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Subscribe to RSSA pretty consequential week in American politics… Potential 2016 candidates are already dipping their toes into the 2016 waters… Tea Party group gets into the act, too, airing a TV ad in Iowa against Bob McDonnell… Your Friday 2016 round-up… Last month’s big jobs numbers: 236,000 jobs added in February, unemployment rate falls to 7.7%... Bill Clinton calls to overturn DOMA, which he signed into law… Levin retires, creating another open-seat opportunity for the GOP… And breaking down our 2014 retirement watch.
*** A consequential week: A year from now, we could look back on this first full week in March as being a pretty significant week in American politics. For starters, we saw former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush dip his toes into the 2016 waters with his media blitz to sell his new book on immigration reform. It produced some backlash, because his immigration plan (written before this year’s Senate movement on the issue) didn’t include a pathway to citizenship. We also saw Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) dip his toes in the 2016 waters, too, as he 1) mounted a highly publicized filibuster against CIA pick John Brennan (who nevertheless was confirmed yesterday) and 2) told Politico he was “seriously” considering a presidential bid. And then after Washington’s inability to avert the so-called sequester budget cuts, we saw President Obama launch a charm offensive, taking 12 GOP senators out to dinner and inviting House Budget Committee Chairman (and failed VP nominee) Paul Ryan to lunch at the White House. It remains to be seen if this recalibration will pay dividends for Obama. But if a Grand Bargain on the budget -- or close to it -- occurs later this year, we’ll look back on this week as being pretty consequential.
Eric Gay / AP
Jeb Bush talks with the media following his address on education to the Texas Business Leadership Council, Tuesday, Feb. 26, 2013, in Austin, Texas.
*** Dipping toes into the 2016 waters: In addition to Jeb Bush and Rand Paul dipping their toes into the presidential waters, it’s worth pointing out the different ways all the potential 2016ers have done so far in the first three months of 2013. Last month, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio delivered the high-profile GOP response to President Obama’s State of the Union and has signed on to a bipartisan framework for immigration reform (that does include a pathway to citizenship). Meanwhile, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has blasted House Republicans for failing (temporarily) to provide Hurricane Sandy relief, criticized Obama and Washington for not reaching a deal on the so-called sequester, and decided to expand Medicaid in his state under the federal health-care law (which helped him get uninvited to next week’s CPAC). And back in January, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal argued that Republicans should focus less on Washington’s budget battles.
*** Biden and a Tea Party group gets into the act, too: On the Democratic side, Vice President Joe Biden also appears to be testing the waters. This week, he was pitching himself to a different constituency nearly every day, it seemed -- Selma on Sunday, at a hunting club on Monday, AIPAC on Monday, and women on Thursday with the signing of the Violence Against Women Act into law. And outside groups are already getting into the 2016 act: A Tea Party group, Patriot Super PAC, is up with a small TV ad buy in Iowa (just $4,300) criticizing Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell for raising taxes as part of his passed transportation plan, per Buzzfeed. Yes, it’s early. Yes, things are fluid. And, yes, a lot right now is simply speculation. But like it or not, the 2016 early jockeying has already begun.
Critics are outraged that a nonprofit group called Organizing for Action could be offering quarterly meetings with the President Obama to wealthy donors. NBC's Chuck Todd reports.
*** Your Friday 2016 round-up: By the way, here’s a round-up of all the other 2016 activity this week: Hillary Clinton topped all the potential 2016 Republicans in a new national Quinnipiac poll. (And someone made ANOTHER Super PAC supporting her. It's the third.)... Chris Christie, who’s still trying to legalize sports gambling in his state and would take it to the Supreme Court if he has to just as March Madness approaches, faired best among Republicans in the poll… It wasn’t an easy week for Jindal with his signature “education overhaul” struck down by the state Supreme Court Monday. And he was sparring with his state treasurer, a Republican, over his budget… Gov. Martin O’Malley proposed raising the gas tax in Maryland… And Marco Rubio joined the Rand Paul filibuster, channeling rapper Wiz Khalifa (whom he called a “modern-day poet”), Jay-Z, and “The Godfather.”
*** Last month’s big jobs numbers: Per the AP, “U.S. employers ramped up hiring in February, adding 236,000 jobs and pushing the unemployment rate down to 7.7 percent from 7.9 percent in January. Stronger hiring shows businesses are confident about the economy, despite higher taxes and government spending cuts.” That 7.7% unemployment rate is the lowest it’s been in four years.
*** Bill Clinton calls to overturn DOMA, which he signed into law: This Washington Post op-ed by Bill Clinton -- calling to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act, which he signed into law -- is certainly news. It’s not every day that a former president writes an op-ed admitting to a mistake. “As the president who signed the act into law, I have come to believe that DOMA is contrary to those principles and, in fact, incompatible with our Constitution,” he writes. “When I signed the bill, I included a statement with the admonition that ‘enactment of this legislation should not, despite the fierce and at times divisive rhetoric surrounding it, be understood to provide an excuse for discrimination.’ Reading those words today, I know now that, even worse than providing an excuse for discrimination, the law is itself discriminatory. It should be overturned.”
*** Levin retires, creating another open-seat opportunity for GOP: As NBC’s Mike O’Brien reported yesterday, Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), who chairs the Senate Armed Services Committee, announced he won’t seek another term in 2014. Like Tom Harkin’s earlier retirement in Iowa, this gives Republicans an opportunity to capture this seat next year. Democrats should still be favored to win this contest -- Republicans haven’t won a Senate race in Michigan since 1994 -- but they do have to play defense now, and it is a midterm year. As for potential successors, the name we’re hearing on the Democratic side is Rep. Gary Peters (D-MI), but you can bet that former Gov. Jennifer Granholm will think about running. On the GOP side, there’s Rep. Mike Rogers, chairman of the House intelligence committee; Bill Schuette, the state attorney general and former three-term 1980s U.S. congressmant; Brian Calley, the 35-year-old lieutenant governor; Secretary of State Ruth Johnson; and Dave Brandon, the University of Michigan’s athletic director.
*** 2014 retirement watch: Given the Levin news, here’s our retirement watch for 2014: The Democrats -- so far -- have to defend five open seats (West Virginia’s Jay Rockefeller, Massachusetts’ John Kerry, Iowa’s Tom Harkin, New Jersey’s Frank Lautenberg, and Michigan’s Carl Levin), versus two for Republicans (Nebraska’s Johanns and Georgia’s Saxby Chambliss).
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Woohoo, I am Frist...
In fiscal year 2011, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, or CMS spent $962 billion on Medicare and Medicaid, about a quarter of all federal outlays that year.
While a number of able men and women have served as temporary bosses at CMS, not one of them has had the benefit of Senate confirmation since Mark McClellan, President George W. Bush's pick, was approved on a voice vote in 2004. (He resigned in 2006.)
The problem, in a nutshell, is that the CMS directorship has gotten caught up in the polarized politics of health care. The most recent example was Donald Berwick, who served as a recess appointee of President Obama between July 2010 and December 2011 but could never overcome filibuster threats from Republicans trying to score points against Obamacare.
Now Mr. Obama has nominated the acting CMS administrator, Marilyn Tavenner, to head CMS permanently. A widely respected professional, she enjoys bipartisan support from seven past confirmed CMS administrators, as well as an endorsement from Eric Cantor (Va.). The Senate should move expeditiously to confirm Ms. Tavenner.
More broadly, Congress should consider whether short-term political appointment remains the best way to fill this trillion-dollar post. The director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation serves a 10-year term. The commissioner of Social Security serves six years. These arrangements help minimize the politicization of functions that need to be carried out in as nonpartisan a manner as possible. Running the gigantic CMS is the same kind of job.
US adds 236K jobs, unemployment falls to 7.7 pct.
That's before the sequester. Take that right wing nut jobs.
Rand Paul Has 99 Problems
Ah, yes, way to woo the kids with references to Jay-Z… I think Rubio’s trying to steal the “youth” vote that Rand is trying to inherit from his old man by speaking with the vocabulary of the street. Good luck, Marco, Paul didn’t even take a drink until he was about an hour into his speech… no furtive snatches at baby-sized water bottles for this Randian superman. Keep quoting those hippety hop artists, Marco, it won’t change the fact that Rand Paul drank your milkshake (which is sure to bring all the libertarians to the yard). Oh sure, the kids will be appalled that Rand Paul would have opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he doesn’t support reproductive freedom for women, and he didn’t seem to mind that his “Tea Tea Macoutes” stomped a young woman in his presence, but he pretty much left you in his dust (which may explain your dry mouth). Regarding his continued appeal until 2016, Rand Paul has 99 Problems, but Marco Rubio isn’t one of ‘em.
http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/rand_paul_has_99_problems/
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Many people don't stand with Rand Paul; just saying. Keep fauxlibustering.
Happy International Women's Day to all my sisters here.....
It's March 8
Let's sip some virtual coffee ... on this Virtual Cafe, or First Read.
Cheers........
The President has signed the 'Violence Against Women Act' yesterday, so that wife-killers such as Drew Peterson will be deterred in the future.
"All women deserve the right to live free from fear," the president said in his remarks before signing the bill. "That’s what today is about."
The Charm Offensive
Stop the presses, move that puff piece on Honey Boo Boo to page nine. We've got real news to report and it's going to be splashed all over page one. The president had dinner with the enemy. He had lunch with the guy who wants to push granny off the cliff. And next week he's stepping onto the varmints' own turf to make nice. Be still my beating heart, and crack open another barrel of ink!
Forget about all that name calling coming from the president and his lackeys, this is a new day. The man who has been savaging his opponents throughout a permanent campaign of disinformation is turning a new leaf. The man who presided over one of the dirtiest gutter campaigns in history is extending a hand in friendship. The man who preaches unity but then does his best to divide and conquer is now marching to a different drummer. Good grief, is this big news or what?
This would indeed be big news – if it were true. The thought of a president who genuinely wanted to work with the opposition rather than thinking up new ways to annihilate them would be a major step forward on the path towards addressing our problems. Sadly, the more likely reality is this is just the latest act in a political theater where Obama is trying to regain the high ground. The ground he lost when his scaremongering about the effects of the sequester was met with widespread skepticism.
So Republicans need to be on their toes. The temptation of the battle weary to be seduced by the olive branch of peace will be strong, and the tantalizing notion of a grand bargain within reach may prove hard to resist. But Republicans need to keep in mind who they are dealing with: namely, a man who has proven he will not hesitate to use them as props in a never ending quest to manipulate public opinion. That is the Obama we have all come to know in his time on the national stage. And before Republicans fall victim to his machinations yet again, they should first apply this simple metric used by a wise man from a bygone era:
Trust, but verify.
Oh, oh, no pork chops, piggys frist.
Anybody else here on First Read concerned?
Why were all the republicans happy with their meeting with President Obama?
I'm very concerned about the reporting of the cuts President Obama is putting on the table. Does he realize that if he makes a deal with the Republicans on cutting these programs, then this is going to be his legacy? Nothing else - just that a democrat, a very popular and trusted democrat, came in and cut programs the American people depend on. He surely knows that all those people who stood in line for hours and hours to vote for him, did so because they believed in him.
Instead of him meeting with republicans, I wish President Obama would meet with democrats. REAL democrats. I'm not feeling too good about any of this. If he is planning on "reforming" these programs to cut out waste, etc., then fine. I applaud that. We all do. But please, no cutting to benefits or raising retirement age. No.
The president needs to talk to the American people and make clear what his intentions are so there are no misunderstandings. People are very worried. They have gotten screwed time after time after time. President Obama was elected to stop the madness. Not continue it.
I can't jump to conclusions and I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Even democrats up here who feel he isn't progressive enough, still have faith in him, but it's wavering from what we're hearing on the news.
Austerity coming to America? Congressional leaders and the president should know better.
Boston Globe: But the austerity cuts made to restore confidence in financial markets have helped push the region (European) into recession and increase unemployment to record highs.
Good luck, Marco, Paul didn’t even take a drink until he was about an hour into his speech
Bev, you slay me - I'm still laughing. Now, can we get back to the subject of that fish out of water (gulp, gulp)?
Speaking of disinformation....
Bill in Fairfax does a might fine job of spreading propaganda around here based on his favorite dogma food.
Pigotry, well said and "frist", too.
The Senate needs to stop playing this ridiculous game of filibustering nominees. In addition to being without a permanent CMS head since 2006, as Independent Redneck pointed out yesterday in his post, the ATF has been without one since 2006 as well.
Once upon a time, the Senate only approved certain primary cabinet secretary positions such as State, Treasury, Defense, Transportation, Commerce, Agriculture, Health & Human Services. Over time, more and more control over presidential nominees, including lower level ones, was put into Senate rules. In my opinion, it is time for the Senate to overhaul the rules again and stop spending taxpayer money nitpicking presidential appointees to lower level positions.
Pat, no, I'm not concerned. I think the more reasonable GOPers needed an excuse to drag themselves out of the "NO NO NO" room where they've been stuck for four years. I much prefer a Democratic President and Democratic controlled Senate to negotiate the necessary reforms to social security and medicare to secure it for future retirees to what could happen if left totally to Republicans.
Oh Lord,,Bill and others.....will you give it a rest. For once in your life, would you stop the criticizing, it is tiresome from you and others. You don't like the President, you dont like liberals you don't like Democrats, we get that.
Now can you tell us something we dont know. Most of your and others complaints are a series of petty gripes, that perpetuate themselves with time into nothing but lies as some twisted minds push them into the absurd and are too stupid and ignorant to question or research because it suits their hatred of a group of citizens who happen to have labels on them that don't say they think like conservatives. I wish some of you, would think before you post....we are all in this together and we have to solve these issues the same way...together. No one get 100% of what they want in deal making....but one thing I would like 100%, of is that we consider ourselves ALL 'real Americans'.
Pat Boston-7793618
I'm not. Hopefully by going around the leadership and meeting with Republicans, they can find a way to get legislation through the Senate without the threat of a constant filibuster. Perhaps with the meeting, they can get an early compromise out of the way and the Senate can be a bit more on board with moving things forward.
Obama usually does get his way in the Senate, he may have to focus on a compromise with the House.
I don't know that meeting with his rank and file is necessary. They aren't providing a lot of push back or creating problems for him. Lately the Senate has been closer to a circus than a functional chamber even if in the end they do vote in the way he wants, but it takes quite a while to get anything passed through there.
I would think that people would be happy that they are at least trying to start cooperating a bit better than they have been.
General Chang’s Spicy Chicken Drone
From the article above:
A month ago, TomasGrande was sent to a seminar by the company he works for to learn about the latest in security systems. That’s right; High-tech, state-of-the-art security systems.
Contrary to the entire First Read RW Rereg-lotsanumbers clown-car bloggers repeated diatribe that “lefty Liberals are lazy, living off the system, cell phone grabbing communists”, TomasGrande is helping to keep America safe.
Well, at least for us Progressives (LMFAO).
Anyways, in the seminar room was a poster. A poster proudly displaying the entire military industrial complex’s latest hardware, including drones, or as they like to refer them to as “Unmanned aerial vehicles”. There are 16 manufacturers; familiar names like Raytheon, Honeywell, and Northrup Grumman, producing a total of 96 different types of drones. I should also mention that the poster was dated 2009.
Did you know, the first known powered “drone” was A.M. Low’s “Aerial Target” in 1916? They were also tested successfully in the Gulf War thanks to George H. W. Bush and have been used extensively in the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars by the Commander in Chiefs Bush Jr. and President Obama. (Wikipedia)
But I digress.
Undoubtedly, without researching further, my guess is there is at least twice that by now. And before you all think this is “double secret” information I saw, you can rest assure that the seminar room was located in a public part of the building use specifically for non-secure personnel.
Drones are not only here to stay, and are becoming more advanced as we speak, but there is even a company in Silicon Valley that wants to deliver tacos via drone called Tacocopter. The idea is that you order on your cell phone and the drone delivers tomorrow’s diarrhea strait to your GPS location.
Imagine that. Star Wars-type weaponry meets Corporate America.
So on Thursday, when CNNPolitics reported that the Sith Lord of the Lunatic Fringe, Rand Paul, was “happy with drone response” and ended his quest to block John Brennen’s selection to be CIA director, me thinks the Kentucky Blue Grass-smoking junior Senator was kindly reminded just how much of the taxpayers money goes into this high-tech research and his re-election campaign.
Funny, how that happened.
But you can bet a million dollars that won’t stop the RW media from its usual tactics of scaring the uniformed, uneducated, anti-Obama turd-blossoms into thinking the “the Black Man is comin’ to git me”.
Fear not, my RW freaks, because in a couple years, not only will there be drones flying all over the place, but you will be able to get your hot wings or Chinese food flown right to your fat, sorry-ass just before the drone riddles you with bullets for being over-the-limit on your Visa.
We now interrupt this program to bring you the following message:
“Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.”
HAL 9000 - Stanley Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Happy Friday!
Wow, Tea Bag groups sure love to throw around the word "Patriot." They are far from it. Let's call them what they are, "Domestic Terrorists."
Pat, I ran out of edit time before I could add that I prefer a Democratic President and Democratic Senate to use a scalpel to needed spending cuts, and that those cuts will more likely impact the out years more than the near years--while still investing in needed programs such as education, infrastructure.
Hey, Bill, so you can now read minds? Take the crystal ball back to the pawn shop from which you got it!
Oh those poor Republicans led around by the nose by an incompetent community organizer. ... Too funny Bill.
First Read writes: Per the AP, “U.S. employers ramped up hiring in February, adding 236,000 jobs and pushing the unemployment rate down to 7.7 percent from 7.9 percent in January. Stronger hiring shows businesses are confident about the economy, despite higher taxes and government spending cuts.” That 7.7% unemployment rate is the lowest it’s been in four years.
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This is such good news. Let's hope it continues in this direction!
Jody, Repojam - I will take your optimistic outlooks with me this weekend. Was feeling a little down from all the news reports of late concerning the cuts.
Oh, the humanity of it all!
Blame those jobs numbers on Obama! Blame the return of wealth to everyone's 401K on Obama! Blame the drop in unemployment on Obama!
And let's give thanks to McCain and Graham for their smack-down of the lunatic Rand Paul and his ridiculous filibuster on drone attacks! Poor Paul was humiliated by his own and didn't realize it.
Let's hope they keep that rift going!
What is it with Bill's, and their Faux news, faxes and ideology. The sneakiest, snarkiest bastard president ever Selected for office GW Bush, but the Bill's of the world gloss it over. You wanna talk division, it was the selection of GW Bush. You wanna talk opposition, annihilation, that is GW Bush. Public opinion is against Bill and his small Roaming Lindsey GangBang-sters. That's right you un-sly Faux - overwhelmingly against you!! You are a dying breed, and the extinction your ilk isn't coming soon enough, or should I say is as welcome as the demise of Dino and his sauri-asses.
RedDevPS
Red, It's so hilarious. Can't you just see Rubio rapping gangsta lyrics before he takes another gulp trying to woo the youth vote?
Jobs created under 4 years of Pelosi: -6,532,000
Jobs created under 25+ months of Boehner: 4,651,000
'cause they got a 'gift', free stuff....the 'free stuff' that they assail against.......gifts!
Idiots, idiots.....The Dirty Dozen!
Beverly in Chicago
The Republicans will fix that problem when 750,000 people get laid off during the sequester. They'll make Obama a one-term president yet!
Republicans have a secret plan to win back the Presidency: rig the Electoral College.
In states President Obama won fairly like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, Republicans are plotting to steal the election, using tactics like awarding electoral votes based on Congressional Districts, instead of the popular vote. Why? Because they spent the last two years gerrymandering these districts to unfairly favor Republicans.
If they’d done this before last year’s election, we’d have President Romney right now even though he lost by almost 5 million votes.
Pennsylvania Republicans are moving fast. They return to session on Monday looking to pass an election-rigging bill that – if active in 2012 – would have awarded eight of the state’s 20 electoral votes to Mitt Romney.
Red, It's so hilarious. Can't you just see Rubio rapping gangsta lyrics before he takes another gulp trying to woo the youth vote?
Bev, you'll have to excuse me from further comment - I can't get my visuals turned away from Rubio's tulips rapped around and gulping the lightening rod of the youth vote!!
Boy, these right wingers gonna wet their panties today.
7.7 unemployment rate, 236,000 jobs created. 36 Straight month of Private Sector Job Growth. Last month all these idiots was screaming about GDP.
Watch out for Roy Wilson, he will Cut N Paste the same crap from the last month. Laughable!!
Fairfax Bill writes:
Bill, they just can't do that when they have their heads up their asses.
Chip D-2844144
You got that right Chip! I laugh at the liberals... When job numbers were bad, they blamed Boehner... now that jobs seem to be climbing, they applaud Obama... as if Obama has done something about jobs... Funny how when numbers were falling they blamed Bush...
Liberals - selective posturing as long as it benefits the democrats... Let me find a corner to yak in.
Chip D-2844144
Fixed it.
Nice try on the spin.
Get your Facts straight.
Liar.
Epic FAIL.
Salud
Houston, I'm still waiting for the planes to fall from the sky and for the US to get attacked like Obama promised us.
Such a studious and profound come back. Did you find your response in the street gutter, or do you just make them up as you go along in your hateful way?
TomasGrande, but you and all your ilk have been arguing that the POTUS doesn't have that much power. Which is it, the POTUS has all the power or none? Can you make up your mind?
Or is it when it's good for "your guy" he get's credit, but when it's bad it's the "other guys" fault?
Only liberals think it's both ways.
I think Rand Paul's in-person filibuster was a proper application of that strange rule, and he did at least get a clarification from the Attorney General on the use of drones that made it clear no president has the authority to order a drone strike on anyone in the US except in combat situations.
But from what I've read so far, Paul spent most of his 13 hours saying really stupid stuff. What drives me up the wall was him claiming that Hitler was democratically elected. WRONG WRONG WRONG. Hitler ran for office once and lost. He was appointed Chancellor of Germany by Hindenberg.
And if someone as evil as Hitler ever became president, he or she would ever order a drone strike on a cafe in San Fransisco. What would be the point of that?
Tomas, cheers; enjoyed the tongue in cheek humor to end the week! BTW, when I lived in San Diego, my job was in "high-tech" security...and occupational safety/health; attended my fair share of seminars in the public places although Drones for tacos and hot wings weren't part of it yet.
Pat, at times I turn off the chattering class and tune it out, especially when liberals start whining as loudly as conservatives. It's all about compromise. While the TPers are stuck in extreme "austerity" mode, there are Republicans, including Boehner, who really do understand that the sequester cuts are draconian and will cause economic harm even if they won't or can't admit it to the press. There is a large area of sane, common sense middle ground if both simply look for it; start in the middle and get those things into the package, then move to the more difficult aspects. If it takes President Obama giving the GOPers some TLC, some up close and personal time along with some "cover", I'm all for giving it a try.
Houston, Holder had answered the question earlier but Rand Paul didn't understand the answer so Holder put it into about 40 easy to grasp words. I don't have a problem with Paul filibustering to focus on Drones but during his 13 hours he went off in to Kooks-Ville. McCain and Graham were right to criticize his fantasies.
That's my favorite news of the week! :)
Judging by all the assinine shots taken at my post, it's clear the left wing goons around here continue to be among my most devoted readers. I thank you all...
Fairfax Bill
I see you're still in the Wingnut alternate universe where the polls are skewed to favor Obama and Romney would have won in a landslide if it weren't for ACORN. Whatever criticism Obama has leveled at Republicans is pretty mild compared to the slime that Republicans have spewed at him, like when one wingnut congress critter screamed "you lie" when Obama addressed Congress, or when Newt Gingrich accused him of having a "Kenyan anti-colonial mindset" or when Mitt Romney claimed he was conspiring to impose a "secular religion" on America. It's amusing what delicate little flowers these GOP hatchet men are. Like most bullies, they curl up into a ball and start crying if anyone fights back.
Chip D-2844144
The furloughs of government employees don't start until April moron. The 750,000 jobs loss figure comes from the Congressional Budget Office, not from Obama. And quit lying about what Obama said. He didn't "promise" anything of the sort.
I don't know about wetting anything... but you liberals can finally stop your complaints about "where's the jobs." Congress seems to be doing their job finally... after months of liberal complaints.
OHHHHH you think Obama is responsible for the jobs? What the hell has he done to increase the job roles? Give me all the facts... nothing but the facts... and if you can't, thank your republican controlled house. I know that will send a shiver up your spine.
And the mental decline of a grumpy old man continues....
236,000 Jobs last month! Nicely done private sector! Glad you could work past the anti-business climate and still perform. You are the backbone of America.
Houston -- Agree on the clarification issue. Now that we have that clarified wonder if Congress will get to work protecting our privacy as it pertains to commercial and private use of drones. I see way too much opportunity for abuse of this technology.
Bill, Fairfax VA
Hate to disappoint you, but I stopped reading your diatribe after I got to your whining about Obam "savaging" poor little helpless Republicans.
Bill whines as he writes 'Judging by all the assinine shots taken at my post, it's clear the left wing goons around here continue to be among my most devoted readers. I thank you all...
Goons? Gee, Bill thank you for proving my point.....with another asinine post
Pat Boston-7793618
Pat, I read something about this on the peoples view. I didn't book mark it. I did find this
Nancy Peloisi defended it. More importantly, Greg Plum explains it.
Obama and Senate Dems will never agree to a fiscal deal that achieves the remaining deficit reduction experts have called for with only spending cuts, including serious cuts to retirement programs. There’s actually precedent for trying this: In 2005, President Bush and Republicans tried to enact a massive plan focused only on reforming entitlements. Even though Bush was riding high after reelection — and Republicans controlled both houses of Congress — the whole effort collapsed in abject failure, with even GOP officials running away from it. So, no, there won’t be any entitlement-reform-only package anytime soon.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/03/07/the-gops-easy-route-to-victory-in-fiscal-fight/
I think the President is more concerned about the people rather than his legacy.
I have an appointment need to go.
Have a nice day; Pat
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Houston, next you will try to tell us that the Dem's never said a bad thing about Bush, or that when they did he desrved it, unlike Obama.
Houston and GBM -- Mr. Bill plays the victim role well, doesn't he?
Johntho, the GOP's new motto must be "since we can't win, we'll cheat".
Chip D, in G. W. Bush's 8 years in office, he created 3 million jobs; President Obama has created 4.6 million in 3 years and that's while digging the country out of the economic crater Bush left.
Time to stop feeding the trolls like Chipper, edgar and Morgs.
Chippy - you are describing the fallout from increasing the minimum wage. Stay on point.
Houston, your mother must be proud of your language and name calling... still in 3rd grade?
Bill FairandBalancedFaux - we flatter you like we did Romney. Now back to your poll interpretations, I'm sure you are winning the popular vote. You might want to try giving away free stuff to up the ante!!
Jody, I never mentioned Obama in my original post, I said PELOSI!
Remember how you and your ilk keep blaming the GOP HOUSE for not passing any jobs bills? Make up your mind, is it the POTUS or HOUSE that creates jobs. The amount of circles you guys go in is crazy!
I love how the .com bubble is Bush's fault, not Clinton's. Why do you ignore facts and logic?
DCIA,
For the party who wears their "personal responsibility" badges proudly on their puffed up chests, ALL of the RWNJ's do!
Bullies NO LIKEY when you smack them back! ☺
They held quite the pity party here yesterday...
Overflow crowd and all... lol
I second that motion, Jody!
edgraw,
John Boehner and the 112th House, the least productive Congress ever!
Don’t try to tell anyone that doing nothing is why jobs are being created, that is BS!
Job creation and losses are trailing indicators of economic ups and downs … have very little to do with the makeup of the Congress at the time of the economic changes.
Sorry to disappoint, Fairfax Bill, I used to read your posts until your fingers got stuck on the same keys every day.
Be careful, Tomas... you know how paranoid they are. While we normal people chuckle and salivate at the idea of taco-delivery drones, the RWNJs hear that and run out to buy more guns and ammo to protect themselves from the evil machinations of our 'communist-leaning government'. Those people wouldn't know what freedom was if it kicked them in the cojones.
It's apparent by reading the comments on any gun control or drone article that a certain segment of the population has lost their minds.
Fairfax Bill writes:
A very fine whine, Bill. Your BS has been challenged plenty of times, and I can't recall your doing anything but running. I have asked repeatedly what makes the unemployment rate sacred. No answer. I have asked what rate is the perfect rate. No answer. There have been plenty of other challenges and you run away like a sissy.
You bring mountains of ideological nonsense here. You cannot defend your positions. You weren't really expecting respect for that, were you?
Rand Paul: I vow to filibuster the President's next nominee, whoever that is, until the administration answers my important questions. For example, this administration has never made a clear statement on whether they believe it is acceptable for EPA agents to randomly pull over American motorists and shove jelly beans up those motorists' noses. Isn't that something we should know? This is a crucial question of our constitutional liberties, but the administration has been completely silent, and I will do everything in my power to get an answer on this question and others.
Is it true that FEMA has a plan to eradicate 90% of the population? Is the ATF planning to raid Boy Scout Jamborees in a mass seizure of pocket knives? Who is hiding the perpetual motion device and water powered engines? Oh wait, that one's the oil companies? Well, that's alright then. And back to drones, has the administration authorized deploying hellfire missiles against nativity scenes on U.S. soil as part of their ongoing War on Christmas? What is the meaning of life? Is there a mathematical proof for Goldbach's conjecture? We have so many questions that this president and his administration have never clearly answered, and I refuse to actually do my job as a member of a legislative body until they do.
Dennis, couldn't the same be said abut the POTUS? That in fact Obama's poloicies did nothing to change job loss/creation and that it was actually the economic curve?
Also, who was in controll of the House and Senate when the economy tanked?
First Read writes in their article - Stronger hiring shows businesses are confident about the economy, despite higher taxes and government spending cuts.”
This is the only conclusion they draw from higher jobs numbers? Have they spoken to businesses? Do they know that it's approaching spring and the opportunity for higher outdoor work is upon us? I'm just saying... their conclusion is jello. Do they actually believe business owners are confident about this economy, with $17 trillion in national debt and deficits totaling a trillion a year? I know... First Read is blind to the facts and has to figure out a way to gloss over the cliff we are hanging on. Make it feel good, right?
Another thing... just because we have had a fairly decent month of job hires... how many of these jobs are temporary in nature? How many of these jobs will be laying off in a couple of months? I'm a realist... and know the pitfalls of formulating excitement over a snapshot in time. What is up this month can very easily be down next month. Since manufacturing has lost it's place as a main function of the economy, where did these jobs come from, and how many of them are viable? I notice the reporting doesn't give any indication as to the nature of the jobs. Interesting.
Chip D-2844144
The bad things said about Bush were mostly true: started two wars without paying for them and bungled both of them, and did nothing as Wall Street went berserk and tanked the economy.
Edgarw, As shown in the link, Feb has always had above average job numbers. A lot of this comes from corp planning results which are typically done in Jan.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
Chip D-2844144
Your mommy raised a liar. Maybe her other kids turned out better. Obama said that there would be widespread problems at airports due to the sequester, not that "planes would fall out of the sky" as you lied.
Feisty -- It's always someone else's fault with that crowd, isn't it?
On the bright side, all that crying and whining got them nowhere! LOL.
Notice today, they're discomforted by the good news on the job front?
These poor guys are never happy!
Wow, and the hits just keep on coming. I just love the smell of LWNJ invective in the morning.
"The bad things said about Bush were mostly true: started two wars without paying for them and bungled both of them, and did nothing as Wall Street went berserk and tanked the economy."
Thank you for proving my point 100%! "Bush was wrong so it's okay, Obama is never wrong so it's not okay."
Next you will tell us that the Dem's had nothing to do wit those 2 wars and the housing bubble... then you will tell us Clinton was really a GOP.
It's a sad sad position and you are part of the problem.
Hey Chippy Cheap Shot - let's play that game. It was GOP control of Congress. Ya see, the bubble started in 2004. The problem with your ilk is you never look at the cause, you only look at the rubble. You folks always like to walk in the room and fart, then place the blame on everyone else.
Chip,
Yes to some degree but an administration (in recent years) lasts for 8 years, not 2 like the Congress especially the House (Senate has a 1/3 turnover every 2 years). However under total control by one Party like from 2001 to 2007 they can be linked to changes in an economy.
kaybeetoys
Thanks, Kaybee.
The irony I pointed out, is how they are so afraid of "Gov-ment" taking over their lives, yet they are perfectly happy with Corporations taking over their lives.
And corporations could truly give a crap about them.
Have a great weekend.
Salud
Red, Actually the bubble started in 1997, but screw facts!
I know what the cause of the housing bubble was and part of it is now my GOVERNOR. The housing bubble was a bipartisan effort. Anyone who says otherwise is just plan IGNORANT. Are you ignorant?
DUHHHHH! Gee Dumis (since you purposely misspell my name) a liberal that finally speaks the truth. My post was meant to goad the liberals on this board that continually find blame with republicans and use job numbers as their method.
Tell me Dumis, how come you never find the time to try to correct your fellow liberals on the facts? Are you afraid of them? Are you afraid of telling them they are wrong? Afraid they might jump all over you because you truly disagree with them? Or is it you are selective in who you try to show off to on this board? Just another form of hypocracy exposed.
edgarw,
You have to be the least intelligent poster on this site--ever! And that's saying a lot.
Speaking of ACORN, the "investigative" conservative journalist James O'Keefe who was responsible for destroying that organization just agreed to pay one of the victims of his lies $100K. The credulous beltway media went into a frenzy over O'Keefe's bogus claims and doctored videos, but now seem strangely disinterested in the fact that O'Keefe has been completely discredited. Vera got some justice. Too bad that ACORN, the organization he worked for, never will.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/03/07/report-james-okeefe-to-pay-100k-settlement-to-f/192958
"However under total control by one Party like from 2001 to 2007 they can be linked to changes in an economy."
Dennis, we agree. Look what happended when 1 party controlled the House and Senate from 2007-2011, YIKES!
And didn't the GOP control both the House and Senate from 1995 to 2007, one of the greatest periods of growth in history?
Jody, Iowa
I'll drink to that!!!!
Thanks Jody.
Stay warm.
Salud
Tomas, definitely worth a toast. Now I really will stop feeding chipper and his pals.
Now who is screwing facts. If you want to follow your claim, the bubble started in 1776 and has been on an upward climb since. Did you forget the downturn in housing in 1999, and again in 2001. Bubble me that with your skewed facts and graphs.
GOP once a great powerful party is now a party of broken teacups and bag busters falling from grace, I say goodbye to this crippled obstinate party of Clowns !!!
we are still recovering from Bush2 so only a masochist would ever vote for Bush3.
Bush1 had the Savings & Loan crisis that cost the taxpayer billions...
Bush 2 had the Financial Meltown of 2008 that cost the taxpayers billions...
what would Bush3 bring to the table?
Jack, that says a lot coming from you.
Beverly in Chicago....."US adds 236K jobs, unemployment falls to 7.7 pct. That's before the sequester. Take that right wing nut jobs."
Mr Obama: "Pass MY stimulus and I will reduce the unemployment rate to 5.6% within the 2nd year I am in office."
WAITING....WAITing....waiting.......
Take that promise Progressives to the bank. Another promise BROKEN.
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Clinton campaign bumper sticker:
Jody,
Again you can't have it both ways, blaming Bush for the problems and ignoring Pelosi's actions. Then giving credit to Obama and ignoring the House GOP.
RedDevPS, see Glass Steagall, don't ignore the facts.
Chip D-2844144
you mean starting the Iraqi war based on TOTAL FABRICATION, LIES, and MANIPULATION? And done on credit?
you mean finishing of the piggy bank called Social Security to hide the real spending?
You mean undoing Clinton's balanced budget?
You mean doubling of unemployment?
You mean giving tax breaks ON CREDIT so high that we can barely cover the interest?
You know what your "GREAT" Republican Party gave us? Two biggest contributors to OUR NATIONAL DEBT: Bush unpaid tax breaks, and Bush unpaid wars.
Chip,
I never would have made a statement as ignorant--nay, stupid--as this:
Or this:
Only someone with zero analytical ability would treat these two very different historic events as being analogous.
Chip,
I was talking about both chambers and the Whitehouse which has only happened from 2003 to 2007 since 1993-94. That period of total control preceded the economic collapse. Draw your own conclusion.
ldo
Bush campaign bumper sticker:
Lay-off the dogma food. It's not healthy.
You're welcome. ; )
If Senator Elizabeth Warren throws her hat in the ring, count me in! Unlike any of the floundering flock of Tea Partiers and Republican toadies, Warren has proved she has a brain, a backbone, and the courage to stand up to Wall Street. She would be the perfect choice to follow up on the successful administration of President Obama!
Go for it, Liz! Make us proud!
Well lets see now. How many states have been doing prior preperation for the sequestor cuts? I guess it may be why my fine friends all over Idaho haven't been screaming and whining that we're ruined. How about big cheers for being able to plan for the future, even if you're not keen on it?
What an intelligent, well thought out remark. You slay me Jerk... er... Jack. I am shaken to the core... I'm now going to cover myself in loincloth and ashes.
Did you get this from Alynski's Rules for Radicals... page 7, rule number one... Diminish your opponent and make him ineffective with his responses. Very good try Jerk, but I have you figured out already.
edgarw,
The misspelling was an accident … Sorry !!
I always try to provide facts regardless of who the fact may favor or piss off.
If I were afraid to provide facts b/c of Liberal friends then why would I have just done so? Get Real !!
I never would have made a statement as ignorant--nay, stupid--as this:
Jobs created under 4 years of Pelosi: -6,532,000
Jobs created under 25+ months of Boehner: 4,651,000
So you admit to not using facts huh? That's what I thought, keep it up Troll.
Houston!
How can they deny that GWB was the worst president ever when his own party treats him like a VD?
Has anyone seen Bush anywhere with any Republican currently holding an office and especially with one who was recently running for re-election????
His own party doesn't want to touch Bush with a 10-foot pole but they will defend his presidency? HYPOCRITES!
Dennis, my conclusion is that this country runs best when:
The POTUS is a strong leader (like Clinton)
and the house and Senate are run by the other party and all 3 are willing to sit down with each other.
Something none of the "3 men in the room" can do. Obama one of the worst leaders we have and Reid and Bohner are too worredi about scorign political points and making a fool of themselves.
Of course you wouldn't Jerk. You adore Pelosi and would never admit to her bungling of the House... it's not in your DNA to EVER, EVER put down your woman. You should be proud!
bayllie
Bumper sticker:
"Fooled you once, shame on Dad. Fooled you twice, shame on Bro. Vote for Jeb. You won't get Fooled Again?
Chip D-2844144
do you realize that Clinton's Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 aka the Deficit Reduction Act of 1993 aka the Revenue Reconciliation Act of 1993 happened DESPITE the fact that not a single Republican voted for it?
Don't give Republicans credit for something they do not deserve.
Because you weren't directing your comment to a liberal, you were directing it towards me. You know your fellow liberals read your posts and it was meant to be an admonishment towards my comments. This is as real as it gets Dennis. You purposely do this all the time. Reading through the comments you make directed at conservatives on this board, you actually share many conservative views. In many ways you have the liberals fooled on this board... and I see through it. While your nature is liberal, many of your beliefs are not. Strange, coming from a person who Jerk just claimed as someone who is not intelligent.
edgarw,
Not a bad idea.
You don't have anything figured out--it's clear from your posts. Your shrill outrage at David yesterday was funny; yet it was also tragic.
Chip,
Your words:
Wrong. You are twisting historical events to support a pathetic analogy that has no basis in fact.
Bayllir and you do realize that Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, had almost nothing to do with the ballanced budgets under Newt?
Jack, again, PROVE those number are wrong. They were provided by the BLS... are you saying the Govt would lie to us?
TomasGrande
sad part is that if enough of morons vote for another Bush we ALL get screwed like we did with GWB. And even though Jeb does not have a Little Bro to rig an election for him like he did for Georgie, Jeb might have Rick "Medicare Fraud" Scott to help him out.
I think Chip is harboring the insane delusion that somehow Pelosi was responsible for the destructive fiscal and economic policies of the Bush administration. Or, for that matter, somehow Boehner had anything to do with the successful economic polices of President Obama that has led to our economy's resurgeance. Well, if his fantasies make him happy, I say leave alone as long as he doesn't leave puddles on the floor.
All too true again, Tomas... they whine about the state limiting their freedom, but want women to ask permission from the boss to have contraceptive insurance coverage. And they are fine with the GOP trying to take away our right to vote and gerrymander the Electoral College!
Americans are owned by big business and that's a fact. Some of us can see it and others either can't or have been so brainwashed that they are willing participants in their own serfdom.
edgarw
What's this? Someone has their own thoughts and opinions?
You mean, you can be a Democrat or a Republican without towing the party line to the tee? I didn't realize that liberal or conservative was a zero sum game. What happens to those who can see that both parties have some decent ideas and both sides have some terrible ones?
Oh Dennis, how could you...?
Oh sailcat, keep on trolling!
It's amazing how many americans fail to understand basic math, logic and economics.
Those sneaky little GOP leaders, letting go of their oppostion to just about EVERYTHING in the last ten days, caving on point after point, before it's too late, just to recover a little bit of lost ground with the Independents in the roll-up to mid-terms in 2014.
Letting go of their oppositon to everything except.....wait for it.....TAXES ON THE WEALTHY.
Could it be any clearer, Righties? Your leaders selling you out on issue after issue....in exchange for what?
That's it...come on....say it.....we all know: Protecting the uber-rich from paying even a penny more in tax.
So do you see it now, how you've been used? How your anger has been stoked year after year over a variety of superfluous issues but with a single long-term goal in mind...perpetuating the manifestly inordinate disparity in wealth among the rich and poor in this nation?
The war is not between the Left and the Right in this country, but that is where the battles are scripted to be fought. The war is between the super-elites and the common American, and thus it shall always be.
Bayllie -
Ummm Clinton did the SS thing to "appear" to have a balanced budget and surplus. Easy to undo when you have honest accountants.
edgarw,
Untrue. I've criticized Peolsi more than once on this vine. That's the difference between those of us on the Left and RWNJs. The dreamlike world you and Chip inhabit gives Boehner credit for 4.5M jobs, when in fact he has not created even 1 job over the past 4+ years; he has done everything in his power to stymie the creation of jobs. But neither of you has the courage to admit that (well, okay, neither of you has the brains to understand what's been going on in the House).
Chip D-2844144
hahahahhahahaha
because Newt says so?
Committee Reports
105th Congress (1997-1998)
House Report 105-648
According to the CBO data, the remarkable fiscal turnabout has been due to three
primary factors: An improved economy with six years of sustained growth;
legislation passed by the 103rd Democratic Congress in 1993 and 1994 [BEFORE NEWT - my add]; and a slower rise in the cost of medical care (e.g., Medicare/Medicaid) than
projected.
Conspicuously absent from CBO's analysis of reasons for the 1998 surplus is the
fiscal effect of laws enacted by Republican congresses between 1995 and the
present date. The reason for this is that the CBO actually totes up legislation
enacted in the period that Republican have been in control of Congress as
raising the deficit by more than it cut in 1998.
Despite claims to the contrary, CBO data show that the combined fiscal effect
of the laws enacted by the 104th and 105th Republican Congresses is to add
$11,000,000,000 more to the deficit than it cut in Fiscal Year 1998.
Clearly the CBO numbers confirm that the major credit for creating the 1998
surplus must go to actions of the 103rd Democratic Congress, which not only
produced real net savings of $141 billion, but created the conditions necessary
to adopt pro-growth monetary policies that have been very successful. The
centerpiece of this effort, the deficit reduction bill passed in 1993, was
described as follows by Federal Reserve Chairman Greenspan: `There's no question
that the impact of bringing the deficit down [through the 1993 budget bill] set
in place a series of events--a virtuous cycle, if I may put it that way--which
has led us to where we are.' (In testimony before the House Budget Committee,
March 4, 1998.)
The facts show that the 1998 budget is balanced despite Republican
legislative efforts, not because of them.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&dbname=cp105&sid=cp105AqBYv&refer=&r_n=hr648.105&item=&sel=TOC_627612
to sum this up for you Chip:
The Republicans voted for the budget BECAUSE they got "stuff" from Clinton but that "stuff" REDUCED the savings. If Clinton had a Democratic Congress, the surplus would have been LARGER.
So again, the balanced budget happened DESPITE Newt and the rest of the Republicans.
Dear Lawd.........why did you make so many 'victims'?
DCIA.....Bill and others are such gluttons for ridicule, all because they cant see beyond the tip of their noses. Move into the grayer areas guys, life is not just black and white. ( now watch that go over a few heads!!) .....
and of course with apologies to our good friend BCWC who is able to see many sides to arguments with great wit and humor some should learn from him.
Beverly in Chicago
US adds 236K jobs, unemployment falls to 7.7 pct.
That's before the sequester. Take that right wing nut jobs.
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Beverly....
236k is actually about 63k because we need 175k to keep up with population and immigration growth... a good number would be 375k
and 7.7 is actually about 14.7 because of how the govt doesnt count partial employment, people who have given up looking, etc. a good number would be 5.3
and GDP was negative on the last read... which is the scariest of all the numbers because it reads like a double dip recession when it needs to be 4% to power us out
the US economy is in real serious trouble... and we've got Syria, Iran, N Korea, Gas prices, Debt ceiling, Sequester, Afghanistan, Obamacare implementation, and possible inflation all threatening.
and I'm a centrist, not right wing
so if you are going to slam the right, please do it with good numbers
Yet you appear to completely ignorant of any of those subjects. Still, as long as you can twist random and unrelated facts to conform to your sad fantasies, you can believe virtually anything, right Chip?
There are a few things I can promise you this morning, tomorrow morning, next month, next year, next decade......
Marco Rubio may actually have a shot because he is young and charismatic. Obama has shown us these last four years how a little BS goes a very long way.
I'm a little disappointed that Clinton has called for the repeal of DOMA. But, I can see where the Democrats would want to appeal to the Gay community as a voting block.
It's too damned bad we have become such a fractured, bifurcated, and polarized society in which candidates for public office must placate to minority "groups" in order to win elections, and in which average taxpaying citizens, mainstream people who do most of the liviing, working, bill / tax paying and dying in this country get OOOO-GOTS.
Welcome to the new America, where the people who founded it mean nothing.
Jack,
1. I never credited him for creating any jobs, I just pointed out the fact that under Bohner, we've seen over 11 MILLION more jobs than under Pelosi. YOU are the insecure one who claimed I gave credit to the GOP for said jobs.
2. Its a sad opinon if you feel the ONLY way to create jobs or take credit for creating said jobs is by passing some law.
Talk to the Hand
check my posting history (it's open to public) and the only thing you will ever find me say is that all presidents (since allowed), except Obama but including Clinton, tapped into the Social Security.
BUT (huge BUT) the difference between Clinton and Bush is:
Only one president left the country with 2 wars on credit, 8 years of DEFICITS, tax breaks on credit, doubled (and rising) unemployment, doubled debt, Mediccare Part D on credit, Financial Meltown, etc, etc, etc. Can you guess the president? I will give you a hint: it was not Clinton.
See the HUGE "but"?
3 biggest contributors to our debt TODAY:
1. Bush Tax cuts
2. Two unpaid Bush wars
3. Bush Medicare Part D
let's play a game: can you spot what's common in 1, 2, and 3???
I see your Glass Steagall, and raise you one bubble. Seriously, you think the repeal of the act caused the bubble. NOT - it simply provided an easier pathway for the bubble to happen. Unlike your lame, blame, Valerie Plame game, the bubble was not created by a democratic or republican congress or president. It was allowed to happen through unfettered capitalism. By the way, if anyone is to blame for the repeal of Glass Steagall, it was the GOP messiah, Greenspan. He, of all people, should have known better. Of course, you will never stop riding the coattails of your beloved messiah and his claim, "who knew the banks would take advantage...."
Just the thought of another bush is enough to make you throw up, Jeb is a Weasel !!!
oldhamletman,
If we need 175,000 jobs each month to keep up with people entering the job market then during the previous administration we should have created 16.8 million jobs, not just 3 million - worst ever for a 2 term President.
That would say that President Obama was handed an economy with a jobs deficit of nearly 14 million jobs.
edgarw
be a peach and have a hissy fit on my behalf because Chip D misspelled my name...you seemed to be really good at whining about it so I am nominating you to be the Misspelled Name Police.
Jerk, you fell for it again. For as much bluster as you blow, you are ready to defend a nonsensical debate. Obviously you lack any sense of propriety. My comment about you loving Pelosi sure did spark a reaction. Now you state that you disagree with her on several things... Yeah... all in the form of a defense of your position. It's hard for me to imagine your changing positions in the middle of a goad... NOT! Admit it... depending on how the inference is made, you will fall off both sides of the fence. Some people would call this a split personality. You might want to visit your local psych doctor to find out what's wrong with you. I'm deeply concerned.
Just a reminder to everyone that Pigotry, Feisty, David Walker, and Beverly all post from the same IP address. All the same person? Very possible. Or maybe they all just work for the same liberal spin machine.
ZMan2012,
[in which average taxpaying citizens, mainstream people who do most of the liviing, working, bill / tax paying and dying in this country get OOOO-GOTS]
Who are these mainstream people – please give the demographics -- thanks
Ah shucks Chippy, tells us again how economics is as easy-peasy as paying your electric bill.
I see Talk is touting his see-pee-a degree, otherwise known as a backseat master-budgetator.
Or, Rick, you could just be a whiner. Makes more sense, doesn't it?
I decline the offer. Are you so sensitive about how I addressed Dennis on how my name was spelled that it affords me the title of Misspelled Name Police? I thought Dennis was doing it on purpose. He admitted he wasn't. Case closed. Simply stated, I don't have the qualifications for the title. Count me in as one of the ones who couldn't care less how Chip spells your name. Address it with him, not me.
@Bayllie
re: Your reference
You conveniently leave out the fact that this is an opinion by David Obey (D) Wisconsin. Just because he expressed it in a committee does not make it fact, but an interpretation of the facts.
Rick - there is a em-eye-ess-ess-eye-ess-ess-eye-Pee-Pee-in-your-eye joke in somewhere in there, right?
All our true fired up liberals on here shouting their praises for the commander in chief. Didn't notice you guys on the article about the messiah's bunglers.
Rick,
Not true – can’t prove – just showing you Glen Beck
Rick-3416939
Proof please?
And while we're at it, can you tell me what IP address I'm posting from, or if anyone is posting from the same IP address as me?
Thanks!
And what has the current administration done to rectify this?
1. Made permanent 98% of the Bush tax cuts
2. Ended the war in Iraq, but escalated the war in Afghanistan
3. Closed the donut hole in Medicare D and restricted the use of generics in a backroom deal with pHarma
Does this explain why the deficit is still over $1T?
Words to give us hope!!
Ya know what? That is what we have always been.
...only now those 'minority' groups (read non-whites, non-heterosexuals and women) when taken together are the majority. We now have a place at the table where we belong--and we're here to stay.
You might be singing a different tune in a few years when the white male is a recognized minority group.
Have you forgotten that we are a melting pot, a nation of immigrants, a conglomeration of minority groups?
Welcome to 2013. Too bad we can't send you back to 1770 so you could experience that era and appreciate what a different environment we live in today.
Alan,
The budget deficit this year is expected to be $900 Billion, not over a Trillion.
Next year (FY14) the projection is about $700 Billion, will probably be less once the FY14 budget is finalized
Dennis - While it may be true that Obama was handed a jobs deficit, it's also true that he accepted things exactly the way they were handed to him. He could have pulled out of the race if he felt the burden's were too much to bear. As we all know, he didn't. He boasted of his abilities to decrease unemployment, cut the deficit in his first year, and a multitude of other promises in order to be elected to office. What happened to all those promises?
Liberals wonder why conservatives don't trust Obama. While liberals continually bashed Bush, as if he were running again, Obama skated in to office. The rubber has met the road and 5 years later we are still encountering much of the same. Granted, the Stock Market is soaring, but do you know why it is? Do you know when it will correct itself? We still have one ongoing war that is never mentioned in the news. The debt is increasing at an alarming rate... money is gone from Social Security... your money and my money and nothing is ever mentioned about it. Problems are glossed over as if they don't exist. There is a definitive problem with government... they are corrupt and it involves members of both parties.
My question is... where's the necessary leadership to pull us together? The leadership seems to always be on the campaign trail in a quest to destroy the republican party... How does this pull the country together to face the reality of our problems?
Rick -- A little research on IP's would go a long way. There is a difference between public and private addresses. There are also LAWS that protect privacy.
Alan -- Are you agreeable to raising taxes?
GBM -- Thanks for the chuckle today!
Let's wait until the number are in? Obamacare is projected to save billions.
And I thought if you liked your insurance you can keep it.
edgarw
not sensitive at all..I just have not seen anyone whine more than you about something so petty. That's all.
Yes, but only if spending is also cut. I do not want taxes raised in isolation.
Jody - I currently live in San Diego and our Mayor Former Representative Bob Filner said a couple weeks ago that the rank and file party members are interested in working together...it's the leadership that gets in their way. I've maintained for years that BOTH parties need new leadership...get some fresh young voices and move forward.
Nice to see the President realize this and have lunch/dinner with the rank and file...
I'm so sick of the bush family, haven't they did enough damage to this Country !!!
Alan, NJ
can you remind me again who is blocking everything and anything Obama that even smells like Bush tax increases?
Let's go back to 2010: what Party was willing to sabotage the 9/11 First Responder bill and the extention for the Unemployed to keep their precious Bush tax cuts?
So you blame Obama for giving in to the Republican extortion because he cared enough about the unemployed and those who ran into burning WTC buildings???
BTW, you remember Boner's recent Plan B????
Can you prove to me that if it had not been for the Republicans fighting so passionately to keep the beloved Bush Tax Cuts that Obama would have kept them??
BIIIIIGGGGGG pont: Obama did not start those or any new wars...
so you are blaming Obama for INHERITING wars and/or ending and/or trying to end them???
yeah, big Pharma, big Oil...the Republican BFFs
Alan, please show me what part of the Obama deficit is due to Bush bills, and which part of the Obama deficit is due to Obama bills....
and please explain why the Republicans have ANY right to criticize when Reagan, Bush1, and Bush2 had deficits EVERY SINGLE YEAR in office?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJVMWjTQh_Y
Obama Pledges to Not Raise Middle Class Taxes
Alan, NJ
yes, I hid the link so no one could find the source...and if you click on the link, you would see all info including the name...very "conveniently", Alan.
BTW, you're offended by my source but we are supposed to accept NEWT as a legit source because NEWT says he gets the credit for the 1998-2001 budgets?
Alan, NJ
Are you confusing "Obama extends 98% of Bush tax cuts" with "Obama extends Bush tax cuts for 98% of Americans"?
Health care law takes different tack on Medicare drug negotiating
So either the President is a lousy negotiator, or he cut a backroom deal to further his agenda. Either way he agreed to the expansion of Medicare D.
Blame Bush all you want but at some point this President is going to be responsible for more than the good news.
Show me where I whined Bayllie. Do you call addressing an issue with another person whining all the time? If you do, how do you ever get anything done? My gosh... how petty are YOU? It didn't involve you... it wasn't addressed towards you... therefore it's actually none of your business, yet you pursue this as if you were smack in the middle of it. Dennis and I fixed the problem between ourselves. Your input is not warranted but you insist on butting in. How about butting out?
No I'm not. You somehow think the tax cuts that Bush introduced are still responsible for the current deficit. While ignoring the fact that the CURRENT administration extended all them for 2 years and 98% of them for the foreseeable future. So, if they helped cause the deficit when Bush was President and he gets the blame/responsibility for their effects then logically Obama must be equally to blame/responsible.
But continue to argue your point. It's amusing.
Alan -- Why not do Tax Reform first and then see where things stand? Thing is, I don't trust Republicans to do those reforms because I AM CERTAIN they will just SHIFT the tax burden from business and the upper quintile to the middle and poor classes. My view is if the Democrats get serious on reforms and remove loopholes etc and set new rates using average effective rates they will capture revenue AND be able to lower the rates for all. The Republicans want to keep it revenue neutral which will no doubt mean nothing more than shifting the burden to protect their benefactors. Perhaps that will spur the economy enough that eventually we can cut down on spending without harm to an already fragile environment.
Because as we saw in the Sequester, Democrats do not want to cut anything. Both sides need to kill their sacred cows at the same time, and they both need to get specific. (What loopholes, what entitlements).
No.
In my view the surplus was caused by the dot com bubble. I like Clinton but he also got lucky.
Alan -- That's not true Alan. Democrats just want smart cuts. Both sides are due to present budgets soon. Hopefully they will be specific but with enough wiggle room compromise can be reached in Congress. There is no reason to put off tax reform. The sooner they do that the better.
Oh for Gawd's sake edgarw...................give the damn spelling error a rest.
Do you have an idea how ridiculous you appear? You have little to worry about, if all you have, is time to be so petty go find something useful and beneficial to do for your fellow citizens.
Good news that unemployment dropped and that 236,000 people were hired last month. Just think if Feb had more than 28 days. Seriously though, the right can't just accept the numbers and be happy. They must falsely claim that Bush's anemic economy garnered hundreds of thousands of jobs per month. In reality if not for a small boost in the spring of 2004 his whole first term would have been at negative job growth. The right must falsely claim that Bush's tax cuts created jobs when they clearly did not. Not enough bang for the buck.
Funny that the first time that there is a clear understanding of the tax situation the largest job growth happens. Yes the market and economy, business included knew with CERTAINTY that those making $450K and more will pay more taxes and what happened....
The was no disaster or crumbling in job growth. Instead job growth soared. Perhaps pent up demand finally forced hiring to take place. Perhaps business finally is realizing that the economy is improving little by little. Hopefully we can get a few more of these months before the GOP starts to dance again when the sequester job losses kick in.
Alan- Obama Pledges to Not Raise Middle Class Taxes
Alan, you know that taxes on the middle class should've been raised. The fiscal cliff was the opportune moment to remove middle class tax cuts. Tax reform may yet take some of loopholes away. You know the ones Romney spoke about the ones that up until Nov 5th 2012 the GOP was for.
Why now do Republican's scorn putting a cap on deductions and removing loopholes for the rich? That is exactly what Romney said he would do when he beat Obama in the 1st debate. That is what Ryan told laughing Joe Biden during their debate. What gives?
edgarw,
So when jobs numbers are LOW its the presidents fault, but when the numbers look good, you say what the hell has he done. Pathetic..
Your dumbass wouldn't understand the FACTS if it jump right up and Slap you in your face...
Yep, blame, blame and blame. Funny thing is and you seem to forget, The DOW hit a record this week. Now, can you tell me the last time the DOW was close to this high and who was President and whether or not you want to admit it, something was going right.
Leading business indicators show that business is improving. Albeit slowly the economy is making gains. Sequestration or austerity will only turn that around at a crutial time. We need a balanced approach like President Obama has repeatedly said. Simpson-Bowles will be a step in the right direction. Cuts alone nor revenue increases alone will solve the dilema but a sensible combination of both will do it.
Jason - I enjoyed reading all the facts you posted... it was just as I expected... none from a liberal.. only name calling and put downs. Most excellent response... goes to show exactly what liberals like you are worth... nothing at all!
Is this what you believe Yellowdog? Taxes should be raised?
' “U.S. employers ramped up hiring in February, adding 236,000 jobs and pushing the unemployment rate down to 7.7 percent from 7.9 percent in January. Stronger hiring shows businesses are confident about the economy, despite higher taxes and government spending cuts.” That 7.7% unemployment rate is the lowest it’s been in four years.'
A couple of observations;
1 - The unemployment rate is still higher than the 7.3% rate for Bush's last full month in office in December 2008 - after more than 4 years of Obama's anti-business, anti-growth, onerous regulations, moratoriums policies.
2 - If the jobs picture continues to improve, it will put the 'lie' to Obama's economic 'Armageddon' predictions for that tiny 1.2% cut in federal spending for fiscal 2013 known as the 'sequester'.
I suspect that when we see negligible economic effects from the federal spending cuts from the sequester, Obama will look foolish when he fights against further cuts when they are proposed by the Republicans. Obama's 'The Sky is Falling' Act 1 didn't work, and the when he tries it again in Act 2, people will just laugh at him. Cancelling the White House tours while keeping up his golf weekends isn't playing very well on Broadway.
Under President Obama, the national debt doubled too!
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when W left, the debt was almost $11T so either you cannot do SIMPLE math or you're just knowingly and willingly write LIES!
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here is Roy again giving credit to GWB for "low" unemployment. Roy, GWB started with a 4% unemployment but ended with losing over 2 million jobs in 2008 alone, and another 2 million jobs between January - March of 2009 as a result of GWB 2008 "accomplishment".
I'm starting to believe Roy's claim that he's an expert in the numbers. It's hard to use numbers misleadingly that often and in that many ways without realizing that you're using them in a dishonest fashion.
Close no cigar. Well Karl Levin announce yesterday that he wouldn't seek reelection and the republican vultures are gathering in Michigan to try and buy his seat. Such notibles as Billionaire Dick Devos, former govenor John Engler, and West Michigan congressman Justin Amash. The later is a tea bag in the first degree of stupid but most people understand that Grand Rapids being his biggest constituancy he is a shoo in for the religious right. Thank goodness for Detroit with its inteligent working people that outnumber the rest of the state and the kooks that vote for republicans. There isn't a moderate in the field. So, it will be interesting to watch as they eat each other for lunch on their way to a be a candidate
In one of the most memorable Senate hearings conducted to figure out the causes of the Great Recession, Levin revealed that in their email communications, Goldman Sachs employees revelled in their marketing of a '$hitty Deal' to its customers. As a response, one Goldman executive replied - it's unfortunate to have that conversation on email.
Ha.
Do Michigan voters miss Jennifer Granholm yet? After her union-busting, voter-supressing, elected official-removing replacement made an embarrassment of the state? Levin will be missed, but Granholm would be a decent replacement.
Job1
Wow, Tea Bag groups sure love to throw around the word "Patriot." They are far from it. Let's call them what they are, "Domestic Terrorists."
Job1
I prefer their common name, "Retards"
Watch for a group of radical Republican members of Congress who call themselves 'Young Guns'
Eric Can'tor, Paul Ryan, and Kevin McCarthy are the 'TOP Guns' who will stick a gun to you to force us to go down the drain as their policies will lead us to.
For example, Ryan just broke his promise not to cut medicare benefits for those above 55. In the last couple of days, he just moved his goalpost to those above 56...that's a lot of Americans Ryan will screw up.
Watch OUT for a group of radical Republican members of Congress who call themselves 'Young Guns'
Pigotry
Why thank you Pigotry;
I'd love too. I forgot all about it.
Pigotry..congrat on being frist! Very good points, the Senate and some of its laws need serious overhauling to bring them into the real world of the 21st Century as they operate now is just gumming up the works.
On your Young Guns post.....the three you mention are among the 13 Republicans who met in January 2009 to plot and plan to make Barack Obama a one term President, here are the rest of them who participated in the planning:
The Guest List:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).
Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich
Keep remembering these names folks, some are gone from Congress, but the majority of them are still there and are still obstructing and voting NO to move things forward.
Thanks, Ginger, for your exhaustive list of the 'Young Guns'.
The top three (Ryan, Can'tor & Mccarthy) actually co-authored a book..I wonder if the book is filled with 'smoking guns' - their dirty tricks - but I can be disappointed because usually they will try to hide their dirty tricks in their pretentions for public service.
My pleasure, Bev (#3.2).
For pinkpigwhitepig's eyes only ... the humans are too dumb.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/science/10angier.html
hey, bcwc, thanks for the special treat just for me on this international women's day (#3.6)
Don't tell others how to click the website or ... just disable the website to all others - so it's only for me.
Well Pig.......I made it through and to you and bcwc also in honor of International Women's Day.....
Big Squeal !!
Sounds like a certain group of liberal posters on First Read : )
I like to think of us liberal posters as birds of a feather rather than a herd of wild pigs...but the sentiment is the same!
Someone has to maintain sanity here in the U.S.A.
kaybee (#3.11) ... I agree...but still sad that you have problem with wild pigs.
We ...Pigs Gone Wild.... :)
Oh, I have no problem with wild pigs, but they hunt them where I live...so I'd prefer to think of us liberal posters as a flock of Bald Eagles. ;)
Have a nice weekend, everyone! Don't forget to set your clocks ahead on Sunday.
Get those income taxes done early for once! (Note to self...)
Only in Congress can someone in their mid-late 40s be called 'young guns'.
We will need a group of young, responsible repubs running the show after four more years of enduring the same hypocrisy we've already seen and the libbie leghumpers deny.
Once they reverse the destruction of overspending this party of entitlements has bestowed upon future generations of our children will things actually get better. Lucklily we have heroes such as Rand Paul who stood up to to tyrrany for a 13 hour filabuster demanding satisfaction regarding the use of drones- of which the current administration is not being accountable for.
Young, brilliant minds such as Paul's will be for the choosing at the next election. It's time for the Clinton's to retire and step aside for the BIG guns to come in and start rebuilding this country!
What plan do Conservatives have to create demand in an economy where lack of demand is the primary dysfunction?
Gun Activists Warn Obama is Raising a Private Black Army to Massacre White Americans
Submitted by Brian Tashman
Gun Owners of America president Larry Pratt appeared Tuesday on the Talk to Solomon Show alongside conservative blogger Greg W. Howard, of Twittergate fame, for another chance to spew anti-Obama conspiracy theories.
Pratt predicted that President Obama may begin confiscating guns in order to provoke a violent response to justify further oppression, which host Stan Solomon feared would lead to the imprisonment of hundreds of thousands of people.
Pratt once again insisted that Obama is acting like King George III, a sentiment with which Solomon concurred, saying, “That will happen quickly and they will wipe those people out to set an example.”
But Solomon wasn’t finished: “I believe they will put together a racial force to go against an opposite race resistance, basically a black force to go against a white resistance, and then they will claim anyone resisting the black force they are doing it because they are racist.”
Howard agreed: “You may be right because he has been sowing the seeds of racial hatred; we were healing quite well as a nation on racial issues until Obama came along and now we have a lot of racial discord.”
After arguing that Obama is “not American” and not a natural born citizen, Howard maintained that Obama may begin “wiping out a few hundred people who own guns, pull a large scale Waco or a Ruby Ridge type incident” and have it “tinged it with racial overtones.” But just in case Obama goes through with his plans to “take down” the Internet, “people are setting up phone-trees all over the place” to stop Obama in his tracks.
“If Obama can take your guns away he can take your car, he can take your home, he can take your bank account, he can take your very life,” Howard said.
Unsurprisingly, Pratt agreed with their insane ramblings: “I do agree that the Obama administration would definitely be capable of something as evil as you were suggesting.”
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/gun-activists-warn-obama-raising-private-black-army-white-massacre-americans
Larry Pratt Agrees Race War Will Pit 'Christian, Heterosexual White Haves' Against 'Black Muslim and/or Atheist…Have-Nots'
Submitted by Brian Tashman
Last week, we reported that Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America joined conservative talk show host Stan Solomon to warn about President Obama’s alleged plans to incite violence and bring about a race war against white Americans.
We found another interview between Pratt and Solomon from January, in which they went into even more detail about the looming race war and denounced new legislative efforts to prevent gun violence.
Pratt claimed that “some kind of social implosion” is inevitable during Obama’s second term, and that “it would be a wonderful surprise if it did not happen.”
Solomon specifically claimed that under President Obama we will witness attacks “on Christian, heterosexual white haves by black, Muslim and/or atheist — not that there’s much difference — black have-nots.”
He warned that “if you are a white person in this country, and this holds for all quality people of any color, but I’m saying specifically if you are a white, heterosexual, Christian, working, married person” and don’t own a gun, then “there is at least a substantial chance that you and/or some member of your family will be hurt and/or killed.”
Pratt agreed with Solomon’s dire prediction, saying the host wasn’t “stretching to say that.” He added that the “Alinskyites” who control the Obama administration think “this is the time” to “bring violence about.”
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/larry-pratt-agrees-race-war-will-pit-christian-heterosexual-white-haves-against-black-muslim
Erik Rush: Obama and Allies 'Merit Being Removed by Force of Arms'
Submitted by Brian Tashman
WorldNetDaily columnist Erik Rush is out with another unhinged rant, this time arguing that new gun control legislation in Colorado is a “precursor” to the rise of civil unrest and an American version of the Gestapo. Rush maintains that the government seeks to pass new gun laws in order to deliberately spark a violent response, which will justify the use of Gestapo-like tactics and the criminalization of gun ownership.
He contends that Obama administration officials want to confiscate guns because “they know that they are already guilty of prosecutable crimes and are planning many more” and “already merit being removed by force of arms. They simply want to disarm Americans before a preponderance of us come to that realization and respond accordingly.”
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/erik-rush-obama-and-allies-merit-being-removed-force-arms
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Love Him or Hate him Sen. Paul’s little Quixote like quest did accomplish several things.
He got an answer to his “troubling” questions with only 13 hours of effort and then sat down and let the proceedings go on rather than holding things up for months or years. Any way you look at it that’s progress.
So I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest to ‘Ol Don Paul what his next quest ought to be.
Hold you a Filibuster till you get the answer as to how Yahoo’s such as these are allowed to Walk free among the relatively Sane and why they aren’t locked away in a Sanatorium for the Criminally Insane as a Danger to Themselves and Society.
It’s a burning Question that needs an answer ‘cause the Yahoo Brethren is trying to tell us that these Members have the Mental Capacity to be entrusted with Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Hell I can’t see any reason for entrusting them even with my son’s old Red Ryder BB gun. If ever the warning about putting somebody’s eye out was applicable it’s with these Yahoos’s.
Be Afraid. Be very Afraid. Hell apparently “Come the Revolution” cockamamie “drones” and what the Government is doing with them are going to be the least of our problems.
Lindsey Graham: Hurricane Victims Need Assault Weapons To Shoot ‘Roaming Gangs’
By Igor Volsky
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/03/06/1681261/lindsey-graham-hurricane-victims-need-assault-weapons-to-shoot-roaming-gangs/
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In the meantime ‘Ol Lindsey picks up the Latest Talking Point from Pepe la Pew and gives it a big ‘ol wet kiss.
Hell Lindsey we’re more in danger of Young Eric and the Yahoo Hostage Takers than we ever will be from “Roaming Gangs” and such like.
Once again I must point out that our economy would be fixed once and for all if more people got into the business of manufacturing tinfoil hats.
Lets see, where did I leave that tin foil hat. The radical right have come up with another conspiracy theory, hey wait a minute I'm white, I guess I should be very scared but there is no sense in running from it as the drones are everywhere and they will find you.
Good post Indy, lets see, maybe Obama will enlist the Muslim brotherhood to come to America to be his own private white eradication army. What did I do with my burnt cork, I am sure I can pass.
Noid I understand that the Piggly Wiggly is running a special this weekend on the Heavy Duty Stuff. Sit back and watch. I'll bet it will be well attended by those looking for new Chapeau's.
Ke-Ka-Krap - will my free Obamaphone work on this new network? I better not be charged for roaming cell service. Shall I bring up that the new service is selling like gangbusters?
Independent Redneck Va.
Independent Redneck Va.
Lawd have mercy
Attorney General Eric Holder said in a letter Tuesday that Obama administration believes it could "hypothetically" carry out drone strikes against Americans on U.S. soil, but "has no intention of doing so."
Just think about it. All those militia groups cropping up against the "tyrant" living in the White House might want to use a little common sense for about a minute. There is nothing like a little drone strike from Uncle Sam to combat domestic terrorist.
In situations like 9/11, including, of course, rules for the use of drones or any other type of weaponry. Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution vests considerable control over the military and the country’s war-making powers in the legislative branch, rather than the executive, and that ought to encompass the power to regulate, in Holder’s words, the ability “to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances like a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001.”
Article I - U.S. Constitution
Article I
Section 8.
http://constitution.findlaw.com/article1/article.html
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One minute you are in the family room watching FOX News and the next minute you are saying hello to your maker. Really!!!
Hey, Independent Redneck Va.
Piggly Wiggly is my favorite shop. Oink.
IR thank you for all you do to keep the gun violence issue front and center:
Yesterday a new count through the end of February of the number of victims killed by this violence since Newtowne 12/14/2013:
2516 people
172 were children under 18
So keep up the good work. We have to do this.
Independent Redneck Va.
"As long as he doesn't lay a hand on my Butterfinger!!!!"
LMAO!
Nicely done, IR.
Salud
Thanks GBM my Ace. A Feller's got to do what he can when he can.
Bev, that's two days in a row you've cracked me up. Yesterday it was your comment addressing Rand Paul's fear of drones. Amazing how figments of their imagination scare the Right more than real threats that are right under their noses.
Morning IR! Ditto Gingerbread Mamma thanks to you.
GM -- Morning to you too!
Very sobering stats. Things must change.
Why did you take up so much space about nothing? Damn!
yeah, woman strange (#4.13), why would you (strange woman) take up the spot (#4.13) just to say nothing?
Independent, thought you might like to see this:
Tweet, TObamaDiary:
Former Rep. Gabby Giffords will receive the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award on May 5
All I can say is thank you very, very much for keeping this right out there in a very bright light, IR. Those people are so crazy, you can only shake your head and wonder how anyone can be that afraid. It has to be horrible and when paranoia rules a household, you have to know the outcome can't be good.
Out here in western Kansas, it is absolutely amazing how many people eat up this crap. Such beliefs don't speak to anything but pure stupidity and you cannot budge these people with facts.
Pigums dances to the left an unleashes a left hock.
Oh yes...we were healing soooo nicely and then Obama came along, that "black Muslim, Socialist Kenyan"! How do you make any sense out of their lies?
What the hell is wrong with those people? They seem bent on destroying the peace and security of America with their anger and resentment, jacked up by the paranoid RW skinhead fringe.
Save us from our crazy countrymen!
Thanks IR for reminding us who the real enemy is.
Thanks Pat I hadn't seen that. I can't think of anybody that embodies the spirit of that Award more. I just wish that the Yahoo Chorus we have here would set back just a second and think about the Perseverance and Courage that it has taken for Ms. Gifford's and her Husband to make it as far as they have in the face of all odds and curb their Personal Attacks just a smidgen or a least couch it in different terms.
bcwc -- pigums went on ignore so i do not see that post but based on your comment it must have been interesting. very nice -- left hock -- got a good laugh, thanks.
IR, keep shining the light on this topic; terrific post.
The paranoia and fantasies of the right get more bizarre by the day; I wonder if they pay people to sit and think up crazy conspiracy theories.
Here's another little gem:
The New York Representative for the NRA had ALL of his knives, guns, and ammo confiscated for a year due to allegations of domestic violence, and a restraining order was sought and granted to his ex-wife...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/07/1192314/-NRA-Official-bullied-wife-had-his-guns-confiscated-All-39-of-them
Quite the role model, huh...
billybob-6210632
billy, I did finally address your question as to how I viewed activist judges yesterday on FT #5 ... sorry for the delay.
As to you putting Pigums on ignore ... more for me, thanks.
IR - great post and thank you for the information. I don't surf around enough to figure out where the posters on these boards get their crazy theories. I appreciate those that do so I can try to understand (but can't!) how their crazy brains work. Honestly, one of my greatest fears is that someone with these tendencies lives near me, has an arsenal, and is just waiting for some type of signal from their "leader" to fulfill their paranoid prophecies.
But, but Mickey!! Guns don't kill--PEOPLE do!!! More Americans are killed with hammers every year than with guns!! (Some people actually believe that.)
I hope they also took away his hammers, saws, screwdrivers and toenail clippers and cleared his yard of rocks and fallen branches. That would really be the only way to stop him from killing someone...because as we all know: guns don't kill.
Ya gotta wonder about those NRA knuckle draggers...
kay -- from san antonio today --
Man receives 45-year term for murder by shovel
the shovel will not be prosecuted.
Yeh Billybob Good thing he didn't have a 30 round clip for that shovel ain't it. Hell he might have reloaded and took out several more innocent victims and got him Life without Parole. He would have committed suicide to avoid arrest but it kinda hard to shovel your own self to death
KayBee - I have to admit, I get hammered every now and again, but I have yet to die. Am I doing something right?
Funny Pratt didn't mention that the Black Army would also take away their White Women. I guess that isn't such a taboo any more.
Yes you are, RedDev! It's probably best to get hammered on screwdrivers. :)
ROFL - Touche, touche!!!
IR - that is one of those perplexing mysteries of life .. for the life of me, I can't figure out how to bury myself. For the record, I've tried the conservative approach of burying my head in the sand, but even that leaves me overly exposed.
RedDev then you need to try the Tea Party approach. Bend over and stick your head up your ass and then because it is so dark up there and you can't see out simply BELIEVE that your buried.
"And that's the way it is"....this week.
Alan Guebert, columnist, said this about sequestration. "In the run up to the Great Budget Sequester of 2013, a deeply indebted America once again learned what every American knows from birth: your government program got us into this mess, not mine." Truth to wisdom.
In bizarro-world, Dennis Rodman visited the North Korean Leader who apparently loves him some basketball. Rodman suggested President Obama call the Leader. Guess they could talk Hoops not Nukes!
Jeb Bush is hawking a new book he co-authored, Immigration Wars, in which he gives a big hug and kiss to the Tea Party--NO pathway to citizenship. Flip flop. He's already trying to UN-WRITE it, "we wrote this book last year", it went to the publisher in October...so, uh, I, Jeb--after the Hispanic vote drubbing in November--would support a path to citizenship again. Did Jeb take lessons from Mitt Romney?
Some of the best political entertainment this week was listening to Republican pundits, strategists--not to mention Jeb himself--try to explain Jeb Bush; tell people he really does support a path to citizenship. According to them, Jeb got confused and lost...for a year. More likely, Jeb drank too much Tea. He loves Tea, he loves Tea not, he loves Tea...
The Romneys emerged from their LaJolla hideout. Ann blamed the campaign for not "humanizing" Mitt but most of all, it was the "media's fault" that "people weren't allowed to see him for who he is." Here I thought it was because "people" DID see him for who he is." Well, that and the fact that Romney reminded voters of a pre-programmed, first edition, Disney Animatron!
Jobless claims were the lowest level since June, 2008, which is why the GOPTPers went full-speed ahead on Sequestration. They want to ensure extreme austerity causes a second recession and creates higher unemployment for the 2014 elections--Party First at all costs!
The stock market hit an all-time record. Corporations had record-breaking profits last year. The GOPTP is frantically searching for a new talking point since "Obama's bad for business" has been debunked...again.
Venezuelan officials claim the United States was responsible for Hugo Chavez's cancer. In the House Continuing Resolution bill, GOPTPers tried to add a no funding for Big Foot research clause (there never has been), and did add NO FUNDING FOR ACORN (which hasn't existed since 2010). Apparently the Venezuelans and the House GOPTPers use the same information source--The Journal of Facts for Paranoid Delusionals.
Speaker Boehner said "it's just sick" that the White House cancelled tours instead of laying people off. Guess tour guides losing their jobs doesn't count as layoffs in Boehner's world. It costs $74,000 per week, $3,848,000 per year for White House tours. GOPTPers wanted spending cuts then whine.
Texas GOPTP Rep Louis Gohmert tried to amend the Continuing Resolution to include: None of the funds made available by a division of this act may be used to transport the President to or from a golf course until public tours of the White House resume. Beyond the pettiness, President Obama's point to Gohmert and his whining "cut spending" pals is that the GOP wants to cut spending but don't cut what GOPers don't want cut. Or to paraphrase Alan Guebert, in GOP world, only Democratic government programs got us into this mess, not Republican ones.
The Arkansas legislature over-rode the Governor's veto of a ban on abortion after 12 weeks, the "heartbeat" bill. The Governor warned this will cost the State taxpayers thousands of dollars to defend an unconstitutional piece of legislation; the crazy right decided it's only money.
The South Dakota GOP legislators and governor decided women are too dumb to know what abortion is or understand what they are doing; therefore, SD law requires they think about it via a waiting period...weekends and holidays don't count as "waiting" even though women are waiting anyway. Now, that is dumb.
The Iowa GOP House is giving a Constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage another try; the GOP Senators filed an identical bill. The GOPers introduce one every year since 2009 when same-sex marriage became legl despite the fact that gay marriage has not caused an outbreak of anti-traditional marriage disease.
During a press conference, IA GOP Gov Branstad channeled T-Paw and compared State employee health insurance and the uninsured to liquor consumption. "It's like going to a wedding where you have an open bar versus a cash bar. There's going to be a whole lot more liquor consumed with an open bar." Who knew Branstad thinks so little of the health of Iowans, not to mention he's one of those State employees consuming open-bar liquor...uh, health insurance.
The GOPers are so panicked that Ashley Judd will run against Mitch McConnell in 2014, they're running ads yelling she's an actress--never mind Ronald Reagan was an actor and they loved him. She did "nude scenes" yet they excused Scott Brown for posing nude in a magazine center fold as just a young gun showing off his body to earn some money!
Senator Rand Paul gets a cheer for a good, old-fashioned, talking filibuster to force a Drone debate. He gets a jeer for 12 hours of his 13-hour filibuster in which the outrageous and absolutely ridiculous fantasies of a John Birch paranoid kook of a senator was recorded for history.
Ted Cruz, one of Rand Paul's wing-men, read from Ayn Rand when he took his turn at the mic. "Oh, God" he's another Ayn Rand selfishness and greed aficionado in addition to being a Joe McCarthy clone.
Whatever President Obama fed John McCain and Lindsay Graham for dinner Wednesday, I hope he sent left-overs home with them. McCain gets a cheer for rightly calling out Rand Paul's filibuster fantasies as just the ramblings of the black helicopter crowd. Graham gets a cheer for rightly calling out the hypocrisy of GOP Senators--McConnell, Rubio, Cornyn, and others, by saying I (Graham) "don't remember anyone coming down here and accusing that President Bush would kill Americans."
Food for Thought: "To force opinion is like pushing the magnetized needle around by brute strength until it points to where we wish the North Star stood." Dorothy Canfield Fisher.
Reminds one of the GOPTP's version of facts--they're where they think the North Star (truth) should be not where it really is.
Ayn Rand with her Objective Nihilism loved a dash of serial killer in her men. If I ever landed in some must to burn books dimension, her's would be on the list.
As always Jody, another stellar wrap.
Good morning, Kitty Pig - my affectionate nickname for bcwc.
Jody, great post.
Compared to GOPTPers, actually Venezuelan leaders have somewhat more legitimacy in their claim because of the ghosts of centuries of American interventionism in Latin America, although we know President Obama has stopped such intervention, for sure.
And the hits just keep on coming...
Someday Jody, I HAVE to see your cutting room floor! ;o)
Jody,
Great wrap up .
I love what you learn from those who really do a filibuster. Rand Paul and Cruz are cheap suits who pander to quack philosophy.
On the other hand Bernie Sanders did a great tutorial when he took to the floor for his own filibuster last week.
Excellent wrap-up as usual, Jody! You write:
Very true. When dealing with the economy the first rule should be to do no harm. Something the RW ignores routinely in an effort to win political points. Ridiculous but true.
As always Jody..FAAAANNNNTASTIC!.....
In spite of the jobs the "GNOP" *created*...the unemployment rate is down...stock market up....and the Grand Obstructionist Party is still stuck on stoopid!
GroundHog day anyone?
Can't wait to see whats's on the juke box later today at the DDI....maybe Cry Me a River? Hope we got extra "POPCORN"
Jody, Iowa
Great Job, Jody.
Have a nice weekend.
Salud
Another terrific wrap-up, Jody---thanks for your hard work.
You gotta love the optimism of the GOP----it doesn't matter to them that a law has been passed---they just keep trying to repeal it. Like Obamacare or any abortion legislation. They also like to pass laws that aren't necessary. They just don't want to work on jobs legislation but this morning's jobs report shows that the economy will do it without them. Just because it hurts their fellow citizens by being slower than necessary means nothing to the GOP.
Jody, was surprised at Jeb Bush's turnaround. Really caught me off guard. Immigration reform seemed to be something he was passionate about, but now he sounds like Mitt Romney with is self-deport statement.
Why anyone would want to please the tea party is beyond me. The only way they can rid themselves of them is to not bow down to them. I would have thought Jeb would know that.
Ted Cruz looks exactly like Joe McCarthy.
Rand Paul's filibuster was a stunt. As Lawrence said last night, it was just a continuation of the black helicopters coming to get us. Paranoia seems to be Paul's and the tea party's strong suit.
Wimps.
Obama is a socialist! He's dividing us with class warfare! He's punishing the successful! The stock market is hitting record highs, due to the actions of the feds, and the wealthiest are getting richer, Business hates Obamacare and will lay people off to avoid covering them ... oh, wait a sec.
Par for the course, GOPers continue to change the rules of game that promotes sinking a hole in one - it has something to do with "traditional marriage". They used to be fore play, now they are anti-play. Leave it to the GOP to get their tiny putters up in arms over a golf game. Now back to the game favored by the Tea Party - using the ball washer to clean your balls, known in Victorian circles as sipping tea, otherwise known as teabagging.
Great wrap-up, as always, Jody:
Just a reminder ladies - This is International Women's Day. What a wonderful day to remind your sons that you only let them pretend they're in charge.
amy -- you got some things correct -- medical device manufacturers have laid folks off as a result of the new obamacare tax.
i do believe that any sitting president, this one is no different, should be treated the same. they get credit for the good things that happen and blame for the bad -- it comes as a package.
the process for bringing iraq to a close was laid out by his predecessor but obama gets the credit, that is fair. the credit rating of the United States is lowered during his term and obama gets the blame, also fair.
blaming predecessors or outside influences is unbecoming of the president, regardless of who is in office.
Damn - one less catheter to clean, one less bed pan to ring. Of course, you have support this claim with ??????
red -- while some would say do your own research here are a couple of things:
The announcement of the closures comes roughly a month after Kalamazoo, MI-based Stryker said it will cut roughly 5% of its workforce and institute other restructuring activities to reduce pretax operating costs by more than $100 million beginning in 2013. The company cited the implementation of the medical device excise tax and a slowdown in elective procedures as reasons for the layoffs.
The Minneapolis Star-Tribune notes that both of Minnesota’s Democratic Senators are racing to allay the pending damage sparked by the law — for which they both voted. “Democratic Senators Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken pointed to thousands of high-paying jobs that device companies support in Minnesota, headquarters to such giant devicemakers as Medtronic and St. Jude Medical,” the newspaper reported. “The industry has painted the tax as a job killer that would hurt innovation.”
Welch Allyn, a company that manufactures medical diagnostic equipment in central New York, announced in September that they would be laying off 275 employees, or roughly 10% of their workforce over the next three years. One of the major reasons discussed for the layoffs was a proactive response to the Medical Device Tax mandated by the new healthcare law.
In October of 2009, Boston Scientific CEO Ray Elliott, warned that proposed taxes in the health care reform bill could "lead to significant job losses" for his company. Nearly two years later, Elliott announced that the company would be cutting anywhere between 1,200 and 1,400 jobs, while simultaneously shifting investments and workers overseas - to China.
other companies facing future layoffs at the hands of Obamacare:
and a link to another story.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2013/02/05/business/medical-technology-layoff
Its all doom and gloom, 6 months from now when the effects of the sequester hits, and the economy that Obama built slides off into the ocean, somebody here will be claiming it was Obama's idea in the first place its his fault, never mind the congress was obstructed not to get it fixed. It is going to get tougher and tougher for republicans to run away from their record of obstruction and protect the very rich and never mind the working person. It will boil down to that class warfare republicans are so proud of. There will be a minimum wage increase, there will be health care not based on your financial status. This will eventually cause the republican to split, tea bags and republicans. America wins.
billybob - you really need to read the Steve Brill TIME magazine article about medical costs. Medical device makers and hospitals are making all the money and driving up costs while doctors and nurses are making about the same (or less) every year.
best line:
"...he loves tea, he loves tea not..."
maybe funnier if it read:
"...he loves tea, he loves tea NUTS..."
LOL, par excellence! Hugs!
Did you read the article on health care in the March 4 edition of Time Magazine?
As a typical example, a patient was charged $49,237 for a neurostimulation device that cost the hospital about $19,000-- for a profit margin of more than 150%.
The company cited that manufactured the device has a gross profit margin of 75.1%, compared to Apple's 40%.
They are ripping us off royally, my friends.
Read the article and then come back and tell us how the American medical establishment is being screwed.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
(Thanks for a fine wrap-up, as always Jody!!)
Thanks, friends. Have a great weekend. Salud!
Feisty, had to dig a tunnel out of my study last night!
billbobber, does it ever occur to you that the "a slow down in elective procedures" (you posted it) is the PRIMARY reason for the layoffs--you know, fewer butt and boob implants. Since big business became BIG business, they have always used any excuse to fight against and whine about paying even the smalles tax on their ALREADY OUTRAGEOUSLY priced products. Don't forget the other lie that a minimum wage will cost jobs when historical evidence proves the opposite occurs.
Great post Kaybee! Thanks for the info.
Clara, loves tea NUTs is even better. Wish I'd thought of it!
kaybee, hard to imagine that a .0239 cent tax, less than most state sales tax levels on goods, is going to bankrupt these multi-million dollar profit corporations. Talk about sounding greedy and selfish--these yahoos take it to a whole new level. The CEOs must think people are dumb and will fall for their false claims--well, billybob did so there's probably a few who are and will.
Jody, wonderful wrap up and I'm sure you did have to tunnel out! Red beat me in commenting on the golf course line. That was definitely an obscure tidbit and thanks for posting it!
Kaybee, thanks for your reponse on medical devices. Hospital costs are so stinking bloated!
Happy weekend all!
bleary -- i am sure your author has an opinion. whether they are driving up costs or not, there are layoffs in the industry -- that is fact.
medical costs continue to climb it seems regardless of promises made by the politicians. i think it will be interesting to come back in a few years and see what aca has and has not done.
The entire March 4 edition of TIME is devoted to the American health care system. It's a must read for Americans of all political persuasions.
It's an eye opener.
Stay healthy, my friends!
James O'Keefe will pay $100,000 to settle his slander against the Acorn worker who lost his job over the pimp and ho video. Worst attempt at journalism ever!
BillyBob - hello!! This is why medical device manufacturers should stay out of the paint industry.
“The industry has painted the tax as a job killer that would hurt innovation.”
BillyBob-Smith and Nephew CEO compensation $3.1m. The poor broke bastard. Pox to that honest, trustworthy CEO choosing to lay off 770 employees.
Now please, please, tell me more about believing this company's claim that layoffs area result of Obamacare.
Well sure Rev, they're liars but they're liars saying things Conservatives want to hear. Apparently the folks at BBS&N studied at the PT Barnum School of Business;
Jody: Many hours late, a must read, thank you.
First Read, out of curiosity, has a fillibuster ever succeeded in actually preventing a Senate action from happening that otherwise would have?
I hope Senate Majority Harry Reid looks on Rand Paul's fillibuster as a harbinger of things to come. The next time Senator McConnell threatens to fillibuster a bill, perhaps Reid could simply tell Mitch to go for it.
Sen. Paul used what is called a "Traditional Filibuster". I'm sure it has worked in the past, it's aim was to permit a Senator a chance to convince their coleagues to vote with them against a contenous issue. Basically to allow a more in depth debate. 95% of today's filibusters are not that, they are a simple vote for cloture, with 60 votes needed to pass so they can vote on the bill. A Yea vote for cloture is not a Yea vote for the bill. So, yes a required vote of cloture has stopped 100's of bills, dead in their tracks because instead of 51 votes needed, you need 60. I assume Senator Paul used a "Traditional Filibuster" because there was enough votes for cloture.
236,000 new jobs added in February. Unemployment rate 7.7%.
Conservative "Conspiracy Theory" Rants to commence in 3...2...1...
+246,000 Private Sector -10,000 Public Sector (Govt)
+236,000 Jobs added (Net)
Average Hours – UP**, Average Pay – UP
** Indication that employers are about to add more employees
Despite the 0.2 percentage point drop in the jobless rate, as a whole, 12 million people are still unemployed. There are still about 4.8 million long-term unemployed, representing 40.2 percent of all jobless workers
While 236000 jobs can be described as ok at best,these 12 million may not find your excitement agreeable.
broker, you are right to point out that a lot of people are still looking for meaningful employment. On the other hand, we've come a long way from President Bush's last month in office when 750,000 people were laid off.
Congratulation broker1, you're the first tea people republican to find a negative in the good economic news. Don't worry you won't be alone. The other tea people republicans just haven't put their negative thoughts together yet.
mo -- broker was commenting on the facts. nothing negative, just observation.
could it be that the Recovery Summer of 2010 is coming to a close?
bruce-I agree.
mo-you are closer to how you describe the tea party,relishing in others pain and suffering.
Just an observation....Think how many more jobs would have been created if the GNOP actually followed through on their 2010 campaign pledge of JOBS JOBS JOBS......about the only job created was the sign maker at the Post Office....
paul -- similarily consider if obama had truly had laser focus on jobs.
it goes both ways.
broker,
Excitement, not exactly … It is just good news which is always better than bad news for most people.
Things continue to move in a good direction however 2 months from now we will likely see a change in direction to fewer jobs being added thanks to the sequester.
It's sad that the folks on the Extreme Right can't give our President any credit for anything good that occurs.
It's nothing but hate for the First Family.
billybob, last time I checked, no President has ever been provided the opportunity to vote on any bill in the Congress. All a President can do is propose legislation; it is Congress that must act.
Hey Paul, care to share with us the number of jobs "created" from January of 2011 to the present? Then, if you would, enlighten us with the number of jobs "created" from January of 2007 to December of 2010?
And Dennis:
And thus the "good news" set up for going forward to demonize the scarequester and thus the GOP. What perfect timing ya think? And I think it will be a month from now or maybe sooner when they "revise" the numbers.
bruce -- so your point is that obama can only talk about stuff? that is quite believeable.
Talk,
Job creation and losses are trailing indicators of economic ups and downs … have very little to do with the makeup of the Congress at the time of the economic changes.
You seem to think that the BLS manufactures their reports to the whims of the Administration. More Conspiracy Theory !!
Actually, we should focus on how many more jobs would have been created if the 1% had really created jobs with that big ole tax break instead of slipping it into their back pockets. I'm ok with them getting the tax break if they use it for what george jr promoted it to be - a job creator and that did not happen.
Seems to me that Joe the Albanian idiot, and Caesar have become more vocal in their ignorance lately, not only double down but actually raising the bet that anyone believes their stupid remarks on frist read.
In case you missed this statistic from yesterday's discussions...
Senator Rand Paul's filibuster on Wednesday clocked in at around 13 hours in total length. That is more time than the Senate spend debating the authorization for use of force that led to the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
Rand Paul's concern over drones targeting and killing Americans inside the US borders? Is it real?
interesting observation but what is your point?
Oink
Just wants to make sure it's not aimed at him...
As long as he stays away from large Tea Bag events.
I'm Just kidding!!!
Hey, Paul S, NY NY
you are adorable - I mean both the panda and your post
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Hey Job1, Rand Paul has read your post #9.5, will change habit, and has decided to drink from tea leaves instead of tea bags.
Maybe it would have been nice if we'd taken a little more time to come to a decision on whether or not our little excursion in Iraq was a good idea.
Da noid, I have already answered billybob-6210632 in my comment #9.3.
There is no need to waste more time
Thanks Ms. Pig....hope Kermit is on good behavior! Like your style as well!
You can bet after the jobs report of 236,000 jobs added and unemployment dropping to 7.7% the tea people republicans will be ranting incoherently today. Good news just drives them batty, well keeps them batty.
Its apparent that being an Obama supporter,you have a lower threshold about good news.
Perhaps, but we have no tolerance for your b@llsh^t. Any more information from the Granny Warriors? Or are they out today feeding the hungry enroute to the gun range?
And broker1, you seem to double down on stupid. Here is news for you. Obama won, Romney lost. I guess we are just stuck with the best president since Clinton of 4 years. Time to move forward.
Wait..Wait...have Ohio..Virginia or Florida been called????They are still working on those chads in Florida....and working on closing the Ohio polls early.....
Hey broker1,
Are you one of the new Rush Nut Trolls that have graced us with your wise words?
Lets get it straight once and for all broker1, good news to you tea people republicans is, the job market lost 700,000 jobs, the stock market fell 800 points, inflation is sky rocketing, anything bad is good news to you tea people. So a low threshold broker1, no. I'm just not a paranoid tea people republican like you. You just can't handle the fact that the economy is getting better in-spite of you tea people republicans.
broker--I'll bet the 236,000 people who got jobs consider the report good news. How can any job creation NOT be good news for us all?
mo -- the economy is moving in the right direction, but i would attribute much of its slow pace to regulation, tax and other policies of the current administration as much as to a reluctant congress.
the success and failure of our country depends on everyone and laying blame moves us no closer to better things.
Business without regulation is a recipe for disaster. History has proven the evils that come from limited regulation. The TR years in office highlighted the case for such a positive push to regulate.
Really? Can you give us a review of the good life under W. Bush? Say, the last year he was in office.
Blame, Blame, Blame
I still ask why Holder and the Feds don't have any of the CEO's of the Banks, Hedge Funds, and other low life investors, who did actually destroy the economy in jail? Hell, they sure didn't waste any time in getting Madoff behind bars, or was his whitewashing of Americans not at the scale where he could be offered cabinet positions
Anybody other than Christie gets the Republican nomination in 2016, take the Democrat and give the points 'til the cows come home.
Hillary will be our Martin Van Buren in 2016.
She is our best hope for a Madame President so far.
I agree, Christie is the only Republican with a chance.
Already talking about presidential hopefuls. Kinda makes ya wanna scream or puke or both.
Kinda. But, it does pay to plan ahead.
certainly worked out for hillary 8 years ago before her party threw her under the bus, guess they just couldn't be accused of being racists so they chose sexist instead.
i wonder who will get her next time? biden? castro? schumer? mystery guest?
One thing for sure, it won't be the billybobs. There was no bus unless you want to include the clown bus that was full of republicans this time last year. Wow, what a line up and the best turned out to be Mitt Romney, and even a lot of republicans didn't like him. He lost the national election by a large margin, in both the electoral college, or the popular vote. Why do you think you republicans want to cheat and change the system so a minority wins. I wonder billybob, can you shave without a mirror? Because you sure shouldn't be able to look into one, you would see what you have become.
@ Aunti
So how is your state been preparing for the sequestor? Are folks there storming the Capitol and city halls?
Sadly, I don't think the 2016 Republican candidates will supply us with non stop laughs we enjoyed from Bachman, Perry, Gingrich, Santorum, Cain and Romney.
but hope springs eternal for the democrats especially if biden tries again -- never know, third time could be the charm
Billybob, Biden could be falldown drunk and have more on the ball than you!
That bunch kept my left side in pain after so much laughter. lol
That was comedy at its finest.
Santorum will be there to re-enact his Great White Bible Hope role.
The Teabaggers are having a meltdown today. Great Great jobs numbers and they are in denial. Wait until the 1/2 million jobs per month starts rolling out in May and June when the rebuilding of the east coast is in full swing. The unemployment rate will be dropping below 7% by the end of this year. The Tea Party will simply cease to exist. They were organized to fight stimulus and try to blame our economic depression on Obama when we all know it was Bush that threw us into depression. Now that Obama has delivered and put us back on a path to prosperity there is no reason for the Tea Party to exist anymore. 2014 mid-terms will wipe out the Tea Party.
You're an optimist markin. The Tea Party will find another issue to rally the uneducated shortly - the government is going to take away your guns, your sugary snacks and force you to go to the doctor for a check up, after all.
amy -- don't forget loud music.
But those issues won't allow them to maintain a majority in the house.
< turns the volume up to 150 db's for Zappa's - Broken Hearts are for A$%holes
zappas -- be careful if you live in new york city -- bloomberg is not targeting loud music as his next control point on the city's residents
Great work Jody...as usual. You have enough material to write a book on the follies of politics.
(gremlins would not let me post this under your wonderful post)
@Fat Tony
I do think they will, as some of those others will try again. It's their nature to do so. Therefore we will get the clown show again. But you could also be correct, it won't be non stop like last time.
I find it hard to believe the GOP cannot find a decent, viable person to run for the oval office. No, Bush, Christie, Rubio, etc are not that like-able. There is no way the American people, who do have short memories, will forget the Bush name, and that name is connected to the damage caused to this country. That is a FACT.
It's one fact the low informed lap dogs of the GOP base wants everyone to forget, but it's not going to happen. The GOP HAS to change it's whole platform. Put away, and never mention again the following: Abortion, birth control pills, planned parenthood, Acorn, and privatizing Social Security.
Doing that is just a start of your remake. You also need to get rid of the baggers and bible thumpers. You need to quit slandering women, and all minority groups. Until you do that, you may not have a GOP President for some years.
And if by chance the GOP does take control of the White House, I hope the House is in control of the D's, and they do the same to the GOP President as they have done/are doing to the one we have now. Maybe they will see just how productive that works. It doesn't, as we would be almost healed as a country if the GOP could have kept it's hate under control.
And also, while the little low informed lap dogs still blame Clinton for everything, and get mad when people mention Bush, just wait until a GOP is in the oval office. Then the CDS and ODS will appear again. Nice little lap dogs, aren't they? Arf arf doggies.
Good Point, Sally!
Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell already has negative ads running aginst him in Iowa!!!
He must be seen as a real threat.
Hard to read the tea leaves so far ahead. One might think the Tea Party would like McDonnell, Christie and Jeb Bush all to run, so the moderate GOPers would split their vote.
The conservative Patriot Super PAC has made a $4,300 ad buy in Iowa for a television spot against current Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's potential presidential campaign in three years, according to the the http://reporting.sunlightfoundation.com/2013/presidential-campaign-2016-and-running/">Sunlight Foundation's news blog.
The ad warns voters in Iowa, where the first contest of the presidential primary is traditionally held, that McDonnell "pushed the largest tax increase in Virginia history."
McDonnell, already rumored to be a Republican candidate for 2016, is term-limited and will step down as governor early next year.
You're just a fountainhead of information, aren't ya? Wanna tell us something we didn't read here three days ago?
Why did I expect that the McDonnell part of the FR remarks would bring a reply from our new poster GOP Comeback?
Funny thing to me is that McDonnell is hit by an ad in Iowa that says he raised taxes (no doubt to balance his budget) but says nothing about his states' transvaginal ultra sound law.
So VP Bob, do you still support the Tea Bag People?
Hi Steeler Fan,
GOP Comeback is actually VP Bob from Virginia. The same one who welched on a bet with me to stay off First Read for 6 month if Willard lost.
Would that be vaginal Bob?
Oh brother, here we go again!
Tell us probe-boy Bobby, how well did your prediction the VP Governor would be Willards running mate work out for ya? lol
Martin,
The one and the same!
The Tea Party is running adds against Bob McDonnell. That's hilarious. I suppose it is possible he could get the Republican nomination, but as long as women are allowed to vote, Gov. Bob "Trans-vaginal probe" McDonnell will never be president.
Also, Rand Paul will never be president. Remember Aqua Buddha? Remember him saying cafe owners should be able to kick out black customers if they wanted to? He is destined to be the next incarnation of Ron Paul. He will have his enthusiastic followers, but no real shot at the oval office.
My loyal fan club, foul mouthed and nasty as ever.
Stay classy, moonbats. Keep embarassing yourself with the vagina jokes, and the lies about the abortion informed consent bill.
How could a serious politician let himself be known as "Vaginal Bob"? What kind of a clown is this loser anyway.
I knew that, Job 1---was just marveling at how Mr. Comeback fell for the bright shiny object FR dangled in front of him.
Mr. Comeback---we don't have to lie about McDonnell's record---it speaks for itself and disqualifies him from national office.
Feisty . . .
I thought the same thing! Now that's he's out of the closet with his pom poms all dusted off, all we're going to hear about is McDonnell from GOP/Vag Bob! GAH!
Since Oblamo almost doubled the national debt in first term wonder how much the next 10 generations are going to owe when he is all done.
Doubled it? Math challenged much?
The GOP always uses "fuzzy math" like their hero W.
I guess you trolls never look at the debt clock, you ought to take a peek. Your hero is spending 1.2 Trillion a year.
Robert = Fuzzy math. How about those GREAT jobs numbers today Robert. Don't ya just love em?
mark -- not great numbers but good. headed in the right direction. if DC could get their act together there is no telling where we could go.
Robert, I must have missed something. When did a President gain the authority to approve appropriations? U.S. Const. Article I, Section 8 gives that authority to Congress.
Yes moron, your challenged, it was 9 Trillion its approaching 17 Trillion, double is 18 Trillion I said almost. I see you subscribe to the theory of keep on spending and printing money as long as you get yours.
No Bush had 10 trillion plus a devastated economy, a depression. Obama is at 6 and soon to be falling since he has brought our economy all the way back from the Bush depression. Boo Yah. Plus Bush used the money to wage unnecessary wars and give his oil buddies a tax break. Obama spends to lift us out of Bush's depression.
FALLING?? get off the Oblamobot koolaid. End of his term GAO predicts national debt will be 23 TRILLION
OH yeah that 837 BILLION in stimulus money for not so shovel ready jobs worked put well didn't it??
Fuzzy math
It was $10.669 trillion on 1/20/09. ON 12/31/12, we were closing in on the $16.4 trillion debt ceiling. That's not double, Robert. Not even close! Geez, I wish you were calculating my pay check!
What part of you can't keep printing money and spending money you don't have can't you trolls grasp?
The part where you want to destroy ss and medicare. BTW you do know that Obama has reduuced the deficit by 2.5 trillion and he is currently negotiating to trim another 1.5 trillion. However, more important than your fuzzy math is the exploding economy and the millions and millions of jobs Obama has created and will continue to create for the next 3.5 years. That will erase the deficit and debt in short order. Boo Yah.
mark -- you have lost me. deficit reduction -- don't think so. we have experienced $1T+ deficits in each year of his term. debt has risen from around $9T at the end of FY2009 to around $16T at the end of FY2012. Though 2009 was shared with bush, the stimulus added some $800B to the deficit and the debt.
from cnn (10/12) -- The Bureau of Labor Statistics confirms that a lot of jobs have been created under Obama's leadership -- 4.4 million by the bureau's latest count. What Obama did not say, however, was that the nation shed 4.3 million jobs during the early days of his term, and that the net gain since he took the oath of office in January 2009 is just 125,000 jobs.
with the jobs added in the last 4 months this number gets to around 700,000.
Robert, you really don't understand the definition of Troll, do you?
amy -- don't forget loud music.
Probably just needs more cowbell.
Can really see how Oblamo got re-elected, VOTE FOR ME AND ITS FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A Bill O'Reilly talking point if I ever heard one.
And Bill was forced to apologize.
Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rate for whites (6.8 percent)
declined in February while the rates for adult men (7.1 percent), adult women
(7.0 percent), teenagers (25.1 percent), blacks (13.8 percent), and Hispanics
(9.6 percent) showed little or no change. The jobless rate for Asians was 6.1
percent (not seasonally adjusted), little changed from a year earlier.
This is NOT to blame Obama,I just find it interesting that all the voters that Obama won have higher unemployment rates than the ones who voted for Romney(according to exit polls.) Any ideas on the matter?
My unemployment rate is zero and I voted for Obama so I don't know what your talking about.
You are a troll and don't know what anyone is talking about.
broker?
broker=the person who makes others broke? Well, at least Bernie Madoff did that.
broker1 is a troll.
Pigotry
Got any ideas why voters(according to exit polls) voted just the opposite of the unemployment numbers.
@ Pigs
Madoff was a pimple on Jack Lews a%$, and Lew is in the Cabinet
Good morning to all,
left wing, right wing, chicken wing...good morning,
i
doh..I lost everything for #25. Here is it again:
woohoo, I am last too.
Thanks, Beverly in Chicago (#1.1)
President Obama's policies have been vindicated. But this worldwide recession has coincided with the structural changes in the US economy with massive outsourcing of manufacturing and rise of the service sector to preeminence in US economy. That's why it's been a jobless and joyless recovery - A slow grind.
But things are looking up. Have a great weekend.
Chip. "Houston, next you will try to tell us that the Dem's never said a bad thing about Bush"
At least when we talked about Bush we didn't make stuff up. It all came true. He was that bad, numbers are not lying.
Obama is that good, it all goes back to the stimulus which kept us from digging an even bigger hole, to actions by both Obama and the fed to stimulate the system. Now you even deny him that. Not much credibility these days in the tea party. Just like the old days of 2010.
@ Johntho
Hows that bailout working for GMAC now Ally? Interesting that they haven't returned one dime to us