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Subscribe to RSSRyan budget takes center stage again … Balances budget in 10 years, but he keeps ObamaCare Medicare savings while at the same time assuming the law’s repeal. But he says it’s not about the “how,” it’s about the “why.” … Bottom line: There’s not much compromise in Ryan’s budget -- and there likely isn’t much in the Democrats’ either. … Obama meets with Senate Democrats, where there will be some friction over his overtures to Republicans. … Do the politics of usual hamper the potential for a grand bargain? … CPAC starts Thursday – and the pizza vs. box will be on full display … Priebus goes to Brooklyn, as the party tries to go high tech.
*** Return of the Ryan budget: For the third time in the last three years, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan will once again unveil a budget today that conservatives will cheer, that liberals will despise, and that will kick off a debate over spending and budget priorities between the two parties. What pleases conservatives: It balances the budget within a 10-year timeframe (his previous ones waited until much longer to do that); it tackles entitlements (Medicare and Medicaid) as well as tax reform; and it isn’t shy about where it wants to take the country. What infuriates liberals: It ignores the election results from 2012 (Ryan and Romney largely campaigned on that budget last fall, especially the changes to Medicare, and lost); it cynically assumes ObamaCare’s $716 billion in Medicare cuts as a way to balance the budget in 10 years (despite Ryan saying he and Romney would restore those cuts during the campaign); and it also assumes the revenue from the fiscal-cliff tax increases (which a majority of House Republicans voted against). Ryan has an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal today about his plan. He leads off talking about the debt and emphasizes the “why” not “how” to get to a balanced budget. But bottom line: the only way Ryan got to a balanced budget in 10 years is using Obama’s tax increases and Obama’s Medicare cuts.
Jacquelyn Martin / AP file photo
House Budget Committee Chairman Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis. leaves a Republican caucus on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, Jan. 1, 2013.
*** Flashback: Just how much did Ryan campaign against the Medicare savings in ObamaCare, check out this from his GOP convention speech: "You see, even with all the hidden taxes to pay for the health care takeover, even with new taxes on nearly a million small businesses, the planners in Washington still didn't have enough money. They needed more. They needed hundreds of billions more. So they just took it all away from Medicare -- $716 billion dollars, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama. An obligation we have to our parents and grandparents is being sacrificed, all to pay for a new entitlement we didn't ask for. The greatest threat to Medicare is ObamaCare, and we're going to stop it."
*** No compromise: More than anything else, Ryan’s budget is mostly unchanged from its last two -- even though he lost a national election -- and doesn’t offer a hint of compromise. (Ryan touting on FOX that he and Romney won the elderly vote in 2012 is akin to the grunge band from “Singles” saying they’re huge in Belgium.) And it raises the question as Senate Democrats prepare their own budget and as President Obama continues his charm offensive: Is Ryan capable of cutting a deal? Up until now (like on the Simpson-Bowles commission), Ryan hasn’t reached across to the other side. For all of Ryan’s talk that Obama isn’t serious about cutting the deficit/budget, it’s noteworthy that he wouldn’t COME CLOSE to balancing the budget in 10 years without two of Obama’s priorities: the health-care law and the fiscal-cliff deal. Ryan and House Republicans believe their method would lead to growth, but liberals got a boost yesterday when the Wall Street Journal reported that without cuts in the public sector, a.k.a. government jobs, unemployment would be 7.1% rather than the 7.7% where it is today.
*** Obama meets with Senate Dems: Speaking of budgets, Senate Democrats are aiming to come out with theirs tomorrow. As we’ve noted previously, it will -- incredibly -- be the first budget they’ve released in four years. It won’t be all sunshine and roses for President Obama when he meets with Democrats today at 1:30 pm ET. There will likely be a little friction and skepticism from liberals on just what the president’s up to with Republican chats on grand bargain, according to a top Capitol Hill Democratic source. Not to mention, Democrats are already second-guessing the president’s deal-making during the fiscal cliff and the Congressional Black Caucus is wondering why there haven’t been more black cabinet nominees. And it will also be interesting to see the tone the president takes on the Ryan budget. The previous two years, the launch of the Ryan budget was cause for the White House to go into full campaign mode. But given the new tone of outreach the president is setting, does the president get critical of Ryan quickly or take a different tact? And then there’s the White House reaction to the Senate Democratic budget, how fully does the White House embrace it? With their own budget coming out sometime NEXT month, how those two budgets differ will be magnified and certainly COULD be a way for the White House to signal where it will compromise and where it won’t.
*** Politics as usual comes creeping in: While there’s some hope that a deal for a grand bargain is possible, given the White House’s desire for one and the president’s reaching out to rank-and-file Senate Republicans, the campaign arms of both parties are chomping at the bit over these budgets. The DSCC will go after several 2014 hopefuls over the Ryan budget. The DCCC and House Majority PAC are out with videos hitting Republicans as well. For the GOP’s part, they are eager to (finally) get a Democratic budget they feel like they can use against them. The NRCC is raising money off Ryan’s plan, and going after several freshmen. So if this was supposed to be a week breaking out a bit of budget kumbaya, think again. The politics of usual is also setting in. Somehow to get a budget to Obama, the two parties have to merge these political documents. Merging their politics is not something they’ve been able to even come close to doing in the last four-plus years. What is fascinating is how here you have the president and several Senate Republicans (and others), who say they want to clear the brush and get a big deal. But the campaign arms are fired up this week. How much does all this impact the chance at a grand bargain? Meanwhile, keep an eye on this other political sideshow that is developing in the talking-point wars between the two parties: the battle to own the word “balance” -- balanced budget vs. balanced approach. Democrats and the White House have used “balanced approach” as a buzzword to signal that the Republicans are uncompromising. Republicans hope to use the idea of a “balanced budget” to show the Democrats aren’t serious about the debt.
*** Just say no: With CPAC beginning on Thursday, conservatives and political observers have asked this question: Are the GOP’s problems about policy or are they due to the packaging? In other words, is it the pizza or the box? But looking at our most recent NBC/WSJ poll (conducted and released last month), the problems seem to involve a combination of the two: Americans associate Republicans with negativity in both policy and the tone -- they want to stop things, eliminate them, cut them, etc. Asked an open-ended question what one or two specific things they agree or disagree with the most that Republicans in Congress are proposing, 58% answered in disagreement. And those responses were almost about a negative rather than an affirmative. Not compromising with Democrats (11%), opposing gun control (10%), not taxing the wealthy (8%), getting rid of Obamacare (7%), and reevaluating entitlement programs (6%). And even the comments from the 31% in agreement with the GOP gave somewhat negative answers instead of affirmative ones: protecting gun rights (8%), cutting spending/managing spending (8%), cutting/not raising taxes (5%).
*** What are you FOR rather than simply AGAINST? By comparison, the 49% who said they agreed with President Obama gave affirmative responses: health care (15%), better/more gun control (13%), economic policies (11%), immigration reform (7%), creating more jobs (5%), more support for education. And the 48% who disagreed with Obama also gave affirmative responses: Obamacare (18%), gun-control legislation (16%), handling of the economy (7%), and handling of immigration reform (5%). Of course, when you’re out of power -- whether you’re the Democrats or Republicans -- you’re typically opposing the party in power, so these responses aren’t all that surprising. But this does speak to the fact why Americans right now have a more negative opinion of the GOP. And as we watch CPAC, especially the speeches by potential 2016ers, it will be interesting to hear what the speakers stand FOR rather than AGAINST.
*** Reince in Brooklyn; RNC to make digital expansion: It’s no secret that the Republican Party was walloped in two key areas in 2012 – with minorities and technology (especially with behavioral analytics). There was evidence yesterday that the Republican National Committee is taking steps to address both. RNC Chair Reince Priebus went to Brooklyn, NY, yesterday, where he met with black Republicans. And later in the day, NBC’s Sarah Boxer reported that the party is planning a major digital overhaul after it releases its autopsy of the 2012 election Monday.
*** Bloomberg soda ban blocked: The New York Times: “A judge struck down New York’s limits on large sugary drinks on Monday, one day before they were to take effect, in a significant blow to one of the most ambitious and divisive initiatives of Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s tenure. … The decision comes at a sensitive time for Mr. Bloomberg, who is determined to burnish his legacy as he enters the final months of his career in City Hall, and his administration seemed caught off guard by the decision.” Bloomberg said yesterday he would appeal. The New York Post goes for “Pour it on.” How many “soda/pop/coke” (whatever you want to call it) will there be at CPAC now…?
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Lyin Ryan's Budget 3.0 on steroids!
Little Paulie is worse then a bad cold which won't go away!
If at first you don't succeed, make sure to HIT the middle class, poor & elderly even HARDER!
As I said yesterday, it is a shame he isn't as good at governing as he is with his gimmicks!
The Ryan budget is part of the problem that republicans can not win elections. Take away from the working class in order to protect the richest in the land from having to pay their fair share of supporting this country and its government. They make their money here, they get rich on the backs of the American worker and have gotten even greedier as the conservative movement dies. If the republican part were serious about deficit reduction and a balance budget they would accept that this country has been starved by their continued use of supply side economics which has always failed, and austerity measures that are failing in Europe instead of a more moderate approach over a number of years that includes taxing the rich their fair share.
The Fatal Flaw of "Compromise"
Why can't we all just get along? Why can't reasonable folks on either side of an issue find some common ground in the middle and come to an agreement that moves the country forward? And why oh why is it always those darn Republicans who dig in their heels and refuse to give an inch, thereby perpetuating government dysfunction? Maybe because "compromise" isn't quite what it's cracked up to be.
When the middle ground of "compromise" produces an outcome that requires folks on both sides to abandon deeply cherished principles, then "compromise" will not happen. To the contrary, when men and women of principal are in power they will exercise that power in a manner consistent with their beliefs and not concede an inch –thus, no one in the Obama administration would even consider waterboarding a bad guy. By the same token, a principled opposition will reject any "compromise" that forces an abandonment of their own most deeply held beliefs. The result is a middle ground that is virtually nonexistent.
This is exactly the situation we are in today regarding the issue of fiscal policy and the proper role of government in our society. Republicans fundamentally believe the national debt is leading us to fiscal disaster, a debt driven by unsustainable spending by a nanny state government that breeds dependency and erodes incentives for self-reliance. Democrats, of course, don't see the world that way at all and have firmly resisted even the slighest reductions in government spending. From the perspective of each side, there is no dishonor in standing firm on their respective principles. Indeed, the dishonor would lie in capitulating to untenable demands. Thus we have Paul Ryan preparing a budget that balances within ten years with no tax increases, while Patty Murray has a budget that NEVER balances even with a boatload of tax increases.
Which brings me to Obama and his shameless portrayal of Republicans as being intransigent and unwilling to "compromise." Apparently it's OK for Democrats to stand on principle when they resist calls for entitlement reform, but it's not OK for Republicans to stand on their own principles and resist calls for even more taxes. Consider this: 107 House Democrats have signed a letter to Obama threatening to vote against "any and every cut to Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security benefits – including raising the retirement age or cutting cost of living adjustments." How is this digging in their heels approach is any different from Republicans who have signed Grover Norquist's no tax pledge? The answer is there is no difference, both approaches are based on deeply held beliefs advocated by the respective parties. Yet Obama and an accommodating MSM consistently spin this story to paint the Republican side as the only bad guy in the room.
The fact of the matter is the notion of "compromise" in today's climate is nothing more than a club Obama is using to try and gain political advantage over Republicans. So the next time you hear the president and his pals in the MSM castigate Republicans for their refusal to deal, remember that when "compromise" makes a mockery of principle it is equally distasteful to both sides, Democrat as well as Republican. Just ask Patty Murray. Realistically, the only way out of this standoff is for one party to have control of both the Congress and the presidency and thereby be in a position to shape policy without need for "compromise" -- just like Obama did in his first two years with health care and financial reform,
That's why the 2014 midterm elections are looming as critically important to our future. And that's why every word and deed from Obama needs to be closely parsed from the perspective of 2014 politics – particularly his blatantly self-serving and thoroughly disingenuous representations of "compromise."
The Republican Party has for many years now steered our nation in the wrong direction, because of their own selfish priorities. They are no good at governing. What they are good at is being mouthpieces for the very wealthy by making up lies. Their lies have hurt a great deal of people and will continue to hurt a great many people. Most of the nation realizes it now and it's why the democrats won in November. Most of the nation does not want the GOP's policies.
The wealthy/right wing media for years have used the middle class to exploit the poor and working classes. I hope those days are over. I really do. It's up to President Obama and Congress to listen to US and not to those who have no idea of what they're talking about. The madness has to end. Now.
All the so-called msm we have had throughout the years didn't stop what their job was to stop. Government/corporate America exploitation of the American people. They failed the most vulnerable Americans miserably over the years.
I hope the media, Democrats and President Obama see this, written by Michael Tomasky:
{snippets}
... The Washington Post's editorial page, Alan Simpson, Erskine Bowles, Alice Rivlin, and all the other folks who go around insisting that the budget deficit is our biggest problem.
It's not. Jobs are still are our biggest problem. As Paul Krugman documented in his Monday column, the deficit is actually decreasing quite rapidly. It's still high. But it's tumbling down. And one thing that will make it tumble downward even further, of course, is putting more people to work, spurring more economic activity, leading to more investment and spending.
And one thing that will make it tumble downward even further, of course, is putting more people to work, spurring more economic activity, leading to more investment and spending. The February jobs numbers were great, but a 7.7 percent unemployment rate is still too high. That's what we need to be attacking.
Obama needs to take some steps toward bringing it down even more. But he can say that while also saying, and saying forcefully: I will not hop on the deficit hysteria bandwagon. I still believe the most important order of business for me is to create more jobs, first for the obvious reason that we want more people working and second because a stronger economy will lower the deficit more quickly and reliably than anything else. So yes, I want to get the deficit under long-term control, but I'm the president, I was reelected handily, and no combination of people is going to bully me into accepting their agenda or timetable.
Obama can't spend the last three years of his presidency playing ball on Paul Ryan's home field. That's a recipe for political weakness and policy disaster. This is the week to draw his line in the sand and tell the deficit-hawk establishment who's in charge.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/12/how-obama-should-respond-to-ryan.html
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The beach erosion going on up here is very sad to see. Very sad.
It's just like a bad horror movie sequel trailer.
Just when you thought it was safe......He's baaaaaaack.
It's Ryan's Budget 3!!!!
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Good Morning fellow libs all nice comments this AM.
Shazam????
Does Paul Ryan think he is now Captain Marvel because wants to take credit for including $600 billion in new revenue in his budget which he and other republicans accused President obama of stealing? I still chuckle thinking of batty eyed Michele Bachman screeching... "We know that President Obama stole over $500 billion out of Medicare to switch it over to Obamacare."
Michele Bachmann on Monday, September 12th, 2011 in the CNN/Tea Party Express debate in
He shouldn't. He is prepared to reveal for the umpteenth time his iteration of repealing Obama Care in his budget today. He shouldn't bring that forward either. Repealing Obamacare is one reason Paul Ryan is not VP today. The American people spoke in the 2012 election. Paul Ryan has been all over the political landscape with Obamacare cuts.
When “Obamacare” passed Ryan put them in his House-passed budget plans in 2011 and 2012, then he campaigned against them in the 2012 election. Now he is backing them again in his new budget plan which he revealed on “Fox News" Sunday and was smacked down by Chris Wallace.
Futhermore, it's been revealed House Republicans Can’t Explain How Obama’s Policies Got Into Paul Ryan’s Budget .
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/03/11/1697691/journalist-exposes-republicans-for-including-obamas-policies-in-ryans-budget/
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Uh Oh!!
Paul Ryan's budget explains why President Obama’s balanced approach is the only way to go.
Howevver, Paul Ryan's acting like Captain Marvel , along with the GOP, and the Tea Suckers think their very, long, angry, caterwauling, years of vehement denunciations have given then an imprimatur on a budget that is based on President Obama’s policies.
Keep wanting to raising more taxes for the rich and lowering the expectations of the Right ever becoming a relevant political party; Paul Ryan, GOP, and you Tea Suckers!!!!
If Paul Ryan should receive any lightning bolt moment, it should be only to enlighten him into realizing he is "A Big Red Cheese".
What the hell is the matter with this guy? He's like the neighbor kid who keeps poking sticks at a dog. The dog is only going to take so much. You tell the kid to stop it. You tell him at some point the dog is going to tear him apart. That is a perfect analogy for what Paul Ryan is doing with Obamacare.
Obamacare is not going to go away. The fact is the alternative to Obamacare is to stand by as people get sick. To tell them to just hurry up and get better. To tell them to go to an emergency room they can't begin to afford. To tell them to die. Dammit Paul, stop poking the stick at us. We're going to bite.
Ryan doesn't have a budget proposal. What he brings is more proof that he does not grasp arithmetic. Stop with the nonsense. Stop pretending he's some sort of numbers whiz. He is not. He's putting finger paint - or worse - on the walls.
He has a ten-year proposal. Really? And in that 10-year period, Congress is going to follow every one of his fantasy proposals? President Obama is going to sign a repeal of Obamacare? There will be no emergencies, no national disasters, no possible changes that Brainiac Boy hasn't considered? The economy is going to grow. Old folks will stop getting sick and their insurance premiums will go down. And gold will fall from the sky.
Enough! This is nonsense. Paul Ryan flatly does not know what he is talking about and then he has the nerve to say he did his part. It's up to the President to overdose on the same drugs Ryan is using and we'll all float off to La-la Land. NO MORE. STOP IT! SHUT UP!
Give us a realistic one-year budget. Give us something that can get through the Senate and the President will accept. Deal with the damned facts. We are running a deficit and we need revenues. You don't get new revenues by cutting revenues. Paul. Hello, Paul, anybody home. You don't get more by getting less.
You cut defense spending. You overhaul entitlement programs. You cut waste and inefficiency, and yes, we know it's not as easy as it sounds. You stop using the tax code to reward your friends and to promote social change you like. You tax the rich. NO, Paul. REALLY. You tax the rich. They don't create jobs. They just take money from those who can least afford to give it to the rich.
I'm not kidding Paul. Stop poking us with sticks!
The BIG GULP lives and Chris Christie is happier then a antelope with night vision goggles!
Speaking of Big Gulp's I see Mr. Bitter Bill super sized his helping of broccoli last night in order to leave a steaming pile on my porch this morning!
Excellent example of quantity over quality... lol
Tax and spend.
Tax and spend.
Tax and spend.
Tax and spend.
That’s what lefty liberals do. It’s in their DNA. They
cannot control themselves because of their defective genes. I’m looking forward
to laughing at the “spending cuts” included in the Dem plan. Wanna bet they
will be the kind of nonsense that has no chance of ever being passed into law??
From Politico:
Patty Murray budget: $1 trillion in new revenue
By: Manu Raju
March 12, 2013 07:19 AM EDT
Sen. Patty Murray’s new budget plan
will raise tax revenues by nearly $1 trillion while cutting spending by the
same amount over the next decade, according to people familiar with the
proposal.
The Budget Committee chairwoman plans
to brief fellow Democratic senators over the new proposal in a closed-door
lunch Tuesday that President Barack Obama is also scheduled to attend.
Committee deliberations will begin Wednesday, and the panel expects to vote
on the plan Thursday before floor debate next week.
Democrats expect to remain largely
united, and Murray anticipates having the support of the 11 other Democrats
on her committee, giving her enough support to send the bill to the floor on
a party-line basis.
But the tax figure could present a
problem for a handful of red-state Democrats up for reelection who
Republicans will undoubtedly say are supporting a $1 trillion tax hike if
they back the plan.
At least he proposes a budget that makes it to the floor. At least his budget can pass.
Why do liberals think spending MORE money is good. They talk about balancing the budget and surpluses. But don't bother to pass a budget. They talk about exploding debt but then point the finger to Bush, when Obama added more debt in 4 years than Bush in 8 years.
What are liberals doing to REDUCE the debt. Nothing. Spending is higher, which is offset by more taxes. If you want to tax more, at least FREEZE spending and use the tax revenue to reduce the deficit and eventually pay down the debt. Better yet, STOP spending and use all of the additional TAX and SAVED revenue to cut the deficit faster and pay down the debt. And if you had a clue, CUT taxes and watch the economy boom.
Admit it liberals... you just want free stuff. Government jobs which give you great benefits in which you show up and text all day. Welfare, more food stamps, more free phones and internet. More More More... as long as you don't pay for it.
We should pass a law that a BALANCED or SURPLUS budget is passed every year. The debt ceiling should be tied to the budget. And since it has to be balanced, the only money borrowed should be for interest if the surplus can't cover it.
Bill in Fairfax --
Republicans RAN UP the DEBT with unsustainable spending!
Ryan has no problem with using the tax increase revenues to balance his FAUX budget. Remember Ryan admittedly said it's not a REALISTIC budget. It's all make believe Bill, no need to take it seriously. LOL
Borrow and spend
Borrow and spend
Borrow and spend
Borrow and spend.
Its what righty fascist have in their DNA, of course they don't believe in DNA. But hey, who cares very much about the dead republican party.
Fairfax Bill, your post is pure crap from top to bottom and it's all summarized in this sentence:
Intransigent? That's right, proposing a repeal of Obamacare more than 30 times is the epitome of compromise, right? Refusing to even consider raising taxes is the epitome of compromise, right? No sir. Cutting taxes is the answer. That's compromise, right? That's negotiating flexibility, right? Defense cuts off the table. That's "compromise", right?
Taxes haven't been raised. They've returned to Clinton/early Bush levels. That's all. If you were the model of Republican compromising spirit, and I were the model of Democrat compromising spirit and we were in charge of producing a budget - Well, it wouldn't happen. There's no way I'd even think about talking to someone who has no grasp of simple arithmetic and is guided purely by disproved dogma.
You could be Paul Ryan's clone. I have challenged you repeatedly on your numbers and assumptions and you run away. That is the Ryan M.O. That is the Republican M.O. You got nuthin'.
Paul Ryan, the man's brilliant, obviously a boy genius. What a perfect budget plan he's come up with. All we have to do is cut or eliminate everything that benefits and helps the common man (and women, but he doesn't care about "them".) Hey! Lets make a clean sweep of it and include all members of the House and Senate salary's. And how about taxing everyone making over $14,000 a year (average yearly income of the poor and unwashed) at a 98% tax rate. That should level things out and make us all equal. What a brilliant plan, I can't believe nobodies thought of it before. Help save our County, Paul Ryan for President. LOL.
I believe Fairfax Bill was one of the conservatives who ranted about the new taxes in ObamaCare. Wonder what he thinks about Paul Ryan keeping the new taxes and the medicare cuts in his "pretend" budget while only repealing the health care parts, you know, the parts that actually help ordinary working people. Seems Fairfax should closely parse "every word and deed" of the GOP because contrary to Bill's undying belief that the GOPTPers are fiscally responsible--they have not been in 30 years. The proof is there, IF only Fairfax bothered to PARSE IT.
Every day it is the same old sh!t out of the mouths of Feisty, David Walker, Beverly, Pat, John tho, Pig, California, Jody, etc. No solutions but all complaints. What a bunch of trivial ants. Prove where this budget proposal hits elderly and poor the hardest. Erksine Boles said Ryan is incredibly smart with numbers so those of you who think your smarter, put up proposals or STFU.
If fricking brainiacs have no concept of how Congress is supposed to work. Now the Senate needs to submit its proposal and the two come together. OOPS I forgot about the president again shirking his Constitutional responsibilities.
FU with your Lyin' Ryan names. Where is Ryan supposed to be governing???? The only person absent from the governing is the president. The President -- Barack "Jim Jones" Obama is a gutless swine.
This is why I am skeptical about the president reaching out to the GOP.
Steve Benen, The Maddow Blog: Reaching Out, Finding Nothing
New York Times has an interesting report today on the ineffectiveness of recent outreach, including a great anecdote I hadn't heard before.
For all the attention to President Obama's new campaign of outreach to Republicans, it was four months ago -- on the eve of bipartisan budget talks -- that he secretly invited five of them to the White House for a movie screening with the stars of "Lincoln," the film about that president's courtship of Congress to pass a significant measure.
None accepted.
For all the pundits who complain bitterly that Obama hasn't done enough to schmooze with lawmakers, doesn't an anecdote like this suggest the problem is not entirely the president's fault? Are we to believe that all five -- invited in secret so they wouldn't have to take heat from Fox or the GOP base -- were all washing their hair that night?
On a more substantive note, the piece also included this key piece of information:
What spurred Mr. Obama to reach out to rank-and-file Republicans with a flurry of phone calls, meals and now Capitol visits were the recent announcements by their leaders -- Speaker John A. Boehner and Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky -- that they will no longer negotiate with Mr. Obama on budget policy as long as he keeps demanding more tax revenues as the condition for Democrats' support of reduced spending on Medicare and other entitlement programs.
This is important. Congressional Republican leaders are now saying they won't even talk to the president unless Obama agrees -- before any meetings even take place -- to give them what they want. In other words, when the White House announces that all efforts at deficit reduction in the coming years will include literally nothing but 100% spending cuts, then GOP leaders will be prepared to negotiate with the president.
Please, Beltway pundits, remind me again how all the president has to do to resolve political paralysis is "lead" and offer good-faith compromises.
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/03/12/17283043-reaching-out-finding-nothing?lite
If you can read this, you’re too smart to vote Republican
From the article above:
Courtesy of Right Wing Watch
Glenn Beck At His Finest
Kyle Mantyla on Wednesday, 3/6/2013
After hearing about this on the Randi Rhodes radio program on my afternoon drive home, I can only say that TomasGrande has now become a HUGE Glenn Beck Fan!
I mean for the Doomsday gold profiteer and radio nutbag GB to encourage the 47 percent-ers to take their children out of those nasty, liberal, Jeffersonian, public schools because “the collective mentality is taking over”, why the only thing one can say is “Win-Win”.
First of all, we all know the public schools are overcrowded and the American teacher is over-worked, under-paid and unappreciated, so right off the bat, no more RW juvenile delinquents equals smaller classrooms and better education for us Progressives.
We liberals will then be free to continue the pursuit of Mathematics, Physics, Science, Chemistry, Astronomy, Biology, Anthropology, Geography, Geology, Sociology, Economics, Business, Finance, Management, Humanities, Art, Drama, Writing, Linguistics, Journalism, Political Science, Law, Medicine, Nursing, Pharmacy, Physical Therapy, Psychology, Engineering, Architecture, and the importance of good hygiene.
And all you RW freaks will be free to home-school your kids about how the world was created in 6 days, to learn (by practicing) that you should never stick a fork in an electrical outlet, and create beautiful refrigerator macaroni displays, then turn those into a delicious Mac & Cheese dinner.
So listen to Glenn Becky, do what he says, buy his books and remember, “Stay OUT of school”.
We now interrupt this program to bring you the following message:
“The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically. Intelligence plus character - that is the goal of true education”.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Salud
Ben - destroying social security and medicare is where the elderly take it in the shorts. You can't figure that out. There are many many ways to solidify those programs with ending them like Ryan want to do.
Well, Ryan has not learned anything from his defeat in 2012.
Why is it so hard to learn?
Well, here is a quote from a Supreme Court Justice that can help explain...
'You can't train a pig, it wastes your time, and aggravates the pig.'
Well again, pigs are smarter than Ryan, I guess.
Signed: pigotry
Ben, Paul Ryan shouldn't be the one putting a budget together. He keeps failing at it because his budgets are nonsensical.
Ben, here is a solution for you. Stuff it.
Right now a perfect example of what is happening is playing out on AMC's The Walking Dead. Obama is being portrayed as the weasel he is by the Governor (played by David Morrisey) as he appears to extend an olive branch while all the time plotting to attack. The good -- but not perfect -- group is being set up. No one and I mean no one should trust Obama as fair as he could be thrown. He is a disgusting back stabbing SOB and those who follow him will follow him into oblivion. Damn zombies.
@Pat -- That's not your call you arrogant . . . . Nonsensical is having a budget defeated without a single vote in the affirmative no matter what your excuses are.
@martinbaecker -- explain why the F you have to call reforming for future survival as destroying. Only a fricking idiot thinks the current structures are sustainable.
Johntho -- I tell you where I live if you would like to come and help me to stuff it. Any time.
Ryan budget is based on the Removal of Obamacare and that's not going to happen, so I'm calling this Wimp Ryan's bill as total Trash !!!
hurt the poor? what do you think the doubling of the gas prices in the last 4 years has done? what do you think trillion dollar deficits have done? what do you think QE!,QE2,QE3 have done? The stock market is an import PART of the economy but is not the economy. Yes the unemployment rate is down but if we had the same workforce participation rate as we did when Obama took office unemployment would be at 11%. I am no fan of the republicans either one party wants to drive over the cliff at 30 mph while the other wants to go at 60 mph. Ryans budget is a start but doesnt go far enough who out there is saying "lets not drive over the cliff" . We have reached the upper limit on what government can take from a free society and demographics show we must make changes, every day we wait will make those changes more painful to the poor. Our 77000 page take code needs to be scraped, entitlements need to be means tested, Obama care gone and the military cut. Save money and a nice byproduct will be increased freedom.
This is only a "boost" to Liberals because they don't understand that government spending, especially wasteful government spending, is a drain on the economy, not a boost. When government provides jobs simply to provide jobs, it's akin to burying money in the ground and then hiring people to go around and find it. Makes no sense regardless or what Krugman would say.
Bill in Fairfax -
Do you really believe the things you post? Your attempt at a rational explanation as to why Republicans refse to compromise is chock-full of half-truths, distortions and outright lies.
Republicans were unconcerned about the national debt when they had the presidency and both houses of Congress for six years, with Dick Cheney going so far as to say that "deficits don't matter".
In fact the national debt increased dramatically under Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. Republlican "tax-cut and spend" policies relied on borrowed money to finance military expansion, two wars, massive tax cuts and little else.
Another categorically false statement. President Obama has attempted on several occasions to broker a true compromise that would involve both entitlement reform and true reductions in spending.
The Ryan budget ONLY balances in 10 years by including the recent repeal of he Bush tax cuts as well as the dreaded Obamacare Medicare savings. Paul Ryan's prior budgets, which did not include any revenue increases, took twice as long to "balance".
Your contention that The Democrats and the Republicans are both equally unwilling to compromise is unfounded and incorrect, and ignores both reality and history.
Until the GOP includes some Defense and Foreign add cuts this is not a serious proposal. The same issue plagues the Dems on entitlements. A true solution must include a realistic picture of the future, which includes a smaller military, and Citizens who provide for themselves.
@kevin -- the GOP just approved of $42 billion in defense cuts and an increase in tax rates -- or have you forgotten?
Ben-lotsanumbers:
A number of the very people you name in your crack-induced rant have put forth proposals. You haven't addressed them. You just rant.
Raise taxes on the rich. That's been put out there time and again. That's about as plain as I can make it. Like I said, you guys go nuthin'. You don't have a single defensible reason why that won't work. I don't have time to go back and forth with you, even if you had the guts to try.
Don't come back with the nonsense that you can't balance the budget by raising income taxes on the rich, because you sure as hell can. The numbers - you know, those nasty squiggly things that don't look like letters? - say you can. The success of the argument is based on verifiable numbers, not decibels. I have numbers, you have noise.
brennan62
That is exactly what I've been trying to tell people for years. People decry trickle down tax policies as a handout to the rich but seem to have no problem with fiscal and monetary policies which do exactly the same thing.
Pigotry....me thinks Ryan is only as smart as a jackass.....(sorry to insult the jackasses of the world)
Ryan's Budget is Hogwash and its putting the Screws to the middle class and letting the 1% off the hook as usual !!!
Paul Ryan's budget is more like Pollution !!!
Here we go again with this budget stuff... even before they put pen to paper, they already knew this was not going anywhere. In a diff article they have Ryan talking about the pipeline as if this would create positive economic value to this country. All that does is create temp jobs and puts us at risk of having huge messes to clean up in the near future... and all with govt $$... The oil is not for use in the US but to be exported and the mid west will have gas prices raised to the level most other regions pay... How is this part of this budget again?
Oh and BTW... on an unrelated note... did you see the backlash ESPN got for airing in Spanish the Dominican Rep vs Puerto Rico baseball game on Sunday. Old white people across the country who couldn't find the SAP button had their heads explode... "Bahh, We live in America, Bahh. Everything should be in English, Bahh" lol... Go Dominican Rep! (and USA of course)
TNSEVOL
So your defense of Obama doing the same thing is to point to Bush? Speaking of irrational.
Attempted to broker? Is that supposed to be a good thing? We need a doer, not an attempted broker.
Pat Boston-7793618
Pat, That is exactly right.
I know you don't like when I flip over to FOX NOISE; but I'm always interested in what the enemy has to say; plus it's entertainment.
FOX Noise is the headquarters of the looney, bigoted, Republican Party which provides reasons daily why the Republicans can't govern.
Would you believe FOX is still bitching about the White House being closed for tours; and Ryan's budget, instead of things you expressed and in the article. I sit there and crack up. I no longer get angry as I have come to the conclusion they need psychiatric help because they keep doing the same things over and over without different results.
The money Hannity and cohorts are talking about to donate to keep the White House tours open could feed hungry children.
Fox News worries about the kids who can’t visit the White House — but not the poor kids who could starve
http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/03/fox-news-worries-about-the-kids-who-cant-visit-the-white-house-but-not-the-poor-kids-who-could-starve.html
@DavidWalker -- Mr. No nothing, where do you "have your numbers"???? Are they yours or are you using another's work. What you gonna do spout Socialist Krugman's numbers??? And you don't tell me what I can or cannot come back with. Only cowards try that tactic and fits you to a tee.
For those of you interested in REALITY concerning the debt and deficits Erza Klein explains a few things here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-11/want-to-fix-the-deficit-get-real.html
Another view of things:
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/budget/news/2013/03/11/56048/the-united-states-long-term-debt-problem-isnt-as-bad-as-you-thought/
Liberals - never let the facts get in the way of a good lie....
Liberals - blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah - some of their most excellent talking points
Liberals - would never understand how dangerous the economy is with a $17 Trillion National Debt!
Liberals - never met a democrat that wants to spend us into oblivion they didn't like.
Liberals - spreading the lies since 1907
Liberals - think progressive is a good thing... progressing us right into socialism
Liberals - live for morons like Bloomberg - making nonsense out of soft drinks over 16 ounces - thinks the government knows better and is willing to exercise tyrannical rule to prove the point. Guess he forgot about the law.
Dingle B -
My post was in response to Bill in Fairfax's false claim that that Republicans are concerned about the debt and deficits. Where did I try to defend President Obama?
Once again, my post was in response to a false claim that Democrats didnt really try to compromise. How could anyone be a "doer" if the other side refuses to compromise?
Please try and keep up.
Ben -
Are you referring to Nobel Prize-winning Professor Krugman? I suppose you prefer the fantasy math of Paul Ryan (no has no doctorate, no Nobel Prize, and no clue....)
Tax the rich 100%, take everything they have and just divvy it out to all the welfare recipients. That will surely turn things around in this country. I mean once they run out of the rich peoples money they can just move on to the middle class. Once I give them all my money we will then live in the liberal utopia, everyone will be equally poor except for the few over lords. Great plan hu?
This last tax hike on the rich ran the country for 2 days....2 freaking days and all we did with that money was pay off interest we owe on our unbelievable debt.
I know, gut Military. Make sure the GI Bills really suffer because they have so many job opportunities when they come home. Lets just keep paying the people who put their lives on the line $35k a year while we tax them more for a job well done.
Libs and other peoples money, just can't get enough.
Does Lyin Ryan not remember the Nov 6, 2012 Election Results. The MAJORITY of the People said no to you a Willard.
Aaaahhhh, the subject is FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ... that explains why all the usual extremist lefty unicorn chasers are having an all-out diarrhea attack ! God forbid our country should make a reasonable attempt to live within its income .... oh the HORROR, the absolute HORROR !
Meanwhile, Paul Ryan seems to have the common sense to realize that cuts are needed .... here, there, everywhere to bring our OUT-OF-CONTROL SPENDING back to reality ! The government has recently predicted the tax revenues of our country will be at their highest levels .... and yet Dems just do not seem to have the balls, the guts, the intestinal fortitude to start trimming waste (as Obama had promised and failed to do), eliminate the dumbass giveaways (Solyndra, foreign aid to Egypt and Afghanistan), and move toward "government efficiency".
But, then again, Democrats do NOT want to reduce government jobs which feed on our economy like a cancer ! Government employees tend to vote Democratic so it is a means of self preservation and the government freebies must continue !
Taxes have been raised on the wealthy and the not-so-wealthy through Obamacare and taxes were raised again through the fiscal cliff deal ! Our federal government has not demonstrated wise handling of tax revenues to support more tax revenues for them to waste !! It,s time to trim the fat libbies !!!
Beverly, I know. That money could be used elsewhere - even helping out our veterans.
I can't stand today's Republican Party.
President Obama is having an interview this afternoon with ABC. I'm very much looking forward to it.
TomasGrande
What a nasty, self-righteous, ignorant post.
Us "RW Freaks" are actually we're putting our kids in private schools. Schools where the kids routinely score in the 90th percentile on standardized tests like the Iowa Basic Test.
http://www.challengerschool.com/news.php
Our kids are going to schools where they actually learn about the constitution, schools where they begin learning basic computer programing in 1st grade, schools where they actually teach critical thinking.
But you go on with your righteousness about your public school education.
White House is closed because Obama wants people around the world how stupids is our Government, having the president waisting millions in family vacations , when our student get the door shut in their faces.
LosMan123
Here we go again with this budget stuff
Liberals don't know we must pass the Budget every year. Since Obama took office Democrats in Senate never pass a budget resolution or take it to the floor for a vote. The only budget they vote was Obama and it was vote Nay for all Democrats and Republicans.
Hey David Poseur (Walker), you ever gonna answer Backcountry64's question? Methinks the likes of you, Jackoff, Fisty Jane Rottencrotch, Chick Blunder and Monkey Ny DO NOT understand what it means to hand someone their ass, especially since you dumfux spike the football 20 yards out every time.
well you guys have what 'feels' good despite Facts getting in the way of your agenda. Carry on Comrade Commisar
And Life be Irie
TomasGrande
Welcome to Thomas Grands world...next Dingle he'll call you a racist and bigot.... more premature ejaculation from the left...
Democrats have agreed to a mix of revenue increases and budget cuts, with some differences between Obama and Congressional Democrats about what the mix should be. But the Republicans have a so-called "principle" that there shall be no revenue increases for any reason at any time. How can anyone compromise with someone with a "principle" like that?
The fact that Republicans absolutely refuse to consider revenue increases proves their professed concern for budget deficits is bogus. Revenue increases lower the budget as much as budget cuts. Their real motives are twofold.
The first has been around for decades: destroy FDR's Social Security and LBJ's Medicare and Medicaid programs so that money that now flows from tax payers to the government and gets redistributed instead flows from consumers into the grubby hands of corporate middlemen who add zero value for the profits they would rake off retirement investments and health care costs in the absence of Social Security and Medicare.
Their second motive is to destroy Barack Obama's legacy. The Republicans leadership knows very well that the budget cuts are hurting the recovery, and as even the Wall Street Journal has reported, have added substantially to the current unemployment numbers.
It's no wonder polls indicate that the public associates the Republican Party with negativity. The only thing Republicans are good at is destruction.
edgarw
That's what Jesus would do.
Salud
TomasGrande - .
I beg to differ. They help those who help themselves. Not those who help themselves to other peoples belongings.
Joe - I'd actually prefer tax and spend to borrow, blow up and steal which is what the republicans have been doing the majority of my 40 years in the work force. Perhaps we should get an individual say in what our taxes pay for? I'd say, don't ever, not even one penny give my tax money to an oil company, anyone making more than $200,000 per year or any business, large or small who do not treat their employees they way they treat themselves and their own families. Entitlements - heck yes, I'm entitled, I've paid into the SS and Medicare system for 40 plus years, I'm more than entitled to my money, don't want me to have either - fine, give me every single penny I've paid in (lump sum, no pay out), plus interest per real year accrued, otherwise, stop whinning about Medicare and SS. By the way, my daughters should not have to work until they are 70 either, they have paid into these systems since they were 16 years old - both worked while in high school just like I did and their Dad did. You see, we working class folks are tired of paying too - we are tired of paying for the wealthy to get off scott free and we are tired of them robbing us to pay for their pet war projects while they send our children, not the wealthy children, off to fight their dirty little wars. I don't see george bush still working althought he thought it was fine for the rest of us to work until we were 70, which I don't intend to do. I've had quite enough of working to make an already rich person richer which is why I've worked non-for profit medicine for 20 of my last 30 years in the medical field.
no, it is not....try again
Hey TNS, Oblamo has NOBEL PEACE PRIZE...explain how he got that since you want to hang your hat on the ONCE prestigious prize.
It outta be good
You got a short view of stuff DingleB, ones man's waste is another's road, or school, or many other worth while project, in a particular district. Not saying there isn't waste, what we spend on the military is a sin. However, that sin is also jobs.
Social Security and Medicare are a promise, I have a contract with the government. I paid into this policy all my working life. Others who are younger need the same promise I had when I started out, many years ago. Leave that out of any budget talks, it isn't on the table. Tax the rich damn it. Look back 30 years ago to when this problem started. There were many more middle class people then there are today, wouldn't you think just for a minute what the government was spending then kept the middle class prosperous. I worked, I paid taxes and I expect certain government functions, you don't and that is our basic difference's.
redvirginia
What is it that about "across the board cuts" that you RWNJs can't understand? Did you think that the cuts were only going to be made on food stamps and school lunches and other such programs that benefit the "moochers" you despise?
As for vacations, Obama has spent less time and money on vacations than G. W. Bush did during his eight years of misrule.
Here comes Paul Ryan with another of His pictures. No one ever buys 'em, so He keeps changing the color of the crayons He uses. When allowing a monkey to paint the porch it is stupid to expect a lesser mess by changing the color of the paint. Best to be sure the monkey is working on someone elses porch. I do not wish to imply Ryan is a monkey. Such an implication would enrage monkey's everywhere.
Beverly - I know you don't like when I flip over to FOX NOISE; but I'm always interested in what the enemy has to say; plus it's entertainment.
Enemy? Now Beverly finally admits that Americans are her enemy. Isn't Fox News American? Beverly thinks other Americans are the enemy...
This reveals a lot about what liberals think. They feel other Americans with differing opinions and use facts liberals ignore, are the enemy. Are you preparing for combat Beverly? Your hand is exposed.
Who are the radical extremists? It isn't conservatives... not when liberals call us the enemy.
DingleB
Sorry, but according to Glenn Beck, that is an evil, Liberal trait.
Thanks for proving my point.
Salud
jim-1455434
Funny, most Democrats want to shrink the military, which is a government job. The military is untouched in this budget. How much of our government funding goes to defense? How much is enough? Do we need to keep spending at the same rate when we are according to the narrative we are being sold "going broke"?
That seems to fly slightly in the face of your attack. But then again, I know you're just attacking people on the "other side" of you since it's Tuesday, and any day that ends with Y is a good time to demonize those who belong to the opposing political party.
Morgs74
Once again, you parrot Hannity's lying BS.
Salud
Just an assumption I guess. Don't you?
And you're back to blaming the other side again.
Not only Beberly , most liberals do.
If Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, ‘We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,’ if they don’t see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it’s gonna be harder and that’s why I think it’s so important that people focus on voting on November 2.”...... Pres. Obama
I love how Conservatives keep crowing on this blog about how the President's budget was defeated unanimously each of the last two years when that's simply not the case. What was voted on was a gimmick...not a real budget that was submitted by the administration.
Repeating the lie over and over again does not make it the truth.
I see Ben took his morning "angry" pills. Perhaps he can tell us why tax loopholes for corporate jets as well as for the multi-billions in profits by big oil and gas should be kept? I seriously doubt that he owns a jet plane or an oil company and, most likely, is a middle class American. Please, explain to us why special interests should have loopholes that benefit only a few at your expense; yes, your expense and mine. Tax loopholes, Corporate Welfare, over 10 years amounts to $3.2 billion. 10 years of Corporate welfare pays for more than one full year of programs that benefit the rest of us: $3.175 billion. We cannot CUT our way out of the deficit and debt that took 30 years to build; it is impossible. If Conservatives were serious about deficit and debt reduction, they would accept a balanced approach. The trouble is they are never serious about deficit and debt reduction unless there is a democrat in the White House.
As for Simpson Bowles, 1.0, even repubicans rejected it despite the fact they now praise it and tout it as the Holy Grail. Two people sitting down can offer a wealth of suggestions, many of them good but some of their ideas were really bad for middle and lower income people. Closing tax loopholes was one of their good ideas but lowering taxes immediately for everyone was one of their bad ideas for this reason: closing tax loopholes then reducing the revenues by an equivalent amount defeats the purpose when the goal is to reduce the deficit and the debt. At some point in the future when the debt is reduced, then looking at lowering tax rates makes sense but not until the goal is reached; otherwise, it is an exercise in futility. Simpson Bowles 2.0, wasn't even worth the paper it was written on; it was a sham, a farce giving into the anti-government, anti-safety net whims of conservatives.
The deficit is NOT our enemy, the hysteria surrounding it is Doomsday fear mongering. The deficit and the debt are long-term problems but not short-term ones. The short-term problem is stimulating economic growth and creating jobs. Why is it conservatives cannot grasp the concept that more jobs means the deficit grows smaller even without cuts? If the USA is to remain an economic powerhouse, we must concentrate on economic growth. The Austerity Bandwagon the GOP insists we ride actually results in greater deficits and adds to the debt. It's Econ 101.
Thanks Houston for making my point!
Redviginia, please do not assume you know what the hell I know or dont know! You are free to ask a questions but do not put words in my mouth. The Dems did not put a budget together, you are right about that. But did you know that in the last budget resolution, a budget was made and we stuck to it? And wouldn't you know the deficit has been cut substantially, Govt spending as a % of GDP is also down and so is tax revenue.... and the biggest drivers of our debt are still the unfunded wars and the Bush era tax cuts that Obama extended because Republicans held unemployment benefits hostage during the lame duck session of in 2010.... but dont let facts get in the way of your rhetoric.... And how is Virginia doing these days? I heard last night that they are actually trying to legislate their so called "Morality" by outlawing co-habitation of unmarried couples. Oh and dont forget about your great vaginal probe mess.
Sit the F%$* down Redviginia!!
TomasGrande
Really? My taxes have gone up, someone is taking them. My healthcare costs have gone up, where is that going? If these are all lies why am I physically feeling economic pain being thrust upon me?
Please tell me why my paycheck keeps getting smaller and smaller? I didn't receive a demotion.
I don't care who says this admin is taking from the 53% of the population and giving to the 47% because it is a fact.
Now ad some substance do your blathering and prove me wrong.
TomasGrande
So Glenn Beck, the guy you tune in to laugh at and call ridiculous calls something an evil, liberal trait and now suddenly he is the authority to listen to?
Wow.
No @!$%#, ever damn thing that comes from O is a gimmick.
what a great retort...its all hannity, beck, rove, cheney, bush's fault. Sorry Thomas, Jesus had no time for the worldy politics. he had no intention of GIVING YOU A FISH TO BE LAZY FOR LIFE.
Funny how you libtards promote take from someone to give to a lesser. Willing to bet most of you have never actually have given time to help...sit in your Lazy boy watching Madcow and Shemp Matthews hand wringing about take from someone to give to another.. Why lead by example when you can do it from the comfort of your couch...
Cheer up though, once you do for yourself you'll feel better
DingleB -- You link to one charter school's results showing THEIR kindergartners and eighth graders outperformed the national average on certain tests. NATIONAL AVERAGE. When you add in ALL charter schools you will see that things are not as you portray. In fact many charter schools FAIL on all levels.
Are you always disingenuous?
redvirginia quoting Obama:
Latinos punished Republicans so badly in November that some Republicans are beginning to think maybe pandering to anti-Latino bigots isn't the way to win elections anymore. Sometimes punishment works. When you hit a mule in the head with a two-by-four, sometimes the message gets through to its dim brain.
This didn't come from the President. It came from Senator Jeff Sessions.
Is that a unicorn? No, it's a quadrakorn
re:return of Ryan (aka Lyin):
If government spending really helped the economy, wouldn't the economy be thriving by now given the level of spending?
The fact is, that government spending hurts the economy first by distorting market conditions which often lead to significant downturns in the economy, second by consuming the resources necessary for growth in the private sector.
A short article if you're interested:
http://reason.com/archives/2013/03/10/cutting-government-would-boost-economy
What about, Government spending vs economy growth, or Government spending vs population. Tax revenue in 2013 will be higher than any year in history according to CBO, the government is printing more artificial dollars to sustain government spending, while poor people are taking less to the table because the diluting ofthe currency ( devaluation) that is even worst than increase taxes. That is the stupidity of liberal who demand more taxes to sustain a welfare country instead to promote self reliance and individual responsibility.
It's amazing the hatred this klansman has for the elderly, children, babies, and the poor! This "stupid party," will never learn it's over for them, and they are digging themselves deeper into the hole.
GOOD!!
To the other idiots here, you know, you Romney/Ryan lovers, tell me the percentage of income tax you've just paid, remember now, Romney paid what 14%? I'd bet you're not even .01% of his income, and YOU paid more percentage wise in taxes.
It seems Redvirginia has bought the cancelled White House tours candy from the GOP. Never occurs to conservatives that the cancellation of the tours--which the GOP helped cause--takes the Naive's focus off the furloughs of air traffic controllers, food inspectors, TSA airport security, etc. There are far more important jobs being cut and furloughed than that of WH tour guides. But, hey, the GOPers grasp at straws while the hay bale hits them upside the head.
Exactly, Free a Terrorist, Drone an American....its the Progressive way...FORWARD
It's amazing how liberals can see this sort of thing as something good. A gimmick is not a good thing to present to the American public... you admit knowing it, you admit Obama did it but yet you support this sort of action. You don't support real numbers, real budgets, real facts. You'd much rather Obama lie about things, have it shot down and then brag about how false it was. Something is definitely wrong with your thinking here.
Well said Union baby, well said indeed. The stinking right are so afraid of socialism but don't blink at elitism. They don't feel we earned our retirement. Those like me that are bent and broken from physical labor deserve to have a "few" good years before death. We earned ours too.
@Repojam #1.57,
Under "sequestration" the military gets HALF of the cuts .... while being far less than half of the budget ! This comes after Obama has previously reduced outlays for the military. Is it your desire to totally "GUT" the military ? You do realize what all those UNEMPLOYED soldiers will do then ... up goes the unemployment rate !
Furthermore, bankrupting the military will give a green light to Iran to drop a nuclear bomb on Israel.
Or, are Obama's "tough words" towards Iran just "hot air" ?
Better get your immigration bill passed quickly, you're going to need those 11 million votes in 2014.
Dont_carry_it_all
Who said anything about charter schools? TomasGrande attacked the kids of people who disagree with him politically. My post highlighted dis-ingenuousness of his nasty little rant by proving that at least with my kids, his generalizations don't apply.
Sorry, "edgarw", but the gimmick came from Senator Jeff Sessions.
Morgs74
Why don't you ask your corporate master to give you a raise?
Why don't you look for a better paying job?
I thought Republicans were so capitalistic savvy?
Why do you blame the government for your pitiful lot in life?
Look in the mirror. There's your problem.
Salud
Where do you get these radical ideas from? Don't you realize that with socialism there comes a political elite? Put it together and formulate a rational thought. What republican wants you to suffer? This is a talking point directly from the democrat party so you will believe all republicans want you to not have anything. What you need to do is think about what the democrats are doing to hurt this country as a contrast to their promotion of themselves. As Beverly put it... we are the enemy... do you ever use rational thought to discern what is truth from what is being fed to you?
But you repeated it as if you think a gimmick is a good thing. Is Sessions lying? Was it a gimmick? Was the budget real? Was Obama using genuineness?
Or... or... were you trying to make a point where you think republicans who call it what is is, wrong? Make up your mind.
If Space Aliens came and poisoned half our rivers, wiped out 1 in 10 of our wild species, dismantled entire mountains, laced agricultural lands with genetic poisons, put cancerous materials into our children's toys, torched and hacked 99% of our original forest and radically changed our atmosphere.
Would we get the supreme court to declare them persons and give them all our money?
Or would we mobilize to stop them!!!
TomasGrande -
Nice deflection...now I will ask again but word it differently for you. Why do you thing the government is entitled to more of my paycheck when they have a spending problem?
Not a single line pertains to me. I make plenty of money for my familiy and myself. I don't need a better paying job. I am economically savvy but the government is not.
Now tell me again why you deserve my money that I use to raise my family to support your over spending habits?
Unless you are handicap, retired, or work for the armed services, you deserve nothing. Quit being a leech.
DingleB --Look up the percentage of spending in relation to the economy and you'll find spending is down, comparatively.
Read your link. The United States operates on a mixed economy. Free markets don't exist in that business is propped up by government. Privatized profits and socialized losses are one example. Not to mention all the other support they receive via the tax code.
Let's get this straight. The Ryan budget doesn't CUT spending. In fact is allows government spending to GROW by a reasonable 3.4% a year instead of the ridiculously lavish growth of 4.9% a year which is the path Obama has put us on and which takes us to fiscal ruin.
jim-1455434
My mistake, I thought this article and the discussion was towards the Ryan Budget, which does nothing to military funding. The sequester is doing it's part on defense, the submitted Ryan budget does next to nothing to cut the costs associated with it. The truth is that we spend a lot more on defense than is necessary, and far more than the next country's defense spending.
As for Israel and Iran, that's their war in the event it occurs. If it comes to a first strike situation, we know Israel is more than happy to pull the trigger. Us "bankrupting" our military should have zero to do with that. I do find it hard to believe that something we spend as much on as the military will go bankrupt at any rate. Iran wants to bluster and have been doing so for the last decade. We've been hearing how they'll be the next big boogeyman and how bad Ahmadenijad is supposed to be the next enemy of America for so long now that it's bordering on ridiculous. Over 5 years ago we had a candidate singing about wanting to bomb them. It's tired.
Obama's tough words for Iran? More tough talk. Do we really want to seek out yet another endless war getting more soldiers killed fighting a war for something other than our own national defense? I guess if we do go to war with Iran and some soldiers die, it might lower unemployment.
I don't think that we need to get involved in *every* single conflict. We aren't the world's police force. If it's not a necessity that our soldiers get involved, I'm usually against it. The last thing we need is another decade long occupation of another Middle East country where we spend more time fighting the populace than we do eliminating the threat. I am absolutely against another attempt at nation building in the Middle East.
Our soldiers lives are worth much more than that to me and I do not agree with the idea of threatening someone with the lives of our soldiers casually.
Got to call bovine excrement on you DingleB. When people work, even if for the government do they not get paid? Where do you suppose they take that check and what do they do with the money? Doesn't this money pass on to many hands on its way to the very rich? The problem today is the rich are not living up to their obligation to the rest of us. Simply put they are not creating jobs. So tax the rich, put people to work building roads and schools and other things we need to upgrade if we are going to remain competitive on the world market. It is not a bad thing. That is your tax dollars at work.
Somebody up in the string said to tax the rich 100%, I agree with that person. Why, because eventually that money will trickle back UP. (up, emphasized.) The rich will once again be rich. Thats what they do. But there needs to be equity of opportunity or we end up a third world country. To much has reached the top and hasn't been invested back into this country, by way of taxes or growth. So, yes, tax the rich, and invest in our country.
Morgs74
Wrong again.
You cannot get past the FACT, that you have been brainwashed by the RW media into thinking that Democrats are "leeches".
The fact that you cling onto this propaganda message, proves, beyond a shadow of doubt, that you are mentally incapable of understanding who Democrats are, what Democrats stand for, and what Democrats believe in.
You are quite comfortable blaming Democrats for your problems and that is why you fail.
Simply put, you know NOTHING.
Instead, you are a RW troll, perpetuating RW propaganda, and serve no purpose in the advancement of this great Country.
Conclusion: Your posts are an Epic Fail.
Now run along, and go post your lies on a RW blog.
Salud
Dont_carry_it_all
Indeed. We call it a free market, then over regulate it, tax it, bail it out, and distort it with deficit spending and destructive monetary policy, and then claim that free markets don't work. Many of the problems Barlow-1919963 #1.88 referred to and the problem of widening economic inequality are a result of corporatism at all levels of government, not of the free market.
Here are links to the Congressional Records regarding each of the last two "budgets" introduced by Senator Jeff Sessions on behalf of the President. Here is the "budget" that was defeated 97-0 two years ago...
...and here is the "budget" that was defeated 99-0 last year...
Budgets have numbers and are closer to 2000 pages in length. The "budget" introduced by Senator Sessons on behalf of the President last year had no numbers and was a whopping 56 pages in length.
You tell me...was this a sincere attempt to consider the administration's plan or was it a political game used by Senator Sessions as he introduced this "budget" knowing it would be defeated unanimously so he and his party could embarrass the President?
DingleB
With patents, monopoly laws and everything else, it's pretty difficult to have a free market.
Quite simply, we don't have one. And with the existing laws in place, we won't ever have one.
In March 2009, the Dow closed at 6,626...the nation was suffering through the worst economic crisis in sixty years and republicans said President Obama was a socialist and couldn't handle the economy.
March 5,2013 the Dow has reached an all time new high eclipsing the record of George W. Bush 14,163...a gain of over 7,000 points. Thank you Mr. President..your'e one heck of a socialist.
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Really? If they were taxed 100 percent how would they ever get rich again? Do you know what 100 percent means? It means all of it. Don't you think somewhere along the line, they would run out of money and become poor, just like the class division liberals want them to be?
Here is where government waste our money.
The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has awarded $1.5 million to study biological and social factors for why “three-quarters” of lesbians are obese and why gay males are not, calling it an issue of “high public-health significance.”
What got to do sexual preference with obesity.
It's about The Why? We know why - because Ryan and his GOTea comrades rubber-stamped all Bush spending from 2000 - 2008 and never bothered to figure out how to pay for the big ticket items. Honestly, these guys think we're stupid.
TomasGrande -
I don't need the media to tell how you slugs act. There is a reason why the poor and uneducated vote primarily for the left. I hear you out here every day with your hand out looking for other peoples wealth. You are the living poster child of why people think the extreme left is public enemy number 1.
I personally have no financial woes, but my children certainly will. You have no problem stealing from them. Well thank goodness other people do. I don't want my kids living the quality of life you live. Vile and self loathing. Poor is me, give me your stuff.
Before you talk about who democrats are you need to be able to separate the extremists from your own party, if you don't see any, then you are one. I know plenty of people that lean to the left but fortunately they all have common sense. They don't run their mouths off defending what they know is wrong. They are happy people. You simple won't be until everyone is brought down to your level. Well not everyone lives their life at the tit. Grow up and try to be a little more moderate in your thinking. You will love smiling for once.
The most educated vote left.
@Dont_carry-it-all#1.90: You are correct. Relative to our economy and the continuing slow employment picture, Federal spending cannot go any lower, and be able to sustain any economic uptick. The states, counties and municipalities that have been gaining a little will simply fall back down, and unemployment will again become acute. This "cut spending" call by the republicans is solely for the purpose of grabbing future Social Security and Medicare contributions, and turning these over to their investor masters. Looking for and removing duplication and waste is one thing, but stealing from honest working people is quite another. Don't ever hear either party talk about the closing of the department of "Homeland Security". A duplicative agency if there ever was one, and carries a tremendous cost with a worth of nary a damn. Best regards my Friend.
DingleB -- You write:
I'm not saying that they don't work - I'm saying they don't EXIST. You can't use the free market argument when talking about our economy.
As for over regulation, I would argue the regulations are not clear enough. How bout we streamline them and attach the caveat of DO NO HARM to all regulation. That way we'd have a means of prosecuting them when they act irresponsible.
Mac -- You see what I see. Well said.
Pedestrian-in-SF - Why do people bitch about Bush tax cuts but praise Obama for extending them?
Maybe there's a genetic link?
The budget from a man without a conscience. The Anti-Robin Hood. Give to the rich and take from everyone else. 1.7% GDP growth over 10 years is stagnation. Trickle down is a myth and 30 years of statistics prove it.
Ryan puts far right wing ideology ahead of American national interests
Bill, Fairfax VA
If Republicans truly believe that that the national debt is leading to fiscal disaster, why then did they start two wars paid for with borrowed money for the first time in US history? Why then did they squander a budget surplus by reducing taxes to the point where the revenue was insufficient to support the daily operation of the government? Forcing additional borrowing.
I suggest that their intransigence is the result of the Republican Party's fundamental dislike for President Obama and their willingness to damage the country in failed attempts to discredit him and has nothing whatever to do with fiscal responsibility.
Edgar, the argument is fictitious, and you know it. The point being, the money trickles up, not down, and with the help of the government *republicans in charge. Too much has trickled to the top without those on the top contributing their part to keep it going. There fore a tax hike is called for, as long as the money is invested in jobs. Get those folks working for a decent wage and the deficit and the debt will take care of itself. Of course you rather give to the rich then to support the masses with employment. But that fails ever single time. The U.S. has been going down hill since 1980 with the exception of the Clinton years and that is why.
Ahhh, the gop circle jerk is still feverishly at work. And looky hear we have the albanian idiot, seizure augustus and benny boy sitting smack dab in the middle of the jerk collecting all the little republican "pearls" of wisdom. Keep tripling down on stupid numb nuts and 2014 can't come soon enough.....lmfao
Hey, Paul S, NY NY (#1.31)
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... but jackass is a donkey - so do you have problems with Democrats? Now I think you will be contrite. But we Democrats are very forgiving.
Time for a Reaganism.
"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan
And people on these boards wonder why our government won't work together. Neither side here is willing to compromise. Sound familiar?
Moorgs, 1.49
You must be one of those fake Christians to say that; "They help those who help themselves."
This is not in the bible. It is a derived from a quote by Benjamin Franklin. Nothing to do with Christianity.
Jesus said to sell all your posessions and give the procedes to the poor, then follow him.
Mac -- To expound a bit on the money grab thing. Can't help but believe the biggest theft in American history was perpetrated under the guise of the so-called housing "bubble". Banks and Wall Street, through the tax code, exchanged "Monopoly" money they were playing with for the real stuff. We, on the other hand, were left holding the bag.
Dingleb,
There is no free market and never has been in any country.
Immigration control directly affects the cost of labor, which is a significant determinator of the price of your product or service.
Much negativity re the Ryan budget proposal......expected from the left who have all of the answers.
But where is the President's budget request? Late again, isn't it?
Where is the Senate budget? Really late with Harry and his dysfunctional boys and girls not submitting since when?
Where is the compro0mise from the Progressives? Hmmmmmm.
Hey Pigotry, donkey's only like boar's head, nothing but the best, Hambone !!!
ED-2874315 and others,
I'm not claiming that we have or ever have had "free" markets. What I'm saying is that when we distort the market like we have, we can't turn around and blame all our problems on capitalism. For example, the housing boom and resulting economic downturn would not have happened without manipulated interest rates.
Yep, ObamaCare is SOOOOOO good, even SEIU service employees at a hospital in Washington State is on the picket line BECAUSE OF THE HIGHER COST OF ObamaCare:
Wonder why Trumpka didn't go through the White House Oval Office revolving door to get these folks a "WAIVER".
Gotta love the Progressive hypocrisy.
Can't wait to hear the "details" of Peppermint Patty's (FAILED chairperson of the Budget Reduction Committee) Progressive budget.
So funny to see Republicans with a Fox hangover, fishing from their toilet for info !!!
It is even funnier to see Republicans fishing in their toilets .... and catching YOU ! Home ?
Presidents Budget is going to be 2 months late, does he think that he is above the law?
Presidents Budget will include lots of increased taxes, but the real question is how much will it cut?
What are the chances that the Presidents Budget will come close to balancing the budget in 10 years ? less that 10 %
Biggest Oxy-moron in modern history - The Affordable Care Act
Without a doubt - it will - bankrupt the country
People seriously have no clue - the trusting uninformed will whine with pain - when the results become reality
Never - Never say - you had no clue this could happen
Tell your children and grandchildren - YOLO - and it sucks to be you!
What a Bunch of Idiots - we have at the helm - spending so crazily in this Bizzaro Obamanation
Undeniable facts that even our children - will see through easily - and ask - WHY?
ED-2874315 -
You will get no religion out of me but you are right, I attributed it to the bible.
Take heed! Start with your computer.
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Cat got your tongue Willy?
Dumba$$ Backhouse does the same thing all the time. BIOYA.
Hell, Ben, you type nothing even when you type something. Righty fascist like you know nothing.
Poor Ben-another frustrated GOPTP'er who's still mad the Democrats whipped his azz again and just can't seem to get over it! He obviously worships Lyin' Ryan and his other dumbazz cronies, regardless of how stupid their proposals are. And such a cute and patriotic little moniker too!
What about the Ohio poll worker who voted 6 times for Obama, guess that is not news worthy of MSNBC's lofty standards ??
Ryan got his new budget from GWB, is Paul having a dehydration Rubio attack ???
Let's see, in the 112th congress the right wing tried 32 times to repeal Obama Care, and they failed then. So, do they want to try 32 more failures in the 113th congress?
The republican-tea bagger have proven to the Nation that they could be replaced by 4th graders who would a better job, and they would work cheaper.
Agenda21, what about the 10 Florida GOPers who falsified voter registration forms with made up voters, and have pleaded guilty to same?
What is this, Ryan for president in a 2016 do over? Ryan and Rand in 2016, the bland leading the bland. Ryan and Rand we are going shoot government spending down; Ready!, Fire!....Aim?
“I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people” -Sir Isaac Newton
Bill, understand this, you will never be the #1 post. First Read has their liberal insiders who know in advance when an upcoming article is about to be published and who have pre-written responses ready the moment the articles go live. Using a Pelosi-ism, they are First Read's astroturf.
"And then there's Congressman Paul Ryan. On the plus side, he has piercing blue bedroom eyes. On the minus side, he's a heartless smirking bastard, and the only people who can stand him are heartless smirking bastards. And Mitt, you already have that vote locked up." –Bill Maher
The president is developing a credibility problem. For months leading up to the “Republican” budget sequester we endured hysterical claims of impending catastrophe from him and his cabinet members. Other than he and members of the press who unquestioningly parroted his claims having to collectively wipe the egg off their faces, the only apparent impact the sequester has had is Mr. Obama canceling White House tours. That and the realization that the president has trouble with facts. After repeatedly denying that he and Jack Lew authored the budget sequester he finally had to fess up. Thank you Mr. Woodward for reminding us what journalists are supposed to do.
Mr. Obama is at his best when he can read attack lines off his teleprompter. He is at his worst when has to answer questions directly. Because of that I think Paul Ryan should challenge the president to engage in an open budget debate, in front of cameras for everyone to see. They should use the same format as the first debate between Romney and Obama so each could challenge and respond to the others statements. Despite the presidents claims to the contrary, the country seems fairly divided over the role of government, and how much of our money it really needs. It would be refreshening to hear each man make his case, unfiltered by political hacks and members of the press.
I don’t expect that president would ever accept such a challenge. I’m sure he still remembers how that first debate went.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first."
- Ronald Reagan
The Debt Clock is hanging on the wall in the Reagan Library :) :) "Wink Wink" !!!
A Big Crack in Paul Ryan's Armor. The term "fiscally responsible" itself implies a certain presumed aspect of responsibility regarding fiscal policy. Paul Ryan's actions never came close to meeting the definition of fiscal responsibility. Ryan voted for every single UNFUNDED piece of Bush/Cheney/GOP legislation from 2001-2008. He never once stood on the House floor to voice objections to two unfunded wars, an unfunded Medicare Part D Rx plan, several rounds of unfunded tax cuts, stimulus packages, and other costly unfunded legislation. Ryan voted "YEA" for each and every single one. Ryan, the fiscal hawk, embraced unfunded spending until President Obama took the Oath of Office.
The GOP is good at creating myths, good at selling them. The selling of the mythological Paul Ryan began five or six years ago. Conservatives--Media in tow--sold Ryan as a young, smart, rising GOP star, a fiscal conservative, a small-government republican, a fiscal hawk. Trouble is, most of the Media never bothered to verify at least until Ryan ran as the VP candidate when they took note of his words in comparison to his actions.
Ryan plans to release his latest Budget today, the third of its kind. The previous ones were not serious budgets, neither is this one. In fact, there were almost no real numbers in them. His latest assumes the repeal of ObamaCare. TAKE HEED CONSERVATIVES, RYAN KEEPS THE TAXES in ObamaCare, keeps the $716 billion in medicare cuts to providers plus cuts another $770 billion from medicaid for the poorest among us. The only thing Ryan repeals is the HEALTH CARE part of it and the part which gives ordinary working people a tax credit to help with insurance affordability. The whole purpose of ObamaCare--to provide health insurance to more people including those with pre-existing conditions--will be repealed but the cuts and the taxes to fund ObamaCare, Ryan keeps; he just hopes no one notices.
When FOX's Chris Wallace criticizes Paul Ryan's latest Boondoggle Budget, it seems the media has finally noticed the big crack in Paul Ryan's armor, he's not serious--he never was a serious fiscal hawk or remotely fiscally responsible except in the GOP's Myth-Creating Department.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Ralph Waldo Emerson must have been describing Paul Ryan.
Guess Lyn' Ryan thinks he won...well get over it more people voted AGAINST Ryan and Mythe...so guess wot...it ain't the path the NATION wants to take...Get real....instead of trying to repeal the ACA...TRY...MAYBE TRY...to pass some JOB JOB JOB Bills....
In a bizarre conversation with Joe in Albany yesterday, he ranted on about the "thousands of Canadians flock to the US for medical care. He did not respond when I answered with ... and the 875,000 Americans who sought healthcare outside of the US in 2010? This year it is estimated that the number will be 6million. They call it medical tourism but it is actually uninsured people in the US who cannot afford US medical care.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-04-04/national/35231713_1_health-care-medical-tourism-devi-shetty
Paul NY NY, it's definitely time to bring back the "Lyin' Ryan" line as often as possible.
BCWC, Albany Joe ignores what he doesn't like; he's a classic republican truth denier. Albany ignores that when Canadians seek treatment in the USA, it is generally for specialized treatment not available in Canada or at least unavailable in close proximity to where they live; and ignores that those treatments are FULLY paid for by their Canadian insurance. I hope some day, the USA finally opts for Single Payer.
It's beyond me how republicans can rant about the high cost of health insurance, health care and medicare in the USA without ever acknowledging that part of the reason the costs are so high here is that too many Americans cannot afford health insurance, and a few who can afford it refuse to buy it; then the Emergency Room becomes their physician. Those of us with health insurance pay the costs of the uninsureds care.
BCWC...remember that the GNOP can't handle facts....the only fact they like are the "facts" they make up!
Jody -
You are "spot on" in your analysis of Paul Ryan. I have no idea why anyone who is even slightly familiar with mathematics would consider him a "numbers guy".
Ryan's previous budgets have been anything but balanced. His prior budgets included detailed, specific tax cuts that would reduce tax revenue by $4.3 trillion over the next 10 years.
Ryan then claims these tax cuts will be made revenue-neutral by closing unspecified loopholes.
In this same 10-year period the Ryan Budget contains specified spending cuts of around $1 trillion. Medicaid funding is reduced by $800 billion, food stamps by $130 billion, and Pell grants to college students are reduced.
Ryan's budget also includes $700 billion in Medicaid savings from the ACA – the same $700 billion the Romney attack ads accuse President Obama of cutting - because Ryan claims they were in the "baseline". So now we are up to $1.7 trillion in spending cuts.
So the Ryan Budget specifies $4.3 trillion in revenue reductions and $1.7 trillion in spending cuts for a total deficit increase of $2.5 trillion – and this does not even include his proposed increases in military spending!
So how do you get from a $2.5 trillion deficit increase to a balanced budget? Ryan relies on "secret" tax reforms and "super-secret" spending cuts that will magically transform this $2.5 trillion deficit increase into a deficit reduction.
So that's the Ryan Budget formula - reduce taxes on the wealthy, change Medicare into a voucher system, cut spending on lower-income families and college students….
……sprinkle with magic pixie dust, alter the rules of mathematics, and ABRACADABRA – Deficit Reduction!
Paul Ryan - The Deficit? I Built That!
Hey hoser: That 875,000 is less than 3 tenths of one percent of the US population. And, if you want to go to some sh!thole like Bangalore for your medical care, be my guest.
Moron.
BCWC, Albany Joe ignores what he doesn't like; he's a classic republican truth denier.
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Jody: you can be kinda cute when you get your leftuous indignation in an uproar. :~)
Hey Joe in Assville
If you don't mind traveling, a number of insurance companies in the US are starting to offer plans that will allow you to seek medical attention in a number of countries ... Canada, Mexico, Europe where prices are 50% cheaper ... hell even a hospital is opening in the Caymans.
I guess all the libturds seem to think that because Romney/Ryan did not win the election, Democrats have a LICENSE to destroy the fiscal viability of our country through massive $1 trillion + annual deficits !!
Apparently, the REALITY of "Separation of Powers" has not entered their pea brains yet ... because our country is NOT a dictatorship, or even a monarchy ! The House is there to put a curb towards Obama's tax and spend philosophy ... as the moron-in-chief tries to push our country to HIS view of Utopia .......... without PAYING for it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jody---Paul Ryan reminds me of the old fable of the emperor's new clothes. A lot of hype but no substance, yet the media continues to play along. How can it be considered a valid budget proposal when it would require the repeal of the President's signature legislation? I could balance the budget tomorrow if I did away with defense spending but who would pass that?
"Are you excited about Paul Ryan? He's a far, far-right ideologue. The Republican base loves him. He's kind of an English-speaking version of Sarah Palin." –Bill Maher
I find it completely hilarious when you have posters here that use names for some people, and get their dandruff so riled up it looks like it's snowing, when a poster posts the presidents name in the same derogitory manner.
Really easy to see those with the holier than though attitude
Zappas, maybe if those posters stopped referring to President Obama in a derogatory manner, other posters would be less inclined to call them names. It's a two-way street on FR, it is not Utopia.
Seeing the clip of Paul Ryan's interview with FOX's Chris Wallace reminded me that Ryan is the perfect example of an old-time snake-oil salesman. He said "premium support" is not the same as a voucher because a voucher is a check sent to the individual--never mind, that "premium support" is a check for the same amount paid directly to the person's chosen insurance company. It's semanitics and nothing more, it's Ryan smoke and mirrors. What an arrogant shyster Ryan is. How many senior citizens could find a health insurance company to cover them at age 65 (or if GOPers have their way, 66 or 67) for an affordable monthly premium--especially if the GOP repeals ObamaCare?
maybe if those posters stopped referring to President Obama in a derogatory manner
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Jody: Barry gets the same level of respect from me that lefty liberals showed for "W", "Shrub", "Dubya", "the Bushies", and "Dumbya".
Don't forgrt such usage as "repukes", "rethuglicans", "right wing nut jobs" .... yes, the libs can dish it out, but can't seem to take it !
Jody, spot on in your analysis of Paul Ryan. He has been puffed up and lauded by some in his party who were dazzled by his fantasies and the media took the words and never vetted him until he was nominated for VP. It became evident to me, perhaps you remember when, during that GOP retreat in Maryland, they invited the President to answer their questions including Paul Ryan, and he totally blew them away with his accurate knowledge of the budget and other important topics.
When I see or read about Ryan, I think of 'The emperor has no clothes' and no real know how as to what really needs doing
"The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program."
- Ronald Reagan
Think about it: Ronald Reagan increased the national debt by 189%, an all-time record. He never met a government defense program he didn't like or a tax cut that benefited the wealthy like him. While you quote him, two words come to my mind. Iran Contra!
As Mark Twain would say ... "There are lies, DAMNED LIES, and statistics". Of course, being a liberal you DELIBERATELY ATTEMPT TO DISTORT THE TRUTH !
Care to show total national debt increase under Reagan's 8 years versus Obama's massive runup in only 4 years ?
"....it will -- incredibly -- be the first budget they’ve released in four years"
If you rely on liberal media like First Read, you may not be aware Senate Democrats havent passed a budget in 4 years...they dont mention this much.
GOP Comeback 2014
GOP Comeback 2014
We get it. You worship the assorted numb nuts over @ FOX
NEWSENTERTAINMENT!What is the punishment for either chamber that doesn't pass a budget?
The punishment by the voters for the Democrat Senators that didn't pass a budget in almost 4 years was to award them more seats.
Dennis in the bubble- look to the GOP for failing to pass anything (as the majority of voters correctly blame) , and holding the Senate hostage. Once we throw out the rest of the american-hating conservatives we will be able to continue fixing the mess the conservatives made of the economy and the country as a whole.
You can't believe VP Bob. Remember, he lies as much as Lyin Ryan. He can't honor his bet.
JXC, If I remember much of the complaints about the right, it centered around the need for compromise. It is my understanding that compromise starts with each side presenting their position, for the Democrats, it would be presenting a budget, debating it and having a vote on it. The Senate would/could not do that, it becomes very hard to compromise if one side won't present what their proposal is.
I have no problem when the left says they hate Ryan's budget proposal, that they don't like what the house passed and sent to the Senate, but I do take exception to Democrats in Congress refusing to present a detailed budget that can be read, dissected and given to the voters for their inspection.
I'm not absolving the Republicans from some of the stupid things they have done, but it is time for those on the left to call out the Democrats and some of the stupid things they are doing.
"The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government but doesn't have to take the civil service examination."
- Ronald Reagan
Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of your country. This leaves out all republican males..
That is a real smart comment. You leave out republican males and you will not have anyone to fund all your favorite little give aways!
Wait a minute stupid, I am a democrat, I worked and paid my taxes so you can give tax breaks to the very rich, bite it. The most irresponsible of the people are those like you that want to live here free. Free riders like you are the problem. Not the working people like me.
And if you leave out the republican males...................................................you still have a majority!
Besides, who would scream and whine about taxing the rich if we left them out?
Typical liberal response from Jonass. Wish you were here to discuss it with me. I paid more in taxes this year than you will in your lifetime. Stupid!
Hi Johntho,
It's funny how the 47% that voted for Willard and Lyin Ryan think they pay all of the taxes. Truth be told, they are the dead beats.
I have been saying that for a long time. It is those that want to live here without supporting the country and the government that are the problem. Not people like you and me who work, support our families and pay our taxes that are doing the right thing. Those that are left are Republicans.
"I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress."
- Ronald Reagan
Johntho, the sad part of your comment is that it shows that you feel that Democrats had no hand in creating all the tax breaks you refer to. With any sense of history, you will find that the tax code was created with the help or behest of Democrats, as well as Republicans. To deny this is to deny the culpability of Democrats have in getting us into the mess we are in.
Once everyone accepts responsibility for where we are, the easier it will be to get back on the right track.
JRL, that is just not true, three pinocchio's for you. The republicans are responsible for all the tax cuts since 1980 that favored the very rich. Democrats have fought against that. Now that is what the truth looks like. Embrace it. We are in this mess because of borrow and spend republicans, while called tax and spend democrats at least they pay for their spending. This country does not have a spending problem at all. It has a revenue problem, a republican created problem.
Johntho, I believe you are in denial. The tax code is not the product of some Republican plan, it is a joint effort by both parties to take care of their own.
oops double post. Keyboard grimlins.
More like "user error" ... so anxious to post your nonsense !
"RNC Chair Reince Priebus went to Brooklyn, NY, yesterday, where he met with black Republicans."
Both of them.
LOL, its early but got to give you the award for funny post of the day. Good one Auntie.
Good one, AuntieFascist! Johntho's right, you get the award for funniest post today.
"When the middle ground of "compromise" produces an outcome that requires folks on both sides to abandon deeply cherished principles, then "compromise" will not happen."
Bill, this is as far as I got in your post. It wasn't worth the time. When your "deeply cherished principles" are "screw the American people", you will have earned your place in the dust bin of history.
How come [At least on my computer] That Ryan always appears to be sneaking in or out of a door.Is he that much feared or is he that much scared. How did he ever get to be part of leadership of the GOP?The GOP is slowly fading away!
You are suffering from "Delusions of Adequacy" ... you clowns won the last election by a few percentage points nationwide ! Now, Obama has a golden opportunity to further BURY the U.S. in debt. By the time Obama is done, he will have doubled the national debt of ALL his predecessors combined !!
Libturds everywhere will run around in circles, loudly applauding this great "accomplishment" while our debt is downgraded AGAIN, and our country slips towards yet another recession ! Printing money with no restraint can only prop up our economy for so long before it all comes down like a house of cards !
That man Paul Ryan lies so much, it's hard to imagine anyone wanting his budget and dismissing all of his repeated lies on every position. It sure bothers me that this man a talking lying buffoon, is fooling so many.
So tell us Job1, who balances your checkbook ? You seem incapable of handling financial matters without help.
POOR lil lieing crying Ryan.. he reminds me of the little kid on the play ground that gets his butt kicked everyday at recess..
..so I guess we now know why Ryan wasn't invited to the dinner and ONLY lunch the next day @ the White House.. and we can speculate the lunch date was civil between the two, but the President let Ryan KNOW he is POTUS and Ryan is NOT ..and that the "Patient Care Act" is LAW of the land and will not be repealed.. so Ryan STOP trying.. (laughing)..
T-G-K,
Only Senators were invited to the dinner, members of the House were the ones that were invited to the lunch.
The Ryan Plan...borrow and spend...borrow and spend...borrow and spend...
The Democratic Plan ................................................................................................................
Dems have no plan other than raise taxes, redistribute, borrow,spend, tax again, giveaway dumbass loans, spend, pass more legislation that will bankrupt our country, IGNORE the rapidly rising national debt ..... and blame it on Republicans such as Bush, or Ronald Reagan who has been dead for quite some time now !
Didn't we just have an election?
Posted by Greg Sargent
Imagine that Mitt Romney had decisively defeated Obama in the 2012 election on a platform of tax cuts for the rich and deep cuts to government as the only way to reduce the deficit, dramatically repudiating the President's call for higher taxes on the wealthy, continued implementation of the biggest expansion of the safety net in 60 years, and more government spending to boost the economy.
Then imagine that Democrats in the Senate (the only part of government they controlled) responded to this by proposing to dramatically expand health care and stimulus spending and pay down the deficit only with 100 percent tax hikes — and not a single penny more in spending cuts — and on top of that, then suggested President Romney has failed to sincerely try to find common ground with them.
On Fox News Sunday, Paul Ryan confirmed that his budget will repeal Obamacare (even as he counts in his budget the $700 billion in Obamacare Medicare cuts that Republicans campaigned against in 2012). The Ryan budget will supposedly wipe out the deficit in 10 years. This likely will mean even deeper cuts than the ones in his previous budget, which represented the GOP's fiscal agenda writ large and broadly speaking was rejected by voters last November.
Paul Ryan — the same Paul Ryan who again called for repealing Obamacare yesterday — said this: "The proof will be in the coming weeks as to whether or not it is a real sincere outreach to find common ground." Meanwhile, there were no signs GOP leaders are willing to give an inch on new revenues, even though they are being offered more in entitlement cuts in exchange for them.
The impasse is broadly presented as only a disagreement over tax hikes — as if the only obstacle to a deal is that Republicans don't want to raise taxes, and Democrats do. In fact, Democrats have offered Republicans a fair amount of what they say they want (entitlement cuts) and have asked for something in return (new revenues). Republicans have responded by not only continuing to insist that the fiscal battle be resolved 100 percent their way, but also by doubling down on the demand for repeal of Obama's signature domestic initiative. Even if you think Dems have not gone far enough with their offer of entitlement cuts, this general picture is still a broadly accurate portrayal of what's happening. And news accounts just don't explain it with any clarity.
After decisively losing an election that was all about whether we should invest in and expand the safety net, Republicans are broadening their demand that we roll it back dramatically. This behavior is simply nothing remotely like anything Dems are doing. It's odd that commentators who insist that bipartisan compromise is the Holy Grail aren't a bit more worked up about this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/03/11/the-morning-plum-didnt-we-just-have-an-election/?hpid=z2
In other words, Ryan and Republican leaders started off opposing the ACA's Medicare cuts, then turned around and twice passed budgets that kept them, then campaigned against those cuts in the 2012 election, and are now embracing them again.
Deeply, fundamentally unserious. People should say so.
Like 'Ol Yogi said "Déjà vu all over again". The Yahoo Brethren have been playing this same old broken record for the last five years. Rather than do something that the Majority wants we are going to do what we can HooDoo you out of
When Ryan reminds us that the Romney/Ryan ticket carried seniors, all I can think is well, they did it by running false ads about President Obama and they weren't hurting today's seniors with their program to voucherize Medicare. That program hurts folks in their 40s and 50s who have already paid in for more than 20 years.
IR, nice post. At least Greg Sargent is calling bullpucky what it is. The media should stop touting false equivalencies and start doing their jobs--report the facts and the truth. Both sides are not obstructing, both sides are not refusing to compromise; only one side is--the GOPTP.
When Chris Wallace criticizes Ryan's Budget, and a few others in the media question the Young Gun's fantasies, it could be Ryan will finally be placed in the irrelevant dust bin where he belongs.
This is a perfect example of why no form of government has ever lasted. Internally, it is always about money. Unfettered capitalism, whether under a monarch, dictator or representative government always leads to a few at the top being wealthy and thereby controlling government. That ends in revolution. Socialism does not work because it starts with the premise that all people are equal. We say that but that is not what we mean. Even under the law that is not true. Norway has done well because of the North Sea and the fact that they are all the same. I think the handwriting is on the wall. Conservatives don't care about the deficit. If they did they never would have voted to fight two wars without paying for them. Taxes is the only thing they have left so it is a matter of divide and conquer. A sad ending.
Ryan has decided to continue the Republican mantra of,"NO!" To use his buddy's phrase This is Dead On Arrival. It is a non-offer and will be given all the consideration it deserves - which is ZERO. This guy is a bad joke on the public. I'm reminded of Peter Pan and the song Never Smile at a Crocodile, "Don't be taken in by his welcome grin. He's imagining how well you'd fit within his skin."
Enough of this false equivalence. repub policies have ALLWAYS resulted in FAILURE:
listening to these FAILURES and low lifes is like listening to a 2 year old trying to explain Einstein's Theory of Relativity.
STOP LISTENING TO FAILURES...
Terribly biased, misguided article. What does a former campaign that was won on minority voting and women's reproductive rights have to do with the budget? Bottom line the budget (especially entitlements) must be gotten under control. Or else we're headed for really bad economic times. Really bad. That's what this article should have focused on. The future not the past. Using Stockton, CA as the bellwether.
a 'former campaign'? you mean the national election of the POTUS? pfft, yeah. that was so totally last year, and completely meaningless in every way, shape and form.
yes, the transformation obama was seeking has happened and substantive discourse has been replaced by drivel/politics. regular order for the budget is that the president proposes and the senate and house respond. that has happened once since obama was elected. the senate hasn't passed a budget in 4 years and obama has submitted his proposed budget on time once. let the other party go first and take issue with their proposal is called politics. everyone meet their responsibilities and try to agree on a budget is regular order. what obama has done successfully is to pit one group against another and set up straw arguments where he distorts the opposition position and then takes his distortions to task. we have bought into this foolishness and frankly i thought we as a nation were smarter than that. it's a shame we don't have a free press.
if at first you lose, just ignore why you lost and continue losing.
genius!
"KEEP YOUR GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE!"
Wonder if all those signs and all those sign-toters of years gone by will make their presences felt with the Chair of the House Budget Committee when the full import of premium support gets discovered...
How many of you who are commenting on his budget have read it not just read bias articles?
Is it the entire document available on line line? Has it been presented publicly yet? Have you read it yet?
No I haven't. I also am not foolish enough to comment when I know I do not have all the facts.
by the way it is posted
Fish, Point well taken. I'd like to add, for those that may read it, please tell us how it compares to the Democrats budget.
This guy is a real card!!! He should crawl under the rock that him and Scott walker came out from under. He is a "REAL DOUCH BAG" I am ashamed to be from Wisconsin with a Rep like him!!!!
"Tell me one area where Paul Ryan and Sarah Palin would disagree? I cannot find one area. So somehow he's the smartest guy in the party and she's the stupidest woman on earth, but they agree on everything." -Bill Maher
Job, an original thought please.
JRL, its joke, and a funny joke. Maybe the reason that you don't understand that is because it is also the truth and people like you don't listen to the truth enough to recognize it. You listen to people like Rush.
Johntho, first, I rarely listen to Rush, if I do it's because of some clip of him on the news. Second, if you take the time to read what I post, and admittedly I lean more conservative, I accept the problems that some conservatives have created. What most left leaning people here refuse to do is accept any responsibility for what the problems the left has created; the tax code being a case in point.
How supposedly intelligent people could vote for this guy Ryan is beyond me. Ryan is the reason Mitt Romney lost the election. But stupid voters do stupid things. Look who we have for President.
Tarzan, Mitt Romney is the reason Mitt Romney lost the election; Ryan was just the icing on the robot's 47% cake.
I got to agree with at least part of Tarzan's post, the part where he says nobody could vote for Ryan, and Lyan Ryan was integral part of the LyanRyan/Romney team. His association with the vouchers would sway a lot of votes. America just don't want that "fix" for Medicare. I have been to Janesville, Wi. I can't believe working class people send him back to congress from there. They didn't look like imbeciles, to me.
I don't agree with him about the president, I think we got a bargain, Vulture/Voucher would have cost a whole lot more of the middle class.
I haven't taken my smart pill yet today, so maybe that's why this clip from a WSJ op/ed piece as reported by First Read doesn't make too much sense to me:
". . . WSJ reported that without cuts in the public sector, a.k.a. government jobs, unemployment would be 7.1% rather than the 7.7% where it is today." (Italics in the original)
Can someone translate that quote for me? Seems to me that cutting jobs, whether public or private sector, would increase the unemployment rate not reduce it. Maybe I need a few more cups of coffee this morning.
You are drinking the wrong kind of coffee. A little Canadian Club in your coffee in the morning does wonders.
you are correct, that is basically what the WSJ is saying, but the phrasing is kind of awkward.
the WSJ is saying that if public sector jobs were NOT being cut, then unemployment would be lower - obviously.
Bruce, odd wording for sure but the facts in the WSJ are correct. Had we not been cutting, both at the federal and state levels, public-sector jobs, the unemployment rate would be even lower than it is and the economy would be stronger, the deficit would also be lower. It's why austerity is the economy's and budget's worst enemy. The notion that government jobs aren't "real" jobs and do not impact the economy is stupidity on steroids. Jobs are jobs. Those public-sector lost jobs are teachers, police, fire fighters, city and state road maintence workers, garbage collectors, snow plow drivers, etc.
Just to clarify, if we stopped cutting government jobs, we would be lowering the unemployment rate. Does that mean that if the Government hired every unemployed person in the country, we could eliminate unemployment in the country, we could eliminate poverty in the country; heck, all the problems are solved.
By employing more public sector jobs the unemployment rate would go down. OMG, that's the answer!! Why didn't I think of that??? Let's just create enough public jobs to bring the unemployment rate down to 2%!! I'm sure China would be glad to pay their salaries.
Yes JRL it would, the next question is who is going to pay for it. I suggest those that have the most start getting off some of their money and invest in the U.S. for a change. They are the ones, (with the help of republican/tea party) that has made this mess. They need to step up and fix it. This is not a hand out. People will work for their money and we will get things done that need to get done for a change. The bottom line is these rich are the ultimate benefactor of this prosperity. Money trickles up, not down, or we would be prosperious now after years and years of supply side economic's
Johntho, carry your solution out. Say the government raises taxes on the top 2% and they use that money to hire enough people to make a difference in unemployment, what kind of jobs does the government create for them? Do they decide that they are going to work on the infrastructure? What is to become of the individuals that bet everything to start a company that repairs road, bridges, power lines, water service etc. Do we just say sorry? I believe the job of the government is to do things that individuals can not do for themselves. There are certainly things only the government can do, projects that are so big and cross so many lines, only the Federal Government can get it done, but even than, most projects like this are done through private contractors.
Let the government do what the government should do, create an environment that allows individuals grow and protects those that need help.
As an aside, I'd like you to look at a city like Milwaukee, WI. Milwaukee is the second most segregated major city in the country, the level of poverty is in the top 10 for major cities and the public schools have serious problems; than look back to the early 1940's and see that since than, there has never been a republican mayor. We have a 70 year history of Democrats running the city and end up with abysmal numbers. Those on the left love to point out the economy after 8 yrs of Bush, that's fair; now look at Milwaukee after 70 years of Democratic control. If you feel inclined, look at the number of years that Chicago has been run by Democrats.
As usual the tea people republicans Paul Ryan in-particular, steals the Democrats President Obama's in-particular ideas incorporates them into his budget as if they were his own which theoretically balance his budget. It's amazing after all these tea people republicans rail against anything the Democrats or President Obama propose, and use them as their own ideas. Wake up tea people republicans, Ryan's an idiot. He sits around doing nothing as a good tea people republican does, waiting for someone to come up with an idea he can steal. He's just like Romney, he never had a good idea about anything. He learned well from Romney. "You don't have to do anything, just wait till you see something works then take it as your own". It's good to finally see the media doesn't think Ryan's the boy wonder on the budget they thought he was. But it looks like the boy wonder Ryan is going to bring the monster down the media created.
its all just for show. even when the POTUS uses policy ideas that were originally republican policies, the repubs still vote against the legislation in congress. heck, republicans even vote against their own sponsored bills if the POTUS even hints that he thinks the bill might be a good compromise.
the party of NO even says it to itself from time to time. classic.
Same old "I'm right and if you agree with me you're right too" garbage from a couple of lefties.
One "genius" says Republicans are stealing ideas from Obama, and the other "genius" goes along with that STUPIDITY.
Note the Obama and Democrats have made it clear that Medicare and Social Security are UNTOUCHABLE, despite the Liar in Chief saying he was "open to ideas" or "open to discussion", which in Obamaspeak means, I'm not doing anything except raising taxes, and spending TRILLIONS more that this nation can't afford.
But it sounds good to the shoe lickers that follow me.
Cheryl has already indicated that Obama 'stole" over $700 billion from Medicare which means he "cut" medicare. Furthermore Cheryl apparently has never heard of "chain cpi" concerning social security. Conservatives are as dumb as a bag of rocks.
Actually, most 4th graders of Democrats are smarter than the average Republican adult.
Romney was our last best hope for America. He had it all - leadership skills, negotiating skills, balancing budget skills, compassion, business sense. The one thing he lacked was the ability to play as dirty as his opponent. He knew he had an uphill battle before him. You see, when people figure out they can vote themselves money they, in their selfishness, will do it. And with that you have the downward spiral of the nation.
Which Romney, the one that dissed nearly half the people or the one that wouldn't give up his tax returns so everyone could see how he cheated. Maybe the Romney that escaped taxes here by keeping off shore accounts. I really found very little to like about this man. He was everything the working class didn't need. His way is what has bankrupted us. We saw his leadership when he stuck his foot in his mouth in Israel. No Thanks. At least we have a president that is sticking up for the middle class working folks and the poor.
As usual the libs go into denial. Social Security and Medicare are going broke, but they're untouchable to Democrats who refuse to do absolutely ANYTHING to save either program.
Obamacare STOLE 716 Billion dollars from Medicare to HIDE the actual costs of Obamacare, with even Obama going out and saying that they would make up the cost by "cutting fraud, waste, and abuse", something NO one in Washington has or is ever willing to do and they STILL haven't done to this day.
A balanced budget it TEN YEARS, you do understand that, right libs? Not 25 TRILLION in debt with more coming, not driving millions of jobs overseas with more taxes and regulations. Not borrowing HALF of evey dollar we spend.
Gee it'll be just like the Clinton years.
You DO remember the Clinton years, right libs? When Republicans wrote the bills and laws and we had a BALANCED BUDGET, unemployment below 4%, and weren't taxing companies and the successful out of business?
You MUST remember the 90's libs libs. After all, you actually defended a President who lied to a judge, a jury, and to YOU, and that man today is the most popular Democrat in the country. And for a DECADE now, all we've heard from you is how "Clinton balanced the budget".
You just simply choose to forget that he signed nearly every bill written and sent to him by Republicans that got us out of FORTY YEARS of Democrats doing the same old tax, regulate, borrow, and spend spend spend year after year. The SAME tax, regulate, borrow, and spend spend spend stupidity you support today.
Obama stole $716 billion? What is it called when Ryan uses the same $716 billion in his NEW budget Cheryl?
Math has never been a republican strong suit.
CherylLM
As usual the libs go into denial. Social Security and Medicare are going broke, but they're untouchable to Democrats who refuse to do absolutely ANYTHING to save either program.
cheryl, i though reagan did things to save SS & medicare 30 years ago, i guess it did not work.
the truth is that for the last 30 years every body has says that once the baby boomers start to retire the system will be in a postion of going broke. too many people retiring and not enough paying in to the system. it will be this way till 2029, 65 years after the baby boom ended
the only thing possible is too cut benifets to those who have paid in for the last 40 years (not fair aint going to happen) including folks like Hillary, Bill, the Bush brother, Biden and most of the congress and senators.
Now so stop with this that the president is in denial SH*T because that is what it is.
here is another quote from you garbage post,
You DO remember the Clinton years, right libs? When Republicans wrote the bills and laws and we had a BALANCED BUDGET, unemployment below 4%, and weren't taxing companies and the successful out of business?
i remember them very well,
We cut defense by a billions and billions and raised taxes to the levels Obama wants.
are you telling us this is what you want?
or are you full of it.
In a side note, Reince Priebus and all of the Republicans in this bubble lie as much as Lying Ryan and Willard. What a great lesson the GOP is sending to the kids of America. Lying is the answer.
You sure are stealing a lot of oxygen from the people of this nation. Please stop.
Oh, "in a side note", Obama has been caught lying MORE than he's been caught telling the truth, to go along with Harry Reid's and Nancy Pelosi's lies. Do a little research.
But then again, "geniuses" like you actually EXPECT your "leaders" to lie to you, don't you? After all, in your OWN words, "lying is the answer".
You know the difference between Cheryl and a pit bull? At some point a pit bull does stop whining.
Remember Cheryl, this was from Fox News:
Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.
Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.
Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.
Of course Cheryl live in that republican bubble in which facts and figures can't get in. It's a sad way to go through life.
Besides Job1, the pit bull is smarter than Cheryl.
Mosephus, We know you are "in" to personal attacks because you offer NOTHING of substance !
Again, you prove my point with your post !
Don't talk about great lessons to the children of America. Teach them to spend what they don't have. Hang trillions of dollars in debt around their necks so you can buy votes. Obama is a disgusting, no talent show boat. Get back on the VIEW.