First Thoughts: How we got here

With the clock ticking until the sequester cuts, explaining how we got here… Failed assumptions, failed Grand Bargains… Boehner to appear on “Meet”… When does the sequester take effect? Answer: Anytime before 11:59 pm ET on March 1… Senate confirms Lew as Treasury secretary, while John Brennan gets bumped to next week… And why Iowa is so important to 2014.

*** How we got here: With Washington headed -- inexorably -- to Friday’s deadline when the automatic across-the-board spending cuts take effect, there’s a natural question to ask: How did we get here and why didn’t the sequester work as intended? Well, here’s our quick answer: First, Republicans, fueled by the Tea Party and their gains in the 2010 midterms on a message of cutting back the size of government, demanded that they would raise the debt limit only accompanied by equal spending cuts. (Prior to that, debt-ceiling increases had been fairly routine exercises for all past administrations.) Second, after agreeing to some spending cuts, the Obama White House and congressional Republicans couldn’t agree how to reduce the deficit by an additional $1.2 trillion over 10 years (to raise the debt limit by that much because the White House wanted to avoid another debt-ceiling showdown before Nov. 2012), so they created the sequester. That mechanism ($600 billion cuts in defense spending cuts that Republicans weren’t supposed to like; $600 billion in non-defense spending cuts that Democrats weren’t supposed to like) was intended to be so draconian that it would force the two parties to make a deal. As we know, it was the brainchild of Jack Lew, a veteran of the budget wars of the ‘80s, the first time the word “sequester” entered the Washington lexicon.

*** Failed assumptions, failed Grand Bargains: Third, the assumption that the cuts would force a compromise turned out to be incorrect. Whether it was during the Super Committee, the fiscal-cliff negotiations, or now, those spending cuts -- especially on defense -- weren’t enough to strike a deal. As it turns out, the deficit-hawk wing of the GOP got only larger in both the House and Senate. Fourth, all attempts for a Grand Bargain failed: In 2011, both sides retreated to let the election decide the fiscal fight. And at the end of 2012, they dealt only with the expiring Bush-era tax cuts (and not the sequester or increasing the debt ceiling again). Fifth and finally, that fiscal-cliff deal on the Bush tax cuts created a TREMENDOUS amount of intra-party blowback for House Speaker John Boehner, which only made resolving this sequester standoff even more difficult. (After all, remember that it wasn’t too long ago when the big discussion in DC was whether Boehner would lose his speakership.) And just as importantly, folks like Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Sen. John Cornyn -- who are both up for re-election next year and both have colleagues from their states who have become Tea Party stars (Rand Paul, Ted Cruz) – are probably more reluctant to make a deal than ever before. Bottom line: The Senate escape hatch that saved the day during the fiscal-cliff fight isn’t there right now.

*** Sequester is here to stay: So ultimately, the big miscalculation on the White House’s part on sequester was that defense spending would be a forcing mechanism. It is not and will not be. And, as things stand right now, they are wrong to believe the Republicans are going to break like they did at end of 2012. The law was on the president’s ideological side at the end of 2012. That’s why the GOP broke on taxes. In this case, the law is on the Republicans’ ideological side. It is easier for them to defend the sequester at home because they can say, “We said we’d cut spending and the size of government, the president tried to stop us but we wouldn’t let him.” A bad spending cut for many Republicans is easier to defend than any supposed fair tax hike on anyone. So if the White House really wants to stop the sequester, they might have to come up with their own set of $85 billion in spending cuts for this year to replace it. In this political environment, there is no way Boehner, McConnell and Cornyn can politically survive doing anything short of that. The president can still get more revenue down the road on tax reform, but he may have to fold on sequester if he wants a chance at winning in the long run. But that’s also a hard thing to ask a president who just won re-election on this very issue.

*** Boehner to appear on “Meet the Press”: Speaking of Boehner, the House GOP leader on Sunday will sit down for an exclusive interview with NBC’s David Gregory on “Meet the Press.”

*** When does the sequester take effect? By the way, when do the sequester cuts go into effect? As NBC’s Peter Alexander notes, we all know it happens this Friday, March 1. But when exactly does it take place? In simple terms, per Alexander, it doesn’t take place until the president signs the sequester order, which must happen anytime before 11:59 pm ET on Friday, March 1.

*** On the White House vs. Woodward dust-up: To be honest, we don’t have much more to say in the dust-up between the Obama White House and the Washington Post’s Bob Woodward, except for these three points. One, political reporters should always go out of their way NOT to become part of the story. Two, you shouldn’t pick fights with folks who can buy ink by the barrel (or in today’s age, have unlimited bandwidth) and have banked credibility over decades to earn the benefit of the doubt. And three, if you’ve been in this business long enough, you’ve probably received emails more incendiary and threatening than “I think you will regret staking out that claim.” In fact, the email exchange between Woodward and White House economic adviser Gene Sperling, has since become public, and it’s hard to conclude that Sperling was attempting to intimidate Woodward.

*** Lew confirmed, Brennan bumped until next week: Recapping yesterday’s activity in the Senate, former White House Chief of Staff Jack Lew won confirmation to be Treasury secretary by a 71-26 vote, per NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell. Meanwhile, NBC’s Kasie Hunt reports that the Senate Intelligence Committee moved a vote on John Brennan's nomination as CIA director until next Tuesday. Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., the committee vice chairman, said Wednesday night that the panel had bumped the Brennan vote until next week.

*** Why Iowa is so important for 2014: The big 2014 news yesterday was Rep. Tom Latham (R-IA)’s decision NOT to run for the Senate, which potentially gives conservative Rep. Steve King (R-IA) a clearer shot to being the GOP nominee if he decides to run. Here’s why next year’s Iowa Senate race is so important: If you take this seat off the map for Republicans – and it’s very premature to do that – then they almost have to run the table on all their other Senate opportunities to win back the Senate. Remember, Republicans have to pick up six seats to take control of the upper chamber. If you give them West Virginia (Rockefeller retiring) and South Dakota (possible Tim Johnson retirement), then Republicans still needs to win four out of these five seats where Dems are probably running for re-election: Alaska (Begich), Arkansas (Pryor), Louisiana (Landrieu), Montana (Baucus), and North Carolina (Hagan). In other words, if Iowa is in play for Republicans, they don’t need to knock off as many Dem incumbents. If it isn’t in play, then they almost have to run the table. One other point here: King would probably have little chance of winning a Senate contest in a presidential year, but he does have a chance in a midterm cycle, so folks ought to be careful making assumptions.

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  • 1 vote
Reply#77 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:12 PM EST

From Budget surplus to the bggiest deficit explosion in history!

Yes my stupid party friends.

You did build that!

Now go away and let the grownups clean up your mess.

    Reply#78 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:12 PM EST

    record welfare and 48 million on food stamps is your idea of cleaning up nutjob?

    how do you even dress yourself?

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    • 2 votes
    #78.2 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:17 PM EST

    What budget surplus? If you are referring to Clinton you need to do some checking before you speak. I would recommend you start with Clinton and his accounting methods with Social Security.

    • 3 votes
    #78.3 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:18 PM EST

    j-tard doesnt care; he's proud of his ignorance

    • 3 votes
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    • 3 votes
    #78.5 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:26 PM EST
    Reply

    POR FAVOR...Seniors..Ayuda Me..

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    • 2 votes
    Reply#79 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:15 PM EST

    AGAIN! Liberals calling Conservatives racist. David Walker said conservatives don't like renters(????). What is the deal? Can people not talk about a freakin' budget without a whiney ass liberal turning it into an Oliver Stone movie? You know, eventually people are going to ignore your crying wolf, or just simply ask you to prove it. If a discussion goes to a place where one party just calls the other a racist, the discussion ends. You liberals have GOT to, got to, got to quit being such pussi*s.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#80 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:19 PM EST

    here's an idea leftard; if you thinnk you are "cleaning up" a mess left by someone else; why dont you clean up your own failed Blue states?

    • 2 votes
    Reply#81 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:20 PM EST

    "Cannot wait until the capital gains tax is raised and all your loopholes are gone.

    Life is good.

    Enjoy."

    Life is good when you are stupid Joe! You cannot tax your way out of this mess! Spending has to be cut, period!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#82 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:20 PM EST

    True or False:

    The deficit has been getting smaller during the 4 years President Obama has been in office.

    Why do so few people know this? The conservative bias of the media when it only reports talking points, and fails to point out the facts.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#83 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:23 PM EST

    false nutjob; trillion-dollar budget deficits every obama year

    bush with a republican congress never had anything near a trillion dollar budget deficit

    • 3 votes
    #83.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:24 PM EST
    • Smaller ?........WHAT ?........that ladies & gentlemen is WHY we are in the predicament we are in.....please read Harbinger's post again, and tell me what I am missing.
    • 2 votes
    #83.2 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:26 PM EST

    I do not understand. When he took over the office the debt was 10 trillion, not it is 16 trillion, How is that smaller?

    • 2 votes
    #83.3 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:29 PM EST

    Debt size is based upon percentage of GDP. We were at 10% in 2010, now we are at 7%. Pretty simple really.

      #83.4 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:33 PM EST

      so he's coming down from HIS OWN RECORD

      pretty simple really

        #83.5 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:36 PM EST

        TROUBLE, You are missing F'ing Stupidity. Thats why you don't understand.

        So much for robots being intelligent

          #83.6 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:12 PM EST
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          Ok Obama get yourself back to your office, put your butt in the chair and start cutting. It shouldn't take you long not much maybe 2%. Get at it you told us you knew how, let see it.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#84 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:23 PM EST

          His proposal is at the White House website...and as been there for some time. The sequestration cuts are "automatic."

            #84.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:27 PM EST

            The sequestration cuts are to the projected increase. Really folks we need this.

              #84.2 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:33 PM EST

              hi proposal is smoke and mirrors; lies and distortions. it dou8ble counts "savings" and calls them cuts. others are just bullsh*t

              even rachel maddow and others on MSNBC are starting to question the blatant lies and distortions coming from this administration

              it's all falling apart for you Progressives

                #84.3 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:35 PM EST
                Comment author avatarGeanie Tilleyvia Facebook

                Republicans say the White House came up with the idea. Democrats agree, to a point. But Democrats explain that the president proposed a mix of automatic tax increases and domestic cuts.

                Republicans rejected that mix and said they would instead accept another idea they had traditionally opposed: military cuts. Regardless, the Budget Control Act, including the cuts, passed on a bipartisan vote that included almost all Republican leaders, half the Democrat leaders and President Obama signed it.

                Under the rules, the percentage cuts must apply to specific programs, projects and activities. Everything is subject to the same percentage cut. That spreads the pain, but it also prevents agency managers from focusing the cuts on programs that may be ineffective or inefficient — and protecting those that may affect public health and safety.

                And the sequestration option has been around since 1985: The term "budget sequestration" was first used to describe a section of Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Act of 1985 (GRHDRA).

                  #84.4 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:44 PM EST

                  Most economists have concluded that as meager as these automated cuts are, versus the total budget deficit, they may have a "multiplier effect" reducing greater spending in the economy, at a time when we are still on the edge of falling back into recession. Spending is the satisfaction of demand and demand drives economic growth. Without it, there is no rational reason to expand capacity or to hire.

                  Consequently, the risk of doing more harm (returning to recession) outweighs the good of a deficit reduction too small to really matter, and proceeding with the automated cuts is not a "rational economic decision."

                  There are no "absolute principles" in economics...it is what to do when...and timing is critical to what policies to pursue.

                    #84.5 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:34 PM EST
                    Reply

                    Why hasn't Eric "the caddy" Holder indicted Jon Corzine for stealing A BILLION dollars ?.....Solyndra ?...Fast & Furious ?.....Benghazi ?

                    Fraud, waste & abuse......this administration sucks

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#85 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:25 PM EST

                    How can Obama say one day that 700,000 civilians working military jobs will be furloughed and they next day say Americans probably not fell the cuts.

                    One day we are going off of a Cliff, the next he says its more like a small bump in the road.

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#86 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:26 PM EST
                    Comment author avatarGeanie Tilleyvia Facebook

                    Mostly because, by law, those civilians are to be given a 30 day notice. So for most of the cuts, we won't see the damage for at least 1-3 months. So don't go thinking all is ok when tomorrow comes and goes and the sky doesn't fall. There is a "built in" delayed action.

                      #86.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:47 PM EST
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                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#87 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:30 PM EST

                      when a left-wing nutjob like Harbinger say the deficit is going down under obama they are lying to themselves first, others second.

                      what they are referring to is the usual lies and distrotion.

                      the highest deficit was when DEMS HELD THE PURSE STRINGS FOR BUSH'S LAST 2 years.

                      ALSO; Dems dont count all of the spending obama did during the last "bush" year. why was it obama's spending?

                      because dems havent passed a budget in years; and the CONTINUING RESOLUTIONS WE ARE OPERATING UNDER dont account for a whole year. in fact the one we're on now expires in march. that allowed obama to spend hundreds of billions on what was technically a "Bush" year, 2009.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#88 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:30 PM EST

                      The $60 million is just a tip of the ice berg of federal overspending.

                      If you love this you ought to love the passage of H.R. 347 even more. Look it up and see how your first amendment rights were just turned into a felony.

                      Also take a look at how the White House threatened Bob Woodward of all people about the truth of who is responsible for the sequester.

                      "Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and (Rob)Nabors to propose the
                      sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid," Woodward said. "They
                      did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior
                      White House aides who were directly involved." Nabors was then the White
                      House's chief liaison to Congress and is now deputy chief of staff.

                      http://news.msn.com/politics/bob-woodward-says-white-house-told-him-he-would-regret-criticism

                      "In fact, research from the International Monetary Fund suggests that, if the
                      U.S. economy is indeed already in the early stages of a new recession, the drag
                      from the budget sequester could be as large as 1% of GDP. Combined with the
                      ongoing economic hit from the New Year's Day fiscal cliff deal, and the higher
                      taxes that resulted, any further Washington belt-tightening would represent a
                      serious and growing drag on growth."

                      http://money.msn.com/investing/why-theres-no-way-obama-can-win

                      How is that fifth year of recovery looking for the rest of you. I personally think the Congress and Administration are the most clueless individuals to ever hold a country hostage. Just a hint the nation never "recovered" when you take away the Fed's printing press.

                      I am so tired of the mindless name calling here by the party of no idea, inclusion, and acceptance...unless you have a different opinion than their "talking points". Truly a sad state of affairs.

                      Next

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#89 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:33 PM EST

                      I personally think your 60 million figure is wrong and your the most clueless individual I have ever seen post on this vine. Get back over the Fox.

                        #89.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:35 PM EST

                        try to rebut it using facts and logic markin-tard

                        or just keep crying

                        • 1 vote
                        #89.2 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:37 PM EST

                        Notsosure10 might think that you're the most clueless individual to post this vine..

                        Go back over to "CNB"...

                        • 1 vote
                        #89.3 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:40 PM EST
                        Reply

                        Pssst Mr President

                        Woodward already has the head of one president on his lodge pole. You sure you want to rattle sabers with him?

                        • 6 votes
                        Reply#90 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:35 PM EST

                        Woodward is a good man. He rattles sabres with all Presidents.

                          #90.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:36 PM EST

                          And usually wins.

                          • 4 votes
                          #90.2 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:38 PM EST

                          Hed have had to do something criminal to care what Mr Woodward says.

                          Thats obviously not the case

                            #90.3 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:39 PM EST

                            Don't be so quick there johnny. We are talking about a Chicago politician.

                            • 5 votes
                            #90.4 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:41 PM EST

                            OOh the scarey Chicago word.

                            What next?

                            The "organizer" word?

                            Too funny

                              #90.5 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:42 PM EST

                              No. It's the "character" word. The bully tactics that are so much a part of the make-up of this president's character in particular.

                              • 1 vote
                              #90.6 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:46 PM EST
                              Comment author avatarGeanie Tilleyvia Facebook

                              The threat you refer to was not a threat at all. What was said was that based on how Woodward is attempting to display the affects or non-affects of the sequester are wrong and once this is all said and done, that he, Woodward, would regret how he has presented his view on the sequester.

                              That is NOT a threat. However Woodward felt the need to run to Fox and yell he was threatened.

                                #90.7 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:51 PM EST
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                                Surplus to economic cliff diving.

                                Yes my stupid party friends.

                                You did build that!

                                Congrats

                                  Reply#91 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:38 PM EST

                                  repeat until brain is mush leftard

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #91.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:39 PM EST

                                  Yawnnnnn..............................

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #91.2 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:40 PM EST
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                                    Reply#92 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:38 PM EST

                                    you poor idiot; dont you know your lies and distortions dont hold water?

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #92.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:40 PM EST

                                    I love the last reference he gives. Straight from the Rachel Maddow Strap-On Network.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #92.2 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:43 PM EST
                                    Comment author avatarGeanie Tilleyvia Facebook

                                    You can find that same information (facts) from many many other sources. All reliable, and non-partisan.

                                    Before you call facts that some posts as lies, you should probably do a little research on your own and stop copying pasting rhetoric.

                                      #92.3 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:53 PM EST
                                      Reply

                                      What stand off??? The sequester is a federal law not an Indian raid...

                                        Reply#93 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:41 PM EST

                                        Dems are counting as "Bush" spending bills that more Dems than repubs voted for during the last 2 Bush years when Dems controlled the PURSE STRINGS AND BOTH CHAMBERS OF CONGRESS.

                                        idiots and hypocrites

                                          Reply#94 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:43 PM EST

                                          Ask your self why does the media kiss Obama's butt by twisting the facts?

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#95 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:44 PM EST

                                          That nagger is a darned organizer!

                                          we dont want no President with any fancy organizational skills!

                                          Just look at GeorgieBoy.

                                          He wasnt organized and he did just fine I tells ya!

                                            Reply#96 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:44 PM EST

                                            Johnny must be a black o-bot; the most virulent kind of brainwashed, rabidly loyal progressive idiot

                                              #96.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:47 PM EST
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                                              FOLWNJ

                                              you poor idiot; dont you know your lies and distortions dont hold water?

                                              ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                              Oh?? I don't see ANY sources for YOUR FACTS Whats that you don't have any ?!?!? Imagine OUR surprise KNOB! LOLOLOLOL !! Your just another right wing no mind shooting of his mouth hoping someone will tbelieve his madeup BS! LOLOL Well sorry dough boy WE ALL KNOW your a joke!!! Hahahaha

                                                Reply#97 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:45 PM EST

                                                Rachel Maddow? Come on man. Have some self-respect.

                                                You can't reference Rachel Maddow without ridicule anymore than one of the right-wing could cite Rush without ridicule.

                                                  #97.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:49 PM EST
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                                                  FOLWNJ

                                                  you poor idiot; dont you know your lies and distortions dont hold water?

                                                  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                                  Oh?? I don't see ANY sources for YOUR FACTS Whats that you don't have any ?!?!? Imagine OUR surprise KNOB! LOLOLOLOL !! Your just another right wing no mind shooting of his mouth hoping someone will tbelieve his madeup BS! LOLOL Well sorry dough boy WE ALL KNOW your a joke!!! Hahahaha

                                                    Reply#98 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:46 PM EST

                                                    look up idiot; i posted facts leftard

                                                    for one obama isnt counting all his spending; and the "cuts" are smoke and mirrors and savings from stuff that was going away anyway

                                                    try thinking for yourself nutcase

                                                      #98.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:48 PM EST

                                                      You are arguing with a clone of LEFTISFACIST who was banned because he is just a troll sent here to stir up crap.

                                                      Nothing he says is serious.

                                                        #98.2 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:49 PM EST
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                                                        The Sky is falling!! The SKY IS FALLING!! Its all due to "Obama's rising deficits" and "Out of control Spending!!"

                                                        Those are the LIES anyway, now here's the FACTS and the truth (republicans hate & fear so much )!

                                                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ola6QyTncSw

                                                          Reply#99 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:48 PM EST

                                                          your Messiah is the one using the sky- is falling scenario nutjob

                                                          are you on drugs?

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #99.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:49 PM EST
                                                          Comment author avatarGeanie Tilleyvia Facebook

                                                          ROFLMAO you political sources are from youtube

                                                            #99.2 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:55 PM EST
                                                            Reply

                                                            Republican Deficit & Sequester Lies (The REAL story about how republicans are using lies and fear to hurt Our econmy for No other reason other than they can!)

                                                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ola6QyTncSw

                                                              Reply#100 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:48 PM EST

                                                              i saw it on youtube; so it must be true

                                                              idiot

                                                              lol!!!!

                                                              • 1 vote
                                                              #100.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:49 PM EST

                                                              Uhh It's been Obama out there campaigning and pushing lies and fear about the Sequester.. The Sequester that Obama proposed..

                                                              The Sequester - Yes Obama, you built that.

                                                              • 2 votes
                                                              #100.2 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:51 PM EST

                                                              Are you serious? Rachel Maddow? She is nothing but a pawn for Obama. She will tell a lie in a heartbeat to cover for this president.

                                                              • 1 vote
                                                              #100.3 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:23 PM EST
                                                              Reply

                                                              FOLWNJ

                                                              you poor idiot; dont you know your lies and distortions dont hold water?

                                                              ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                                                              Oh?? I don't see ANY sources for YOUR FACTS Whats that you don't have any ?!?!? Imagine OUR surprise KNOB! LOLOLOLOL !! Your just another right wing no mind shooting of his mouth hoping someone will tbelieve his madeup BS! LOLOL Well sorry dough boy WE ALL KNOW your a joke!!! Hahahaha

                                                                Reply#101 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:49 PM EST

                                                                llok up leftard

                                                                geeeesh!!!!!!

                                                                gosh ur dumb

                                                                  #101.1 - Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:50 PM EST
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