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Subscribe to RSSVice President Joe Biden argued Wednesday that Democratic voters in yesterday’s special Democratic congressional primary in Illinois illustrated that there is a larger national mandate for tighter gun restrictions.
“The voters sent a message last night, not just to the NRA but to the politicians all around the country by electing Robin Kelly, who stood up and stood strong for gun safety totally consistent with our Second Amendment rights,” Biden told a gathering of state attorneys general in Washington D.C.
Kelly, a former state representative, won decisively over U.S. Rep. Debbie Halvorson, a Democrat who at one time had been favored to win the Chicago-area seat. But Halvorson faced over two million dollars’ worth of negative advertising funded by pro-gun control billionaire Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who attacked her for an “A” rating from the National Rifle Association.
Vice President Joe Biden speaks to the National Association of Attorneys General about gun reform on Wednesday.
The congressional district, which is heavily Democratic, includes some of Chicago's South Side neighborhoods as well as suburban areas south of the city.
Biden said Kelly’s decisive victory sent an “unequivocal signal” in the first major electoral contest since the shootings at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.
“The message is there will be a moral price as well as a political price to be paid for inaction,” he said.
After meeting with Biden today, Bloomberg said he believed the race showed that support for stricter gun laws won't hurt candidates.
Bloomberg said the White House should reach out to members of Congress to explain "why their vote could make a difference and why all the polls show that they will not be disadvantaged the next time they run."
"Quite the contrary," he added. "They will have this as a feather in their cap and be able to say next time they run ‘when the going was tough, I stood up for you.’”
NBC's Kasie Hunt contributed to this report.
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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) versus Edward Flynn (Milwaukee chief of police) during the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing about the assault weapons ban …
GRAHAM: When almost 80,000 people fail a background check and 44 people are prosecuted, what kind of deterrent is that? I mean, the law obviously is not seeing that as important…. We absolutely do nothing to enforce the laws on the books…
FLYNN: It doesn't matter, it's a paper thing. I want to stop 76,000 people from getting guns illegally. That's what a background check does. If you think we're going to do paperwork prosecutions,
you're wrong. We're trying to prevent the wrong people from buying guns. That's why we do background checks.
Graham is an idiot!....OK, let's see 80K fail the background test...does that mean that the 44 who were prosecuted got their hands on a weapon anyway....
Did one of those 'good guys' sell or transfer a weapon to a 'bad guy'?...Do tell us Graham, exactly who got prosecuted!
What is Graham talking about.....I bet he doesn't even know.
Poor Lindsay, he just keeps sinking down further in the quick sand where he stepped during the Hagel nomination hearings and he and McCain's Benghazi witch hunt.
I wonder if Lindsey will root out and prosecute every 'underaged' teen who tries to purchase alcohol, but is prevented from buying due to the vigilance of the counter person or bar keep!
Prevention Lindsey, Prevention!
Flynn admits that enforcement "Doesn't matter, it's a paper thing". So now that the cat is out of the bag, how many more criminals are going to be emboldened to make illegal purchases? Sounds like a real easy law to break since there is only a .00058% chance of being actually prosecuted. If only the IRS were so vigilant. So, tell me again how these new universal background checks are going to keep guns from getting into the wrong hands when there is only a 1 in 2000 chance that the perps will be prosecuted? I'd take those odds all day long if I were a criminal. Sounds like what we really have in the country is a lack of enforcement problem. Thanks for the post Dennis, very enlightening.
Here go the "libruhls", bringing race into everything. :)
Chilled - It means that they couldn't purchase the gun they filled out the application for. As to them getting their hands on a gun some where else...that's another issue all together. Law enforcement all the way to the top keeps saying that they don't have money or resources to pursue people who perjure themselves on gun applications. That's total BS. Perjury is a crime and if the cops don't persue criminals, what use are they?
As for your prevention, prevention, prevention...that's exactly what the gun application and background check is for...PREVENTION! Just recently a 4 year old child killed himself with a gun that was stolen by his father during a burglary 2 years ago. Before you start ranting about locking guns up and all that BS, I'll tell you right now that locks can be circumvented, given enough time. The same goes for safes, and complete safes have been stolen from homes and their contents removed.
As a victim of career felon, I have seen the revolving door of justice in action. It's time to weld that door shut and put felons under the prison for life or execute them in a timely manner.
GodblessAmerica-1789597 - I think you misunderstood. These people who fail background checks are not necessarily breaking the law. It is an application meaning you apply and have a chance at being rejected. If you lie, then you can be prosecuted. The background check still stops anyone who fails from buying a gun.
No matter how many messages the American People send to Republicans, Republicans NEVER listen.
Flynn is an idiot.
Criminals won't buy them the legal way.
But then again, truth doesn't seem to work with this crowd. Neither does reality.
TO: Repojam who wrote:
Probably because this the most racist Congress that's ever existed.
Our House of Representatives is totally dysfunctional because we have a black President.
There aren't but so many times you can give the benefit of the doubt, but when you get a blanket "No" on everything the President proposes, that's more than just a simple disagreement.
@AvgJoeTX-7795150
I heard about the 4 year old spending the weekend with Dad, gets a hold of an unsecured weapon while Dad is asleep and shoots himself......broke my heart!.......
I know nothing about what's asked or sworn to in the background check for purchasing a weapon. But as with other background checks, the applicant probably has to 'swear or affirm to the best of their knowledge' that what they say is true....blah, blah.
No harm, Oh, I forgot about that little felony, and I've never been prosecuted for being a druggie.....so they go get the gun wherever they can 'maybe from a friend'........
American Girl-724855
Oh American Girl, I was going more after the headline and poking a little fun at it, since it states "Biden states Illinois race 'sent a message'...".
Way to go after my joke and make it an actual issue. :(
I don't think they're opposing Obama because he's black. I think they're just opposing him because he is a Democrat. I expect the converse will likely be true no matter who is elected next because calm political discourse is getting to be a rare form of communication in our country among our leadership.
And I'm not so sure they're more racist than the early 60s and 70s congresses. I certainly hope that they're not.
You are a sheep Be led to slaughter Hurry along!!!
Chilled -
Yet here we are, peeps just like you trying to legislate what they don't understand. When you don't have the facts you use emotion.
Morgs74, says:
Gun violence and mass murder is an emotional issue......please excuse my emotions for caring about any way to prevent or curb those occurances.
yet your emotions are going to dictate over prudence? Maybe lynch mob mentallity will be Ok then..after all emotions for caring after a loved one is murdered...justice must be served at the end of a rope and tree (no chilled not a racist inneundo as much as you want).
And on and on we go, talking about gun control and proposed legislation that has already been implemented in numerous places around the world resulting in no proven causation with crime rates. Meanwhile, our debt is racking up by the tens-of-thousands of dollars a second. Cut spending, cut taxes, control immigration (enforce laws), and let's get back to work.
chilled - I appreciate your honesty but this is no way to govern. Meaningless laws built on emotion do more damage than good. Eugenics was pretty emotionally charged, they certainly got that one wrong.
I'd be willing to bet Morgs74, that legislation of any kind begins with emotion about the issue, no matter what it is.....
It's what drives the proposals.
@CA.....where ya' been?
Sad thing is there are people who believe this BS...
Repojam:
RE: your post #1.5
Perhaps you should have noticed that you were the 5th person to post on this thread. NOT ONE of the previous posters even as much as mentioned race, black, white, yellow, purple, green and etc., EXCEPT YOU! Now, perhaps you were just 'goofing-off'; if you were we all agree you look pretty GOOFY! On the other hand, perhaps you just can't read! Which one is it?
chilled ive been here...you just have to pay attention..oh wait, im not an Obama cultist, nevermind...carry on
lighten up..it was only a matter of Time as Repojam was demonstrating. Only the hard left sees KKK members everywhere. unAmerican Girl was a prime example...hook line and sinker
chilled - No. The dems in MN are proposing a 300% sin tax on booze. That isn't emotional, that is the economy speaking and darn right criminal.
You say it is because President Obama is a Democrat and not because he is black. Why then did Clinton not have an issue? I am sorry, it has everything to do with Obama being black.
scrambolo
I read the headline. Let me paste it here for you.
"Biden says Illinois race 'sent a message' on gun control"
So obviously I can read just fine.
Who exactly all is saying I look "goofy"? Who is this we? Maybe I should do as you have with other posts and suggest psychological help?
brenda1964
Didn't the Republicans nearly cause the government to shut down and try to impeach him over a consensual sexual act? Oh wait, before the far righties come after it, yes, it was because he lied about something so disastrous to our country as adultery.
If that's not a problem, I'm really not sure what is.
CA
All we want is for you jokers to be CONSISTENT. If banning abortions doesn't stop people from getting abortions,...why on earth are you zealots constantly trying to legislate it?
I'll wait for your 'rationalization'.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
PS. And in the state of Washington, the STATE owns the liquor stores,...now that's some crazy ass BS. It costs about 40% to buy a bottle of Captain Morgan's in Seattle than here at home. CRAZY!
While I lmao at you.
Clara KCMO -
As an independent I see this contradiction all the time between extremists on both sides. Abort babies but save criminals from the death penalty. Pro death penalty but we must stop abortions.
We are pitted against each other. Party leaders know it but must perform in order to keep the populace at bay.
Chilled - you happen to notice that in that case in Texas the father had a record, was not allowed to own a gun, they found enough drugs to prosecute him as a dealer, and the gun itself turned out to be stolen? Please don't hold him up as a gun-related tragedy. It's too bad the boy died, but to blame anything but his worthless POS father is wrong. Better off if the boy had lived and accidentally shot his father.
The VP is a running contridiction these days- He's crossing the country having closed door meetings with Governors, etc. and they come out of the meetings with the administration's script for gun control (IE- CT's Malloy having his VP meeting then bypassing the State's review committee and demanding controls of his own. Within 3 days the President appointed him to a committee where he will meet directly with the President. Connections??). The VP then does interviews and tells people to recklessly use shotguns to defend their homes (Shoot a few rounds off of the balcony to scare them off. Mr. VP, in most neighborhoods that is considered a crime.) Clearly he has his marching orders and is attempting to turn states by cutting some deals. I wonder how he feels about women's rights when they aren't allowed to carry a handgun, but can carry a rape whistle to let people know when they are attacked. I guess it's not really an issue because they can decide what to do with their bodies once they are violently violated.
Only law abiding citizens need to worry though.
What your going to get is a bunch of laws passed on gun control, then your going to get a big new gun murder and everybody saying we need more gun laws, these aren't enough. They are never enough until you have no gun, which isn't going to happen.
Joe Biden is right, a majority of responsible gun owners are for reasonable gun control which includes universal background checks and limits on guns and ammunition, and a total ban on guns capable of shooting 30-100 times as fast as one can pull the trigger. There is no practical use other then mass murder for these guns. Other countries, Canada being a good example do not have the gun violence problem that we do and the reason being they have taken the steps necessary to stop it.
Morgs74
Emotional about the economy..or investments in distributorships.....300% is over the tip top!
@HoustonDave........My heart broke for the 4 year old, not the Dad!
Chicago area the most lawless place in America with the strictest gun laws - the place is a total Failure
While I have to agree that all the opposition to Obama is not racial, I contend the deep underlying hate that comes out from certain posters that can't even say his name right is probably based on the fact he is a black man in a white house. I am sure that plays into an awful lot of the unreasonable hate for this man. The calls of Muslim, Muslim brotherhood, calling for his birth certificate even after he produced it, among other hate filled rants, definitely is based on race, nothing else.
No sleepy Joe, the message sent was that Bloomberg's $$$ can buy an election 800 miles from where he lives!
I find it odd that liberals will scream bloody murder when the government tries to ban abortion or says anything about gay marriage. In those cases, they yell that the government shouldn't have the right to tell people what to do or get involved.
And then they do the same thing with guns, alcohol, soft drinks (in NYC), health care, retirement, automobiles, and virtually every other part of our lives.
Joe Biden is right... this did send a message... the people of Illinois are morons. Maybe they should think about enforcing illegal immigration laws and existing firearms and drug laws before passing more laws. If you want to stop gun violence, arrest the people committing the gun violence... the gangs, drug dealers and criminals. Put a bullet in their heads instead of 20 years of appeals and free meals. Done.
And if you think banning assualt rifles will stop psychos from obtaining one and going on a rampage... you are a moron too. You can walk around a school and chain the doors and then walk the halls with five 10 round clips and a 9mm and do just as much damage. Or chain all but one door, set a fire in the school and pick off everyone on the way out. For every stupid argument you people come up with, I can give you 100 ways to efficiently kill people without high capacity magazines or assault rifles.
Illinois has a message for the NRA, the bullet stops here !!!
You poor Liberal Idiots. Shotgun Biden praises a lady who said she will fight the NRA and who has been fighting against gun violence. Well you can believe that, or you could require proof. Fighting the NRA in an area the Democrats have destroyed will do very little. As to her lie on gun violence, prove to me you have been fighting, because what ever you been doing ain't working. The crimes in this neighborhood are NOT commited with assault weapons as Michelle Obama will lie about. But in fact ARE in response to a section of the city decimated by years of Democratic rule. Good luck Shotgun Biden with your Propaganda Tour.
Heya, Mr. Biden.....one political win in one city does NOT CONSTITUTE a country wide MANDATE for gun control. More fear mongering from the carpet V.P.
Yep, Illinois does not have ILLEGAL gun holders [such as "gang bangers", "felons with gun", nor "drug cartel security guards with AK47s"] problem. And they would certainly abide by providing correct information on a background check form when purchasing a weapon. Wait a minute, they can get one off the street without ANY documentation.
BTW: there has been a run on double barrelled shotgun purchases by women since your direction to buy them and then shoot them in the air from the front porch to scare away intruders.
Biden doen't even seem to know the difference between a primary and an election. She is now the democratic candidate in the upcoming election. And Chicago has very stringent gun laws. How much good is it doing them? It's a problem with violence in our society and violent people with no respect for anything, get a clue.
Clara KCMO
CA
eh wtf? where did i talk of abortions...too much bumwine already eh Clarabelle?
Johntho you want to shoot my DPMS Sportical? it will take the limp out that wrist i promise
Halvorson had enormous name recognition, a huge lead in early polls, tested election machinery in place, a top score from the NRA....and she STILL lost.
Any way the RWNJ's and NRA minions try to spin it, they should have won that seat in Chicago....and THEY lost, as well.
So what if Bloomberg, an Independent, dumped money into the race. Do you honestly believe that the Koch Brothers et al, DIDN'T?
Even with horrendous turnout, which ALWAYS favors conservatives, Halvorson and the NRA lost BADLY.
The clock is ticking, Righties. How many more policy fights are you going to lose before you accept the fact that you're on the wrong side of history? Simply trying to change the rules of the game, rather than your bankrupt policies, won't suffice.
We Americans have a greater percentage of gun violence than virtually any other country ,excluding the ones that are in the midst of civil wars. The majority of us are expecting our political Representatives to stop obeying the gun lobby and to realistically do something about it. It should not be too hard to come up with laws to reduce this mayhem. Obviously our Government can't do that and also pander to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. No Constitutional law was designed to put We the American Population at risk like we are now. To our Representatives of both parties. Enough ! Do your jobs of protecting our population. We no longer ask it. We now demand it!.
Going after a President for lying in court is one thing, going after a President on every decision he makes is completely different. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
brenda1964
I can see where you might view it that way, but I don't believe that the Republicans are after him purely because of the fact that he's black. I do see them going after him hard because they are the opposing party, lost an election, and lost a second election. They wanted to make him a one term president, and I don't believe it's because he's black.
Had it been Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton as the winner, I think the "our goal is to make (x) a one term president" would have still applied. I can't believe it's just racism, particularly with who the RNC chair was at the time and who they put forth 4 years later.
I may not like the Republicans, but I can't just demonize them and throw the racist term out at them that way. If that's their only motivation, then something is very seriously wrong.
Perhaps I'm just naive, but I can't buy that argument.
For one going against a man who stands opposed to your values and viewpoints is noble. I am against Obahma's Policies not because he is black (why would that matter) but because I am conservative. Gun ownership is a right granted to us by the Constitution. By definition gun bans are therefore Unconstitutional. I own an AR 15 which can be used for hunting or Target practice (I practice for my military carreer). Limiting amounts of ammo in magazines delays you from reloading for a fraction of a second. Criminals often buy guns cheaper than law abiding citizens on the black market. Making it harder for a law abiding citizen to purchase fire arms doesn't stop illegal purchases. Crime should be punished. For everyone who has issues with voter ID laws going into effect because the is an inherant right to vote remember there is a right to bear arms as well and yet we card people for buying weapons. (My issue with voter ID stems from the timing not the practice. Simply make the IDs easily and cheaply obtainable) Go ahead and require universal background checks but punishing gun crime and making an example out of criminals will have the greatest effect.
Repojam
I would like to believe that the Republican party is not that low that race would play a part, but after seeing what is going on in the House, I would have to say otherwise. They have made firsts on allot of issues with this President as apposed to past Presidents.
1. Never has the Long form birth certificate of any President been required or demanded of.
2. Never has a nominee been so aggressively attacked by Republican Senators as Hagel was and he is a Republican.
3. Never has the filibuster been used on a Nominee before this President.
If not for his race, then what about President Obama makes them so angry that they are willing to destroy the Country rather then give an inch to the President on any issue?
Wow, where to begin. Ok, when you say making it harder for law abiding citizens to buy guns doesn't stop illegal purchases and then say that Crime should be punished instead. You do realize that you have to have a law that someone is breaking in order to have a crime to prosecute right? Meaning that you have to have a law concerning speed on the highway before you can write a ticket for breaking the speed limit. So with this in mind, you have to make laws restricting who can purchase a fire arm so that when one does have one illegally you can prosecute them. By making more laws you will not stop anyone from getting a gun, but you sure can prosecute them easier and for longer sentences.
As far as hunting, I don't know where or what your hunting, but if you need a AR 15 to hunt then you have issues. As far as target practice for the military, you can practice on base to keep current. You do not have to own one, as they say, one will be provided for you SIMPAFI.
I think we all agree on background checks, but I think they don't go far enough. I think we should have to register and license our weapons with the state and if we sell them, then we have to do a title change with the state. This way the responsibility of the weapon follows whomever owns the weapon. If you do not report it stolen or missing, then you should be responsible as well for the crimes committed by that weapon. Maybe then gun owners will be a little more careful about who gets a hold of them and what they are used for.
So what is "gun control" going to do for Chicago? Think about it.
Who gives a damn what Biden says! The guy is a blithering, grinning idiot whose mouth is connected directly to his rectum, as all he spews is verbal diarrhea!
So you don't like him therefor you complain about his looks such as his mouth that he has no control over? Wonder what you look like so I can critique your looks.
@ Logic_is_useful
You are whispering in a hurricane, and no one wants to listen to it anyway. You are correct, this is all just a distraction to take the focus away from all the other things going wrong in this country.
And the Liberals on this vine sure as heck don't want to look at the realities facing this nation and the damage their agendas have done. Self examination is not a very pleasant thing to deal with.
I don't know about Uncle Joe, but I know I could "fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting" and I could probably bring gun deaths down to fewer than 2,000 a year from now.
"My question to all you Liberals is this, "If you don't like our society, the way it is, why don't you move to somewhere more suited to your likes, such as, Canada, England, or else where in Europe, where they have guns laws "that work", "Free" Universal Healthcare, Pensions and Welfare? You keep referencing these utopias, why not go there?
Why must I (we) change to fit YOUR Ideal and Ideology?" No one is making you stay here.
One thing about a free country, is, you are FREE to LEAVE when ever you want."
I do not say it is easy to pack up and leave. My question is, since there are already places on this planet that have most of what you want, why not go there instead of changing (ruining) my Ideal? Why not clamor to the Government, "We don't like it here, help us leave.", instead of "We don't like it here, make it more like these other places."? There is nowhere else on the planet for me, or those like me, to go. My kind (Conservative, Capitalist and Self Reliant) came here, over the last couple hundreds of years, to get away from those things we didn't like, it was not easy. All I am saying is perhaps it is time you (liberals) use the same strategy.
brenda1964
I don't think Tony's comment was about Biden's looks other than that silly grin of ignorance he hides behind. I think the comment was more about comment like this: (I brought this in from another article)
"Jill, fire a gun in the air." The Secret Service would be on her like white on rice.
And I don't know how the rich and famous are treated, but for us poor white folks out in here fly over country it is illegal to discharge a firearm within the city limits of any municipality, and yeah, it is illegal to shoot into the air to scare them off. Last I checked it was only legal to shoot at an intruder, but maybe they changed the rules for Joe. {The reason it is illegal to shoot into the air is that what goes up, must come down. Granted in the case of shot pellets, the dangers are minimal, they are not non existent}
Go, Joe!
3rd rule of gun safety Joe, Identify "Know" your target.
And that is only the beginning of a whole lot of other things wrong with that statement.
Here is a website with a few novice and not so novice women shooting a 12 gauge, and one shooting an AR. see if you can tell the difference.
www.ijreview.com/2013/02/38482-humorous-women-take-joe-bidens-buy-a-shotgun-advice/
There was no gun control message from this election, sorry Joe. Just the usual One Party Chicago Democratic machine election.
Biden and liberals demonize those who want to protect the Second Amendment as "the NRA".
Illinois "sent a message"?
What was that message?
"SOS"?
"Help"?
"I don't have any more money"?
"We will end up just like Detroit"?
Exactly what message did they send?
Exactly what message did they send?
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"Weve fallen under the weight of our bloated budgets and union contracts, and we can't get up"
Apparently you didn't read the article.
Nothing worse in this country than seeing a major problem requiring the entire nation's attention, yet here we have people just sitting back ridiculing every change we try to make, for the better.
Alaska,
they just did not like the message.
The message from Biden was all Bull$hit.
The NRA is not end all be all of the 2nd amendment. Americans voices are drowning out the NRA.
Comeback, there was a message sent whether you like it or not. The democratic candidate who won the party's primary ran on her NRA "F" rating; she defeated soundly the democratic candidate, Halverson, who had an NRA "A" rating. The message is this: the American people support sensible gun laws, the polls prove it; even NRA members support sensible gun laws by a large majority.
The conservative and NRA leadership line that "we" have gun laws and they don't work is overworked and misleading. We have 50 different states with 50 different state gun laws plus countless of city laws within each of those states. For sensible gun laws to be most effective requires federal laws that all 50 states must implement. Conservative yell about Chicago which has tough gun laws but fail to understand, or conveniently choose to ignore, that any person in Chicago can drive out of the city and buy the guns and ammunition banned in Chicago. That is counter productive and that is why it is time for national laws that level the playing field.
Alaska: If American voices are drowning out the NRA then why is it nearly impossible to buy a gun or ammo right now? Because your "American voices" are deciding to agree to gun control?
Sorry, completely false assumption. I meant to buy some more ammo in early December but there was a gun show planned in Orlando early January and just decided I would get then. But after Sandy Hook guns sold out. Ammo sold out. My online ammo source is COMPLETELY sold out. Walmarts are limiting purchases of ammo (if they have any). Guns increased nearly 20% in the weeks after Sandy Hook. I, and many others, are waiting for production to meet the demand so we can buy what we need.
Was that because the "American voices" are drowning out the 2nd amendment? On the contrary. Not only are guns and ammo sold out from coast to coast but NRA memberships are increasing at the rate of about 5,000 a day. Membership now estimated on the high side of about 5 million. Liberals like to say it is closer to 4 million. Who cares. We are still talking about MILLIONS of NRA members and growing every day.
The state of Florida just became the FIRST state to surpass 1 million carry conceal permits and now about 1 out of 17 in the state of Florida has a carry conceal permit and THAT is rising too. You mean THAT "american voice"?
During WWII just after Pearl Harbor was bombed Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto stated referring to the United States "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant". That is what this gun debate has done to NRA members and the millions of those who are NOT members but support the 2nd amendment.
The gun control nuts in this country have "awoken a sleeping giant" in the NRA.
From the article above:
The MAJORITY of American's hear you loud and clear, Joe.
The MAJORITY of American's have had enough of the NRA/gun manufacturers lying propanganda campaign.
The Angels of Sandy Hook Elementary are telling us all "Enough is Enough!"
Salud
GOP Comeback 2014
GOP Comeback 2014,
What do think the WHOLLY owned subsidiaries of the NRA, the House Republicans, who advocate and vote one way for the GUN-NUTS who think the President is violating the Constitution are?
The President is not against the 2nd amendment.
FYI: How the Right Has Twisted the 2nd Amendment
The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure security, but isn't making us any safer.
The idea was to enable the young country to resist aggression from European powers, to confront Native American tribes on the frontier and to put down internal rebellions, including slave revolts. There was nothing particularly idealistic in this provision; the goal was the “security” of the young nation.
However, the modern American Right and today’s arms industry have devoted enormous resources to twisting the Framers into extremist ideologues who put “liberties” like individual gun ownership ahead of all practical concerns about “security.”
http://www.alternet.org/how-right-has-twisted-2nd-amendment
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But does anyone really believe that Madison and like-minded Framers would have stood by and let deranged killers mow down civilians, including children, by using guns vastly more lethal than any that existed in the Revolutionary era?
PB. The NRA is on the way out along with the rest of the GOP. There isn't enough stupid people anymore to get to join the NRA. I think we will see people not renewing the memberships. The greater majority of the NRA membership now think we need to do something, even if its just better back ground to include mental ill people, and close gun show loop holes. That is a good first step.
Chuck: Wrong again Sherlock.
NRA membership ROSE more than 10% in the 30 days after Sandy Hook because of the attack on our freedoms. Estimated NRA membership is rising by 5000 a day.
If you don't want a gun then don't buy one but Thomas Jefferson said it best when he said "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
ProBusiness-
Um, there are more Americans NOT associated with the NRA than associated with them.
Sorry, you're out-numbered yet again.
And another thing. America is over 236 years old. Just when is this "tyranny" thing you keep scaring people about going to happen?
Salud
The only message sent by this primary election was that (Bloomberg's) 'Money Talks'.
Who'da thunk that you could buy a Chicago politician?
not according to the left. its not possible ever for the gov to do that. youre paranoid and mentally unstable. reason why we need to ban guns
that is true..im not part of the NRA but am a gun owner...DOH
TomasGrande says:
Just look around - it very well may be happening as we speak............
Pro, it has supposedly been happening for decades. Same as with Iran getting nukes "Just another five years!"
It has not happened and likely will not happen for a very long time (to the tyrannical US gov. bit, not Iran).
Also the NRA membership is far removed from the leadership. 86% of NRA members support universal background checks. The NRA leadership is extremely opposed to it. The NRA also does not care about the second amendment, what it really cares about is continuing their fat pay checks from gun manufacturers.
NRA members are just being used by the NRA as political chess pieces.
Please people, stop the madness, we can all agree on ways to stop the gun related crimes that do not infringe on my right under the Second Amendment.
Why do we tolerate inner city gang crimes, why do we tolerate career criminals? Stop those things eliminate 90% of gun violence, without the scare tactics and stupid laws that infringe upon me. Make all gun crimes punishable under Federal law, mandatory sentencing (no parole). Track and prosecute straw buyers, Federal Felony, mandatory sentencing, no parole.
Spend more money on taking care of mentally disturbed people. We can do this together without attacking 80-100 million law abiding gun owners. We can do this without attacking each other, without fear mongering, without rhetoric.
Jody, I always appreciate your effort to spell it out for the morons; but as Bill Maher says, they are in their "Bubble" and they aren't going to let a little thing like facts enter into the equation.
I admire your efforts, though! You've got a lot of stamina for it! And Lord knows you get plenty of opportunity to practice!
A left-wing Democratic got elected to replace a left-wing Democratic CROOK..... I see very little change... but we'll give it time..........
"But does anyone really believe that Madison and like-minded Framers would have stood by and let deranged killers mow down civilians, including children, by using guns vastly more lethal than any that existed in the Revolutionary era?"
Not a chance... they'd have taken up arms and ELIMINATED the concern.....
Something Chicago needs to do.... train up.... ARM UP.... CLEAN up......
ProBusiness "
TomasGrande says:
Just look around - it very well may be happening as we speak........."
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years."
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."
http://rblakethompson.blogspot.com/2008/11/lifespan-of-democracy.html
As horrible as it is to think, we may be nearing the end of this democracy. Too many people voting themselves more benefits on the backs of the decreasing share of the people who earn them.
Chuck, it's absolutely hilarious that you call people stupid who disagree with you when you can't even write correctly. Stupid is as stupid does and you do stupid very well. Just another blathering liberal stating things like "greater majority" (hah) with no facts at all.
The statement that Democracy will not survive the majority leeching the public treasury has never happened nor will it ever happen. A Democracy dies when the majority of the citizens see that it has turned into an Oligarchy and the leaders of it are looting the treasures of it with impunity.
It's Illinois,,Chicago,,,,, just what would any one expect. The state and the city of Chicago is so far in the dark they wouldn't know any common sense if it ran over them. I am not at all surprised, and the crooks, gang bangers, and crooked politicians are singing Chicago--- Chicago--- my kind of town.
The real message that was sent on gun control:
Anti-gun Democrats can still easily win Democratic primaries against pro-gun Democrats in Congressional Districts dominated by anti-gun constituents.
Any guesses as to what message will be sent when Kelley wins the general election in a Congressional Discrict dominated by Democrats?
To Beav from Chicago,
You said:
"The 2nd Amendment was written to ensure security, but isn't making us any safer.
The idea was to enable the young country to resist aggression from European powers, to confront Native American tribes on the frontier and to put down internal rebellions, including slave revolts. There was nothing particularly idealistic in this provision; the goal was the “security” of the young nation"
This is the "popular among liberals" interpretation. Actually, the idea was to keep the federal government from overstepping their authority. As usual, you continue to bloviate about something about which you know very little.
"....funded by pro-gun control billionaire Mayor Michael Bloomberg"
Liberals feign outrage over the "influence of money" and "billionaires buying elections" . Except when they spend the money, and their billionaire buys the election.
GOP Your just mad that your Billionaire's didn't have any luck with all the Billions they spent last election. Even the not so smart people the Koch Brothers and friends paid to walk around the Capital saying the President is a layer. That one old lady said that, and when a reporter asked her what the President lied about, She didn't know. They hadn't told her the answer to that. What a farce. Even those people know they have been Screwed by the GOP. I thank Mike Bloomberg and I hope he and Abby Gifford and the others get together and combine there efforts so they get the most bang for the Buck.
Yeah, how terrible of the left to play by the rules. Sad to hear you think Michael Bloomberg should have more of a vote in politics than you do. Then again, if I was in the GOP, I wouldn't think my ideas were worth a cr@p either, and I'd have thirty years to prove it!
Comeback. Since the 2009 IA Supreme Court decision declaring the state's marriage is between a man and woman law unconstitutional, we have been inundated with millions of dollars in right-wing PAC money to fight gay marriage and to unseat the justices who made that decision. Turn about is fair play. Whether we like it or not, free speech and the money backing it isn't limited only to the opinions with which we agree. This is no different than Citizens United which gives Karl Rove (Crossroads), the Koch brothers (Americans for Prosperity) and other multi-billionaires unlimited ability to attack candidates and/or buy elections nationwide.
Ban semi-automatic weapons and high capacity magazines.
Well if you think there was no message last night, think again. When someone like Mike Bloomberg and Abby Gilford group, spend $2M to get a Rep. that wants gun control, that's a loss for the NRA and a good day for America.
Dennis: Lindsey Graham is the biggest Pussy I have ever seen. That police Chief chewed him up and spit him out today. My question is this. If you fail a back ground check, is that reason in and of itself to be arrested? I was thinking the who Idle was to make sure they can't buy a gun. Yes I guess if a felon tried to buy a gun, then that should be looked into. But as long as we stop the sell then the back ground check has done its job.
These are the same people that voted Little JJ in by a landslide for years. What exactly about their voting applies to the general population???? If people want to do something good then I support you no matter what you're beliefs but please don't use this circus of a district to say everyone should fall in line behind them. There's no credibility there in my opinion.
The polls say a majority of Americans support sensible gun laws. Try Google to inform yourself. California kept re-electing GOPer Duke Cunningham who now resides in prison. Louisiana re-elected the GOPer David Vitter despite his dalliances with prostitutes. Jesse Jackson, Jr. will pay for his illegal behavior. Never throw stones at a glass house because both parties have bad apples.
We have sensible gun laws... they're just not enforced... but if they were... more liberals would be in prison... it's not conservatives popping caps in each other in Obama's Urban Ghetto Welfare Plantations.....
I think you'd have to be a whack case to not support sensible gun laws so I agree with you there. I have struggle with talking to people who are too wound up with party affiliation to think for themselves. It usually ends with them name calling and acting out because they're supposed to tow the bologna Republican or Democrat line. I didn't say anything about Democrat or Republicans in my post. I questioned what people who vote for a corrupt politician blindly for years have to do with your average Jane and Joe American. Don't take offense to things that are in no way directed at your political preference. It would be nice if people would stop reading every comment as some crazed personal attack on their mighty affiliation.
The article says that this election sent a message on gun control. I question what exactly is that message is. Yes elections can be bought and people can be scared into corners because they're uninformed and base their decision on one propaganda machine or another. That's not a message, that's a controlled delivery of a one sided agenda.
Hope you're staying warm in dry with all the snow Jody!
So billionaire Blooming idiot spent 2 million dollars to make sure that a black candidate won in a black district...
I really hope that he keeps blowing his funds is these areas where the anti gun despots will win regardless of his super PAC money. Naturally uncle Joe "Double Barrel" Biden sees this single district as a commentary on the entire population of the US.
We all seem to complain about the obscene amount of money and influence in this country's political system. But many are not upset when that money is used to further their own political agenda. We cannot have it both ways.
Lisa when someone is doing something to help his fellow man, that is the right thing to do. The NRA has one thing on there mind and that is the Profits of Gun makers. They say there all about he 2nd Amendment, but we all know that is BS. The 2nd amendment is a sales ploy used by the NRA. These AR-15 have tripled in price at least sense the Newtown shooting. and they can't keep up with sales. The NRA and gun makers are laughing all the way to the bank. For the first time in my life time, someone is pushing back on the NRA and there is nothing they can do about it. The NRA like Unions time has come and gone. Its time to stop the madness.
Chuck, You are entitled to your opinion. But I am also entitled to mine. Have a nice afternoon.
Lisa. I couldn't agree more.
The NRA is 5 million law abiding gun owners interested in protecting the 2nd Amendment. If we wanted to increase gun manufacturers profits, we'd try to ban guns... and people would rush out to get more... Oblunder the Gungrabber is the best gun salesman since Samuel Colt.
I've been to Dachau and seen what happens when a population gives up their guns. And ironically, it's the idiot liberals who get marched to the concentration camps first.
Yes they did Mr Biden, and the message is not to ban guns from an entire city because gun violence will go rampant among criminals that know citizens cannot defend themselves with any kind of force. To think Chicago is better off under Democrat rule means you are ignoring the facts and truth.
"Biden says Illinois race 'sent a message' on gun control"
The hell it did...it sent a message that Bloomberg has enough money to buy yet another election.
You're just pissed because Karl Rove and the Kock Brothers suck at "buying" elections! HA!
Better Bloomberg then the NRA and or Koch Brothers.
obama phones, and obama stash buy a lot of votes. You see the article where obama was trying to give a days wages, breakfast, lunch, and a bus ride to union workers in support of an anti-gun rally.... ? These days I absolutely love how social media is exposing the truth. The facebook page got so overwhelmed with poed ppl catching on the they canceled the event.
Bloomberg is as a much a nut as the Koch Bros. Anyone that supports government restrictions of a free peoples diet has no place in America.
TH. Do you even leave your house? You people are so afraid of everything, how can you live.
Michael Anderson-5301538
That's all I needed to hear to know you are full of it.
Salud
Chuck - I was just making light of the ridiculous Soda Ban in NY. Actually, I get out and around more than most Americans will ever get out in their lifespan. I happen travel all over the world for business as well as pleasure. I have seen first hand the effects of socialism, communism, anarchy, and dictatorships among other crazy forms of restrictive and obtrusive governments on civilians lives. Bloomberg and Koch Bros have an absurd amount of influence on our civilization.
You are misinterpreting my being informed as being afraid. It is just like me or any informed person would sell stocks that show obvious signs of trouble. The liberal mindset in America doesn't appear to acknowledge obvious signs of trouble. But hey, ignorance is bliss...
Hey Chuck kiss my azz. This is the only place a parasite like you gets a forum. For me, bricklayer, rancher, peace corp then went back to school, masters and make 6 figures. In just the last 10 years I have traveled 1million miles on just one airline. Unlike you I don't live in my mothers basement, I pay taxes, raised two good kids and have guns. I have also voted for Obama the last two times, only because I hate the tea party every bit as much as I do the extreme elite left. I also grew up out west and there are good honest hard working people out there, that have guns. They also might be red states but most have at least one democratic senator or until you nut cases on the left run them out of the party. I guess it is not only the Republicans that eat their young.
Uh, yeah, right. One of the most anti-gun districts in the country elects an anti-gun candidate, whose opponent was massively targeted with negative campaign ads funded by a rabidly anti-gun billionaire. That sends a message alright - that the antigun bigots are so pathetic that they have to stack every possible factor overwhelmingly in their favor to be able to have something they can call a "victory". If you want to see Illinois' message on gun control, look at what is going on in the legislature, where the even the anti-gunners are admitting that they're going to lose, and they're just about willing to compromise on anything to keep the state from going constitutional carry.
Here is my message to joe: I will never give up any firearm or magazine I currently own, no matter what arbitrary ineffective laws you try to put in place I simply will not comply. My 2A rights and rights to liberty, freedom, and self defense will not be taken away. Try enforcing the laws we have currently, and fix the economy already.
Michael. Your are starting to sound like billy bad ass now. Not that anyone has said one thing about taking anyone's guns that are legal, away from them. But if the Majority did pass any such law. You wouldn't stand a chance to stop them. Every time these groups like was just taken down in Alaska, and a few years back in Michigan and TX. Well other then Waco, the rest were taken with out a shot being fired. So you just keep talking. It seems to me that someone like you that lives in fear all the time and think they need a big gun to protect themselves is a little man afraid to leave the house with a gun of some kind. Sad
Chuck - you do realize that there is a number of states that are putting legislation to ban enforcing proposed gun controls don't you. Also that many gun makers are considering moving out of states that ban guns. If you can't see the civil unrest brewing over the idiotic knee jerk legislation being proposed, I pity you. Obama and Biden have both admitted that violence can't stopped. All the emotional statments that something has be be done is so much political posturing. You want to do something? Become a cop or a school guard. Heck, even demand that your politicians enforce the current laws to their maximum allowed by law. Have them prosecute the 8000+ people who lied on the gun applications.
"Someone like you that lives in fear all the time and think they need a big gun to protect themselves is a little man afraid to leave the house with a gun of some kind. Sad,"
No, what is really sad is that all those people getting killed in Chicago are being used by a bunch of folks like you who live in "safe" neighborhoods to make a political statement.
Do you really think that with 110 million guns now in America and a population of 330 million people, and with 30,000 people who die from guns each year (with a full 65% of them due to suicide), we need a bunch of political opportunists pandering for votes to cast aside the facts of the matter?
If you really want to help get yourself off the couch to Chicago (or Detroit or you name a city) and stand on a corner on the SouthSide and be the eyes and ears of the police. Because apparently that is where the bulk of the problem resides. And when faced with gangs and street thugs you might catch a clue.
We can do math. Most people are responsible. Your feelings are not our experience. Stop acting like you have monopoly on virtue and consider that if the police aren't coming for 50 minutes after you call them, you might just have a different opinion. Or be dead.
Chuck, you just provided the very impetus for which us pro 2A people constantly ague. You claim that no one is talking about taking away legal guns. However, all the government has to do is make the currently legal guns illegal and then they can go all gestapo on us crazy gun nuts, right? I'm sure that many like yourself would be perfectly fine with a Nazi like confiscation program. Unfortunately for you, many 10's of millions of us would not. Nice try attempting to group over 80 million legal gun owners with sociopaths like David Koresh. With his need for power and control, he would have actually made a great liberal much like Bloomberg.
Love the name calling chuck. I am far from a hillbilly, try breast cancer researcher and doctor. The states currently trying to pass legislation against firearms are written in such a way that it requires current owners to: sell them to out of state residents, or turn them over for destruction. hmm pass that at the federal level and it becomes an all out confiscation.
One more time, folks:
A state cannot pass a law that violates FEDERAL LAW. I know these states think they are being cute by 'outwitting' the tidal wave that is a coming; but the bottom line is - They are wasting their time, their taxpayers money and quite frankly internet bandwidth.
The Supreme Court strikes down renegade CONSTANTLY,...and these little 'state rights' gun laws are a crock of @!$%#.
But do carry on about how great your simple little states are at "out foxing" big bad gubment. It's amusing as hell, to say the least.
On the contrary.. the Constitution puts restrictions on the Federal govt... so the states are well within their rights to ignore or even fight against unconstitutional infringement of their citizens' rights... and SCOTUS will decide who's right... based on the Heller and McDonald precedents you Libtards are in trouble on this one.... but the real proof will be in the "law enforcement officers killed" trying to enforce unconstitutional laws...
I am just an independent that has voted against the nut cases that took over the GOP, twice now. I also have guns. The only people that I can think are more stupid that the Christian Taliban and the Tea Party Klan is the leftist elitist liberals. You don't even know your own party. Drop the gun control crap cause it will never be passed and the damage you will do will last for decades. Montana, Colorado, Arkansas, and West Virginia all have two democratic senators, you know the part of govt that confirms supreme court justices. There are another 10 or 12 states that have at least one Democratic Senator every bit as vulnerable. People in those states have guns, they are also honest hardworking people and as strange as they may seem to you, you are just as much to them. It is going to take a broad coalition to fix things and the extreme left is running the center out of the party, kind of like the tea party did to the moderate republicans. Obama doesn't understand these people (religious with guns) and Biden has been in govt so long he no longer knows them either. Without them Mitch McConnel is the Senate Majority Leader and what has gotten passed was only because of moderate democrats that voted for it. You are so similar to the tea party, looking for an ideological purity that doesn't exist. You call people "bubba gunnuts, wingnuts, gunnuts etc etc you will lose them and then you will go back to being what you really are in this country, a minority.
You're wrong Clara. States can absolutely pass these laws. The Constitution gives wide berth to States' Rights, as does judiciary history. The Feds may choose to take a state to court over it, but it rarely happens, and the state may appeal all the way to the SCOTUS and the SCOTUS can determine that the federal statutes on a certain issue are unconstitutional and therefore void (this has happened more than the feds suing a state). If the feds choose not to sue/"prosecute" a state over legislation (usually the case), then only the federal government can enforce the laws that the state statutes nullify. The ATF already has problems taking care of REAL criminals (in fact, they prefer to sell them firearms themselves)--you won't see them walking down neighborhood streets trying to enforce federal laws that the states have nullified.
A good example: states that have passed medical marijuana laws and Colorado and Washington that just recently passed legislation to legalize marijuana for recreational use (these were passed by a vote of the people). The DEA has largely left the operations alone, and federal courts have supported the states and the will of the people in these states.
Second Amendment, meet the First Amendment. It's like paper to your rock. Go Bloomberg! Go sanity! Tell me where to send a donation.
Some people think the guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside the state, but actually most are from right there in Cook County.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/14715658-418/chicago-gangs-dont-have-to-go-far-to-buy-guns.html
Biden, like Hitler, wants to eliminate privately-owned guns. Just another fascist ...
Have to wonder two things.
First, if the anti-gun candidate lost would Biden still think is sent a message?
Second, for all those on the left cheering Bloomberg's spending. How many of you scream and cry about it when it's someone on the right doing the spending. Seems you aren't so much worried about someone "buying" an election as you are about who's doing the buying. Got to love the Hypocrisy.
The only message to be taken from this election is that money and attack ads put people in office.
The real truth is that the majority Americans are not in favor of these rifle bans,and they have been already been proven to be worthless...And the Illinois primary was won by a gun grabber because of of an over the top eccentric billionaire who bought that primary with the use of propaganda...and that in itself is a disgrace. Biden and his ilk have to use deceit and propaganda for their gun grabbing agenda..and the pro gun supporters use the truth and the facts.
"The real truth is that the majority Americans are not in favor of these rifle bans..."
The above statement is factually inaccurate and the opposite is true. According to an ABC Washington Post poll conducted just last month 58% of Americans favor reinstating the expired assault rifle ban while only 38% oppose it.
Get your facts straight brasstacs.
Will Chicago now be safe from large sugary drinks?
Let's all agree with VP Biden that the message of the IL race is "STOP THE GUN VIOLENCE". Now, some may see that as anti-gun. Some might see that as anti-crime. In either instance, SOMEONE has to enforce the law.
In this case, there are many laws in Illinois on the subject. They seem to be having no effect on the problem. Perhaps it's really not the law, but the lack of enforcement? Help me out here, if there is realistically no chance of adequate enforcement of the present laws, how are more laws going to fix that? Do we want to engage in theatre or actually fix the problem?
If we want to fix the problem, let's start with the real causes. Punks with guns that the cops can't seem to stop. Who can stop this epidemic? Moms and dads who get sick and tired of the killing and start blowing in these kids to the cops. And there's no law requiring that.
So I would suggest that instead of all the posturing, someone gets off his high horse and makes his way to the Mayor's Office, they go to the Southside and keep doing sweeps until gangbangers get the idea that no one is backing off this problem, that the residents are going to be protected by the cops day-and-night and that the punks are getting off the streets one way or the other.
But that would actually take recognition that the problem is a shared responsibility between the city - whose job it is to protect its citizens - and the residents themselves. And that would actually involve some heavy lifting.
Paper is so much easier to move.
Rick - exactly.
Plus, asking hard questions is hard - and so are implementing the solutions!
Hard work!
Scary work!
And it might be racist. Well, some would try to make it racist.
Odd how Mr. Biden stated that he didn't believe more gun laws would stop the violence (and it won't) and now he is spouting other things. So, which is it Mr. Biden?
Rick3...You are so right. Problem is, it is too hard to deal with the real root cause problems. Doing what's required would go against the basic principles of the modern democratic party - to wit, supporting family integrity and values, coming down hard on gangs, and enforcing existing laws. Much easier to have political theater and enact laws that restrict the average citizen but accomplish nothing in fact.
Lets get serious about the result of this primary election. The primary election was for the congressional seat that was Jesse Jackson Jr. which he gave up because of criminal charges brought against him. It is located in Illinois the most corrupt democratically controlled state in the union home of the city of Chicago run by the godfather of the democratic party and which has the strictest gun laws and the most gun murders in the nation.
The only message I see is hypocrisy coming from the democrats starting with the president on down to the candidates in this primary election. We in Texas will pray for you poor people who have been deprived of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and other constitutional rights.
Yes it sent a message that Chicago politicians can still be bought ( Bloomberg ) and that these idiots are still blaming the gun and not the criminal .
Did Biden grin like a fool and show off his teeth? They sure are nice.
Farrakhan Urges Black Americans to Collectively Purchase Land…and Wants to Recruit Gang Members to Protect It
Feb. 25, 2013 11:26amBilly Hallowell204
The Minister Louis Farrakhan, 79, delivered his annual Saviors' Day sermon on Sunday. As is usually the case, the three-hour address covered a variety of topics ranging from current events to the faith leader's contentious views on race relations. Of particular note was an economic plan he posited — one in which African Americans would come together to invest in land — and a pledge to reach out to gang leaders to ask them for assistance in protecting the Nation of Islam's interests.
The Saviors' Day address is generally a mixture of sermon and lecture. The event commemorates the founding of the Nation of Islam, which has espoused black nationalism and self-reliance since the 1930s. When President Barack Obama was elected in 2008, the resounding tone of the convention was jubilant, but Obama's re-election took a back seat Sunday as Farrakhan said blacks still had to rely on themselves, and not leaders, to improve their situation.
"Even though one of our own has reached the highest pinnacle of the American political system, his presence has not, cannot and will not solve our problems," Farrakhan told the crowd of men wearing navy uniforms and women dressed in white shirt suits and matching hijabs.
With 10,000 people in attendance and with a video stream of the event airing online, the reach was relatively large.
Farrakhan touched briefly on issues like Israel, Obama's cabinet and healthier food consumption — but mostly reiterated teachings from the Chicago-based movement on a plan for blacks' economic recovery and said the biggest priority should be the purchase of land.
For those who don't already know, the Nation of Islam has more than 1,500 acres of farmland in Georgia. Ishmael Muhammad, the religion's national assistant minister, told The Associated Press that the group is looking to buy thousands more acres in the Midwest.
But the more intriguing portion of the speech focused upon gangs and efforts to seek leaders and members of these groups out for the sole purposes of protecting the Nation of Islam. Here's how DNAInfo.com describes Farrakhan's framing of the proposal:
Instead, Farrakhan had a different idea for how to address gun violence. In addition to sending letters to black military leaders, Farrakhan said he planned to contact the city's gang leaders to recruit gang members to "protect" any land the Nation of Islam may buy in the future.
"All you gang bangers, we know you love to shoot, but you're killing yourselves," Farrakhan said.
Rather than killing one another, Farrakhan spoke directly to gang leaders, telling them, "We want to make you a defender of the territories that your nickels, dimes and dollars and hours will buy." He continued, explaining that gang bangers have much to teach the National of Islam about self-defense, while simultaneously condemning them for needless violence.
"You are the natural warriors to defend and the science of war must be taught to us so that we will protect whatever God allows us to buy or to build," he said. "The Second Amendment has no relevance to the black community in this sense — you don't have legal weapons. All your weapons are illegal and you're using them like a savage people would use them."
Farrakhan also said that he respects the Second Amendment and noted its prevalence in once helping the new American government keep from slipping back into tyranny. His tone was more tempered than the one he used to speak about guns in a separate speech recently.
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Mixing the 'nation of islam' (and no I won't capitalize that) with gang members?
What could possibly go wrong?
So, Joe, got any ideas as to how to convince young black men in gangs from shooting at each other?
Because, you know, if you would bother to look into the statistics and demographics, you'd see that preventing law abiding citizens of any race outside of gang areas from buying firearms that you think are scary won't affect this group one bit and the killings will continue.
I'm losing respect for you, Joe.
Hey, but he sure has nice teeth!
Sure he has an idea Pete... Stand out on the front porch and blow off both barrels of a doubled gauge. I guarantee you that will make them run away!!! LMAO!!! I believe that's what he instructed his wife to do.
Did Biden get with Jesse Jackson and organize a protest against the gang members that beat the black honor student to death in the streets of NoBamas' community organizing hometown? Didn't think so, not enough political grandstanding on that one, and he probably couldn't even get in a good grin to show off his teeth
Uh oh, was that poor kid acting white?
...this means nothing...Chicago is a cesspool of liberals...just like every other major city...broke and full of crime...
Being a former resident of Illinois I can't wait to see what impact this has on the great crime rate in Chicago.
Speaking of the great state of Illinois.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/03/while-illinois-hits-botto_n_2232575.html?ir=Chicago&ref=topbar