Divide We Fall - the GOP is falling

United We Stand - Pres. O and Democrats have improved standing among Americans.

Correction to 1.1:

Divided We Fall - that's why the GOP is falling. Sorry. Oink.

Face it America, the GOP simply likes to be the opposition Party. They just don't have any interest in true governing, especially those in Washington. When they get in power they shove...when they get out of power, they obstruct. It's unfortunately that simple.

It all means nothing if Democrats and Independents don't come out to vote in 2014. You can hollar all you want but it means nothing if they keep the majority in the House. I don't understand why the DCCC has only targetted 10 seats when they need 15. That is just lazy and defeatist. You need to shoot for 20 and settle on the 15. If you don't know how to do it then I suggest to ask Senator Patty Murray who did it in the Senate against all odds. She didn't make it on Time magazine cover either. That's your cue that she is very successfl. Successful women like Speaker Pelosi and Senator Murray will never be given credit for anything they do but you still need to learn from their leadership and quit being defeatist

Come on lefties; you know the GOP won't believe this, it's not an 'approved' poll from FauxNuz or Karl...

Yep, keep ignoring the public Republicans, it'll get you more of the same as 2012 in 2014....

So, the GOP is viewed negatively more so than Dems. I'll by that. There are a lot of young republicans that are not happy with what the GOP is doing today. Although, simply because we think the current GOP congress is not doing a good job, does not automatically mean we think the Dems or the president have better ideas. In many cases, their ideas are just as bad, an in some cases, far worse than the GOP.

Fiesty, you focus on the fact that 64% of the respondents think the GOP is being too partisan. However, you neglect that fact that 49% think the Dems are just as partisan. This appears to indicate that the GOP can be critical of their own while the Dems won't dare crticize their elected officials.

Oooops! There it is!!... Oooops! There it is...

So long as the fourth leg of the RNC platform remains a color crayon...

The WSJ is not a liberal paper for anyone that mike argue this is just liberal bias, and, I doubt we needed a poll to tell us that the GOP is completely out of touch with a majority of Americans.

The party of NO consistently turns on a deaf ear to what the American people are saying. This is really no surprise to those of us who have been really paying attention to politics over the last several years. The tea people will be the undoing of the Republican party. If the Republican party is to have any chance, they must separate themselves from the cancer within their party.

Just_D_Facts

The Demagogue-In-Chief Obama’s modus operandi - When you can't ADD anything of value or SUBTRACT from the problems our Nation faces you MULTIPLY our misery by DIVIDING our people!

Ironic to see this posted on an article saying Republicans don't want to unify and create a response together with the Democrats.

That's right, it's HOOOOOOOOSAAAAIN OWEBAMA! that's the divider. Republicans are just getting a bad rap, it's not their fault. Would you believe they actually want to work together?

Pay no attention to their rhetoric... they certainly aren't. After all, it's HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSAAAAAAAAAAAIN OWEBAMA! that's behind it all. Right?

Feisty and Piggy.....

If you're not middle class, but low income...I get it. If you are middle class,

you will also feel the pain that both parties are putting us in.

And please...will you both answer the question I posted earlier?

If you don't have enough money ( personally) to pay your bills, what

do YOU do? Cut back on some things, or borrow more money?? Seriousely.

Not picking parties, just give me an honest answer. Thanks.

@ Truth Hurts: We did take a poll. We took it in November. We called it the Presidential Election. The country re-elected president Obama because he and the party is closer to representing who and what this country is in 2013 than what the Republican party and its presidential nominee could ever hope to be. More than half the country(albeit more if every single registered voter had voted) has moved to center left. The Republican party refuses to see this and thus their leaders are stuck in a time warp of their own making.

Speaking to the liberals. Public opinion polls in Feb. 2013 do not mean anything in Nov. 2014. Not to bring down the mood but that is a fact.

Despite people believing it is the Reps fault and they are being partisan what happens if the economy weakens and unemployment rises? I don't believe the voting public will attach the blame to the GOP. Despite their obstructive tactics whether you agree it is chess or checkers the GOP plan could work. It could get so bad or not good enough fast enough for an un-enthused electorate to vote the status quo and keep the House - R.

Besides who really cares if you are winning the argument when social programs are cut for the poor and the young. Is it worth celebrating "winning the argument" when programs like head start that helps the poor either sink or swim is cut indiscriminately? Is it worth a high five to accept indiscriminate cuts to defense and government programs in lieu of making precise hard choices on entitlements? Is it worth cutting Medical research, forfeiting environmental protection and safety inspections because no one wanted to face reality and raise taxes in Jan?

Speaking to the GOP, why do they not see that the sequester and their obstinance against compromising is causing uncertainty. It causes uncertainty in the number of jobs and people who will lose them. Yes in GOP group think the "hated government sector" loses jobs but it will also cause uncertainty to the private sector. The private sector and small business supporting those gov. job/workers will not hire. If the economy falters and the unemployment rises will the GOP laud this acheivement? Will they blame Obama for the rising unemployment and lessened GDP it may create?

How I wish the partisans in Washington didn't hamstring the solution by continuing the Bush/Obama tax cuts. How I wish the partisans in Washington didn't soundly rejected Simpson Bowles. Now we are left with bad choices.

"But hurray for my side." - Sarcasm

31,

There's no "both parties" doing this. It is absolute false equivalency.

Dems want to have modest tax increases and targeted cuts. Reps are happy with the sequester to go through as-is.

The latter is widely known to be very BAD policy. We'll all suffer, poor, middle class, and yes, the rich too. Dumb is dumb. I don't even know why the rich vote for these idiots.

If you don't have enough money ( personally) to pay your bills, what do YOU do?

You are implying that government finances and household financing work on the same principles. They do not - they are completely different.

Govt by poll... Sure, the GOP is off base, but believe me, the Dems aren't hitting any home runs either. In the end, working Americans will be asked to sacrifice once again--as if we haven't already drained out lunch bucket years ago. The Dems will get the upper hand, then sell you out & put a spin on it. "Well we saved social security, although no one will get a cola anymore. And instead of firing 5000 people, we only fired 4500--we saved 500 people!"

I can't even call myself Democrat anymore. I'll just say an independent lefty.

And for those partisans above me, defending left and right in such a knee jerk fashion doesn't help anybody. I see that on TV. MSNBC has become as propagandistic as Fox.

The poll is a reflection of the major media's portrayal of the story from day 1, republicans = obstructionists, democrats/Obama = bipartisan victims. This is no surprise at all since the major media has their collective noses so far up Obama's butt that their tonsils are brown. I've seen a president who has no interest in bipartisanship, only in creating wedge issues to divide the country acrossevery conceivable race, class, gender, sexual orientation, and physical ability or lac-there-of. It never had to be this way, conservative republicans have great ideas that are both needed and helpful to our nations recovery and long term survival. Obama to his credit was honest back in 2008 when he said he wanted to transform America. The only problem was nobody bothered to ask what that transformation would look like, no one in the media asked for details, details that would have been demanded from a conservative candidate. Many of us suspected but hoped we were wrong. It turns out our worst fears are realized, and there may be no turning back as too many have drank the kool-aid, believing they are victims of a greed instead of taking the opportunity, open to every American, to better themselves and their lot in life. Now they firmly believe they are "Entitled" to some form of assistance because life wasn't fair to them.

Truth_Hurts ... Seriously, It does!!!

You mean to tell me you are skeptical of polling science even AFTER the drubbing the Repblicans got last November???

Like the saying goes, you can sit there and LOOK stupod, or open your mouth and rove it. Thanks for the evidence @Truth_Hurts-3416308

Yellowdog,

I agree that you can't tie Republican idiocy now to Dem wins in 2014.

The people that vote for their crap can't hold a memory that long or the Reps would have been gone long ago.

As I said in my last post, I don't even understand why the "rich" vote for these guys. Who cares if you have lower taxes if you have LOWER INCOME because of a crappy economy.

I can tell you from my own experience that a good economy and thriving business is MUCH more important to my bottom line than a few percent here or there in a tax rate.

Reps want the government to fail, which is just plain dumb for rich people as much as everybody else. I don't understand why the "rich" don't make some calls and put these idiots in their place.

Am I missing something? Why don't the well-to-do that have so much influence over the Republicans top this crap?

More than half the country(albeit more if every single registered voter had voted) has moved to center left.

Alaskagirl: That is pure speculation on your part. The DNC did not win by as wide a margin as they like to brag about. Out of the 120 million that voted, little more than half went for Obama, which also had the advantage of being the incumbent.

Regardless...how does your point support the question of Unity? From the Left, it sounds like unity is to agree with them or they childishly accuse you of being a racist, hating America and the poor. How does that unify anyone? From the Right, they don't preach unity, they preach collaboration and compromise which the Left doesn't understand how to process or negotiate. Neither is a win-win for America at present and we the people are suffering the consequences..

Obama's line on spending cuts is that he will gladly cut next Tuesday for a tax increase today. So far Obama has not cut one penny in spending. His often talked about spending cuts haven't happened yet, and we will have to wait around until 2022 to find out if they ever do. The time for tax reform is now. There is no such thing as modest tax increases. Our entire tax code is a train wreck and needs a total overhaul. We need all loopholes closed, and a simple tax code. Washington created this mess, and so far no one has suggested anything that will truly fix the problem once and for all. Any talk of targeted is just one side taking aim at the other, and we have seen that rerun all too often. They have been talking about fixing our tax code for decades, and today it is all still just talk.

Hard,

You just have a perspective of Obama that leads you to see him as divisive.

Things like gay marriage, race, gender, and class...Obama is actually with the mainstream--it's you that is not. You don't agree, so you see it as divisive.

How, for example is gender equality in the workplace possibly divisive?

Not renewing the equal pay law is the divisive act, don't you think?

You mean to tell me you are skeptical of polling science even AFTER the drubbing the Repblicans got last November???

Nope. I am ALWAYS skeptical of news media polls...whether FOX, NBC or whoever. To Poll 1000 people out of 300 million is asinine...not accurate.

More than half the country(albeit more if every single registered voter had voted) has moved to center left.

Including some that voted up to six times! Oh, I know, I know, voter fraud doesn't happen, my bad!

Honestly, I'm really not sure what readers here would expect other than these results from a 'news' company that would continually hire far left raicst progressives such as sharpton, axelrod, etc.

Another non-story.

Imagine that, a poll that reflects what many FR posters have been saying. 64% of the public recognizes the GOPTP as being the partisan culprit. 43% say President Obama is taking the partisan approach while 48% say he's the one trying for unity. As for the 43%, my observation is they have only paid attention since President Obama decided to stop playing the GOPTPers game of whack-a-mole and instead verbally hands the GOPTPers a mallet and watches them whack one of their own.

Oddly enough, the 22% of those polled who say the GOP wants to unify is the exact same number of people who identify themselves officially as republicans.

Truth Hurts,

little more than half went for Obama, which also had the advantage of being the incumbent.

A "little more than half" is what it takes to win, didn't you get the memo?

Joke aside, Obama won despite a crappy economy that Republicans were doing everything they could to trip up for 4 years straight, and Obama STILL won!

An in the House, Dems also won more votes by over 1 million in the overall popular vote, yet still are down 30 seats! So Republicans are just cheating to get as far as they have.

The polls are showing that America is starting to get the picture of what these guys really stand for.

You're in trouble, you know that don't you?

Truth_Hurts-3416308

A FOX news Poll would have shown just the opposite. This isn't a big deal...it is just more liberal cannon fodder for the media to jump on. Same thing if it were from the right.

So WSJ is a liberal newspaper?

Rick,

Don't LIE. There was a TRILLION in spending cuts in the 2011 bill that ALSO generated the sequester.

And you do realize that a tax increase also improves the deficit situation, right?

So a tax increase TODAY does help the deficit you so fret about.

unifying us......yeah, we're all unemployed

Truth-Hurts,

To Poll 1000 people out of 300 million is asinine...not accurate.

No, it is accurate within a margin of error, that would be MATH and SCIENCE, things you probably don't believe in, and probably why Nate Silver was perfectly correct last November, and you were very surprised.

SMBus - I can tell you from my own experience that a good economy and thriving business is MUCH more important to my bottom line than a few percent here or there in a tax rate.

Reps want the government to fail, which is just plain dumb for rich people as much as everybody else. I don't understand why the "rich" don't make some calls and put these idiots in their place.

______

Thanks for your insight. You bring up some good questions. After all we as a country/people are interconnected. In a purely economic sense there are consequences for these cuts for example at a shut down government plant/base.

Will the newly unemployed gov. worker be able to make their house payments, will the housing market worsen, will construction dampen, will foreclosures rise? Will service jobs be lost around these government installations? Will those business owners miraculously find new clients to make up for those they lost? Will they be forced to slash their workforce? Will those private sector employees go the route of the laid off government worker and face the same problems? Will the small business owner be able to keep their doors open at all; or will they follow suit to the unemployment line and government unemployment benefits?

Thank you, SmBusOwner. I could not have rebutted that any better. Folks like Truth Hurts just refuse to see it. The truth really does hurt! HA! So totally apropos!

Who'd you Poll Mark? the LibsRUS or DDI.

probably why Nate Silver was perfectly correct last November, and you were very surprised.

not surprised, just showed there were more lazy uneducated people (about Hussein) than previously thought. Mea Culpa for having faith in Americans. 4 years of Jetting, RVing and Road Trippin definitely benefited Oblamo's re-election campaign. Didnt really do much for, well, America as a whole.

Truth Hurts

Take a poll of all 300 million citizens

Name 1 poll that was conducted that included 300 million people. Come on, you so smart I know you have 1 poll you would like to share with us...

Truth_Hurts-3416308

A FOX news Poll would have shown just the opposite.

A Faux sNewzzzzz Poll predicted Romney would win.

Salud

31yearsofservice

And please...will you both answer the question I posted earlier?

If you don't have enough money ( personally) to pay your bills, what

do YOU do? Cut back on some things, or borrow more money?? Seriousely.

I myself am not partison (all about the facts) but I 'assume' you think the quick answer is cut spending.... but what if you dont have money to pay for heat/food/clothes? Then yes, people rack up a credit card to survive. Im all about cutting the waste but this across the board crap is stupid. Cut out all the non used military bases, make welfare work and not just hand out checks, give people incentives to get associate degrees, etc... this is smart social spending. As for revenue, if people knew where their taxes were actually paying for, they would sign up. Remember when clinton up'ed the gas tax and said it went to the debt.... over welming public support

Gee, I better go back and read the article again. I thought the people felt both parties were playing partisan politics rather than working on a solution. My bad.

And uh... 49% believe the Democrats are playing partisan politics is nothing to celebrate. Both parties need to work together and our President should be leading the charge rather than campaigning for his solutions.

hardtostarboard,

I've seen a president who has no interest in bipartisanship

Well, there it is, folks, the voice of the 33%.

The poll is a reflection of the major media's portrayal of the story from day 1, republicans = obstructionists, democrats/Obama = bipartisan victims.

If the truth hurts and you simply cannot face it head-on, blame the media. Yep, good strategy. Stick your head in the sand--if you can't see it, it doesn't exist.

hardtostarboard's view epitomizes why the GOP's numbers will shrink, and shrink, and shrink. It won't be long before they diminish to such an extent that they rename themselves the OQP (One-Quarter Party).

Had more people been able to vote, Obama would have had a larger majority.

CA,

The polls said Obama was winning, and he did.

I actually think Republicans rely on issue voters (guns, abortion) that have nothing to do with the economy, deficits, taxes or the debt. If you took them out, Republicans would lose by HUGE margins.

Even the bulk of the lower middle class Republican voter is hurt by their policies, so it doesn't make sense for them to vote Republican either.

And, as I argued above, a thriving economy is more important than tax rates for wealth creation, so EVEN RICH PEOPLE shouldn't vote for these economy-killing Republicans.

The ONLY voters who should be Republican are the gun a bible issue voters!

Who cares! Well I actually do care and it hurts. It hurts that we are a country divided with dems supposed to hate repubs and repubs to hate dems. Both parties like it that way because they each have their cut of the pie. They aren't the ones being screwed...the American people are getting the screw job. The super rich control both parties and if you don't realize that then you are the idiot, not the person in the other party. Obama no more cares about the welfare of this country than Romney did. Why? If he really cared he would make it a national priority to stop the gangs that run the streets of America. The Chicago district he represented in Illinois has the highest murder rate in the nation...a young lady who sang at his inaugural was murdered by one of those gang members. Does he use this to take on the gangs...no...he sends Michelle with her empathetic face. Stop hating each other America and start solving problems by dumping all these incumbents. As for the president, if you think Obama hasn't made very serious mistakes while in office then you are just blind. Frontline did an excellent piece on Obama's first months in office on his handling of the monetary crisis at that time...a mistake that is the primary reason we are still in a housing crisis. If you think we are out of the woods...you enjoy hanging by your fingernails. He just wants to keep the party going until he leaves office...just like everyone in DC. We need an American president for America who can face the tough choices and do battle...not just read a teleprompter speech written by a cadre of scriptwriters. We need a good repub like Teddy Roosevelt or a good dem like Andrew Jackson...Obama is neither and is just kicking the can down the road that will turn into a monster truck to run over our children and grandchildren.

Don't hold your breath, Republican Party.. I won't ever vote for you again, you idiots!!

And get ready for the "ditto" replys.......... They're EVERYWHERE!!

SmBusOwner - You say there was $1 Trillion in cuts in the 2011 bill but you do realize that is suppose to be over a 10 year period, which doesn't even cover the increase in spending and there is no guarantee that those cuts will even be made.

I agree a tax increase improves the deficit, BUT, only if applied to the deficit and not spent by those in Washington on pet projects.

Before we do more tax increases let's have a complete audit of all government departments and their programs. We know from past GAO and IG reports that there are billions being wasted through fraud, and duplication of programs, or programs that are not effective. Once we cut the waste, fraud and duplication of programs, then we can revise the tax codes to eliminate loop holes, subsidies, tax credits and other perks.

Sounds like the respondents may be smarter than I thought. So, most of the respondents are unified in wanting us to drive off the cliff with Obama and the dems at the helm. But, those interested in saving the country are viewed in a negative light because we love the country that the dems are working so hard to destroy. I'll stand with the minority on this one.

grew up in a conservative republican home and even I see the republican disconnection. Im not implying they conform, but there are better ways to stand by your principals. To me its like they cross their arms and wont even try the pudding. If you rely on the religious and 2nd ammendment base to pander to, its a losing battle. It may take 2,5,10 years but the next gen conservatives are just going to break off to tell the old men to sit out

Jason,

Name 1 poll that was conducted that included 300 million people. Come on, you so smart I know you have 1 poll you would like to share with us...

There was a poll of 160M(?) in the general election. We found out that the smaller polls were pretty close to accurate, and especially so the "poll of polls" like Nate Silver's that was correct within 0.2% (or something like that).

MATH and SCIENCE show that you CAN make accurate predictions about things that haven't occurred yet--like the WEATHER, the position of that giant asteroid that JUST missed Earth, or CO2 induced climate change.

Ron,

The super rich control both parties and if you don't realize that then you are the idiot, not the person in the other party. Obama no more cares about the welfare of this country than Romney did.

That is a false equivalency. Demonstrably, Democrats DO THINGS for the benefit of the general population that Republicans don't, be it support for unemployment, the minimum wage or provisions of the EPA.

Do you really believe Obama and Romney have equal care for the average American?

AlaskaGirl-759554

"The party of NO consistently turns on a deaf ear to what the American people are saying. This is really no surprise to those of us who have been really paying attention to politics over the last several years. The tea people will be the undoing of the Republican party. If the Republican party is to have any chance, they must separate themselves from the cancer within their party."

Absolutely true... And i think already too late.

Ever seen the tv show "Monsters Inside Me"?... Usually some unsuspecting host makes some terrible decision(s) and ends up with a parasite that was a lot easier to attract than it is to get rid of...

Totally reminds me of the GOP... They went off on Safari in darkest 'Merka seeking the legendary " 'Merkin-Vota" without fully realizing just how life-altering the hunt would be... By the time the parasitic infection made itself apparent it had multiplied and spread to such an extent that it was in virtual control of the host, indiscernible from it. No attempt at assigning cause and effect was possible any longer as the host and parasite had become one... And nature was left to take its course.

OMG, SBOinNY! You just said two very bad words! Climate change. Blasphemy I tell ya! Blasphemy!

Hey, Chick! Yeah, I think it's probably too late, just trying to throw them a lifeline!

31....

I think your question has been answered. Now here are a couple for you:

If you owned a business that was doing well but could do better if you made some repairs to your plant and upgraded your equipment to increase capacity would you seek funding to repair your building and upgrade your equipment?

Would you review your current loans and shop for a lower interest rate or would you refuse to re-finance because that would require a new loan?

If you were lucky enough to get a huge order for your product but lacked the cash on hand to purchase labor, raw materials or other items needed to complete the order would you go to the bank and seek a loan based on the potential value of the completed order?

The point is, sometimes it makes good sense to borrow money to enable an expansion in production that leads to greater gross income, more jobs and a better bottom line. I think Obama has been arguing for funding that will help our country compete better in a world economy. New roads mean better and quicker deliveries. A better grid means a more efficient and more productive distribution of energy to where it is most needed. Better schools and access to education mean a better workforce capable of building higher valued products.... And it all means more jobs, an expanded tax base and a robust economy.

sfcret, witchrunner,

I'm for fiscal responsibility too. "Responsibility" also means you can't just cut a Trillion in a year. You have to plan for it in a way that is smart and responsible. You don't buy a car or a house with cash, you have a car loan or a mortgage. Our debt is a mortgage. More accurately, the debt is like a home equity line of credit that has an infinite period.

The Government never has to retire and live of the value of the house. It has an indefinite income and an indefinite life. The country can live forever. We NEVER have to "pay off" the debt, we just have to manage it as a portion of the national income.

After WWII we had a debt that was 125% of GDP. Over 35 years (from 1945 to 1980) we paid that down to 25% of GDP, mostly through growth in the economy. We can do that again, but we need to GROW, and we should expect that it's going to take 30 years.

How do we GROW? ...through spending and investment. Cost cutting doesn't grow anything. I own a business, I know. The only way you grow is through investment, not corner cutting.

I was for letting all of the Bush tax cuts expire, but let them come back slowly--maybe over 5 or 10 years. That way there was no cliff. Now, we'll never get those revenues. I think from a fiscal responsibility perspective, that was a mistake. So there, I pointed out where I'M not a dogmatic Obama-supporter.

On the other hand, I do think that any cuts we implement also need to be phased in slowly, not in a butcher-knife economy killing sequester. It's just DUMB.

If you put party and puppet masters above country and unity you plain and simply suck and are psychopaths.

It's sad that the GOP's only relevance hangs upon their organized crime family manipulations, obstructions and fear tactics. Their games are allowing the nation to still be continually fleeced at every corner. The fascists are still winning even though they are a minority. They laugh at our stupidity in the corporate board rooms and think tanks.

You made this bed, GOP and righties, with your intransigence and willful obstructionism.

A person would have to be blind and deaf, or choose to be so, not to see the obvious: this was a strategy on the part of the GOP, and it has melted down.

Deal with your crap, Repubbies.

Ron-975213

Who cares! Well I actually do care and it hurts. It hurts that we are a country divided with dems supposed to hate repubs and repubs to hate dems.

You can see a microcosm of that right here in this comment forum.

Smbusowner,

There was a poll of 160M(?) in the general election. We found out that the smaller polls were pretty close to accurate, and especially so the "poll of polls" like Nate Silver's that was correct within 0.2% (or something like that).

Agreed, my point to that idiot "Truth hurt" was that there is no single Poll that covers 300 million people all at once.

Nate Silver was the most accurate pollster. Its funny how right wingers was saying before the election that Rasmussen was the most accurate. Now we dont hear them say anything about Rasmussen..

SmBusOwnerinNY

On the other hand, I do think that any cuts we implement also need to be phased in slowly, not in a butcher-knife economy killing sequester. It's just DUMB.

SBO-NY (I think that abbreviation should work?),

I think most of us will agree that the idea shouldn't be to just take the meat cleaver and cleave off whatever percentage and toss it into the savings bucket. The reason it's being done this way is because we couldn't get the two sides to come together and agree on a responsible way to reduce expenses. So about 18 months ago (Yes, 18 months) we decided on the Budget Control Act of 2011 sure that we could get along by the time we were actually expected to enforce it.

18 months is sadly a political eon, but even in that time, we couldn't get them to come together and make a responsible way to cut this. Not through debate, direct dealing, super committee, beer summit, invites to watch Lincoln, golf course, loud incomprehensible shouting, ESP, Ouija Board, reading of tea leaves or entrails, watching Andy Griffith in reverse... none of it worked. So we're left with the option of cutting it like a side of meat.

Is it the dumb way to do it? Naturally. But this is what happens when our leadership in Washington couldn't find sensible cuts. Since this is the way the bill was done and subsequent agreements were done, this is the way that they likely will occur if nothing changes.

I'm not sure which part I find more dumb to do- hack off a portion of the budget indiscriminately or get a bunch of people together to write legislation no one actually wants to come to pass, put that turd on the Presidents desk and get him to sign it... all with the knowledge that everyone who voted to pass this didn't actually want it to occur.

Sadly, taking a butcher knife to the budget just doesn't seem as stupid as the process we took to get it there.

The polls said Obama was winning, and he did.

obviously

also means you can't just cut a Trillion in a year

really, sure can spend it that fast.

I own a business, I know. The only way you grow is through investment, not corner cutting.

and i can find an equal number of smbiz owners that would say they know too and have the opposite view and opinion. you think Keynesian Economics work, you show me where

Obama Flunkies put out a poll on a leftist based news program and they are suprised the people respond 3 to 1. I wonder how many Dems voted multiple times? Just like the election.

Repo

SBO is fine, I'll see that.

So we all know it's dumb (well, most of us do, there are probably some knuckle-draggers that think it doesn't matter how you make cuts). Nobody really wants it.

The question is: how do you get any of the politicians to actually act in the country's best interest? (forget term-limits and things like that--I'm talking about right NOW).

I think you need the Republican money machine to start talking to them. The really wealthy are worse off with a stagnating economy. Why don't they speak up?

Public says GOP less interested in unity than Obama is

The most abrasive and divisive president in the history of this country and they conjure up some BS poll that says Obama is interested in unity.

There will certainly be a bunch of extremely stupid people that will buy into this, but the rest of us know better because we recognize propaganda when it rears its ugly head.

There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion.
Winston Churchill

campdog & SmBusOwner - You can not equate running the government as if it was a business. The government doesn't manufacture anything nor does it make money through sales or production. The government money comes from taxes, fee and tariffs. A business is run for a profit, the government is not. One big difference between a business and government, the business is spending their own money and resources while the Government is spending the peoples money.

The only think I see wrong with the sequester is that, as the Republicans have said, it is a cut in ALL PROGRAMS within a Department instead of being left up to each Department to make the cuts.

Oooops I forgot something.....

If your company was one that had been around a long time and you had a group of retirees that had helped your family build this business would you seek to raise your cash funds by eliminating the retirement package your father and grandfather had promised?

CA,

You said "who'd you poll LibsRus or DDI" that implies you didn't believe the numbers. I said the election poll numbers and the real result aligned. CA, -1

"sure can spend it that fast" Of course. $3.5T IS the budget burn. You can't cut 1/3 of a budget. They're saying cutting 2.4% is going to cause a real hit to the economy. You think you can cut 30%? CA, -2

You can make higher PROFIT by cutting, sure. But you can't GROW a business without then SPENDING those savings. No matter what you have to INVEST to grow. CA, -3

So let's pretend the poll is accurate....then it is still not good news for the DNC either.

43 percent say he's (Obama) taking a partisan approach that doesn't unify the country.

In the past 4 elections we have had to choose between Dumb and Dumber for President. They have mostly been partisan Politicians, not actual Statesmen. The key difference is that truly noble and respected statesmen don't govern by public opinion polls like the DNC and Obama do, or Bush did at the end of his term. The GOP is constantly going against Popular opinion which is why they are losing ground these days. Unfortunately, true statesmen are a thing of the past...just like the GOP will be if they don't start playing by today's lowly standards for cool, politically correct politicians.

Wet Willy,

I'll repeat what I said to Harto Starboard about Obama's supposed "divisiveness:

You just have a perspective of Obama that leads you to see him as divisive.

Things like gay marriage, race, gender, and class...Obama is actually with the mainstream--it's you that is not. You don't agree, so you see it as divisive.

How, for example, is gender equality in the workplace possibly divisive?

Not renewing the equal pay law is the divisive act, don't you think?

GOP believes in faith-based polling, not science-based. That was proven last November.

Am I the only one that noticed that with Republicans it's always, "skewed polls, lamestream media, uninformed voters". You never hear, "maybe we should look at our message".

Deven

Obama Flunkies put out a poll on a leftist based news program and they are suprised the people respond 3 to 1. I wonder how many Dems voted multiple times? Just like the election.

Delusional and Pathetic.. I guess you heard that from Rush limbo..

sfcret,

The government is more like a non-profit, really. There are plenty of them that take in donations and redistribute them according to their charter. They don't "make" anything.

You also cannot compare the government to running a household. The government has no plan for retirement or death, so there is no reason to plan to pay off the mortgage. They just need to manage the debt responsibly. Paying it off could actually be irresponsible because it would mean austerity for a generation or two of the population and it wouldn't even necessarily benefit the subsequent generations.

Regarding who's money is being spent, well, the government IS the people's government. They are US, not THEM. In your TOWN, don't you want THAT government to run well? There's no difference really, you just don't know the people. You still want it to work. It's yours.

You have to stop thinking of the Federal Government as THEM. Like the Army, they are US.

Gotta love this line about the sequestration

If one removes zeroes to get this into the terms more people are familiar with, the budget is $3,815 and the reduction is $85.

Even Stevie Wonder can see the problem is Boehner and his crew of obstructionists. The only ones who don't see it is the one's who are loyal to their death with the republican party, and the one's who can't stand this particular President like little Deven Sharma .

When it comes to you'll saying the President is divisive, I don't know, I remember during the last weeks of the campaign at Obama's campaign stops there was a "rainbow" of supporters there, behind him on the podium, in the audience, but at Romney's campaign stops, not so much, seemed like just one type American was behind him on the podium, and in his audience, and to prove that point, look who you'll are promenading out front, Marco Rubio, as in, we didn't get enough of the Hispanic vote, I guess not, you didn't involve anyone of color in your campaign......

Read it and weap cry Boehner!!!

Dear Truth_Hurts and all those in that ilk...

It never ceases to amaze me that even after the severe drubbing (a.k.a. ass whoopin) you suffered in November...you continue to be skeptical of the will of the "vast majority"! In case you need further clarification...before the GOP is totally decimated in November 2014...the "vast majority" is done with the selfish...corporate welfare...oligarchy...theocratic...bigoted BS! The denial of the math and science in "comprehensive" polls (unlike the ones conducted by FOX) is classic for a group continually trying to find an identity among the ashes of failed falsehoods. The GOP is akin to Sybil. Good luck deniers!

Truth,

So let's pretend the poll is accurate....then it is still not good news for the DNC either.

There's no reason to think the poll is NOT accurate and the numbers are so far apart it doesn't matter anyway. 64/22 is effectively the same as 60/26.

You are right that the numbers aren't particularly good for Dems, but they are REALLY bad for Reps.

22% saying Rps are being bipartisan means that practically nobody thinks that to be true. Something like 15% think Congress is doing a good job!

The thing that the poll doesn't ask is if bipartisanship is a GOOD thing.

One could argue that the higher bipartisanship rating is just wishy-washiness. I don't have an opinion about that, I'm just saying that bipartisan=good is subjective.

SmBusOwnerinNY

I think you need the Republican money machine to start talking to them. The really wealthy are worse off with a stagnating economy. Why don't they speak up?

It's a question of resources I think. As we know, the wealthy in most economies will be fine. More savings to fall back on and they are better able to weather the economic downturn until the upturn comes.

It might be bad thing short term but in the long term may turn into a net positive. As the wealthy continue to make money, they will not see it in quite as much of a "crisis mode" of someone losing their job with very little savings to fall back on.

There is nothing to motivate them into "We absolutely must have action now" mode. In some cases, it may be better to sit back and quietly weather the storm.

SBOinNY, thanks for your insight.

Thanks for showing how both taxing and cutting are required to advance the economy

Thanks too for pointing out that polls are a mathematically accepted way of predicting the results of a much larger sampling.

Lil-Michelle

OK, so if it's "only" $85 out of $3,815, why bother with it? Just repeal it if it's nothing.

I'd argue that it is something. If you take home $3,815 every two weeks or every month, $85 is something. That's a nice dinner out or a movie and ice cream with the family. That's something that you get, and the economy gets when you spend that money. Multiply that by EVERY family in the country and it's real money in the economy.

Crazy Steve-1996926

Come on lefties; you know the GOP won't believe..

Of course not , this poll comesfrom the Obama media machine, the lap dog for Obama. This is not seriou only good for liberals , you can have orgasm with those numbers but we know is MNS lies.

Well, the "budget" is STILL higher than last year, so I don't see a problem removing a few bucks... but then again, wouldn't be the end of the world if they do repeal it

redvirginia

Of course not , this poll comesfrom the Obama media machine, the lap dog for Obama. This is not seriou only good for liberals , you can have orgasm with those numbers but we know is MNS lies.

Which part is the lie, that NBC/WSJ held a poll, or that these are the results?

Just trying to get a little clarification. Thanks!

You never hear, "maybe we should look at our message".

They have in the past. But it's more than just message. There was little difference politically between McCain and Obama in messaging. Conservatives held their noses when voting for McCain. Their moral fiber will not be changed easily. There will always be the haves and have nots. It is a cycle. For now, the GOP are the have nots. The political cycle will fluctuate at some point again toward conservatism and then vice versa. It's the beauty of our system. Conservatives are still a strong force to be reckoned with in America. Whether the GOP is able to keep conservative support and still go farther left will determine their survival and if a new Conservative party is needed.

Repo,

You point to the main problem with income inequality: at some point you are rich enough not to care; nothing really affects you.

I have long felt that there are even two types of "rich" people. There are people like me who work for a living, do well, but make well under a $million a year. We're the ones who are taxed the most. Once you make $5M or $20M like Romney and people like him, you don't work, and you hire people to make sure you pay 15%. THAT is the UnAmerican dream right there. There is a huge hurdle, and if you make it over, you're on easy street. I'd much rather see a system where it is always increasingly hard to continue to gain.

There is no other system where getting to the peak is easier once you've made it past the first obstacle ($2M in income).

If you're a skier, it's not EASIER once you've made it past the Olympic qualifiers!

Taxes should be continually progressive. That should mean that the person making $50K pays less than the one making $250K, and that person less than the one making $1M, an so on right up to hundreds of millions.

Republicans continue to ignore their biggest hurdle and what most would consider the 300 lb. gorilla in the room:

How will the GOP continue to even hold on to, let along increase their voters if their policies continue to favor a minority of the population?

We have proven that $$$ will not sway a tight election. Americans have seen through that veil. Will their attempt to "change the message (not their beliefs)" work?

They do not have an answer. The only thing they can and will do is continue to paint themselves into a corner. Obstruct, confuse, disorient and lie. Compromise is not in their vocabulary. Nor is leadership, initiative or integrity.

SmBusOwnerinNY

I have long felt that there are even two types of "rich" people. There are people like me who work for a living, do well, but make well under a $million a year. We're the ones who are taxed the most. Once you make $5M or $20M like Romney and people like him, you don't work, and you hire people to make sure you pay 15%. THAT is the UnAmerican dream right there. There is a huge hurdle, and if you make it over, you're on easy street. I'd much rather see a system where it is always increasingly hard to continue to gain.

You might actually prefer that, however I feel the vast majority would be against that sort of "glass ceiling" approach when it comes to those already in that income bracket. Many will feel they already paid their dues/cut their teeth getting to that point and deserve a break. Of course, for the vast majority of the populace, that's not a worry that will ever need to be realized.

I think that wealth inequality that has continued to grow more and more disparate is one of the reasons that you'll see the lack of forced action now. Even if we have the two different types of rich as you suggest, even still they combined aren't going to be the loud force to demand solutions that work for everyone.

As much as we love to have the loud chanting mobs of the Democracy, we both know that money talks in this situation. And I don't see any of the large and well connected political players on either side suggesting that it's time to honestly sit back and have a look. Better or worse, they will likely be fine. By the time they even started to feel the squeeze, the mob in the streets will likely have lost their voice.

TP Downgrade,

Agreed.

I don't even understand why rich people support these guys. Poor economic performance hurts rich people's income more than a few percent in taxes ever will.

The only constituency that legitimately should vote for the GOP are the Gun people and the Bible people.

The only thing holding the GOP afloat are the lower middle class "commie" haters that think anything "community" is a bad thing. The country is a community, but they'd rather think that their rugged individualism got them where they are, and the GOP relies on it, and feeds that idea. It's the ONLY thing that keeps them relevant. Otherwise, they'd already be dead.

"Public says GOP less interested in unity than Obama is"

Didn't need to take a poll for this..how you think Obama won in 2008 and 2012?

SmBus - you are OK in my book! You make so much sense, I would probably buy you a beer just to hear what you had to say!

Now, just don't talk bad about us Libertarians, ok? (hehe)

Repojam & SmBzOwner

Wealth accumulation should be positively correlated with how many people you bring along with you. The more wealth you accumulate for average Americans, the more income you can earn. Addresses inequality.

What we cannot have is continued corporate overseas labor shops utilizing cheap labor in place of what our out-of-work countrymen could be doing. Would it raise the cost .... yes. Not as much as the scarecrows of washington would have you believe. At the same time, the big wigs at the top reap all the benefits of these cost savings. Oh, and your uninformed wal-mart customer living down by the river. They just saved 10 cents on that lipstick.

How many more WalMart t-shirts and i-pads will it take to break the camels back?

Repo,

I don't think of it as a ceiling, rather a continuous upward slope. There should be a cost to making more and more.

In other venues I've made the case for higher taxes as an eventual incentive to reinvest money rather than even take it as income in the first place.

If your tax rate is 50%, then hiring an employee costs you HALF of the amount of the pay (because it's deductible at 50%). If your tax rate is 15%, the cost of the that employee is 85% of the amount you pay them (because only 15% is a deduction). Isn't THAT an incentive for hiring--a half-price employee?

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Lil Michelle, you probably spoke too soon!

"You are implying that government finances and household financing work on the same principles. They do not - they are completely different".

The hell they don't. Economics 101 is Economics 101 no matter where it is applied because Economics 101 is nothing more than simple math and common sense. Both are required anywhere a budget is needed. And common sense states that you can't stand in a bucket and pull yourself up by the handle.

That's the problem with the left. They have no common sense. If they did, they would understand that the basic principles of math and economics don't change just because Obama does the figuring. Spending more than what you make always ends you in debt whether that be a government or whether that be a household, or whether that be a business. Borrowing more money to pay off debt while increasing spending results in unfathomable debt which results in bankruptcy and loss of possessions. Now, if that's not what's going on here then how do you explain the current National Debt and the fact that China pretty much owns the title to the U.S.A? Sorry folks, but no matter how much you love Obama, nor how willing you are to follow him blindly off of a cliff, no matter how hard you believe, he will never be able to make 2+2 equal 10. He is not, as Chris Rock claimed, our Lord and Savior. He does not feed the masses with 2 loaves and 2 fish. He can only blame Bush for the lack bread and fish. He's nothing more than a damned good politician who's bad at math but understands perfectly the ignorance of his voter base.

Truth hurts (#1.24) In what alternate universe does the right preach collaboration and compromise? That is so far from the truth it isn’t in the same universe.

Are you referring to Boehner’s “we got 98% of what we wanted” negotiations? Or “our number one priority is to make Obama a one term President”?

Obama has come to the table giving up more than any progressives wanted him to just to open negotiations and the right has poked him in the eye and given him the finger for his trouble.

The right thinks compromise is a swear word and will have none of it.

GOP are the Gun people and the Bible people

SmBusOwner. I like a lot of your comment. Community is a good thing and perhaps if you knew more actual conservatives, rather than believe the stigma they are given by the media, you will learn they greatly support community too, just with a lot less government influence. All the hot air that I hear from Washington is divisive for communities. The Tea party never once had violent protests and arrests. The OWS was out of control and getting arrested...even shut down businesses...very anti-community. We have to acknowledged we differ in how we build community and learn to work within those parameters. Some prefer giving money to the government to let them build and care for a codependent community, while others prefer building community with their own money and control how they want their community to function.

A NBC poll is no more legitimate than it's audio tapes !!

I see a lot of stereotyping statements about the GOP. Granted, I have those feelings myself, but this article is about encouraging bipartisanship.

Bipartisanship means respect for opposite opinions. I agree that the GOP has a harder time with this--they seem to never admit to being wrong, regarding civil rights etc.--but at the same time a lot of posts here keep being derisive of 'head in the sand' Republicans. That does not bode well for the spirit of bipartisanship.

According to what I've observed from uncompromising positions in the Republican party, this study seems accurate, however.

If you don't have enough money ( personally) to pay your bills, what

do YOU do? Cut back on some things, or borrow more money??

If I feel I can increase my earnings potential thru training or higher education, then yes, I would borrow more money to pay for it.

Gil-2872519

An NBC poll is no more legitimate than it's video tapes !!

Absolutely true.

NBC wanted me to take part in this poll. If I said Republicans are bad, I got money. If I said Republicans are good, I got the tazer.

And that's how I'm on the internet today.

TPG.

Wealth accumulation should be positively correlated with how many people you bring along with you.

Couldn't say it better.

It's clearly evil for company "A" to ship production to a foreign country, save a boatload of money, then charge the same price to American buyers. Yet it happens all the time.

When Democrats proposed making the business expense of such production transfers non-deductible, Republicans fought it and won. This is a completely reasonable action from a government of a people--taxpayers should NOT fund, through a tax deduction, the offshoring of business production that puts it's own population out of work.

What I take from this poll is, the Republicans are considered the worst of the 3, but that all 3 were overly partisan. Neither party, nor the president was able to get over the 50% mark on this one...I don't think anyone should be happy with these results.

Moderate Republican's please take notice of the Christie Correlation: The farther a Republican distances themselves from far right idealogs, the higher their overall popularity and approval ratings rise.

Stop being held hostage by the Tea Party types!

Please go back to the policies of the Eisenhower Republicans who understood that "Free Market Capitalism" begins with Demand NOT Supply. Please work on bipartisan legislation designed to increase demand. Trickle Down doesn't work!

Tea Party Downgrade

Wealth accumulation should be positively correlated with how many people you bring along with you. The more wealth you accumulate for average Americans, the more income you can earn. Addresses inequality.

Are you kidding me?

I think it's awesome that I can claim the deduction for sending stuff to be made in Whateverstan for pennies on the dollar while I lay off my neighbor then complain about how my neighborhood is turning into a dump.

While I can concede the point that it is more profitable to make things overseas, the hard part that I am still curious to see is what it would cost us to regain our strong manufacturing base. Not just in terms of the investment and such, but the cost on the goods. What kind of markup would we see when we have to pay people a liveable wage in the US to produce these goods. Would the prices go up past the point of affordability?

I also wonder what it would do to income equality... if it would continue to make it worse or possibly drive it back in line with what it was when we had a strong manufacturing base.

I could probably also wonder about a bunch of other things that I don't think will happen while I'm at it.

The right thinks compromise is a swear word and will have none of it

Michigan - It could be a matter of perspective. A lot of the GOP's hard stance since Obama came to office has been on legislation coming from the DNC that are questionably constitutional. There is a high level of distrust. Much of it is frustration from dealing with an incompetent Presidential administration and working within a dysfunctional Congress. Washington is rampant with false accusations and Political posturing by both parties. The fact that there has been no budget passed since Obama came to office is a clear sign of lack of compromise and leadership by both sides.

Truth,

I think the problem is people on blogs! They have nothing to lose saying the most outrageous things!

I'm sure I have plenty of conservative friends. I just have learned not to talk about divisive topics with friends that I'd like to keep, and certainly not clients!

The handful of conservative friends that I do talk politics with respect my liberalism. I can defend it pretty well. Most of them can defend their positions too. It's perfectly fine for there to be a range of opinions!

I just don't think government really interferes in very much that any of us do. Do you? Really? How do the Feds affect you unless you're a mobster, meth dealer, or you legitimately sell pesticides or something? (and believe me, I want the government to control who is spraying pesticides around--some things should be well-regulated)

The important thing is that we ARE all part of a community that should be working together instead of just wasting our time blaming each other for....I don't even know what the point is...winning an election? After 9/11 I really got the sense that our nation had come together pretty well. Neighbors talked to each other more and looked out for one another. That still happens locally, but not among people who don't know each other. It should. I wish it did.

Cnorton (#1.94) You are demonstrating the problem with the right. You are so wrong that you don’t even have a clue how wrong you are.

Micro economics is nothing like macro economics. Only the truly ignorant think that they are the same. NO, it’s not just math and common sense. You’re talking about running a country with an incredibly complex and interwoven economy. NO, you can’t apply the same thinking as running a household.

You’re also woefully misinformed on the amount of our debt that China owns. Yes, it’s a large number, but it isn’t a huge percentage. It is far outweighed by the amount of debt held by people in the USA.

listen to me - well said.

Truth - at what point do you EVER post anything true? There has been NOTHING done for legislation that is even remotely unconstitutional. Bush/Cheney - another matter altogether!

The lack of leadership by Republicans is what is damaging our country and you are too ignorant or too bullheaded to admit it!

"It's clearly evil for company "A" to ship production to a foreign country, save a boatload of money, then charge the same price to American buyers. Yet it happens all the time".

And a large reason companies do that is because they were going broke defending themselves constantly in court against frivolous lawsuits brought on by "entitlement minded Americans" who we all know mostly vote left, the lawyers who make a living encouraging and help bring about these idiotic lawsuits also vote left, fighting the Unions and their ridiculous demands who are also left wing voters, and the constant cry of the left to raise the minimum wage for people performing the most minuscule of jobs instead of expecting those people to motivate themselves, educate themselves, and work their way up to higher paying, better positions. . Now, there's the unbelievably high cost of Obamacare for employers. Exactly what in the hell is the left doing to entice these businesses to stay within their borders? We're a Capitalist System. Rich people go where they can make money and they create jobs in the process. Stop rich people from making money and they stop building their businesses in your area and the jobs go with them. It's their money and they can spend it where they like. They don't owe anyone anything. Instead of constantly attacking these people and trying to figure out how to pickpocket them for having a nicer car than us, we need to recognize how badly we need them to spend their money here and create jobs here and the way to do that is offer them incentives to stay. The left just wants them to open their wallets and "let it rain". Here's a hint, they didn't get rich being stupid. Last mill that shut down around here went to Mexico because the damned Town Council tried to raise local taxes on them to fix their overspending problem. Result? Guy who owned the company stayed rich, and over 130 homes in the area foreclosed or went on the market as families left the area looking for work. 130 people and one industry now no longer paying ANYTHING to the town. Great job, huh? They really showed those rich folks and Republicans a thing or two!

Repo,

....Not just in terms of the investment and such, but the cost on the goods.

See, I think that's wrong. I don't think prices would go up. People will pay the market price. The offshoring craze has only been conducted to increase profit for the companies' owners (i.e. Wall Street). They couldn't increase price, so they had to find a way to cut cost. A nice tax deductible shipment of the production equipment to Mexico is just the trick. I literally saw this happen at a plant in Pacoima, California where Price-Pfister literally unbolted the machines from the shop floor and sent them to Mexico. If that's not evil I don't know what is. Ironically, most of the well-paid employees of that factory in California were formerly Mexicans.

Apple sells an iPad for $600. It costs $60 to make it in China. It would cost $110 to make it here. Their profit margin just goes down by $50. No difference in the sale price. This is where people get confused about economics. The sale price is what people will pay. You can't just directly "pass on" an increase in taxes or cost of production--they buyer has to agree with his wallet, and that's not guaranteed. Most cases the price of an American product would not be substantially more than one made elsewhere. The only time this is not true is for items like $4 hand-painted toys and things like that. ...Or McDonalds give-away toys. We can't do that as cheap as them.

Rick-3416939

Obama's line on spending cuts is that he will gladly cut next Tuesday for a tax increase today.

So tell us Rick, just what Obama is supposed to do unilaterally that would cut spending. What should he cut and how much? What would the impact of such cuts be? What is Congress' role in the whole thing? I know that Fascists hate our Constitution so I understand why someone would favor one man rule and not understand that Congress, not the president, makes the laws and controls the purse. Pesky little document that Constitution, right Rick. It was Dick Cheney who opined that the "Constitution is just a goddam piece of paper" and then set about to prove it. But any Fascist or Fascist wannabe would certainly agree witth former VP Cheney wouldn't they?

SmBusOwnerinNY

See, I think that's wrong. I don't think prices would go up. People will pay the market price.

Your example of an IPAD was one thing. I'm less on the idea of manufacturing high end (or even middle end) luxury goods but more back in the basic ideas. Tables. Chairs. That sort of thing. And although the lost of $50 profit doesn't sound like much, when it's per unit it adds up very fast. Would likely hurt a lot of investing class and Apple's stock were they to shift to stateside production. Now imagine several companies doing it. Profits would be lower and that might cut out necessary things that they would provide to stateside employees. Benefits, perks, pay -- who knows what they would trim to get the profitability back. That's one of the reasons I do wonder if the prices would change. If it would involve losing profit you know several companies would be absolutely against it.

I wonder what the price would be for basic manufacturing items in the US. We all know business is in it for profit, and I do know some would pay more to have it made in the USA.

But on lower cost items, these are the ones I'd expect to see a price increase on. So long as it is reasonable I would be willing to pay it. An IPAD and most electronics in general tend to have a very high markup. I'm not so sure what the markup would be on a kitchen table or a couch however.

I'm even more unsure of what the markup would be on cheap household items that already do not cost very much. Those are the ones I would expect to see the dramatic rise in price in.

Norton,

So much of all of that is just blather. It's only cheaper overseas because 1) they don't pay people a livable wage and 2) most foreign countries have free universal healthcare paid for by the government.

If we had free universal healthcare paid for by the government, no company would have that expense, and we'd be much more competitive.

Towns shutting down companies is BS. More often the existing population of towns float the "new employer" by giving huge tax BREAKS, pitting one town against the other for who can go lowest. There are plenty of companies that pay NO property taxes at all. As soon as the break runs out, they go shopping for a new sucker.

It's not a left-right issue really. I don't know why you feel you have to blame all of this "activity" on the "left."

I'd like to see you try to live on the minimum wage. Even if you made that money, you'd qualify for Earned income tax credits, food stamps and the rest. I'd prefer companies be forced to pay more so that we, the taxpayers don't have to cover those costs. Don't you think that's better?

I couldn't pay somebody minimum. It's ridiculous. You are a loser of an employer if you can't even pay your employees $15 for crying out loud. $15 is really cheap too.

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa, That is a good one MSNBC. If you tell a lie long enough the truth will get lost. You guys and your fake polling data sure takes the cake. Please tell me you are just a little embarrassed about your unrelenting Bull Sh-t stream that you guys keep spreading. Keep it up losers!!

michigan voter-546572

"Cnorton (#1.94) You are demonstrating the problem with the right. You are so wrong that you don’t even have a clue how wrong you are.

Micro economics is nothing like macro economics. Only the truly ignorant think that they are the same. NO, it’s not just math and common sense. You’re talking about running a country with an incredibly complex and interwoven economy. NO, you can’t apply the same thinking as running a household".

Of course it's more complex, but it doesn't make the basic core principles of balancing a budget, spending, and debt management obsolete. Quit trying to make it seem that way with the whole "it's too complicated for your feeble mind to understand" argument. You're not talking to someone who just makes a paycheck and pays the bills and has H and R Block do his taxes for him. Fact of the matter is, the Economic Policies that Obama and the Left are trying to implement have not, and never will have a successful track record anywhere in the world.... and the reason for that isn't too complex for your or even my own feeble little citizen mind.... it's because fundamentally, at it's core, the theory is FLAWED. That means, the basic math is wrong. Quit trying so hard to defend what you know is a flawed economic theory. If it's such a great theory... where are the positive results other than Crazy Uncle Joe telling me things are getting better? Really? I hadn't noticed. Things don't have to be complicated to work well. Take Reganomics for instance. The most simple economic plan in the world that it's core belief was "You got your ass in this mess, now get your ass out of it". Unbelieveably, once he removed the teat from our mouths, we started feeding ourselves again. Unbelieveable, huh? Remember, he isn't remembered for spending 8 years blaming Carter.

Repo,

Who knows really? We're all just speculating. I bought a DVD player for $80 a couple months ago. That's just ridiculously cheap. They probably couldn't do that in America.

If it would involve losing profit you know several companies would be absolutely against it.

Right, more like ALL of them. ....and I think this is the reason why it happened in the first place, and why it will be very hard to turn the other direction.

My company is lucky to make a unique product that allows me to control American made aspects and I'm not hammered on price to the point where I'd have to think about finding a $1 offshore option for a $2 part made here. I buy everything here. I even found a supplier that gets its power from their own wind turbine, so they're green too (that's the avatar picture there). Carbon-neutral American supplier. My own house is also power neutral with solar on the roof. It can be done economically

NBC/WSJ poll: Public says GOP less interested in unity than Obama is...

The usual biased rhetoric spewing from the controlled media... followed up by the usual 'first responders' who respond with their relentless, treasonous attacks against the gop & their country.

...emphasizing unifying the country or taking a partisan approach...

sure, as long as it fits their lop-sided agenda we can be friends, right? Thankfully, not everyone agrees with this party's approach to paying off our debts by spending more. But "what difference does it make?" Just take the pill we give you and wash it down with a large sugary drink.

The full NBC/WSJ poll -- which was conducted Feb. 21-24 of 1,000 adults...

Whom are these adults exactly? Where do they live? What educational level have they attained? A random sampling? Without an explanation of the criteria set forth in this so-called survey as well as whom the sampling involves it, the credibility is in question to begin with. Take it with a grain... just more propaganda from the left trying to establish their socialistic agendas.

Let the howls of skewed polling begin in 3...2...1...

Can I call them or WHAT? lol

The low information voters living in denial never fail to disappoint!

They're drawn like mosquitos to the bug zapper...

SmBus...., Its impossible to deny the liberal slant in the mainstream media (ABC, CBS, NBC), which affects how they cover the president, democrats in general, and the policies they create. Anyone who relies mostly on these sources for news will be spoon fed an account that is biased. Consequently public opinion reflects this bias, since few people take the time to look for the facts. All you have to do is look at the headlines and how they're worded to see the bias. If the shoe were on the other foot, a moderate to strong conservative bias in the major media, imagine how different the headline would look, how the story would change, how public perception would be 180 degrees from what it is. It was and always has been liberal policies that got the US into this mess. Conservatives were never the problem. I make a distinction be tween republicans and conservatives as many republicans are just as guilty as democrats for this mess. I'll give democrats credit, they got way out in front of the story in 2008 as to directing the electorate on who to blame. The media was right there with them all the way, it was all Bushs fault. The reality is, you need to go back all the way to LBJ's war on poverty, while undeniably noble in its goal, in reality has been an unmitigated, colossal, FAILURE by any and every measure. Since its inception in the 60's, $17 Trillion dollars have been wasted on handouts, that have only enabled people to survive, living off productive people, killing incentive in those on the receiving end. Prior to LBJ's WOP, one of the FASTEST growing segments of our society was the BLACK MIDDLE CLASS! How have they done since then? Its criminal.

so i see that the feisty one has taken another shot. in the recent past he/she has made fun of those with disease (alcoholism), those of east indian decent (rat) and today those with disabilities (deaf, mute, blind). it appears as though there is no limit on what he/she will say to advance a liberal agenda.

but i suppose most will just say she was only joking

"Towns shutting down companies is BS. More often the existing population of towns float the "new employer" by giving huge tax BREAKS, pitting one town against the other for who can go lowest. There are plenty of companies that pay NO property taxes at all..."

BS? Really? Research what happened to Laurinburg, NC after Abbott Industries shut down and left. Also research why they left.

Also, I do pay skilled workers $15 an hour and even more..... even in a low cost of living area such as this one. Some make close to $30. I don't, however, pay the guy who scrubs the toilet anywhere near that.... or anyone who's too lazy to even go back and get a high school diploma in their spare time before asking for more money.

SmBusOwnerinNY

Who knows really? We're all just speculating. I bought a DVD player for $80 a couple months ago. That's just ridiculously cheap. They probably couldn't do that in America.

This is more of the thing I keep looking at. Even if we could, would we? If we could, what do we give up for it?

It must be nice to be in that sort of business when you have the option of "I'd prefer to have my workers here, and the product I make supports that I can do that without a large loss of profit." I work in finance and it's excessively rare to see someone on that side of the decision.

Quitting time so I'm going to vanish from the board, but I have to say: Fun conversation, SBO-NY. Nice to see civil going on even if I am doing a little bit of baiting for a reaction. Have a pleasant day.

Norton,

Take Reganomics for instance. The most simple economic plan in the world that it's core belief was "You got your ass in this mess, now get your ass out of it". Unbelieveably, once he removed the teat from our mouths, we started feeding ourselves again. Unbelieveable, huh? Remember, he isn't remembered for spending 8 years blaming Carter.

Are you crazy? Reagan got us to start feeding ourselves????

You do realize that Reagan STARTED the financial problem we are now in, right?

He is the one who OFFERED the TEAT, giving away tax cuts, yet spending like a drunken sailor. He and Bush I nearly QUADRUPLED the national debt.

Our national debt in 1980, under Carter, was 30% of GDP and $1Trillion. After Bush I it was $3.8Trillon and 60% of GDP. Obama has increased the debt merely 60% compared to 380%.

REAGAN was the worst. Obama as a spender PALES in comparison to the Damage of Reagan.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

it's so funny watching all of the extremists argue on this site. no seriously, tell me more about how the other party is 100% at fault and it's not 50-50. if the senate has a democratic majority and the house has a republican majority, and it takes both chambers to pass a plan, then how is it 100% the other party's fault?

they are gridlocked, not because one wants to block all of the other party's plans just because they are the other party, but because they are mostly extremists themselves and truly don't like any part of the other party's plans.

i hate sheep like most of these commenters and paid msn trolls (you truly expect me to believe that somehow feisty or pigotry manage to be the first comment on every political story to get the ball rolling and that just happens by coincidence?). and i wonder how many of you actually read the articles. i know i don't, why read "news" when you can read news.

Now slow down "Small bus rider" Go to your local mary jane store and get some more medicine and find your happy place.

I see the same lame arguments here the President presented...yet no one is calling for a balanced budget...you know one where revenue matches expenses. All I hear is the whining of those who have never had to be responsible for a budget. Let me know when we elect some adults to the nations top political offices.

Next

You said "who'd you poll LibsRus or DDI" that implies you didn't believe the numbers.

not about Oblamo...about this headline. I wouldnt be surprised if the illustrious journalist did poll the treehouse klan

hardtostarboard,

I actually think the media is moderate at best, and it's arguable they lean a little right. So there, I don't think it's "impossible to deny" a liberal slant at all. Sure, MSNBC goes left, sure, but not farther left than Fox goes right.

In any event, how would the headline, or the facts of this article change if somebody else was reporting it?

How do you figure "liberal policies" got us into "this" mess? Which mess? The mess that Republicans and Democrats can't get along? The financial "crisis" that we're in? I don't think the blame can be placed directly on either of them. I think it is clear where the financial problems started, and it aint with the liberals, my friend. I'll post the same link I just did on the debt issue this country has. I'll tell you this: it wasn't Carter and it wasn't Clinton, and by the time Obama arrived, the cat was out of the bag and a 1/4 mile down the road.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Norton,

You say Abbott. I say anecdote.

Quick Google search says according to Abbott Spokesperson: "...in order to adapt to continuing cost pressure in a worldwide market." If Abbott blamed it on the town, I would thing they'd say so.

smbusownerinny, what?

cnn is to the left as fox is to the right. msnbc is very far to the left. have you even read the stories on this site? they are definitely written to evoke the views of the extreme liberal crowd, like feisty and pigotry.

The low information voters living in denial never fail to disappoint!

Hey fiesty Troll watch this video of some well informed libtards like yourself!!!!

Yeah, Richard C, it's all about me smokin' dope, that's it. Well thought out.

CA, as I said before, if you don't believe the numbers (or believe in numbers), it doesn't matter to the rest of us. We live in the fact-based world. Even if you add or subtract 5 or 10 points from these numbers, they say the same thing. America thinks the Republicans are more interested in party over cooperation, buy a wide margin. It just is. Take off the denial cloak. It stopped working last fall.

Panda...

CNN as far left as Fox is right?

That doesn't even deserve a response. Wolf Blitzer is a leftie?

As for NBC, you're telling me Chuck Todd is some kind of commie?

You're in the bubble, my friend.

For 500,000.00 you can buy your way into the white house and get yourself a tax break.

in the real world this is called a bribe

Seriously, this is news? When 47% of America won't pay taxes, how else do you think the nations lazy are going to think of the ONE political party that wants a strong middle class? They are all behind the party that promises free stuff without having to work for it... the Demoncrats are not stupid, they KNOW that there are 47% of Americans that will vote the way they want as long as they don't have to work. It's sad, but true. Most of those on this tread are part of that 47%... why else would they support BHO?

smbusownerinny,

you named one person from each network and then tried to make them out to be the ONLY voice for that network. i'm sorry to say but judging from all of your comments, you are one of the extremists i was talking about in a previous post who doesn't even realize the network he trusts is far leaning. that's one of the reasons why msnbc gets destroyed in the ratings vs fox and cnn. everyone else sees their extreme approach to their articles, but i'm the one in a bubble? and yes there is a liberal slant in the news.

SmBusOwnerinNY: Barry won because of the hate and fear he spewed and the only ones who voted for Barry are one issue voters. Threaten abortion-get the women's vote (even though Roe v Wade will not be reversed in out lifetime), want the gay vote support gay marriage, convince the working people, Republicans are rich white guys-get everyone who hates their boss and thinks they deserve more of the company profits doesn't matter that the boss has more education, makes more $$ for the business (just want every one's equal: socialism) , pander the dream act and support illegals-get the Hispanic vote, approve more welfare get the welfare vote. Sickening on every level. I feel so detached from Washington--politicians are going to do what they have to to keep their jobs doesn't matter about the debt or anything else.

CNORTON

michigan voter-546572

"Cnorton (#1.94) You are demonstrating the problem with the right. You are so wrong that you don’t even have a clue how wrong you are.

Micro economics is nothing like macro economics. Only the truly ignorant think that they are the same. NO, it’s not just math and common sense. You’re talking about running a country with an incredibly complex and interwoven economy. NO, you can’t apply the same thinking as running a household".

Of course it's more complex, but it doesn't make the basic core principles of balancing a budget, spending, and debt management obsolete. Quit trying to make it seem that way with the whole "it's too complicated for your feeble mind to understand" argument. You're not talking to someone who just makes a paycheck and pays the bills and has H and R Block do his taxes for him.

What you fail to realize is that debt service, balanced budgets, and all that have their limits. Macro and microeconomics aren't just "a little more complex": they are two different fields in the study of economics. The variables and incentives that exist in microeconomics do not fit snugly into macroeconomics; a balanced budget is worthless if your economy is going to hell. In fact, unless you built up a large surplus beforehand, you cannot have a balanced budget in a recession. Balanced budgets can and should exist only when it is good to have one; cutting spending and raising taxes in an economy with near 8% unemployment is stupid.

Fact of the matter is, the Economic Policies that Obama and the Left are trying to implement have not, and never will have a successful track record anywhere in the world.... and the reason for that isn't too complex for your or even my own feeble little citizen mind.... it's because fundamentally, at it's core, the theory is FLAWED. That means, the basic math is wrong. Quit trying so hard to defend what you know is a flawed economic theory. If it's such a great theory... where are the positive results other than Crazy Uncle Joe telling me things are getting better? Really? I hadn't noticed. Things don't have to be complicated to work well.

Actually, you are 100% dead-wrong. Now, minding all the stuff your generation learned during the Cold War and saw when the Berlin Wall (and Stalinist Communism as a whole) came crashing down, the policies of the Left DO work. The problem with what most people think about socialism (the Soviet Union, North Korea, Maoist China, etc) is that that wasn't real socialism; that was a bastardized and elitist version of socialism. Real socialism is everyone enjoying the fruits of their labor and being equal in the eyes of society. Pure socialism does have fundamental flaws, but so does pure capitalism. Neither are perfect; socialism lacks the benefits of competition and innovation, while unfettered capitalism causes economic inequality, overproduction-based recessions, and the natural tendency of businesses to grow and later form monopolies. You have to fuse them together to have a sustainable economic system. There are actually 3 types of "Leftist" thinking: the Ancient Left, the Medieval Left, and the Modern Left. The Ancient Left is old-school leftists: utopia socialists, pre-Marx socialists, and (in America) the abolitionists. The Medieval Left is of the Industrial and early Modern Ages: Marxian socialists, communists, Bolsheviks, labor unions, and Roosevelt-Progressives. They are the moderately old-school leftists. The Modern Left is essentially everyone left-of-center starting in the mid 1930s: Stalinists, Maoists, Leninists, Trotskyites (although they were more orthodox), Progressives, New Deal Democrats, and Keynesian adherents.

And FYI, there was an example of where the Modern Left's policies worked. It was right here in America, right after World War II. We were a sprawling middle-class nation, one where prosperity was broad-based, where education was cheap and top-notch, and where anyone could make it big. That America ran on what you would call "socialism," but they were not pure socialists. That is because they KNEW what socialism was; they had seen it up front. Your generation didn't, and unfortunately mine will have to rely on yours for that definition. America had big government programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, government subsidies for manufacturing, education grants, investment in roads and bridges, and R&D. We decided to adopt the better parts of socialism, mix them with capitalism, and then beat the Russians at their own game. America was once red with socialism, my dear Norton, but we mixed it with blue capitalism and made it purple.

Take Reganomics for instance. The most simple economic plan in the world that it's core belief was "You got your ass in this mess, now get your ass out of it". Unbelieveably, once he removed the teat from our mouths, we started feeding ourselves again. Unbelieveable, huh? Remember, he isn't remembered for spending 8 years blaming Carter.

That is nothing but pure bull@!$%#; Reaganomics was much more than "get your ass out of [your mess]." Reagan cut taxes and spent like a king, tripling our national debt and eventually having to raise taxes in order to reduce the costs of his tax cuts and spending. He blew up the size of government and eliminated whatever deficit-reduction Carter had achieved. And all that @!$%# about tax cuts and deregulation did SQUAT; after the Reagan years we headed into a recession in the late 80s and early 90s because the Reagan boom had been supported by credit cards and speculation which eventually went bust. Millions of Americans SUFFERED after the Reagan bubble popped, all because his policies did nothing but blow up private debt and incentivized gimmicks and speculation in Wall Street, which eventually culminated in the 2009 crisis. Reaganomics did not work then and it sure as hell won't work now; Bill Clinton ran on that in 1992 and the American people believed him.

As always Freshieee, your posts are great.

...but according to Panda there, I'm one of the extremists, so I'm not sure what it's worth to hear that from me ;- )

SmBusOwnerinNY

Panda...

CNN as far left as Fox is right?

That doesn't even deserve a response. Wolf Blitzer is a leftie?

As for NBC, you're telling me Chuck Todd is some kind of commie?

Wolf Blitzer is on the left , like Geraldo is on the right.

Left wingers in CNN

Anderson Cooper

Pierce Morgan

Erin Burnett

Candy Crowley

Christiane Amanpour

Donna Brazile

Having Rev. Al Sharpton , Van Jones and Rachel Madow in the MSNBC pay roll , it tells how radical is this left wing media..

LOL

64 percent say the Republican Party is taking a partisan approach, versus 22 percent who say it's focused on unity.

Wow; you see those polls where 11% think Clowngress is doing a good job - then you see these numbers and realize with 22%, they must have been recruiting.... or maybe voting twice - quick, somebody check their ID's!

I know now why the GOP is so against banning large ammo clips and assault weapons - at the rate these guys are shooting themselves in the foot, it takes some serious firepower to keep up.

Oskar,

MSNBC doesn't call itself NEWS, it's called "The Place for Politics" so having Rachel Maddow and Al Sharpton is like having mike Huckabee and Hannity, except Fox calls itself NEWS.

CNN left wingers? Wolf Blitzer? You're joking. Candy Crowley? None of those CNN People are partisan except Donna Brazil. You're out of your mind.

i guess smbusownerinny hasn't heard candy crowley ever speak, or read anything by her, or saw her in the debate spoon feeding the president. the bus owner must be talking about another candy crowley, because he/she/it sure isn't talking about the one from cnn. just keep being the good little lemming msnbc has made you out to be. it's no wonder you're easily confused by their political leanings, you're exactly what they pander to.

If a majority of 1,000 folks thnk Mr. "Drama" Obama is bipartisan, the poll must have been taken in Washington State and Colorado after the responders smoked some pot.

None of the people polled were from Cali, Wisconsin, or Illinois....otherwise it would have been a slam dunk 100% love and approval.

Chris Matthews must be having a wet dream right now.

Candy Crowley calls Romney on a lie, corrects a fact, and she's a liberal shill?

You guys just know what reality is.

This is just frightening.

You must be one of the guys in the Milgram experiment that kept on shocking the guy until the "subject" was dead.

The WSJ/NBC poll is for the sole purpose of promoting the Obama agenda and obviously the agenda of the WSJ and NBC. With the drop of the Obama approval ratings, it's surprising that the poll was even published.

It was interesting to note that the highest percentage of folks polled were those with more than $100,000+ incomes per household.

These folks are doing quite well under the failed policies of this administration and are staunch Obama supporters. They also tend to favor the agenda of the pollster.

Will NBC ever resort to reporting the news and refrain from their present ambitions of promoting a president that has been a complete failure.

The WSJ/NBC poll is for the sole purpose of promoting the Obama agenda and obviously the agenda of the WSJ and NBC. With the drop of the Obama approval ratings, it's surprising that the poll was even published.

Just a quick question: does Alcoa make weekly or bi-weekly deliveries directly to your house? With that kink of paranoia, it's unlikely any local store could keep up the amount of tin foil you must go through.

This all goes back to the GOP debt clock hanging in the Reagan library !!!

smbusownerinNY 1.70

I mention people such as yourself in my post and your post most certainly exemplifies your "buy in", the most likely reason being that Obama's BS is exactly what you want to hear, and little else (such as the truth) matters.

.. and nobody has played this hand as well as (and certainly not better than) the President. His crew has raised "political marketing" to the level of an "art-form". At this point, they have no historical "peer", in my humble opinion. Now, if he just get the job done, within the next two years, his reputation and his place in history, his "hope"-ed for legacy, will be assured, for posterity, and for all-time to come. Go "Team Obama", go! Stay the course y'all, and "git 'er done!"

His crew has raised "political marketing" to the level of an "art-form".

I couldn't agree more. Americans are nothing more than the "Props" in their "Art-form". But the "games" the DNC and GOP are playing in Washington have real life casualties outside of their glass bubbles, and they just don't get it.

The unity we see each day is the unity we have. I don't see the President as affecting unity in a positive way. He preaches to the choir, which reaffirms the support of the choir for the President. I'm Democrat, but I have many friends of all kinds and what I see is our President alienates Republicans every time he opens his mouth all the while emboldening his base. Is this unifying?

Liberals may resent overtures by the President towards the right. It puts the President in a pickle.

Thank you Scott for a very informed opinion. The President should be doing what he can to unify rather than alienate.

Think and Scott - hard to unify when the opposing party has said they will block EVERYTHING you attempt to do to make you fail. Yeah! The glorious idiots that are Republicans in Congress!

Maybe I missed it, but I would at least like a link to see the polling data. I'm indifferent either way, the two parties are just going to different lengths to gain more power and control, but this poll appears to be forcing out numbers only because it meets an agenda.

What does he say that alienates republicans, scott? Gun issues, gay issues, a balanced tax and cut idea? Equal pay for women? What in particular is ticking off the republicans?

Part of the Reason is because the Press is not being HONEST with the Public on How Destructive the GOP/TEA is being with the Economy to SPITE President Obama.

The Press likes to use the term "BOTH SIDES", which in my opinion is a BLATANT dishonesty by the Press when it comes to informing the Public on these Important Issues that Threaten the very Economy of this Country. They have stop ILLUMINATING and informing. INSTEAD they SENSATIONALIZE and call these issues like a Spectator Sport and mis-informing the Public on the GOP/TEA OBSTRUCTION.

The Press also seems to feel they have to say something NEGATIVE about President Obama to shore up the GOP/TEA Propaganda that it is the President causing the Problems, when he went to Washington to bring back Bi-partisanship. All he has gotten from the GOP/TEA is COAL IN HIS STOCKING and the Press knows that.

chucky b....you betcha especially when the majority of the public support your agenda as election after election proves. When your side has to resort to gerrymandering voting districts to win does that tell you something. I"d say that is proof whose intentions are Communist and whose are pro-Democracy. Democratic intentions include the many Communist are an elitist group who calls all the shots the party of greed and power. The devil pure and simple.

I'm sorry you don't see the forest for the trees Sanity, but there have been bills sent up for review, but the have quietly died rather than reworked and sent a Conference Committee. Its the way our Congress works. Either the House or the Senate can propose a bill and send it to the other. The other takes the bill reworks it to their liking and then sends it to a Conference Committee to iron out the differences and then send it to the President for signature or Veto. It's worked well for years, but when the House sends budgets to the Senate the Senate doesn't act, it's a stall. Sadly, the Senate won't even send a budget bill to the House for work.

NBC/WSJ poll?? BBBBBWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA they only poll the lazy jerks on the taxpayer funded freebies. The real educated, non ignorant voters would spit on them.

Personally, I don't care what party the President belongs to, as long as he works for the American public. I feel that President Obama has been a much better choice than either of the candidates the Republicans put up against him. What the Republicans have to learn is that if they only field candidates that appeal to their extreme base, they will stay out of touch with the majority of voters.

Dotties girl ....

The real educated, non ignorant voters would spit on them.

Guessing that is a summation of yourself? You go around spitting on people? Aren't you the classy little act!

Think: Sadly, the Senate won't even send a budget bill to the House for work.

This is theoretically and constitutionally how things should work. And the Senate HAS sent budgets to the House. Unfortunately, when the House changes the President's or the Senate's budget radically, so that it scarcely resembles the original, there cannot be agreement. That's not compromise, that's bullying.

Dotties girl - again, Dottie must be mortified that you are hers. Your ignorance is beyond belief and yet you post it for all to see. And, class - well, you have absolutely none as your post shows.

Truth does not believe in statistics

Perhaps because he/she doesn't understand it.

Which is fine, but then his/her opinion is worthless.

This is somewhat comical. Let's see, the hugely biased liberal media spews this stuff 24/7. If anyone dare says anything anti-liberal you're deemed not caring, not unifying, etc...What a f'ing joke.

Our embarrassment of a President is campaigning once again for some reason and doing nothing but preaching his fear mongering b.s.

I haven't heard one word uttered from his mouth regarding a budget proposal. He's in his pathetic 2nd term and not one budget proposal. All he wants to do is spend and not cut. How is that not an issue with idiotic liberals. Just keep taxing, borrowing and spending. When does the word CUT come into play?

They don't have to make drastic cuts right away on the defense side, but he's saying this for political points and convincing those that Kerry calls stupid in believing his lies. How about directing cuts at things that should be cut.

I don't think the article said how many registered Republicans were called for this goofy poll.

What I think is sad is the Demoncrats are putting down the Republican party for doing EXACTLY what they were doing in the Bush administration. Boo hoo...

Barry and his gang had both house and senate and did nothing...

Now they're trying to blame all of America's troubles on the Republicans... BHO is the leader, it falls squarely on his shoulders. A real leader would accept that and take responsibility. THAT'S the problem with this guy, he's no leader.. he's ONLY a community activist.

And to the 47%ers and Demoncrats that voted him in... nice job f'n up the US of A...

Ursula, we can only hope that the right keeps its head buried in the sand and continues to deny the change in the country that kept them out of the WH this past election.

God forbid they actually pay attention to the majority of the country. It's worked out so well for them so far.

You know that the WSJ is owned by Rupert Murcoch....right?

It doesn't matter, Sam. Republicans rationalize away polls that don't suit their purpose.

I don't know anyone who could get through the day without two or three juicy rationalizations. They're more important than sex.

Awww, hell Ursula, Republicans(the leadership, anyway) don't even pay attention to polls. That was more than evident in this last presidential election. I actually found it quite amusing!

I think the Republicans should be proud of this poll. No one should be interested in unity with the party of hate and discontent (Democrats)...just read this message board to see why.

Ursula, one of your 'non-Gallup, non-Rasmussen' exit polls with followup showed that the average Oblama voter had an IQ 28 points lower than the Romney voter.

Maybe you and your left-leaning group better take off your 'rose-colored' glasses.

sure thing, middle buddy - come on over to the Democratic side, you know we party better.

in the middle, yea, right, that's it; conservative posters never say anything hateful or nasty, they're just all full of love and peace on this board. And in Congress, it's the GOPers who never say a mean word about President Obama, never call him a socialist or communist, compare him to Hitler, yell "You Lie", or demand his birth certificate.

LOL Middle America Man! You should totally join the Libtard party fest on Friday's "The Week Ahead". Oh, the fun times we have! The "drinks" are flowing, the jukebox is blaring out the favorites, and much teasing and laughter to be had! All happy people are welcome. I know there must be some happy Republicans out there somewhere! As I said, all are welcome. I will "buy" the first round!

I wonder how most Republicans feel about their party-I know there are intelligent, reasonable Republicans-Megan McCain (John McCain's daughter) wrote a book and I thought to myself as I was reading it "Now here is the kind of Republican I could work with" (You should read what she says about Sarah Palin LOL) Perhaps the future of the G.O.P will depend on a new generation- I truly believe that WE THE PEOPLE need a balance between liberal & conservative......................

in the middle - you're clearly in the middle of denial - wow! Just when you think the Republicans can't get any dumber someone like you comes along and proves us wrong!

Thank you Peace-3229398. I didn't vote for Obama, I voted against the Republican Party that needs to kick the Klan and their Christian Taliban folks out of it. Good news and bad news today, lots of GOP leaders file a brief with the Supreme Court supporing gay marriage but at the same time Cristie isn't invited to talk at the conservative get together. We need to cut expenditures deeply, we need to raise taxes, and we need to reform govt, there is no more money. Right now we have no leaders.

Oh kiss my azz Seeking Sanity, you are no different than the tea party, calling everybody names that don't agree with you. I imagine you are about 19 in your second year of school so you don't remember when the Dems went so far to the left they couldn't win a national election. Frigging parasite, still have not contributed a single positive thing to society.

Peace - actually Megan McCain has said she might pull out of the GOP and become an Independent because of the Republican party being so divisive.

hjack

"Ursula, one of your 'non-Gallup, non-Rasmussen' exit polls with followup showed that the average Oblama voter had an IQ 28 points lower than the Romney voter.

Maybe you and your left-leaning group better take off your 'rose-colored' glasses."

Gotta call BULL$hit on this one... Because that would put 2/3 of us into negative territory!

I think the repugnican sequester is going to reduce production at your rose-colored glasses factory so you better load up the clown car and get 'em while they're HOT!!!

DM57 - sorry Charlie - graduated with honors both from HS and undergrad. Then was in the top of my group in Grad School. So, again, you lose. But, we expect no better from you and your ilk!

And, I contribute every day to society - both at work and in volunteer projects. I'm pretty darned sure I do much more than you'll ever do!

DM: I totally agree......I would respect and admire any human being who could UNITE the G.O.P. (LOL) Besides-I believe that the majority of WE THE PEOPLE actually agree about some things-none of us want people abusing social service programs and we all want to help our fellow Americans who have fallen on hard times (through no fault of their own need) and need a little help with food and bills. Most of us are up to here with violent criminals, rogue cops, and dishonest politicians who take bribes. No matter what party we belong to I believe that most of WE THE PEOPLE sincerely love our country and are grateful for our freedoms..........

JODY IOWA are you serious? You do realize that socialist and communist are not name calling correct. You do realize those are political ideologies.

Deven, do you understand the difference between labeling someone based on their political ideology and calling someone a name because you disagree with them? Are YOU serious?

BM57, Wow look at you! Your only take is to call Seeking Sanity name's! You are nothing but a self righteous hypocrite! Stand up there on your soap box and accuse people of doing nothing but call other people names when that's exactly what you do. Read your own post!! You people make me want to puke!!

Sanity: Please STFU with your liberal spin. I guess you don't think Obama is divisive by traveling the country and slamming anyone who doesn't agree with his liberal policies. How is that unifying?

@ richard

What fine remedies does Seeking ever provide? I've asked her questions numerous times. Respectfully too. Never an answer. Have you seen one thing on this thread where she has offered anything? Well accept to agree with everything that feisty, bev, amy or AG. If it is in the least bit against what this president wants she will attack by calling names, or grading their IQ. Its' effin hilarious at best

Divided We Government...that's the constitutional system of separation of powers. The GOP House can do that.

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But obviously I agree with you...and in the end the GOP reaps what it sows (divisiveness, that is), and will be punished more by voters...starting November 2014. If the GOP doesn't change its behavior soon (it looks like the GOP won't), the GOP is well on its way to become a minority for a long time.

Correction:

it's Divided We Govern

Me so sorry, Oink.

;-p

Pigotry - you need a "proof" pigster! I'll check to see if Frist Read has one, but I really don't think that they employ one, judging by some of the mistakes I see in their columns, hehehe

Well, I see Lil Michelee - queen of the one-liners is again back - with absolutely NOTHING to add - as usual. Don't you tire of being irrelevant? Oh, wait, you're a Republican so being irrelevant is what you do best!

I'm libertarian, Seeking... and you're independent, right?

if by reaping you mean they get what the get because they do not blame others for your failures then yes you are correct the GOP stand up for what they say and do not say "WAH IT IS THE DEMOCRATS FAULTS WAH"

your "master" is the one obstructing. Race cards, war on women, class warfare, and blame game is all Barry knows. But you and your buddies that are lounging on the taxpayer dime don't care as long as you don't have to be responsible and accountable. YOU are what is wrong with this country -- try contributing and get back to me boy.

Dotties girl - liberals don't have a master. If you saw Lincoln, you'd know that problem was solved long ago. Wow - bet Dottie is STILL disappointed!

I'm libertarian,

Is that your story today? Funny because only last month you were a liberal!

One things is constant with your bull@!$%#, you're a certifiable serial liar!

Lil Michelle

As a liberal, and semi intelligent person (ok, quit laughing) I really don't see how any of the mandates on gun control would have stopped the horrible Sandy Hook massacre.

#1.23 - Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:51 AM CST

I am liberal Feisty. your point?

your point?

You are one severely confused individual...

Tends to happen to those who tell so many lies, sooner or later their stories get mixed up.

Feisty - it would be amusing to see how quickly Lil Michelle changes - except it isn't. Boring stuff!

There goes the red headed chick again.. using inflammitory language and getting away with it... she's go to be an MSN plant.

What's this ..trouble in liberal land ?? What a shock.

Exactly! Like invading Iraq for no valid reason, right??

Oh wait you said Obama, my bad.

Obama lies... Which Marxist plans are those?

Stephen, don't forget the unfunded tax breaks and the unfunded Medicare Part D.

Not a peep back then...

Seems like an odd description of the guy who saved the economy from robber-baron conservatives. All I know is that for the past several decades, Republicans damage my investments while democrats restore them. Don't need no lying conservatives to tell me about my personal reality. Pleeeease, keep the corporate weasels out of political office, and give me liberals every election.

The sequester cuts will impact scientific research into cures for Alzheimer's, cancer and even the flu. The NIH says they are close to creating a universal vaccine for influenza, which will save billions in health care costs, but the sequester cuts will delay its development.

Talk about shortsighted.The same is true of other cuts - what we save in money now will hurt us later. Cutting government jobs associated with the military will have a ripple effect in local economies. This is why we bailed out the auto companies - to save the industry but also related jobs in the surrounding region.

Assuming you know the definition of marxism, can you tell us what the President has said or done that fits that definition? Otherwise, I'd have to believe that you've ingested way too much BS from right wing talk radio and Faux News.

Obama Lies - - I wish you idiots had a clue what a Marxist is! If he is a Marxist and he was elected by a majority, than you need somewhere to hide from all of us commies, we are comin for you.

LOOK OUT! There is a commie liberal right behind you and another one just to your left, OH MY GOD THEY ARE EVERYWHERE AHHH!

Move to that free country, that does not tax you or ever ask you to pitch in a dime for anyone else but your self. There must be thousands of countries that have more freedom than we have now that we have a King in charge.

All sarcasm aside, please Obama Lies go away, far away; I just cannot take the damn stupidity any longer.

Bill, do you even know what Conservatives stand for? and why? Have you ever thought about the effects of a free market society versus the effects of a government controlled society?

I don't see how it's possible one can vote for more government intervention if one has a clue about what he or she is talking about. Quit drinking the koolaid.

I'm pretty sure the current (cut) tax rates were supposed to be temporary...and were just extended year after year after year. And the corporate tax loopholes were supposed to incentivize businesses to grow, not allow executives to use them to increase their own personal investments. Ending the tax cuts will be felt by everyone. But given the current state of the economy, doesn't it make sense to end them gradually? Starting with the class that can most afford it? I get it, starting a business and making it successful is hard work, and serves the community at large. Isn't supporting your country also citizen's responsibility? A wealthy person may still live a luxurious lifestyle at the new rates, is that really so bad? Most of us in the middle will never get close, and will work just as hard (if not harder) for it.

"Isn't supporting your country also citizen's responsibility?"

This implies the government is the master...the citizen the slave.

I'll argue this country is the People. Government of, for and by the people.

Hey slackers - Don't let the sequester happen, just sign the back of your federal issued check and send it back to Uncle Sam! We should have plenty of money that way!
Also, you won't feel like a leech living off of the government! See how good that makes you feel!

I LOVE your avatar picture! Last time I was on here, wasn't someone speculating you are a dude?

Yes, I'm sure they are talking about my hubby, who refuses to even come back on here! BTW, that pic is not me, how I wish!! I should say, how my hubby wishes!

TJefferson, well I have a much better grasp of what Conservatives stand for than you do; and clearly, a better grasp of the free-market system we have. There are NO pure, capitalist democracies in this world. Since its founding, this country has been a mix of free-market capitalism and public socialism. My opinion judging from your posts is that TJefferson is the one who lacks a good grasp on the reality that is, and always has been, our Government.

... hey, let's chalk one up for "TJefferson"! You are absolutely, "TJ"! And that's both how and why Barack Obama is still President of these United States of America. The system works, buddy! And it works despite, and in the face of, all of "the right's" best efforts to subvert and circumvent it, during the last election. Let's hear it for the democracy folks, the "founding fathers", our beloved Constitution, patriotism, "manifest destiny". "mother love", "the Cleavers" and "apple pie".... Hold it down folks, curb your enthusiasm a minute; I can't quite hear "TJefferson" cheering! You are still there, with us... "right", buddy? Have a nice "four more years, my friend". You and those like you have spent the last 400 years earning this. And folks like me don't want you to miss a single "hate-filled" minute of it. Oh, and by the way, "TJ", next time ask me... I know what "conservatives stand for, and why..."

um, we don't live in a democracy Yoda. NEXT!!

Jefferson--so are you suggesting either a) parents should not support their children, or b) parents should support their children because the children are "the master" and parents are "slaves"? While I'm sure some parents feel that way sometimes, such a simplistic claim is pretty silly and meaningless.

And Melvin--your calm reasonableness has no place in this discussion! Begone! :)

Middle America Man - Lil Michelle IS a man or a transvestite. He admitted to being male a couple of weeks ago. Funny, now he decides to lie. What a total joke he is - but a PERFECT loser Republican.

I did Seeking? huh, that is funny!

And Seeking claims to be independent, for some reason...

TJJefferson - I used to know what a conservative was, but, that has changed big time over the last 10 years. I also know the difference between a " free market society" and a government controlled society.

In case you don't know, and, it sounds as though you do not. We do live in a "free market society" or at least as close as it gets in the year 2013.

In this society your are responsible for what you sell, which means government regulations might stop you from doing things that would or could harm your fellow citizens just to make a dollar. I have heard the argument that a market based economy would weed out the wrong doers, because customers whould choose to shop around for quality merchandise that are both safe and made to last and yet automobiles are constantly being recalled for unsafe, or parts that are not working. That is only one example of a "free market" that could kill you if it was not for the safety regulations put on them by government.

If Regan, Bush I, Bush II, Nixon & Eisenhower (conservative republicans), represented conservative small governments, than why did spending go up under everyone of them except Eisenhower and even he spent billions on the interstate system? That was government creating jobs not the free market.

If the free market worked so well, than tell me please how come coporations are hoarding their profits rather than investing them in this country? Tell me how is that "free market" helping the country right now?

Michelle, Actually, we live in a representative Democracy. I won't waste my time trying to explain it for you. If you care, look it up. but then that would expose you to something you've never been too comfortable with..... facts.

Lil Michelle .... Seeking is 100% correct. I wonder if your avatar wasn't of a porn star if you'd ever be responded to?

Layton - he did admit to being a dude, right? Isn't it funny now it's all changed???? And, yes, the avatar is the only reason the guys respond to him. All he does is one-liners - nothing more.

Snowing like crazy here! We're closing up now but I have a client coming in - apparently lost his mind - so I'll be here later! Oh well, it IS February!

Thanks for understanding John Bryant! I will try to keep up...

And seeking, what I did say was "Did I say I was a woman?" What I didn't say was "I'm a dude"

See the difference?

NEXT!

Lil Michelle - no you actually said you were a guy - you just use the avatar because you like her. Try again.

I'm sure you have proof there Seeking, right?

... do you even know what Conservatives stand for? and why? Have you ever thought about the effects of a free market society versus the effects of a government controlled society?

Hell, Republicans don't even know what they stand for anymore.

They are all about free markets. Unless, of course, you talk about oil company subsidies, then it is vital that they continue to have them so that the country maintains its supply of oil. But not ALL oil companies - the biggest and most profitable oil companies get breaks the little ones don't, because, uh, because of free markets?

They are all about the Constitution. Unless, of course, you talk about the 1st Amendment, then it is vital that pornography be eliminated, that the news media be regulated and journalists be licensed (especially those that disagree with Republicans) and, of course, anything that touches on "national security" (as they define it) should be suppressed no matter what the 1st Amendment says.

They are all about individual liberty and personal responsibility. Unless, of course, you are talking about abortion, homosexuality, marijuana use or prostitution, then it is vital that the state forbid these things to promote "family values" (as they define them).

@ lil

Apparently not

YUS

not much thing better than that really

Now I know why they are called "low information voters"

16.3 ... You've been upgraded for your rapier wit!!!

Lil Michelle - no we call you low information voters because you, well, you are!

Hows that circus looking that Ringling Obama is on right now? Send in the clowns. lol

It's funny how on here, you speak the truth about how badly BHO is ruining the US and you're demonized... but you make up things against Conservitives and it's all truth.

"SeekingSanity"?? Not as a liberal or Demoncrat. You can't seriously LIKE how BHO is running the country, I mean, you JUST can't!!! Only an idoit or fool, or one of the 47%ers, would believe that! I was asked if I'm better off today than with GW Bush in office... HELL NO!

BECAUSE of Barry, I'm paying 46% in taxes... 46%!!!

How is that my "fair share"??? I don't make millions... I work hard for what I make and now I lose more working than if I were unemployed...

HMmmmmmm.... there's an idea... BECOME one of the 47%!!!

try the 100K coming home without limbs

Republicans ...feel it unnecessary to present cogent arguments to back up their policies

that's arrogance...as if there is surprise?

Study Milton Friedman or Ludwig Von Mises or even the Constitution and our founding fathers before stating conservatives do not present cogent arguments to back up our policies. Your statement proves you are surrounded by liberalism and are ignorant.

The great successes and innovation from this country have never come from Government and never will.

The private sector and individuals create invention. Competition and choice is very powerful.

Sure, on the surface, deleting government programs like education, social security, food stamps, welfare and even the USDA/FDA sounds scary. But, what would the result be? How would human behavior change? What would happen in the private sector when those voids open up? Have you thought about what it would be like without food regulation?...starting say, tonight? What would happen with no department of education. What would happen if you along with everyone else could keep 90% of your paycheck? What would happen if you knew you didn't have social security? What would happen if we were on the gold standard and there was no Fed monetary policy? What if there was no $17,000,000,000 debt?

I think if you study Ludwig Von Mises and Milton Friedman, two great economists for free-markets, you'll find that with limited government, we the people will be better off just as our founding fathers suggested.

The great successes and innovation from this country have never come from Government and never will.

The moon landing

The electrical grid

Cleaning up the pollution left by private enterprise

Educating the nation's children, whether they are low income or wealthy

Building and maintaining the nation's infrastructure

Winning the war against Hitler, Mussolini and Japan

Innovations spun off from NASA:

robotics

satellites to predict weather events and monitor national security

firefighting equipment

LED technology and on and on

http://spinoff.nasa.gov/

TJefferson-6672202

The great successes and innovation from this country have never come from Government and never will.

The Apollo Project was government funded. All the technology from that produced a boom ecomomy in the 1960s.

The G.I. Bill after WWII was government funding that made it possible for our returning troops to go to college and purchase homes.

The Internet was created by our Government . We all know what a huge success that has been to our economy.

Oh, one more thing. Our Founding Fathers were a mix of Southern Conservative Slave owners and Northen Liberal Progressives; i.e. Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Ben Franklin.

You are simply full of it.

Salud

Socialist pigs

Seriously Jefferson. You're @!$%#ing insane.

No, I'm not. I just stand for individual liberty and the beauties that come from it. I don't want my children or your children to grow up in a Big government country.

There will be many unintended consequences....like $17,000,000,000 in debt, 45 million on food stamps, a failing social security program.

As government grows, liberty must yield. I don't like this and neither do most of my neighbors.

The government will not be efficient. It will not be able to provide or choose for us better than we can. It just won't.

The rhetoric of the right is "the government is trying to take away my liberties!" While right-wing politicians try to tell gay people they can't serve in the military or marry their loved ones, women they can't direct what goes on in their own bodies, victims of malpractice they can't sue their doctor, and citizens they can't vote without a picture I.D. Sounds like selective "liberty" to me.

... and what, pray tell, "TJ" are the "beauties that come with it", of which you write, so lovingly. Oh, and the problem with the mix between of "individual liberty" and "capital" is that left unrestrained this 'unholy brew" will inevitably lead to unmitigated avarice, economic oligarchy (or worse), and economic destruction; because, the underlying greed upon which it is based, will result in the death of the "host" upon which "capitalist parasites" (not capitalism, mind you, because there is absolutely nothing inherently wrong with capitalism, when it is controlled (governed) for the good of its "stakeholders", and all of them) feed. By the way, TJ I just left you a little note higher-up on this thread. You might want give it a quick read, when you can find a few "BS free" minutes.

TJefferson-6672202

PS the founding fathers paid their taxes to the new government they helped create. George Washington raised taxes to pay for the Revolutionary War. Early Americans established public schools, firefighting stations, public libraries, state universities and many institutions dedicated to the public good. Your brand of "liberty" flourished in France during the reign of Louis the XVI, not in colonial America. (see: Les Miserables)

TJefferson-6672202

"The great successes and innovation from this country have never come from Government and never will."

In your hurry to make believe that someone else has a greater level of ignorance than yourself you seem to have overlooked the Space program, Moon landings and the thousands of other successes and innovations that stemmed directly from them... Werner Von Braun would be very disappointed in you.

then it's time to 'right the right', teaching the right-wingers a lesson.

this is backwards..

Libertarians stand for as much freedom and liberty as possible! Obstructionists are governments.

Do you want to live in a free country or a government run society?

HEY RighttheWrong -- Do you even know any Libertarians in office?

I think Libertarians have a complete understanding of the Dewey Decimal System.

Salud

TJefferson, your posts give your namesake a bad reputation. Libertarians, in my view, are the anti-government ideological purists much the same as communists were the all-government purists--neither of which is a workable government and both which failed miserably.

I see what you did there Tomas!

hehe, funny!

How often is Obama going to blame the Right for his wrongs? Jody, Iowa aren't you the one that called people out for being mean in calling Obama a socialist. You have no room to talk when you do not even know political ideaologies.

Dr. Sam, nice work. One request, under THERE IS NO INHERENT RIGHT TO LIFE, can we please include that no one has the right to be safe from gun violence? Thank you.

All Men Are Created Equal through Liberty and Freedom.

Democrats, however, are pushing for All Men Are Created Equal through Government restraint!

How can you believe Government should run your life!?? or my life. I can do better.

I'm all for secession. They can have Florida. then we dig a trench along the northern Florida border and push them out in to the Atlantic.

Salud

TJefferson, if all men are created equal through liberty and freedom, how is it the Government had to pass laws ending slavery, and then more laws to end Jim Crow and give minorities the same rights as whites, and pass laws to allow women the right to vote? How is it the Conservative Party is the party of minimal government yet insists on passing legislation that limits my rights as a female by putting the Conservative government in the bedrooms and doctors offices? Government doesn't run your life any more than it runs mine but I sure am grateful to have a more liberal Government on my side to guarantee my rights because I sure can't count on the Conservatives to do so--in fact, the Conservatives are determined to limit my right to vote and make my own reproductive decisions.

LMAO!! Sam, I appreciate your moronic, stupid and ignorant rant. I can always count on you liberals to make my day on this ultra liberal NBC site.

Jody,
You like the liberal government taking away your right to own guns?
You like the liberal government taking away your right for a tiral if you are overseas and suspected of being a terrorist?
You like the liberal government taking away your right to choose your insurance/taking away from 7 million or more that currently pay for insurance?
You like the liberal government that has not created a budget in the last 4 years?
You like the liberal government that created the sequester and is now saying it is the worst thing ever to happen.

I could go on but looks like the only reason your a liberal is because you want to go out get knocked up then have an abortion.

Deven - your stupidity is showing.

When you start out with the "government taking away your right to own guns," we know the rest of your post is moronic! Please get a life and try to at least SOUND like you're not a frickin moron!

when they aren't sneaking into the lifeboats ahead of women and children.

Even when the sink was sinking

LOL

It would seem that most on here would love the other party to just dry up and float away, much like what this particular story is about, and you my friends are with partisan side, does that mean you are really Republicans?

The GOP can get Dick Morris to tell them they are winning in the polling. That's is about as close as they are going to get to appealing to Americans.

16.1 ... One demerit each for a false equivalency and a guilt projection...

You must look into the mirror and not simply use it to check your six...

seriously? there is this thing in science of statistics (math) called sampling.... but i guess you are not known to have heard of it as anything useful but a propaganda by the devil, are ya?

Kind of like those pesky national polls for President.

Yeah, like that.

You're wrong. it is statistically correct. Now I realize most people don't understand how statistics work, but you could make a move to educate yourself a little before spouting nonsense.

I thought it was a dumb question too. Sometimes the minority is correct. Not in this case, but sometimes.

Hey, didn't Obama win with like 48% +/- 3%?

"You're wrong. it is statistically correct. Now I realize most people don't understand how statistics work, but you could make a move to educate yourself a little before spouting nonsense."

BS award of the day...

why not just ask 1 person NBC, say maybe David Gregory...

Welcome to the Obama show on NBC. LOL

Also known as wheel of misfortune.

Press they couldn't provide any accurate information just hype and sensationalism.

The states have had to make much more difficult choices to their budgets - sometimes like here in NYC 5-7% decrease multiple times, yet somehow crime still drops and the streets look good. It's obvious that there is tremendous mismanagement and waste in government, government programs long past any sense of usefulness, and of course corruption.

The problem with all of these walking dead posters is they simply cannot recognize the financial overspending and necessary adjustments needed because they are nothing more than the idealist the idolize so much. Tomorrow, next week/month/year for them to receive is what's important and our country and children's future means little to them.

One has to ask the left - what is your ultimate goal?

To do something about Global Climate change, if you really want to help our children. Otherwise we humans are toast.

Weemee ~ Your an idiot as all his green initiatives has done nothing but cost us who work Millions and millions of taxpayer money.. Oh yeah ~ you don't pay taxes because you are a non-working liberal

No, the problem is the dysfunctional Republican party that is trying to block everything the President proposes - to hell with the country!

Amen!

Here's an intellgent post, totally representative of the Far right.

way to take a phrase Ann Richards used to describe George W Bush and try to apply it to President Obama, who clearly has not only a hat but spurs, chaps, boots, and a posse of gunslingers.

wb52

I've come to the conclusion that NBC if full of sh!t!!!

Then leave.

You cuddle buddies over at Faux sNewzzzzzz will welcome you back with open arms.

You are just the type Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes are looking for.

Salud

It seems to have become fashionable for Repugnicans to wear their own a$$es for hats... Typical of their collective inability to show a care for the actual future of America, they also don't realize that summer's coming soon and what feels warm and silent if you pull it down hard enough will soon become a sweltering offensive burden... Again.

Tomas

Na...can't do that...where' s the fun in that? It's more fun making one comment over here and watching all you batsh!t crazy libs get all wound up like a spinning top.....makes my day.....It's just too easy.....

Salad! & Blue cheese dressing......

Liberalism is a mental illness... it manifests itself as borrow/tax/spend affliction to buy votes, and is accompanied by the delusion that Keynesian policies haven't failed everywhere they've been tried, the world over... Of course Marxist politicians just leverage this along with a compliant Marxist media to get 51% hooked on entitlements so that they can be forever in power... unfortunately to do that, they turn whatever the nation was into a third world s***hole with no property rights and no free speech. Worst case, disarmed dissenters are marched into gas chambers....

Our Fed chairman is known among economists as the foremost economic authority on the subject of our Great Depression, and he would disagree with you.

The House has passed two different sets of alternate cuts to replace the sequester... still waiting for Harry the Barrier to put them to a vote in the Senate...

or for Oblunder to come up with a list of cuts of his own... ha ha ha ha... oh I kill myself.. Oblunder come up with a list of his own... ha ha

"Manage" the country. They don't manage my life nor do I want them to.

Moving his agenda is destroying this country - I really don't call anything Obama does presidential or leadership.

Obama's a turd... and not even the Marxist media can polish a turd....

I agree. Obama came in with the best of intentions to unify and compromise. I think the repubs were so hostile to him that he gave up. I voted for him to do what he is doing, ignore them, go to the people and discuss the issues to those that will listen and put pressure on Congress. They are NOT going to agree with him on anything. Just because they oppose him does not mean they right, they are just opposing for the sake of him not getting his way. The country is being hurt by this, the teabags love them, and so it goes.

One last time....

George W. Bush and the Republican Trickle Down policies of the last 30 years have distroyed the Middle Class in America.

Get a Fricken clue.

Salud

Not getting his way may just save this country from all you lazy liberals who just want to be taken care of and I cannot wait for those of us who do all the work and paying of taxes simply say enough and pass me some Obama Dollars. Their is an end to this Obama taketh and giveth mentality ~

He believes he is the King of the Idiots in this once great country and he is!!!May all you liberals get whats coming to you and your children with the direction he is taking us. A bankrupt dis-functional country of all those who want a hand-out and not a job. He is a communist/socialist in disguise.

Hey Feetup! Speaking of Turd polish, how's that autobiography coming along? Those two 55 gal. drums gonna do it? I can still get you one more at that same price as surplus from the RNC, but they're hoarding the rest.

Just let me know!

Fedup - you've shown your mentality (not very high) and your total lack of intelligence each time you post. Your grade schoool (sorry grade schoolers) need to call the President names tells everything about you.

The President has proposed over 7 jobs creation programs that the Republicans in Congress refuse to even bring up for a vote. The lack of leadership and integrity of the GOP is beyond comprehension yet you have no problem with their actions that are continuing to damage our country.

You are an idiot - beyond compare. No go ahead and spout your hatred of the President - you just look more foolish with every ignorant post.

Oh, and the handout ignorance shows what a low information voter you are. Just another mental midget who doesn't care about facts - just your own blind hatred and your total stupidity!

Don't worry, anytime Seeking can't understand something, she just spews out "idiot", "moron" or some derogatory slur.

Lack of happiness, I suppose!

Lil Michelle - again you post absolutely NOTHING. You are a foolish, inept individual who clearly accuses others of what is lacking in your own pathetic life. Now, crawl back under your rock!

Why seeking, you never answered my question yet! You are independent??

Attempted equality through liberty and freedom to live your life(Conservative view of limited government)

yeah sure, like birth control/abortion? like gay marriage? like those lazy moochers? that kind of liberty and freedom from "limited" government?

bs...conservatives want to regulate the bedroom and they reserve the right to call everyone a lazy moocher if their not making $250,000.00 a year or more, you know "...the 47%"

TJJefferson - Your kidding right? Is it freedom you are looking for when conservatives try to limit someones ability to vote?

Is it freedom your talking about when Conservatives try to restrict a womans & families right to privacy by forcing vaginal probes?

Is it freedom your talking about when Conservatives try to ban gay and lesbian marriage?

Is it freedom your talking about when Conservatives try to limit the amount of pay a person gets based on their sex?

The Conservative view of limited government does not exist.

There have been fewer depressions since this country added:

Social Security, unemployment insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, that have protected us from depressions; since they allow spending to continue even during recessions.

If we did not have those Liberal ideals of government in place this last recession would have crippled us for 50 years.

I'm a conservative,

Why would I limit someone's ability to vote?

I don't know anything about vaginal probes. Do what you want.

Marriage? Ahh, what is marriage? I'm open to the debate however we know pro-creation is done between a man and woman. Therefore, it is a slightly different relationship.

I would never limit someone's pay based on sex. That's ridiculous. That is up to the employer and the employee. The nature of economics suggests if a person agrees to a wage, that is what they are paid. Government's involvement in this will only muddy things and lead us down the wrong path for a real solution to so-called sex wage limitations.

The conservative view of limited government does exist. Go back before 1971 when we were on the gold standard. That was a much more conservative time..fiscally.

Liberalism, Keynesian Econ and mis-managed monetary policy were big players in creating this mess. I'm talking Bush as well. Conservatism will not create $17,000,000,000 in debt. An artificial boom must be followed by an artificial bust.

In a free market, there are few factors changing the way an economy grows...war and a loss of natural resources are two. It's clear, our economy would not stink if we had free markets. There would be no reason for it to change!

William F. Buckley was a conservative.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative.

Both of them are rolling in their graves at your interpretation of conservatism.

Salud

Historical fact reveals that without the intervention of the federal government "telling us how to live and what to do," only part of the USA- the white, male, Anglo-Saxon Protestant landowner part - would be living free while the rest of US would still be enslaved without the franchise - or at least still have part of the country steeped in Jim Crow, miscegenation and poll taxes.

Let us also not forget that we've not had truly "Free-Market," for quite sometime - especially under conservative dictatorship. But, rather we have a "Rigged Market," in which the well-off successfully convince conservative politicians that it is quite alright to privatize their profits while socializing their tax burden. Look no further General Electric or any other large corporation that can delay repaying state income taxes to a state collected from employees for up to 20 years to jurisdiction simply by threatening to move their business to another location - thus holding governments hostage and rigging the system by shoving the tax burden on to everyone else. Please spare me your squawking about our American Free Enterprise System. It's a winged, pink unicorn you conservatives shysters are trying to convince the rest of us that will fly over any day now and will crap money down on us all if we just give that major corporation one more tax break at the expense of the poor schmuck working the assembly line.

Are you flirting with me Diane?... Lol

Excellent post!! I was just thinking the other day at how naive the populace was to originally accept the notion of "trickle-down economics" without accounting for the inevitable solids.

Anyone ever tell you that your "handle" is offensive to "chicks"?

Anyone ever tell you that your "handle" is offensive to "chicks"?

Don't worry, you have nothing to be offended about!

How many "chicks" call other "chicks" - old maids... lol

PS: Anyone ever tell you that your just plain offensive?

Feisty - I believe the dude - Lil Michelle - is told daily how offensive he is. Has he EVER posted anything but lame one-liners????

Is it snowing hard out near you? Downtown is already a mess! Oh well - it's February, right?

I don't think that I was asking EITHER of you two, but thanks for paying attention to lil ole Michelle.

Sheesh, get a life!

Oh yeah. Just like those statisticians got it all wrong with the polls before November. Those "partisan" polls? Just like Hillary said, and reflected in many of the Wingnut comments here, the Republicans and their base are not living in an evidenced based world.

Hurts, you were wrong in October and you are wronger now.

Take this with a grain of salt. This is not shocking for a Poll by NBC/WSJ. Had it been by FOX News, the poll would likely have shown the opposite.

Uh...aren't FOX News and the Wall Street Journal owned by the same parent company?

That is the funniest thing I've heard all day...all year in fact. I can almost see the spit flying while you were typing it. Say goodbye to your party...The Independents will come sweeping in to fill the vacuum.

Can't we PLEASE kick a few more dollar in tax breaks (in addition to the billions were already giving them) to Exxon Mobil, British Petroleum, Shell Oil, and Connoco Oil to insure our childrens futures will be bright???

Even though they have made the most outrages profits for the last (5) years running in the entire recorded history of planet earth, they cab certainly use a little more....especially when it will help secure our childrens future !!!

DUMB-ASS !!

If you saw spit flying it was from your own mouth... in case you missed it, the midterms weren't too good to you guys last time... lost what, seventy seats and most of the gov races. You have lots of vulnerable candidates in the Senate in '14 and we we'll be taking advantage of the fact that those deadbeats haven't passed a budget in years... Kay Hagan in NC is toast... she voted for Oblundercare and Cap and Tax... Oblunder didn't win here, and we're sweeping the loony tunes liberals out... at all levels.

And G-brown if you weren't such a moron, you'd know that corporations don't pay taxes... they're just costs they pass on to consumers. So tax increases on busnesses are just hidden taxes on consumers. And they drive businesses offshore, because they have to compete in a global market for those consumers. But don't let facts get in the way of your class envy bulls**t... oh and each of those corporations you pointed out hire tens of thousands of workers... high paying jobs... not burger flipping jobs... the more companies we have like that, the more secure our childrens' futures are... get a f'n clue....

The same ratio of Americans pass (3) and fail (1) the comprehension test about what "separation of church and state" means...coincidence?

god bless the united states of north and south carolina!

You "Fed Up" are part of the clueless regime. Educate yourself and come in out of the woods.

Someone reported here not long ago that the U.S. Navy tests their Gay-Dar off off the Carolinas because Lindsey Graham saves them money by unwittingly acting as the target drone... Maybe "Feetup" can attest to the validity of those claims... You know, do something more useful and valid with his time?

Steve-3718191 - let Fed UP stay in the woods then make sure to never go in the woods at night! He is useless and hopeless. He keeps spouting the lies that sunk the GOP in November and will continue to destroy it as the next election comes around.

His hatred and ignorance are all he has! Let him wallow in it!

Well Duke Girl, you are no better than your characterisation of steve.

When I read your comments, vile as they are to anyone who you disagree with, I laugh. Like a FR liberal who worships at the Obama alter every morning, you refuse to accept discussion that proves your ilk incorrect.

If you actually reviews the words of the Great Leader, you'll find that he doesn't accept accountability for any policy decisions he makes. You, like your fellow followers of the Great Leader, will lie to protect him from anything that makes him look bad. Image is more important to the far-left than what actually happens.

When anyone reads your comments, as well as the many on FR, YOUR hatred and ignorance shows volumes.

If you show this type of ignorance in front of your supposed clients, I feel for your organization.

rotorhead1 - There is no discussion going on with any of the far right on this thread. They're all whining and calling the President names. YOU are certainly not one to talk about discussions as all you post is nonsense.

Now, I'm glad you don't like me. If you did, I'd know I'd stooped to an intolerable low!

And dearie, if your reading comprehension skills were better you'd know I'm agreeing with Steve 3718191. Try again!

Obama Administration released a detailed report on the upcoming sequester cuts… including 2 million in cuts to an agency that shut down in June 2012.

Lets look at the bright side, 2 million saved.

totas, could you provide a link or something that shows that? I looked at the WH website, but didn't see anything in the plan that listed an agency that I could confirm your comment.

I guess you can't provide a link or even at least the name of the supposed agency that shut down?