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Republicans set the stage for this spring's fiscal battles by readying the debut of their new budget blueprint on Tuesday, which they said would achieve $4.6 trillion in savings and balance the U.S. budget within a decade.
Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., argued that his forthcoming budget — the third he's authored as chairman of the House Budget Committee — would be able to achieve a balanced budget by 2023, and boost the gross national product by as much as 1.7 percent in the meanwhile.
The plan is unlikely to ever become law in its entirety; it assumes a repeal of President Barack Obama's health care reform law, and collects no new revenue from taxes, two elements which are unpalatable to Democrats.
But budgets are often more political statements about a party's priorities than a hard governing blueprint. With that in mind, Ryan, the 2012 GOP vice presidential nominee, sought to inoculate Republicans from criticism of the budget, and play offense against Democrats' forthcoming budget.
"Our opponents will shout austerity, but let's put this in perspective," Ryan wrote in an op-ed to be published in Tuesday's Wall Street Journal. "On the current path, spending will increase by 5 percent each year. Under our proposal, it will increase by 3.4 percent. Because the U.S. economy will grow faster than spending, the budget will balance by 2023, and debt held by the public will drop to just over half the size of the economy."
Ryan was set to detail his full plan in a press conference on Tuesday morning, but his op-ed contained key elements of the budget. Ryan's plan would:
- Achieve a total of $4.6 trillion in savings over the next decade
- Enact tax reform that closes loopholes and deductions, while reducing the number of income brackets to two — one at 10 percent, the other at 25 percent
- Change Medicare to a model in which future retirees would receive "premium supports" (Democrats call them vouchers) to subsidize the purchase of insurance from a menu of options, including traditional Medicare
- Repeal the president's health care reform law
- Approve the proposed Keystone XL transnational oil pipeline
- Enact welfare reforms to give states more flexibility in enforcing the program
There are other aspects of Ryan's plan that the Wisconsin congressman will outline tomorrow. Many elements of the new Ryan budget are familiar Republican proposals, weaved together in a comprehensive statement of governing principles.
The new budget, however, is only the opening salvo in a budget battle that could stretch throughout much of the spring. Congress acted earlier this year to extend the debt limit through mid-May, but only on the condition that the House and the Senate each pass a budget. The Senate budget, authored by Democrats, and their first in years, is also due this week.
And the political fighting over the dueling proposals has already begun.
"I hate to break the suspense, but their budget won't balance—ever," Ryan wrote. "We House Republicans have done our part … Now we invite the president and Senate Democrats to join in the effort."
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Riiiiight. And the monkeys fly out of his ass when?
What a joke. This guy couldn't even carry his home state.
the monkeys are all too busy stuck up Obama's ass to fly anywhere!!....wait, sorry, those are gerbils....
STRIKE THREEEE!
Americans didn't like your first budget, Lyin' Ryan.
We didn't like your 2nd budget so much that we didn't elect you & Myth-47%-Robme.
And - SURPRISE! - we don't like your 3rd (and worst, so far) budget either.
Real economists know: you can't cut your way to a good economy! we need to INVEST IN AMERICA'S FUTURE . . . we have done enough cutting for now/the short term. We MUST invest in JOBS JOBS JOBS, + infrastructure, R & D, education, etc.
This is a budget that, once again, puts more $$ in the pockets of the 1% and robs the rest of us.
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE REMIND LYIN' RYAN . . . your budget policies are LOSERS! and we are moving . . .
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FORWARD! :-)
What is to say that the economy will grow. The conservatives, like Ryan, have done everything within their power to keep the economy from growing for the last 4 1/2 years. Get another conservative like Dubya for president and the economy will fail. This, from those who lowered the American standard of living and doubled the size of government. Exactly what they claim they don't stand for.
But Ryan proposing a budget? This from the guy who's voting record clearly shows he voted for every deficit spending bill and debt increasing bill from the socialist, capitalism killing, Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 and the socialist Medicare Part D, not to mention the 2 unfunded wars, unfunded nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the Bush tax cuts that reduced revenue! Those who can, do. Those who can't, join congress, propose budgets and claim to be a fiscal hawk. Go Figure.
Everyone needs to remember front and center this man practices Russian atheist principles. The reason he got into politics was because of Ayn Rand and even on Fox News he said he still believes in her economic policies. Why the voters in Wisconsin still keep him around is beyond me. If you have an atheist who wants no benevolent policies toward individuals what does one expect he will come up with. And I wonder how many republicans even know this or even care since he says he is a catholic although that is not how they think and he is a republican. That seems to be the only qualification they have. It doesn't matter what they believe as long as they don't say they are a democrat.
Apparently this guy has Romnesia !
This is the same malfeasently, terribly idiotic drek that was rejected when Herman ran with the
Rombot.
Well, I suppose nothing succeeds like... oh wait...; that didn't succeed did it?
Guess the Teapublicans can start thinking about 2020, 'cause 2016 is done.
Paul "Eddie Munster" Ryan, nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'. Everybody knows the rest.
This GOP Ryan budget $4.6 Trillion in saving is base on the removal of Obamacase and that is not going to happen, so this bill is Ryan BS !!!
Good ole Lying Ryan back at it again. I am truly surprised this guy was ever accepted at Miami University due to his lack of intelligence and honesty. What rug did he crawl out from? I wish Mittwit would have left him alone and never asked him to be his running mate. Now the entire country will be running from this guys 1 minute of fame and we shall never live this idiot down nor will he ever ride off into the sunset even if he is defeated in the next election cycle for Congress. In Lying Ryan's mind he is a legend but to the majority he is a pesky gnat buzzing around our ears.
"Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., argued that his forthcoming budget — the third he's authored as chairman of the House Budget Committee — would be able to achieve a balanced budget by 2023, and boost the gross national product by as much as 1.7 percent in the meanwhile."
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What's he do, just recycle that "budget" he concocted last year that the people rejected, along with him and Robme, on election day?
Do liberals have a @!$%#load of credit card debt?? .......because it seems they are all quite fond of spending more than they have. When they rack up more than they can repay, do they blame the banks for their own irresponsibility???
From the Economic Policy Institute:
• Productivity has increased almost 23 percent since 2000, but the hourly wage of the median worker rose 0.5 percent. Median hourly compensation, which consists of all wages and benefits, increased 0.4 percent.
• Going back to 1973, the trend is more pronounced, with productivity rising 80 percent as median hourly compensation grew by about 11 percent.
• If you worked for the lowest wages in 2011, you earned less than the workers in the same percentile in 1979.
• From 1979 to 2011, median wages increased 6 percent. All the growth happened during the 1990s expansion. During the same period, those with high earnings (in the 95th percentile), saw their wages rise 37 percent. Wages of the top 1 percent increased 131 percent.
• People who became unemployed between 2007 and 2009 but found new, full-time jobs took an average wage cut of 10.5 percent.
• In 2011, wages for males with college degrees were 5 percent greater than in 1979. For men with only high-school degrees, entry-level wages were 25 percent lower than in 1979.
• College-educated women saw gains of 15 percent over the same period for their first job, but the wage was still 9 percent below what a college-educated man made in 1979. Women with only high-school education worked for wages 10 percent below the poverty threshold and 14 percent worse than the wages of women with comparable education in 1979.
• In 1979, more than 63 percent of high-school graduates landed entry-level jobs with employer-provided insurance. In 2010, the number had dropped to 22.8 percent.
Now Ryan wants those of us in the WORKING class to pay for the GOP's recession, too.
Hey, Mr. Ryan? NO!!
Thank you Mr. Lying Ryan, you just delivered another hundred thousand or so votes to saving Obama care & S.S. & Medicare, & please don't stop now....... no, you are doing more for us as a TP Republican than most of Congress put together. Just keep those lips a running.
Ryan is just like every Republ-thug out there. Recently we learned here that the Republican Thug that headed the move last year to end Medicare is the head of the Texas Tea Party. Here is where his / their hypocrisy comes into view: This Thug, preaches an end to Obamacare and Medicare but last year he got the city of Houston to underwrite his new soccer stadium construction--TYPICAL CORPORATE WELFARE RECIPIENT just like Jerry Jones and KBR and Blackwater--the cost of the stadium to taxpayers $75 million...."Do as I say not as I do"
HopeisGone - Do liberals have a @*#%load of credit card debt? Yep - we're still paying off the two wars Bush put on credit cards - but not anywhere in his budget idiot!!!
As usual, you proved in your first post that crude, vulgar and classless are required to be a Republican. Clearly you fit the bill to a tee!
Funny how the repukes keep forgetting the majority of debt was inhereted from the bush boys charging two wars and passing on the cost. As for the pipeline, canada has already openly said it planned on EXPORTING the oil because it was to sour to use here. Can't you comprehend anything ?????????
Ryan is so out of touch, he isn't even relative to the conversation any more.
Elections DO have consequences. The GOP is determined to continue with their PMS strategy.
PMS = Pale, Male and Stale.
I think the United States needs toset a minimum standard for intelligence for Congressmen? This guy is a certified NUT. He is proposing a Budget based upon overturning a Law that has been challenged in the Supreme Court and found to be legal.
What is he smoking? No new taxes. Lets take away the entitlements that the American Public has been paying into for the last 30 years and give the Rich a Tax break. What an idiot.
Randy -no they don't comprehend anything. It's a Republican trait!
Hey Paulie...U LOST ALREADY....give it up/
You can't have 10 year plans..thats complete BS. Most of these people will be out of office and another batch in.
Has to be balanced in 4-5 years tops. Otherwise it's all talk from either side.
We are currently enjoying the lowest tax rates in our history, yet we are suffering from the largest deficits... what to do? As Bill Clinton said, it's simple arithmetic! Why does the GOP continue to refuse to put revenue on the table? Why do we have loopholes that encourage corporate officers to maintain private jet planes? Why do huge corporations like Apple and GE get off with small or no tax bills? They hire IRS employees away from the government and use them to avoid taxes.
It's time for the GOP to wake up and do something about these injustices, or we'll do it for you after 2014.
All he wants to do is throw us into another recession or worse a depression.
Lyin' Ryan...sucking the public teat for what is now his EIGHTH term in Congress while telling the rest of us to go be self reliant and not expect anything from Government. WHAT a HYPOCRITE!!!
daclhill-I do believe that is their plan.
"Savings" = cuts to social programs like Social Security and Medicare that keep millions of americans out of poverty.
"Savings" = Money which will be used instead to give more tax breaks to corporations and billionaires.
The "budget battle" is mainly for show.
Obama wants to cut the budget (including SS, Medicare, etc) as much as the Republicans it's just that he's pushing for doing it in a way that looks like he doesn't so the Democrat's base won't notice that he has sold them out...again.
Here's more about it:
The Sequestration Tango: Obama and GOP Dance Through the Graveyard of the New Deal
Wed, 03/06/2013 - 00:35 — Glen Ford
The Obama regime has been remarkably successful – in pushing forward a Republican agenda. Obama, especially, has "moved with such elegance and poise, his fans forgot that he was dancing with a partner: the GOP." Together, they have starved the federal beast and forged a consensus on the inevitability of austerity. Let the gruesome-twosome take a bow.
Barack Obama's mission has always been to destroy the left wing of the Democrats in order to consummate a grand bargain – a melding – of the corporatists in both major parties. He entered national politics as a newly-minted member of the Democratic Leadership Council, which dispensed corporate campaign money to business-friendly candidates and incumbents. Ten years later, President Obama has succeeded beyond our worst fears. Black politics is in utter ruin, and the collapse of the Democratic Party's left wing is all but complete. Austerity is the order of the day, and no one is more responsible for that catastrophe than Obama, who has waged war on so-called entitlement programs since the polls closed in 2008.
He packed his presidential team with the same gang of finance capitalists that Bill Clinton had allied with to consummate his Grand Bargain of 1999: the deregulation of the banks. Obama assumed the presidency with the economy in ashes as a result of what Clinton had wrought a decade before. Immediately, Obama turned the music back up, and the Corporate Tango began anew, full of choreographed emotion, stage-managed drama and canned passion. But the dancers – Obama and the Republicans – were all going in the same, preprogrammed direction: a backwards, counter-clockwise promenade to the Right, a dance through the cemetery of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal.
"Obama was playing the old Republican game of 'starve the beast.'"
Obama moved with such elegance and poise, his fans forgot that he was dancing with a partner: the GOP. In 2011, following Obama's lead, the loving couple initiated their sequestration, a timed sequence of moves that would ultimately force the gutting of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, along with a whole host of discretionary social programs.
As is required when doing the Corporate Tango, Obama lied through his teeth, swearing during his third presidential debate that he never proposed sequestration. But Gene Sperling, the White House National Economic Council director, was so proud of the sequestration gambit, he confessed that it was all part of the grand plan to put entitlements on the block. Obama claimed he'd been looking out for the government's tax revenues. But the liberal economist Jeffrey Sachs put together a chart that showed Obama was playing the old Republican game of "starve the beast"; that he had undermined the government's ability to pay for itself by supporting the vast bulk of President Bush's tax cuts; and that the resultsmatched Obama's 2009 projections for government spending over the next four years, almost exactly. Obama's train was running right on time.
Polls show that the Republicans are getting the blame for sequestration, but the stock market is hitting new heights now that austerity has triumphed, and that's all that really matters to the moneyed classes, whether they are wearing Republican red or Democratic blue. They have won – at least until the next economic collapse, or until a new opposition to the rule of capital can be constructed. That will not happen anywhere near the event horizon of the Democratic Party, which has followed Barack Obama into the black hole of Wall Street. Once you go Goldman Sachs, you never go back.
http://blackagendareport.com/content/sequestration-tango-obama-and-gop-dance-through-graveyard-new-deal
We don't need a balanced budget in 10 years, we need a balanced budget within the next one or two! I don't know about you guys but the government wastes enough money as it is. I would rather see spending slashed than taxes raised. A lot of people need to find out that the government is broke and can't afford to honor its promises. Just look at the debt ceiling debate. Instead of proposing to cut spending or raise taxes so we are able to afford to pay back people who hold our debt they said that if the ceiling isn't raise we would default meaning that if we can't borrow money to pay off our borrowed money we wouldn't pay anyone back. That is a ponzi scheme! We pay the interest and the principal by borrowing from the same people that we owe that money to in the first place. We are broke.
Why don't we bring our troops home now and cut defense spending by 50% over the next 5 years? We can stop corporate and wealthy-elitist entitlements by mandating that no one making more than $400K pays no less than 30% tax rate, the same goes for corporations like GE, DuPont, and Verizon who actually have negative tax rates thanks to gov. subsidies and tax loopholes. Enough of the wealthy who actually believe and promote that they should pay less taxes than everyone else, in fact they should not be taxed at all - leave taxes for the peons to pay. That's the problem with Republicans, they support and protect current entitlements for the wealthy and want to balance the federal gov. budget on the backs of the working class, the poor, and seniors who paid extra payroll taxes all their working lives for their Social Security & Medicare retirement benefits
Ryan's budgets are so bad! Does this one greatly increase military spending like his past ones? And he would not allow any tax increases to pay for the trillions of dollars added to the deficit by doubling the military budget and starting 2 wars that the repub-controlled congress and president did in the early 2000s. Clearly, spending would increase under his budget, and pain and suffering would greatly increase.
And Ryan just does not get it that private insurance still does not want to take on the huge liability of the many age-related diseases and conditions of seniors, and even with a larger voucher will still rapidly price most seniors out of the healthcare market after leaving them broke, just as private insurance did before Medicare was started.
Medicare is currently the social program that adds the most to the federal deficit and needs smart spending cuts immediately that will still ensure that American seniors get access to the basic healthcare that they so desperately need and have been promised. The world record inflated healthcare cost in the US is a primary cause of the huge deficits added by Medicare, and the ACA attempts to address this by attempting to reduce the billions of dollars in unpaid medical costs by the uninsured that are adding to healthcare inflation every year and by cutting back payments to healthcare providers while working toward more affordable healthcare for all. While the ACA has many problems that need to be fixed, it is a step in the right direction, so we should work together and throw out or fix the bad parts of the ACA and improve on it, but not discard the whole bill as Ryan has always proposed.
The republicans have always hated Medicare and wanted to completely end it, and they can certainly do this by privatizing it. Unfortunately, in doing so, it will be a big lose-lose situation for Americans and for the American economy. Seniors, out of necessity are the biggest consumers of healthcare, and will be unable able to pay for much if any healthcare with Ryan's plans, and healthcare is one of the biggest employers in the US. Ryan's plan is just bad for everyone.
As soon as Democrats can aspire to take control of the House and elect their Speaker, Ryan will no longer be on the budget committe. Ryan won't even get the admin committe that ensures congressmen/women have toilet paper, pencils, paper, and staples. Payback is hell for trying to repeal Obamacare 34 times!
Re Paul Ryan: I don't trust anbody that looks like "Count Chocula."
So he wants to do away with our health care and our U.S. government.
What alternate Ayn Rand universe does this traitor say is he from? (With apologies to Catholics and the good people from Wisconsin).
Wow..over thirty posts on this one thread and Paul Ryan is one or two for 30.
Even the RWNJ's can't or won't defend the prick.
MSNBCMFE... It's rather hard to defend insanity unless you live in the asylum.
In 2014 we will have new elections for congress & the republican nightmare will end. Then we will be able to set new budgets, tax & banking laws that will enable America to move on. There is an end in sight to all (most) of the insanity of the Bush league years.
Good Luck with that, The latest poll showed only one rep. congressman was in danger of losing.
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Why bother proposing a budget that you know damn well will NEVER pass.
These politicians on BOTH sides of the fence are just throwing trash back and forth, would some grown up and responsible politicians PLEASE STEP FORWARD.
We definitely need a "new party" in this country, I am disgusted with Dems and Reps, they both need to GO in 2014. bring on the INDEPENDENTS for the love of GOD !
So, just because he lost he should stop trying to do his job and get our financial house in order??????? You liberals never cease to amaze me.
Well, duh! This is first read, the Obama/liberal propoganda machine.
As a conservative (not a Republican), Ryan embarrasses everyone. Really? You're assuming the repeal of ObamaCare? Really? Hey dipsheet....It was passed and upheld by the Supreme Court. The assumption shows that you are a MORON!!!!!
ObamaCare is stupid and the numbers are changing rapidly showing how really dumb people were to believe in it, but it isn't going anywhere and Ryan's "assumption" shows how stupid the GOP is.
This is an example why the GOP and the county is failing on all levels.
Wow, and this coming from a Republican who seems to have forgotten that W. Bush put two unfunded wars on credit, reduced taxes so as not to be able to pay for anything, and caused the worst recession in history. Thank God we had President Obama and common sense to get us back to where we are, regardless of the House GOP and teapublicans.
HopeisGone
Yep, its okay when REPUBLICANS create debt, but not when democrats do it right? Why the 5 TRILLIOn from BUSH? two unfunded wars? corporate tax cuts and rewards for shipping jobs to other countries? Don't tell us BUSH is over, because until we PAY for his mistakes, his legacy is HERE.
P.S. You seem obsessed with men's rears..... seek professional help.
Well maybe if the Senate Democrats had actually done their jobs over the past four years and completed a budget, then possibly this country would stand a chance to survive Obama. But so far Obama and the Democrats have done nothing but talk a good game, while putting nothing on the table in writing. In fact even ObamaCare was mostly blank pages and is still being written. Yeah, ObamaCare is likely to save healthcare, especially considering it was written behind closed doors in secret locations by the most liberal members of the Democrat party and their lobbyist friends from big pharma. Then we had to pass it to find out what was in it, and we still don't know it all yet. So all you liberals that show no class with all your insults and name calling, at least Republicans put their proposals in writing and pass them as required, Democrats just want to raise taxes and put everything else on the credit card. If there is any fiscal responsibility from Democrats, it hasn't been in Washington since Obama took office. The Obama legacy will be a national debt that exceeds 20 trillion, and his having added more to it then every previous president combined.
Seriously? No sh!t?... I am absolutely appalled at such a notion!
This is why Ryan should have no part in ANY administration, Republican or otherwise. He would get fired in short order if he submitted such a garbage budget to a business... full of and completely based on everything but math.
What a weasel. His budget is not helpful. In a time where bipartisanship is but a twinkle in our eyes, he presents classic Ryan. We need him and his like to crawl back into their holes.
Rick-3416939
Nice shots in the dark...
Maybe the Senate recognizes what a waste of f$%king time trying to pass a non-passable budget would be... especially in the face of a 60 vote requirement and the continuing "political" hardass budgets presented by Ryan. There's plenty in writing on budget proposals, if that's what you're looking for...
Maybe you should just get over Obamacare and start supporting it's provisions to help other Americans? No? Okay, continue your useless rant.
Such honor! These Republicans are just so righteous! BS. House rules are different. House rules allows a House budget be passed "as required" with a simple majority. It is why Ryan's budget even breathes at all. Senate rules allow submission with a simple majority, but to pass it has the same requirements as other legislation and is subject to GOP blocking... and with the turtle announcing a block of ANY budgeting effort that includes Obamacare or taxes on the rich or excludes severe cutting of entitlements, why start a useless blood-bath?
We are operating just fine using the spending/budget agreements agreed to in the last debt ceiling debacle, so kill the false drama.
A cry for fiscal responsibility from the GOP after what Bush and Cheney did to us is ridiculous.
LMarcT says "A cry for fiscal responsibility from the GOP after what Bush and Cheney did to us is ridiculous."
Typical of the clueless left where their actions can always be justified by what someone else did or said. No big boy pants needed for liberals, whining, complaining, blaming, and excuses is all you should ever expect. Liberals have no clue how the budget process works, or it seems how any bills are expected to pass Congress. For some reason liberals like LMarcT think they are owed a bill they deem acceptable, or no reason for them to do their job. Apparently liberals like LMarcT don't understand the concept of two opposing bills going to committee to iron out the differences. We are operating just fine according to LMarcT, especially if a financial collapse is your goal. But to suggest this country can amass this level of debt without consequences is clueless. When Medicare was passed in 1965 it was projected to cost 9 billion in 1990, and ended up costing 67 billion. So our government has no track record for predicting costs of anything, and ObamaCare will be no exception.
Paul Ryan is the problem, not the fix !!!
Ryan makes the Republican party look Stupid !!!
Paul Ryan #1 Chicken-hawk is embarrassment to Hogs !!!
GOP = take from the poor and give to the rich and military industrial complex.
All Entitlement must be removed from Congress, all of them! What ever percent of reductions in the Budget Congress must take the same cut in their pay check. These people are the problem all of them. Congress is starting to act like their royalty and not part of the government.
Ryan's budget is nothing more than a regurgitation of the last budget.
minus 4 trillion beats plus 3 trillion.
Ryan is proposing a budget that voters rejected last November. What else could we expect from a man without conscience? His fantasy of trickle down growth is nothing more than the redistribution of wealth upwards. 1.7 % growth over 10 years is stagnation. Republicans protect the rich at all costs, the costs are dumped upon the backs of the middle class( working poor).
Wow! Talk about a bunch of brainless twits soiling these boards today. The blindness of the Obama/Holder zombies is truly breathtaking. Think back to 2008, seriously what government programs were so strapped for cash that needed increased funding? Thats right, not one, yet Obozo has increased spending far above the level Bush was spending, which in itself was too high at that time. Can you dips on the left comprehend that we'll never ever in a billion years be able to tax our way out of the problem. That even if Obozo gets his beloved tax-the-rich-back-to-the-stone-age tax increases, it won't even scratch the surface, that is the magnitude of the problem. How about taking an honest look at the budgets and see where we can cut, its not like there isn't waste and duplication in the federal government, no sirree. Besides, do you really believe Obozo will use increased revenue to pay down the deficit/national debt, or just ratchet up spending more? You're beyond stupid if you think it will go toward debt reduction. The only way out is to cut spending and grow the economy, yet nearly all of Obozo's greatest accomplishments are like a gigantic anchor, holding the economy hostage, stifling growth. One last thing, it would take 170 years to reduce the current national debt to 0, if we were able to pay it down by $100 billion/year. For you Obozo supporters that means whatever the yearly budget is, we'd need an added 100 billion to make just a tiny dent in the national debt. But instead of railing against democrats who whistle through the graveyard, totally oblivious to the real problem, you savagely attack and vilify someone who wants to do something about it.
@NBCNEWS
Custom has long dictated that congressmen are identified by party and state.
In the instance of Ryan, as an embarrassed and frustrated Wisconsinite, this is a plea to refer to him also by his congressional district (1st) or the area of the state (Southeast).
Please.
The fact that a hard core disciple of Ayn Rand could get his fascist hands any where near the budget of the United States government should absolutely terrify every single American.
Bluelake, do you and your liberal friends run your personal budgets the way the federal government does, didn't think so. So why is it OK for the federal government to pretend there's no down side to blowing the budget every year? That's what is truly terrifying, not that Paul Ryan wants to steer the US toward fiscal responsibility, but because so few are on board with him. Its mind boggling to me, its borderline criminal negligence of duty, both by the President, and the Senate.
This has nothing to do with fiscal responsibility. If it did, you and your republikan buddies would have been screaming bloody murder over George W's putting a trillion dollar war off the books and on credit. You and your teaparty friends let out nary a peep.
This is about killing collectivism as a part of our government's relationship to it's citizens. It is about a radical, right wing, fascist concept of government where corporations run the government for 300 million serfs and wage slaves. Stop pushing your fiscal responsibility in government bull@!$%#, the republicans and their borrow and spend, spend, spend fiscal philosophy, has one purpose and one purpose only, to bankrupt the Federal Government of this country. At least the part of government that isn't spending hundreds of billions of dollars on a military industrial complex.
Once again, Ryan didn't pass the "sniff-test".
Bluelake, I see your indoctrination is complete. Feel free to move to any number of countries that already have your socialist Utopian dream in place, but alas, not they're doing so hot either. I signed up for capitalism, if there were another country that operated under the principles set down by the founders, I would seriously consider moving there to get away from what our country is becoming. You seem upset that republicans over spent, so was I. Under W, the national debt was about 1/2 of what it is now, relative to GDP. In real terms in a little over 4+ years, Odumbo has amassed more debt than Bush in 8 years. By the end of Odumbos 2ndterm, he will have doubled the national debt all by his little lonesome. Spare me your self righteous indignant rage over republican spend, spend, spend, least you forget that democrats controlled both the House and Senate from 2006 till 2010, least you forget (or perhaps never realized) that it was democrat policies that got us into this mess from the start. I'll freely acknowledge republicans in past administrations have done a crappy job of controlling spending, but the left has placed 100% of the blame on them, anyone with an ounce of intellectual honesty knows there is just as much if not more blame to be put on democrats. I know I'm wasting my time on you, you never figure it out.
"Well maybe if the Senate Democrats had actually done their jobs over the past four years and completed a budget,"
It's up to the House to come up with a budget. If the Senate doesn't agree the budget the House sends them, it's up to the House to come up with another one. Passing a so called budget everyone in the world knows isn't going anywhere is NOT passing a budget, it's political grandstanding. And that's what the Ryan plan is and has been for the last 3 years--- political grandstanding.
No Charlie-19...., its up to the Senate to take the House Budget, approve it as is or change it as they see fit, then send it to the president to sign/veto or back to the House to work out the differences. Both budgets from the house and senate must be identical. The senate has not touched a single budget proposed by the House in 4 years. Harry Reid should be impeached for failing to do his job. But we all know where he getshis marching orders, straight from Odumbo himself, because Mr. I Vote Present, doesn't want to have to make the tough choice of passing or vetoing a budget that the House and Senate have approved. Odumbo is a spineless wimp who wouldn't know leadership if it bit him in the a$$!
One more timehardtostarboard
Your wasting your time with hardtostarbord Charlie, his brain is Fox mush.
Actually, we all do, it's call debt from the two wars Bush/Cheney put on America's credit card to fatten the bottom line of Halliburton!!
Remember those?
Every time you think you can get past the Bobby Jindal statement of the republican party being the "Stupid Party," someone like Ryan opens his mouth, AGAIN, and erases any thoughts of them being normal, the man hates senior citizens, children, and babies.
One more time Charlie.
The House passed a budget, the Senate can do what they please with it, change it completely if they chose, then send it back to the House. Why hasn't the Senate done their job for 4 years??? We both know why.
Moshuluu, what has Obama/democrats done to reduce it? Not a GOD DAMN thing thats what. If you're so all bent out of shape about spending under Bush, (I was), you should be furious with the level of spending under Obama, alas, you seem OK with it. Situational politics's and hypocrisy at its finest. Congratulations.
As detrimental to our economy and health system as it is and will be, Obamacare is law and there’s no way the law will be repealed. The Republicans need to stop ranting about it and simply deal with it – by fixing it. And there’s plenty to be fixed.
“Under Ryan’s proposal, spending will not increase by 5% but by 3.2%.” What’s up with that? Why not increase spending by ZERO%. Until we get our house in order and we have the money to spend. Good grief.
There has to be an allowance for inflation.
Republicans have not had to govern since Clinton's second term. They hid under the guise of terrorism for the 8 years of Bush2 and spent the last 4 years campaigning against Obama. That is 12 years of doing nothing. Moreover, Republican/Conservative ideas like the healthcare mandate and cap and trade have been ceded to the Democrats. With the failures in Iraq and Afghanistan together with getting Bin Laden, the Democrats are seen as being strong on defense--something they have not been able to do since Vietnam. Frankly, other than tax cuts, the Republicans have no "game".
Plus he doesn't mind using the 7 billion provided by Obamacare which he knows is waste and unnecessary spending. He just knows he can fool much of America and takes advantage of that fact.
Paul Ryan is like a Snake Oil Salesman and all his budgets are total Garbage !!!
Candice...
I hear you on zero spending growth (barring exogenous events) as well as obamacare. It would appear that the right is leaving their negotiating points wide open.
At least the senate is working on their own budget version at last. From what I have heard on bloombergTV they also will have wide open negotiating points. This assumes that DA obama doesn't open his pie hole and threaten to veto any republican plan. Let congress work out a reconciliation.
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B707320C...
Well sweety, remind us again on where the democrats were during the twelve years you refer to? Rather foolish to think that they were off the reservation those twelve years, isn't it.
As for bin laden, if our heelo hadn't of crashed do you think that obama would have stood up and still declare that he authorized a secret mission to violate another countries sovereign rights to carry out an assassination?
BTW - you do realize that from the late 40's to the mid 80's that the rallying call for the US to spend untold trillions was to just say "the commies have it". Nice to know that you believe we shouldn't engage terrorism, especially when it occurs on our soil. You're a real pip!
Barry,
The amount of increase in the federal budget over the last (many years) has increased in excess of the rate of inflation.
Peoples incomes have increased at a rate far less than inflation.
If the people have to adjust, so should the government with our tax dollars. Excessive increases previously, freeze it now, and the rate of spending will probably fall in line with actual inflation rates eventually.
american,
Do you think Ryan's plan is just a starting point for negotiation? I think it may have been better to start with new ideas as a spring board for new negotiations. Same old ideas might create same old discourse.
I agree the President may want to stand aside and let Congress do what they need to do. Or better yet, quietly, modestly and with centrist integrity, woo each side to come to an agreement. That's what leaders do, right? ......That's probably asking too much....
Candice-, what is the definition of insanity? I recall Einstein made the statement of repeating the same experiment expecting different results which pretty much defines the Greedy Old Party of old white men and old white wives. They are all insane and drunk on themselves.
Intellect -
The definition of insanity might resonate with both parties.
Really?
Thomas Sowell, Ted Cruz, Luis Fortuno, Artur Davis, Alan West, Conde Rice, Mia Bourdeau, Alonzo Rachel, J.C. Watts, Susana Martinez, Nikki Haley, Clarence Thomas, Susan B. Anthony, Lucy Stone.....might disagree with you on that.
Ryan is being polite with wording in this budget. If he isn't if the senate should debate this, well..........................
I'm sure McCain & Gram will have some nasty comment about him. (note I did not call either senator.) I guess these 2 RINO's have more faith in Holder than I do.
Ryan is jerk. He'll destroy Medicare and will have to classes of people, rich & poor.
The rich will pay 10% for taxes, the poor 25%. Get this guy out of office.
American,
Good luck with that thinking in electing Republican in 2016. That was my point. You are doing a kitchen sink dump to call me an idiot. That won't get your guy elected.
With a budget like this Republicans are likely to lose the house in 2014.
Candice is suggesting austerity, ie shrinking the government, by reducing funding, because the middle class and lower class have had their incomes remain static. however, ppl in the upper class, who have been taxed less than any other time in our history, have seen a dramatic rise in their income. bad math, Candice. you must have gone the the ryan school of math obfuscation.
Why does the GOP keep pushing a pipeline that is too toxic for Canada to keep within its own borders?
Havent they already voted 33 times to repeal Obamacare??
Dems and Repubs want that piece of @!$%# Obamacare repealed......
Fixing our infrastructure and cutting the 1% loopholes should be in Ryan budget, but that is not happening because that will help our Economy, I'm getting tired of seeing Ryan's silly face, the dude is a Wimp !!!
seaskip...what are these "1% loopholes" you speak of?? I think the budget proposed does close all loopholes.....it also suggests only two tax brackets, and EVERYONE paying their fair share.
"Enact tax reform that closes loopholes and deductions, while reducing the number of income brackets to two — one at 10 percent, the other at 25 percent"
yeah, and I guess the 25% tax bracket is for the poor, middle class and the elderly while the 10% tax bracket is for the very rich. Riiiiight.
Don' t forget he'd like to have corporations pay zero taxes too. That's the Ryan agenda. What a POS.
10% for the rich and 25% for the rest of us?? NOT!!!!
Don' t forget he'd like to have corporations pay zero taxes too.
Corporations don't pay taxes. The costs just get passed on to the consumer. Its interesting you're in favor of paying higher prices for the products you buy.
What can you expect of the GOP's modus operadi? "Privatize the profits and socialize the losses."
Although these hypocrites preach about it a lot, the only "personal responsibility" they actually aspire to, is how much bigger of the piece of the pie they can get for themselves, while they tell everyone else to go to hell and live in the fear and live within the ever-lowered means that they manufactured. Typical selfish, naive, Ayn Rand philosophy that Paul Ryan promotes. So no surprise that this traitor hates our health care and is against the existence of our U.S. government.
are liberals really this misinformed????
If everyone wanted it repealed why hasn't that happened? Maybe because they DON'T want it repealed and you've been caught in yet another lie. Now answer the nice person's question, JUST HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THEY PRESENTED BILLS TO REPEAL OBAMACARE? We know that EVERY ONE was a failure. Couldn't even pass the Republican controlled House!
Obamacare is here to stay. Privatizing medicare is something American's won't stand for.
@HopeisGone
are liberals really this misinformed????
Unfortunately, the answer to that question is a resounding "YES".
Even if it's 25% for the rich and 10% for the rest, the rest of us will still be paying more of our income than the rich, and the poorer you are the worse that ratio will be. This is the opposite of a progressive tax code, which when done right makes everyone pay what they can afford and still achieves a viable revenue stream.
The reason the rich will still pay less even at 25% is because the bulk of their money comes in as capital gains which are not taxed the same as income. Then for the uber rich who have income from foreign investments and off shore banks, they will pay even less of their true income in taxes.
But even if we ignore those caveats the rich will still be enjoying a higher profit margin under this scenario. It comes down to cost of living and the poverty line. If someone is making 1.5 times the poverty line and they pay 10% in taxes that means that 33% of their income goes to the cost of survival (because let's face it, the poverty line means surviving not thriving) and a further 10% goes to taxes. That's 43% of their income for bare bones survival. Realistically, this person is going to spend a little more of his money on rent, gas, heat, and food than simply meeting the requirements of the poverty line. If this person wants to get educated or compete for better jobs (or simply stay competitive in his current job) then the rest of his budget will go to that and he probably will run a deficit. No vacations, no eating out, no shopping sprees, no cable TV, just a pay as you go phone, TV dinners, and a dial up connection. Very little that can be cut out of this person's budget to advance up the economic ladder without living in a box.
Meanwhile the rich who are making 400 times the poverty line - do I really need to do the math on this one? Ryan wants to make us think that percentages tell the whole story, but it is not remotely the same situation when a rich man has to wait an extra month to save for an olympic size swimming pool with underwater HD televisions and a fully stocked in-pool bar with a full time bartender, compared to a poor man deciding whether or not his kids will eat vegetables this month. Ryan wants to do away with a progressive tax which will only result in the poor bearing more of a burden than the rich. Ryan will tell us that the rich as a group will pay more in taxes, despite the fact that the rich will enjoy wide profit margins, the ability to spend frivolously, luxury goods and vacations, while the poor who collectively "don't really pay that much overall" can barely put food on their table. Ryan's two tax bracket system is just another form of the flat tax that has been shown time and again to weigh heavy on the backs of the poor and stifle upward mobility.
Ryan makes a very disingenuous (or merely dangerously stupid) argument with this tax plan. Perhaps this bill is not designed to be legislation and is simply a political statement, but even as a statement of principal all it does is to call out Ryan as an Ayn Randian sadist.
Thank you, Radagast, that was great. HopeisGone now experiencing factual information overload and subsequent shutdown.
Sorry HopeisGone, it is you that is misinformed and only looking to put others down. What makes a Liberal a Liberal is that they are informed and use logic and common sense to progress forward. You see...times change, people change, things change, and if you don't change with it and keep doing the same things that don't work over and over again...then that is what makes you a conservative. Libertarians on the other hand, seem to be paranoid fear mongerers that don't realize man is not inherently good and can not be trusted to do the right thing on their own.
Radagast, spot on!! Lets not forget that minimum wage has been allowed to stagnate on purpose, and an offset of tax incentives given instead. So a person who makes $16000 per year and has two kids actually makes $21000 including taxes, and it does not affect inflation. If you want to impose a tax of 10% on that person, then they are actually paying $1600 on $16000. This is a 32% reduction in their income. You cannot implement a tax plan like this and not hurt a lot of hard working people. Now if you bump minimum wage by 40%, then you are getting a little warmer.
It's easy, deny science, deny economics, throw old people under the bus, and give tax breaks to the wealthy. GOP 101.
In an NBC Politics article today, I read the “sequester” the President signed cuts Medicare by 2%. During the election campaign, the President repeatedly accused his opponents of taking away Medicare…..and yet here he’s done it….and no press. Where’s the outrage? Who's throwing old people under the bus?
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/11/17271867-from-continuing-resolutions-to-budget-blueprints-what-you-need-to-know-about-congressional-money-wrangling#comments
He signed the cuts because they were required by the law passed by Congress. Congress sets the budget, not the President.
He has that veto pen.........
bluecat...
Throw the elderly under the bus? Obama already did that when he took over $700 billion from medicare to pay for obamacare. Don't you remember the stink the right made on this in 2012? Nary a peep was heard from the left denying it, only a "cat eating the canary" grin from obama and silence. We will just steal from our seniors to pay for my pet projects.
What a guy!
wrongo. The savings in Medicare were from providers that agreed to take less and the MEDICARE ADVANTAGE PLANS. Medicare advantage plans are sweet deals to private insurance companies that handle Medicare HMO's.
BTW-traditional Medicare PAYS the private insurance companies to provide that coverage. By closing the Medicare advantage plans and moving everyone to traditional Medicare, it will strengthen traditional Medicare.
Look it up.
American#4.4...respectfully I don't know the source for your information but it is flawed regarding the Affordable Care Act and Medicare. I tend to do my research and check my sources before commenting. So for your benefit I"ve included the link below. Rather President Obama did not take money from Medicare as the latter part of the article points out. You may want to broaden your research sources that is if you research your positions before comment.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/16/mitt-romney/500-billion-medicare-obamacare-romney-says/
Hi, Mary.
The President signed into law a cut to Medicare. This will effect seniors. Link below.
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/11/17271867-from-continuing-resolutions-to-budget-blueprints-what-you-need-to-know-about-congressional-money-wrangling#comments
Bluecat, a few more specific elements of GOP 101:
Start as many preemptive wars as possible and run up trillions and lower taxes at the same time, especially for wealthy cronies.
Double defense spending again or maybe triple it.
Deride, threaten and call anyone who does not agree with you unpatriotic.
Then to attempt to pay for a staggeringly massive debt by starving poor children and handicapped people and stealing from vulnerable elderly who have paid all their lives into vital safety-net programs.
And keep lying. Thanks to the efforts of Sen Joe Barton (R) Texas, Port Arthur is duty free. The oil that would be refined from the Keystone pipeline is destined for export at, wait for it - DUTY FREE TAX RATES which are 0%. Who will this help????? Not the states which would be crossed by the monstrosity, not the taxpaying citizens who's farms and homes would be taken through eminent domain, certainly not the sportsmen as tens of thousands of acres of recreational land would be wasted by the pipeline. Who benefits?? Senator Barton from the millions in laundered funds he receives as kickback, other senators who he pays (I'm sorry) favors to get their support (Ryan must be one of them), the giants in oil who include the Bush family (also from Texas I think??), Haliburton, who under various named subsidaries would receive generous contracts that would profit their investors and board members - whoever they are. Who loses????? nearly every good American
P.O. - You're exactly right. Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of oil should have known that Keystone oil is headed offshore. From an engineering standpoint it's a lot simpler to pump it down to Texas rather than across the Canadian Rockies. We're not getting the oil, we won't get the construction jobs and we'll only get a few support jobs. Just the ones that can't be handled remotely. The rest will go to Canada or India. Oh, and we'll be helping China once again.
Candice, your reading comprehension skills are lacking, or you are intentionally misleading.
Entitlement spending through programs such as Social Security, Medicaid and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, formerly known as "food stamps," is immune from the sequester’s cuts, although Medicare providers and plans are subject to a two percent cut.
that is not a cut in benefits, but a cut in payment to providers, ie doctors, and plans, ie insurance companies, by 2%. if you have privatized medicare and got the steak dinner, they may cut your benefits, the government run medicare will have to do the same with less, although just 2% less.
The Ryan plan proposes Premium Support for Medicare. The amount of support proposed is $15,000 per person. That’s a huge amount, and insurance providers would have to compete for those dollars which would either bring down costs (or at least keep them in the specified range) or cause companies to offer more benefits for the same money. Ryan’s is a good idea. The problem I see, however, is insurance options are confusing and complicated. They need to streamline processing, standardize forms and find ways to explain benefits in ways people can understand.
The problem with the concept is that the Ryan plan wouldn't increase premium support to keep pace with medical inflation. So, what seems generous at first becomes impossibly tight after a few years.
What is premium support? Add up premiums and see how soon $15,000 is eaten up. And then what do you do. Do without? That would be when you are older and have no money. So what Ryan wants is for people to again do without. Everyone was not born with a silver spoon like he was. So he completely doesn't understand. And he also doesn't understand republican principles like don't feed the fishes. Don't feed the fishes. It is teach a man to fish Ryan and they will eat for a lifetime not the fish. Duh! And what part of his plan is teaching anyone to fish. He says buy your own fish leave mine alone. My dad paid for mine why didn't yours. And Romneys was if you don't have a fish borrow one from your parents.
Barry, I don't know that the premium support doesn't increase with inflation. But if the support was fixed, and that's all there was, companies would still compete to get those dollars...possibly reigning in the rate of inflation on those products, and keeping costs down. Would that be along the lines of price fixing, though?
Ktlin, you realize that the way mandated insurance is structured in ObamaCare is through subsidies to individuals who need them. Do we know the subsidies will cover the costs? What's the difference between President Obama's plan to subsidize premiums and Ryan's plan to support premiums? I think Ryan's plan is more generous.
$15,000.00 can be eaten up with one hospital stay. Then what? What insurance company is going to cover an 83 year old person with a heart condition unless they pay HUGE premiums that they can't afford?
Talk about throwing the seniors under the bus. WOW!
Ted,
How is that different from the subsidies in ObamaCare? You realize you're going to have to buy insurance when it takes effect, right?
How much will the President give you? $15,000? Or more?
I pay for my own insurance now and have done for years. I'm self employed and have an income. Seniors DO NOT have the cash flow I have. $15,000.00 is one or two days in the hospital. No insurance company will give any 85 year old senior with cancer or a heart condition insurance unless they pay a HUGE premium.
Most seniors I know do not have that kind of disposable income and will have to go with out. Then they will all have to go to the emergency rooms for treatment. That is a loss for the insrance companies, Drs, labs, etc. Plus many seniors will just no go because they can't afford it.
I understand something has to be done with Medicare, but Ryans plan clearly hurts the seniors.
Cut multibillion dollar taxpayer subsidies to oil companies that make multibillion dollar profits EACH QUARTER. Start there with saving money.
Ted,
The President's plan hurts seniors. It will hurt low income people who will have to buy subsidized insurance and the subsidies may not be enough. If the policies they can afford are not adequate they lose. And, worse, they probably won't realize it until they need some medical care.
I think those supporting ObamaCare they way it is will be in for a rude awakening when they have to pay for the insurance they are mandated to have. Just saying.
$15,000 a year will be totally inadequate coverage in 10-plus years from now when the vouchers would start. That is only $1250 per month for a premium that will most likely be close to $2000 to start and be ever rapidly inflating and increasing with each year.
The bottom line is, private insurance does not want to take on the huge liability of the many age-related diseases and conditions of seniors, and will rapidly price most seniors out of the healthcare market after leaving them broke, just as private insurance did before Medicare was started.
Medicare is currently the social program that adds by far the most to the federal deficit and needs smart spending cuts immediately that will still ensure that American seniors get access to at least the basic healthcare that they so desperately need and have been promised. The world record inflated healthcare cost in the US is a primary cause of the huge amount Medicare adds to the deficit, and the ACA attempts to address this by attempting to reduce the billions of dollars in unpaid medical costs by the uninsured that are adding to healthcare inflation every year and by cutting back payments to healthcare providers. While the ACA has many problems that need to be fixed, it is a step in the right direction, so we should work together and throw out or fix the bad parts of ACA and improve on it.
The republicans have always hated Medicare and wanted to completely end it, and this is they can do it, by privatizing it. Unfortunately, in doing so, it will be a big lose-lose situation for Americans and for the American economy. Seniors, out of necessity are the biggest consumers of healthcare, and will be unable able to pay for much if any healthcare with Ryan's plans, and healthcare is one of the biggest employers in the US. Ryan's plan is just bad for everyone.
Again. Does anyone know how much the subsidies from ObamaCare will provide?
The health insurance exchanges and expanded Medicaid coverage set up by the ACA will attempt to make healthcare more affordable for all. Although the ACA has many flaws that need to be fixed, is a step in the right direction and should NOT be totally repealed but amended and improved on. If nothing is done, at the rate we are going, in 20-30 years more than 50% of Americans will be uninsured and unable to pay for healthcare, and trillions of dollars of unpaid medical bills will crush the healthcare industry and greatly harm the US economy.
Candice#5....first obviously you never have been hospitalized which is fortunate for you. If you ever had been you'd know that Ryan's proposed $15K is less than a drop in the bucket. For the record Medicare has the ability to control costs with providers. Secondly, today those looking to retire are being warned to consider what they should have saved for medical costs seperate from retirement savings.
You might be surprised to learn the suggestion is to have $250K for medical alone and that excludes long term care which often is needed at some point. I'd suggest doing some research regarding hospitals in your area. Learn just how much the under and uninsured are costing you. I assure they are measurably. Hospitals alone make up the difference by charging tax payers and insured.
The president wanted as well Sen. Kennedy the Public Option which was blocked. The president said that it's not the perfect bill nor exactly what he wanted but it's a start. Does it need tweaking? Assuredly. Does it need to be repealed absolutely not as we all gain from it's implementation.
I love the term "premium support", it almost sounds viable. The reality is that it's school vouchers applied to medical care. It's simply a way to give our money to corporations. So what you're telling me is that after all these years of compulsory payments to a medical care account with the promise of full coverage when I reach 65 you're giving me a 50 cent off coupon for Depends. Thanks a bunch! Throw in a free sample of Aspirin and you have a deal. Amazing.......
citizensarethecountry - there are several reasons Medicare is as expensive as it is, though still far less than private insurance: [a] it covers seniors 65+ and the disabled, most of whom have more health problems requiring treatment than the general population as a whole; [b] fraud - which is coming down as enforcement goes up but is still a major issue in some markets (e.g. Florida); [c] the payment structure - paying for each service rather than umbrella coverage of the individual - maybe we should try a flat rate for each of three levels of service (basic, intermediate, and advanced care.) If we made Medicare the only health insurance - private insurers like the Blues could provide supplemental insurance or for things like Lasik or cosmetic surgery - costs would also drop because the young and healthy would also be part of the pool of insured.
15,000 x 3330,000,000 = 4,950,000,000,000. that about 5 trillion dollars Candice, ie mouthpiece for the republicans. a year. its expected that the aca will cost 2 trillion dollars of a decade. btw, that's 10 years. just making up crap like ryan, are you, Candice?
Candice is paid to troll for the insurance industry.
silly Ryan, how would Obama spend our country into bankruptcy if you expect him to make cuts??
Do you mean the same Paul Ryan who collected Social Security as a young man beacause he "couldnt make it on his own"?
Kobold...do you mean the survivor benefits he received after the untimely death of his father?? Last I checked...Social Security Survivor benefits are not welfare
Social Security is not welfare, it's an entitlement. Just like Medicare which Ryan wants to cut.
Social Security benefits are not welfare, but many Republicans continue to classify them as "entitlements."
silly person. Do you know the deficit has been cut in half since Obama took office. And the stock market is the highest ever? Of course not. YOu are too busy worrying about Obama being successful. And why didn't you worry about Bush spending us into oblivion. If he had spent like Bush the deficit would by twice as much not half as much. Bush took it from surplus or zero to 1.5 trillion. It is around 865 billion now. Not 3 trillion. Use the right figures and then keep the economy in perspective. Naturally the spending will be higher because we have a larger economy and it keeps growing everyday.
B7#'s, Social Security is not welfare, nor is it an entitlement. It was a placed into law with no options to opt out. Those monies sat in an account, until those dysfunctional boys and girls in Congress found it easy to spend on those entitlements you speak of.
The problem with SS is government itself!
ktlin....the "deficit has been cut in half sine Obama took office"!!!!?????? ...are you really this misinformed? Please stop listening to liberal ex-comedians for all of your news....you are being duped!!
PS- Didn't Obama promise not to cut Medicare just 4 months ago and is now cutting it 2%?
whether social security is welfare depends on who is getting it.
Ryan and the Republicans have always supported Social Security and Medicare. They, however, have been the only ones thus far with the courage to level with the people that the programs are not sustainable --- and in order to survive --- need to be fixed.
The Democrats, it seems, choose to continue to make promises to people. Even though they know deep down inside - those promises will be impossible to keep.
Should they be honest, or just string us along?
ktlin...
Actually, you best thank mr bernanke for the stock market rise because of the massive amounts of liquidity the FED is pumping into our economy. Surely you don't think that the independent FED is in collusion with obama to make up for obamas wasteful spending, do you?
Best keep your eye on the bottomline sweety and that is our countries debt. You do realize that if we spend more each year than we collect in revenue that amount is added to our deficit, right. It also shouldn't come as a shock to just go to treasury.gov to see our government debt by fiscal year.
Slice and dice all you want but by the time obama leaves office he will have nearly doubled our debt over the total debt of all previous administrations. Bush2 may have been a spendthrift, but obama so far has left him in the dust.
Social Security benefits are not welfare, but many Republicans continue to classify them as "entitlements."
How is it not an entitlement? Seniors are receiving money from people who are working. That's how SS works. The money you pay into it is given to people currently drawing from the funds. You are not paying into it for yourself, you are paying into it for others, ergo they are entitled to your money.
Funny girl;
So, what do you propose as a solution? Just so that you know where I am coming from--I took early retirement and don't need social security. When I get it, it will be rounding error in my income. I was lucky. I am for means-testing social security. I think it is wrong to raise the retirement age or cut benefits. I think we should raise taxes on high income earners and/or place a social security tax on early-retirees like myself who have other income that would have been paying social security and medicare if they were still drawing W-2 income. That is what I think is fair even if I don't like its impact on me. Just because I don't like it, does not mean its not fair. OK, your turn.
Satanick,
That is how insurance works, too. If we had to depend on getting back our own premiums to cover a house fire or car damage, we'd never recover from these things. I worked 35 years and paid social security so that my father and grandfather could live in retirement. Now, its your turn to support you parents. As my grandfather used to say,"may you live long enough and my your children prosper so that you can get it from them". Sorry, that's how it goes.
Seriously, what planet have you been living on?
Candice, ever try to get a quote for a medical procedure if you are on a high deductible plan? There is no one-stop shopping or general contractor. It's a nightmare. The medical profession is not ready for free-market medical care. This is why Medicare needs to stay intact except perhaps for limiting end of life care.
Having said that, Paul Ryan is committing political suicide and opening up the field for untalented wannabees such as Rubio.
And Ryan is talented? Rubio did himself in with the dumb state of the union response. What does a high deductible have to do with getting a quote? YOu just expect to pay your deductible. To me that is the way it was in the 80s or 90s whatever and that is the way it must be. Otherwise health costs are just way too expensive. We can make cuts but we still have to pay our share. If one person uses a million dollar in cost which does happen, think how long it would take for premiums to make that up and pay everyone elses care too. I don't think a lot of people know how insurance works. You take everyones premiums and put them in a pot and everyones expenses plus the companies is taken out of that. Todays interest is piddly so premiums has to pay for everything. Obamacare thankfully makes them take so much to pay for care not high executive salaries although they still manage to do that.
Well girls, if you listened to obama on containing medical costs, he has repeatably implied that the government will set limits on what will be reimbursed to the healthcare providers for specific treatments, end of life or not.
Guess what? Ever wonder why there is a decline in the healthcare profession that is devoted to geriatrics? Or the caveat being mentioned by many on finding suitable facilities willing to care for seniors? Think what you will, but when my mom broke her hip, after 100 days (including therapy) medicare stopped payments and she was out the door. Obama is no more of a friend to the elderly than the GOP, but at least the GOP recognizes that a problem exists.
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ktlin....
whistling past the graveyard are we on interest rates? The FED's QE policy may have gone to far. There will be a price to pay by us for just an extended period of low rates.
B707320C,
I had excellent insurance - a "Cadillac plan" - and then the Affordable Health Care Plan was passed and my new plan is a high deductible HSA. Yes, it stinks.
Yikes! We're not to care for our elderly anymore? That's not a good solution. It's scary.
I agree, Ryan gets pounded in the press, and his ideas, while well intentioned and honest, don't fare well with the public - especially with the negative spin. The party needs to communicate their ideas better, that's for sure. And come up with some new ones.
No one wants to give up what they were promised by the government, even if there isn't enough money to pay for it.
Just tax the rich more, eh???
Candice, there is no reason that your employer was forced into a bad healthcare plan, if your previous one was so good. your employer may have wished to save money.
btw,
Health-care costs grew slower than the rest of the economy in 2011 for the first time in more than a decade. For health policy analysts, that’s huge: When they try to get really aggressive on controlling costs, they usually aim for cost growth that is 1 percent higher than the rest of the economy.
1.4 trillion in healthcare costs in 2000 and 2.7 trillion in 2011. if you really think that aca is driving these costs, you are a tea drinker.
Candice, we need to be smart about what care our elderly get. At 87 my father was diagnosed with a somewhat uncommon blood disorder. He died just short of his 88th birthday. But by the time he died we went from monthly to biweekly transfusions. He was in and/out of the hospital and rehab. My mother, believing that he could live to be a hundred and was on medicare didn't hear about a medical procedure she did not like. The doctors had pulled me aside and told me to consider hospice. Well, none of this got him to 100. He accomplished everything in life he had set out to do. His time had come. But not after society pumped tens of thousand of dollars into his last 6 months. We are not talking about a hip replacement here that would have improved his day to day life. We were just trying to see how much more we could get out of him. I can tell you this, if he to pay for it out of his own pocket (and he could have afforded to), he would not have done it. That is my point. After 80, we need to be very careful what we pay for. Are we paying to improve life or are we just delaying the inevitable? If you want to spend your family's money that way, be my guest. But I don't think society should be an open checkbook all the way till the end.
Isn't his real job to work as a part of Congress to compromise and find the best possible budget that is passable and move on. If he wants to dictate how the country spends money, he needs to run for President as win. America rejected the Republican "pretentious, we suddenly care about "some" of the deficit spending items" approach when we resoundingly rejected Mitt Romney. The problem that Republicans have is they don't realize that we are watching. The fact that they wouldn't close a single loophole a week ago means that this Ryan budget can't be taken seriously.
That said. WE encourage republicans to set themselves up for another resounding defeat at the polls. While they assume that people take them seriously they must understand that their typical voters are sole property of the GOP and under no circumstance would vote for anyone else. To them their policies don't matter. For the rest of us, we recognize games when we see them.
Lyan Ryan
Give it up fool,you where doing ok until you,wanted to repeal Obama care,,,law,of the land,not going to happen,,,
Obamacare is the biggest piece of @!$%# ever drafted! Even a ton of Dems want it repealed.....
Dear HopeisGone - do you feel at all foolish to keep asking if Liberals are misinformed? You write such crap, your language is awful, you obviously watch Faux News? for your information. crude, rude, disgusting and ill informed. if hope is really gone - then I would stop posting right now and go buy yourself a drink. I think you need one. in any event stop making a fool of yourself
HopeisGone! This is your Great Republican Spin - along with Lyin Ryan! There was a reason he lost the election, FUZZY MATH! It didn't add up and still doesn't! Why don't you name all of these Dems that want it repealed? You can't! LIVE WITH IT!
Mr. Ryan has never in his entire time in congress passed a bill (beside naming a post office or two, which he strongly opposes the postal service). He has collected a check on the tax payer. Now he wants to humiliate them farther by purposing this mess. Go away girlie man, go away.
Gateway,
I think the best thing the to do would be to look at the Senate budget that Harry Reid proposed last year......u,,,,,...I mean the year before that......er, actually the one before that.....what's that???...no budget then either? How about the year before???
I guess the question really is: Does Reid even know what a budget is? Is he aware that the government spedns $1 trillion more per year than we take in. Hell, the fact is Ryan is the only one leading on this. Obama out playing golf (which I have no problem with, the farther away from budget discussions he stays, the better for the country), Reid has no interest in bring a budget for consideration (the height of incompetence and a direct shot at the middle class).
You clowns knocking Ryan for trying to lead and fix the problem should be thankful for guys like him. Otherwise the Obama trainwreck would have been compounded by a factor of 10.
"Obama trainwreck"? Dude where have you been the past 12 years? The train was off the tracks before Obama came into office. If it wasn't for liars and obstructionists like Ryan then this economy would've been a lot better...say maybe by a factor of 10.
Ryan,
You are demonstrating your LINAV credentials (Low Information Non Accountable Voter).
Who is the POTUS? Who has been the POTUS for the last 4+ years? Who said he would fix it? Here is a hint: He has extensive background as a community organizer and his last name is Obama.
Either lead or get out of the way. When it comes to the economy, I want Obama as far away from the discussion as possible. His economic policies have proven to be failures. End of discussion.
The key to most everything is simplification. Single payor for all government sponsored insurances including Tri Care and VA should cut the administrative costs by 1/3 or more. Simplification of defense some have said could maintain current levels with 20% reductions in costs. Simplified income taxes, secure Social Security payments in Federal Bonds a win win, simple straightforward rules of conduct for all businesses covering safety and environment, simple welfare and food stamps that pay a reduced rate as you work that encourages work. Simple life in prison for drug dealers and transporters, simple 50% tax on those who work "under the table", simply no political contributions from anything but individuals and only in your district for the office you run for --- Simple, with all the simple minds in Congress you would think it would be easy to get simple.
Finally someone like Don "gets it." So sick of the Ryan bashing, So sick of unintelligent media parrots who don't know their ass from their elbows -- which explains in great detail why America is heading down hill - Mediocre people = MEDIOCRITY.
And as you can see Don, no one else but myself has commented on what you said -- because "they" are parrots who are dumbed down brainwashed stooges.
Sorry, but Duderocker just dusted off his 2011 budget and decided it would be relevant today. What a total looser. I would love to see footage of his Mom's 'retirement villiage friends' comments on this...
Why is the Keystone XL pipeline part of the budget proposal? The GOP will stop at nothing to get that pipeline built, enough though it doesn't benefit the US at all. The construction jobs are only temporary, and the oil it will transport will be exported.
...and the pipeline has so much Democratic support why??
Barry...
All construction jobs are temporary. Permanence is only based on a companies ability to win contracts. Regardless, construction jobs have a multiplier effect on local economies, material suppliers and tax bases. You know, trickle down.
Even obama regognizes the importance of exports in improving our economy. You know "balance of trade"
BTW - the oil exported will likely be oil products refined by U.S. workers in the USA. More money to spend and tax, right?
Let Mr. Ryan lead by example and give himself a voucher for 15k.
The GatewayBull
AND GIVE ONE TO HIS MOTHER TOO! Let us know how that works out for the whole Ryan Clan!
@The GatewayBull
I think you're right on the money there... Cuts are great, as long as they only affect others...
Don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of government programs, but from what I am seeing, doesn't seem like any of the parties want to take a real stab at the problem...
I think the main problem is that the American people is being kept sick and dependent on the government by the garbage we eat every day.
The root of the problem starts with our food system... Reduce the number of sick people and we reduce Health Care costs altogether.
Simple minds like the biggest loser of 2012-2013, we give you,,Mitt Robme
Let's see how the CBO scores the Ryan plan and the Senate plan.
It will get a low score
Ok Bulletman,
Why don't you provide an analysis on why the Ryan plan will get a low score from the CBO?
Have you seen the plan yet, identified the problem areas and analyzed the income/outgo situation?
Um gee funnygirl12,maybe because without the assumption of a repeal of the Affordable Care Act there is no way for the Ryan plan to be feasible,even using his flawed methodology. Personally I'm not sure the CBO will even bother to score this garbage. It's nothing but a rehash of already trotted out position points and rhetoric,NOT a real budget proposal.
Not to worry though, I just e-mailed my representatives a plan that is just as grounded in reality as Rep. Ryan's. It's more centered on increasing revenues instead of cutting spending and the centerpiece involves unicorns bringing back gold bars from the end of all the rainbows in the world.
>>Frigging Face Palm at Eddie Munster on Steroids<<
Who could ever take this loser seriously??? I would think after Biden showed America just how ill prepared Ryan was to become VP, Ryan would have hung his head in shame and resigned. This guy makes Bush seem bright.
Thats ot possible,,lmao
You do have a point. Maybe thats why he won't go away.
Paul Ryan is neither smart nor informed. Who is fooled by him counting Obama's tax increase revenue and Medicare cuts as part of his "budget" proposal? It is time for the fool to take his fiscal fantasies away until he cures his economic illiteracy. There is not enough knowledge or leadership in the Republican party to effect meaningful or even rational solutions.
As long as he can fool a bunch of republicans he is in like flint and plans to stay. Republicans don't care what he does as long as he isn't a democrat.
And as long as you promise to get rid of the president, save the rich from taxes, keep guns in schools, it's not that hard to fool a lot of republicans.
Seems that obama has fooled many people. Who really believes that taking money from the minority will really benefit the majority?
BTW - I never had a problem with letting the obama (bush2) tax cuts expire accross the board or in spending reductions. That would be the "fair and balanced way". Obama is just stroking you.
I guess that dicisive loss, er, rejection of the republican extreme draconian women, children, seniors, disabled, poor, middle class and working class killing agenda and proposed budget, did not compute.
Ryan and the GOP lost big on this.
No one under 55 is stupid enough to buy into this crap that "premium support" is not privatizing Medicare. These asshats just do not understand that we are unwilling to give up what we paid into for 30 years because George W. Bush and the GOP, including Ryan and the rest of the leadership, spent, spent and spent on two massive tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires in 2001 and 2003, none of which was paid for. That is simply unacceptable.
GOP,never learns,but will always lose
Hmmm...I'll wait for the details, but it sounds suspiciously like the same old, same old...cut taxes and pray for growth.
Nice to see at least one man on the hill can be a voice of reason. God job Ryan. Now if only Obama would show up and stop ranting about yet another tax increase...maybe we can get something done.
Let's cut costs, regulation, taxes, and let the economy boom for a change. Enough of Obama, doom and gloom, and enough of raising taxes.
T-Rex, geez you want to cut taxes more, what are you guys aiming for, no taxes at all?????? I think there are quite a few people who are on this lower tax boat who would be in deep kimshi if all those benefits from paying taxes went away, I would be willing to bet people who think taxes need to be cut even more would be the ones screaming the loudest.
Wake up call bohner got his spending cuts,,next up. Revenue
T-Rex, the only people who think Ryan is the voice of reason are the deaf,dumb or blind.
first of all God Job Ryan? must be a misprint or you are seriously delusional. Second we are not talking about tax cuts we are talking about ending the tax cuts for the wealthy brought to you by the Bush, Inc.
and I never equated gloom and doom with the reality of the damage done the Bush, Inc.
There is so much voodoo in Ryan's budget it would make a Hatian witch doctor proud. We get it, the GOP has been trying to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, Voting Rights, and every other program that made this country strong since their inceptions. This is just another attempt in a long line of GOP attempts to repeal the social fabric of America for the profits of their corporate masters. Didn't work in the last election and it won't work any time soon.
I am curious why Ryan thinks after something like 33 attempts to get rid of Obamacare, he thinks it will happen now? And to basically base his whole budget on the ability to get rid of Obamacare is naive at best, stupid at worst.
I could have sworn that Ryan was part of the losing team in Nov 2012 but maybe I was mistaken. I was pretty sure that voters basically told him to take his budget ideas and stick them, but again maybe I am mistaken. Not sure why Ryan thinks his 3rd attempt at a budget would make it any more palatable, considering how he hopes to achieve a balanced budget, on the backs of the middle class, poor and the elderly.
I couldn't agree more! Apparently, Ryan hasn't noticed that the train has already left the station. Many of the elements of Obamacare are already in place, including coverage of dependent children up to age 26; prohibition of lifetime coverage limits; prohibition of excluding children with pre-existing conditions; and reduction in insurance company overhead expense. But it's STILL his group’s intent to repeal past legislation rather than work on the issues that middle-class Americans find meaningful at the PRESENT time. He needs to wake up and deal with reality and if he doesn't, every American should send these "reps" back to where they came from in their next respective elections.
Ryan budget plan, did not work in 2011-2012 election. You should see the HR25 transaction taxation, involves heavy government involvement with compensation for the poverty/sustenance fairness levels based on statistical projections; his statistical factoids of course.
We need to stop non democratic oppressive domination policy. To assert dominance over the industrial might, we need to adopt a fair taxation system (poverty level and business exemption). Under the 16th amendment that means poverty margin progressive income taxation. Trivial analysis of USA National per capita income results is a first approximation 0% tax below $20k (joint $40k) margin, and 35% above to cover Federal budgets. Inclusion of State and Municipality results in an additional 55% tax margin at $200k above income. This is an under approximation of 1960 federal taxes.
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Honorable Senator/Representative/POTUS,
Stop Sequestration.
This is a mandate for a Federal income tax system that funds Federal, Health (Obama-Care and Medicare) and Social security. One Margin level will yield the $3.8T revenue: %0-$20k 0% tax rate, $20k upwards 35% flat rate, income bundled and taxed in summation form, couples freely share, no business tax and no exemptions. The rate is less than 2011 single standard at under $200K. The Federal Reserve sets the rates, mandated to maintaining monetary value and supply.
Thank you for your immediate attention,
Your constituent [Zip Code]
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This balances the budget when enacted, not years in the future.
Deficit is an imbalance between revenue and expendature(s). Expendature(s) are defined by a Nation's needs; germain to Ryans elitest view that is the welfare and happiness of it's people.
When I look at Paul Ryan, I am reminded of those @!$%# frat jerks I used to see in college. Most people who've been to college know which guys I am referring to. Frat @!$%#s who come from privileged backgrounds, they usually have money, and usually get away with doing horrible things to people to get whatever it is they desire. These guys are the larvae of the beasts you are seeing now in the news, the corporate titans, the Wall Street elite, the 1% who have all but destroyed this country, and through their control of nearly all media outlets, are trying desperately to hold onto the power and control that they have seized as their legacy, because they are so much better than anyone else! They start off in college in positions of privilege, and it is in college that they embrace the philosophy that they alone are the inheritors of the earth, that only the wealthy and powerful deserve to exist, that somehow if you are poor, it's because of some type of moral or ethical failure on your part, or because you just aren't as smart, or worthy as they are. That if you are anything but White and wealthy, you don't even deserve to exist, and if you do exist, you must do so as their slaves. They use the facades of religion and morality to try and hide their sinister agendas, and pretty much assert that their right to power and control are gifts bestowed directly from God!
well said salsa.
Right on Salsa and if Romney had won they would have had the Grand Poo Pa of frat boys doing evil things to others.