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The House passed legislation on Wednesday amid a wintry storm in Washington to avert a government shutdown, and keep the government running through the summer.
The Republican-held chamber voted 267 to 151 to approve a continuing resolution and pull the United States back from the brink of a government shutdown on March 27, when current day-to-day funding is set to expire. Fifty-three Democrats joined with the bulk of Republicans to approve the legislation.
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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi addresses her concerns over a Republican-backed bill that would fund the federal government through September.
The maneuver by the House could be a crucial first step toward avoiding a government shutdown this month, though it was not clear whether the GOP proposal would sail through the Senate.
"Today the House has taken the first step towards assuring the American people that the federal government will stay open, which President Obama agrees should be our shared goal," House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said in a statement. "The Senate should pass the House measure without delay so we can continue focusing on helping Americans get back to work and putting the country on a path to a balanced budget.”
Consideration of the "CR" was sped up to Wednesday afternoon to accommodate a winter storm that had affected Washington, D.C. and its surrounding areas. The vote capped an abbreviated work week for lawmakers in the House.
President Barack Obama said last Friday that the continuing resolution was "the right thing to do to make sure that we don't have a government shutdown." His administration formally released a statement on Tuesday expressing its concerns with the Republican bill, though it stopped short of threatening a veto.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Tuesday that Democrats would produce their own bill to fund the government, with a goal of reaching a final resolution before Congress's Easter recess beginning March 22.
The legislation would extend funding for the government, at existing levels, through the end of the U.S. government's fiscal year — that is, through the end of September. The funding level, though, is subject to the automatic spending cuts, "sequestration," that sprung into effect last Friday.
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The continuing resolution also contains language meant to deal with some of the most severe aspects of the sequester, which mandates indiscriminate, across-the-board cuts to different parts of the federal budget. The Republican proposal would give the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs more flexibility to reallocate funds in their budgets to avoid some of the harshest consequences of sequestration.
More significantly, this move on Wednesday by the House would seem to end the series of miniature fiscal crises which took the U.S. to the brink of calamity on numerous occasions over the past few years. The onset of sequestration on March 1 and the last-minute resolution on higher taxes for the wealthy on Jan. 1 of this year are only the most recent examples of high-profile fiscal battles on Capitol Hill.
Several other fiscal battles await Congress later this spring, though. Both the House and Senate have vowed to approve formal budgets for the forthcoming fiscal year, and Obama is due to produce his own budget soon. Those budgets are tied into a needed extension of the nation's debt limit, which has been suspended through mid-May. An agreement to extract Republican votes for an increase in the debt ceiling will likely hinge on what, if any, consensus lawmakers can reach on taxes, spending and entitlements.
This story was originally published on Wed Mar 6, 2013 2:04 PM EST
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"abbreviated work week"
Seems like every week's an abbreviated work week for this congress... They get more days off than they work and when they are suppose to be working, nothing gets done...
Terry-Ca - the Republicans have no intention of working - ever. They are stuck in Reverse and have been for years. 2014 can't come soon enough!
And yet, not enable employers the long-range comfort they need in order to hire new employees and create 5-year business plans.
GOP, the anti-business party.
Ave, Caesar,
Right on.
FAA personnel furloughs are directly affecting my company's ability to do business.
How long will it take the Senate to act? Cut the fat and bloat in the federal budget. Stop the 1 Trillion dollar deficits.
The House is tasked with originating all revenue bills according to the constitution, but Boehner has been incompetent in moving the House to do things right.
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Give Boehner credit - for moving the House to adopt the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA). Thanks, Mr. Speaker, you deserve credit. Do more, mr Speaker, you also deserve credit for not being a member of the Young Guns - a group of radical & extremist House Republicans.
Better be something better than the lastone that was voted NAY for the majority of the senate including members of his own party.
Yet another pearl of wisdom from Lord Farquat...
Aw, c'mon Mickey, I know you and Caesar have your differences, but ya gotta give this one to him, I can not think of a better description.
And in September, the absolute ridiculous spending will commence once again, what a croc!
The only thing that should be spared is SS. Everything else should be cut!
"caesar" does love the cut 'n paste feature...no way he dreamed that up himself. Well, maybe he did...I smelled smoke earlier. ;)
Monkey is a moron...nothing more...A politcal taint licker of Obama...and there is no imperical proof otherwise...Monkey, why do you keep humping my leg when you know i b8tch slap you all over the place...Touche indeed..
Wow, there's a new word! It seems fitting that the mighty Caesar began it with an "I" rather than an "E". . . .
Caesar Culus's Impire will strike twice .... beware of the plasticine legion, his Caesarette is at work today seeking bread for the table ... and perhaps some fish from friendly sailors.
[Monkey, why do you keep humping my leg when you know i b8tch slap you all over the place]
...yeabut...yeabut...yeabut...you have me on "ignore", right?
Sure you do...
[It seems fitting that the mighty Caesar began it with an "I" rather than an "E". . . .]
The mighty caesar has some chinks in that granite...
"Can NOT successfully kicked down the road"
..........since the legislation will be trashed once it hits Mr. "Pocket Veto" Reid's desk.
Watch the next article on what happened to this legislation.
Reid is just following orders to block any legislation with "Republican, Libertarian, or Conservative" on it and then go to the Senate floor and blame Republicans for not working with HIM.
Heck, Reid will probably order the Congressional janitors to take the day off and leave his "trash" alone.
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BTW: Where oh where is this administration's National Budget for the PAST FOUR YEARS ????
Jack Off, you're absolutely Right...i did indeed misspell it. The Hilight of your uber intelligence...pointing out a misspelling by a poster on a political blog...if i didnt know any better, i'd think you were a pompous windbag liberal...wait, you are. Good on you Jack off.
How good of them. Our saviours. The Republican Party can't help themselves and will never change as long as they have the crack pots in charge. I've never seen so many people do the same damn thing over and over and just not get it. Now they want to offer a fake new look. Nothing new. Just the same old dirt.
Bitching about spelling...original.
Something original would be making fun of Pig with his www.fatchicks.org fact checking site. Now that was a hoot.
Bill filled with cuts to social programs including Social Securtity......More of the same old B.S.
Nothing from the rich 1% while Wall Street is raking in the do re mi!
Meanwhile Citi Banks has over 200 subsideraries offshore accounts at obe address in the caymen Islands....and never paid a dime in taxes 2010. In Fact....they got refunds in the billions.....
Who needs the money, starving seniors on Meals on Wheels or Romney and his horsey Raf!
CA = BORING. same o same o hate and barnyard bovine excrement. Hes is so full of it his eyes went from blue to brown. Absolute low life.
wow how insecure can one person be? gotta respond to every other "reply".
They get more days off than they work and when they are suppose to be working, nothing gets done...
Unfortunately they do get things done and almost all of the things they do are not good. We would be in much better shape if they weren't able to get things done.
Starsailing,
Did you actually read the bill or is this just more of you're BS ranting. I seriously doubt you read the bill or the article for that matter. Facts would be a bit of a stretch for you. You accuse others but this is the same crap you always post. Get a grip, or a life. Or a thought for that matter
While this avoids another self-imposed crisis at least through September, the question I want Speaker Boehner to answer is WHY only the Defense and Veteran's Affairs departments were given flexibility to deal with sequstration cuts? If flexibility is good for Defense and Veterans, it should be good for every Department.
Shutting down might actually have been a good thing
LOL, now there's a name for best oxymoron award; "News or propaganda" actually posted propaganda not news; myth not fact.
Spelling correction, #1.26, should be "sequestration cuts"
So the republican house doesn't do what the President wants, y'all complain. The republican house does what the President wants, y'all complain. Sounds like you just like complaining. Heck even Piggy gave Boehner a little bit of credit - not for the stuff the article was actually about, but at least it was a try.
"If flexibility is good for Defense and Veterans, it should be good for every Department."
I think the simple answer is that the DoD recieved the largest amount of the cuts, both as a % of the budget and $ amount. Sounds like the place to start.
Oh and didn't the GOP in the Senate try and pass a bill that would have allowed cuts to be spread out in a better manor? That's right they did.. But Reid and ever DEM said NO! Who is the party of No now?
Pauly...apparently you only read the article DOH! Nice to have you read my posts......I notice you don't have anything but name calling, because that is ALL you have.....Nothing to rebuke....Yes the bill is the same B.S. I did not check to see if it kills all healthcare as the republicons have tried to do for the Gazillionith time.....I am sure it was inserted once more....What did that cost taxpers by doing that all these times...Over 40 million.....yep more B.S. by the greedy rich.....!
magyar27 - Libs can never enter a discussion; they live to be critical of the opposing party. See any irony with your post????? No, of course YOU don't!
starsailing, So if it "kills all the healthcare" and a HUGE chunk of the Dem's voted for it, then aren't you saying the Dem's want to kill healthcare too? Or are they still in the habit of passing something they've never read?
Wow...things are really looking up...the house passes a continuing resolution that honors the sequester agreement signed into law by President Obama....the stock market has hit an all time new high (now some of those waiting on their 401-k's to rebuild before retiring....can now retire and open up promotions and new jobs for the rest of us)... and even Pigotry is praising Boehner!
Now, if only Harry Reid doesn't screw all of this up by pushing something in the Senate which eliminates the spending cap that has been agreed to, we are poised to continue the move forward.
Senator Reid, if you think we still need more revenue, then let's start with your state. I suggest we begin with a new federal tax on casinos. Their profits often come at the expense of desperate people, hoping against hope, that by betting their rent money they can reverse their fortunes...even though they know that the odds in every game, and at every slot, are against them and guarantee that the house will win over time (how else can your casinos afford to build those huge palaces)! And surprisingly casino greed doesn't end with the odds being stacked in their favor, those people who have found ways to even the odds (the card counters) are identified and made examples of by being thrown out and/or prosecuted!
While you are manning up and showing the way, add a new federal tax on the liquor purchased by casinos. Taxing the stuff they give away free (in order to eliminate the good judgment of their customers) only seems fair....and while you are at it, how about adding in a new tax on the prostitution that is legal in so many Nevada counties!
There, now you have raised enough revenue to help those who have had their lives destroyed (albeit thru their own poor choices, but aided and abetted with plenty of free booze) by the major businesses in your state.
There is one last thing I would like you to consider. We now have a Consumer Protection Bureau (CPB), which was created to protect us from the unscrupulous practices of American business....need I say more ... hmmmm .... yes I will. Ask the CPB to develop legislation which allows individuals who have lost money gambling, while under the influence of alcohol provided free of charge by the offending business, the right to sue for the recovery of their losses. To be fair to the casinos, they would be protected from the potential of lawsuit if they require that customers, with alcohol impaired judgment, be escorted off the floor to a place (compliments of the house) where they can regain their judgment. Such a place could be a show but preferably would be dinner, or in the case of serious impairment...a free room. NOTE: This policy must be applied without discrimination....whales (the super wealthy gamblers) must be treated the same as the rest of us...they get impaired...off to dinner they go.
I have many more ideas which would benefit you in your "increase revenue and raise taxes" campaign. If you are interested please contact me care of "newsvine".
Chippy....Sure the Dems got the ball rolling...by voting for something/anything...it goes to Senate where it gets looked at...and there all the pork for the rich 1% and the nonsense gets removed.....
Simple huh?Then a new bill would be crafted by republicons...leaving Social Security alone...etc...a bill for middle class and poor....and not for the GREEDY 1%.....See how simple that is?...But...it won't happen because republicons are the party of the GREEDY rich 1%. Republicons want the Social Security money in Wallstreet!!!!.....For....The Greedy rich1%.......Follow? Goallll? Privatize everything for the greed rich!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
Passed with a bipartisan majority. Who cares if Reid leaves it on his desk with the rest of his job. The House has given the Senate Democrats and Obama time to get a budget passed and to finally put their balanced approach to the massive debt and deficits in writing. With the House passing this legislation with a bipartisan majority, who is Obama going to blame when Senate Democrats fail to do their job, again? This was a smart move by House Republicans. This buys the Democrats and Obama time to do their job, lets see if they are up to the task. Obama must be fuming that he is losing his ability to play the blame game.
Garbage fighting garbage right here.
Odumbo actually EMAILED AN INTERNAL MEMO with instructions to make the sequester as painful as possible on the American people! All in the interests of a political agenda.
http://inagist.com/all/309030083602022400/?utm_source=inagist&utm_medium=rss
Of course we wouldn't hear about THAT on NBC, would we... Just imagine the reaction had Bush done something that stupid.
But don't blame me... I didn't vote for the community organizing as$ clown.
My company can't hire new workers and all orders from customers have been pushed back another 6 months (again) because they're not sure of their requirements - another 6 months of borrowing to pay bills and stay afloat. Thanks Congress! You guys wait and wait and wait until the last days, then make a big show about it and finally do nothing but push back the work for another 6 months (again). Someone really needs to dock your pay because you guys just don't earn it! Do something for Americans for once and not for your egos!
FINALLY, the Republican controlled House of Representatives did something timely and rational! HURRAH, HURRAH, HURRAH! This just proves that miracles can sometimes happen, even with small minds!
Odumbo actually EMAILED AN INTERNAL MEMO with instructions to make the sequester as painful as possible on the American people! All in the interests of a political agenda.
Realist17, I read that article, and nowhere in it did it say Obama sent the email. Stop misinterpreting things and posting them as facts. That's part of the problem right now, all the incorrect information being passed on as true. Granted it did say sent by the administration, but do you know how many people compose the administration? Until you can prove the email was actually sent by Obama, stfu.
Mira, so you are telling me that you don't believe those instructions came from Obama? IT WAS HIS ADMINISTRATION!!! ON THE HEELS OF HIM PREACHING ABOUT HOW PAINFUL THE SEQUESTRATION WOULD BE.
Wake up and smell the coffee. I mean, I understand you liberals are drinking the Kool-aid... and I get it - you can't believe your guy would do anything wrong... but at some point the hypnosis has to stop.
I mean, the liberal mainstream media wouldn't even report on this. Just imagine with you (and they) would be saying if something this stupid and evil came from the Bush administration.
Think of all the things that the Odumbo administration did in the last 6 months alone:
1) Benghazi.
2) ICE letting violent illegals out of the AZ prisons, using sequestration as the pretext
3) Odumbo preaching to every camera on earth that sequestration was a dumb idea - and having his henchmen threaten a news reporter who actually wanted to report something against The King - that it was Obama's idea in the first place.
4) Odumbo administration emailng a memo ordering agencies to make the sequestration cuts painful to the American people.
5) Hoder memo authorizing drone strikes on US citizens on US soil.
I could go on but I'm starting to get carpel tunnel.
Do you know how RIDICULOUS you sound? And how crazy? You are aware that this is simply a place where people post their opinion?
What on earth would cause you to spin such a fantasy? If you really believe such things, you need some help.
Realist17,
You're funny. All I asked was for you to prove Obama wrote the memo, as you accused. I don't recall saying anything about what political party I represent, or who I even voted for. But you chose to attack me, assuming you knew all about me from that one simple post. You made accusations all through that post, but can you prove those any more than you can prove Obama wrote the memo?
BTW, YELLING isn't proof of anything. So you yelling still doesn't prove Obama wrote that memo.
That's really all I wanted to know. And I'm still waiting for an answer...
Realist17
You're funny. All I asked was what proof did you have that Obama actually wrote that email and sent it. Yelling is not proof of anything. It's actually considered very rude out here.
Besides the yelling, you went on to list a number of things. None of that proved anything. You accused me without knowing what party I'm affiliated with, or even what my political beliefs really are. BTW, I don't drink Kool-aid, never did, never will; I prefer adult drinks. None of that proves anything either.
So, where did you get the information that Obama sent the email? Easy question. I'm waiting...
Oh, it's still going to be the useless do-nothing-if-its-not-my-way Bozobama show. This fool is the most failed, useless nonleader since his clone Jimmy "Peanut fool" Carter.
Mira, I acknowledged that his administration wrote the memo. And my point is that all Obama does is hide behind his administration every time something goes wrong - and people like you let him get away with it. Maybe if something went wrong seldomly, he should be able to hide behind them, because no administration is perfect. But when things go as bad as they have with this incompetent administration as often as they do, he should not be allowed to hide.
Yet, every time, the media seems to give him a pass - as did you. Seriously... do you really believe that the President is not responsible for the acts of his administration? Have you heard him condemn the email as something he dismisses? Have you ever heard a kool-aid drinking mainstream media outlet even question him on it?
no balls chicken $hlts... worry about re-elections???? lol
Who would like for one day to be one of theses fools that like to say "Odumbo", "Bozobama", or "Peanut Fool".
A day where you could go about spewing lies, fabrications, misinformation, and a host of other half-assed attempts to deflect from actually being so blinded by self important/invented rage over @!$%# that never happened the way you claim, all the while sounding like somebody foolish enough to have actually even voted for Robme, Lyin Ryan(how are your marathon times?), and all the while be so self deluded as to have nothing sensible nor of substance to submit, all the while making claims such as " I can see Russia from my front porch." -type idiotic claims while never saying @!$%# about the actual MAJOR CRIMES of his/her heros from Conneticut and Wyoming, War Criminals President George W Bush & Dick Cheney, Condeleza Rice, along wuth those Oil Family Shills and Imperialists ready to kill thousands of Our Troops while destroying the Lives and Infrastructure of millions of innocent Iraqis while claiming to be saving them, stealing their Oil for China(why do you think we picked up all those T Bill Sales?), not the Boondoogle of Afghanistan while flying the Bin Laden family out after 9/11 while allowing no other planes to fly?
I guess I could make up about anything while in this fairyland mode, but the difference is, I do not have to make up my facts, nor sound like those @!$%#s with some mystery reason for hating the Current President which seems to escape all sense and reason. There are plenty of things to roast Obama over, what with his Transparency and Bushbama Policy continuims, allowing Artic Oil Drilling and still refusing to allow Americans to know when they are being sold GMO or Monsanto-Poison laced food, refusal to regulate Fracking Chemicals by disclosure of its ingredients to the Public, and even considering Keystone XL for China Pipeline.
No. I do not want to be a Maggot even for a second. And they have to live with being Maggots every day of their miserable lives, sucking the Lie Tailpipe of Fox News, with little sign of significant brain activity of their own.
Must be reincarnated Parrots From Hell...or just RWNJs. It is easy to caste insults while in this mode, just not so easy to substantiate those accusations and fools fodder. Hell, I bet they DO kiss their toothless Mamas with those mouths and tongues.
Sheesh.
Starsailing: What comic book are you reading. As to "greed" and wasting gov. money why don't you talk about Obama's vacations in Hawaii which cost the taxpayers 3.2 MILLION dollars for a round trip on Air Force One ($180,000.00/hr. every time he flies to do his campaigning) Those are facts!! Where did you $40 Million come from - the tooth fairy, and what is you problem with the Democratic process?
Gil...the only person on the blog named after fish parts....I see you are well misinformed from watching Fox news.....
First Read - Why did so many Democrats object to the Continuing Resolution? You insiders need to let us know why it only got 50 votes from Democrats. I would think that the CR is way better than a government shutdown. No need to have another funding crisis so soon. I guess the GOP is still revelling in that fact that $85 billion in cuts (job losses be darned) are coming.
Sure the Democrats probably want different funding priorities, but the sequester cuts can't be fiddled with now, so what gives?
I bet there are some poison pills in the TeaPeople House CR......
They will fund Defense, blah, blah.......cuts are somewhere in their version of the CR....possibly cuts to WIC, unemployment, food stamps......etc
What's in the TeaPeople CR?
How cute - now he's playing hard to get. Does he bat his eyelashes, or are they in a constant state of flutter?
The GOP is waiting to see what Obama offers so that they know what they oppose.
chilled -- in other words you don't have a clue! so the poison pills you describe should result in the 53 democrats being ostracized by their party
Yellowdog:
The primary reason is that some Dems want the sequester to kick in as that is the only way they will be able to get cuts in defense.
(raising hand) Me! Me! Over here!
Do I detect a hint of Dem's trying to own the cuts now?
You guys are pathetic.
That was a good try, so far Democrats are saying NO to every budget the House pass, old buddy Reid keep them under his desk, along with many other bills to create more jobs. Don't believe everything you read here or from the media bias, NBC,MSDNC, ABC, CNN all of them have low level of confidence.
*shrugs* I don't know if I am one of the 'dems' you are deriding, Morgs, but I was an advocate for the sequester months ago, because I know that the system is too broken to ever allow what really needs to happen to happen. I was an advocate for the expiration of all of the Bush tax cuts for the same reason.
If that means I am trying to 'own' the cuts, then I guess I am.
Michael Thompson, Charlotte, NC - You and I are on the same page then. This absolutely needed to happen because none of the numbskulls have enough backbone to do it themselves. From day one everyone has been trying to blame the others for the sequester. No one has the balls to make difficult decisions.
As I said before, who ever claims them first will win this debacle. Repubs said well they aren't all that bad. I see David defending the cuts now too.
When all the bluster is over we will be $85b less in debt and someone should be thanked.
[Do I detect a hint of Dem's trying to own the cuts now? You guys are pathetic.]
So, the GOP wants the cuts, but just don't have the balls to own them?...huh...
You'd probably say that was "easy peasy", right McSqueezy?
Sure you would...
The reality is that if we move a couple of percentage points each way, we'll be a lot closer to a solution than most people realize. The situation is not nearly as bad as a lot of people seem to think it is. To use the household analogy that so many people use, the U.S. is basically one year's 'salary' in debt. Most families dwarf that amount with their home mortgage alone. It's really just a matter of getting the nation's house in order. And if the sides refuse to cooperate, then the only way to handle it is this draconian B.S., which shouldn't be necessary but somehow it's become so.
Mickey, NY - Ma'am, no body in this pantie waste government has the balls to own these. Rep or Dem. Quit being a tool for the left and do some moderate thinking you slug.
Easy Peasy. Glad I have you as a follower but we all knew you were one anyway.
billybob### suggests:
Clue, clue, the TeaPeople do not like any of the safety net programs. Programs for the poor, elderly, unemployed, etc.....that's the clue! It's what they do!...cut, cut, cut......
As for the Democrats....not sure about being ostracized since both houses of congress know what's going to happen to a piece of legislation.....House passes something that they already know will not pass the Senate, and vice versa...........Then each Chamber can 'claim' they did their job.
Interesting comments. I also believed that it would have been better to allow all the Bush Tax cuts to expire, even those on the middle class. On the sequester I originally thought it was a good idea to get cuts to defense and other programs. I felt we could sustain and weather the sequester. However, after seeing the affect on employment due to government cuts last quarter I realized that maybe I was wrong. Last quarter GDP growth was -.1% later revised to .1% growth. While not a catastrophe the sequester will have its negative effects, especially for those furlouged, laid off or people needing cut programs.
I really wished that they would have hammered out a solution to weigh the cuts away from critical programs. I will not be happy in defense spending if it means Boeing or Grummond or even Blackwater cuts employment. Blackwater, well... no not even Blackwater job loses will gladden me.
Maybe before the debt limit raising debate an agreement can be reached on some tax revenues (tax reform, closing loopholes) and entitlement reforms chained CPI, raising elgibility age slightly and gradually.
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Mr. Walker - I did like your post on First Thoughts today. I'm glad you understand not to judge or believe that all people of faith are like Ben 6350.
[Quit being a tool for the left and do some moderate thinking you slug.]
Nahh, I'll leave that up to the "big-brained" thinkers like yourself...besides, you have a lot of time on your hands now, right my little multi-regger?
Sure you do...
Go get 'em killer...
Yellowdog-Mark D - Loophole closures would be great but whoever was for them are not against them and whoever was against them are now for them. These parties are doing nothing but pitting us against each other. This needs to be retooled.
Mickey, NY - Been here since 2010, never banned or put on time out. Try again. *squak*
Morgs74, this is Monkey's M.O. At first i firgued Monkey Ny was a amateur moron but have come to the further understanding he/she/it has made it a lucrative profession.
CA - Mickey sure does bring a lot to the table. Had to look at the profile and sure enough, nothing but slinging insults. Guessing she is still bitter about not getting any Buzz Cola's over 16 ounces anymore. Maybe it is a 7 round thing. Who knows.
Hey Mickey,
Who peed in your cheerio's?
DOnt call Monkey a she, she'll say you had your 'ass handed' to you by a girl..How misygonist of him/her.
Here, Monkey is cheating on me by riding your leg now Morgs. In fairness, Monkey did one time say Democrats play chess and Republicans play checkers..whatever that means.
Just have to wonder, if these elite Democrats are great chess players, why are they still in CHECK
Thetotas, I did. he's also had a bad couple weeks chiming in and then someone putting him in his place. Apparently towing the Oblamo line without understanding has taken its toll on the Mighty Monkey Ny.
Life be IRIE Monkey.
Thought it was the other way around, I always hear Obama yelling "King me, King me!". I am probably wrong through, Mickey is a pawn.
Yellowdog:
I have always known that. Faith in a god doesn't work for me. It hasn't for many years. However, it works for many, many people, and when all is said and done, no one can say with certainty there is no god.
The Congressional Budget Office tells lawmakers sequestration would cost the U.S. economy 750,000 jobs, and it doesn’t stop Republicans from calling the sequester a “victory.”
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http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/03/06/17208820-canceled-white-house-tours-jrnot-projected-job-losses-cause-uproar?lite
Do the Tea Suckers see that? I doubt it termites can only lick stones; in this case cans.
Morgs74:
I'll kiss your ass in Times Square and give you an hour to draw a crowd if you can prove your statement:
I'll expect you to do the decent thing and apologize for lying if you can't.
... the thing about chess is that a pawn can be promoted to a queen and much more powerful that a mere king ... Mickey on f7 is a threat far greater than a checkers king.
I have yet to see any economic prophecy that any of these so called professionals make come to fruition. Every single crisis has been manufactured at the hands of so called elected professionals. They suck at it. Ron Paul seen the collapse coming for years, no one listened. And why would thy? People don't tell them, they tell the people. We simply keep electing overlords.
she's the queens gambit
Come on MSNBC,
How difficult is it to provide a link to the text of the Bill and a list of how everybody voted?
We see these kinds of stories where some reporter digests the Bills into one sentence sound bites and then give us a total vote. I guess that's fine for a tweet, but you wrote a story and didn't really tell us much.
There is hardly a Bill that gets passed that doesn't have something tacked onto it, and CRs tend to be a good place to slip in these little gems.
I'm not talking about pork either. Frankly we ought to bring back pork. It helps achieve compromise and it brings need money back to the states. Just limit it to some reasonable cap.
People read these kinds of stories and form opinions without really understanding the Bill they voted on. I want to see how my Representatives voted and I want to see all the little tidbits in the Bills that nobody mentions and we later find out have some significant impact.
I know we can go search for this stuff, but these idiots don't even put the Bill number in the story.
Put the links in there! Adds a couple words to the story and people don't have to read it if they don't want to or don't really care what their Representatives are doing for them. (Or maybe more accurately, "to them")
David Walker
I redact my previous statement. This was not a defense, it was compliance.
And all of those jobs due to a bloated federal budget that has to be trimmed somewhere Beverly so what's your point?
I see you're from Chicago so debt in your city and your state should be nothing new to you despite the insane tax rates you have there...
CA, your such a moron, you haven't a clue when your ass is handed to you. Which happens ever single day. What a waste of human skin you are.
If you go to the Congressional webpage, the bill should show there someplace. I have to get to my second job, or I'd look it up and provide the linke.
Went to the wrong site but found out this was a thing...my kids will love this. Rangle can't pay his taxes but he can send your kids to war.
[Congressional Bills 113th Congress] [From the U.S. Government Printing Office] [H.R. 748 Introduced in House (IH)] 113th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 748 To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 25 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or as civilian service in a Federal, State, or local government program or with a community-based agency or community-based entity, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to provide for the registration of women under the Military Selective Service Act, and for other purposes. _______________________________________________________________________ IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES February 15, 2013 Mr. Rangel introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed ServicesCheer up Jethro, Jesus loves you...and life's hard, even harder when youre stupid...rocky road it appears you have ahead of you...Still waiting for that proof btw.
Morgs: Selective Service is a requirement for men 18 yrs and older to get federal loans for school. So im confused by your post, which really doesnt have much to do with the article in the first place.
Yellowdog Mark, one objection I have is that the House bill only gives "flexibility" on sequestration cuts to the Defense Department and Veterans' Affairs which I expressed above while saying at least they postponed another fiscal crisis.
The conservatives on this board complain almost daily there is no budget yet here we have the GOP House once again passing another Continuing Resolution. I don't have a problem with CRs but this is what the GOP has forced on Congress for the last four years all while complaining about the Senate not passing a budget even though the GOP blocked efforts to do so, and the budgets the House has passed were poison pills filled with anti-women's health legislation, repeal of ObamaCare, and anything else they hate.
Morgs74, seems to me that IF we keep starting decades-long wars, the quickest way to put the breaks on that neoconservative mentality is to reinstate the draft. You can probably bet that we would have long been out of Afghanistan and Iraq probably wouldn't have started.
except Jody, the previous 10 year war with a draft was lead by Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson. Why do you want to rewrite history. as if only the GOP starts worthless wars.
How many budget proposals need be sent to Harry The dip@!$%# only to be shelved...you're complacency and partisanship is NOT CHANGE. So go on Jody, Boner sucks Pelosi Best EVAR! SSDD
The United States has not been at war since 1945.
David Walker
technically yes...then i guess we wont hear you mutter the words Bush's unfunded wars or the likes...Fine 10 year conflict (congress approved) prior to 'iraq and afghan' was Vietnam
Odumbo actually EMAILED AN INTERNAL MEMO with instructions to make the sequester as painful as possible on the American people! All in the interests of a political agenda.
http://inagist.com/all/309030083602022400/?utm_source=inagist&utm_medium=rss
Of course we wouldn't hear about THAT on NBC, would we... Just imagine the reaction had Bush done something that stupid.
But don't blame me... I didn't vote for the community organizing as$ clown.
Realist17,
You cutting and pasting? Sheesh. You posted that exact same thing as a reply to the last string of posts. So I guess I can do the same...
to which I replied:
Caesar et al. , There is a difference in previous wars like Vietnam, and the World Wars is that we sold savings bonds (war bonds) to pay for the war giving us plenty of time to pay for it and for the budget to reflect the money needed to payback the money with interest. In the recent Iraq and Afghanistan wars they were put on the credit card, sadly approved by Congress, and the bill has come due all at once. Former Vice-President Dick Cheney, opined that deficits don't matter so it makes sense that it was done the way it was. He knew that he and Georgie wouldn't be in office when the bill came due do it didn't matter to them. I would bet they even thought it a great way to cut out all safety net spending so all the money, what little there is from people not working, would go to the Pentagon and ultimately to the military-industrial complex,
Realist - maybe you ought to learn how to read your own frickin' links. Obama emailing a department head, puleeze!!
hold the line dems. let the pubs shut down government and not pay the bills. it always amazes when the dems run from the pubs when the majority of voters are on their side??? repeal the sequester and get on with growing the economy, growing jobs and taking care of all citizens.
Repeal something the "Dems" passed in the Senate and the President signed?
NEVER!!!
kr, while I get the point you're making, shutting government down is irresponsible and ends up costing taxpayer millions everytime it happens.
Taking care of all citizens ?? You freeking live in a fantasy land ! Time to submit a budget with a 10% cut in spending, period ! We are broke, and We need to start making cuts to get Our house in order.
Joel lotsonumbers, experts, non partisan experts, have all said , as has President Obama that it will require both cuts and revenue increases to get us out of this mess. The increases don't have to be pegrmanent nor do they have to be but a few percent to make a significant difference. Obama has already cut the deficit and more people are working plus the stock market has hit an all time high despite efforts by some to stifle the recovery. Some companies are seeing the err of their ways in shipping jobs overseas because the cheap labor is producing junk, demanding more money and the cost of shipping the junk to the consumer, if not in China, India or wherever its made is too high and not cost effective.
Good paying jobs will mean people will pay income tax that is not now being collected due to the unemployed don't pay much tax on unemployment insurance claims. Those who are unemployed include many who are using food stamps and other public services for the first time in their lives just to stay alive. If they have good paying jobs they'll be off the dole and contributing once again. If all we do is cut, cut, cut those folks will starve or worse. Perhaps the great Caesar or Joel lotsonumbers doesn't care but most Americans do. Just remember when you see someone who is down and out to say to yourself "There, but by the grace of God, go I."
Well it is very revealing to look at what is in this Bill and what is behind it.
It is pretty clear that what the House Republicans are trying to do is re-write the sequestration law through this Continuing Resolution.
It is obvious by this 296 page Bill and the 394 page supporting documents, that they have been working on this for some time and never had any intentions to negotiate sequestration. Full analysis will take some time, but what it appears like, is that they are fully funding DOD at 2013 levels plus adding at least $2 billion if not more. About 98% of the bill is about specific DOD budgets. In the supporting document the take 392 of the 394 pages to go through and mark up the DOD budget request line by line. Making cuts in some places and increases in others. Pretty interesting which items they cut and which they increased. But ultimately they are providing more money than the Budget Request. (Note too, that the Budget Request does not have any adjustments in it for the sequester. They criticized Obama for not having DOD write their budget proposal with sequestration figured in.)
In the last page and a half of the 394 page explaination. They basically say that few other things get some additional funding and then that everything else gets across the board so that the grand total is equal to the original sequester cuts amount.
They fully funded DOD plus more and redirected what DOD was directing funds for, and then throwing all the total cuts across the board for things they don't like.
In the explanation document, you can see what the budget request was and what they "recommend". Pretty interesting because it essentially molds DOD policy based on money. Some interesting things that got more money than the original budget requests. Abrams tanks and Bradleys adding several hundred million. C-130 aircraft, F-18 aircraft, Helicopter upgrades and a variety of shipbuilding funding. In other words, spend more money on war toys they like. Cuts were fairly small and widely scattered, but hit things like communication improvements, Special Forces funding, UAVs and similar high tech stuff. In a few cases they denied budget requests to move some funding from one thing to anaother.(Seems to me they like the traditional type of war and not the kind that Obama has waged. I haven't checked yet, but my guess would be that these Republican Congressmen probably have a vested interest in the Defence Contractors they are funding at higher levels.)
It will take quite a while to analyze all the detail and add it up, but the above things I mentioned jumped off the pages. I am actually amazed that they published this because there is an amazing amount of detail about the DOD budget which I wouldn't think you would like your enemies to get hold of. For example, you can see the detail for how much is budgeted for specific types of ammo. Want to know how much 5.56 ammo we're planning on buying? You can figure it out from the detail. Want to know how much we are planning on spending for specific missles? It's there. In fact there is stuff there I've never even heard of and can't find with a simple search. Maybe I'm missing something, but I wouldn't think you would want to make that level of detail available for anyone to see. I also find it interesting that Congress is tweaking DOD funding at that low a level of detail.
What they did was rewrite the DOD budget making it bigger rather than smaller. No sequester problem there anymore! Then they took a few favorite other items and funded or cut at levels they wanted and said hack everything else across the board to make up the difference.
No way this gets through the Senate as it stands. If I were President Obama, this baby would get vetoed.
Actually, a pretty good strategy because to the generally dumb and uninformed public, it just looks like Republicans are caving and saying, just keep funding like last year. That is absolutely not the case.
Check out the documents: http://docs.house.gov/floor/
The Bill isn't the final, as passed version, but I don't think it was changed a lot. The revealing document is the "explanation", because the Bill doesn't really do a good job of showing you what it was before and what it is now, plus it is written at a higher level.
They are calling this a Continuing Resolution, but it really isn't. It is the Republican's answer to the sequestration problem, take it or leave it with no room for negotiation. Someone went through an amazing amount of work and I sincerely doubt that any individual Congressman has a detailed enough grasp on things to have done it. They had to be working directly with the defense contractor lobbiests. Read it yourself and then tell me which Congressman knows this better than the DOD?
Sure don't understand how they get to go home due to a winter storm, my work won't allow it why should we allow them to do this? These nutjobs in the house under boner's leadership think they all have a 3 day work week with a paid vacation everyother week - good work if you can get it, right boner? Guess when you never had to work for a living you don't really know the meaning of a 40+hour work week like the working middle class folks. And in terms of congress it shows!
The only work done by the TeaPeople in Congress, is they work really hard to keep those cushy jobs for themselves......The constituents don't matter, and they don't know that they only matter for their vote...nothing else...No Jobs, No benefits, No healthcare......(Oh, but you can keep your gun).
Low-information voters are priceless to the TeaPeople in Congress......Keep 'em dumb!
union -- i assume that all of the democrats will stay and complete the day? is that what you are saying?
So to be clear, the House republicans and 50 dems vote on a plan and when the Senate doesnt take it up (again), it will be the republicans who want the government shut down? And some of you ppl call republicans the "Party of No."
Remember this article when the WH orchestrates another crisis. Takes 2 to compromise.
frstrm#s, never assume. Nothing in the article says the Senate will not take up the bill. The Senate will, and most likely both democrats and republicans in the Senate will amend it at which time either reconciliation occurs between the two legislative bodies, or the House votes on the Senate bill and passes it, or the House amends the Senate bill or everybody starts over.
yeah Union, I got that blame the GOP memo too this morning...I like the Gold Trim now used as the stationary email format and the electronic signature signed by King Hussein the Merciful was a nice touch
Find those "commie fascists" under your bed last night, Lord Farquat?
Sure ya did...
Monkey, I cant hear you with my c*ck in your mouth...
Your pathetic transparency causes even the normal to pity you Cheasar. It's a good thing you live in America, where being useless and having no redeeming qualities is allowed and others will still feed and clothe you as if you were of sound mind. Life can have so many paths... Why you chose to follow the Dung Beetle is anyone's guess.
Check your meds, it appears you may have taken too much of your Vitriol lately.
[Monkey, I cant hear you with my c*ck in your mouth...]
Another pearl of wisdom...wait, you forgot to call me a "douchebag"... Take your Ritalin, little man...
So Ruken, you're saying I fit in with you Libtards.
Check your mouth...my c*ck made it there too...mmmm....whats the matter i thought you guys were tolerant of that...why not just call me a faggot and be over it Bigot ;o)
It's obvious what doesn't work when his is up your arse.
PARTY DRONES are soooooo boring.
My.
I guess yahoo.com is shut down...
Yea the GOP proposal ends the sequester cuts to things that the GOP supports but leave in place the sequester cuts to the things that Democrats supports...different pasture same ole GOP cow-pie
It does not end the sequester cuts. Did you bother to read the article?? The legislation gives the defense and a couple other departments the latitude to shift the cuts to different areas of their budget. The Senate is also working with the White House to determine what, if any, additional government departments will be given the latitude to similarly shift their cuts. The Senate can then produce their bill and the two bodies could then meet in a conference to work out the final details. That is exactly how the system is supposed to work. Obama has already said he supports this approach.
Thus far the CR is only one sided and that is the Republican side. I find it disingenuous of the Republicans to vote yes on the entire sequestration only to come back and cherry pick only the defense budget for latitude in the cuts. You don't get to have it both ways. This of course is not surprising. Both parties have their pet issues, albeit the Republicans really only care about defense and not much else. I am hopeful that their proposal, as it stands, will not be accepted.
The Senate is doing the negotiating with the White House on any additional latitude for the budget cuts. The few areas that were added into the CR passed by the House were areas already agreed to by the committees in the House AND Senate with responsibility for oversight of those agencies. You might try doing some research AlaskaGirl. At least on this issue, the CR for the FY2013 budget, the government in Washington is functioning exactly as it is supposed to.
No, Peter... he did not read the article. The left-wing-lunatics on this site never do. They just keep spouting the same old talking points and blaming conservatives!
(you must be new here.)
Jeff King
Yet another liberal who is failing the art of actually reading and understanding the points in an article.
screw it...shut it down they dont work anyway
Shutting down the government does not only affect the Congress. You do understand that a government shutdown is essentially shutting down the country and all that entails? No cops, no security at the airport, no public workers making sure electricity and water are restored after a large storm, no social security checks going out, no IRS processing tax returns, no security at our borders, no military making sure our airspace is not violated by terrorists, nobody making sure our food and drinking water is safe, no mail, the financial institutions being left unregulated. Wow, the list goes on and on as I sit here and think about the ramifications of a full government shutdown. We shut down and it becomes a global issue, as well. It's not just about us, folks.
ak -- read again. this cr is put in place to avoid a shutdown through the end of the fiscal year. it was a bipartisan vote.
really -- are you so obtuse as to believe any of this would happen?
Why would I be offended? As long as the "facts" that one is offering are coupled with searchable and credible sources I have no problem with that. I am very open to changing or reviewing an opinion that I have, if the "facts" given support the claim. I agree with you about both parties needing to roll up their sleeves and do some earnest work. Yes, there has been alot of finger pointing in the last few months, but it is also pretty clear that the Republican party deserves most of the fingers in their direction. I have stated only in the last few days that I am sick and tired of both sides blaming each other. It doesn't do us any good and it wastes time, and both parties need to suck it up and work together.
Okay, if you are going to call me obtuse then I guess we will just revert back to the name calling. So, @!$%#, I was commenting on a statement by "don't mess with texas" asserting that we should just let government shut down. And, yes, if there was indeed an honest to God gvt. shutdown, those items I listed could and would indeed be possibly affected by a shutdown.
ak -- obtuse is an adjective -- Annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand. if you believe anything in your above post then this is an accurate description.
so the privately held utilities would not operate during a federal shutdown; all cops would stop working; no security at the airport means, i guess, no flights; borders would just be wide open; and how long would it take for this to happen? an hour, a day, a month, a year??
why not take the rest of the day off and get ready for tomorrow. have a nice evening.
So much drama over a procedure that occurred dozens of times under Reagan and dozens of times under W.
Alaska Girl (post 7.1) You are describing America if the Libertarians were to get what they want. So one can wonder is the Libertarian faction of the Republican party running the party, is the Tea Party faction still running things, or will the sensible slightly right of center finally regain control and stop all the nonsense. I guess time and events will tell.
Facts? We don't need no stinkin facts! We make up our own!!
The little "Richie Rich Ryan" is not 'coy' about his so-callled budget. Little "Richie Rich Ryan" has made it very clear. The 'takers' are not going to steal anymore from the so-called 'makers.' Little "Richie Rich Ryan" was the GOP/Teabegger that lead their "Caucus Conspiracy" of 2009. The "Richie Rich Ryan" can not even do the math correctly on his very own budget plan. Many in the Religious Field have already called the little "Richie Rich Ryan" Budget Plan immoral, unethical, UnAmerican, and jsut "Economically Evil." Little "Richie Rich Ryan" is not 'coy.' He is very direct and blunt in his "Economics Of Evil." The Middle Class, the Working Poor, the elderely, and the disabled are expendible. His budget economically favors the 'fictionally' created 'makers.' This is a huge little "Richie Rich Ryan" lie! In 2011 the GOP/Teabeggers in their "House Of Hoodlum's" had already voted to destroy Social Security. That is fact! It is on the voting record of the House, and one should look it up on line. Little "Richie Rich Ryan" in a "Manure Salesman" that has a very "Regressive' budget.
So we get a new Ryan Plan that is just like the old plan that is just like the old plan that is just like the old plan that is just like the old plan....................So this is the new old plan. Gotta love the teabagger mentality. Dust off any old turd and make it shiny and new.
so what to do with those 53 democrats -- how about tar and feathers!!
billybob, why is that you never really offer anything substantive to an issue? You offer one liners like some hack or a troll. What? Trolling is the only way you can achieve a hard on these days? Come on, you are only showing everyone that you are not versed in the issues, and therefore are never taken seriously.
ak -- sorry you don't appreciate subtle humor. but how about the 53 democrats -- what do you think should be done? or did they in fact support a reasonable bill that you are completely ill-equipped to understand?
And the dems had what? Oh yeah... NO PLAN AT ALL! Other than to blame the republicans... (like you said... dusting off the same old turd!)
Ah but never fear... I am sure that good old Harry will make sure it never gets to a vote in the Senate!
HA!
Yeah because the ideals of King Hussein are original...lets see Lenin, Marx, Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Mao. all done with NO SUCCESS. Obama, Unoriginal as they get.
Besides King Hussein has a funeral to attend
I dunno, CA. China seems to be trundling along.
That's awesome...hows the quality of life there too? So China is where you look to success? OUTSTANDING!
N Korea too
I really don't have any idea and the reality is that neither do you, because neither of us live there. I was just pointing out that one of the supposedly 'failed' communist states you mentioned is still very much there and very much kicking right along... which is sort of pertinent since that nation also happens to have about 1/8th of the world's population.
i assure you Michael China lifestyle is nothing compared to American lifestyle. You love communism so much, move there, come back in a couple and let us know..im pretty sure i can look up the median income of the average Chinese citizen and compare it to one our '47%er's' .... yeah there was a reason the sayin is 'there are starving people in China' exists.
So... um... how exactly did you arrive at the notion that I 'love' communism?
by your defense of Oblamos Ideals which mirror, again the tried and failed policies of Communism...thats right, you didnt say that either. other than China is a successful Communist gov (so you eluded to). And how so, i would love to hear how you arrived at that. Because there are a billion starving people?
Gotta love the Middle Class: It's all fun to screw the working poor, the elderly, and the disabled, but now that it's their turn, they cry "Foul!" Enjoy your misery, house servants! It is richly deserved and long overdue!
Why would anyone choose to let the government shut down over a temp fix? In an attempt to make the GOP look like the bad guys you are willing to run the government and the country into the ground? That is not rational thinking. But I guess that is liberal thinking. Deny deny deny and blame someone else. This WH and administration has tried to scare the public more than any other I can remember, and they are pretty much lies. And now an email comes out of the WH telling department head to make the sequester as painful as possible. They are turning illegals loose and you can't tell me that DHS had no other areas of spending that they could have cut? No, just another scare tactic. The WH has now cancelled all tours of the WH even the self guided tours. Now how does that save money? On top of all this we have DHS buying 1.9 million rounds of ammo, 2700 light armored vehicle for domestic use and the Atty Gen saying it's ok to use drone attacks against American citizens on American soil. The examples he gave, Pearl Harbor attacks and 9/11 attack, is just totally stupid. All the attackers in 9/11 were killed, who does he plan on attacking with his drones?
You just gotta wonder...
WTH this is not the story I read when posting the above comment.
Johnny, The republicans don't have to do anything to make Barry look bad, He can do it all by Himself. He has already presided over the worst economic recovery in the history of The United States ! Spin it any way You want, that is a fact !
Republicans in congress have every intention of sabotaging our economy so as to make President Obama look bad. Has there been one single bill or issue that they havnt obstructed or feigned concern over?
Its very sad that they have enough party loyal constituents that would follow them right off a cliff. Our only chance as a country is to vote them out in 2014 and keep them out forever.
These Mother f-ers can't even pass a violence against women act. Vote 'em out.
mocking -- passed the house and senate last week, obama to sign tomorrow.
mocking.... you obviously don't know what you are talking about.
BUT... Just out of curiosity... Why do we even need a 'violence against women act'?
Isn't that discriminatory? Don't we already have laws that make violence (against anyone) illegal?
Why SO much special attention to so many various groups? Aren't our laws (all of them) there for the protection of EVERY citizen?
What we need to do is simply start enforcing the laws we already have.
(gee... that sounds familiar doesn't it? sounds like talks of immigration reform.)
Hey Sick Bickering - What do you have against women?
I for one appreciate having a little extra protection for women and children. The fact is, they are more often the targets of abuse and therefore need extra protection.
You're cold, dude.
chucky b
Why should any law favor any gender, race, or culture, any more than any other?
It's illegal to rape, beat up, or kill anyone, whether you are man or woman, black or white or otherwise, and that fact is regardless of gender and race of the victim.
Everyone is already afforded protection under the law, so again, why does any one race or gender get preference over any other?
Dougler, thanks for piling on with the ignorance. Why don't you tell us what VAWA does, and what you specifically have against it.
Because some people think that that doesn't pertain to them. You have to spell it out to them.
I have nothing against protecting women.....or the law itself.....but my question was clear, why does any law favor any gender or race over another? Shouldn't laws be created to protect victims regardless of the race or gender?
What rights does it afford victims, that they aren't already afforded under the current law? I'm not trying to be a jerk about it by any means, and I won't profess to knowing everything about it either, however, it seems to me we shouldn't have laws that allow for any gender or race be favored under any circumstance. A criminal act is a criminal act, and victims of those criminal acts should be afforded rights no matter their race or gender.
Have any of you actually read VAWA? Mork pork than Hormel.
@ Dougler
Further tearing at the social fabric of communities, a Native woman battered by her non-Native husband has no recourse for justice in tribal courts, even if both live on reservation ground. More than 80 percent of sex crimes on reservations are committed by non-Indian men, who are immune from prosecution by tribal courts.
The Minnesota Indian Women’s Resource Center says this gap in the law has attracted non-Indian habitual sexual predators to tribal areas. Alexandra Pierce, author of a 2009 report on sexual violence against Indian women in Minnesota, has found that there rapes on upstate reservations increase during hunting season. A non-Indian can drive up from the cities and be home in five hours. The tribal police can’t arrest him. On February 28, 2013, in a 286 to 138 vote, the House passed the Senate's all-inclusive version of the bill. House Republicans had previously hoped to pass their own version of the measure — one that substantially weakened the bill’s protections for certain categories. The stripped down version, which allowed only limited protection for LGBT and Native Americans, was rejected 257 to 166. [17] The renewed act expanded federal protections to gays, lesbians and transgender individuals, Native Americans and immigrants.[18][19]
Thanks for the info myvote..
So why wouldn't these people committing these crimes be held liable under normal us law? Because the tribal laws don't allow them to prosecute non-native americans, why does that exclude those acts under normal law, or does it? Are native americans not afforded the same rights under US Law regardless of their own tribal laws?
TheDougler...
You words are falling on deaf ears. They just don't understand the concept that the law is for all and all are equal under the law... if it is ENFORCED!
No... their's is a world of special rules for all. why? well, because we're all special! (of course)
Like you, I have nothing against women (even though these lunatics accuse me of that). I have women in my life that I love very much, and I would do all I could to protect any woman (or child, or man) that I saw being attacked or abused.
I am not so "cold" as accused. I merely ask why such special attention. We ALL have the same rights and protections here.
But as usual, here at FR, if you ask a sensible question you get attacked for being a monster. (SSDD)
SickOf, just look at me...im constantly attacked (me playing victim) and when i bite back with the same vitriol and vileness look up a few posts...water off a ducks back..makes me laugh....look at the NewYawker and Jethro and Femme portfolio. what a trifecta. lets petition for 'stricter' laws on law abiding citizens..meanwhile at the gang hideout, the criminals continue their illegal activity...im sure that law will stop them right...RIGHT???
MOLON LABE
Do all you idiots even know what the bill does?? Because everything you are all taking about has nothing to do with it.
It is there to see that certain agencies exist to support victims of violence. Not just rape, but domestic violence as well. It helps create places an abused woman can go with her children where they will be safe from continued abuse until they can make other arrangements for protection. It's set up for women because it is a fact that considerably more women are raped or abused than men are.
That's just a part of it. I suggest before any of you say another word about it that you go read it. Because it's really obvious that you all have no idea at all what it is.
Domestic violence laws are about empowering women, through the courts, to kick a man out of his home, to ban him from ever retrieving his property, and to steal his property by filing a false complaint with a judge behind closed doors and denying the accused any meaningful legal defense. Personal Protection Orders are the key to doing this, and it happens all the time. Of course, these laws are about as unconstitutional as it gets, and there are no penalties against women who use this system as a weapon of abuse against men, but anyone who points this out must be-- you guessed it-- a domestic abuser! *gasp!*
"Equal protection under the law" has become "special protection, to hell with the law!" thanks to man-hating feminists and their political lobbies. When are innocent men going to stand up for their rights by forming their own lobbies to counter this state-sponsored bigotry?
Johnny-3621820 read Robert Draper's book. It will clearly explain what the GOP/Teabeggers are still doing in 2013. The GOP/Teabegger "Caucus Conspiracy" of January 20, 2009 is now trying to be buried by the GOP/Teabeggers. We the people must not let this happen. Call your representatives and demand answers. Get out the vote for 2014! It is critical.
I seriously hope so.
Having either party in control of all three branches will lead to a complete collapse of this nation. That in turn will lead to a "reset." It will be bloody and ugly, but just look at these boards and tell me it doesn't need to happen.
I find it pretty disturbing that 1/3 of the elected legislators of the nation believe it's a good idea not to govern the country.
What a scam. Instead of telling and ordering everyone else what to do the government needs to close shop and go home where they belong. What a shell game.
boehner and obama probably slept together last night kissing each others ass, this is terrible. our government do not govern. obama has not had a budget yet, not even when he had the demo's inb both office's my God when is this POS goping to be a president instead of a tyrant gun grabbing ass, he has mini tanks nopw for his private army, 7000 ar15's for DHS personnel protection and ass biden wants our wives to use shotguns, (another Idiot) well i guess again obama will say he won, yep you won liar n chief. he was afraid he wouldn't get a ride to play golf if the whitehouse wasn't open for the public.
For all of you who think that the Dems haven't submitted a budget: Do not trust Boehner, or anything he says. He's a pathological liar. Look at whitehouse.gov to get the truth and the Dem's proposals. When he says that Obama got his tax hikes, he's referring to the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. Big deal. The Constitution only mentions money once. And it says that it is the responsibility of the House of Representatives to submit a budget. The constant whining Boehner does about the Senate or the President not submitting a budget is pure GNOP BS. Or, he doesn't know how to do his job. I sure as hell can't wait for 2014.
doug -- do you have an explanation as to why there has not been a budget bill as prescribed by law passed since obama became president? the democrats did control pretty much everything for his first two terms.
with your boehner comment i would ask that you look at obama in the same light and tell us he is not a liar.
the bush tax cuts ended a couple years ago when obama signed the bill extending them. it is amusing how for 10 years those bush tax cuts as they were known only were benefiting the rich but when obama wanted to extend them for the not rich nearly everyone in America benefited, go figure.
where in nw illinois?
BillyBob shoots...he scores!
The "Dems" have not participated in the budget process, and by Dems, I'm speaking towards Senate Democrats. The President has indeed submitted a budget proposal each year, though late, that does not reflect the "Dems" participating in the Budget process.
The Budget process does not originate in the House of Representatives. It is the responsibility of the House of Representatives to effectively get the paperwork moving towards actually creating a budget each year.
The budget process starts with the various federal agencies submitting budget requests to the President through the Office of Management and Budget.
the OMB organizes those requests and they are given to the President. This is how the President determines what he wants his budget to look like. Based on the requests of the Federal Agencies, and the desires of the President, the President then formulates his budget.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/06/17211596-house-votes-to-avert-shutdown-fund-us-through-sept?threadId=3679774&commentId=74650694#c74650694
Keep in mind, "Congress" includes both houses, the Senate and the House of Representatives.
After Congress receives the President's budget proposal this is what is supposed to happen:
Both houses are to create budget resolutions, there is to then be a conference committee made up of members of both houses that reconcile the differences between the two bills. At that point, both houses need to approve the final bill.
Then this happens:
It has been Senate Democrats inaction in the budget process that has required the Continuing Resolutions following the FY2009 budget that was signed by Obama on March 11, 2009 which included the additional stimulus spending.
Spending was greatly increased in that budget and has remained at those relatively high levels ever since through the Continuing Resolutions, as that was a better option than a government shut down.
So while the President has certainly submitted a budget, as he is required, Senate Democrats have not participated in the process.
Dougler -
You do know that when a liberal reads your post it will register like this...
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blame the GOP, Obama says so...blah blah blah blah blah blah Tea bags...blah blah blah blah Pelosi for Queen of the United States...blah blah blah blah...Republicans are obstructionist racist 1 percenters....blah blah blah blah...Michelle is going on vacation again...awesome!!! blah blah blah blah...
Billybob, somebody said you scored,,,,,NOT!!! The first two years with a Democratic house all the Republicans did was Filibuster day after day after day. They Filibustered more those 2 years that the Congress ever did since 1776 to that point in time. So take a long walk off a short pier. You missed.
Actually there is no record of daily fililbustering. I dont think it means what you think it means.
DRONES of both parties: You do realize that you are NOT arguing over cuts, right? Once again, Newspeak rules the day. The sequester dealt with a REDUCTION in INCREASES.
You have been successfully played (again)!
I said it 6dogs and do you know why they filibustered? Because Pelosi, Reid and they're ilk rammed through Obamacare because they said the minority Republicans could do nothing to stop it even though Democrats themselves could not explain what was in it. The democrats went absolutely ape@!$%#e before and after that with their spending those first two years and lost control of the House due to their spending like drunken sailors on a bender.
Even with the filibusters... Just imagine how far in debt we would be without them.
Oh that's right, debt is not in the liberal vocabulary.
What Frigging Clowns.
herein lies a perfect example of clear confusion. the line is "The GOP has no plan and just says no." Then the GOP, WITH 50 PLUS DEMS, vote to keep government working. And yet they are still the problem. Even though the POTUS has said for 2 months there are smarter ways to cut, like through discretion.
O and per a previous post, Obama didnt raise taxes on the rich, he just let a tax cut expire right? Just like the 2 percent SS holiday that ended. Or is it that he rose taxes on the "rich" but the SS just expired so we are back to normal? We lived, why cant the government? Washington Monument Syndrome.
John Boehner and his republican House are NOT to be trusted. The Washington GOP could care less about the plight of Americans, because in the long term they are out to discredit the President in order to save their a---es for 2014. Americans are not stupid, they will vote the GOP, whose terms will be up for re-election next year, out of office.
The unecessary damage they have caused our economy the last three years will catch up with them sooner or later at the ballot box!
They are the only ones putting proposals on the table and voting on them. The sen dems and the president have not proposed anything. The republicans are the only ones working in washington. I guess they are just like their constituants. the people the dems represent don't work just milk off the system like Obama and Reid. Don't worry the house GOP are safe. Remember the last election for Obama was 50\50. We who believe in the constitution and freedom in America are alive and well. Our representatives will be back.
sfox - stop listening to FOX. The Senate Democrats AND the President have made proposals. The GOP refuses to even vote on them!
seeking -- stop listening to msnbc. the house has sent budget bills to the senate and the democrats refuse to even vote on them.
so now we are even. what do you propose?
No it was Obama 51% and Romney 49%.
All the liberal wak jobs bashing the house republicans are you crazy??? They are the only ones who have done anything. The sen dems and the president have not proposed any legislation to avert the problems we are facing.
"Every month that we do not have an economic recovery package 500 million Americans lose their jobs."
Nancy Pelosi
That sounds like a Biden quote...hysterical!
had to look this up as i could not believe anyone could be so, shall we say, ignorant. and she said it twice back in 2009, once in a news conference where apparently no one was listening as she was not asked for clarification and then on tv when chris wallace of fox did ask if she meant something else.
And just where did you find that little piece of crap.
6dogs -- cnn. here is a youtube thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYtZKrcz-CE
500 million????? That's funny that you don't know what the population of the U.S. is
I noticed that not one of these Lib "news" organizations did not touch on the BS spouted by this administration and his cronies. So Ms. Napolitano goes out and tells the entire country that the only way they can cut is to employee pay and therefore the TSA will not work as it should. FACT: 2 days before the sequester the TSA spends $50 million on uniforms for the 50,000 employees. That is $1000 per employee per uniform. HHHMMMM......How many of you folks have their employers pay for what you wear to work? How many of you spend $1000 on 3 shirts, 2 pairs of pants, a pair of socks and a sweater?
But all you lefties are right...there really is nowhere to make any cuts in spending. What a complete JOKE!
Yeh, well craps as to be delt with even when a contract expires strange thing happen. You also fail to note that 400 jobs were created when the president signed the sequestor. Now, why did you leave that part out??
http://michellemalkin.com/2013/03/05/tsa-agents-uniforms/
So, proof positive that the sequestor had the opposite effects that the President himself road-showed about? Interesting, proving most ppl's points and all.
Hm, the government is probably going to end up collapsing at the rate it is going, they can't get along, they can't decide fully on anything. To be quite honest I think we need a clean slate and a voting to happen that is done by the people and not the electoral college. I would just love to have good decent none fibbing none scumbags in office, I don't care WHAT party they are from. Of course I am more likely to see a pink dancing elephant going down my street than that.
Ban political PARTIES!!! Sounds silly at first blush, but think about it . . .
If the Democratics would get their act together we could cut the run away spending. Tax every Corporation 100% of every dollar of profit they make over $100,000.00 and make it retroactive for the last 32 years.
Abolish all Federal Gun laws. Get rid of all Liberals and get Ultra Conservative Reps in both houses.
They wouldn't want to send any of their staffers home; their mistresses might get a short paycheck.