to him that history repeats it's self and has a memory longer than 40 years. He is a looser looking for his best deal on new shades.
Yes lets just let history dictate our future. They will take our guns and kill us because it happened once in history. At yet you speak of nothing current and that is what wrong with republicans now. All you live in the 1950s and american has already said you all are a lost cause
Yes, Charles, let us just ignore history and then be surprised when it happens again.
charles those who do not let history dictate their future are bound to make the same mistakes of the past.
Ignoring history is foolish. Only looking at history to decide the future is foolish as well. We can actually use both in determining what our nation becomes.
Yea because what hitler did is highly likely to be repeated <yawn>
charles it has been repeated in many nations just recently. atrocities like what hitler did has been repeated in bosnia, somalia, iraq ( the kurds). i have served in all those countries to help end such atrocities.
@Charles
20 children get killed only happened one time so why are we making new laws for them?
By what you are saying we don't need new laws because it happened one time and it is history...
If some of you had even a rudimentary understanding of history, you'd know that when the Constitution was passed, we had no police force protecting our people and we just fought a war on our own soil. Thus, a very different view on guns.
Read the other writings from the time and maybe you will have a better understanding.
Charlie S
If you were hunting deer with a .22 you were breaking the law. I suspect you are full of excrement on that little non truth.
Well, I see the NRA shills, the paranoid fraidy cats and the male endowmently challenged are out in force today. One a-hole is talking about your mental condition being on the net so anyone who wishes can look you up, where he got that idea I don't know but assume from somewhere on Fox Noise.
My assumption is that when a private individual wants to sell a gun he/she would report the intended buyer to the local police who would do the background check, just as they now do for firearms dealers. That's it. No big deal. We report auto sales to the DMV and give them the name and address of the buyer.
Rick,
Nah.
NRA shills...you mean freedom loving Americans?
No Gecko, I meant what I said. You're living in a dream world if you think you're ready to take on the U.S. military. Let me add the second amendment says something about a "well regulated militia", you people building bunkers in your back yards don't constitute a well regulated militia.
Paranoia. Hysteria. Fantasy.
Why are they here, posting in such numbers? The survivalist wing of the NRA?
Paranoia. This isn't about protecting the innocent, they think. It isn't about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals or nut jobs. It is about them.
Hysteria. Small steps, we think, the universal background checks with a mental health linkage, the smaller magazines, limiting assault weapons. They think you'll be coming for their guns. You and the African-American in the White House. The other.
Fantasy. Their collective fantasy doesn't involve alleviating world hunger, or a Megabucks win, or some Hollywood starlet, it involves the defense of their homes and communities from tyranny. Red Dawn is the movie that gives them woodies, good American kids with their assault weapons holding off the "darkies".
You can't reason with them. All you can do is make them irrelevant.
Remember, only one in 3-4 American adults are gun owners. Only one in 15-20 gun owners is an NRA member. Only one in ten NRA members are the survivalists who show up here and spew drivel. I'll do the math for you: 1 in 500. They are organized, so each single shrill voice seems like dozens as they post on right-wing sites like Limbaugh's, left-wing sites like Maddow's and middle-of-the-road sites like this one.
Make them irrelevant. Write your reps at the state level and in DC. Do it today.
I write my reps every single day Bob. Of course you wouldnt like what I am asking them to do.
Bob,
I want to watch as you beat your head against the wal trying to remove American rights.
Pfffft! You and your kind are irrelevant..and impotent.
NC...
Speaking of "beating"...LOL!
Adam Lanza from Newtown (30 casualties), James Holmes from Aurora (70), Nidal Hasan from Ft. Hood (43), Steven Kazmierczak from Northern Illinois University (27), Seung-Hui Cho from Virginia Tech (56), Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold from Columbine High (39), Kipland Kinkel from Thurston High (29), Dean Mellberg from Fairchild Air Force Base (28), George Hennard from Luby's massacre (44), Patrick Purdy from the Stockton schoolyard (35), James Huberty from San Ysidro McDonald's massacre (41).
Would universal background checks, with a mental health linkage, have stopped one of these? Two? Or would limits on assault weapons or magazines have resulted in fewer casualties because one of these guys goes on his killing spree with a Glock instead of a TEC-9? Two? We can't know for sure.
It may not seem like much, but if it was your kid or grand-kid shot dead in one of these massacres you wouldn't be standing in the way.
I can absolutely positively assure you that you would get the heck out of the way.
Bob, you are wrong again. I have family members who have been victims of violent crime...and relevant to this topic they were shot. And guess what, I am doing my best to be in the way. Just because someone behaves badly doesnt mean we should lose our rights.
the true fix would be for those that behave badly and do the crime, would be for the criminal justice system to put the smack down on them. why should someone who follows the law be punished for what a criminal does? especially someone like myself who served their country faithfully for twenty years.
Perhaps the States should be following Federal law and submitting names to the NICS for mental illness.
It appears that several States haven't submitted ANY names or only 2 or 3 in the last 10 years or so.
Example Pennsylvania.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57564869/mental-health-reporting-gaps-cloud-background-checks/
Read the article for more States that don't follow Federal law.
Oh, good...Slodon, the biggest lying and hypocrite rears his ugly puss.
Actually, slodon is right here. That is a requirement today for the mental health info to be set to NICS but many states are just not doing. The penalties arent there and neither is any incentive so they just dont. Its a serious gap in the information and probably the most valuable one we could close to help with these issues from a gun standpoint.
Slodon is the biggest hypocrite on NewsVine...support him if you wish, but he is still a hypocrite.
He may be a hypocrite, I dont know...but I do know he is right about the mental health info going to NICS.
Saywhat?
Still spamming I see.
Bob in Boston
All registered Demoncraps hmmmmm!!! I think Oblama is looking at the wrong problem here we need to ban Demoncraps. Its a crap shoot in this country one wrong turn in the city could lead to your death should we all stay home.
Why are so many of you opposed to background checks to buy a weapon? What are you so afraid of coming to the light of day that you will fight background checks? You submit yourself now a days to background checks to get a job, join the military or get a security clearance, but to purchase a gun you rant and rave till your blue in the face against background checks. Guess you guys and gals have too many skeletons in your closets that you need to keep hidden.
No Glenn, the issue now is that we see this as a first step to confiscation and not as an individual act. And before you jump to the defense of the checks and say it isnt so you need to look at what the folks proposing this legislation have said. Many are openly for confiscation and many have said that this is a good first step in that direction. By itself the background checks, while I think useless for the problem we are trying to solve and still an infringement, would pass the reasonable restriction test and wouldnt be that big a deal provided there was not an associated fee.
The paranoid freaks believe the North Koreans will invade, take over, and come to their houses for the guns. Its that simple and, yes, that stupid.
Way to provide some rational info to the conversation Bob.
FreeGecko, "Many are openly for confiscation and many have said..." Okay champ, name us some names! Who are these "Many".
Scheumer and Fienstein to start. Google it, its not rocket science.
Don't forget Andrew Cuomo. Then there are the State Legislatures who have called for the confication of guns. Such as Democrats Rory Ellinger and Jill Schupp of Missori.
EDIT!!
Missouri.
Sorry.
Sorry, Gun Nuts: Hitler Actually Relaxed Most Gun Laws:
Here's the deal, oh, sweet, stupid gun nuts: Have a history lesson. Gun control laws had nothing to do with the rise of the Nazis or the Holocaust. In fact, they were initially part of the Treaty of Versailles at the end of World War I, punishing Germany by eliminating private ownership of guns. In the Weimar Republic, new laws liberalized gun ownership, allowing hunting rifles and more. The other gun control laws in Germany post-WWI were specifically put in to prevent armed takeover of the government by groups like the Nazi Party, which did not, in fact, stage a coup, but used electoralpower to solidify its hold on the government (along with the Gestapo and the repression of demonized Communist groups). In fact, Hitler and the Third Reich opened up gun ownership even more, even if they did ban all Jews from owning guns. Yeah, the 1938 law said "a hunting license entitles the holder to carry firearms and handguns." That was new. It also lowered the age of gun ownership from 20 to 18 and changed one-year permits to three-year.
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."
- Adolf Hitler
lasertroll
Anyone who believe that your Hitler quote has anything to do with this discussion is beyond help. Exaggeration and hyperbole might be a good arguing technique for a nine-year old, but please ..... spare us the bull@!$%#.
@ don
Sure ok whatever TROLL..
"Guns don't kill people. People do." - Adolf Hitler
Beantown Robbie
Assault weapons were banned back in the 1930s. Ignoramuses like yourself want to ban weapons based on appearance.
the reality is full auto weapons are not banned. you just have to go thru a more intensive back ground check. you then can buy the federal stamp to own one ( i plan on getting one once my house is payed off in two years). so let me say this, why are semi auto weapons being deemed evil to the point that they need to be banned, when full auto's are not banned?
If you think you need to be armed with assault weapons because you might have to fight a government that wants to take your assault weapons away through laws passed by a legally-elected body, you are a traitor and kind of a dick. And if that's the best you've got for your argument on why you need to have military style weapons, then you, dear, dumb friend, are believing a whole heaping shovelful of lies.
What a dick! LMAO!!!!
You keep thinking banning assault weapons will solve all mass shootings and criminal activities and I'll keep thinking a well armed law abiding citizenry will help to keep an over reaching government in check. Lets see who ends up wrong first!
Salsa...I have the simplest reason of all...it is my right. I am not required to have a need nor am I required to explain why to anyone.
Well the issue here is Salsa and the Mexican gangs come here illegally and hope they do take our guns then they can over take us..