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Subscribe to RSSThe League of Conservation Voters called last Congress’ Republican-controlled House of Representatives the worst in history for the environment Wednesday while unveiling its 2012 National Environmental Scorecard.
“The best that can be said about the 112th House is that it’s over,” said Tiernan Sittenfeld, the group’s senior vice president of government affairs.
The organization accused the House of attacking environmental laws that the public has come to rely on to protect wildlife and natural resources.
“The House leadership passed through assaults on our natural heritages,” said Sara Chieffo, LCV’s legislative director.
Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR), who was the only member of Congress to receive a perfect 100 score from the group, called the scorecard “a powerful tool” to promote citizen involvement.
“If people think they [natural disasters] are happening by coincidence, they should go buy some lottery cards,” he said.
The 2012 scorecard rates members of Congress on a scale of 0 to 100, based on what it sees as the most significant environmental votes in the House and Senate, Chieffo said.
There were 14 scored votes in the Senate and 35 in the House, matching the most recorded in the House in a year. It averaged one anti-environmental vote for every day it was in session in 2011 and the first half of 2012, according to a minority report from the Committee on Energy and Commerce released in June 2012.
Of the 1,100 legislative roll-call votes taken in the House since the beginning of 2011, 19 percent – almost one out of every five – were votes the minority saw as undermining environmental protection.
While the 112th House had a “polluter-driven agenda,” as LCV calls it, the Senate and the Obama administration blocked those initiatives, Sittenfeld said.
Many of the 14 votes in the Democratic-controlled Senate were to rebuke bills passed by the House, she added. The actions included passing a bill in January 2011 to help eliminate lead in drinking water and rejecting a proposal in July 2012 to prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from implementing clean-air standards for lead, arsenic, and other toxics
The environmental organization also applauded the Obama administration for its executive actions, such as establishing a Gulf Coast Ecosystem Restoration Task Force in September 2012 and a National Ocean Council in July 2010.
The group is optimistic about the current House, because many new members have generally been more open to environmental issues, Sittenfeld said.
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Gallup (Jan 7-10, 2013) Congressional Approval-Disapproval:
14%-81% with 5% unsure
Approval by Party ID:
Republicans = 6%, Democrats = 15% and Independents = 17%
2012 average approval = 15% which is the lowest since Gallup started tracking Congressional approval ratings, 38 years ago.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/159812/congress-begins-2013-approval.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=Politics
Least productive congress ever will be the 112th
Years … Congress – Bills Passed
1996/1997 … 104th – 333 (old record)
2007/2008 … 110th – 460
2009/2010 … 111th – 383
2011/2012 … 112th – 220 (new record)
Least productive and the dirtiest. Good riddance ... we need more of you to be gone as well.
Hopefully the 113th will learn a lesson or two from the 112th on what NOT to do .... when they get back to their jobs that is ....
Anyone would think, that protecting wildlife would be very important to those who love to hunt and fish.
But I guess they don't care, at least, not yet.
The 112th Congress was full of polluters with poisonous rhetoric and toxic attitudes....looks like the 113th won't be much better!
Somehow I sense the liberals will blame the republicans solely on the lack of achievement. When has the Senate been given immunity in this? Who controls the Senate? I would love to see the towering stack of bills and legislation stacked on Hairy Reed's table that has never even been looked at. I'd pay for a photograph of that stack, if only to throw in the faces of the liberals that have nothing but contempt for republicans due to their partisan hatred.
While Commodus holds the executive branch and half of congress is occupied by card carrying members of the CCCP and its a surprise why this congress sucks?
Right along with 90% of America!
And the idiots continue to drive their clown car full speed ahead over the cliff - Thelma & Louis style...
Dennis, what's troubling is I don't think the TPers care because their goal is to "disappear" government and if turning democracy into a joke and kiilling government's ability to function is how they achieve it, doesn't bother them in the least.
edgarw, the Senate passed legislation which died in the House but if you're looking to blame the Senate on why more wasn't done, blame the GOP Senate filibuster--McConnell filibustered even his own bill. The GOP House is the problem, or at least the Tea Party members of the House and the Senate filibusters are the problem.
Since the 112th Congress began: There have been 110 anti-environment votes taken by the House.
Including blocks to bills that address:
climate change (20)
air and water pollution (28)
clean energy (22)
Worst? One whiff of Culus Granitus and they will be searching for a new superlative.
The worst ever in a bunch of catagorys, including all of the above.
Corrrrrection @ #1.8.
My info was from July 2011....House anti-environment votes are probably DOUBLE that now.
Wow.
Dear Environmentalists,
GFY.
Thanks.
I mean, thanks for your hard work. Al G. is proud.
Pichku you.
[While Commodus holds the executive branch and half of congress is occupied by card carrying members of the CCCP and its a surprise why this congress sucks?]
Allen West, is that you?!?
Might this be why 55% of people holding Ph.d's voted to reelect President Obama? Educated people do seem to care an awful lot about science, the globe, the survival of the species...
This is food for the fodder. Liberal ideologists love this sort of information. Anything to bring justification to their hatred is the best news available. The headlines could read... "The 112th House Throws a Pebble into the Atlantic Ocean," and the liberals would find a way to jump all over them for some sort of environmental infraction. The unrealistic finger pointing coming from the left is what is tearing this country apart.
You have Obama blaming the republicans for EVERYTHING and the sheep believing every word coming from his mouth. The sky is falling and it's all the republican's fault. Liberals have no sense of priority because they are so enamored by the Liar in Chief. The one question they fail to ask themselves is... What is Obama doing to fix the economy other than blame republicans for everything that's wrong? Obama has a long history of nothing but blame someone else and the liberals refuse to see it. How pathetic.
Amy B-
With huge margins like that you would think O would be more productive. Damn HoR.
Liberals are funny that way, caring about reality, science, the economic implications of a warming planet, droughts, increased extreme weather, and all.
TRoosevelt: It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
Teddy Roosevelt and Conservation:
In the early twentieth century, President Theodore Roosevelt was a dynamic force in a relatively new movement known as conservationism. During his presidency, Roosevelt made conservation a major part of his administration. As the new century began, the frontier was disappearing. Once common animals were now threatened. Many Americans, including Roosevelt, saw a need to preserve the nation's natural resources. He wanted to protect animals and land from businesses that he saw as a threat. Roosevelt said, "the rights of the public to the natural resources outweigh private rights, and must be given its first consideration."
By the end of his time as president, he had created five national parks, four game refuges, fifty-one national bird reservations as well as the National Forest Service. It could be said that Theodore Roosevelt, through laws, executive orders, and his strong personality, opened the nation's eyes to the natural wonders of the land. Roosevelt had changed the attitude of America.
As we begin the twenty-first century, conservation is once again an issue that the United States faces.
http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/politics-reform/resources/theodore-roosevelt-and-conservation
GREAT POST, PAT BOSTON!
You would think that CONSERVatives would be in favor of CONSERVation . . . but not so much anymore; only conserving the tax deductions, yachts, and mansions of the 1%.
and the 112th Congress as worst ever? well, so far, but sad to say, the jusry is still out, because it looks like the 113th might be even worse, as hard as that is to believe!
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FORWARD! :-)
Amy, liberals may be funny that way, but how much of what they believe actually holds water? This earth has been around for eons. Do you actually believe that humans can do much damage to it? I personally believe the liberals give humans way too much credit. Can we be dirty? Sure we can, just look at a preteen's bedroom. Can we be messy? Yep. Took a while to clean up the great lakes after Bethlehem Steel dumped their trash into them... The funny thing about humans is, we can and do clean up after ourselves. Even the air pollution situation is self correcting. There is no absolute proof that CO2 is harming the environment. In fact, plants thrive on the stuff.
Weather events are sensationalized. We still have hot summers and cold winters and will for years and years to come. There is no absolute proof the temperature is rising or we'd still be on the global warming kick... how come the PC advisers changed the name to climate change, instead of global warming? It sells better.
The one thing I'd like to ask liberals... How come you are so concerned about climate change for future generations, but have no concern over our government leaving Trillions of dollars of debt for our children and grandchildren? What will impact them more?
Wednes. February 20, 2013 President Obama Unveils New Jobs Plan
Investing in infrastructure not only makes our roads, bridges, and ports safer and allows our businesses and workers to be as competitive as they need to be in the global economy, it also creates thousands of good American jobs that cannot be outsourced. Since the President took office four years ago, America
has begun the hard work of rebuilding our infrastructure. But there’s more to do, and that’s why the President’s plan ensures that the money we invest in infrastructure is spent wisely by adopting a “fix-it-first” policy.
Repair and maintenance of our existing roads, bridges and public transportation systems should take priority before we consider investing in new facilities. This will ensure that our cities are safer and more modern. But taxpayers shouldn’t have to shoulder the entire burden either. We also know
that Amrica works best when we’re tapping the resources and ingenuity of a vibrant private sector.
That’s why the President’s infrastructure plan calls for a Rebuild America Partnership that will attract private capital to build the infrastructure our businesses need most. By acting on the President’s plan, together we can prove that there is no better place to do business and create jobs than right here in
the United States of America.
Investing in a “fix-it-first” policy: The President’s plan will immediately invest $50 billion in our nation’s transportation infrastructure, with $40 billion targeted to the most urgent upgrades and focused on fixing our highways, bridges, transit systems, and airports most in need of repair.
Attracting private investment through a “Rebuild America Partnership”: The President’s plan will partner federal, state, and local governments with businesses and private capital to provide America with the best transportation, electric, water, and communications networks in the world.
Cutting red tape: The President’s plan will cut timelines in half for infrastructure projects and create
incentives for better outcomes for communities and the environment through a historic modernization of agency permitting and review regulations, procedures, and policies.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/02/20/fact-sheet-president-s-plan-make-america-magnet-jobs-investing-infrastru
Edgar, Edgar,Edgar, another two hat trying to make sense of a great big world. Of course you do realize that is two words that essentially mean the same thing, Right? Lets see global warming means that planet earth is warmer then it used to be. Climate change is the RESULT of this global warming. Its not meant to trick even a conservative. It is in that stage now and moving at an alarming rate. This is what makes most scientist believe it is heightened by mans addiction to fossil fuels. I sometimes wonder when you deniers will stop denying what is happening. Will the sea water be up to your neck?
Here is something to think about, if I am wrong the worst side effect is we move to greener fuels, and our earth is cleaned up a bit for the next few generations, whoa wait, there is another side, if your wrong your children's children end up living in a plastic dome and never gets to breath fresh air. Do you really want to gamble on the future?
Johntho - one word for you. PROOF. How long have we been recording global temperatures? Somewhere less than 100 years. How old is the earth? Some say billions of years. Somehow in this short period of recording, it doesn't lend to an iota of proof that we are now warmer than we've ever been.
For every scientist that says we are warming, there are an equal amount of scientists that say the opposite.
For your information, the seas haven't risen one bit. The way liberals act, you'd think the great flood will be repeating itself in... what did Al Gore say... in ten years... that was over 10 years ago.
If you are wrong, what will it cost us to move to greener fuels? Considering we are still in the oil stage of our evolution, why are you trying to move us along without warrant? Just how much money did Obama lose by investing in green energy? Is that a cost we are supposed to endure just because some people have the panic mode in place?
If I'm wrong about the economy, our children will be living lush lives with no fear of our economy failing. That is a much higher priority than some pie in the sky, fanciful desire to see the earth come crumbling down due to flood waters that will never get past our beaches.
Do you have some proof to back that up?
See, science says otherwise;
Let me know if you would like some more valid sources, plenty more I'd love to share!
Keep your head firmly planted in the sand...
Do you think your precious children are going to give a @!$%# about debt & deficit, when there is no water to drink or clean air to breath?
Mother Earth has had enough of greedy bastards raping and pillaging her!
The Constitution created 3 separate but equal branches of government...except when Little Caesar wants to criticize both the President and the Senate in which case the President is in charge of the Senate.
...except when the President proposes anything in which case he's overstepping his authority and trying to be King?
Damn, I don't know how you Conservatives keep track of all of that.
Liar!!! This planet is only 6000 years old! Just ask Congressman Todd Akin.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL - you are looking for proof? Go to your local beach. Other than sand erosion, the water is the same height as it was last year, the year before, the year before that, back until you were born. You can find your own proof to the statement just by observation. Just like the main stream media, the government shapes it's information to provide food for those who want to believe everything they tell them. I simply don't fall for their lies and manipulations. I judge by what I see. I marked a pier 10 years ago at high tide. The water level hasn't changed one bit at high tide. Feel free to listen to anyone you want. I'll believe the rising waters when it goes above my mark.
Once again, you are looking for an environmental fantasy while our economy is being totally ignored by those on the left. Amazing how your eyes can be so open to any infusion of environmental information and so blind about our country facing economic disasters beyond our belief.
Mother earth? Really now. How many offspring has Mother Earth had? Do you really think Mother Earth minds us removing oil, coal, natural gas and other elements from OUR planet? Has she told you this?
How we are going to lose water, since it rains so much, or air that is abundant? I guess you forget that this "Mother Earth" has self cleaning mechanisms built in to purify the environment. They call them the change of seasons. rain, snow, wind, lightening and so many more that impact our environment. I'm sure to the liberal mind, none of these have any meaning... A one way drum beat... believe as I do, or I will call you names. Common sense has somehow evaporated.
Da Noid, it's pretty simple. We don't follow any of what you said. The president is not the president of the Senate. It's actually the Vice President. Look it up.
edgarw - "the earth has been around for eons. Do you believe humans can do much damage?" Are you missing every ounce of brain matter you were born with? OF COURSE humans can do that much damage.
The CO2 polution alone is destroying the air. Humans have raped the rainforest which in turn impacts the environment. There is an island of plastic floating in the ocean a solid square mile in mass, which in turn is killing the fish.
And, you, in your infinite wisdom, believe this is NOT destroying the planet? What fantasy world do you live in?
Oh, and you frickin moron - it isn't OUR planet! It actually belongs to Mother Earth - we're just leasing it for the time being.
Da Noid
Liar!!! This planet is only 6000 years old! Just ask Congressman Todd Akin.
Are you a follower of Todd Akin Da Noid? Since you said liar, it appears as you must be.
Eddie,
I give you 3 reputable sources, explaining the causes of the rise in sea levels and your answer to me is "go to my local beach"??? lmao
You're excused, I don't waste my time with science deniers.
Better yet, keep up firmly planted up your ass, with your eyes closed, fingers in your ears, singing LALALALALA!
Sadly, you have demonstrated you wouldn't recognize it if he slapped you across the face!
Thanks for playing...
Seeking,
These cowardly dumb@!$%#s will be running over women and children to get to the lifeboats first! ;o)
If we continue down our current trajectory, there will be a time when water is more valuable than, gold or gas...
Stop with the barnyard expletive Edger, your coming all over yourself. You ask for proof, here's an idea, go look at the pictures of the polar ice caps that are shrinking. Try that communist magizine, National Graphic website, Edger for crying out loud, shut up, makes you appear stupid to use all the Koch bros. slogans. Edger, oil company scientist aside, there are not more scientist that believe it isn't true. Dumps fill up eventually, its time to stop dumping on planet earth and you can only make it worse with you ignorance, You certainly cannot make it any better.
Seeking Sanity - I have had many discussions with those who disagree with me without any insult. I can't say the same about you. I can tell you are a hateful individual who does NOT know how to have an adult conversation... in other words a waste of time. Goodbye.
Dismal numbers for all but at least Democrats and Independants have 2 1/2 times better approval than the Republicans. Just watch John McCain at at town hall dealing with racist bigots against any type of immigration in Arizona. I felt sorry for him. They think it is ok to kill, I repeat KILL, illegals. They think they are all on welfare. What a bunch of ugly haters he had to deal with. The GOP has created a monster in its conservative ranks.
edgarw - oh, and a filthy environment will impact our children more than any debt ever can. If you don't realize that you are truly a lost cause - but a good little Republican!
Oh and edgar - you're a liar - look at your response to DaNoid. I rest my case! Can you say HYPOCRITE????? So much for your "adult" conversation! LOL!
Say, Eddie -- Did you also mark the NYC subway system with your handy dandy ruler?
Tell us oh wise one, when was the last time it flooded before Super-storm Sandy?
*jeopardy music playing*
@edgarw,
Somehow I sense the liberals will blame the republicans
Beginning a conversation in that way immediately creates divisions.
Liberal idealists
What, no mention of Conservative idealists?
See what I mean?
I looked out today at the cute little dinosauers scampering around - playing with the Tasmanian wolf and Caspian Tiger, chasing the dodo birds and the Carolina Parakeets and frollicking in the surf with the Great Auks. Because, as we know, protecting these creatures is foolish - Mother nature can take care of them!
Eight of the worlds most endangered places:
http://www.ouramazingplanet.com/134-8-of-the-worlds-most-endangered-places.html
@Seeking,
I remember playing Cowboys and Dinosaurs as a kid.
No one wanted to be a Dinosaur...
Fiesty Redhead Roselle, IL... since you have chosen a name of endearment for me, I will just call you Feist... a term of endearment. Seems fair enough.
Do you really attribute a storm that happened to track a path to NYC and flood the subway system as real rising tides? Come on, I think you probably have better sense than that. If you flood any low lying area through an event, you will get flooding. It doesn't mean the tides are rising. It means the event caused the flooding. Had Sandy never occurred, the subway system would be dry. Water will always seek it's own level... BTW, that's scientific.
You are stretching Feist. Hurricanes happen every year. Many land on the east coast of the US. This has been happening since before recorded weather reports. As much as people would like to believe Sandy was an unnatural event... they really need to study up on why hurricanes occur and what is their driving force. Man cannot control them, nor do they cause them.
When the Corps of Engineers figure out a way to remove the water from the subways, they will be just as dry as they were the day before Sandy struck.
Here's an idea. Get a shovel, dig a hole in your back yard. Turn on the garden hose and point the stream of water at the hole you dug. Will the water fill up the hole or not? Same principle. Nothing to do with Climate Change.
Feisty - people like edgar will not believe facts - they always know better, even when they know nothing at all. The most respected scientists of every country are warning about the damage we are doing to the planet but edgar KNOWS better!
You can't argue with people who don't care about reality.
@edgarw,
I'm from Cleveland, Ohio where the Cuyahoga River infamously caught on fire because of all the pollutants that had been dumped into it for years.
Lake Erie was on the verge of death.
Your "garden hose streaming water into a hole in your backyard" analogy is interesting.
If you pour toxic crap into a hole you dug in your backyard, you are very likely to get (at least) a headache...
...and give your neighbors one, as well...
for a long time to come.
You're right Ed's - damn those bums for having a water balloon fight that caused that massive flooding! lol
Says a guy whose only proof is his magic marker and ruler...
Explain why they are strengthening in intensity then?
I'll leave the hole digging to you there little buddy, you're doing a mighty fine job so far.
Carry on...
Seeking -- but it is fun sometimes to drag them out of their basement and into the light! ;o)
Bali Bob... The liberals do nothing but blame republicans. You haven't heard me cast one bit of blame at the democrats. The writings on this board, the mainstream media and the President himself have blamed republicans continually. Considering this, what I said was correct. Washington is broken, broke and out on a limb but somehow, the liberals want to state the republicans are completely at fault without looking at their contributions to this nations problems.
@edgarw,
Washington (and this Country) is in trouble because somehow many people been reduced to shouting at each other and calling each other names ("Liberals" vs "Conservatives" eg) instead of speaking with each other.
Witness John McCain being heckled at a Town Hall meeting yesterday as an example of how far it's gone.
(sorry not savvy enough to provide a link, but should easy enough to find.)
Here you go darling;
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=newssearch&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCoQqQIoADAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.npr.org%2Fblogs%2Fthetwo-way%2F2013%2F02%2F20%2F172494151%2Fsen-john-mccain-faces-angry-town-hall-over-immigration-platform&ei=TmUlUZOWE8mC2AWA24G4Aw&usg=AFQjCNE7fj9H4hZzku2b9GDpE0eCD22V9w
Feist - Hurricanes are strengthening in intensity? Really? It seems to me that each hurricane has it's own number... over the past few years, there have been very few 5's. More 3's and quite a few 2's. How's that considered strengthening? Because Sandy happened to be a powerful hurricane that hit in the northern part of the country, a sense of panic has developed. Talk to the people in Florida, Louisiana and Texas about storm intensity. There are a lot of factors that create the storms strength. The main force of the storm comes from the water's heat. The heat of the originating water in the Carribean has not fluxuated from year to year very much.
I guess it would if we placed great big blast furnaces on the water but from what I have been taught is the heat of the water is generated by the sun.
I apologize for using so much common sense because I know you totally rely on information from an agenda driven government agency.
[Other than sand erosion, the water is the same height as it was last year, the year before, the year before that...]
...*face palm*...
@Feisty,
Here you go, darling;
Wow, that was fast! Thanks!
Hey, while I got you here ( off topic I know but have to ask) did you catch the Tea Party portrayal of Karl Rove as a high-ranking SS officer?
Wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes...
Trust me pal, you have NOTHING to apologize for! lol
As opposed to YOU a self-professed science denier? Thank you for proving you didn't even bother to look at the links I provided.
On that note - I'm finished with you, you are not worthy of my time!
Micks - ***DOUBLE FACE PALM***! Further evidence you cannot fix stupid!
Bali Bob,
Anytime my friend! Apologies for the super long link, it wouldn't allow me to copy the "shortcut"! ;o)
edgar - you've posted no common sense - just the comments of someone who clearly is refusing to admit the problems this planet faces because it doesn't fit your "hypothesis." Unfortunately your hypothesis has no legs as it is based on some fantasy of non-existent facts.
Try again!
Bali Bob - I totally agree with you. If people would try to be more civil to each other through their differences we'd be much better off. I am as sarcastic as hell, but it's not to be confused with insults. I use sarcasm as a tool to shake up the thought process. I try to ignore insults, but won't tolerate someone coming out of the gate with them. The way I figure it, those who continually insult aren't interested in a discussion... they are only interested in put downs... and will fail to learn anything through discussion.
@ Pat
Any federal money used in federal roads, bridges, etc. are prevailing wage jobs. Having worked in the road building industry, I can assure you of one thing. The jobs will have overruns. Always do. That money will hardly cover2 or 3 bridges
Here's the names of hurricanes for 2013........
What's in a name.....time will tell!
@edgarw,
I believe in Reason above all else (snark and sarcasm is cool too). I love discourse as well. I fear, however, that the well of discourse has been poisoned... and it can be damned difficult to see through the murk.
@chilled,
What's in a name
What, no Xavier, Yolanda and Zippy?
... and a few other geological factors. But let's say you were taught well for your day. Let us then bring the night into question ... heat comes in by day and goes out by night but we seem to have developed a balance problem in that our C02 emissions are acting as a glass lid on the pot. This keeps the sea a tad warmer and the next day it warms up a tad more. Slow to be sure but hey the grand-kids can deal with it and more than likely at a price a tad more than 16 trillion.
You're right Bali.....Stopped at Wendy....maybe the calculation is we won't need those.
I kinda like zippy de do da!
Zappas, you worked in the road building industry? Seriously, good for you.
Anyway, I'm happy about this announcement from the White House. This country is falling apart, don't you agree? We can't just do nothing about it.
edgar - my two cents - we need some leaders in the GOP who are willing to put aside their campaign and work with the other side of the aisle. No one is really stepping up to the plate to show some leadership. They're afraid of losing their next election. But if they don't start getting serious, they're not going to win the White House.
This could be a sort of profiles in courage moment for some republicans. People in this country have always liked that trait in politicians, particularly those wanting to run for the presidency.
@chilled,
I kinda like zippy de do da!
Zippy de yay!
Feisty, thanks for the links on climate change. Interesting stuff.
[I can assure you of one thing. The jobs will have overruns. Always do.]
Um no, they don't "always do". Of THAT I can assure you.
If your infrastructure job has so many overruns that it ends up costing YOU more money and not the contractor) for failing to meet his contract obligations), then you simply didn't do your homework, especially on a project as large as a bridge, and have no business being involved in putting together the god damed bid package in the first place.
! see Bali Bob and Chilled are into the Dave Clark Five
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmDtJC3zPo4
@BCWC,
I see Bali Bob and Chilled are into the Dave Clark Five
Did the Dave Clark Five do Disney?
Holy crap, just went there, that's too good! Thanks, BCWC! I have to learn how to post links..
Bali,
I am the only person in N.A. who has not done Disney.
Louis Armstrong has a good version also.
I too thought it was from some Disney movie, Bali.....
I can see someone, can't remember who, skipping along, amid flowers, singing......
I'm too lazy to look it up......but my oh my what a beautiful/wonderful day....or something!
Spent 18 years providing culverts for private, city, county, state, and federal jobs in Washington, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, & Utah. There is a big problem in the engineering areas in road building, as there are many of these degreed engineers who have not a hint of practical experience whatsoever. They draw cartoons that in theory work, however, when it comes to the actual applications, there are usually issues. What you most likely get from them is, we've studied this for years, and we know what we're doing. Well a classroom may give you some math, calculus, and art experience, it is less than efficient experience.
BTW I'm now in the banking industry for the last 7 years. In defending my work, our bank never took any bailout money, didn't sell to people who couldn't qualify, and are one of the better capitalized banks in the country.
@chilled,
Zippy de do da. Zippy de yay. My, oh my, what a wonderful day.
I remember a bear singing that in a Disney movie.
Protect your right to arm bears.
@BCWC,
Have a soft spot for Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful World".
Bali Bob -- we are at the point where the inmates are officially running the asylum! Could not happen to a better bunch of nuts!
PS: Pat in Boston - as always, you are welcome! ☺
Sorry was responding to Pat
Speaking of the climate change stuff. Did anyone see that NOVA show "Earth from Space"? Hell, if only Edgar would have watched.
BTW I'm now in the banking industry for the last 7 years. In defending my work, our bank never took any bailout money, didn't sell to people who couldn't qualify, and are one of the better capitalized banks in the country.
Zappas, that must make you very proud after what we've been through with the banking industry. Good for you for being able to find a company to work for you can be proud of.
As for the President's Job Bill, I'm optimistic as it will get a lot of people back to work doing one of the most crucial of all jobs - fixing what's been broken for way too many years.
Bali, oh bali
a singing bear, guess he never met Mama Grizzly
......and bear arms! Yikes, bears with arms......lol
@ Feisty......I did see that clip of Rove in the SS uniform....that TeaPeople group, I think apologized, and took it down......Too Late!
@Feisty,
Could not happen to a better bunch of nuts!
Agree. I call Karma. The GOP brought this on themselves by drinking the toxic Tea.
To quote an old story: they knew it was a snake when they picked it up.
Now the monster they helped to create wants to destroy itself. Truly bizarre...
zappas - not only did edgarw not watch, he won't converse with you because you actually talk facts - and not the nonsense he posts. He only wants to pontificate but will never consider that his "facts" don't exist except in his own mind. And, we all can point to actual facts that refute everything he posts.
Republicans, thanks to the filibuster. How often does a news story say "it takes 60 votes to pass a bill in the Senate."
And shame on those Democrats who failed to support filibuster reform at the opening of the 113th Congress. You REALLY thought Conservatives would honor a "gentleman's agreement" to soft pedal the filibusters?
OMG I so wish I'd been around to spar with edgarw! Nice job everyone.
Tell you what edgar, if you still want to plant your flag in climate change denial just let me know. Make any argument you wish, I'll be more than happy to counter.
Facts are friendly. I have them. You don't.
The worst, and the least productive and the 113th is following suit. They should all be indicted for sedition and treason.
Well hopefully we will get rid of a lot of them in 2014.
Yep...Democrats included, right?
The League of Conservation Voters?
This extreme right-wingers are having problems- that are mental,
The League of Conservation Voters is a group - that is environ-mental,
It's also bit judge-mental?
That's how a pig (pigotry) pretends to be poetic...
This posting of mine is my latest pig-tale
This is off message, but interesting:
The Scooter Store in New Braunfels, TX gets a serious visit from the DOJ, FBI, TX AG and other law enforcement officials......MEDICARE fraud 100's of millions of dollars...power chairs, scooters, etc.
This is the stuff that President Obama wants to/is stopping......
http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/article/FBI-executes-search-warrant-at-the-Scooter-Store-4293619.php
Chilled, you mean stuff that actually was done in the Bush, W. administration and nothing was done about it?
Wow, is there ANYTHING you can't blame on Bush?
Obama will go down in history as the only president in history to have never been at fault for ANYTHING in the eight years he misled a nation.
paidmyfee - Obama has misled no one. You are misled by believing the lies the far right continues to spoon feed you!
Yup Johntho.
Apparently they half way paid a portion of the small penalty/fine and kept doing business as usual.
Dubya was probably invested in the company.....Sad for those who may honestly need help with mobility.
Paidmyfee --Well, we can blame the 2nd world war on Hitler, the sinking of the titanic on an ice burg, and the Hindenburg on Hydrogen. However, if we are talking about two useless wars for no good cause, two unfunded wars, a half baked drug benefit for seniors, and doubling the national debt and leaving bills that had to be paid for Obama, and an economy headed for the dump, then yes we can blame Bush.
Pay,
You see the denial in all these liberals?? It's astounding!! Forget the fact that both Republican and Democrats voted for the wars and continued to vote for appropriations for the wars in the years since... Forget the fact that it was a Democrat that started the housing bust...need I say more? You are right in that those on the left live in denial to the damage done by this president.
Give Congress credit folks, they are WINNING the war on the environment!
And don't forget, they are first in spending and for increasing the deficit while not passing a budget since when?
Well, the GOP House hasn't passed a "real" budget for two years; and the GOPers in the Senate put holds on and filibustered the budgets the first two years.
And of course, don't forget that not one Democrat voted for Obama's budget last year... That has to tell you something, right?
Now that's funny, even the environmental groups dub the 112th Congress the worst ever. Not for the same reasons the rest of the country thinks the 112th Congress was a total failure but worthy reasons none the less. "The best that can be said....is that it's over"! Trouble is, judging from the progress to date, the 113th Congress might be going for a REPEAT trophy.
Jody: It my eyes it is the the most important reason to dub they the worst. They are the most anti environment group ever. I hope our President stands up to them, and not just on climate change.
@ Jodi
And why wouldn't they. Its not like the State of Idaho has enough federal wilderness land. Just look at a map. Nearly 80% of this state is federal land. But it just isn't enough for some good environmental folks. Lets lock up more of this State. Have them come right on over to Iowa and have them lock up 80% of your state. Oh, and you will love the limitations that go with it. They don't get give rat squat about handicapped people
Ok exito, What is the presidents big plan to save the enviroment??? To tax it....same as all of his ideas....
I am sure that congress' record was worse back in the gilded age...probably...
I don't know what you expect from a congress that has a 10% approval rate and a 95% reelection (recidivist?) rate...
What's that over-used thing about, "insanity"?"
Coming of age and not a gal in sight ... they lied.
Well, what's new. If you put a cooperation upstream, you will have cancer bearing junk down stream all because they want to save a buck over saving life. Americans have to wake up. The war isn't in Afgan or Iraq, it's here, with cooperations changing laws and destroying the pristine of our country for their miserable greed. When they die they will be wrapped in their own injustices because they can't take it with them. And if people think that this is the only life and there isn't a reason to be just and good, i.e. human to all other life then guess what they will become those things they were unjust to in this life,--basically a donkey.
What baloney!!!!
Hey genius...I believe you are trying to say corporation....maybe next time you should cooperate with the spell check....and by the way, you probably bought everything you own from a corporation.
global warming is obviously a hoax. The CO2 actually declines the more we burn fossil fuels, which increase exponentially as we burn them.
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don’t criticize
What you can’t understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin’
Please get out of the new one if you can’t lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin’
I'm fairly sure quite a few House/Senate members don't mind a poor score from the tree hugging crowd. They may want to go back to the stone age, but I'd say the majority prefer modern life.
Just more Liberal hype and junk science... still waiting for Liberals to actually defend man made Global warming instead of just pshawing anyone that questions them.... wht's missing? Open debate... wonder why liberals are so afraid of that... just one lousy prediction based on flawed models after another.... where's my hockey stick??? Fiction... that's all it is... When I went to school, we knew that we were in a warming cycle between glacial cold spells... the guys that really know what's going on are the ones studying the sun... you know the place where all the energy comes from... solar cycles have more to do with climate than any other source by orders of magnitude... second would be earth axis changes... you wee laddies are spit in the ocean... but that's not the purpose of MMGW anyway.. it's to take over the energy sector... Cap and Tax and all of that....
Who cares what a bunch of eco-nazis think anyway?? They don't like anybody....