Jeb Bush lays down his marker… Don’t make TOO MUCH of Bush’s opposition to a path to citizenship (he worked on the book before that bipartisan Senate framework was announced)… The sequester’s political radioactivity and why Obama waved the white flag… NBC’s Andrea Mitchell interviews John Kerry… Bipartisan deal on legislation to curb gun trafficking… Another miss by a conservative media outlet?... Primary day in L.A. mayoral race… And Dems hit Cuccinelli with new website.
The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd talks with former Gov. Jeb Bush, R-Fla., about immigration, the GOP party and whether he will run for president in 2016.
*** Jeb Bush lays down his marker: With his new book and all the interviews he’s given over the past 24 hours (including to NBC News), former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is sending the signal he wants to be a key player in the political debates about immigration and the future of the Republican Party. And he’s not ruling out a potential 2016 bid, either. “I’ve accomplished some things in my life that allow me now to have that kind of discretion to be able to think about [a White House bid],” Bush told one us yesterday. Think about it: Had Hillary Clinton said what Bush did -- that is, leaving the 2016 door wide open -- it would have produced a political earthquake in Washington. Now this doesn’t mean that Bush will run (he still has to contend with his last name and being out of politics since 2006). And it also doesn’t mean he’d clear the field if he does run (but he would probably start out as the front-runner). But what Bush is doing is essentially saying, “Save a seat for me at the table,” whether it’s 2016 or the GOP’s future. And it is significant that, after nearly a decade of some Republicans asking (even begging) for Jeb to truly step into the national spotlight, he’s finally saying yes. Make no mistake: Every major Republican donor and power player in the country who prefers to be with a front-runner than a longshot now has to wait to see what Jeb’s going to do before signing on with someone else.
*** Don’t make TOO MUCH of Bush’s opposition to a path to citizenship: The big policy news from Bush’s new book on immigration reform, as well as from his numerous media interviews, is that he apparently opposes a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants. That pathway is something he’s supported in the past, and something that the bipartisan group of senators pushing for comprehensive reform has advocated. But as Bush points out, he was working on this book well before that bipartisan group produced its immigration framework containing a path to citizenship. “Remember this is a proposal that we attempted to put out prior to the election, to create a consensus for conservatives to actually get in the game,” Bush said in his interview with NBC News. (As National Journal’s Beth Reinhard writes, “In other words, Bush's party unexpectedly moved a lot faster than the book publishing world.”) Bush also said that a path to citizenship -- if it’s included in the final legislation -- isn’t a deal-breaker for him. “I think we need comprehensive reform. And if there is a path to citizenship that has enough of a realization that we have to respect the rule for law, then so be it.” Bush seems to be tacitly admitting that he was trying to craft a proposal that would get broad support from Republicans. As it turns out, many in the GOP moved faster to the citizenship idea than Bush thought. For more on where Bush sees the GOP, his brother’s legacy, Rick Scott, the Cuban-American vote in Miami and more, see the full interview on MSNBC’s “Daily Rundown” later this morning.

Eric Gay / AP
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush talks about education as he addresses the Texas Business Leadership Council, Tuesday, Feb. 26, 2013, in Austin, Texas.
*** The sequester’s political radioactivity: Want another reason why President Obama waved the white flag in the budget battle over the sequester, as well as the possibility of a government shutdown? A new CBS poll shows that Americans -- by just five percentage points -- place more blame on congressional GOPers (38%) for the difficulty in reaching a deal than on Obama (33%). In other words, Obama was only going to get hurt in a protracted battle with Republicans. Sure the GOP would be hurt more, but Obama would be dragged down. Our NBC/WSJ poll from last week seemed to suggest that. And this CBS survey backs that up. Watch for more of the White House pivot on to new topics later this week.
*** Andrea Mitchell’s interview with John Kerry: In an interview, NBC’s Andrea Mitchell presses newly installed Secretary of State John Kerry why the U.S. has not armed Syrian rebels. Kerry responded, “The president has put in place sanctions, the president has led an effort to try to pull together the Syrian opposition, identify it, clarify it- get it unified, to speak with one voice, and NOW the president has raised the American engagement to the level of giving directly to the Syrian opposition and the Syrian military.” He also continued to call for a “diplomatic resolution,” urging Assad to “negotiate.” “The president is also, I think, determined to make sure that the United States do its part going forward to help define a diplomatic resolution,” Kerry said. “We don't want this killing. President Assad could quickly decide to come to the table and negotiate.” On Iran, Kerry said, “President Obama's preference clearly stated, is to ask the Iranians to come to the table in good faith, in mutual respect and do what they say they're doing.” And on Dennis Rodman and North Korea, Kerry quipped, “Dennis Rodman was a great basketball player, and as a diplomat, he was a great basketball player. And that's where we'll leave it.”
*** Bipartisan deal on legislation to curb gun trafficking: A bipartisan group of senators has reached a deal on a bill that would make it a federal crime to buy a gun for someone who isn't legally allowed to own one, NBC's Kasie Hunt reports. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy announced the agreement on the Senate floor last night. As Hunt explains, illegal gun “straw” purchases -- made by a buyer on behalf of someone who cannot pass a background check -- are often not prosecuted under current law, usually because conducting such a sale yields such a weak penalty. "Instead of a slap on the wrist or treating this like a paperwork violation, these crimes under our bill would be punishable by up to 25 years in prison," said Republican Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), who is a co-sponsor of the legislation. Other co-sponsors are: Sens. Mark Kirk (R-IL), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), Dick Durbin (D-IL), and Richard Blumenthal (D-CT). Hunt adds that the Senate Judiciary Committee will take up the trafficking bill on Thursday, when it also plans to consider three other pieces of gun control legislation -- an assault-weapons ban, a school-safety measure and a bill to require background checks for all gun buyers. By the way, after some momentum, there is some concern among supporters of the expanded background check bill that attempts to get a broad bipartisan consensus in the Senate is losing speed.
As he starts a tour to publicize his new book about immigration reform, former Florida governor Jeb Bush is initiating a tough conversation about his party's inability to reach minority voters. NBC's Chuck Todd reports.
*** Another miss by a conservative media outlet? Just a couple of weeks ago, it was the debunked Friends of Hamas story. Now it’s this, via the Washington Post. “An escort who appeared on a video claiming that Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) paid her for sex has told Dominican authorities that she was instead paid to make up the claims and has never met or seen the senator, according to court documents and two people briefed on her claim. The woman said a local lawyer had approached her and a fellow escort and asked them to help frame Menendez and a top donor, Salomon Melgen, according to affidavits obtained by The Washington Post.” While this news doesn’t exculpate Menendez from his ties to Melgen and while the conservative Daily Caller is standing behind its original story about the prostitutes, this Washington Post story is a reminder about the important role the Mainstream Media still plays. Beat up the MSM all you want, but there’s a reason why even partisan sides wait and see if the MSM can confirm stories in the anything-goes world of partisan websites. The MSM actually has the resources to check out a story. And trust us, many a news organization didn’t just take someone’s word for it regarding Menendez -- we checked it out. And now we know why no significant news organization could verify the claims. Ironically, had Menendez himself not brought up the specifics of the allegations against him, there would even have been serious coverage of these prostitution allegations.
*** I Love L.A. (We love it!): Bored with the battle over sequester? Want instead a race involving accusations of corruption, bankruptcy, gender politics, Will Ferrell, grave-digging, even drilling for oil in Beverly Hills? Then pay attention to today’s free-for-all primary in Los Angeles’ mayoral contest, where these backs-and-forths have been taking place for weeks, as one of us wrote yesterday. The race to succeed term-limited L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa pits City Councilman Eric Garcetti (D), City Controller Wendy Greuel (D), conservative talk-show host Kevin James (R), and City Councilwoman Jan Perry (D). If no one gets more than 50% of the vote, the top-two finishers -- regardless of party -- advance to a May 21 runoff. A recent USC/L.A. Times poll found Garcetti as the narrow front-runner with 27%, just ahead of Greuel at 25%. Polls close at 11:00 pm ET.
*** Dems hit Cuccinelli: As Politico writes, the Virginia Democratic Party is out with website hitting Republican gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli for his national ambitions, including speaking at an Iowa dinner and at CPAC later this month. The website’s not-so-subtle suggestion: Cuccinelli is more interested in his national ambitions than Virginia. Since he first ran for governor in 2009, Republicans have hit Terry McAuliffe for not being enough of a Virginian. But this seems to be the counter to that – that Cuccinelli is more interested in the national scene than Virginia. And Cuccinelli brought this attack upon himself by his decision to have a national rollout for his book, including interviews in some of the key presidential primary states. This book rollout has been a bit sloppy.
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frist, tee hee, Jeb Bush, really? Hasn't this country been punished enough with Bush's. My God, how much can one country take. First George H.W. ( no new taxes) then W. who never met a war nor an expense he didn't like and now Jeb. Who's only claim to fame seems to be he is a Bush., Gov. of Fla. who made corrupt elections his priority. Say no to Jeb, say no to the tea bags, and until they rid themselves of these racist should not be elected to anything.
Taxes On The Rich Near 30-Year High: Tax Policy Center
Ruh-roh.
Lefty liberals are NOT gonna like this headline from HuffPo.
And they are absolutely going to HATE the conclusions from the lefty liberal Tax Policy Center study that generated this headline!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"My sense is that high-income people feel abused by being targeted always for more taxes," Roberton Williams, a fellow at the Tax Policy Center, said. "You can understand why they feel that way."
OUCH!!!!
The Tax Policy Center is a joint venture of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute. It doesn’t get much more lefty liberal than that.
Here are a few excerpts (emphasis added):
Taxes On The Rich Near 30-Year High: Tax Policy Center
By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER 03/03/13 12:55 PM ET EST
WASHINGTON — The poor rich.
With Washington gridlocked again over whether to raise their taxes, it turns out wealthy families already are paying some of their biggest federal tax bills in decades even as the rest of the population continues to pay at historically low rates.
President Barack Obama and Democratic leaders in Congress say the wealthy must pay their fair share if the federal government is ever going to fix its finances and reduce the budget deficit to a manageable level.
A new analysis, however, shows that average tax bills for high-income families rarely have been higher since the Congressional Budget Office began tracking the data in 1979. Middle- and low-income families aren't paying as much as they used to.
For 2013, families with incomes in the top 20 percent of the nation will pay an average of 27.2 percent of their income in federal taxes, according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a research organization based in Washington. The top 1 percent of households, those with incomes averaging $1.4 million, will pay an average of 35.5 percent.
Those tax rates, which include income, payroll, corporate and estate taxes, are among the highest since 1979.
The average family in the bottom 20 percent of households won't pay any federal taxes. Instead, many families in this group will get payments from the federal government by claiming more in credits than they owe in taxes, including payroll taxes. That will give them a negative tax rate.
"My sense is that high-income people feel abused by being targeted always for more taxes," Roberton Williams, a fellow at the Tax Policy Center, said. "You can understand why they feel that way."
The middle 20 percent of U.S. households – those making an average of $46,600 – will pay an average of 13.8 percent of their income in federal taxes for this year, according to the Tax Policy Center. Over the past three decades, the average federal tax rate for this group has been about 16 percent.
You see it on the news all the time. Kid goes nuts. Kills his family because they were mean to him. He knew everything and they wouldn't listen to him. Runs off and kills some more folks and then kills himself. We will ask: "Why didn't he just kill himself; why did he have to kill so many other people?"
Well, there's another one of these kids running around right now, and the kid should be tethered in a basement, because he's getting ready to kill his family, and then he's coming after us. It's the Teabag Kid. He's dumber than a box of hair AND he's crazy; a lethal combination.
The Teabag Kid was born just about the time of the Bush Administration. Things were going pretty good, and the kid thought he had done all this by himself. Dad was spending money like a drunk; tax cuts - enormous ones for the rich, checks for millions of people, "free" drugs, and two nasty foreign incursions. Dad spoiled the kid rotten...really rotten. Well, it wiped out the treasury and then some.
At the same time, a wave of greed, unseen since the Depression swept over the country. Home prices skyrocketed and home sales boomed. Everybody was making money, and the unregulated financial services sector fed the frenzy with easy money. Fannie and Freddie helped out. What could go wrong?
Well, everything. By 2008, the economy was crashing and unemployment was skyrocketing. It looked like a recession, but it was really a full-scale depression. Government programs hid that nasty fact. Food stamps were soup kitchens. Unemployment insurance kept income up. The Stimulus pumped money into the economy. Trillions of dollars - no one knows how much - was shoveled to the criminal element that ran the banks.
Enter the Democrats, and immediately, Dad Boehner and his rotten-to-the-core Teabag Kid attack the new President. He was stupid. Only Republicans knew what to do. More money for the rich, and you could trust Twilight Zone residents Cornyn, McConnell, Boehner, McCarthy, and Cantor. Borrow money and give it to the rich. Deficits? No problem. St. Dick of Cheney said they didn't matter.
By now, the Teabag Kid is out of the basement and screaming at Dad Boehner that he's going to hold his breath until he turns blue. This bothers the neighbors and Boehner says it's all someone else's fault. In fact, it's everyone's fault but his. The Teabag Kid is on a rampage. The Head of the House is afraid of him. He's too embarrassed to ask his neighbors for help, so he does exactly what you'd expect. He runs away. Meantime, the kid has set fire to the House, and is threatening all the neighbors.
So, neighbors: Do we want to ask, "Why didn't he just kill himself, why did he have to kill so many other people?" Or do we do what we must do and get this whack job back into the basement as soon as possible?
Sounds like your narrating a National Geographic special on feline behavior! ;o)
Nothing better to remind us of 12 years of total incompetence then the name "Bush"!
His campaign slogan would be;
Bush 3.0 we fooled you once, shame on us, we'll fool you again, shame on YOU, we won't be fooled again!
Albanian idiot:
Explain this strange contradiction. The rich continue to get richer. That's a fact. Do remember, some of us actually understand arithmetic.
I keep wondering how many times you'll be called out as either an ignoramus or a flat-out liar before you realize you are a laughing stock?
Actually, the truth be told, tax rates were the highest during the 1950s.
David Wanker from yesterday’s FT:
So, the Albanian idiot, who loves to regale us with his financial acumen, is ever so right because the effects of sequester didn't smack the economy in the face at the stroke of midnight. The beloved market gets it AI. You don't.
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Wanker: Is that your explanation of why the Dow and S&P 500 are a few points away from all time highs??
Moron.
From the Urban Dictionary: Wanker - A British term for “one who masturbates”.
Yeah, that describes David Wanker’s posts perfectly: mental masturbation.
Obama waived the White Flag, Say it ain't so Bro.
Still wasting your time defending the rich are you Joe. Did you ever stop to think you're the only one that cares. But please continue, as long as you're trying to defend the rich we don't have to put up with the rest of your garbage.
Get ready for the jealous tea people republican bashing Johbntho. You know how they hate it when their not first.
I suggest if Jeb Bush has any thoughts of perhaps running for President in 2016, that he might want to reconsider his opposition to Legalizing Immigration. Times have changed, even the Republicans think about a road to Citizenship for Latinos. Without their support he stands no chance. They've become too powerful. And, who do you think wants another BUSH in the White House? Right. No one.
Glad to see some positive movement on gun control. 25 years in jail sounds much more fitting than a slap on the wrist.
Walker- the rich continue to get richer
Well, no sh!t Sherlock. That's why they are rich.
Did you expect the rich to continue to get poorer?
Jesus, talk about a laughing stock.
The Bush name is poison. Remember 41 lost as an incumbent and that's not easy to do. Bush 41 is seen by many as one of the worst, if not the worst president of all times. Remember -- Republicans didn't want either of the as their last convention.
I honestly don't know much about Jeb Bush but he has two strikes on him when he comes to bat simply because of his name. And you know he's will have to defend his brother -- not an easy task.
OH My!
We'll be waiting for all of the nasty little trolls who spread their filth about Senator Menendez to apologize!
We just won't be holding our breaths!
See what happens when you practice the art of character assasination prior to knowing all the facts?
Fools...
Feisty said:
OK...that made me laugh pretty hard. Thanks Feisty! ;-)
The sad thing is that in all honesty, I think Jeb Bush would have made the best President out of all of them. But, fair or not, his last name would make campaigning against him very easy and I'd have a hard time seeing how he could win.
Jebberish...we should not listen to.
Was he the one who disappeared in a giant sink-hole under his bed. I am glad he re-emerged. But I am not interested in his nonsense...on the issue of immigration I agree more with his bother George W Bush who has had more common sense on this issue.
Actually the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, is a great threat to capitalism, and something needs to be done to correct, IMHO
Albanian idiot:
I see you can't answer the little conundrum I put out there for you. The rich, you say, are paying more in taxes. Yet the facts say we have more millionaires and billionaires than ever before. You can't explain it without giving the President his due. You ain't got squat in your intellectual quiver.
The explanation for the rise in the Dow, which just pisses you off, has a two-fold explanation. First, and this really pisses you off, is that President Obama has been quite successful, even as Republicans have tried to thwart him. The second reason is that the money boys know that Congress is gutless and will use CR's to keep money flowing.
Calling me names won't do much to refute those points. In fact it won't do anything but confirm what most of us know. You really are an idiot.
Johntho, what this country doesn't need is another Bush in the White House. The Bush family's phony dynasty is 0-2 in the White House, I don't believe America is ready to try for 0-3. Always good to see a liberal "frist" on First Thoughts.
David W, well said. What little bit of respect I had left for Jeb Bush after his 2000 election-stealing efforts disappeared completely when he threw aside his long-held belief in a pathway to citizenship to instead give the Tea Party/John Birchers a big hug and kiss. That's not the way to lead the GOP back from its self-destructive path, that aids the destruction.
geo, it ain't so. But no bro, my bro's all have intelligence.
Joey --Tax rates for the top bracket are roughly half of what they were in the 70's and early 80's.
Have the rates come down that much for the lower and middles classes? NO.
If we need more revenue to combat the deficits, go after Corporations rather than citizens, IMHO. Corporations sitting on record profits...
Rot Roh - this is going make some wealthy elite happy. The rich are getting richer.
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/forbes-billionaires-list-gets-bigger-richer-too-1C8644803
And not only that - apparently, tax increases aren't going to curb their spending habits.
http://lifeinc.today.com/_news/2013/03/05/17183103-rich-will-keep-spending-despite-higher-taxes-for-now?lite
Why, simply look at this sad, sad story about some poor but wealthy CEO only getting a paltry $56m golden parachute.
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/heinz-ceo-could-see-56-million-golden-parachute-1C8687074
Joe's citation includes this little gem:
Well, I think we all know that since 1979, income inequality has gone through the stratosphere. While the average income earner earns a little over a whopping $45k per year, the high-end income earners earn that in 2-3 hours. So folks, when you have all the wealth trickling up (who are we kidding here - that's a gusher), one would naturally expect the taxable portion of that to also trickle up. I wouldn't spend to much time feeling sorry for those poor, poor rich folk.
Now, should we talk about how those wealthy, who are the supposed job creators. Seems they are falling down on the job and are too busy on spending sprees to create jobs.
Grimey,
Jeb is NOT going to run, he is dangling the shiny object to SELL his book and the MSM is falling for it, hook, line & sinker...
PS: Glad I gave you a giggle! ;o)
White Collar Auto, who is still unable to explain how he and his fellow executive types and boardroom denizens were outfoxed by all those nasty union thugs, asks:
In light of the Albanian idiot's contention that the rich are being so onerously burdened with higher taxes nearing Reagan-like numbers, one might expect them to be getting poorer. But, like AI, you can't deal with reality either.
As I correctly noted, the rich are not being negatively affected at all. They continue to amass wealth at the expense of the not-so-wealthy, and bucko, we all know that group includes you and the Albanian idiot.
Now, about that demand you made:
To add to your incredibly limited information about history, Jesus is long gone, so he will be unable to talk about a laughing stock. However, if you read the incisive posts I have written above, you can include yourself in the category of laughing stock to which I referred. You don't get it either.
Lil - that is capitalism. As Lil Joe said yesterday, ain't capitalism great?
Media lays down its own false marker--since when is it considered "waving the white flag" to continue pushing for a deal to stop the sequester and halt the next self-inflicted fiscal crisis before it arrives? Speaker Boehner could have been depicted as "waving a white flag" yesterday only the First Read didn't use those words.
President Obama, unlike the GOPTPers in the House, is not willing to risk the economic recovery we have seen since the great collapse of 2008 by refusing to work with the opposition. I'd hardly call that waving a white flag but rather I'd call it "Common Sense", I'd call it doing what is right for the country not his personal gain. Meanwhile over at Boehner's House, it's all about fear of being primaried, fear of losing the next election IGNORING that we elected them to work for We the People, not work at the next election.
Johntho - Speaking of intelligence which obvious you lack. The public finally woke up and found out, Obama has cost the Middle Class $4,500 a year, Income has droped to it's lowest level in 20 years, they will have a $1,000 or more cut for their pay with the new Social Security tax. All the while Obama wants to continue to buy votes with their money, pathetic. Maybe thats why he gave up! And the press FINALLY called out his lies! The Middle Class is out over $5,500 a year with Obama, and he can't cut anywhere?
WCA - Yes, that is the goal The poor stay poor and the rich get poor.
The Liberals "so quick to judge" and forget the facts easily. Jeb Bush is one of the few politicians qualified to speak on the immigration woes as his own wife is an Mexican and Jeb speaks fluent spanish.
geo -- Writes:
That's not a NEW Social Security tax. The TEMPORARY tax break expired, yoggie. Do us all a favor and PLEASE go back to school.
DOW Jones Industrial Average hits record High 14,215.19...highest ever since 1896 DOW started
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Feisty nailed it.
There's no way Jeb will run. Too much would come out about his involvement and investments post-Katrina with some of the debris removal contractors who then subbed out their contracts to other supporter controlled companies (many of which went belly-up stiffing the local companies/people doing the work). And it's pretty much all public record if you're willing to dig.
WTF?
You do realize immigration reform reaches far wider then those dreaded "Mexicans" don't you?
*sigh*
David....can you explain to the rest of us how the stock market is the correct metric in which to measure the state of the economy? I thought that the economy was fueled by the middle class. With unemployment being as high as it is, record numbers of citizens accepting food stamps, and people screaming where are the jobs, I would say that the economy is not in good shape in spite of the stock market. The stock market is one of the reasons why the rich continue to get richer.
On another note, I would say that Jeb Bush did an outstanding job as the governor of Florida. If it weren't for term limits then he would still hold that position. I would hope that people would base their judgements of Jeb Bush's abilities on his accomplishments and history and not simply on his last name. I however know better than that and due to derisive partisan politics he doesn't stand a chance. Very sad what our country has become.
Jeb's wife has picture's of the Alamo hanging on her wall, that was a big victory for Mexico ???
Don't carry it all - Ok Idiot, will the average Middle Class worker have $5,500 less to spend this year alone? And Obama can't figure out why no one gives a sh1t about the guvment having 85 billion less to spend! The Middle Class takes a 10% cut up the ass, and Obama can't stand less than a 2% cut.
Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Springfield, USA
Turns out he's a flip-flopper like Romney. Last year he explicitly said he was for a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Now he's explicitly saying he's against it, obviously to appease the Tea Party. Just like Romney, he's an ultraconservative who's trying to fool moderates to vote for him. Romney failed to bamboozle enough people to win, and I doubt Bush will either. Being the brother of the president historians consider the fifth worst in history won't help this Bush, either.
Voter in LA!
Jeb has enough junk in his trunk to fill a football stadium. Who can ever forget, Terry Shiavo circus starring Jeb as the ringleader"?
Stocks reach record high. I am guessing people are buying stuff up in order to short sell in the near future but I am not economist. Wish this middle class person had the money to make money, I just have to work for it I guess.
Can I see Jeb's Birth Certificate !!!
Another Bush in the White House is very scary after the disastrous failure of the last one. But if Jeb decides not to run there are always Bush II daughters that can be president for those who can't stand not to have a bush in their face.
no more bush no more clinton.
Timely op-ed from USA Today concerning the highs being reached by the stock market. It's a bit scary when they are quoting Warren Buffet and the head of the Dallas Fed.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/03/04/federal-reserve--quantitative-easing/1963539/
Sounds like at some point the Fed is going to have to reverse course...and when it does, the markets may be in for a steep decline. :-(
Gil, please explain why Jeb Bush threw Latinos under the bus in order to appeal to the Tea Party/John Birchers. Jeb Bush can't have it both ways which is what he's trying to do. The very fact that he flip/flopped from his long-held view supporting a path to citizenship to say now that he doesn't support a pathway to citizenship; then adds it's not a deal breaker is forked-tongue speak.
Grimey, it is scarey. I've said for years, long before the 2008 economic collapse, that Greenspan kept interest rates artificially low for far too long which ultimately led to the housing bubble/crash, etc.
Oh for God’s sake, Hasn’t your Family Done Enough Damage to this Country?
From the article above:
Yes.
It’s called a huge, steaming pile of………
We now interrupt this program for the following message:
“I don't think a party can aspire to be the majority party if it's the old white guy party.”
Jeb Bush
Salud
Joe in Albany - as usual, you post LONG diatribes with nothing to them, then whine when David Walker shows you up - which he ALWAYS does.
Then in 1.6 you prove again that in order to be Republican you must be crude, classless and intellectually challenged! Bingo - you're in!
Feisty - snowing like crazy downtown and I have a funeral to go to today. :-(
Seriously-lotsanumbers asks:
Seriously, that is an excellent question. No, I cannot explain how or why the stock market is the correct metric by which to measure the state of the economy. It has some minor relevance, but not much.
I don't come here as much as I once did, but if you had read some of my previous posts, you would know I cannot pass up an opportunity to tweak the Albanian idiot who seems to think the market - the Dow specifically - is the golden benchmark of all things economic.
There are far more appropriate variables that determine whether the economy is performing at a sufficient level: velocity of money, savings, durable goods, and many, many more. The market, in my opinion, is little more than a casino and the games are rigged.
I truly hope you are here as more than a troll. I'd love to see you come here to debunk right-wing talking points.
Jeb, your big brother George destroyed your family's reputation, the best remedy for Jeb is to relieve himself !!!
Geo,
That 2% was a deal that expired in the Social Security measure. Obama had asked and got the Social Security rate people paid lowered from 6.2 to 4.2 percent in order to help in the recovery. It was a deal Congress approved of. The deal expired at the first of the year and the rate went back up to 6.2.
So, a $50,000 a year worker pays the same rate as they did 3 years ago. A $1000 a year. A $100,000 pays $2000 a year addition. Also, the same rate.
So, bottom line the average tax payer rate has not gone up $5500.
Joe in Albany -
I noticed you posted the portions of the article that you agreed with, but left off the part that actually explained the reason for the "increase". Do you work for Fox News?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
he's not so much a wanker as he is a Poseur. Hey Davey, I gave you the definition of socialism last week, did the definition not make you happy?
Hey les miserable Liberals
Life be Irie
DCIA, geo obviously failed school the first time, would you expect any different from a republican, he is so dumb he actually thinks Obama is the one costing him. Hey geo, Obama is paying Bush's bills, he has no choice and so are the rest of us. So until you learn something about how it works, why don't you just F- off and and go dump.
As reported in an explosive exposé by Steve Brill in Time Magazine, the skyrocketing costs of Medicare are largely due to the price gouging by the health care industry at hospitals, such as the Tylenol tablet the nurse gives you that can cost you a hundred times more than what it would cost if you bought the same tablet yourself at the drug store.
The Republicans are screaming about how Medicare costs are going to lead to a fiscal doomsday, and they are demanding draconian budget slashing in response, but they've been strangely silent about Brill's article. The Democrats have been almost as quiet. Maybe it has something to do with the enormous sums of money that the health care industry spends on lobbying -- more than even the oil industry. Money may be "speech" as the Supreme Court has decreed, but it apparently, it can also buy a whole lot of silence.
Johntho the Ignorant - 4 years later and all you got is blame bush, what a moron!
Seeking,
Same here with the snow!
Sorry to hear about the funeral! ;o(
The Bush brand is damaged beyond repair. If Jeb runs and wins the presidential nomination, it makes the Democratic candidate a prohibitive favorite to win the next presidential election regardless of who runs for them.
Finally, a common sense statement from a Bush! In making this statement, Jeb Bush demonstrated courage, integrity, and decency. By contrast, the Obama Administration's rank and insulting pandering to the immigration lawbreakers and their insufferable advocates represents a sell out of American and LEGAL immigrant workers!!!!!
A recent Reuters' poll found that the majority of Americans want either most of all ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS DEPORTED! We simply cannot afford to support ILLEGALS, who are largely poor and uneducated. Further, it is insulting to LEGAL immigrants to create a scheme by which ILLEGALS have an easier time breaking the law that the LEGAL immigrants have in complying with our laws! Rewards and special treatment for immigration lawbreaking is WRONG and UNACCEPTABLE. This scheme, continuously promoted by the Obama Administration, is patently unfair and objectionable to fair-minded AMERICAN CITIZENS.
A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!
geo -- You are simply lying when you say things like NEW Social Security tax and add in decline of wages to put a figure out there to pin it on President Obama. It's been explained over and over again to you. Middle class wages have been either stagnant or declining for decades. Additionally, when the Great Recession hit, workers were forced to take pay cuts and many lost their good paying job and were forced to go work another job for less pay.
Are you saying President Obama, then Senator Obama, caused the Great Recession? How about the "Right to Work" laws that have significantly lowered wages? Did President Obama push for those laws? Are you trying to suggest that decades long decline is his fault too? You're either ignorant or lying. Neither is excusable.
Caesar Augustus writes:
Actually, no you didn't. You put out several, one of which was some sort of poppycock courtesy of Lenin. The point to be understood - which you cannot - in these discussions is that labels like Communism, Capitalism, Socialism and the like have little in common with practice. They're concepts. However, what they all DO have in common is how resources are allocated. In EVERY case, in the final analysis, that allocation is determined by a relatively small group. How that group gains and holds power is the real issue.
So take your idiotic labels and stuff 'em. They're worthless. Our democratic republic, or whatever label you like, has chosen a mix of of -ism's that have served us well, failing only when greedy bastards are handling resource allocation.
Ever wonder how it is that Albany Joe can stop here every day to tell us how great he's doing in the stock market then yell President Obama is a terrible president, and is doing everything wrong, the country is going down the drain, yada yada yada? Guess the Braggadocio doesn't recognize his head is spinning as he tries to it both ways just like Jeb Bush.
ANGELICA S., how it is that President Obama has deported more illegals than any previous president, brought laws suits against more employers who knowingly hire illegals than any other president and still be, as you falsely claim, PANDERING? I'd suggest you get your information from a more reliable source.
Job1,
Geo just makes up numbers or picks them out of thin air.
Thank you for setting the record straight.
Jethro, I picked up my Tactical Assault looking SKS yesterday. want to swing by this weekend and fire off a few rounds..i promise the limp in your wrist will disappear
7.62X39 is a b*tch to find right now though...maybe you can pick some up bring and bring some over
perhaps Einstein, its not defined by just one word...So yes i gave you what you wanted and this was the best retort you have...FAIL...
Poseur, remember:
'Life's hard, it's even harder when you're stupid.'
I wouldn't spend to much time trying to explain the concept of a tax holiday to Geo. He is of the ilk that when vacation is over, is pissed because he is expected to return to work.
FR:
When did Obama "wave the white flag," and exactly what does that mean? First I've heard about this. It would be nice if First Read explained what the heck they're talking about before jumping head first into their usual speculations about political winners and losers.
The rich feel ill-used? Cry me an effin river!!! I remember when tax rates were 70%. The pity party was ill-advised even then. I keep watching for this trickle-down effect I keep hearing about.
Gil, I believe Jeb Bush's wife is Colombian. I also believe that the Bush name should still be radioactive in 2016. If this is Bush-Clinton II, it won't be pretty.
Kind of like Obama on Gay Marriage? OOps I forgot, he evolved, just like on the DREAMERS. No politics there.
...and I don't even need to go into the money-for-access flip-flop that is OFA, nor the I was taking Federal money for elections before I was against it.
Dont carry it all - All I know is what I read. Median Income for the Middle Class down $4,500 under OBAMA, lowest income in 20 years under OBAMA, Unemployment RISING under OBAMA, A flat last quarter under OBAMA, lowest Union membership in decades under OBAMA, and so on. And the simple fact that the Middle Class this year under OBAMA WILL HAVE $5,500 less to spend, do you think that will hurt the economy?
David Walker
BRAVO!!!
(Standing Ovation)
Salud
geo, you slimy toad, here is a hint for you. IT IS GEORGE W. BUSH'S FAULT. You have got to be the dumbest rock in the pile. Nobody, not even you should be that stupid and allowed to breath the same air, that normal folks do. Go away, and be stupid some place else. Try Iran.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Who can ever forget, Terry Shiavo circus starring Jeb as the ringleader"?
Feisty - thanks for reminding everyone of this hideous event. It's things like this that show us a man's true character.
geo -- That's what happens in a GREAT RECESSION, unemployment goes up, wages get cut and growth is impeded. All thanks to the Republicans who sat around marveling over the wonderful "economy" they had created. The decline in Union membership is a direct result of union busting measures the Republicans have put in place across this country. Go THANK a Republican for this mess, geo. They created it!
You may read but you don't understand a damn thing! Learn to examine the WHY.
Geo,
I would have to question what you read. However, I would agree in lowest Union membership in decades under OBAMA. But, that has nothing to do with Obama. Instead Republican office holders and big business have been out to crush the Unions for years.
Not to mention, Republican office holders and big business have been out to cash in on profits while failing in policies to reward the working class.
Geo,
Total Bullsh!t!! Everyday you come up with another lie. I mean who are you trying to convince with those lies you tell. Probably nobody but yourself, stupid idiot.
The social security tax break expired, I repeat little dummy "Expired". Thats not a Tax increase made by Obama. The 2% tax holiday does not cost an average middle class workers no where near $5,500. It is only 2% of their income.
Geo the idiot can't do simple MATH. Laughable!!
Even considering Feisty Red's apparent dislike for the previous bush presidents, I believe her regard for Dubya and Cheney is much higher than my own. That was the worst administration in history. They far outstripped the pathetic failure that was the Jimmy Carter administration -- a feat I was (wrongly) sure could never be accomplished. If they had planned, in a bunker deep beneath the Cheney hunting grounds, with their most evil and powerful cronies how to destroy the world, by bringing down the then-great United States of America, the Cheney cabal could not have mapped out a strategy that could be nearly as effective as the one they actually executed -- starting by allowing the killing of 3000 Americans on our own soil, then allowing the perpetrator to go unpunished throughout the entire tenure of their administration (all while, as we have seen from some of the worst despots in history, assuring us that it was they -- and only they -- who could keep us safe from the boogeyman)-- all while handing billions of our dollars to his landlord (their big buddy, General Musharaf)-- and going way, way, downhill from there -- to, and including destroying our precious former economic structures, all as they enriched -- not business in general, but -- the businesses of their insider friends. They left us in a nuclear winter of their own doing as they scurried out of Washington. Our banks, markets, manufacturing base, technological incubators, hospitals, and schools were left in flames. All that said, I believe Dubya was a puppet in the hands of his evil (or grossly incompetent -- does it matter?) keepers. He was hand-picked by them purely because of his failures, that they knew could be easily controlled. On the other hand, Jeb was NOT selected by them -- intentionally so. He had no role in their destructive reign, and they liked it that way. I believe Dubya was the Fredo of the Bush family, and that Jeb is likely Michael. I believe he could be a credible, and good candidate for the presidency, bloodlines notwithstanding.
Feisty - you mean like they did when the 'Friends of Hamas" story turned out to be fabricated? The only consistent action by the right-wing nut jobs on this site is they love to swarm around false stories like flies on @!$%#.
It's not "just" another Bush in the White House, it would be all of them back in there trying to finish the other Bush's job of getting revenge, drilling more oil in Iraq or who knows where, claiming someone attempted to hurt one of the other Bush's, etc.
I'm sure the Bushes know they don't have the vote to get back in, but they're really good a cheating.
Jody (#1.61)-- You need to obtain your information from a more reliable source! While the figures on Obama's deportations are disputed (he apparently includes those turned away at the border), since he commenced his public campaign of pledging rewards and special treatment for immigration lawbreakers, he has: (1) instructed ICE not to deport millions of ILLEGALS (thus representing a subversion of federal law), (2) deportations are down more recently, (3) he has granted de facto amnesty to ILLEGALS below age 30 through his executive order (also a circumvention of Congress and a definance of existing federal law), (4) last week it came to light that the DHS released THOUSANDS of ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS who were on track for deportation (these ILLEGALS have committed criminal acts beyond those crimes related to their immigration lawbreaking). These actions are insulting to any thinking American and also to LEGAL immigrants who played by the rules, paid a high price, and waited a long wait to come to the U.S.
What is unacceptable about Obama's actions is that he has pledged to subvert federal law by refusing to enforce Congressional enactments related to immigration. This has not happened previously. I voted for O in '08, but not in '12 because of his rewards for lawbreaking agenda. ILLEGALS and the blackmarket labor scheme that accompanies them are imposing extraordinary financial costs upon American taxpayers. Further, it is poorer and middle class Americans that suffer the most! Reagan's 1986 Amnesty (which was passed by Congress) is Exhibit A evidencing the fact that granting rewards and special treatment for immigration lawbreaking only incentivizes exponentially millions more immigration lawbreakers (not to mention the fraud that accompanied it).
Your partisanship and blind allegiance is warping your sense of reason and judgment!
Excellent Reddev, These idiots conservative/obama haters are so easily manipulated
geo, I doubt you can read with understanding since you show absolutely no intelligence nor common sense. Under Obama? The Bush recession and its repercussions were staved off by Obama, we could be looking at 25% unemployment and that would really lower the middle class wages. But don't let common sense and the ability to think beyond the right wing talking heads that you obviously admire get in your way. IT IS/WAS BUSH'S Fault.
I agree with this one billion percent! sorry Jeb even if you DID run, you'll be treated with the utmost disdain, just because of your last name.
Personally I liked George Bush as a person, I never voted for him though, mostly because of Cheney.
Feisty, if Hilary doesn't run in 2016 who are y'all lookin at?
PLEASE America, Please do not allow another Busch to further destroy our country. I didn't read the article and I didn't read any of the comments, just seeing Jeb Busch's name brought chills to my spine. Busch senior started a half-a$$ed war, and didn't finish it, Busch junior was given the election by his brother Jeb, then the Florida governor. As bad as Busch junior was in his first four years, the blind Americans elected him to a second term. I didn't vote for any Busch ever, but didn't think Busch could screw up any more than he already had. I was wrong. Jeb Busch, as governor of Florida, made it what it is today, and that's almost uninhabitable. And he's a coward. When a hurricane was supposed to hit Florida, he was in such a hurry to fly across the Gulf to Texas, he forgot to shut down the toll booths exiting the state, so every vehicle had to stop and pay a toll, backing up traffic and impeding the mass exit. He left the lieutenant governor to look out for the state, but she didn't have the authority to anything. And, big issues with a mass transit system that was promised for 10 years, funding in place, but never started. Too many blunders to list, besides election fraud. PLEASE America, please do not let another Busch hold any political office anywhere any time ever.
Bush who ?!?!
signed the gop.
Jason797
Like the low information voters, like the government takers , like "I want free phone " people, like the Obama voters?
Remember when Jeb rigged the election for big brother George in Florida, what a snake !!!
Joe in Albany-1902257
Joe, despite the legitimacy of your post and the fact that it’s substantiated by the Liberal propaganda centers will not reduce the Liberal/Progressive hate for America.
The Liberal mind is a twisted synapse of confusion. It’s not that they are concerned with the tax rates or loopholes, to the contrary. What the Liberals/Progressives are consumed with is that after the rich pay their higher rate of taxes they STILL have more money left than they do.
You see, in the indoctrinated Liberal mind the rich should pay as much in taxes as it takes for their remaining wealth to mimic the middle class or poor to be “fair”.
This is the result of long standing brainwashing that somehow the rich get some special “gift”, most often associated with their favorite bogeyman, the rich, greedy, Republicans. The rich got lucky. They inherited all their wealth rather than earn it. They somehow cheated the unwashed masses that support the irrational concept of social and economic justice for the collective.
This is painfully obvious in David Walkers adolescent rant that follows your post. Of course he, and the gaggle of uninformed masses on the Left defend it as sacrosanct and dismiss your fact laden information. To the Liberal mind denial is their only defense weapon. Facts only obtund their preconceived notions of fairness and thus must be dismissed.
Liberals/Progressives have been indoctrinated by their dysfunctional parents, peers and educators that they are always a victim of some sort. They not only believe it, they pursue it. Rather than trying to improve their lot in life they prefer to wallow in mediocrity. Why shouldn’t they when Barrack Hussein continuously proclaims that the best they will ever achieve is to be middle class. A true leader would promote increasing success for ALL Americans, not persistent mediocrity.
Liberals hate the rich and successful because they have been told they can never achieve a higher status. Statists such as Barrack Hussein promote this because in his hatred for American exceptionalism only he and his Ivy League faculty-lounge elitists should be successful and exceptional. In the statists mind the unwashed masses on the Left are too illiterate to care for themselves and he is their salvation. How else can anyone argue that when the Left advances the cartoon story of “The Life of Julia”. Only the weak minded and downtrodden Left can accept that as a solution.
Instead of constantly allowing themselves to be victimized perhaps the Libbies should read “The Millionaire Next Door”. It must be factual, even in the Liberal/Progressive mind, it was promoted by the (GASP) New York Times! It shows that 80% of American millionaires are first generation. They maintain a lifestyle of wealth accumulation NOT material consumption. They save money rather than waste it. Many of the Liberals neighbors are millionaires but you’d never know it.
I always find it must be terrible for Liberals to go through life constantly looking for another opportunity to be a victim. Even more embarrassing is the fact that they keep promoting ideologies that do just that.
In the perfect Liberal mind we real Americans should work harder, make more sacrifices to create commerce, make more money and then just allow the government to take more from us and “redistribute” it to them so they can feel better about themselves. This hasn’t worked for nearly 50 years with their corrupt “war on poverty”, but they insist on continuing it.
Einstein had a definition of the Liberal Mind, “insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
Insanity, meet Liberalism!
i did LOL @ Poseur's mindless remark. Pots and Kettles right Thomas Grand
Salad
Actually he did pretty well as Governor in Florida, much better that most of the Democrats Governors , those that bankrupt their state and then have to look for a Republican to clean the mess, Wisconsin, New Jersey are some of the examples. However Jeb Bush do not have any chance, but he is right, citizenship to the ones that cross the borders and broke the law is not the right thing to do, citizenship is not the only legal status for immigrants, a Permanent Resident has as many rights that a Citizenship but do not vote, citizenship is a privilege for immigrants , but illegals lost theirs.when they jump the fence. Democrats are interested in the Latino vote, because they know that race warfare works well for them
Redvirginia,
Oh here we go, another fruitcake nutjob talking about Free Phones.
Ok, Red, Prove IT.. Show us the source that says people get Free Phones for voting for Obama. Matter of fact show us a Video clip showing people getting their "Free Phones" for voting for Obama.
I'm waiting...
Who can ever forget, Mary Jo Kopechne circus starring Teddy "Chivas" Kennedy as the ringleader"?
JimSpence, Being neither a liberal, nor a conservative in the tradition of you and your fellow, hunkered-down warriors, i must say that it is quite interesting to read your comments -- written from your viewpoint of a pure, hapless, victim. Hmmm.
Still waiting Redvirginia,
Where is that source? You know, the one showing people getting "free Obama phones".
Last chance nutjob..
Remember Jim Baker, Jeb, Dad and 150 lawyers running like mad dogs to Florida to get George elected, that was just nasty !!!
Jim Spence -- What's your idea of FAIR taxation? A single flat rate for everyone? Is that your version of FAIR?
You write:
They do get many gifts, via the tax code. Do you deny this?
INCOME is income is income. Who are you trying to kid?
Thanks to the generous RATES on their INCOME.
Bush Christie 2016.
I am so happy that the Obama policies are continuing to benefit Wall Street, the rich, the banks as the stock market is testing new heights. All three have been and continue to be painted as evil, greedy and the downfall of this country by Obama, his socialist minions and the idiot left on here. He talks one game and his policies are contradicting his words. I wonder why Wall Street likes the SCARE-questration now and suddenly Wal-Mart is a PHILANTHROPIC company.
Did you know that on the eve of the SCARE-questration, Janet Napolitano purchased for $50 million new uniforms for agents from Mexico -- and the bitch has the nerve to talk about issuing furlough notices.
Jim Spence. you must really feel the pain of the top 1%.
(and none for yourself) or hatred for the working families. I don't know which, after reading your post, I just guessed your mad. 11 paragraphs man, really I mean really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
@DCIA -- Yes by all means a flat rate is the most fair way. Listen Dr. Benjamin Carson spanking Obama from the podium.
I'm conflicted. On the one hand I realize that as the Presidential election season draws nearer Jeb Bush may, indeed, soften his line on immigration reform. His language may change, his position will not.
I think Jeb Bush is being honest with us, NOW. I feel like I should applaud his honesty. Isn't that what we say we want?
But I disagree with his 'honest' position on the issue and there-in lies the conflict. How do I genuinely say "thanks" (for sharing your position) but "no thanks" because I strongly disagree with you.
Oh...there, I guess I said it.
All of which leaves me asking, "Why in the heck would he take such a position?" Didn't he learn anything from the last election? I always thought Jeb was the smart one. Guess I was wrong.
Angelica S, it is your partisanship that seems to have blinded your views. President Obama has increased border security, spent more money on border security, prosecuted more businesses which hire illegals, deported more illegals than any previous president--that's fact, not fiction. President Obama has used his Constitutionally given executive authority to suspend deporting of children (DREAMers) brought here by their parents without a choice and living in the only country they know as home. The fact that you "select" only the things with which you disagree is your problem so sorry lady, your sources and your biased thinking are suspect.
Ben,
You show a video clip of 1 person saying vote for Obama for a free phone. Nice Try idiot, but I said show me the source that shows people "Actually" receiving Free Phones because they voted for Obama.
Somebody wanting a free phone and actually getting one is two different things. But what should I expect from a conservative nut.
or else what? you'll use harsh language... making internet threats LOL..yeah who's the nutjob.
shoot have you ever read David the Poseur Walker's rants? talk about victim and pompous to boot.
Obama proved that the "farce" is with him -- Jedi mind meld. What a tool. What an idiot. What a lying prick.
Ben
Youtube, you called that a Source. 1 crazy lady screaming about an Obama Phone. Hey Ben, did you actually see the magical "Obama Phone" in the Video. Hell NO..
You called that a source. Laughable!!
Considering the source of this statement, I had to laugh my A$$ off. Now that's humor.
Jason,
Two words; THEY CAN'T!
Nice job catching them with their panties down! ;o)
Despite the class warfare declare for Obama, the gap between rich and poor has been increase in the last 4 years, basically because in bad economy and uncertainly rich people are safe, we are the ones that suffer the most, more spending, more emission of currency and more debt , create inflation, with more regulations cost are transferred to the consumers as a consequence price rise, and we pay more and bring less to the table, in the top of that , our income went down 2% at the end of the year, but Obama can't cut 2% in spending. Nothing that Democrats/liberals do help the poor, because their are driven by ideology instead reality. If they are focus more jobs and less welfare, the gap between rich and poor will be reduced, and also people can have a higher standard of life.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
I don't need to prove anything , it is all over, you just don't want to accept.
That's priceless Ben, you quoting a Reverend today. In your previous post the seething hatred in your heart is on display. You swear and in the next post you perpetuate the LIE about some myth RWNJs created. Proud Ben?
Jason797:
You called it a source. I called it a video. If you want to call the lady a liar, by all means do so. I happen to believe her. A free phone for low-income is a real program and it was started well before Obama. It's called Lifeline for you and those in Rio Lindo. However since 2008 the program went rogue and for some reason the costs went from 778 million to $1.6 billion. If it a lie about the phones, then it is a lie that is not being debunked by the administration because the low information voters ate it up and would vote for someone who gave them something for free. This was an ingenious way to expand Obama's base and recruit more Barack "Jim Jones" Obama cult members.
@DCIA -- You need to do a little research. Dr. Carson is not a reverend -- he is a world renowned pediatric neurosurgeon at John Hopkins. He is also a Medal of Freedom recipient. So, take your criticism and shove it.
Jason 797 - Read this slowly, maybe you can understand. The average Middle Class worker has LOST $4,500 in Median Income under Obama. Not disputable is it? The minimum the average Middle Class worker will lose this year from Social Security being raised is $1,000, add those together and you get $5,500. Even a DUMBASS like Johntho should understand simple math. That is this year under Obama the Middle Class will have $5,500 less to spend. Not hard to understand. Is it? That number could go up when median income is analyzed. Combined with the higher cost of food and the higher cost of fuel the Middle class has been decimated by the Idiot in Chief.
My mistake - Dr. Ben Carson is not a Reverend. He's a conservative who gave a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast.
Ben lotsa of numbers, on the other hand, is a self-professed Christian.
Apparently Ben thinks this Doctor has the last word on taxation and what's fair.
hey 797, you said last chance... I want to know what a billy badass keyboard ninja is going to do with innuendo like that.
Conservative nuts or liberal Occutards like 797...ill take a conservative..at least they'll work.
That's strange, because I can't find it anywhere!
If it's "all over" it really shouldn't be too difficult to give us just one example!
Then again, pretty difficult to back up your the pure bull@!$%# you enjoy spreading! lol
I DO want to thank you for shredding whatever ounce of credibility you believe you have! ;o)
Ah, Spence-Pud Stud for Hire rears his head to pedal his hiney. Einstein had no such definition equated to the liberal mind. In fact, Einstein as the originator of this quote is in question.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_first_said_that_the_definition_of_insanity_is_to_do_the_same_thing_over_and_over_and_expect_different_results
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rita_Mae_Brown
Now here is a quote, often attributed to Einstein that runs right up the alley of the pud-stud.
"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
-- Albert Einstein
Read more:http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/4134#ixzz2MgkJ1leA
While the quote can be disputed, there is no disputing the endless stupidity of Spence-Pud Stud for Hire.
http://shimercollege.wikia.com/wiki/Fake_Quotes_Project/Einstein/The_difference_between_genius_and_stupidity_is_that_genius_has_its_limits
[Poseur, remember: 'Life's hard, it's even harder when you're stupid.']
So, is this where you turn tail and run? Sure it is...don't forget your ass-sack.
[I picked up my Tactical Assault looking SKS yesterday...]
Sure you did...or maybe you really DO need one of these...you know...for your limp wrist?
Now back to work, Commodus...breaks over.
I've seen better results of regurgitation from penguins. How many times are we going to be subjected to this rant of statist political Ayn Rand junk. It's day after day, and OLD!!
Boy do I love it when First Read posts a story about Jeb Bush. The liberals get their panties in a twist every time. It doesn't matter that Jeb was a great governor for Florida... He did wonderful things for the state and worked with a democrat legislative body just fine. He was re-elected and the economy of the state was solid until the next governor took over. None of that matters to liberals. Just the name Bush throws sparks in the air. All the BS the liberals throw out there has nothing to do with Jeb. Liberals will never live by facts... Jeb is not George. They are brothers... not the same person. Jeb doesn't carry any of George's baggage but liberals want to attach it to him... Liberals - spin so hard they are naturally drunk.
Sometimes they make it to easy Feisty. I believe some of them probably be drunk when they post comments. Lol..
Awwww, poor Caesar is begging for attention again. Sorry re-reg, not today..
^ LOL....Yea, right. With that, I'm going take me a Bush, I mean a Jim Spence, damn, I mean a @!$%#!!!!
that's what I thought.
remember 797 'Life's hard, it's even harder when you're stupid'. You have a long road ahead of you
No. No. No. Jody (#1.100)-- Please cite the provision of the United States Constitution granting Obama the authority to refuse to enforce acts of Congress . . . or granting Obama the authority to interpret acts of Congress. THOSE PROVISIONS DO NOT EXIST.
Permit me to give you a primer in Constitutional Law 101-- Obama heads the Executive Branch. As the head of the Executive Branch, Obama has a duty to carry out and follow the instructions of Congress. Further, interpretation of laws is reserved for the judicial branch. It is evident that you likely failed basic civics, as one need not have gone to law school to have understood these basic concepts.
"Great melting pot" MY @$$. The corporations bring in the Scum of The World for inexpensive labor and super profit; more than they ALREADY Make so this "we are equal BULL$H!T is Foisted and pumped into the scum. Look at Germany and Other Nations which take care of their Citizens. Civil War is On The Way. The "politician RollOvers" BOTH Federal and STATE ARE CRIMINALS along with their Masters, the coporations. Nationalize ALL of the Super Rich corporations, protect supply pipeline by Doubling the worker's pay and imprisoning the ceo who are causing this terrible situation upon America.
The Bush name is as toxic with the political right as it is the left. Name recognition does not automatically a front runner. He didn't learn from Romney. You can't take both sides of a issue. Immigration is the anchor around every GOP candidates neck. You can court the Hispanic vote or the hard right's vote but not both. With his father's economic record and his brother's economic record he's delusional if he think he can win. Even more than Newt, Ron Paul and Herman Cain where.
[Sorry re-reg, not today..]
Jason, caesar the little coward isn't a re-reg but a multi-reg...tell him "tick tock"...he'll know what you mean. And it pisses him off...he really loses his temper, worse than what you see here. I'd tell him but he has me on "ignore".
Think about Sheep!!! Look at how the aristocrat super rich have changed America in 30 years!!! Gas and Energy costs, food costs, housing costs, NO AMERICAN NATIONAL UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, Dangerous mentals on the loose, Super rip off "healthcare" policies, Unending and Very Profitable Wars AND ANOTHER FU CKING BUSH!!??!!??? And On and On And ON And These Evil B@$T@RD$ are RICHER THEN EVER BEFORE IN HUMAN HISTORY!! YOU KNOW How The People solved that Same Problem in 1789 Paris!!!Eeerrr, With The Help Of THE MADAM That is. This TERRIBLE Mess IS caused by the elite EVIL super rich and their corporations; No Wonder Americans have gone Nuts. Solution?? Government personnel change and nationalization of the super rich corporations as a good start and AND AND!!! An American Universal National Single Payer HealthCare System. When Salaried americans discover We Are paying the same taxes as Europe countries EXCEPT THEY GET TRUE BENNIES Including National HealthCare System by Government issued Health Cards GOOD at ANY Clinic And/Or Hospital Americans are gonna INSIST ON THE SAME; Meaning less profit for exxon and mcdonalds and united healthcare and general electric and LESS INSANE Take Home Salarys for these "ceos" "cash eating omnivores..
Did you KNOW that the ceo of united healthcare took home $128,000,000 *CASH* for 2008 year salary!!! Please research these facts from yahoo or google or bing or whomever so you KNOW PB is NOT BSing you.
I had enough Jeb in Florida..... Please, no more.
These people are dreaming, there will never be another BUSH at the table, I guess the GOP just like losing, they have to either get people to cross the isle or CHEAT to WIN so that being said, people will never forget what America has been put through FROM the GOP circus in Congress to a President that cost us Trillions in TWO WAR's for what because they thought there was WMD, believe me this NUT has not fallen that far from the Original tree ....
@California Tom. Acutally I saw Jeb Bush was on an interview last night and he I heard some of the plan he has for immigration, I didn't hear the whole thing, but I did hear that his plan includes allowing more green cards to those who want to come here for work, that way they are coming here legally. This plan is already in place, but it is harder to get one, he wants to make it easier to get a green card. (Really illegals should not be here unless they come here to work and establish residency and it should be done legally. Most of those here illegally are criminals). Jeb Bush is a very smart man and he ran a very successful state and the people in Florida aboslutely loved him. Jeb Bush has much different views than his brother did and they are not alike at all. He would make an excellent President. I do not think George Bush was as bad a president as Obama is, but a lot of people including republicans and democrats have said that Jeb should have run instead of George because he would have made a better president. People need to stop blaming everyone for everything and it is not fair to blame him for what some people think is GW's fault. The fault starts with the people in this country who got themselves into debt that they could not afford and then expect everyone else to get them out of it.
You know what, that is such crap! Here is a graph of the highest tax bracket from 1912 to 2008. Thirty years ago is 1983 - the highest tax bracket was 50%. But, notice, it had just changed! The highest tax bracket just 2 years before was 70%!!
We are just coming out of the worst recession since the Great Depression, many people I know are out of work, have been out of work for some time and I am supposed to believe that these crybaby high-income people feel abused? Cry me a f'in river!
Well, it is interesting that you brought that up. Turns out Obama has precedent... precedent set by George W. Bush.
Here is an article written in Jan, 2006:
George W. Bush issued 23 signing statements in 2001; 34 statements in 2002, raising 168 constitutional objections; 27 statements in 2003, raising 142 constitutional challenges, and 23 statements in 2004, raising 175 constitutional criticisms. In total, during his first term Bush raised a remarkable 505 constitutional challenges to various provisions of legislation that became law.
Rather than veto laws passed by Congress, Bush is using his signing statements to effectively nullify them as they relate to the executive branch. These statements, for him, function as directives to executive branch departments and agencies as to how they are to implement the relevant law.
The upshot? It is as if Congress had acted as a mere advisor, with no more formal power than, say, Karl Rove - not as a coordinate and coequal branch of government, which in fact it is.
As Phillip Cooper observes, the President's signing statements are, in some instances, effectively rewriting the laws by reinterpreting how the law will be implemented.
It is remarkable that Bush believes he can ignore a law, and protect himself, through a signing statement.
Before anyone considers voting for another Bush, they ought to keep this in mind.
Caesar has certainly evolved into a mean, little man, hasn't he? If you don't agree with him you are a Communist, a Nazi or a Socialist and he is going to shoot you with his automatic weapon. I would say that life is harder when you live in a world where everyone who disagrees with you is the enemy. What a sad and paranoid world he must inhabit.
Feisty - Took me a while to reply to your comment about Jeb Bush laying down his marker. Reminds me of my feral cat Thomas before I was able to lure him in to a carrier and get him altered. He would wear himself out marking the perimeter of my yard. Let's hope Jeb wears himself out marking territory between now and 2016. I refuse to believe we could possibly even entertain the thought of electing another Bush even though he is probably the best (smartest) of the bunch.
Jeb, We know what you did, you will never be President, Just walk away and live a quiet life.
Wow, that's even more impressive than "some of my best friends are...". So, Jeb's wife is actually a Mexican national, not Hispanic...Mexican citizen. Perhaps we should be demanding to see her green card. By the way, if he is so "qualified to speak on the immigration woes", why can't he seem to make up his mind as to where he stands on the issue. Oh that's right, he graduated from the Mitt Romney School of Commitment.
In Civil Defense
A guide to nuclear survival -- This 1950s film strip will bring back memories for those who learned the lessons of nuclear survival in grade school. At the same time, it suggests the cavalier attitudes toward the long-term effects of radiation and the devestation nuclear war could have.
How to build a fallout shelter -- Every well-equipped home of the Cold War era had a fallout shelter.
Ranging from home-made dirt-covered shelters to commercially-fabricated ones, shelters became a national obsession during the late '50s and enjoyed renewed popularity in the early '80s.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) pamphlets from 1980 teach every American how to erect an "effective" shelter. Do you know how?
http://www.military.com/Content/MoreContent1/?file=cw_civildefense
Why Wayne LaPierre Loves Hurricanes and Natural Disasters
LaPierre’s pivot was on full display in an article he wrote last week for the Daily Caller. After describing the “hellish world” left in Hurricane Sandy’s wake, he goes on to catalog his fears: “Hurricanes. Tornadoes. Riots. Terrorists. Gangs. Lone Criminals. These are perils we are sure to face—not just maybe.” But the full conversion comes five paragraphs later, when he writes: “Gun owners are not buying firearms because they anticipate a confrontation with the government. Rather, we anticipate confrontations where the government isn’t there—or simply doesn’t show up in time.” Forget totalitarianism. Now we need to fear total anarchy
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/02/wayne_lapierre_now_warns_nra_members_of_anarchy_and_social_collapse_instead.html
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Daddy what’s that Plastic thing that you’ve got holding the door open?
Well Son that there is something that they call an AR-16. Some Yahoo from the NRA feared your Grandpa into spending a whole heap of money on the damn thing instead of putting money aside for your education. He never had a use for it and when he passed it on to me I figgered it was more useful as a fancy doorstop than gathering dust in the back of the hall closet.
Some folks are rather easy to fear into things and some other folks prey on that to line their pockets. Just ask any Yahoo who has a concrete bomb shelter hidden away in his backyard instead of that swimming pool his wife and kids wanted who’s the most miserable.
Him for being a dumbass or the Yahoo Slicker that sold him a worthless hole in the ground.
Ah oh - a pro responsible gun ownership post. How many death threats will be generated from this opinion piece.
Morning IR:
Actually, we have recently purchased nuclear blast protection at a garage sale. It looks similar to the wooden desks we used in drop drills when I was in grammar school.
We also have a fair-to-middlin' fallout shelter. We call it a basement.
The gun thing? Well, we're still working on that. Out here the farmers are soaking up so much government welfare, they're not likely to attack their benefactors. Everyone else is mighty fearful of that dark guy in the White House. They've bought up all the firearms and there's not a round to be found on the shelves. Personally, they're the ones who scare me the most.
LaPierre:
And there's always the possibility of a Zombie Apocalypse. You need an AR-14 modified for full automatic fire to take out one of those suckers. They don't go down easy.
I'll tell you fellers. Me I'm more afraid of getting tied up in all these Natural Disasters and thereby giving 'Ol Cantor and the Yahoo Chorus another Hostage. Given their predilection to shooting the Hostage when he's no longer useful to 'em it might hasten my appointment with Old Saint Pete.
Houston, don't forget that threat from outer space. Apparently, those flying saucers, engineered to withstand any impact with space debris, are no match against a well modified AR-14 and a box of bullets.
Day before yesterday a 4 year old shot himself with his fathers gun near Detroit (FREEP.COM) His father was a cop. Guns make us safer? NO!!!!
IR, cheers, love the humor. I remember all too well. The nuclear attack drills in elementary school, cover your head, get under your desk--as if that was going to protect us? I also remember doing my best to avoid the nightly news because it was so doomsday frightening to a little kid.
The "Daily Caller" is the outfit that paid the Dominican Republic prostitutes to lie about having paid-for sex with Senator Menendez. What better place for Wayne LaPierre to preach his lies than a site that pays for lies.
Damyou Sounds like a useful modification to me. Maybe we could hollow out the stock for you and put you a little Teat on it. After all it's thirsty work running all those rounds thru your weapon holding back those floods and avalanches and Zombie Apocalypse's and such like.
Damyou asks:
Yes Damyou, it is a new model. Very hard to find. You should have one, it's a must for all great gunners. Please take all the time you need finding one, and then come back and tell us all about it.
PLEASE America, Please do not allow another Busch to further destroy our country. I didn't read the article and I didn't read any of the comments, just seeing Jeb Busch's name brought chills to my spine. Busch senior started a half-a$$ed war, and didn't finish it, Busch junior was given the election by his brother Jeb, then the Florida governor. As bad as Busch junior was in his first four years, the blind Americans elected him to a second term. I didn't vote for any Busch ever, but didn't think Busch could screw up any more than he already had. I was wrong. Jeb Busch, as governor of Florida, made it what it is today, and that's almost uninhabitable. And he's a coward. When a hurricane was supposed to hit Florida, he was in such a hurry to fly across the Gulf to Texas, he forgot to shut down the toll booths exiting the state, so every vehicle had to stop and pay a toll, backing up traffic and impeding the mass exit. He left the lieutenant governor to look out for the state, but she didn't have the authority to anything. And, big issues with a mass transit system that was promised for 10 years, funding in place, but never started. Too many blunders to list, besides election fraud. PLEASE America, please do not let another Busch to hold any political office anywhere any time ever.
All kidding aside, there is no push back from the left. What we are seeing is right-wing hysteria. With the notable exception of a very small group of folks, no one is calling for any kind of weapons ban and/or confiscation.
There is no evidence to support any of the fears of these idiots who are padding the bottom lines of weapons manufacturers. How crazy are these people? They have taken to telling us that .223 rounds are for plinking and taking down the occasional varmint. BS. These idiots lose credibility when you know that is the round our military uses in combat.
I'm sick of that BS. We have a problem with gun violence. Thousands of deaths each and every year are more than enough proof of that. Do we have highway deaths? Yes. We work to mitigate that damage. Is alcohol a contributor to death in our country? Yes. We work to mitigate that damage. We can do the same with guns.
Lastly, I've had more than enough of the BS that if you support registration, background checks, and enforceable and enforce laws you're some sort of a sissy, and most assuredly, you can't possibly be a veteran. There's a whole hell of a lot of veterans who don't have a problem with reasonable regulation. Why wouldn't that be the case? Millions of veterans have seen first-hand the damage of weapons. These damned tough-talking armchair warriors don't have a clue.
Well said David and I plan to expound a little bit on that tommorow....... Damyou you do realize that ammunition like two day old bread has an expiration date aren't you....... Excuse me I forgot who I was talking to for a second there............ Seems like to me you'd support some sort of sequester so the prices on these weapons and ammunition stay up cause believe you me in a couple of years your going to have some unhappy Campers when all thse Yahoo's that have been sold this bill of goods discovers that they have a bunch of expired ammunition and all thier investment is now just so much corroded junk and the weapons that use them are just fancy doorstops with nothing to make them go bang
@ IR
Are you going to offer how the government will get around HIPA laws to get information on Mental checks? I am really curious. Also, how do you think doctor / patient priveledges will be circumvented?
@ David
Please answer the same questions I asked of IR too, please
@ David
I'm also pissed that judges sentence these piles of crap to what is nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Pun intended.
How about when these scum are parolled and commit a violent crime, we hold the judges & prosecurors accountable as well?
Zappa's U. I'm going to go out on a limb here and take you seriously. That is one of those detail's that is either devilishly complicated or devilishly simple depending on how you look at it. First of all you have to standardise a National Firearms Registry and make it as simple as possible for all to use or it ain't going to work. Probably 90% of folks only need a cursory look that should take less than a week. Within your records should be certain things that get you a second look. Dishonorable from the Military for instance or a History of Mental Issues. Felonies. From that point you need to let the Individual decide just how much further he/she wants to pursue things so you let them decide how much doctor/patient privilege they want to violate not the Government. Some folks you are just going to have to put the onus on to prove that they are capable just like you do with other rights and privileges. Driver's license's for instance. You have to prove that you are capable of operating the vehicle and then find somebody to insure that you will operate it in a safe manner. Don't do either one of these things and you don't legally drive. Concealed carry is another good example. In most states to get a permit you have to demonstrate continuing education with a Qualified Instructor.
ZappasUtopia:
You will find this hard to believe. I still can't believe I did it myself, but I read HIPAA. I was absolutely stunned. HIPAA offers less protection to the patient than (s)he had prior to its enactment.
For all the talk from the incredibly ignorant "Constitutional Conservatives" who don't have a clue about the Constitution, we are giving up our rights at an incredible rate, always in the name of security and always premised on fear. The PATRIOT Act, NDAA, HIPAA, one court evisceration of our protections afer another. These should bring us together. Instead we fight over dotted i's and crossed t's. This thread is proof of that.
Gunners talk about "Second Amendment" rights as if they have some sort of mystical meaning. The "rights" to which they refer came courtesy of the misbegotten Heller ruling and the ink has barely dried on that decision. Nothing is set in stone in our Constitution, and while the idiot gunners are screaming about their shiny objects, another right is being cut to ribbons somewhere else. Voting rights come to mind.
So, there you have it. Seriously - no sarcasm - read HIPAA if you get a chance. It's a forehead smacker for sure. The left and right extremists need to be sent to their rooms. The grown-ups have some very serious problems.
@ IR
Take me seriously? hehehe alrighty then. I've asked this question before, and it gets ignored. Thanks for your response.
@ David
I have too. I have to sign one yearly. Its an insane piece of paper.
As for voting rights. I have no problem with being required to show photo ID when voting. I do it all the time, and doesn't bother me or most everyone I know in the least. Beyond that I don't care who votes. And agreed, these 2 party's are beyond asinine
1. Its not HIPA, its HIPAA; Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, Public Law 104-191.
2. A new law beefing up background checks would likely be passed by the Congress. Guess what else was passed by the Congress...you guessed it...HIPAA.
3. What Congress giveth, Congress can taketh away. If you can get Congress to agree on anything, they wouldn't have too much trouble getting around a law they passed previously.
Jeb Bushmay have laid down his marker but most Americans will quickly paint over it. Jeb Bush threw aside his many years of supporting a pathway to citizenship to do a Mitt-Flip in the hopes the Tea Party/John Birchers will forget his past. Two failed Bush presidencies, I seriously doubt voters are ready to see if the third time is a charm.
Speaker Boehner, Poster-Boy for the Peter Principle in 3-D Living Color.Flawed Talking Points, INABILITY to LEAD the House, inability to negotiate, refusal to bring bills to the House Floor that would likely pass because they would likely pass, and flat-out liar. Boehner and republicans promised "jobs, jobs, jobs" in 2010 but when they took control of the House in January, 2011, Boehner placed the "jobs, jobs, jobs" on the bottom shelf in the storage room. Boehner led the 112th Congress into being the worst session in recent history. Boehner is the poorest excuse for Speaker of the House in my memory. His idea of "leading" is to have the House in session about 9 days per month, two weeks of 3 days each followed by a week off; and that doesn't count the 3-day weekend holidays which become 10-day vacations.
Under Boehner, there have been five (5) unnecessary, self-inflicted, fiscal crises. The impact of the Sequestration will not be felt immediately by most Americans but it will cause significant economic harm to the recovery. Sequestration represents the molasses flowing up hill fiscal crisis; it's impact comes in the weeks and months ahead as jobs are lost, unemployment rises and the very deficit the mandated cuts were to reduce are wiped out by loss of revenue and an even higher deficit.
John Boehner went on MTP Sunday to spew the same, tired lines: we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem ala shades of Ronald Reagan; President Obama doesn't have a plan except he does and it's been available for months. David Gregory did a pretty fair job of calling him out on the lies he has been telling. One often repeated line from Boehner is that he's been in Congress 22 years and watched Congress and Presidents both "R" and "D" kick the can down the road on the deficit.
Boehner ignores that President Clinton and GOP Speaker Newt Gingrich DID not kick the can down the road, they found compromise. They increased revenues and cut spending. When Clinton left the White House, he left several years of budget surpluses to George W. Bush. Apparently Boehner thinks no one remembers his personal efforts in kicking that can down the road, his "yea" votes that made the deficit bigger not smaller? Boehner voted "NAY" on the Clinton/Gingrich plan. Boehner voted "YEA" on the two rounds of "Dubya's" tax cuts, he voted "YEA" on rebate checks to taxpayers, he voted "YEA" to NOT PAY for two wars, he voted "YEA" to NOT PAY for the Medicare Advantage Rx drug plan, and Boehner voted "YEA" on every single piece of UNFUNDED Bush/Cheney/GOP legislation that came before the House. That is Speaker Boehner's version of leading the GOP's efforts to "kick the can down the road" while expanding the size of the deficit and debt Can in the process.
A good Speaker recognizes that being Leader of the House means ALL the House not just their party's caucus; recognizes that doing what is best for the country requires working with the opposition. Compromise is not a four-letter word, it is the very essense of our democracy. One cannot be a good Speaker if the opposition is never allowed at the table, if the opposition's legislation is never allowed to the Floor for debate, amendment and up/down votes.
Speaker Boehner is the poster boy for the Peter Principle, a person promoted into a position at which he/she is incapable of succeeding, one promotion too many. Boehner's problem is not that he lacks intelligence but rather that he lacks the skills to Lead. Boehner fears for his job as Speaker, fears backlash from the Tea Party, fear failing as Speaker without ever realizing that his fear makes him incompetent to lead, makes him inept and makes him the perfect symbol of the Peter Principle.
Great post Jody...unfortunately the GNOP only seems to know the word "NO"...the art of the compromise is in the coffin and on its way out....
I'm still amazed that the GNOP is trying to make Pres. Obama look bad...with their approval rating almost in single digits...it's a wonder they can't wake up and smell the coffee...I still say they are pissed that a Blackman is in the White House....and they can't stand that he is smarter than them.....
Too bad someone who supposedly wanted to push his party to welcome Latinos and finally deal with immigration has joined the Romney 'self deport' band wagon. Bush brother is a joke, so easily convinced to change his years/decade long message to garner a NY best seller.
The hypocrite will be rolling out his wheel barrell collecting donations for his run. Bush brother may implode the bipartisan talks but he doesn't care, he needs to garner financial support from the Adelson types and "backwoods" support from the xenophobic crowd. This self described moderate and purported 'No label' type politician's next exercise will be to publish a book where he doubts man's attributing role to climate change.
What Bush brother doesn't know is that we as a country are not ready for another Bush. As Jesse Jackson once warned during one of his old campaigns. "Stay out the Bushes." "Stay out the Bushes."
Jody:
How kind of you. Boehner is not using flawed talking points. He's a flat-out liar and coward. Gee, 22 years in the House voting for all manner of spending. Then he says he doesn't think anyone knows how to solve the problem he helped create.
Well, if he didn't know he was creating it, how in the hell do we expect him to fix what he didn't know he was breaking. Taxes have to be raised. As the leader of the Republican criminal class in the House, I can't figure out why he doesn't look for help from similarly inclined folk. Willie Sutton, bank robber, when asked why he robbed banks said, "That's where the money is."
John! Yoohoo! John! Willie says get the money from the rich. He's right.
Jody---I can't believe the nation would fall for Jeb Bush but then again millions voted for Romney.
I keep thinking of Bush campaign slogans:
Jeb Bush---he won't suck as bad as his dad and brother.
Jeb Bush--strike three for the Bush family
Jes Bush---third time's the charm
Jeb Bush---its my turn (borrowed from Ann Romney).
So true Jody. John Boehner is the worst Speaker the House has ever had. It's clear that he cares more for his speakership, than for the good of our Nation.
S.F., How about a vote for Bush is depressing.
Jeb Bush, latest entry into the clown car.
Jeb Bush, Oh, why did George go frist?
Jeb Bush, mother raised fools.
Yes, David, I was being kind; it must be the "snow-quester" here that makes me feel a wee-bit generous. I did, however, call him a "flat-out liar" not too many words later.
SteelerFan, Johntho, some fine bumper stickers there. My favorites "he won't suck as bad as his dad and brother" and "Oh, why did George go frist?"
Jeb Bush: America has been Bush-whacked enough already.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I see Jeb Bush as a Marco Rubio spoiler. They would both be seen as the GOP's best chance of appealing to Latinos. With Bush more in the mainstream and Rubio with Tea Party backing, I see Jeb Bush entering the race as knocking Rubio out of it.
mike, good point. I still think the Bush name is too tainted; it's be a long time before independent, let alone democratic, voters consider another Bush for president.
Jody:
Yes, you did. I missed that. Indeed you called him a "flat-out liar". Comprehension is fundamental. I will write on the board ten times:
John Boehner is a flat-out liar.
John Boehner is a flat-out liar.
John Boehner is a flat-out liar.
John Boehner is a flat-out liar.
John Boehner is a flat-out liar.
John Boehner is a flat-out liar.
John Boehner is a flat-out liar.
John Boehner is a flat-out liar.
John Boehner is a flat-out liar.
John Boehner is a flat-out liar.
David W, no problem; it's a phrase worth repeating over and over in my comment, and both your comments.
@Yellowdog, you are wrong -- Jeb Bush is not proposing implementing policies to make the current 11+ million illegal immigrants self-deport. He is proposing that they be allowed to become legal residents, but not be given an easy route to become citizens.
Legal residency is a fair offer. They would no longer have to live with uncertainty and fear of deportation. They could get driver's licenses. They could legally apply for any job and hopefully increase their wages.
Permanent legal residency is not a horrible status. I have friends who immigrated here from Ireland 20 years ago and they have legal residency but not citizenship. They have fabulous jobs and just bought a $2 million dollar house. They can't vote, but overall life in the US as a permanent legal resident is working out very well for them.
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Is Jeb Bush trying to scuttle immigration reform?
By Ryu Spaeth | The Week – Mon, Mar 4, 2013
Technically, Bush says he does support a path to citizenship, but only if undocumented immigrants return to their home countries and apply through legal channels. That is miles away from his previous stance on the issue. As recently as January, Bush and Book wrote the following in an op-ed for The Wall Street Journal (emphasis added):
A practicable system of work-based immigration for both high-skilled and low-skilled immigrants — a system that will include a path to citizenship — will help us meet workforce needs, prevent exportation of jobs to foreign countries and protect against the exploitation of workers…
America's immigration system should provide opportunities for people who share the country's core values to become citizens, thereby strengthening the nation as have countless immigrants have before them. [The Wall Street Journal]
In addition, Bush spent much of the 2012 presidential campaign criticizing Republicans — and by implication, standard-bearer Mitt Romney — for taking a hard-line stance on immigration. Bush's new position has angered at least one member of the Romney campaign, according to The Miami Herald:
"Where the hell was this Jeb Bush during the campaign?" said one advisor. "He spent all this time criticizing Romney and it turns out he has basically the same position. So he wants people to go back to their country and apply for citizenship? Well, that's self deportation. We got creamed for talking about that. And now Jeb is saying the same thing."
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Cal-Chi - Not only am I saying that Bush has the self deport strategy even republican advisors of losing candidate Romney say it. Bolded text above.
Besides holding legal residency off of the table will create an underclass. It will also serve to throw a wrench into the bipartisan talks in the Senate. It will give credence to Congressmen "Jim Southern Boondocks" and Senator "Bob not now not ever" to vote no on immigration legislation.
Have you checked the Bush talking points for today? Apparently he is trying to walk-back what he said in his book. After all, a lot has changed in one year. He wasn't expecting Repub support in the Senate for immigration reform. Now he's stuck on record and trying to appeal to both TeaBaggers and moderates...sort of like what Romney did. The problem is that he can't appeal to TeaBaggers without simply claiming he will "round'em up and send'em back". So much for the changing face of the Republican Party.
Jeb Bush is making the rounds. Is he merely selling his book? Or, is his book designed to sell his candidacy?
Perhaps both.
JB is obviously head and shoulders above the Republican party’s 2012 crop of Lilliputians. His reasonable approach to our current menu of unresolved problems attests to that. But, is his very reasonable (aka centrist) perspective his Achilles’ heel with the Tea Party? Isn’t this the same situation with Chris Christie?
There is a monumental struggle ongoing in the wheel house of the Republican ship. Those who wish to regain the White House through moderate policies are grappling with those who could not care less about electing a POTUS if it means diverging from their extreme idealistic conception of conservatism and our nation.
Who will prevail? In 2012, numerous wealthy Republicans financially backed Tea Party candidates with the expectation that they were politically viable. The election revealed the flaw in that theory. That is, these candidates were not acceptable except to a small and diminishing minority.
2014 will tell the tale. If traditional Republican money does not flow to Tea Party candidates, they will be obliged to mount grass roots campaigns to gather funding. Failing that, the Tea Party will wither on the vine.
Jeb Bush's political future depends upon this outcome.
Ian Emdee, well said.
In my view, unless the GOP sends its ideological purists packing in 2014, there is not much hope that a more centrist republican can get through the GOP Primary process without ending up with the same Tea Party/John Bircher baggage strapped to his/her back--as Mitt Romney discovered. 15 years ago, a candidate could appeal to the party's far side and return to the middle during the general election but with today's social media, 24/7 cable, Internet, etc, their initial appealing to the far base comments and stated views follow them.
I also do not believe Jeb Bush is the centrist, moderate the media paints him and thus the public believes him to be one. In comparison to Rick Santorum or Michele Bachman, a GOPer like Jeb Bush or Chris Christie who sounds less radical and sounds sane may seem centrist but their political views are far to the right of the GOP ideology of Reagan or even the first Bush.
I'm pretty interested in the housing bubble to come. And you thought it was over. Lets build way too many apartments and houses that will sit for years. Yessiree. Its ok though, it will be just like the last one. Everyone is going to get bailed out, and nobody will go to jail, they will just get a job at the Treasury
Just what we need - Bush part III. Just set off all the nukes in their USA silos and get it over with NOW!!!
Take a look at Detroit folks. An Emergency Financial Manager is headed in to try to save Detroit from Decades of Corrupt Democratic rule.
Detroit, a place where streetlights are dark, buses don't run, Police and Firemen don't show up for calls, crime runs unabated, and the City Council lines it's pockets.
This is the future of our country.
See, the choice is a Bankruptcy Judge, who's only concern is the creditors (Unless of course you are an Obama GM Bankruptcy Judge), or the EFM who actually has some room to maneuver
The Left cries about disenfranchising the voters with this move, but any idiot can see that either choice takes the problem out of the voters hands.
The Voters hired the idiots (Kwame Kilpatrick and his ilk) that got us into this mess, so they are getting what they deserve.
So look at Detroit my Libbie friends, it is where this country is headed when the big bad folks we owe trillions to tell us it's time to pay up.
"So look at Detroit my Libbie friends,"
Detroit, Cleveland, all those rust belt cities has been going down hill since the early 70s. It has NOTHING to do with liberal or conservative politics -- it's about a changing auto market that the former big 3 didn't respond to and general changing manufacturing that many old line companies failed to see. They were more interested in short term profits that long term planing.
White Collar Auto. Are you tea people republicans really that miserable? You realize you just wasted that post because nobody cares but you. But due continue, that way we don't have to put up with the rest of your garbage.
Omni Consumer Products (OCP) will becoming out with their new model shortly to clean up what the police can't.
Movies got this one right.
Kwame Kilpatrick, lol. A Suge Knight wanna be. Seen that the day he was elected.
I hear that the Financial Manager can go in and void collective bargaining agreements, seems like a last resort tactic.
If pension reform will fix the problem, grandfather all those in that were hired with the current pension system, and new hires must be addressed another way.
Actually, what this demonstrates is what a dictatorship looks like. Gov. Snyder is a right-wing dictator instilling his puppets to rule over these cities and towns with complete disregard for the voting public. WCA loves him some Dictator Rick. He prefers anyone in government who can override those union thugs that outsmarted the most well-heeled white-collar auto execs.
Gee Mo, you cared enough to respond.
Idiot.
And Red Dev, nice to see you got your talking points.
I suppose your on board for letting the Detroit City Council just Figure it out.
Idiot #2.
I wonder how ol' WCA will like it when the E.M starts selling off Detroit's assets to his cronies buddies. Bell Isle will make a fine nudest resort right WCA. What a fool you are to trust Snyder to do anything for the middle class, he is bought and paid for by Dick Devos, and the Mackinac center of evil.
End the Fed
Ask yourself this alan_static. If you end the Fed, who's going to send you your welfare check. You need to thank before you make a stupid statement like that.
Same person who sends you yours. "Obama gots a stash".
The Fed has little to do with welfare checks and they are the responsible ones for the massive printing of cash through creative "paper wealth" and accounting.
Well, now, there is a well thought out idea. Let's turn over monetary policy and banking regulation oversight to Bank of America, no make that CitiBank, no wait, GPMorgan, oops, Washington Mutual. We have a winner. The defunct Washington Mutual will now act as the nations central bank.
Keep the FED. Study banking and you will see why, the FED is the lessor of the evils.
Well at least he has more leadership experience than the community organizer we hired last time. I do think this is more about book sells than a political run.
Jeb Bush is not a Right Wing Radical Religious Reactionary, and the Teabeggers will never nominate him to be President. The nation has had enough of the "Bush Factor." Jeb is just trying to sell a book, and that is it. There is really no story here America.
Jeb Bush is now is showing us that he may not be a moderate republican after all. You know that far right factor that creeps in. It's sad that the GOP can't come up with anyone who is a moderate, but instead have to give into the way of the extreme operatives who are themselves giving into the far right-tea bag terrorists. When will someone stand up to this minority? Oh well, that’s why they will continue to lose the office of President.
Also, the problem Jeb has is he doesn't have a brother in office to rig the election outcome for him!!!
He can say yes all he wants, but he's not going to win national office. If there is going to be a mainstream Republican running in 2016, it will be Chris Christie, who has actually been engaged on the national scene this past decade. Jeb may be the favorite of moneyed old Republicans, but Christie is the face of the future.
Amy,
your full time job is to personally smear Republicans and conservatives, so your foray into objective analysis of Republican politics is actually humorous...
Amy,
your full time job is to personally attack Republicans and conservatives...this little foray into objective analysis of Republican politics is actually humorous...
Amy doesn't have to attack Republicans and conservatives. They're doing a find job of that all by themselves.
Yep, Christie is playing all of you libs like a cheap fiddle. He will be able to jump into the empty suit we have now (although some alterations will definitely be needed) and hit the ground running. The funny part is that the Christie of a few years ago is the real Christie. He has moderated somewhat (at least in the public eye) to make him more palatable in the political arena on both sides (which you and other liberals on this site seem to be buying into) to smooth the pathway. I doubt (and sincerely hope) that he will maintain that demeanor and the middle viewpoints he seemingly has developed once in office. He isn't stupid. He knows (called leadership) how to ease people into seeing things his way and uses the strength he has to to do the right thing. And by right, I mean right. He is still a conservative. He knows what it will take to turn the right corner (after we back up and find the fork in the road that this administration failed to see as the right fork going forward) and actually lead. He has my vote if he runs. He is smarter than the average Obama and knows exactly what he is doing. He has the whole thing calculated and is going to make even you liberals swing a little more to the right than you may be comfortable with with any other candidate. Trouble then is going to be, do you stay on the Hillary bus (if she runs) and stay the course with the party "mandate" or do some of you actually see the leadership and "closet vote" for him as the POTUS? Time will tell.
Old GOP comeback 2014 got so angry about his savor Jeb he hit the post button twice.
I know you look at your moniker (GOP comeback 2014) and don't really believe it. Neither does the majority of the country.
GOP Comeback, once again, I'm flattered you think someone would actually pay me to write these often ungrammatical and misspelled comments.
Amy--from what the FR article says, it looks like the GOP money folks are ready to fall in love with someone else before they do any research or polling to see if he/she is electable. They don't seem to learn the lessons from their past heartbreaks---like Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, etc., etc.
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I don't think the big money folks were ever in love with Sarah Palin, per se, they were just using her to motivate the rural working class who saw her as one of their own. She was a get-the-vote gimmick. The old money Republicans were the ones who thought of Sarah as a "Wasilla hillbilly."
GOPComeback, how is Amy suggesting Chris Christie as the face of the GOP's future smearing republicans? Her comment was anything but a smear except to naybobbers like you who think "old-monied republicans" is swearing.
"...President Obama waved the white flag in the budget battle over the sequester"
So says First Read....WOW.
Care to "headline" that conclusion ? Or have a detailed analysis of that startling conclusion?
No...after that brief foray into journalism, First Read goes immediately back to the 99% pro-Obama spin...
What's up with opening another new account here VP Bob?
Too ashamed to show who you really are after all of erroneous political predictions you have made in the past? lol
Speaks volumes about your lack of integrity, typical tea bagger, sneaking around and gaming the system!
VP Bob, it's sad that you could not honor the 6 month agreement.
Jeb should have run instead of George back in '99. Maybe we would have dodged all the horrors of the Bush 2 Administration. Jeb is clearly the smarter one.
But the name just has too much baggage. Same with Hilary Clinton. If Bush has skills he can serve just like HIlary did, just not in the top spot.
New ideas and new people are needed in the Republican Party. It's not Rubio - he's still too much in the old world camp. Not sure who that person is yet but they need to find somebody. Their CPAC speakers are like watching old Dean Martin Roast tapes - the same, old actors who's times are long gone.
READ MY LIPS. No more Bushes!
.....EVER....for ANYTHING
(and that goes for Cheneys too)
Bush III...just what we need...another regurgitation from the Republican royal family.
Thanks but no thanks.
So the Faux News for idiots crowd still worries about the senator when there are sitting republican senators who have admitted to having sex with prostitutes getting a free pass...actually Baby Huey Vitter from LA is a Faux News fav...
What does Jeb Bush DO? Does he have a job? Or, like Todd Palin, is he simply waiting in the wings?
I would like for Jeb and all the Bush family to go out, get real jobs, do real WORK, earn a real check and then come back. These people seem to think they are anointed to rule the rest of us by some sort of divine right and by virtue of their wealth and name.
They are not alone. This goes for all Romney people, anyone named Kennedy, Daley and all the rest. (And the Roosevelt's if there's any left.) Do they think we just can't get along without them?
Silly question...OBVIOUSLY Jeb Bush's job at the moment is to sell books!
DaNoid,
yes, selling his book.
BTW, don't all these politicans or wannabee have all the lobbyists, action pacs buy up their books by the truck load?
Just another form of vanity press, and a way to make some money funneled by their backers.
READ OUR LIPS NO MORE BUSH'ES!!!! No matter how much money Norquest and Rove can get to spend. I always wonder what their percentage of the take is?
Detroit has many problems. Not least among them is that its manufacturing base was mismanaged for several decades.
White Collar Auto points to any and all except HIS generation of mis-managers in the automotive sector. They rested upon the laurels won by their predecessors in the post-WWII U.S. heyday. First, Japan and Germany slipped under the collective radar of our "Big 3". Then, Korea and even lesser countries gave U.S. auto consumers what they wanted all while White Collar Auto and his cronies smoked cigars and patted each others' backs.
Now, these very same mis-managers spend their "golden years" fixing blame to anyone and everyone but themselves for the current dire straits in Detroit.
Mostly, thanks to President Obama, these duds are now safely on the sidelines. Our automotive industry, again thanks to President Obama, is making a come-back. If Detroit is to be saved, it will be by those with the wisdom to understand what built it in the first place. Any resurrection will not be on account of washed-up sideline snipers whose many fumbles are at the root of Detroit's woes. Detroit had already "hit the iceberg" long before its current cadre of politicians took charge.
Jeb Bush is now is showing us that he may not be a moderate republican after all. You know that far right factor that creeps in. It's sad that the GOP can't come up with anyone who is a moderate, but instead have to give into the way of the extreme operatives who are themselves giving into the far right-tea bag terrorists. When will someone stand up to this minority? Oh well, that’s why they will continue to lose the office of President.
Also, the problem Jeb has is he doesn't have a brother in office to rig the election outcome for him!!!
The same day Jeb announces his intent to run for the presidency he tacks hard right on immigration. Isn't it obvious he is just catering to the Tea party. McCain did this 2 years ago when he was staving off a primary challenge from the reprehensible Hayward joker in AZ. Is the Tea Party really that stupid to believe Jeb? Actually they probably are.
America has had enough Bushes! Only an imbecile would consider putting money in that campaign. Let him talk. Nobody listens past the name!
Imbecile = Karl Rove.
A third Bush in office would be the third strike, last out in a baseball game, knuckle ball, a swing, and a miss, end of game. Their History is testimony to where we are today, and should be held accountable for all they cost the United States.
I take everything about the Bushes deadly serious. They're a bunch of draft dodging little bullies and traitors who have been responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans and the ruination of our economy. They're as crooked, greedy and dishonest has they come. They're punks who are afraid of their own shadows and nearly turned the entire world against us.
Jeb Bush creates a real dilemma for the GOP... He's not a tea partyer by any stretch, and is not likely to pander to the right wing because he won't need to. He is, in fact, the most palatable of all the top tier Republicans to the great non-partisan middle based on his demeanor and his philosophy. But the Bush name is poison. He will need to clearly show early on that he is not his brother. If the Dems can make the case that he's just another Bush, he'll have problems
Although it is fun to keep repeating the "both sides" mantra, clearly there is only "one side" that is saying something different today than they were saying just a few short months ago.
Enough of the GOP bait-and-switch, dog-and-pony show. Enough of the screaming "we need leadership" out of one side of their mouths while simultaneously "refusing to follow" and complaining about "overreach" and "dicatatorships" out of the other.
Enough. Enough. Enough.
Either do the jobs you are STILL getting paid to do, or head into your much beloved "private sector" and "earn" your "dishonest" living without sucking off the teats of "the least of these" while simultaneously pretending to care about "budget cuts"
Puh-leese.
The DOW just rose to it's highest level ever, regardless of the Tea party. The teabaggers are having a collective meltdown right about now. Everything they have been preaching the past 3 years has just be proved WRONG. Get out of the way you scumbag teabaggers and let the democratic party control our economy. We are almost all of the way back from the Bush Depression. The market has just confirmed the election results of 2012. Now lets hear the teabaggers try to spin this one.
Well try this one on. How about the DOW has nothing to do with the real economy anymore and more to do with those "evil" corporate profits that are way up. I sure as hell isn't up because all of the companies that trade on it have hired hundreds or thousands of employees to improve the overall economy. It's profits that people invest in to make their money grow. While the DOW in the past has been an economic indicator to be reckoned with, as of late, it is all based on corporate performance and not the overall economic outlook for the average American anymore. It has turned into a retirement investment mill and something to make those "evil rich" richer.
How's that?
Nice spin but it won't wash. Try again.
Really? What the hell doesn't wash? 7.9 unemployment rate (today's "accounting" methods only), huge debt, GovCo dysfunction, high fuel and food prices. This all points to a strong economic outlook driving investors to jump on board?
Read the post again and this time ask yourself a few questions as you do. Like "could that be real?"
Talk--- while it's true these companys are making huge profits those profits are Not going back into the economy, why , maybe greed , lining the pockets of our well-to-do at the expence of the poor and middle class?
My point exactly old man - lotsanumbers. The left looks at the performance of the DOW and all of a sudden things are comin' up roses. What I tried to point out above is that is has nothing to do with the overall economy. Those profits aren't doing what they should be doing. Companies are healthy but it isn't helping the overall outlook a bit. We are stagnant except for the ups and downs of the DOW.
Talk --- We are taxed on our profits not our wealth, this is the reason higher taxes have worked so well in the past. By reinvesting that profit in the economy it acually lowers the taxes paid while helping the economy.I put my profit back into my community, read economy, lowwering my tax burden,lowwering my total taxes. I don't understand the " I'm being taxed to much"mentallity.
I'll be screamed at for speaking out this way but thats the way it goes.
Ken Cuccinelli could be the Rick Santorum of 2016, especially if, like Santorum, his own home state votes him down.
Potential 2016 GOP Primary field:
Chris Christie (as Jon Huntsman, part II - too moderate and too potentially popular with independents to win the nomination, dared to work with President Obama on something, already labeled persona non grata by the conservative movement),
Jeb Bush (as Mitt Romney, part II - establishment candidate with money, connections, name recognition, and a willingness to change his stance on any issue to placate the party and base),
Marco Rubio (as Rick Perry, part II - hardline conservative from a southern state, hailed as the party's messiah, untested on the national stage, and only famous for his gaffes so far, also too soft on immigration),
Paul Ryan (as Newt Gingrich, part II - an insider congressman with a national profile hilariously running as a Washington outsider who can fix the system, exceptionally skilled at the art of spinning and tailoring a message to an audience and then forgetting that with Youtube, it's really easy to spot lies and inconsistencies these days),
Ken Cuccinelli (as Rick Santorum, part II - extreme religious conservative who just can't contain his own extreme positions long enough to hide them in a campaign),
Rand Paul (as Ron Paul, part II - obviously)
Bobby Jindal (as Tim Pawlenty, part II - so desperate to be liked, so not happening)
Could be very entertaining, but it needs somebody really out there. It still needs a Michelle Bachmann and/or a Herman Cain. Maybe Allen West wants to run? Or Jim Demint? Bob McDonnell doesn't quite fit the bill.
Very Good Nathan!
You forgot Ted Cruz, the teabaggers' darling.
They are going to continue to pander to angry white guys right? I mean, I know I'm a shrinking demographic, but I was counting on youse guys to help me maintain my special privileges as long as possible.
Is Jeb Bush heartbroken about the millions of hard working people living below the
poverty line while the stock market and corporate earnings reach new highs? The
GOP and Bush dream for the rich comes true!!!!!
Those corporate profits and the all time high in the stock market are more about the weak economy and extraordinarily easy monetary policy than anything else. The fed has absolutely killed capital growth in the bond market and provided essentially free money for investors to borrow and buy stocks. Any investor seeking returns are forced into the stock market, because the bond market is and will be a loser until the fed quits buying US Treasuries.
The main reasons companies look so profitable is they have no place to invest their profits. Under normal conditions, a big chunk of the profit would be funding new adventures and creating new growth and new jobs, but the conditions now are not particularly friendly to investment.
So all those things you and the MSM think are wonderful signs are actually signs of illness, of an economy out of whack, like someone bragging about losing weight without dieting, not knowing yet, he has cancer.
Excuse me ... Obama is president right? In the last 6 years the rich have gotten richer and the poor poorer. GOP would be happy to take credit for the stock market if they were in charge! This is about the only thing that has actually been positive economically speaking.
Right.