Dem governors warn of sequester’s impact

 

After meeting with President Obama and Vice President Biden at the White House, Democratic governors today emphasized the effect the across-the-board spending cuts -- set to begin on March 1 -- would have on their states.

They also called on congressional Republicans to compromise to avert these spending cuts, commonly referred to as the "sequester."

"The only thing standing in the way of prosperity right now are the games being played by Republicans in Congress threatening to enter the sequester that will hurt the middle class, shrink job growth, and put us back into economic turmoil," said Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin, chairman of the Democratic Governors Association.

Shumlin added, "Our message to Republican governors will be simple -- speak up, stand up, or be part of the problem.”

The governors are in Washington for a National Governors Association meeting hosted at the White House this weekend, where they will participate in a dinner on Sunday night and meetings on Monday. First Lady Michelle Obama and Dr. Jill Biden will also attend the meeting.

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Republicans fiddle while the country burns...

The President has said his door is open...

The President has picked up the phone and called GNOP leadership...

Democrats in the house have drawn up an alternative plan which the Weeper of the House won't even bring to the floor for a vote...

What has the GNOP done other than stomp their feet and yell OH HELL NO we won't while taking another week of vacation?

  • 27 votes
#1 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:51 PM EST

I'll second that frist post.

  • 20 votes
#1.1 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:52 PM EST

yeah, as well as democrats...

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:55 PM EST

"Our message to Republican governors will be simple -- speak up, stand up, or be part of the problem.”

Messages to Republicans HAVE to be simple to be understood.

  • 26 votes
#1.3 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:56 PM EST

HAVE to be simple to be understood.

Speaking of simple, I give you "Exhibit A" directly ^ you! lol

  • 20 votes
#1.4 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:00 PM EST

speak up, stand up, or be part of the problem.”

Layton, unfortunately, Republicans don't do well with multiple choice options.

  • 21 votes
#1.5 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:01 PM EST

you are so smart Feisty, I bet all the guys love you!

A simple person thinks that all the problems exist on the other side, not their party. You Feisty??

  • 12 votes
#1.6 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:01 PM EST

@Feisty,

What has the GNOP done other than stomp their feet and yell OH HELL NO

Nothing.

  • 18 votes
#1.7 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:02 PM EST

Yeah... Feisty is 'frist'!!!

.

BTW... conservatives should truly live by their principles...such as -

1) pragmatic....do what works;

2) family values ...support all families, including poor families, not just the Bush family;

3) religious values...we are all God's children..this great nation is ONE Nation under GOD

4) democracy ... listen to what the people want - and majority want compromises.

5) two party system...if you don't do the above, you republicans are goners.

  • 14 votes
#1.8 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:06 PM EST

A simple person thinks that all the problems exist on the other side, not their party

Sorry Captain Cupcake!

A simple person is someone who comes to an anonynous message board and LIES about;

1.) Their gender

2.) Their political affiliation

3.) Their IQ

And expects anyone to take what they have to say seriously...

  • 23 votes
#1.9 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:07 PM EST

Feisty, I thought you might want to laugh. Pay particular attention to the bolded part. LoL.

This from Steve Benen's blog:

We'll return to covering the news shortly, but I hope readers won't mind a brief self-indulgent interruption.

Exactly 10 years ago tomorrow, I began my blogging career, making this my "blogoversary." My very first post, published on Feb. 23, 2003, complained about the guest list on "Meet the Press," which reinforces the thesis that some things never change.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/02/22/17058926-a-decade-of-blogging?lite

  • 17 votes
#1.10 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:09 PM EST

enter the sequester that will hurt the middle class, shrink job growth, and put us back into economic turmoil," said Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin, chairman of the Democratic Governors Association.

Let me add to that

Just as it says here on my press release hand out that was marking my place at the table. It is personally signed by the President himself so it must be true.

Whether he or any of you regulars want to believe it or not, we are stagnant at this point and all indicators point to a slight downturn in the immediate future. Hopefully short lived but at least with the sequester, the dem/lib/liv/progressives have created someone to point the finger at with the help of the MSM.

  • 4 votes
#1.11 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:10 PM EST

Lil Michelle will reply when he gets out of his MENSA meeting :)

  • 16 votes
#1.12 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:10 PM EST

I love the smell of Democrats squirming.

It smells like other people's money being burned and having water thrown on it.

It smells like victory. (Colonel Kilgore, Apocalypse Now)

Let the sequester begin!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 9 votes
#1.13 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:19 PM EST

hey, Joe in Albany

I love the smell of Democrats squirming.

I like to smell Albanana...for healthy living. Right-wingers like you have gone Albananas and come down with tea-sickness. Most Americans have disagreed with you rwnjs.

  • 14 votes
#1.14 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:22 PM EST

The GOP is content to let the country burn just as they did when the economy crashed and President Obama took office. They no longer have any sense of responsibility to country but claim instead, the patriotism of party.

  • 18 votes
#1.15 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:35 PM EST

chuck yb - Lil Michelle can't spell MENSA. And, he would never be let in the door of a meeting!

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#1.16 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:35 PM EST

My very first post, published on Feb. 23, 2003, complained about the guest list on "Meet the Press," which reinforces the thesis that some things never change.

OMG Pat! Priceless! lol

I keep forgetting to thank you for introducing me to Steve's blog! He is by far one of thee best in the business!

  • 11 votes
#1.17 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:38 PM EST

Seeking Sanity -- i'm guessing you live alone in Chicago, based on your personality... correct?

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#1.18 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:49 PM EST

I keep forgetting to thank you for introducing me to Steve's blog! He is by far one of thee best in the business!

And I in turn was introduced to him over at The Obama Diary. They would post his articles every single morning and I was simply blown away by his work.

Word of mouth travels so fast these days.

  • 9 votes
#1.19 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:53 PM EST

i'm guessing you live alone in Chicago, based on your personality... correct?

I'm guessing you live with a pink tutu wearing capuchin monkey in a single wide on cinderblocks, with a lawn littered with empty beer bottles, down by the river without indoor plumbing, based on your personality...

  • 11 votes
#1.20 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:54 PM EST

and Feisty, i'm guessing that you are an old maid...

  • 5 votes
#1.21 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:56 PM EST

i'm guessing that you are an old maid...

Which lifeline did you have to call to help you think that snappy retort up? lol

  • 13 votes
#1.22 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:59 PM EST

All right Feisty, I'm late to the party on this. Granted, I've read a few of the posts from Lil Michelle. Obviously a right-wing knuckle-dragger. However, you seem to have some insight into this troll.

What's the deal, and where did it come from?

  • 12 votes
#1.23 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:02 PM EST

Feisty . . .

I'm guessing you live with a pink tutu wearing capuchin monkey in a single wide on cinderblocks, with a lawn littered with empty beer bottles, down by the river without indoor plumbing, based on your personality...

The monkey doesn't want anything to do with Lil! Still laughing over that visual!!!!

  • 13 votes
#1.24 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:04 PM EST

Most Americans have disagreed with you rwnjs.

Hi, Pigotry. Actually most Americans - a pretty sizable majority - agree with the realities that: We need to cut spending. We need to reduce our budget deficit and we need to reduce our debt.

According to the Democrats, allow the sequester and thousands of teachers and policemen will lose their jobs, homes will burn down, airplanes won't fly, highways will crater, skies will fall, there will be riot in the streets, dogs and cats will no longer co-exist. Lord have mercy!

If our government agencies can't figure out how to function on 1 or 2% less than they have now, we are surely doomed. After all, these agencies are run by the best and brightest tax payer money can buy.

The Republicans need to hold fast. No more tax increases. Cut spending. Figure it out.

  • 8 votes
#1.25 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:05 PM EST

Lil Michelle - wrong on all counts - as usual. Keep trying - you're sadly humorous if nothing else!

  • 11 votes
#1.26 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:07 PM EST

What's the deal, and where did it come from?

A humpback whale took a dump and it washed up on shore here @ FR!

The monkey doesn't want anything to do with Lil!

Layton,

Well, that would explain why the monkey keeps handing him the football, while covering his ass! ;o)

  • 9 votes
#1.27 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:12 PM EST

Lil Michelle is attempting to take down Feisty. All by his little lonesome.

I don't know of too many females who call a female an old maid, so let's assume this is a male dressed up as a female.

  • 12 votes
#1.28 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:12 PM EST

thanks Seeking, maybe I should be a Democrat, kinda fun making observations about y'all like you did about lil ole me! of course, it is all in good fun, right?

  • 2 votes
#1.29 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:13 PM EST

"Joe in Albany

I love the smell of Democrats squirming.

It smells like other people's money being burned and having water thrown on it.

It smells like victory. (Colonel Kilgore, Apocalypse Now)

Let the sequester begin!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Well Boy-Howdy Joe!!! Now we've been put in our rightful places by someone that thinks squirming has a smell!!!!...

Are you still working on the commission you were awarded to write that custom encyclopedia for the Palin family? Until you finish that, your "squirming" statement will remain as the stupidest thing ever seen in print.

  • 10 votes
#1.30 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:13 PM EST

Lil Michelle - you're a joke. I don't understand why a guy would have an avatar such as yours. Apparently there is an issue you're trying to deal with. Again, MENSA wouldn't let you in the door! Not because you're a transvestite but because you're totally lacking intelligence!

  • 7 votes
#1.31 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:16 PM EST

Candice in order for you not to overload your Hummingbird a$$ by trying to tell uis what most Americans think maybe you should go to First Thoughts this morning where I've very kindly put up a post that shows what Most Americans do indeed think. Just to clue you in it ain't what your saying.. Difference is I can back mine up. Can you?

  • 13 votes
#1.32 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:18 PM EST

Well Boy-Howdy Joe!!! Now we've been put in our rightful places by someone that thinks squirming has a smell!!!!...

Well, you know Joe, he consumes so much rotten Salmon soaked in warm beer that he has lost his ability to 'smell something fishy', and now 'smells something squirmy'.

  • 9 votes
#1.33 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:19 PM EST

Which lifeline did you have to call to help you think that snappy retort up? lol

Sounds like a "Who Wants To Be a Millionaire" reference. No wonder Feisty doesn't post from 7 to 730.

  • 5 votes
#1.34 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:21 PM EST

IR - the answer to your question, can Candice back up her/his claims (after all Lil Michelle is a guy) would be a resounding "no."

  • 9 votes
#1.35 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:25 PM EST

you know, I'm about as liberal as they come on issues - but I take offense at a so called "leader" that puts issues such as gun control, gay rights, etc "PRIORITY 1". Both sides do it, and if this country were just for 1 minute concentrate on real issues, we could actually get things accomplished, things that make a difference.

It is a shame that people in this country are so easily distracted.

  • 3 votes
#1.36 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:29 PM EST

you know, I'm about as liberal as they come on issues

You know, you should really lay off drinking the hand sanitizer...

You're not fooling anyone!

  • 10 votes
#1.37 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:31 PM EST

But Michelle, that would detract from the diversion to things that don't mean squat and at that point, the dem/lib/liv/progressives have no answer

You know, you should really lay off drinking the hand sanitizer...

You should take heed from a woman who has lived that nightmare.

  • 4 votes
#1.38 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:33 PM EST

(sarc off)The ill effects still show for the old gal.

  • 3 votes
#1.39 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:36 PM EST

Talk - we try not to refer to Lil Michelle as "old gal" since he's a he!

  • 7 votes
#1.40 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:46 PM EST

And seeking, you still claim to be "independent"??

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#1.41 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:52 PM EST

Lil Michelle writes:

"you know, I'm about as liberal as they come on issues - but I take offense at a so called "leader" that puts issues such as gun control, gay rights, etc "PRIORITY 1". Both sides do it, and if this country were just for 1 minute concentrate on real issues, we could actually get things accomplished, things that make a difference."

No, Michelle, whoever or whatever you are, you are not a liberal in any sense of the word. Gun control and gay rights have been on the back burner for many years. Clearly, you think that's where it should have remained, while the nation attends to more important issues. Let those sores fester.

You say both sides ignore the issues. You mean like Republicans who scream about jobs, jobs, jobs and then obstruct every single attempt to create jobs. Why? Because they're homing in on the really important issue of showing their contempt for women.

The President's State of the Union message touched on a substantial number of issues. None of them were new. They are issues that have been neglected for years, and now that they've been clearly articulated, what is it Republicans do? Not a goddamned thing, that's what.

You can sling your BS and your fellow lightweight right-wingers will eat it up. After all, that's standard fare for Republicans. Most of us know better. IR put the figures out this morning. But of course, those are facts. You don't do facts. You do BS and that's why people like you are ignored.

  • 8 votes
#1.42 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:59 PM EST

SS I was referring to Feisty.............but then you knew that didn't you. Silly little thing you are.

    #1.43 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:09 PM EST

    No, Michelle, whoever or whatever you are

    David,

    Here's the skinny on the "lil Freak"

    First off, lil Michelle is a DUDE!

    Second "it" claimed for weeks to be a Democrat until yesterday when it suddenly morphed into a Libertarian.

    Third, "it" also claimed yesterday to have an IQ of 162...

    Need I say more? lol

    Oh, and, "it's" avatar is of some "B" grade porn star!

    • 9 votes
    #1.44 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:15 PM EST

    Oh, and, "it's" avatar is of some "B" grade porn star!

    Which never in your wildest fat girl dreams you could ever be.

    • 2 votes
    #1.45 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:24 PM EST

    lol @ Feisty. per your quote "what business of it is yours"

    your just a lonely freak Feisty, and this little playground is ALL you got, so sad really....

    • 2 votes
    #1.46 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:26 PM EST

    lil michelle has caused much angst among our tolerant lefties today. feisty and seeking are rather obsessed - thanks for the laughs you two!

    • 3 votes
    #1.47 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:26 PM EST

    Oh, and the avatar is Michelle Marsh, hence "Lil Michelle"

    she's my hero...

      #1.48 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:28 PM EST

      feisty and seeking truly qualify for "big fish -- little pond types"

      imagine if a law is passed that prohibits anonymous internet posting? the lefties here will simply disappear -- what a day that will be.

      have a nice weekend, i know i will

      • 3 votes
      #1.49 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:29 PM EST

      billybob - sorry to disappoint but the likes of Lil Michelle don't even begin to interest me.

      And, dear billybob - you wouldn't qualify even for the very small pond. You're irrelevant!

      Lil - I've voted both Republican and Democrat although I'm proud to say I haven't voted Republican since they went to the dark side!

      • 4 votes
      #1.50 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:35 PM EST

      Independent, I've read many of your posts, and you are quite a legend around here. I am happy to respond to you regarding mine.

      73 percent of voters polled say cutting government spending would be more likely to help strengthen the nation’s economy -- as opposed to just 15 percent who believe increasing spending would do the trick.

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/08/voters-say-government-should-cut-spending-rather-than-increase-it-as-way-to/

      That's a Fox news report, and I believe you're biased about that and so will likely automatically dismiss it....

      Here's one that references that same poll, so you're likely to ignore this one too....

      http://garydhalbert.com/2013/02/14/yes-mr-president-we-do-have-a-spending-problem/

      From Pew Research and USA Today ...

      Seven of 10 surveyed in a new Pew Research and USA Today poll released Thursday said major legislation on the deficit is the most important issue on Congress' plate.

      Three quarters - 76% - want a combination of spending cuts and tax increases, and 73% say the effort should include more spending cuts than tax increases. Two in 10 say only spending cuts should be included in a package

      http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/21/poll-deficit-is-essential-issue-for-congress-to-tackle/

      Of course, depending on what source you look at, you can always find an agreeing opinion....

      40% of Americans say it would be better to let the automatic spending cuts go into effect, while 49% say it would be better to delay the cuts. Both Republicans and independents are divided evenly over which approach is better, and even among Democrats, roughly a third favor letting the sequester take effect over any delays.

      http://www.people-press.org/2013/02/21/if-no-deal-is-struck-four-in-ten-say-let-the-sequester-happen/

      Even the President agrees we have a spending problem!

      White House press secretary Jay Carney was asked the next day whether the president believes there is a spending problem, and he responded: “Of course the president believes that we have a spending problem.”

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/02/15/the-growing-debate-over-whether-washington-has-a-spending-problem/

      If the American people have to cut back, why doesn’t the Government do the same?

      A majority of consumers say they are making adjustments to their spending following the end of a payroll tax cut.

      http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/284125-poll-majority-of-consumers-change-spending-habits-at-end-of-payroll-tax-cut

      Were you trying to tell us all how everyone thinks using only one source, Independent? Broaden your horizons! There's a whole world of all kinds of though out there.

      • 4 votes
      #1.51 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:49 PM EST

      Raising the Debt Ceiling

      In 2006, Senator Obama said, "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can't pay its own bills."

      However in 2013, he said, "To even entertain the idea [of not raising the debt ceiling], it's absurd."

      Avoiding the Sequester

      In 2011, President Obama said, "I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts."

      But now in 2013 President Obama is saying, "These cuts are not smart, they are not fair, they will add hundreds of thousands of people to unemployment roles."

      Which Obama is telling the truth?

      • 1 vote
      #1.52 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:12 PM EST

      The real Li'l Michelle is married to some Brit. She is British too and eye candy. Looking at her I would say it it weren't for her looks she'd be living in some government row house in the low rent district of London as she wouldn't be smart enough to do anything, well except sell herself to guys named John.

      • 1 vote
      #1.53 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:50 PM EST

      Much better Candice. You need to get out of the habit of making blanket statements without the citation to back it up. Lazy thinking....Even you have to admit that with the citations you have presented it paints a different picture than the one you were trying to get away with. Even the Fox ones.

      • 6 votes
      #1.54 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:27 PM EST
      moodaabbuDeleted

      Independent.

      The way some of the politicians are speaking, an $85 billion cut in spending in a 2 trillion dollar budget will result in armageddon. I bet it won't. I bet that most Americans, especially those who don't pay too much attention to what goes on in the country, would even hardly notice a difference.

      I would rather see the Democrats and Republicans tell the American people that revenues are down because fewer folks are paying taxes. I'd rather see them admit to the people, the country runs in unsustainable deficits because they spend more than they bring in. Be honest with the people. What a concept! At the same time, they might show themselves as examples to the people, instead of victims of their own irresponsibility.

      I'd like them to tell us, in light of conditions, the collective government, as a whole, is going to do what it needs to do to cut down on expenditures. They would come off as sounding responsible, instead of whining and ranting melodramatically. Instead of admitting they're incapable of dealing with the situation - created mostly by themselves - they could appear to be leaders.

      Lazy thinking? We find that a lot among our reps and our senators. And among those who choose single sources to adopt an opinion.

      • 4 votes
      #1.56 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:53 PM EST

      Candice -- You write:

      I would rather see the Democrats and Republicans tell the American people that revenues are down because fewer folks are paying taxes. I'd rather see them admit to the people, the country runs in unsustainable deficits because they spend more than they bring in

      Yes, revenues are down because taxes were cut and people are unemployed. So why is it Republicans are insisting on spending cuts that will put even more people out of work thus lowering revenues further? Why are they bucking tax reform that will bring in more revenue? Less revenue means bigger deficits.

      Don't forget WARS also drive a deficit.

      In the bigger picture:

      Health care costs have soared in the past 30 years. That means Medicare must pay significantly more for health care services rendered. For decades Congress has not raised the tax that pays for those services. Decades. Why? They sure like to complain about the cost of Medicare but forget they didn't want to pay for it! Congress created this problem not the people.

      • 4 votes
      #1.57 - Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:32 AM EST

      Don't Carry it.

      You are absolutely right that Congress created the problem - not the people. That's why they have to figure it out and they should figure it out without asking the people for more money! "Gee, Dad, I squandered my allowance.....will you give me an increase?" Really?

      There's plenty of spending cuts that can take place without putting more people out of work. Moroccan pottery classes for instance. Video game studies. The "small stuff" adds up.

      The Republicans are looking for tax reform to bring in more revenue because when taxes are lowered, revenues increase. Odd but true. (Assuming no war, bank crisis, etc., of course). Tax policy also creates jobs. More jobs - more tax payers - more revenue - less cost to the government to care for the unemployed.

      Regarding your point about Congress having not raised the medicare and social security taxes while costs continued to rise --- That tax increase might make sense.

      Raising taxes on a select few with no spending discipline is simply perpetuating the vicious circle of tax more and spend more. Congress and the President need to start treating the people's money with a little respect.

      In my opinion.

        #1.58 - Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:12 PM EST

        This is silly.

        In 2009, spending increased by $535 Billion vs 2008 (+18%), and has remained at that high level for 4 straight years. The 'sequester' is a cut of only about $60 Billion for 2013 - that's a cut of only 1.7% of bloated federal spending.

        We actually need far greater cuts to avoid extreme austerity in the near future, and this huge Debt we're piling onto the backs of our children is unconscionable.

        The REAL problem is that Obama never saw a new spending program he didn't like, and his constant cry of "the sky is falling" over ANY cuts is getting old.

          #1.59 - Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:51 AM EST

          President’s plan only saves 1800 billion over 10 years. (180 billion per year in savings). The
          DEFICIT is over 1300 billion per year.

          1300 -180 = 1120 Billion in DEFICIT spending per year, still. WHAT A JOKE.

          Whitehousedotgov/sites/default/files/docs/deficit_reduction_table_bucketed_r8.pdf

            #1.60 - Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:05 AM EST

            The Debt that Obama is building up will devastate our children in the future.

            Under Reagan, the Debt Ratio (National Debt as a % of GDP, which affects your solvency) averaged 42.8%.

            Under Bush 1, the Debt Ratio averaged 58.4%.

            Under Clinton, the Debt Ratio averaged 64.2%.

            Under Bush 2, the Debt Ratio averaged 62.6% (yes, it was lower than Clinton).

            Under Obama, it is currently (2012) at 104.8% of GDP.

            Greece became insolvent when their Debt Ratio reached 120% of GDP, and their economy is a shambles, with Unemployment at 30%, and they have extreme 'austerity' because nobody will lend them any money and their debts are hopelessly high.

            Doesn't ANYONE see the huge 'bubble' that this 'out of control' spending is creating?

            We should be ashamed of the 'Legacy' that Obama is leaving our children and grandchildren, and we are allowing it to happen.

            This will be known as "The Selfish Generation" because it spent money it didn't have and mortgaged their children's future to pay for it.

              #1.61 - Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:19 AM EST

              I smell a democrat party operative from chicago who aligns with nbc news in this conversation

                #1.62 - Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:31 AM EST
                Reply

                Shumlin added, "Our message to Republican governors will be simple -- speak up, stand up, or be part of the problem.”

                Wonder what Utah's governor has to say about the massive furloughs that will be experienced by his state. Seems their senator is more than happy to send thousands of workers into the unemployment lines or add them to the welfare/foodstamp payrolls.

                Sen. Orrin Hatch told Utah lawmakers on Wednesday that he supports sequestration if it comes to that. "We’ve got to face the music now, or it will be much tougher later."

                Nonetheless, he said sequestration would be an economic blow to Utah, where 11,500 at Hill Air Force Base alone would be furloughed one day per week, losing 8.5 percent of their yearly pay. The cuts, he said, would be "devastating to our nation’s readiness." http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55874833-78/civilians-sequestration-utah-military.html.csp

                • 16 votes
                Reply#2 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:58 PM EST

                From the news:

                [Vermont Gov.] Shumlin added, "Our message to Republican governors will be simple -- speak up, stand up, or be part of the problem."

                Yeah, that's what Reagan meant when he said...'government is the problem.'

                • 8 votes
                #2.1 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:13 PM EST

                RedDev . . .

                Haven't heard anything from the Governor but I truly wonder why Rob Bishop is making some noise. Hill's in his district and he got to Congress vowing that nothing would ever touch the workers there. Garn used to understand the importance of the Base on Utah's economy as well.

                Would someone please take Orrin? I cannot believe the people in my State voted for him what ... like 20 times?

                • 13 votes
                #2.2 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:14 PM EST

                Reading that quote from Hatch and one wonders if he has any idea what he said. Poor Orrin, he tried to take both sides of the problem at the same time. He supports sequestration then talks about the terrible impact it will have. Typical GOPers, Hatch is more concerned about our nation's "readiness" than he is about the human aspects of the income loss and other far more devastating consequences of too many cuts too quickly.

                • 9 votes
                #2.3 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:44 PM EST

                Layton, Hatch barely survived the last primary; maybe there's hope except that would mean an extremist like Cruz or Rand Paul could win.

                • 8 votes
                #2.4 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:51 PM EST

                Jody, he's like 105 or something! I certainly hope he doesn't get elected again. Although, our newest little cherub, Mike Lee can't seem to keep his trap shut and is a teaparty darling!

                • 9 votes
                #2.5 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:58 PM EST

                Layton - Hatch is older than dirt and doesn't have what it takes to stand up to the hardcore extremists. Sad but true!

                • 6 votes
                #2.6 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:11 PM EST

                Reading that quote from Hatch and one wonders if he has any idea what he said.

                Jody, it is the Republican way, one that quite frankly, baffles me. Cut peoples wages, which in turn decreases tax revenues, which in turn also decreases spending at the local level, which in turn causes layoffs at the local level, thus decreasing again tax revenues and spending - all causing an increase on welfare/food stamp/unemployment at state and federal levels. So basically, we end up with cuts in Federal spending that ends up being offset with increases in Federal spending, and the right-wing crazies bitching endlessly about those millions added to food stamp, welfare, and unemployment programs.

                • 11 votes
                #2.7 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:14 PM EST

                You nailed it RedDevPS.

                • 2 votes
                #2.8 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:51 PM EST
                Reply

                Layton,

                Teaparty governors are a crazy bunch.

                Very slow on the uptake.

                Looks like governor Scott of Florida will now take the federal money to enroll more Floridians into Medicaid. 20% of Florida population is without health insurance. Scott sure dragged his feet long enough.

                • 14 votes
                Reply#3 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:04 PM EST

                Northstar,

                The whole Scott thing was ridiculous. I do agree with you on the Teaparty governors. While I live in a Red for EVER State, I must say our Republican Governor has been working the President to reform welfare here. Not all of them are complete morons and grandstanders!

                • 13 votes
                #3.1 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:10 PM EST

                Layton,

                Agree, there is a big distinction between TP and moderate Republican governors.

                Here in MN we had Arnie Carlson, a moderate governor. he was the one to sign Minnesota Care for low income uninsured residents by taxing doctors fees to pay into this fund.

                it was working well until Pawlenty came along and gutted the program and along with a balanced budget that robbed the school districts of state funding to meet his crazy smoke and mirrors of budgets.

                Now we have a Dem governor and a majority in both chambers in the legislature. We are now back on track with a unemployment rate under 6%,

                • 11 votes
                #3.2 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:29 PM EST

                Our Tea Party governor is cutting 6,000 low income, disabled and senior Mainers from Medicaid for a "savings" of 5 million dollars - how can they call it "savings" when it means the governor will turn around and give it back to the wealthier Mainers in the form of tax cuts. Tax cuts these folks haven't even asked for.

                http://www.pressherald.com/news/Maine-group-sues-federal-government-to-stop-MaineCare-cuts.html

                • 12 votes
                #3.3 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:46 PM EST

                Amy, your governor certainly ranks at the top of the Crazy Ideologues list. Bet he hasn't met with any doctors or hospital officials who would tell him he's nuts. Such a move merely places the cost of the uninsureds health care on to hospitals who must write off the loss or pass it on to patients who have insurance. Republicans these days really have no ability to think anything through beyond cut services and aid to the poor and cut taxes for those who have more than they're likely to ever spend.

                • 12 votes
                #3.4 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:56 PM EST

                Oh Amy, that's terrible. You must be beside yourself with anger and disappointment. How tragic.

                • 9 votes
                #3.5 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:18 PM EST
                Reply

                Wow 84 Billion...cut from this years budget. What budget? Hey Barry, just put off your 50 Billion Infrastructure bill until we have a budget...that will ease the pain.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#4 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:12 PM EST

                JFK, I disagree with your point. The bill is important. We need jobs and we need to fix a whole lot of infrastructure.

                • 11 votes
                #4.1 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:46 PM EST

                Ur an idiot! If we had that bill going, there would be so many more employed, you know, to pay taxes? I guess thats something you know nothing about, eh???

                • 6 votes
                #4.2 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:52 PM EST

                whoops. nevermind.

                • 8 votes
                #4.3 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:04 PM EST

                BCWC, now that's what I call a response! LoL!

                • 8 votes
                #4.4 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:07 PM EST

                The whoops part was a post that I hastily deleted as it was misdirected.

                • 6 votes
                #4.5 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:27 PM EST
                Reply

                Okay here's the plan...

                We'll say it's no big deal, but if anything bad does happen, we'll say it was his idea in the first place...

                Brilliant!

                It's like the old Laurel and Hardy comedies, where Ollie says "...and no one will be any the wiser..."

                and you know how that turns out...

                • 8 votes
                Reply#5 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:16 PM EST

                Too funny!!!

                • 2 votes
                #5.1 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:56 PM EST
                Reply

                Banksters and corporations got bailed out at the beginning of the recession, most of them are flush with cash. It's time for them to show gratitude, to stand up and show up and put money into investment. When the economy rises, revenues go up, there will be enough money for most everything...it's called 'invest and grow' strategy which worked in the 1990s, at least.

                If these bankers and corporations refuse, they then will show that they are just bunch of clunkers; and bailing them out is like 'cash for clunkers.'

                • 7 votes
                Reply#6 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:19 PM EST

                Sequester cliff ... I note cliff is no longer in use. I guess something is going to fall off this time ... unlike the last time.

                • 11 votes
                Reply#7 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:20 PM EST

                I am reading my cat scan...right now. I see catnip - nicotined catnip

                • 3 votes
                #7.1 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:25 PM EST

                I see you in a blanket of sauerkraut.

                • 5 votes
                #7.2 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:39 PM EST

                sour what?

                sour pussy cat?

                • 3 votes
                #7.3 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:42 PM EST

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.”

                ― Winston Churchill

                ... we need a dog to make a happy band of three.

                • 5 votes
                #7.4 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:43 PM EST

                Now I want to be a ...... DOG.

                because I look uo to .... GOD

                • 2 votes
                #7.5 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:45 PM EST

                don't be a pig...I mean...a pig's life is not good.

                In another news, Drew Peterson was just sentenced to jail for 38 years. I have to wait that long for my next husband? My life (a pig's life) will not be good...for another 38 years.

                • 4 votes
                #7.6 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:06 PM EST

                Pigotry - even pigs wouldn't lay down with Drew Peterson. And, if they EVER put him in general population - he won't make it 38 years! I'm not saying he deserves that but.....

                • 6 votes
                #7.7 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:13 PM EST

                My life (a pig's life) will not be good...for another 38 years.

                Pig ... stew on it for a while.

                • 4 votes
                #7.8 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:20 PM EST

                blackcatwhitecat:

                since we have been on this vine for some time with our other lib friends, I tend to think that you are closer to me, a pig. I tend to imagine you as one or both of the following:

                .

                (A) a kitty pig, or

                (B) a piggish cat?

                (C) both

                .

                Which do you prefer? A multiple choice.

                • 3 votes
                #7.9 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:44 PM EST

                D

                • 2 votes
                #7.10 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:58 PM EST

                #7.10

                D for Depraved (kitty pig)?

                • 2 votes
                #7.11 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:53 PM EST
                Reply

                hi, blackcatwhitecat

                Sequester cliff ... I note cliff is no longer in use.

                I consulted my cliffnotes, it's still in use. (Merry Cliff-mess to the GOP.)

                • 3 votes
                Reply#8 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:30 PM EST

                Pigums ... you are hopelessly incurable, irrecoverably irredeemable, irreformably irremediable, irretrievably unrecoverable, and unredeemably incorrigible.

                • 4 votes
                #8.1 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:15 PM EST

                bcwc - but fun!

                • 2 votes
                #8.2 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:17 PM EST

                Hey, blackcatwhitecat (#8.1):

                Pigums ... you are hopelessly incurable, irrecoverably irredeemable, irreformably irremediable, irretrievably unrecoverable, and unredeemably incorrigible.

                What? What a waste: Just describing me as 'wordy' or 'piggish' is enough..

                • 3 votes
                #8.3 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:30 PM EST

                don't get priggish on me ... take the compliment as a condiment for ribs. Pigpuns in the pigpens.

                • 2 votes
                #8.4 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:40 PM EST

                sounds like someone just got a new thesaurus

                • 1 vote
                #8.5 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:18 PM EST
                Reply

                They may stand up, but they won't say anything useful! They may speak up, but they will only spin it to be the Presidents fault! They are the problem!!!

                • 7 votes
                Reply#9 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:55 PM EST

                All i can say for the republican party at this point is that Monks don't try to pull everyone into the fire with them when they self-immolate... They should act more like Monks.

                • 6 votes
                Reply#10 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:21 PM EST

                "The only thing standing in the way of prosperity right now are the games being played by Republicans in Congress threatening to enter the sequester that will hurt the middle class, shrink job growth, and put us back into economic turmoil," said Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin, chairman of the Democratic Governors Association.

                This says it all.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#11 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 4:34 PM EST

                It is quite a spectacle watching The Boehner and his posse stand on stage, thinking that chanting Obama's Sequester over and over is going to change the massive, negative public opinion the Tea Bag party owns.

                • 3 votes
                Reply#12 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:56 PM EST

                Make a person who would be a good Third world leader president of a country like the US and you got it made!!!!

                • 1 vote
                Reply#13 - Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:21 PM EST

                I think all these political games by both parties is getting old. I like the reporting here, like a true professional Stacey Klein gets both sides of the story. Wait a minute, only one side is given here. That's true reporting.

                Like I always have said, the editor says go report this story, not go and get the story. I'm not saying for a second the Republicans are correct in this matter. No matter what goes on, you still roport both sides in a story. The Rebublican's have an agenda they push for their voter's, no matter how insane the objective, as do the Democrat's. If you don't push what you ran on, you don't get re-elected.

                Yes, I am a Republican and proud of it. Well until these past recent years. The games have got to stop, and I'm talking both parties. My brother is a Union Rep and a stong democrat, as I used to be. I am shocked that living in a Socialist Union doesn't bother him in the least. He make's all kinds of excuse's to make it sound OK, it's all big business's fault. If the Government waste's a dollar he get's all bent out of shape. But this GM buyout will cost the taxpayer's at least 12 billion dollars, and he say's nothing about that. He won't conceide that the Government should never had taken ownership of the stock's. Banks take collaterall, why can't our Government?

                200 plus years our nation has been a free Democrtic nation, now that statement just isn't true anymore. Where is the outrage in this FACT! Boogles my mind what people argue over, then leave important issues hanging out. I never thought or ever wanted to live in a Socialist Government nation, yet here we are. Yet we argue over an Issue we know that even if it's not reached in tme, they will write a little bill to override all the increase's that is to come 3/1/13. They will get it done, or retro act some bill. This has happened before, unfortunatly. And it won't be the last. So Comrade, I ask you, are you realy happy living in The United Socialist States of America? Or is that not an important issue since it happened under a Democarat? Just asking.

                • 1 vote
                Reply#14 - Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:39 AM EST

                Gee, sounds dire. You'd think if it was REALLY going to be this catastrophic he would have done something about earlier for the good of the country and the middle class and the air traffic controllers and..... Oh but wait......that's something you'd expect from a leader, not from a community organizer.

                  Reply#15 - Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:23 AM EST

                  Lets see. We will have forest fires, food shortages, interruption of air travel, anal seepage and God knows what else according to the White House. All this because we will be spending $14 billion MORE than last year if the sequester happens. How is spending more constitute draconian cuts? Chicago fear tactics politics at it's finest.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#16 - Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:00 AM EST

                  Crying now? Waiting to hear what these Dem governor's say when the Obamacare 100% support drops off and their states will have to take more and more of the financial impact!!!!

                  Like Obama, they figure they will be out of office and out of mind when it all hits the public. Typical LIbs, kick the can and let someone else worry about the problem rather than taking the stand to fix problems. I think it is a Democratic plank to have a good time at taxpayer expense and complain to distract from failures in office!!!

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#17 - Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:19 AM EST

                  Seems people are trying to get things done. The democrats refuse to let anything good happen. If they let anyone improve life here then their lie will fall apart.They put us in the shape we are in. Small businesses are worse than ever. We are in a slow fall now. But they keep showing numbers saying it's getting better. You can tell a tree by the fruit it bares. We have less business and more food stamps. We have more tax and less people paying them. We have more cost for health care and less medical waste reform. We have 195,000 people dying from medical error and guarantee them pay from their friends the insurance companies at the cost of the people. They are killing the poor and middle class for the good of the super rich. But with so many words they turn it around to look like the hero. The money of the super rich is so tied up in tax shelters they will not see most of the taxes. Time will tell. The lie looks good on paper, but we know when you spend money you don't have and can't get. Nothing good can come from it. When the child who blows money is trying to get more money from the parent who earns it. They try to make it look good even if it's not. But it's just that, a childish idea to not face up to the cost of things.

                    Reply#18 - Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:23 PM EST
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