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Subscribe to RSSVice President Joe Biden speaks to a group of high school students Thursday about the importance of renewing the Violence Against Women Act.
After over a year of legislative limbo, the House passed a reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) Thursday, ending the partisan bickering that has plagued the bill since it expired in September of 2011.
The final legislation passed the lower chamber by a vote of 286 to 138 after a protracted battle over an expansion of the law and its impact in tribal communities. A majority of Republicans voted against the legislation, with 87 GOP members and all Democrats supporting it.
In a statement, President Barack Obama praised the passage of the bill, which he called "an important step towards making sure no one in America is forced to live in fear."
"Over more than two decades, this law has saved countless lives and transformed the way we treat victims of abuse," he said. "Today's vote will go even further by continuing to reduce domestic violence, improving how we treat victims of rape, and extending protections to Native American women and members of the LGBT community."
Republican leaders first tried to pass a House-drafted version of the bill, which Democrats said did not do enough to protect gay couples, immigrants and Native Americans. That measure failed by a vote of 166 to 257.
The House then passed the same five-year reauthorization that was approved by Senate by an overwhelming majority in February.
The reauthorization of the law -– first sponsored by then-Sen. Joe Biden in 1994 –- had languished for months as the Democratic-led Senate and the Republican-led House wrangled over details of the legislation.
Speaking at a dating violence prevention event Thursday, Biden offered a personal thanks to those who fought for the reauthorization, saying that curbing violence against women is a "sacred commitment."
House Republicans objected to the Senate’s version of the bill because of what they called a constitutional issue surrounding the prosecution of non-Indian criminals on tribal lands. GOP lawmakers failed to insert language that would have allowed tribal authorities to prosecute non-Indians under federal guidelines, and give those criminals the ability to appeal to federal courts.
The White House previously threatened to veto an earlier version of the Republican-drafted legislation, arguing it would have rolled back current laws that help victims of domestic violence.
This story was originally published on Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:37 AM EST
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...but are they voting on the Violence Against Women Act or the Republican alternative, "YOU NOT PUNCH WOMAN!!!"
Vama passes and tomorrow the Republicans take a meat cleaver to the services that help abused women.
With sequestration where will these abused women go since services like shelters and child care will not be there to provide services to them???
Gotta give those non Native American perps a pass.....
chilled
Top GOP Senator: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/21/1619501/chuck-grassley-native-americans/
Can you believe the idiot?
HOW about dealing with the violence against FUTURE women through abortion?
Don't understand why it was held up for so long. Do they really care about the rapist's rights over the women's so much that they don't want Indian tribal leaders to have power to prosecute? If white rapists think they'll be treated with bias then they should stay away from Indian reservations. Can't understand why the Republican allowed this negative story about the Violence Against Women Act to ferment against them for two years. They need a publicist badly.
Agree Bev......Grassley is an idiot!
These lawmakers want to protect the lawbreakers......Since when did it change that the trial is held where the crime occured?
Does Grassley think that if he commits a crime in Washington, he will be tried in Iowa.....NOT!
Finally figured it out. Insanity is the national norm. Critical thinking and logic are now bastardized anomalies.
When was it ever OK to abuse or violate a woman, we need a special law for this, I had a mom and dad that tough me that it wasn't. We also need a special law that states you should pay a fair wage for a fair days work. Somethings worng here, real wrong.
SO it passed.. .
Now police departments will receive Funding from the Federal government based on the number of domestic violence arrests they make. They make more arrests the get more money..
Im sure there is NO WAY .. that will be abused.. It works SOOOOOO well with catching speeders.. why not kick it up a notch.. If you are a black man who gets into a arguemnt with your wife.. I'd watch out.. you know how well driving down the highways works out..
CRIME DOES PAY!! its who gets paid is the question.
What......this is the update?
Non Native Americans get a pass...Tribal authorities cannot prosecute non Native Americans who commit crimes on tribal lands?.......
When do they finally pass the Violence Against Tax Payers Act????
chilled /Let all of us hope that we will see that our Military Authorities take note and deal with their problems in abuse against their female members. It too should be met.
The article failed to mention the part where crimes against Native Americans on Tribal lands by non Natives were not prosecuted because the federal and local law enforcement people were always saying they didn't have the funds to pursue them.
This has been an open invitation for decades for sexual predators to invade Tribal lands as if they were gluttons feasting at an all-you-can-eat diner.
The attitude of the federal government carried over to situations off the reservations when Native Americans had to leave them for any reason. They are not protected by US laws when assaulted, forcibly run off roads and removed from their vehicles for the purpose of savage beatings.
They are the only group in the the country, other than the white population, who it seems you can't be accused of committing a hate crime against.
Scre, maybe a little up close and personal justice might be in order in and off the Res., get my drift?
FINALLY!
I am a retired attorney - for many years, we had one really great attorney who took on all these cases (representing the victim, male -5%, or female- 95%). The only way she could keep her office open (paying herself about $10 an hour and her staff minimum wage) was with grants through this program. Then they cut the grants and she simply couldn't do it anymore. Now the attorneys who do mainly family law (divorce, custody, child support) have to do them & not get paid, because virtually none of the victims can afford attorneys.
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This Act has ROUTINELY been re-authorized every 5 years, w/out fuss. No, with the Tea-Baggers, (you know, the ones who ride around in scooters paid for by Medicare, who hate the government & "socialist" programs!) everything takes 5x longer . . . even though eventually, stuff gets done. What a waste . . . esp with . . .
CONGRESS ON VACATION 2/3 OF THE TIME!
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FORWARD - 2014!:-)
@skyparrot:
I do. But consider this..
While Hispanic illegal aliens, black gang bangers, and white Russian gangs can prey on citizens of this country to whatever degree they wish, including rape and murder, without acquiring the label of terrorist, should any Native American be caught doing so it is highly likely that it will be pointed out that he is the citizen of a sovereign nation and that he will be branded a terrorist committing an act designed to incite fear and terror in the heart of America's homeland.
His act might even be used as a reson to confiscate the Tribal lands his People live on, and as an excuse to impose restrictions and confiscations on the other Tribes.
Of course, the key phrase here is "be caught doing so," because this has to stop. It has to stop.
I understand concern, maybe could discuss further with Kavika on a different thread? Obviously, this state cannot continue, something must be done.
Honestly, a majority of GOP House members go on record and vote against the "Violence Against Women Act" and then come next election cycle they will not be able to understand why their party has a problem attracting women voters.
I guess it's true that you just can't fix stupid.
It is stunning that a majority of House Republicans voted against this. There's no hope for avoiding the sequester with this House. Americans really have to learn - the GOP is wacky lunatic. It has less intelligence than a lot of our third parties, and really deserves to be regulated to third party status. Bring on the Libertarian, Green or Constitutional Parties! They are looking a lot more mainstream than the GOP.
Actually - check out Time magazine's remarkable chart on presidential demographic trends since Carter. You can just see Democratic support swelling under minority, women, and young people, even as the average voter becomes less white, more female and younger. Once our current set of Grumpy Old People (GOP) die off, we might well see the GOP shrink to third party status. They only appeal to lunatics as it is now.
Maybe Congress should always give bills inflammatory names that way no one can vote against them. Draft a new sequester bill and name it the Violence Against Puppies Act and put whatever you want in it. Who would ever think of voting against the Violence Against Puppies Act?
They're going to need a "Violence Against Republicans Act" pretty soon....
And to think that the Party of No would even think that this act was "debatable......"
Why does the Party of No hate Modernity?
Just asking.
Right now there are more people protected by the government then those that aren't. This means that the unprotected class is the new anti-establishment, anti-government revolution in the country. So keep toeing the government line you f#$%ing squares!!! We'll keep protecting ourselves from government oppression.
The Republicans wanted either to keep the status quo of non-Native Americans committing rapes getting a PASS or for our Federal courts to hear the appeals. Nope. The VAWA has passed WITH the inclusion of Native courts prosecuting Non-Native rapists and the Native courts handling the appeal. The argument from the Republicans for DECADES has been that since the reservations are held by sovereign nations, that the local and Federal courts CAN'T prosecute crimes committed on reservations, but if the perpetrator is non-Native then they refused to allow the tribal courts to prosecute. Now they want to grant a US appeal to a non-Native US citizen convicted of rape on reservations? Hah. That LITERALLY would be like demanding that a US citizen convicted in Italy or England or Japan MUST be granted an appeal in the US. If the US doesn't have jurisdiction to prosecute crimes on reservations, they don't have jurisdiction on the APPEAL, either. Also, if a US citizen commits a CRIME on reservation they should be TRIED on the reservation. If they don't want to face a tribal court, then I suggest they keep their A$$ES off the reservations.
"When do they finally pass the Violence Against Tax Payers Act????"
Stop whining about taxes. Taxes in this nation haven't been this low since the 1920s.
"Don't understand why it was held up for so long."
Simple --- President Obama was for it so Republicans had to be against it.
HOORAY!! It's about time! Leave it to the party of" Women should be 'subservient' ", to put off voting on this for so long! As the sister of a victim of domestic abuse, and voilence, I have been JUST a little bit P.O.'d about all the B.S., and delays. This renewal, sends a loud message that the wife beaters had better watch their backs!!!
Nomcoms, of course there is democratic support in minorities and women... the democratic party lies to gain their support. But what has the democratic party done for them??? Nothing.
I love this bill. Violence against women is already illegal, just like violence against men. Why do you need a separate law? And the article talks about the treatment of women of abuse and rape. How about PREVENTING abuse and rape? Nah... that would make too much sense. OH that's right... women are suppose to use whistles to stop rapists right? Not a gun... a whistle. Maybe harsh language... burps or farts... Before you rape me... pull my finger.
Liberals are so sad. You can't make an objective, rational decision. You can't connect the dots. Every stupid law or idea you have has consequences and effects other aspects of social and economic life in America. You won't be satisfied until America is a soft, PC version of Greece.
Wow, I don't think a single one of you libs read this bill.
Check out SA 21 (Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2013) put in by Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont). It basically defunds Combat Trafficking in Persons (TIP) and decriminalizes prostitution by minors.
But I guess you libs don't mind 13 year old prostitutes, so carry you stupid @!$%#s.
I'm confused. Is it legal to be violent against women now?
If they are asking for it, sure DickCranium... let 'em have it! ;)
The bill is to justify them murdering their husbands by claiming they were beaten.
And it is "improving how we treat victims of rape, and extending protections to Native American women".
So, when Native Americans don't want to pay taxes, they just play the "Native American" card and when they are beaten by their drunk shape-shifter husband, then they suddenly are Americans and use this bill for protection.
I just love that it doesn't help to STOP rape, just improves how we treat victims of rape. They still have to use their whistles to prevent rape, because guns will soon be banned.
about time.... sheesh!
When was the last time you were abused? What legislation do you need in place to protect you?
It's 2013...I thought women were equal to men. You are in combat now. You are police officers and firefighters. If you are on such equal levels, why do you need so much protection?
Educate yourself, Rob, there's more to the law than arresting abusers; try Google because your comment shows a level of chauvinism and ignorance you should try to resolve. BTW, rape in the military is a huge problem.
Rob-1647498
How do YOU define low information voter? Either you have lived a seriously sheltered life (like perhaps in a monastery) or your comment is rhetorical right-wing troll-like BS.
You and those like you are the reason the last Republican President is likely to BE the LAST Republican President.
I am educated on the topic. The law focuses on women and primarily ONLY women. Of course men CAN be included in the protection of the law...but it's rare.
See, we ignore real statistics. Women abuse men on MANY different levels. In aggressive arguments between couples, women are twice as likely to strike a man first and often as opposed to the reverse. Men get seriously injured in 38% of domestic violence acts by WOMEN.
Women hitting men is glorified in movies, commercials and the media. Currently there are numerous TV documentary shows which glorify "Female killers" and their acts. In the end, it's never portrayed as the woman being a vicious killer, but a scorn woman driven to violence at the hands of a cheating man who "deserved" it.
Songs often condone female violence against men as acceptable..Carrie Underwood won a friggin Grammy for her song. Recently in the news (Yahoo video), a man destroyed his wifes car and put her on front street after he discovered she was cheating. People highly criticized him for his actions saying he was unjust and violent!!
Do you see the hypocrisy? If we didnt live in a world where women suggest they are as strong, powerful, capable and 100% equal to men, it wouldnt be as much of an issue. But, women STILL want EQUAL but SEPARATE!! I doesnt work that way.
Mom mean to you?
Ol Doc,
I define "low information voter" as one who is lead by the collar without thinking (such as yourself). Do research and find facts and you will see the bias. But, I know that doesnt fulfill your personal agenda of making only YOURSELF feel better. I know you want the world to be rainbows and harmony, but no matter how much you try to convince yourself and ignore facts to make it "seem" as though that is the case...the reality is still going to slap you in the face sooner or later.
How hard is it to see the contradiction? How does Obama get on TV and talk about how women are strong and equally as capable as men and stronger in MANY cases...but still need loads of protection under the law!!
Call it like it is. BS propaganda. See, they get votes that way. Tell women they are strong and equal to men...they cheer and say, YEAH, we'll vote for you cause you care about us. Then tell them they are abused and deserve protection and they will cheer and say YEAH, we'll vote for you because you care.
It's the ultimate in manipulation.
Rob-1647498
Wow Rob, you really are a victim. Was it your mother? I spent 9 years as a Paramedic in both inner cities and rural areas and guess what...I never ran on a wife murdering her husband through physical abuse. I did however, run on a rather sickening number of serious male on female violence situations up to and including murder.
Yes female on male violence does happen, it's relatively rare (at least compared to male on female) but it does happen. You have issues Rob, I suggest you seek help.
Rick,
Nope. She wasnt mean. I just looked up the definition of "equal" and made a logical mental connection.
Last I checked...equal was 50/50. Unless you define equal as 70/30, 60/40 or some other fraction. But, I guess that does account for gender norming practices.
Nothing like being a 5, but being told you're a 10 all your life. See any implications in that mindset?
No Rob, you are not educated on this topic. More women are abused than men are. More women are raped by men than men are raped by women. You probably, along with other low informed right wing trolls think that by women not having sex with a male is abuse.
That is what the GOP thinks, it's plain by their actions. Do you see your HYPOCRISY? Do you, really? Men are, by nature, stronger in upper body strength. So it's very easy for a man to slap/hit women around. Not so easy for a woman to do so to a man.
Yes, some women can do that. Some can also super glue your penis to your leg if you cheat on them. I suppose you blame the woman for abuse then, right? I see the woman being abused by her husband cheating on her, and payback is a b itch, isn't it.
What it boils down to is the GOP is just continuing their war on women. And you think you will get the women's vote in 2014. The Gop just may, as a whole, really be abused by the backlash of not receiving many votes. Then you will be squealing again about educated you are on that matter, right?
Ol Doc,
Check out a 2005 study by Hamel in which is was determined that men and women emotionally and physically abuse one another at equal rates!! However all relating studies indicated "women are substantially more likely to exhibit pyschological aggression".
Furthermore, it is FACT that emotional is just as damaging as physical...you carry it with you for years or life in some cases.
Sally Ann,
You refer to me as a Republican...way to generalize. Im not. Not am I Democrat or liberal.
Again, you condone physical abuse towards men as retaliation for cheating. Let me tell, as a single man in my mid 20's to early 30's...there is NO shortage of women willing to cheat on their husbands. No shortage at ALL!! Good women too with careers and success.
Do another study on that too Sally Ann...women cheat just as often as men!! The numbers are impossible for men to cheat more if the gender split is roughly 50/50. These men have to be sleeping with SOMEONE. You mean to tell me that there are more single women out there than single men? LOL!!
Rick lotsanumbers writes:
Then we will never hear from you on the subject of abortion, right?
Who the hell is Rick lotsanumbers?
I did the research. I worked the streets as a Paramedic for over 8 years. Mutilation and death are more serious than emotional trauma alone. Perhaps the folks doing the study should have ridden along with me.
And don't attempt to lecture me on emotional trauma. I work with disabled veterans on a daily basis. I'm quite familiar with physical trauma, emotional trauma nearly every combination of the two and guess what...being beaten to death is still worse.
Rob, if your so freaking educated, then why the he!! do we need special laws they state if someone is abused or violated we going to do something special about it. I thought it was all ready a crime?
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Rob/ I see where you are coming from.When I was in my mid teens I had a disagreement with a date.Nothing in a sexual nature, but to my amazement she lost her temper and when I turned my back on her she grabbed me by my new and expensive shirt and tore it off my back. My friends laughed and I walked away in embarrassment.
Ol Doc,
I am myself a veteran...a 30% disabled veteran. I also happen to work for the federal prison system. I started my work in the Residential Drug Treatment Program (aka RDAP) in Indiana. I now work with female federal offenders in Texas.
These are some of the most abusive and abused people in the entire NATION. I can tell you with 100% certainty...males are subject to abuse on levels equal to females both emotionally and physically. You simply dont hear about it!! The stories these men have would blow your mind. We have approximately 175,000 male federal inmates nation wide. Over 75% of them are victims of abuse...a significant portion was at the hands of females (mothers in most cases).
Also, I dont know WHERE you heard that mutilation and death are more harmful than emotional trauma. It's common basic psychological knowledge. Death leaves no harm to the deceased...only EMOTIONAL trauma to the relatives, friends and peers of the deceased. The mutilation leaves one with a physical disability or impairment...but the EMOTIONAL scarring is the #1 reason people with mutilation seek post treatment!!
Thank you for your service, I'm a 70% disabled veteran. I also work for the Federal Government in more of an oversight position.
Now I understand where you are coming from. Dude...you work with the worst of the worst. These aren't a reasonable cross-section of Women in America any more than a Men's prison represents a cross section of Men in America.
Hell yes they are...they're in prison! I'm not going to argue with you regarding frequency of attacks except to say I have seldom seen much beyond a slap, a bite or on occasions a stabbing in terms female on male violence (all not lethal). As to male on female I've see gunshot wounds, multiple stabbings, sexual mutilation, death of children in close proximity...you name it.
Where I heard? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I haven't heard...I've cleaned up the mess! How in the hell can you separate death and mutilation from emotional trauma? You think because someone suffers physical trauma they are exempt from emotional trauma from the same attack? And yes, part of the trauma is the emotional trauma to friends, and relatives. The saying goes "when the patient dies, the family become the patient". I understand what you are saying but in my personal opinion you are comparing a fire cracker with a hand grenade.
SallyAnn in response to Rob, wrote:
No Rob, you are not educated on this topic. More women are abused than men are. More women are raped by men than men are raped by women. You probably, along with other low informed right wing trolls think that by women not having sex with a male is abuse.
That is what the GOP thinks, it's plain by their actions. Do you see your HYPOCRISY? Do you, really? Men are, by nature, stronger in upper body strength. So it's very easy for a man to slap/hit women around. Not so easy for a woman to do so to a man.
Yes, some women can do that. Some can also super glue your penis to your leg if you cheat on them. I suppose you blame the woman for abuse then, right? I see the woman being abused by her husband cheating on her, and payback is a b itch, isn't it.
What it boils down to is the GOP is just continuing their war on women. And you think you will get the women's vote in 2014. The Gop just may, as a whole, really be abused by the backlash of not receiving many votes. Then you will be squealing again about educated you are on that matter, right?
SallyAnn, are you telling me the items I put in bold from your response to Rob were not already covered by existing laws? We all know exactly what this is about, Obama & Democrats making wedge issues to divide the electorate/nation. Another law won't do jack $hit to protect women, minorities, aliens, or even men. Enforcement of existing laws would be more effective.
SallyAnn: Yes, some women can do that. Some can also super glue your penis to your leg if you cheat on them. I suppose you blame the woman for abuse then, right? I see the woman being abused by her husband cheating on her, and payback is a b itch, isn't it.
I'm confused. Are you saying that it is acceptable for someone in a romantic relationship to use Super Glue on the genitalia of their partner if that person is unfaithful?
VAWA, another Federal Government law that is really unnecessary. Isn't assault, abuse etc., against women already illegal in State law? Aren't most assault laws prosecuted in State courts? Are we saying that States are not capable of enforcing their own laws, so the Feds should take over jurisdiction?
Isn't there a murder case going on in Arizona now where a woman stabbed her lover 27 times then shot him? Was he protected by Federal Law, NO, why because he was a white male. Case is being handled by State court, where all murder, assault, & abuse cases should be tried. Of course the states like to take the Federal money for abuse programs, but they have the resources, and they do, to help abused, regardless of gender, or sexual orientation.
When will I see a Violence Against Everyone Act? Guess Animal Farm was right "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"
They want equal rights except when _______— (fill in the blank)
But theres plenty of money to fund abortion clinics
Sow, listen up, no FEDERAL $$ goes to fund abortions, meanwhile its none of your business--I don't know of any wife/partner/spouse that enjoys getting the sh!t beat out of them and is an activity of personal choice--how inane to even attempt to compare the two.
SF, believe what you cited was more an act of murder, assuming the man died, VAWA is gender blind--unfortunate name of the bill, but protection/resources there for men too.
hardtostarboard
No existing law of any kind protects Native American women and children, or men for that matter, from rape and assault from non Natives even while they are on their Reservation land.
The criminals are not allowed to be arrested and prosecuted by the Tribal police. They have to be dealt with by the Federal government, or by the "white" government of the state in which the Reservation is located.
Unfortunately, that is never done. If they are by some fluke arrested the charge is pleaded down to a misdemeanor, a fine is paid, and the criminal never sees the inside of a jail or does any time. A politician actually had the nerve to say he didn't want this bill passed because a white man couldn't get a fair hearing by an Indian.
Care to comment?
Then this whole thing is a made-up issue and there is no problem, right?
screminmimi, I have a very hard time believing what you say is true. The absurdity of it is mind boggling. You're telling me we've gone through 50 years of fighting for civil rights in our country and Native Americans are not covered by existing state or federal laws from something so egregious as rape and assault? I mean really? If what you say is true then shame on every president, senator, and congressman/woman who has ever served over that period of time. Then add to the list all the Native American Tribal leaders, where were their voices on this in the past? Its not like Native American issues have never been in the national discussion, and as a former resident of South Dakota, this was never a topic of discussion, either at the state or national level. Now if by chance what you say is even 1/2 true, then why not call it for what it is, the Protection of Native Americans Act?
hardtostarboard
Seriously? You're from South Dakota and don't know that a non-Native American charged with rape of a Native American has to be turned over to Federal, State, County or City authorities? You're from South Dakota and don't know there are communities surrounding Reservations that are, shall we say "less than sympathetic" to Native Americans? ...interesting.
Ol_Doc - In response to your post at 2.27: I never said it was a made-up issue or that there was no problem. I said it was an issue best left up to the STATES and not the Federal Government. The Left wing Democrats will never be happy when the Federal Government takes over all law enforcement in the United States. The problem for violence against anyone, regardless of gender, is best left up to the State and local governments. Every time the Feds get involved it is only for trying to please a certain voting block and attach Federal requirements to everything.
sfcret
Oh, like voter's rights...left up to North Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama and Texas...got you.
hardtostarboard, Native Americans on the reservation are on SOVEREIGN SOIL. Non-Native people who go onto the reservation and commit rapes are NOT prosecuted. The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has declared that since reservations are SOVEREIGN SOIL, the local (outside of the reservation) and Federal legal systems CAN NOT BE USED. It has also declared previously that NON-Native criminals can not be tried in Tribal/Native courts. So yes, crimes committed by NON-Native men on NATIVE women HAVE NOT BEEN PROSECUTED. EVER. That's why it was a hotly debated part of THIS VAWA and why the Republicans wanted to add in there a right to appeal to FEDERAL courts. The problem is that the Republican party has fought tooth and nail to KEEP non-Native people OUT of Native courts and to prevent the Native people from having recourse to Federal courts. They CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
Ol Doc, it's worse than turning over the non-Native person over to local courts ... they LITERALLY could not be tried in local or Federal courts because of the jurisdictional issue. Just as WE can not prosecute someone for a crime they committed in Japan or Mexico or Germany, we are barred from prosecuting someone in the US courts for crimes committed on reservations because they are SOVEREIGN soil. But we refuse to turn over non-Native Americans to tribal courts as soon as they step off the reservation. SO non-Native rapists and batterers ARE NOT PROSECUTED for crimes committed on reservations. PERIOD. EVER.
Ol_Doc - We were talking about the VAWA and not voting rights. But for your information, I do not think the VRA should only pertain to certain states and districts (mostly in the South). It is time to end all laws based on race, sexual orientation, gender, and affirmative action. How much longer are the whites of today have to pay for the so called "sins" of their forefathers?
sfcret
I'd say when we can elect a black president and not have the other party hound him for his birth certificate because there's "something different about him" ...he's just not "one of us".
Prior to this, Native American victims of sexual assault by non-natives on their reservations were tried in the Federal courts. In my state, South Dakota, there are four federal court houses: Sioux Falls, Rapid City, Pierre and Aberdeen. There is only one US Attorney who covers the entire state. Domestic violence cases take a lower priority and drug cases take a higher priority. Also many Native women lack the money or the means of transportation to travel to the nearest Federal courthouse. Because of this, many cases go unreported because the victim can't travel to court for the hearings.
This is the case in states that are not covered under Public Law 280, which is the case in South Dakota. PL280 grants certain states jurisdiction over Indian lands.
As far as male domestic violence victims go, there is a stigma with it and that's why it goes unreported. Instead of arguing about how VAWA is sexist, why not try and work to get rid of this stigma so male victims will report their abuse without feeling ashamed or judged. Work to change the system. Work to establish shelters for male victims of domestic violence. Most of the time they are not allowed in the existing shelters, but the shelter will give them a voucher for a hotel room.
Maybe Rob was abused in the Catholic Church as a little boy, and now has a feeling of being "left out?"
Maybe?
This crappy piece of legislation should have been called "The Guilty Until Proven Innocent" act...
hardtostarboard
Sorry I'm late getting back to the thread and hope you haven't gone to sleep.
If you don't believe what I posted about the lack of protections for Native Americans, please be so kind as to Google the Bonta family in Fernley, NV and Patty Dawson in Clovis, CA.
They are Native Americans who were unlucky enough to get caught being Indian off the Rez. Run off the public highway, pulled from their vehicles and beat within and inch of their lives with chains, baseball bats and fists... for being Indians. Two of the Bontas wound up in hospital unconscious (one was female); Mr. Bonta, who was driving the car, was thrown in jail even though he was unconscious and bleeding with other injuries.
Of course, the sheriff was the father of one of the attackers. Most of the time, the Indians are asked, "What did you do to cause this?"
Happens all the time. It's never covered in the news, as is every sneeze and hand gesture directed at Hispanics and Blacks and Muslims. And yes, I'm dead serious, the rapes and assaults are NOT prosecuted.
Please explain.
screminmimi
He's not going to answer you...he's never read the law. He's only heard the Rush Limbaugh interpretation of the law which can be summed up in his one line comment.
John Boehner, worst speaker ever!
Barack Obama, worst president ever!
Fixed your post for you. Ypu're welcome!
Boehner is certainly the weakest I can remember...
and i believe it was pelosi -- not much to discuss.
George W Bush, worst president ever!
John Boehner hates government so much that the House comes back from a long break, works 3 days, and then goes on another break.
Everyone who likes Boehner must love paying Republicans and their staffs to work less than 57% of the days. Everyone who voted for House Republicans should give every one of their employees full compensation to work 57% of the time.
Nancy Pelosi worst speaker ever. Can't read! That's why we have laws passed that need to be re-done. The Health care bill will cost you a million man hours in paper work, they didn't tell you that. You are going to have to fill out and file the insurance claims no one is going to do that for you, and your job isn't goin to give you the time off to do it. Insurance companies don't work on Saturdays and Sundays.
...hey "bubba..." , "The health care bill will cost you million man hours of paper work", really? First off, who was the "who" in that article you "half-vast", read? Second, a " million man hours", compared to what? Maybe a million compared to 1.5 million, currently, isn't a bad thing! Then you say "You are going to have to fill out and file the insurance claims, no one is going to do that for you": hadn't heard that one before, but haven't been able to find confirmation yet, did you read that one, or just "hear it" somewhere; and, finally, "insurance companies don't work on Saturdays and Sundays", precious, simply, precious! Get where this is going, bubba! And what a "handle", by the way, couldn't have prayed for a better one for this particular purpose; simply too easy for words. Bubby, buddy, here's the deal: it's as if you chose to show up for a gunfight, with a "nail file" in hand. Are you getting my "drift"? You don't belong here, my friend. You are beyond your depth. Come back, when you've gotten your GED, and gotten off the drugs. Have a great day, "bubba"...
When you buy your own insurance, you are going to do your own work buddy! Filing claims about going to the doctor, he will fill out his part but you are goin to have to fill out your part and submit your portion of the claim, didn't they tell you that BOZO! You won't have insurance through work any more where an HR person will submit there portion and your's, you will be doing the work of the company HR person. GOOD LUCK.
yes there is much to discuss... she was/is one of the most effective house leaders. that's why repuks dislike her.
She easily showed government can work. Unlike the current house leader that is THE MOST Ineffective leaders ever.
Here find out how your Congressman voted on the issues.
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24 year old talks about the VAWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uQMLM4vGbtI
Talk to the Hand,
A comment to you and that sweet young thing on youtube.
I am a psychologist, with two grown children and a happy marriage of more than 34 years. Besides, the trauma victims I have counselled in my office, I volunteer at a shelter for battered women(/and often children).
I challenge that young libertarian to 30 full days of volunteer work at one of these shelters, and I need her to be there in the early mornings and late nights, when most women and children arrive. I also challenge you to ride in the back of a police cruiser for 30 nights as a citizen observer. I have heard more brave cops and firemen cry about the horrors they have witnessed. Yes, I agree some women are aggressors, but never have I seen the level of pervasive, stalking hatred as I have seen from men. One of my colleagues, is still be harrassed by her ex-husband of more than 11 years, with her children often caught in the middle of his consuming, out of control verbal and emotional abuse.
Take me up, you two chippy people, I freaking dare you.
Oh Jody, ohhhh, thank you for your from the heart post--so much ignorance and blame the victim, these people don't have the clue of the horrors endured and survived. Thank you again.
So much ignorance and arrogance from one so young. I wonder what she'll have to say in another 10 years, after she's actually stopped contemplating her own navel and seen how other people live. Or worse, had herself gone through an abusive relationship.
Do men have any issues that deserve national attention? Any at all?
Rob-1647498
I get it now...angry old white man...poor me, I'm so discriminated against. All those mean black/brown/female/young ...people aren't nice to me. It must be Obama's fault...would you like something for your Tea?
Rob lotsanumbers asks:
Why yes Rob, they do. They seem to be more prone to perpetrating violence against women than women are prone to perpetrating violence against men. Does that answer your question.
Perhaps Robbie is inviting us to a party. If we bring the cheese, he'll pprovide the whine!
He's already given us the whine, I wish the fart would cut the cheese.
This is beyond hilarious. Im a whopping 35 years old, make $45K a year, Im an athiest, NOT a Republican, nor Democrat, nor Liberal. I've been in an interracial relationship with a Hispanic woman for the better part of 10 years, Im a single father of 3 boys aged 9-13 years, I get NO child support, Im a disabled veteran too.
See, Im at the bottom of the heap. But, I understand TRUE equality and I understand deserving. You deserve only what you earn and equal IS 50/50. Life has no favors and there is NO free lunch.
Hard core liberals have perfected the art of whining and receiving...even when it isnt warranted or deserving.
Ol_Doc: I get it now...angry old white man
I'm curious. Do you use the descriptor "angry old white man" for someone such as Ed Schultz? Why do you use age, race and sex as pejoratives for someone with whom you disagree?
I don't necessarily. I use it in this case to describe the Republican base. And yes, sometimes I would describe Ed Schultz as an angry white man. Sometime I would describe myself as an angry old white man...sometimes it's useful to describe my a) state of mind, b) generational orientation, c) ethnic orientation, d) orientation based on my gender; in order to help the reader understand where I'm coming from. Do you have a problem with that?
Pass the ERA. At present, we are using "selective equality". Which is no equality at all!
Ol_Doc: Do you have a problem with that?
I want to understand why some choose to use someone's physical form to insult them, and to see if those who do engage in it believe that it is ok for everyone to do the same.
Sorry, couldn't tell you skippy.
Who cares? You've already gone above and beyond proving you're an @!$%#!!
"Hard core liberals have perfected the art of whining and receiving...even when it isnt warranted or deserving."
Well it's like this Rob -- I don't believed one word you said about yourself. It's a script straight out of right wing radio.
44 worst President Ever
Actually 43 the worst. Hell, 43 wasn't even elected on the first go around.
Funny how all the GWB lovers forget that important little fact. Love Ol Doc's comment above as well . . .
No 44 is...Moron cant do anything but blame. For liberals, that's a success..
How much are you paid Job1@NBC?
Bush accomplishments:
Worst terrorist attack in the nation's history
Worst recession in 100 years
Two wars (one of which was entirely unecessary and the other without a strategy)
Increased the budget deficit by 1.4t (Obama has reduced the deficit since)
But he did give tax cuts to the rich, so I guess it wasn't all that bad.
Nope, 43 is the worst and 44 is the best. Heck 44 was actually ELECTED twice by the people with over 50% of the vote. Remember 43 is the actual Moron, and the FACTS back the case. PERIOD!!! End of story!!!!
The thing that really gets the conservatives goat about Obama is that he is the first President since Reagan to change the direction of the arc of America's political leanings. Let's look at what has been or will be accomplished during his time:
I would be interested to know what criteria Caesar and his fellow travelers use to categorize Obama as the worst president. After all, we've had the trio of Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover who presided over the lead-in to the Great Depression, or did not have a clue as to how to extract us from it. We also had one named Nixon, who campaigned on a secret plan to end a war, and then ran it on for another 5 years with triple the casualties, then had to resign to avoid impeachment for major illegalities. Finally we had George W. Bush, who read My Pet Goat while the US was under atatck, then started a couple of wars (on credit), ran the economy into the ground and spent us into a huge debt mess. I'm having a lot of trouble identifying how Obama is worse than any of those yahoos, unless we count being President while black as the key element in the judgment.
Succinct post Cal, thanks.
cal
you didn't mention it was truman that started foreign aid (giving away our taxes) it was the dems that reneged on securing our borders after Reagan passed amnesty, it was clinton that signed the free trade agreement with china that started the off shoring of our jobs it was obama that passed a bill according to pelosi we have to pass to know whats in it.As you can see it's the dems that want to give away our tax dollars and our jobs and then blame the repubs
Reality. is that good enough? or in Neverland do you see it different?
cal
I forgot to mention sen. obama voted for the wars you speak of
And it was W responsible for 4,477 Americans body bagged and tens of thousands killed in a false unpaid for war, Haliburton et al made billions and we are still trying to pay off that credit card.
No, he did not.
yes he did cause the repub web site said he did and i don't know how to fact check but that would make me a demo wouldn't it
Here find out how your Congressman voted on the issues.
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you mean the war that was passed by a bipartisan congress? the one that democrats now say the were for it before they were against it.
No Oblamo didnt vote for the conflict. that is true.. he wanted his own in Libya, that violated the war powers resolution act
Are you talking about the Marshall Plan?
That didn't happen. the dems couldn't renege on border security after Reagan passed amnesty because Reagan never secured it in the first place.
Nixon opened the door to Chinese Trade in 1972...I do believe he was a republican.
Really? Obama passed a bill? In what capacity did Obama pass a bill? If you mean when he was a Senator..he had help. If you mean as President...he didn't pass sh!t. Presidents don't do that.
The last 30 years would indicate that it the republicans transferring wealth from the middle class to the wealthy...but thanks for playing.
It's sickening how all the Demoncrats and the 47%ers on here suck BHO's wang so hard... you'd think at some point they'd wake up and actaully start caring about the country!
The Demoncrats have bought those in the 47%... there is no way Republicans will ever get elected to the Presidency for decades... as long as the Demoncrats give away free stuff to the lazy 47%ers, we'll never have a good President.
ol doc
sorry had to work
Yea nixon tried but did it in an attempt to draw the fire away from him and the police action called nam say thanks to the dems for that one.The repubs did not side with tricky on the talks so it was left alone but it was ole clinton who signed it.The Marshal plan was under truman to rebuild europe that other countries helped demolish. Marshal was one of trumans guys and dem. If you want to argue about the hcb and all you have is my misprint about obama passing a bill your right. If you want to look at it as the dems blindly followed their leader not knowing what was in the bill then ya obama passed it
"No 44 is...Moron cant do anything but blame."
Whenever I hear that “stop blaming Bush” line, I chuckle at the very short memory you Republicans have. From 1976 to 1992 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Carter of everything wrong in the entire universe. Some of you even blamed him for the housing crash in 2007 even though he left office more than a quarter of a century earlier. Then from 1992 to 2008 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Clinton for everything that was wrong in the entire universe. You blamed Clinton for 9/11, for the housing crisis, even for the massive deficits of the Bush administration. So – using the standard you set – the left has another 29 years to blame Bush for everything just to pull even with you.
Sadden American 2012
What he said:
What he meant:
Damnit...guess we'll have to stop wearing white sheets.
One more in a long list of legislation that should have been voted on last year but the House under the leadership of John Boehner failed. While I say it is about time, it appears to be one more piece of legislation put before the House today in order to distract the media and the pubic from its failure to do something about the looming sequester, the looming government shutdown, the looming debt ceiling. Boehner speaks about cans getting kicked down the road without ever acknowledging that it is his party that keeps kicking the can down that road. Whether it is the VAWA, the budgets, the debt ceiling, the sequester--just kick the can further ahead and maybe it will just go away.
Remember the public will be keeping score on this vote!!!
Does Bill Clinton have to worry about Monica now?
I doubt it rober, she got here revenge, little as it was. But this is completely different than having oral sex in the oval office, which made a bunch of the GOP jealous because they didn't get any.
But don't kid yourself, your clown show of candidates running for the GOP ticket shot themselves in the foot with the birth control pill controversy, queer fat Rush calling a female, who was talking about her roommate, not herself, a slut over the air waves. Yes, real good PR for the GOP, yes?
Now the vote over this, the women will be keeping score on the vote, rest assured of that. No matter what your dirty old men that run the GOP says, your war on women is not going to succeed. One reason, women outnumber the men in the US. And what makes you think the GOP women will vote for the GOP. Last election proved they didn't, next one may really show it.
SallyAnn- I think the GNOP are jealous because they are relegated to gettin' "it"in bathroom stalls or hot sheet motels...and not the "Oval" Office.....
As to how a woman could even fathom to vote for a republican boggles the imagination....I mean for a party that preaches less government intervention,,,,how do they get away with all those incursions in to the female body regarding birth control and abortion......yet freely support the male "enhancement" pills...
I guess my expressions from Nov. still hold true....GNOP Can't handle the truth......
"Smile'n Bob" is a republican!
Rober, still envious of that famous BJ, can't past Old Bill getting a little--sure Hillary took care of Bill in a very private manner--come on leave it alone, very old news. Meanwhile has nothing to do with getting the sh!t beat out of you (male and female) now does it?
So up to now there has been no laws against violence? Who knew?
I really don't get that part either. Aren't the current laws adequate? Does this make any real new laws?
That really depends on the part of the country you are living in. In some inner cities it also depends on your race and ethnicity. If you live in America...justice should be equally applied.
VAWA is funding for shelters, counseling, hot lines and other related resources for getting the sh!t beat out of you or maimed, or your children threatened, support for relocation, legal issues etc. This applies to spousal/partner abuse--male and female. Guess giving a white perpetrator carte blanche on the res. is ok with white law makers such as Grassley--unfathomable. Didn't catch protection of "partner" protection, will assume it was left intact. Oh, guess if illegal/undocmented don't bleed red or bones don't get broken, don't get maimed, and if you do SOL folks, just lie down and die or live with it the best you can.
Gotta love the GOP/Baggers stick it to the most vulnerable again, oh, we will remember, 2014 looms folks, vote the boogers out.
Rob--50/50 really, where is my equal pay? Make $.72 to your $1.00--some 50/50 and nobody is trying to look up your skirt on a daily basis and telling you how to behave in the bdroom---pfft!
How about passing a bill called violence against the constitution act as well?
The Constitution is find. However, the Supreme Court has a problem, that I hoping gets corrected when or if the President gets one or two more appointments.
Hillary will get a couple.
A majority of Republicans voted against the legislation. We will remember the names in 2014.
JOB1, oh yes indeedy, we will remember--am checking the roll call for florida delegates--know Rubio voted No along with 6 other dolts.
You mean you think Republicans are wrong for thinking women should get equal treatment as men? You are a hateful sexist libtard. And your little parrot, too.
Watch out, parrots eat and do fly bye droppings on mangy bird killers. Meanwhile, VAWA covers spouses and partners--get yourself together. Have yet to see men as a gender group get beaten, burned, slashed, terrorized emotionally, physically and financially as a matter of course and practiced as a way of life for some men, a generational thing, after all daddy did it and its good enough for me--that about sum it up?
The GOP makes me want to vomit. They really are stuck in medieval times. And I was a Goldwater Republican. He said in his autobiography that the worst thing that could happen to the GOP would be letting the religious right ( Farwell and Robertson at that time ) get control of it. Well they did. And the Catholic Church is dominant now. Sayonara Goofy Old Partiers.
Hi Ed,
I was an Ike, William F. Buckley type of Republican. Buckley also tried to keep the far righties out (especially, the John Birch Society founded by the cutest of the Koch brothers). I gave up on the party as well, as they tilted into the land far removed from my political and religious views.
What takes the cake is the idiotic notion that the Republicans want to force women to have vaginal explorations and ban the birth control pill. Yeah, the party of no government intrusion in the private life -- except they don't see women as private citizens, only as chattal or dumb brood mares. I personally do not favor abortion, and bless the fact that the birth control pill has significantly reduced the # of abortions. But I am also old enough to have lived in the time before abortion was legal. A time when women died horribly due to back alley or abortions caused by driving paper clips and other items into their uterus.
Wow, I looked at both my two posts, and know in part my vitriol comes from watching the show about the history of women over the past century.
All I can say is finally! It's about damm time!
This is unnecessary law. There are more women than men. They live longer than men. They have more wealth than men. They are better educated than men. And for professional women under the age of 30, they earn more than men.
Maybe we should stop making laws that favor women. Lets even the playing field.
I am for American laws - if one has to be made for a special group then I fail to see the equality in the law.
Well Bill, guess we bleed more and have the unfortunate physiology of being able to be broken more easily, then again if we get broken so will our children or they will be the next in line to get an attitude adjustment, or the other mind set--if I can't have you nobody else will either, or see what you made me do--broken nose, busted ribs, slashed, burned and its all your fault you slut you, should have done what I told you to do.
Stop making laws favoring women--really, well stop beating, maiming and killing us and would be happy to go with the flow. As for professional women under 30, make more money than gender counter-part, really, maybe its because we are smarter and better educated, ever think of that?
Okay Parrot, By the way, nice to have you back. Must not have been enough libtard agenda stories lately, huh? Anywho - I want you to keep the same attitude you pretend to have here when discussing females in combat, police officers, firefighters, etc. Tell us then how much easier a female is to break. Or will your story change with the agenda? I'm guessing from your past postings that it certainly will. Stoopid libtard sheep. obaa-baa-ma gimme my obamaphone!!
ooooh, "sky..." don't be so mean! The "intellectually afflicted" deserve a little compassion, no? They know not what they do, nor who the hell they're "flexing with" most of the time. They just point their dirty-nailed, stubby little digits" at the helpless keyboard, let 'er rip, and wait to see what happens! Great post!
HAHAHA Yoda, I was going to use that line - almost - about you stoopid libtards. "Forgive them, for they know not what they say - they only know what they're told to say." HAHAHAHA Stoopid libtard sheep. obaa-baa-ma gimme my obamaphone!!
Here find out how your Congressman voted on the issues.
To Bill,
(Somehow this went to a new thread)
There was an interesting newspaper article in a London newspaper about a year and a half ago titled:
Young Men - Unmotivated, Uneducated, Unemployable, Unmarriageable -- Women are doing better today in many areas of education because they are working harder in school beginning in Junior High. They outperform the guys - and universities choose the student with a strong track record, not just the last year's marks.
If you and other "real men" got up and yanked your sons and grandsons off of their videogames and out of the basement, and made them study, young boys and young men would be better prepared for education and the work force. If you only sit there and whine about women getting ahead, enjoy the dust. The girls in high school now and the millennials are not going to stop. You can try to berate them, guilt them, hit them, but I assure you that you will not stop them.
The brits are having as much trouble with their young men, as we seem to be having.
So for now violence against women is LEGAL!? Man, howcome no one told me!! I'm going home right now and punching my wife in the face while I still can!
Why not. Apparently violence against men is condoned and accepted.
Rob,
I don't think it is condoned and accepted, just not reported as you stated on a earlier post. Men are most certainly abused by women, mothers and spouses. My brother takes a lot of mental and physical abuse from his spouse who suffers from bi-polar disorder. I worry she may kill him someday in the middle of a bad episode. I think most men are too embarrased to report it, so they just take as my brother does. He never strikes back though, just leaves til the episode subsides and/or meds take effect again.
So Lois, Why don't YOU report it? If you saw some man beating a woman, you would, right? There's the double standard. Double standards are an integral part of the lib-world views on acceptable behaviors.
catlover589,
I am not aware of it happening until it is way past the point of reporting it. Besides, my brother obviously loves her or he would not stay in the relationship as long as he has. Did you read the part where my sister-in-law has mental health issues?
Sorry Lois. That doesn't work. A crime is a crime. It should be reported. Unless, of course, you believe that violence against men is somehow okay? Maybe your brother "did something to deserve it."? Sorry, I don't buy it. Violence is violence. If we are "equal" as the libtards want us to believe, no special treatment should be offered anyone.
Catlover,
I think you might have a shot at a real conversation if you would stop calling people names on discussion boards. Maybe we should have you arrested for verbal abuse. No special treatment should be offered anyone!
Thank you, Lois. I learned it from the libtards. I used to try to hold the most civil discussions here at lib-central, but got nothing but insults and name-calling in return. I, and many others, have found that this is the only way to carry on a conversation here. Believe me, I would love to hold myself to the higher standard, as I do in all other aspects of my life, but it simply doesn't work here. I think you will understand once you've been here long enough. And yes, no special treatment for anyone. Exceptions are allowed for those truly unable to stand up for themselves. Not sex, race, religion or any other "special" group. Obviously though, youth, infirm, etc. Sorry for picking on you - I had to make a point.
Catlover,
Two wrongs do not a right make! I would suggest that you keep it civil until someone gives you reason to be otherwise. Then, only attack the one who attacked first. I would be more inclined to read your posts if you could do this and I'm sure many agree with me. How are we ever going to change anything if we cannot be civil to each other?
Yeah, Lois, I don't think I'll be changing soon. You see, my comments are not always directed at an individual, but the lib mentality as a whole. If you will peruse the comments, starting with the first, going on down, you will see the tone set before any of us even start to comment. Nothing changes just because someone tries to hold himself to a higher standard. In fact, it only gets worse. I will be attacked by the libs for speaking the truth, opinion, or acting like a troll. It doesn't make any difference to them. It is an ideological difference. Conservatives think liberals are wrong, feel sorry for them and try to help them see our point of view; liberals think conservatives are evil and hate us, and do everything they can to shut down discourse through insults, name-calling and threats. Stick around. Pay attention. I don't know if you're a lib or conservative, but I'm pretty sure you'll see what I mean if you want to. Good luck, either way. For quick reference, all you need to look at is the comment directly below, or the very first comment on the story. I mean, really. Isn't it just stupid. That's how it is here at lib-central. Wouldn't it be nice to have a normal conversation?
Catlover,
Obviously, there is no hope for you. If you do not like the lib mentality, but come to a liberal leaning message board, you are either a troll or a glutten for punishment. You decide which!
Oh darn, lib-Lois, you showed your true lib-colors. I used to be just fine commenting at Fox, but the libtards came trolling and ruined it. They spewed their hateful, racist, bigoted nastiness over there, then posted it on sites dedicated to "exposing" the supposed vileness of Fox commentors, so Fox shut it down. Why give you libtards the platform? Stoopid racist libtard sheep. obaa-baa-ma gimme my obamaphone!! Idiots. You had me fooled for a bit. Shame on me. As a conservative, I trust in the goodness of people until proven wrong, unlike you libtards who believe there is no goodness in anyone - that people are inherently bad, so no matter how horrible your idols and politicians are, it makes no difference because you didn't expect anything better. Stoopid libtards. I'd rather have someone try to be good and fail, than have someone who doesn't even try. I want someone who will reach for the stars and sometimes miss, rather than someone who wallows in the gutters waiting for the stars to come to him. Stoopid libtard sheep.
Republicans must think it's okay to beat women.
Only at cards Cameron, only at cards.
Boehner is just HOLDING THE CHAIR. He is really not anything in the House, except he occupies the Office. He is one of the Worst Speakers of all times. For me to say that after Newt (Despicable) Gingrich, and Tom(Hammer) Delay, Dick Armey, is really saying something. Did not think the Republicans could do worst. Boehner, Cantor, proving me wrong.
Newt Came close to Tanking the Economy, Boehner and Canter READY AND POISED to do it out of Total Hate of President Obama. So the Country can go Pound Sand.”
Just Think Folks the Republican/ Tea Party is READY TO TANK THE ECONOMY ONCE AGAIN IN LESS THAN 5 YEARS to Spite a President and OBSTRUCT ANYTHING HE DOES to get the Economy Moving.
If that is too much - Think About How Boehner had no Control over the Tea Baggers and the Debt Ceilling, hence the Stupid Sequester was Born because of all ofl this STUPIDITY on the Debt Ceiling, which was UNHEARD OF until Boehner became Speaker and the Democrats afraid to Stand Up.
Both McConnell and Boehner have been around Congress, 20 Plus Years to know that you do not Play with the Debt Ceiling because Democrats under Reagan and Bush had no problem RAISING IT, until these NEANDERTHALS CAME ALONG and A Weak GOP Senate and House Leaders thinking their ONLY JOB was to OBSTRUCT BLOCK President Obama in a Weak Economy. So these Fools decided they DID NOT WANT TO HELP GOVERN THE COUNTRY on a FIASCO they CAUSED.
so what I see is we are more worried about the sand people than our own.Did you dems on here not read Kerry is giving away 60 million to foreign aid. I would think that would be more of a problem than the right to beat your spouse or rape your mom.Don't know about the rest of you I was reared to respect women and to have love for the so called weeker sex ha ha. Maybe this is more a how you are raised issue but since most dems are athiest that could be a moot point.
I imagine that you are from Oklahoma from your moniker. And I guess that you must be old enough that you missed the early childhood education opportunities your state provides because that is as uneducated a viewpoint as I can imagine.
It is about time!!! Those right wing Tea Party Republicans needs to go.
HelloDick, What a moron. Good to see the libtards are back to the lib-agenda talking points. Don't worry that they have nothing to do with the story. Just keep spewing your hatred. Stoopid libtard sheep. obaa-baa-ma gimme my obamaphone!! Tolerance stops at opposing ideas for the "party of tolerance." Morons.
Here find out how your Congressman voted on the issues.
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Abuse is abuse whether the victim is male, female, both or neither and should not be tollerated period. If one commits a crime on tribal land and the tribe is the jurisdiction for law enforcement than someone, anyone, should be tried in court in the tribal lands. If that isn't okay stay the heck off the tribal land period. Those whining about whites getting unfair trials in tribal courts think about how well the white man has treated Native Americans over the centuries and also consider how fair are the courts of whites trying Native Americans. Are they really fair?
So let me get this straight... You libtards say a woman is qualified, both mentaly and physically, to enter into combat against the best the enemy has to throw at them, and to protect their fellow military men and women, and you say women are perfectly capable of being police officers and firefighters, where they have other peoples' lives in their hands, but somehow they are so weak and feeble-minded that they need a special law to protect the from their loved ones? And the part about how it doesn't go far enough in protecting gay couples, etc? Are you serious? Which women need protecting? The "wife" in a two "man" marriage? Both parties in a lesbian marriage? Wake up sheep! You can't have it both ways. Women are either weak and feeble-minded, or they are not. Which is it? You either need special protection for the weak women, thereby admitting that women are weaker than men, or you allow them to play equal roles in the careers that require the same abilities as men, and say this law is not needed. Stoopid libtard sheep. obaa-baa-ma gimme my obamaphone!! And special rights, too. Idiots.
What a knucklehead...
Well of course, combat, after all I'll have a gun too, you won't be able to smack me around, break my bones, set me on fire, or mutilate me, and after you are done with me then you can go after the kids now will you--I'll stand my ground and shoot shred your sorry behind with my Law Abiding Assault Weapon.
Listen up stupedo--no such thing as an Obamaphone--program started in 1995 renewed under succesive administrations and no federal funds are used to pay for that--so stfu stupid. Come a little bit closer so that I can start smacking you around, lock you up, terrorize you emotionally, physically and financially--then tell me you don't need any protection or a shelter to go to. What a pure elephant dung drop, you make your momma proud!
So parrot, You are saying all people should be allowed to be armed for protection? Good to know a libtard is breaking ranks with their libtard masters on this one. Stoopid libtard sheep. obaa-baa-ma gimme my obamaphone!! And I mean the CELL phones that King Hussein started sending out so the corner crack dealers could carry on their business without interruption. The phones that WE pay for in our bills. Who's the "stupedo"? BTW - by using that word you are insulting and discriminating against Hispanics. You racist hateful libtard bigot! Idiot.
Catlover, you are right in your sentiments--if rather subliterate ("feeble-minded" is an obsolete term meaning retarded). I think you meant to say just feeble (weak).
Yes, how can women demand full equality in one breath and in the next say they need special protection because they are the Weaker Sex? Won't this enshrinement of privileged status for one sex lead to a devaluing of the other sex? Violence by women will be OK now with the claim of self-defense automatically accepted. Violence against men won't be taken seriously any more--they're not special victims.
No, I suspect this is political grandstanding. But if women's votes can be bought this easily, maybe we ought to repeal the 19th Amendment...
Thanks weewillie for keeping with the standard libtard "talking points" of insults and name-calling. No need to offer a rebuttal in lib-world. Just insult those whom your lib-masters say to disagree with. HAHAHAHA Stoopid libtard sheep. obaa-baa-ma gimme my obamaphone!!
Libtard--usual low down right wing speak--try some new material, old, stale and worthless characterization.
Still harping on a non-government funded program--what do Hispanics have to do with violence against spouses/partners--the only ones discriminated against are Native American Women. Where did that come from--I know, ah never mind!
Full of sh!t regarding CELL phones--buy prepaid drop phones, what gonna get a traceable phone--stupid. Keep on insisting on that blather even when proven false. Momma still ever so proud of her little putzer or should I putzette!
HAHAHAHA Deflect, deny and insult. Typical racist libtard hater sheep. obaa-baa-ma gimme my obamaphone!! HAHAHAHA Don't bother to offer the "proof" you say dispells my comments. HAHAHAHA Go give "Pop" a little smooch little girl. He's waiting.
OK, Stupid then, Catsolino--Italian to you, make you feel better, check it out might not like the definition.
What is this nonsense, Native Women aren't worth protecting? They don't bleed red, get broken bones, get the sh!t beat out of them, raped? A non-Native gets a pass because......? Tribal Juries aren't capable of making informed judgements, what a bunch of crapola--incomprehensible.
Who are the other 166 turds that voted No? Am going to be checking out Florida legislators and fire off a few choice e-mails regarding my outrage on this no brainer bill. don't tell me there isn't a War on Women, there sure as sh!t is, I am so angry regarding Native Women I am seeing spots--anybody ever get that angry that spots appear--well going to keep those spots going for the 2014 elections, vote the boogers out, vote e'm out!!!
.... "sky", I see you are still at 'em. Read my last to you, above. And know that this ole curmudgeon has become a real fan, of late. The laughter is good for this old heart of mine. Don't give "the darkness" an extra inch, not one single inch of added ground...
Pop's here... (aka "Yoda45)
Yeah, Yodo. Hmm... "Pop's here..." You sound like one of those slimy perverted old men looking for your next 5 yr old conquest. Stoopid libtard sheep. obaa-baa-ma gimme my obamaphone. And "don't mind the drool little girl. Just call me 'Pop'"
Yoda, thanks for the above reply to Cat (whatever) appreciate Cat-kick, where do these people come from, what kind of mind-set, is it nature or nurture or lack of each? Aw jeez! Makes my hair hurt.
Never, ever give into "darkness" then they win--spots, I see spots!
Ona to you Pop's, Seneca blessing, meaning "May Your Spirit Walk in Peace," Ona!
... keep thinking those aberrant thoughts, "Cat-Lover", it's what your kind is best at.
Pop's here, "cretin"...
Current laws do not do enough to protect women from violence. While men are undoubtedly abused, at least they are big enough to fight back (if they choose to). We do need to acknowledge that a small percentage of abuse is directed at men.
When I earn the same money as a man for the same work (currently women earn $.70 for everydollar men earn) Then I will perhaps consider that the law is applied equally to both men and women. I doubt it will happen in my lifetime.
I am a very small person and as such am a bully magnet. I'm 64 and still struggling with bullies. They are usually men, and they are usually at least twice as big as me.
When life gets fair, wake me up
The Federal Government should not be involved. This something the states should do. Criminal laws for this does not come under interstate commerce. So the "Law" should be declared unconstitutional.
BTW men ARE included in this laws as are gays, lesbians, etc.. Read the DA-- thing then make you comments.
Well when I get to take 2 months paid off work after the birth of my children like women now get and I don't have to pay higher car insurance premiums just because I'm a guy I guess "life will get fair".
Judy,
So you agree that men are stronger, faster and more physically capable than woman in most avenues...correct?
Then that suggests men, in combat, are more suited for the position. As are male firefighters, police, most military occupations, federal government labor occupations as well as federal law enforcement occupations.
Now...do you also realize that in EVERY single one of the position I listed above, women are allowed entry and the standards, demands and overall requirements are gender normed (i.e.; REDUCED) to afford women the ability to qualify?
Do you ALSO realize that there is NO such thing as pay disparity in ANY of these positions as they are based on grade and time in service? This is especially true for the military and federal government. There is a pay scale that everyone is a part of regardless of gender and it is based on seniority and position title...NOTHING ELSE.
With that said, how are men required to do more, lift more, run faster, be exempt from maternity/parental leave, get less clothing allowance, forced to shave and cut their hair...yet women are NOT required to do these things...BUT, the pay is exactly the SAME.
How many men do you see crying over this? Few. Unless you count me at this moment and only for the sake of making a point.
Bravo Rob
Rob, you're trying to tie women who volunteer for battle with women who are battered. There is no comparing the two. Feel like you're being gyped, take it up with your congressman.
Averon: 1. you pay higher premiums because men have higher accident rates. 2. That two month pay for Maternity leave is short-term disability that I paid premiums for, so try again.
Because none of you seem to have read the law. All you have to do is speak badly of someone and you broke the law (So much for freedom of speech). Now that you have broken the law by saying something you are now a felon and can no longer have a gun or get one legally. So this really is a back door to gun control. Read thing then think.
I'm wondering why we need to borrow money from the Chinese to pay for something that should be paid for on the state and local levels.
Yes, I would trust the majority of state governments to protect women, NOT
So you'd put your trust in the same government that has run both the post office and the Social Security administration broke?