"severely conservative,"

AKA severely anal.

Sorry Roy -- President Obama won because Mitt Romney was a lousy candidate, (even you Republicans didn't like him all that well) who choose a lousy running mate, then had a lousy convention and followed that up with a lousy campaign.

Auntie Fascist "As I've pointed out here already, I'm a working, home-owning taxpayer with two bachelors degrees and a masters. I've mever so much as collected a dime in unemployment. I voted for Obama - twice! So, take your stereotypes and stick 'em some place the sun doesn't shine!!!!"

And I'm a retired, home-owning taxpayer with two undergraduate degrees and a masters (MBA), and I DIDN'T vote for Obama - twice.

You're merely part of the 43.6 million INCOME TAX PAYING voters that voted for Obama, but 51.5 million of those paying income taxes to support those on welfare voted for Romney.

Wasn't Willard supposed to be the Republican "savior" a few short months ago. The Republicans go through saviors like I go through socks!

Sorry Roy --- we don't have 51.5 million on welfare. Romney didn't lose because of "free stuff. As I said --- LOUSY candidate, running mate, convention and campaign.

Charlie-1915998 "Sorry Roy -- President Obama won because Mitt Romney was a lousy candidate, (even you Republicans didn't like him all that well) who choose a lousy running mate, then had a lousy convention and followed that up with a lousy campaign."

Actually, it was probably Hurricane Sandy that saved Obama (but unlike Hurricane Katrina and the blame placed on Bush, you see very few stories about Obama's failures over Sandy).

But I think that Obama adding an additional 17 million people to the welfare rolls, and then implying that 'Romney will take away your food stamps' is the biggest reason of all.

Charlie-1915998 "Sorry Roy --- we don't have 51.5 million on welfare."

I see that comprehension is not one of your 'long suits'.

The 51.5 million was the number of votes for Romney from those paying income taxes.

The number of people collecting welfare was 47 million, an increase of about 17 million over 2008.

Statistics - According to N Y Times Exit Polls from the election, there were an estimated 31.8 Million voters in the income group averaging under $30,000 per year (Non-Senior, Welfare eligible), and 22.3 Million of them voted for Obama, vs only 9.4 Million for Romney – that's a net gain for Obama of 12.9 million votes, and Obama won overall by less than 5 million votes.

Roy, got any proof those 31.8 million people are getting food stamps? Of course you don't - you prefer assumption over fact.

"Actually, it was probably Hurricane Sandy that saved Obama"

You're delusional. President Obama won every swing state except South Carolina -- just as most polls predicted BEFORE SANDY. If you Republicans ever want to win the White House again, you best stop denying reality, stop making up lame excuses, stop blaming the weather, stop blaming the media and look in the mirror to figure out why so many HARD WORKING people are rejecting you.

RedDevPS "Roy, got any proof those 31.8 million people are getting food stamps? Of course you don't - you prefer assumption over fact."

I never said they all collected welfare - only that those ELIGIBLE for welfare are in the group making under $30,000 per year. The NY Times didn't ask voters if they were getting welfare in their exit polls.

If we could determine how many in that group actually DO collect welfare, I suspect the voting margin in favor of Obama would be even higher.

The right wingers would be better off sending Rafalca, no one would be able to tell the difference of the south end of a north facing horse...

A *dancing* horse is much more entertaining then watching a WillardFish out of water!

Obama adding an additional 17 million people to the welfare rolls

or maybe 17 million people can't find decent paying republican private sector jobs

But Roy, it appears to all that you are very poorly educated. Where did you say all those degrees came from and what were your majors?

Another clown show coming to town, no wonder their party can't get anywhere.

Too much grandstanding at too many conferences/retreats. They simply talk too much and not work enough.

Charlie-1915998 ""Actually, it was probably Hurricane Sandy that saved Obama"...You're delusional."

Actually, most of the major polls had Romney with a slight advantage until Hurricane Sandy, after which Obama managed to look 'Presidential', and the momentum switched.

Even that staunch Democratic apologist Chris Matthews said he thanked Hurricane Sandy for helping Obama win;

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/260976-chris-matthews-thank-god-for-hurricane-sandy.html

"I never said they all collected welfare - only that those ELIGIBLE for welfare"

Roy -- you're watering down your statements more and more with every message. Again Roy -- Romney LOST because LOUSY candidate, LOUSY VP pick, LOUSY convention , LOUSY campaign".

Roy Wilson -

But I think that Obama adding an additional 17 million people to the welfare rolls, and then implying that 'Romney will take away your food stamps' is the biggest reason of all.

There are several things wrong with your argument - right off the bat you say Pres. Obama added to the welfare rolls, then changed your argument to food stamps. Which is it?

You can "cherry pick" numbers all you want, but in 2008 and 2012 President Obama received more votes than his opponents amongst those with advanced degrees (Masters, MBA, PhD).

President Obama also had more support from Women, Hispanics, Asians, and almost every other demographic group except for white men. The only reason Romney garnered more votes in the higher income brackets was his huge margin in that group.

Also, it was the policies of GW Bush and the Republicans that led to the increase in Food Stamps - and the growth was mainly in areas that voted Republican!

Your argument is thin, tired, and inaccurate.

To sum up the above...

"I have been told that the grapes on the top of the tree are sour anyway..."

One hopes that Governor Romney doesn't evidence the lack of class he showed in his post election statements...

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/11/16/christie-criticizes-romneys-post-election-comments/

tex2c2 "But Roy, it appears to all that you are very poorly educated. Where did you say all those degrees came from and what were your majors?"

Why, because you don't agree with my conclusions?

For the record, I have two undergraduate degrees in Business (Marketing and Finance) and an MBA in Finance from one of California's 3 largest Universities - while working full-time to support a family.

Will bobby Jindle be there? so he can yell at the audience.....don't be the "DON'T BE THE PARTY OF STUPID".

I'd pay money to see that!

Hey Republicans ---- listen up. I think I have a strategy that may work for you.

Now --- Mitt Romney may have been the best you had and that’s the problem --- he was the best of a horrible, insane, crazy batch. Seriously – Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cane, Newt Gingrich --- as president ---- any of them?? I don’t think so. But that’s all in the past. So let’s look to the 2016 election. This is my advice Republicans --- if you want to have any chance of winning in 2016

• FIND A BETTER CANDIDATE THAN YOU DID IN 2008 AND 2012.

You all have me googling exit polls. I found a good one on USA Today. I'm going with Obama won because he garnered 73.2% of the Asian vote. That, and 54.7% of all women choose to re-elect the President.

http://www.usatoday.com/interactives/news/politics/how-the-race-was-won

For the record, I have two undergraduate degrees in Business (Marketing and Finance) and an MBA in Finance from one of California's 3 largest Universities - while working full-time to support a family.

Here I thought they outlawed those degress from the back of match-book covers?

Majoring in "watch me pull numbers out of my ass" at the University of Beckistan doesn't count!

Sure do junior... sure you do... lol

TNSEVOL "Roy Wilson -There are several things wrong with your argument - right off the bat you say Pres. Obama added to the welfare rolls, then changed your argument to food stamps. Which is it?"

The Obama Administration loosened the welfare policies that helped the extra 17 million to be added to the welfare rolls, so if you want to be technical, let's call it Obama's 'policies'.

As for those groups that voted for Obama, you might also mention that the NY Times exit polls showed that Obama won the 'High School Dropout' demographic by a whopping 63% to 35% margin over McCain in 2008. And McCain won the majority of the 'mature/experienced' voters.

But none of that changes the basic premise of my analysis - That it was the huge number of extra votes that Obama got in the group that included welfare recipients that was the key to his victory.

Romney 2016......the new campaign begins.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL "Here I thought they outlawed those degress from the back of match-book covers?"

And what was your schooling? Apparently it didn't include spelling - It's 'degrees', not 'degress'.

Spell check is easy to use - try it.

Amy B. Portland, ME "You all have me googling exit polls. I found a good one on USA Today. I'm going with Obama won because he garnered 73.2% of the Asian vote"

The Asian votes was too small to make the difference - try the Hispanic vote.

Roy is the Queen of Misinformania and McWhacky-Whack is his lady in waiting.... Both are squealing racist piglets unable to comprehend that all they wallow in was once their own... Enjoy, little piglets!

In other news: Security for the event is on a two-fold mission... They must of course protect these "high level dignitaries" from all the usual external threats, but in addition to those it's been revealed that exceptional measures are also being taken to plan out the avoidance of and response to the very real possibility of implosion... Never before has there been a convergence of so many people that individually suck so bad. The cumulative suck may well be more than the structure itself can stand and it could wad up into a fist-like ball in the wink of an eye.

It's been suggested that they keep all doors and windows open wide and meter the "dignitaries" in & out to control the level of vacuum developed at any given point during the hootenanny. These are dangerous times....

Charlie,

Since Hurricane Sandy is classified as an"act of god" then what you are saying is that god prefered Mr Obama despite the Republicans claiming to be the party of god and family values.

O boy, The ClownCar is almost loaded up & ready to take CPAC by storm. Sarah, Mitt, Rick, Newt,Herman all along for the Ride.

Who knows, maybe Bozo & Homie da Clown of Wayan Brother Fame, will complete:

The Band comes Together for one last "Save the Republican Party From Our Stupid A$$eS Please" Tour!

Hot DaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuM!

You Betcha!

Occupy SoggyBottom!

Wow! Mittens AND Moosalini! They should take their act on the road.

Spell check is easy to use - try it.

Yup!

When you're out of gas, play the spelling police card! lol

Obama increased the number of people dependent on the government for assistance (the number of people getting food stamps, free health care and/or cash aid increased from about 30 million in 2008 to about 47 million in 2012).

There are some slight problems with your argument.

First, George W. Bush added a lot of food stamp recipients:

From FactCheck.org - We asked the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food and Nutrition service for month-by-month figures going back to January 2001. And they show that under President George W. Bush the number of recipients rose by nearly 14.7 million.

Why didn't those folk vote Republican if they were sooo grateful for being put on the dole? McCain only lost the election by 8.6 million votes (66.9 million vs 58.3 million) - 15 million votes would have swung the election Republican. Damned ingrates!

OK, I'm half-way there: my clever fellow Progressives, please help me with the last 2 words (LOL!)

CPAC =

CLOWN

PARADE

A . . .

C . . .

LOL!

.

FORWARD! :-)

"If we could determine how many in that group actually DO collect welfare, I suspect the voting margin in favor of Obama would be even higher."

Roy, you say that likes its a bad thing, would you rather hear that many people, including republicans by the way, are going hungry? If so you are one sick dude. With your abstention from paying your fair share of taxes to support the government to not caring one iota if a kid is hungry, probably not even your own. You are a really poor American. Thats my opinion.

TO: ROY WILSON-336103 who wrote:

"Why did Obama win?..."

Many reasons, for one, he was the best man for the job.

2. Republicans couldn't stop "lying and denying".

3. The American People are all too well aware of the fact that Republicans intentionally stalled our economic recovery, and that Republicans allowed themselves to obsess over President Obama for 4 years non-stop, and therefore could not get the people's business done.

4. Then there was the whole thing about Romney refusing to reveal his Tax Returns.

5. Then that 47%er comment by Romney just ruined it for him, tossed Mitt Robme right out of the "main stream", not to mention "Bain Capital" that robbed all those folks of their jobs AND their retirement money.

KC_NC

OK, I'm half-way there: Progressives, please help me with the last 2 words (LOL!)

CPAC =

CLOWN

PARADE

Action

Committee

[Don't ALL Republican "PACs" end with "Action Committee"?]

Romney never really had the full support of conservatives. He was just the most presentable guy in the GOP race.

Roy, Blame the "welfare" recipients all you want, but they are entitled to vote, just the same as any other citizen. Your argument is the same as saying rich people only voted for Romney because he promised not to raise their taxes.... we all get a vote and we all vote for different reasons.

I have a BS/MS in CompSci and have been in the tech industry for 20+ years. I've never been on government assistance, but I'm glad it's there if needed.

I voted Obama because there is no way in HELL I would put my 4 daughters' future in the hands of the current GOP. Don't get me wrong: I support a pro-life choice, but I support it as a choice that is the woman's to make, not the government. Limited scope? Perhaps, but like I said, we all vote for different reasons, and frankly I don't think there was much else in the way of major policy difference between Obama and Romney. At least Obama is honest about his intentions.

CLOWN

PARADE

A . . . Against

C . . . Common Sense

I agree with you, Johntho . . . in fact, MOST "welfare" recipients live in red states . . .

few thoughts:

There actually isn't welfare anymore. . . . it was ended during the Clinton Admin.

Roy probably means the SNAP/food-stamp program, and or TANF . . .

MOST adults using those programs are actually full-time workers . . . they just don't make enough $$, even working full-time, to get above the poverty line (which is really unbelievably low).

It seems so odd to me that the ReThuglicans, who whine so much about folks on "welfare" are also opposed to an increase in the minimum wage, which would help a lot of families get off gov assistance, and they are also opposed to any increase in the EITC.

So, I think you are right: it IS sick for Americans to be so stingy . . . how could anybody (especially someone who professes to be Christian) think that it's a good thing for poor children to go hungry.

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FORWARD!

chick binder "Roy is the Queen of Misinformania and McWhacky-Whack is his lady in waiting.... Both are squealing racist piglets unable to comprehend that all they wallow in was once their own.."

When you resort to name calling, it usually means you've lost the ability to argue intelligently, and for the record, my wife is Black and my 5 children are 'mixed heritage'.

that's because Femme Portfolio aka chick binder never had the ability to begin with.

ROY WILSON-336103........asked:

Quote.....Why did Obama win?.....EndQuote

He won because a majority of American voters considered him a (substantially) better candidate for President than Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney was (at best) a mediocre candidate. All the best Republican candidates (Jeb, Bobby, Chris, etc.) opted not to run because the Republican party has been hijacked by a raucous (Tea Party) minority whose (flawed) idealism prevents them from facing political realities and because President Obama is a formidable candidate (in his own right).

Your party has been fracked.

ROY WILSON-336103.....you said:

Quote.....for the record, my wife is Black and my 5 children are 'mixed heritage'.....EndQuote

Well, Strom Thurmond (for one) had a mixed-race child. But, that did not seem to affect his racial politics.

In any case, personal claims on Newsvine are virtually worthless. Some things that really count here are ideas, facts, integrity, communications and reasoning skills.

EEngineer "There are some slight problems with your argument."

My figures are correct.

In 2008, the number of people on public assistance was 30.3 million - link below;

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/01/25/us/20090126-welfare-
table.html

In 2012, the number of people on public assistance was nearly 47 million - link below;

http://sgtreport.com/2012/10/americas-bread-lines-welfare-spending-jumps-32-in-4-years-nearly-47-million-americans-on-food-stamps/

This source claims that welfare spending was $746 Billion in 2011 - somewhat higher than my estimate of $680 Billion for 2012. That is about 60% of the total Budget Deficit.

Ian Emdee "In any case, personal claims on Newsvine are virtually worthless. Some things that really count here are ideas, facts, integrity, communications and reasoning skills."

Which is why I give reliable (usually official government) sources for my figures.

What I usually get back is 'name calling' and racist rants, meaning they don't want to argue the ideas I present, so they resort to the their lowest base instincts.

At any rate, this vine is getting old - Bye for now, and 'Have a nice day' :)

Which is why I give reliable (usually official government) sources for my figures.

Considering you linked the "Daily Caller" just this morning, are you sure about that? lol

Romney to make first major public appearance

.

So precious. Will he carry binders of women with him?

You two are on fire today! I love roasted pig! Feisty, girl, what can I say? You really get under their skin and then they get pissed and pick up their tinker toys and run off in a huff! HA! I wonder if Royboy knows that the Daily Caller is not a government source.

I wonder if Royboy knows that the Daily Caller is not a government source.

Aww shucks darling!

Some days it's like shooting fish in a barrel! lol

Wow, hard to believe the Repubs are calling Willard back so soon. Usually, they totally disown the loser.

C = Clown

P = Parade

A = Acting

C = Competent

Wow, hard to believe the Repubs are calling Willard back so soon

Speaking of losers, what has Dubya been up to lately? I figured he would come out of his "hidey hole" once the election was over...

Roy Wilson - you sound like you swallowed Bill O"Reilly's hook, line and sinker completely. Blaming Romney's loss on welfare people is nothing but a load of bull. Not even close to the truth. So you can put your FOX skewed numbers in the trash can where they belong.

Dubya is getting ready to unveil the presidential library in his hometown, next month I think. I believe it is filled to the rafters with childrens books and how to books on deceiving a whole country into war.

Speaking of losers, what has Dubya been up to lately? I figured he would come out of his "hidey hole" once the election was over...

After the Hubris special by Rachel Maddow, he best be finding a safe hiding spot. People may start asking him and his war mongering associates some questions. Better hurry on Cheney, though. That dude could kick the bucket anytime, lol.

So Romney is going public for the 1st time since the Election?

Great!

Maybe finally Mitt can Explain to the American Public

where and what he did with all those stolen Blue collar worker's Pension Funds

he Laundried through his phony Cayman Island Shell Companies just before

he hid all that ill-gotten stolen Loot in his numerous hidden Swiss Bank accounts,

so he wouldn't have to pay any Federal Income Taxes for last Ten Years!

And most Important, what the Heck is "RETRO-ACTIVE RETIREMENT"?!?

and can you and I Advoid Federal Felony Charges, like Romney did,

by pleading that we "RETIRED RETRO-ACTIVELY?

Well, can we?

GOP Clowns scream at the top of their lungs ..

YOU CANNOT TRUST THE MSM or the GOVERNMENT

then as fast as a cat on fire

THEY CITE the very sources that they claim CANNOT BE TRUSTED !!

If their head were any further up their arse it would come out of their mouth again .

Oh BTW Roy Wilson, President Obama also won the post graduate degree demographic, as well as the high school graduate demographic, and the female demographic.

Mitt, on the other hand, took the trailer trash demographic, the chewing tobacco user demographic, the Pro-wrestling watcher demographic, the inbred racist demographic, the angry old white guy demographic (which is the category you fall into), and the magic underwear wearing religious fanatic demographic.

Roy Wilson - funny but the Republican leadership (oxymoron) says that your comment about Obama winning because of the welfare recipients is just a total lie. But, of course, you know best! LOL! When you're desperate - you'll post any lie to try to make a point - that isn't!

The reasoning from the right is always a sneer.Most of we Democrats know which is the Party that is more in tune with the ordinary working class of our population.The people who claim to be Rep./T.P. I.M.O. don't say what they understand is the philosophy of the present day Rep/T.P., which they should understand has gone from Conservative to Extreme Right Wing . We Democrats do know what either party stands for.That is the reason that the majority of our population is rejecting the Rep/T.P. They can call us moochers,fools or stupid as long as they wish,but they prefer to look down on us rather than admit that they are foolish to stay with that party of the super-rich.

Dubya is getting ready to unveil the presidential library in his hometown, next month I think. I believe it is filled to the rafters with childrens books and how to books on deceiving a whole country into war.

Talking books, no doubt!

ROY WILSON-336103

tex2c2 "But Roy, it appears to all that you are very poorly educated. Where did you say all those degrees came from and what were your majors?"

Why, because you don't agree with my conclusions?

For the record, I have two undergraduate degrees in Business (Marketing and Finance) and an MBA in Finance from one of California's 3 largest Universities - while working full-time to support a family.

Now it is starting to make sense, your education was in a trade school... Glad to hear that you supported your family however...Many that take that greedy route do not...

Here we were being led to believe that you actually had an EDUCATION! From your comments, we knew that was not possible. LMAO....

KC_NC, I read this some where and thought I would share. "If you don't want your tax dollars helping the sick and the poor, then its time to stop saying you want a government based on Christian values"

John N. Fugelsang

Pretty true, and simple. Even a republican should be able to understand the meaning.

Roy Wilson - Why do you have to throw out all of these lame excuses trying to marginalize President Obama's victory? You lost. You had fewer votes in spite of your efforts to suppress the Democrat vote. All of crap you are throwing out as to the reasons why you guys failed will not change the fact that you lost. You look silly and appear to be a very bad sport. Pick up your balls and go home. Better luck next time.

I love how a nut-job like FeistyRedhead can get so many likes for spewing crap but Roy, who is using facts and sources, can only get a few likes. Proves that liberals can't fathom facts and logic.

Bob - Perhaps you should reassess your conclusions. Just a friendly suggestion.

I love how a nut-job like FeistyRedhead can get so many likes

I have often wondered if you have to pass some kind of dick-head test to be named Bob? Could you clarify it for us? lol

The Roy-Boy-Toy is a delusional stupid @!$%# which explains why he ran out of here with his hair on fire! ;o)

Get back to us when you figure out how to identify a fact there pal...

Fact, anyone seen a fact, I haven't never seen a fact from Roy, all he does when he post the numbers from 08, which by the way, wasn't the bottom. Such as the Dow was 6 thousand March 09, and today it is bouncing off of 14000. All boy Roy shows is the fact that George W. Bush was a very terrible president, had horrific ideas for this country, and no matter how hard he tries to blame Obama, the problems today with the bad numbers is not the fault of Obama at all. Size two hats just don't have enough common sense to know when they have had the ass spanked. He continues to type the same crap over and over and it has always been wrong. Repeating something might gain you some believers, Roy, but not those of us that lived that time and warned what was going to happen.

Bob-2711464 - Roy has posted no facts - just the usual right wing lies yet you're impressed by them. Pretty much says all there is to say about you! And, none of what it says is good!

B. battery

O. operated

B. boyfriend

Woman's best friend. Man can have the dog, right Feisty?

Oh Bob, it's just us "free stuff" loving people sticking together (wink wink!) I'm immersed in all of that "free stuff" I got just for giving my vote to that Kenyan Muslim Communist who hates America, so i'm going to show my appreciation by defending my homey's (wink wink again!) Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go troll some other sites so I can show how much I hate America ( rolls eyes!) Hey, btw, did you see where McCain got eaten alive by his own people?

Bob,

Drop the names and stick to irrefutable facts.

Allthough intelligence is important to obtaining a advanced degrees, it does not have to be much more intelligent than someone who earns above average GPA in an undergraduate degree. Advanced degrees means researching an aspect or aspect in your field.

As far as liberals not being able to fathom facts and logic. Don't sell them short. Insisting that what they believe to be correct regardless of all the facts clearly means they are just ideologically bound to a flawed failed concept.

Bobby JindaL, Louisiana Governor, overheard saying....

I'm not going, this is going to be one STUPID convention!!!! LOL!!!!

Mitt Romney

Paul Ryan,

Marco Rubio

Sarah Palin

Rick Santorum,

Alan West

Newt Gingrich

Herman Cain

What a bunch of losers, but wait, I think they forgot one...

DONALD TRUMP

J/K....

Hey, btw, did you see where McCain got eaten alive by his own people?

Yep, and I keep saying, they are so vicious, so hypocritical, so evil, they are eating their own!

I love how a nut-job like FeistyRedhead can get so many likes

Wander on over to the story about Jesse Jr and any post that has Feisty or Bev's name in it are the most liked. Good hell people, obsess much? Do you have thoughts or just thoughts about those that post?

BTW Feisty, I liked your post. :)

SeekingSanity "Bob-2711464 - Roy has posted no facts - just the usual right wing lies yet you're impressed by them."

Actually, I posted my facts from the NY Times voter exit polls for 2012.

The vast majority of of disagreement comes from people who say, in effect "Your numbers are wrong because I don't agree with them".

I enjoy having a discussion over the conclusions, and sometimes people come up with a valid side point, but using the NY Times as my basic source for information could hardly be called a 'right wing source'. I find it interesting that Conservatives seem to be open to opposing views, but when Liberals are confronted with dissent, they freak out and start calling names.

This is what 'Free Speech' is all about.

tex2c2 "ROY WILSON-336103 Now it is starting to make sense, your education was in a trade school...Here we were being led to believe that you actually had an EDUCATION"

Oh, so top University MBA in Finance is a 'trade school' and not a real EDUCATION? I suppose an undergraduate degree in Liberal Arts would impress you more.

You prove my point - Liberals use the tactic of "If you can't argue an issue intelligently, attack the messenger".

Roy Wilson,

Not my job to discredit you or imply that you're lying about your education — your writing seems to be that of an educated person, at the very least. But your arguments are thin and fallacious at best, ridiculous and dishonest at worst.

1. President Obama didn't increase the number of people on welfare and/or food stamps — the recession did. People become enrolled in the program because poverty strikes, not because a President tells them to. Even if that were the case —that is, the President actively told families to enroll— you must understand that, during a recession, it's a good thing to have people on food stamps. It encourages economic activity and effects flow of money, something we need during recessions. The notion that, somehow, the president should have reduced the number of people on food stamps during a recession goes contrary to very basic notions of economics and even of ethics and the kind of moral standards you expect of a nation that calls itself "patriotic" enough to care for all its citizens during bad times.
2. When you use quotation marks, you imply that whatever is enclosed in them was said by someone. The President never said, implicitly or explicitly, that people shouldn't vote for Romney because he would do away with all the freebies. His larger case was one of unity against a person who openly declared to "not care" about 47% of the country. His larger case was that we shouldn't focus on making life easier for millionaires, but less hard for the poor. It's very different to say "what the other guy is proposing is unfair" to "the other guy will take away the gifts I've bestowed upon you" and only a simple mind would equate one with the other.
3. You, and most conservatives, continually make the assumption that the poor want to stay poor, that they're OK with being dependent on government help, and that they want to continue with that status quo. That is a gross mischaracterization of a much sadder reality. The fact that you believe that's what the poor think and what they want tells me you're out of touch and completely devoid of sympathy for your fellow Americans. Poll after poll shows a vast majority of poor people want to get a good job and be able provide for themselves. They want to have a decent standard of living, which government help, even at its maximum, will not provide them. Before making another statement that makes assumptions about the true intent of poor people and how they vote the way they vote, please spend some time, maybe a weekend or a week, living with a poor family. See what it's like. See if they're "living the life" just because Obama is furnishing them with gifts.
4. Attacking the messenger instead of arguing an issue intelligently is not something liberals do. It's something human beings do. Let's get serious here. You couldn't even begin to have an intelligent argument on economics with someone like Nobel Laureates Dr. Paul Krugman or Dr. Peter Diamond, both of whom support the kind of economic policies Obama advocates, so you decide to go and attack any poor soul who supports Obama but doesn't have a Nobel prize in economics and ad-hominem dismiss him as a moocher or a taker.
5. I could hardly make a case that liberals are more open-minded than conservatives. After all, we're human beings and it is deeply embedded in human nature to be biased. But, for that very reason and for many others, I will strongly dispute your suggestion that conservatives are more open-minded.
   If you're interested in a more objective take on the subject (which, if you truly walk the walk, you'll be open to): you're wrong. Studies have shown that liberals and conservatives use their brains differently in making decisions. Conservatives tend to show more activity around their right amygdala, an area associated with fear, risk, and reward. Liberals tend to use their left posterior insula, which is, not coincidentally, the area of the brain that also shows much activity when a person is trying to understand the beliefs and behavior of other people. A simplistic might say that conservatives operate out of fear and liberals operate out of sympathy, but I'm not a simplistic. But hey, go figure.

Also, Roy, you said to me on another thread, in response to my remark that many jobs were lost during Obama's first two years because of the recession, that Bush also grappled with a recession, but that didn't stop him from gaining jobs. I don't think there's much of a chance that you'd read my response if I posted it on that thread, so here it goes:

Could you seriously be more disingenuous?

The 2001 recession was minor. Today's economic crisis is the greatest since the 1930s. Look at what it's done the world over. There is simply no comparison. I don't know what "top school" you graduated from, but I'd like to know why in the world they hand out diplomas to people who can't recognize the fact that this latest recession was MUCH bigger than the one in the early 2000s. I'm sorry, I said before that I wouldn't question your education, but it boggles my mind that a postgraduate in anything can't comprehend the fact that one recession was much, much bigger than the other.

For starters, you'll find very few, if any, economists who think job numbers are directly, or even indirectly, attributable to the sitting president. So your suggestion that Bush was a better president than Obama because he had more job gains immediately after his recession is one that I don't care to take.

seaskip:

Romney comes out of hiding from his Embarrassment, I don't think anyone really cares !!!

Credit where it's due. The little bush and drunken cheney are still in hiding.

Just think of the mess the next president is going to have to clean up. Lets face it, if the Obama recovery was moving any slower it would be going backwards. Wait, last quarter was negative growth, so we are already going backwards. Funny that the smartest person to ever sit in the Oval Office, that wears his arrogance on his sleeve, who feels entitled to get his way, has never shoved his college grades in everyone's face to prove how smart he is. But then again Washington and certainly Obama is more about perception then reality, and it takes very little to fool liberals. For those wondering why Obama won a second term. Well you can be sure that one Ohio poll worker that voted for Obama 6 times is probably maybe just an anomaly. But you have to give Obama credit because the blame game, endless excuses, and the race card definitely worked. At least to get Obama elected, it hasn't done much for the country.

Roy Wilson, you are so correct by saying Obama bought the election though the government's handouts to non-wealthy. That has been Obama's goal all along. He wants more than 50% of the population to be dependent on the government. That will establish the US as a socialist country and there will be no return to the great country we once knew. Obama is an enemy to our country's growth and prosperity!

Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum,, Alan West, Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, Wayne LaPierre ---- this may be biggest collection of losers since the 50^th reunion of the 62 New York Mets.

Yea, and Harry, Republicans tried to buy the election through big business handouts and promises to trailer trash that they too will become wealthy. The end result: Obama won, Romney...

Romney who?

Which Romney will show up?

Roy Wilson -

You are being obtuse. I didn't question your numbers - I questioned your numbers being the reason Obama was re-elected.

As I pointed out, if Obama was re-elected because of the increase in the number of people on welfare being grateful for the handout, then McCain should have been elected in a landslide because Bush put so many on food stamps.

Sheesh! You certainly have the brains (or lack thereof) to be a Republican!

"Roy Wilson, you are so correct by saying Obama bought the election though the government's handouts to non-wealthy."

Republicans such as Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Glen Beck, and Sean Hannity tell us the 51% of the people who voted for President Obama did so because they got “free stuff.” They also tell us that people who voted for President Obama don’t pay taxes. Since I voted for President Obama, I decided it was time to get some of my “free stuff.” I tried to get food stamps but I found out I didn’t qualify. I said I voted for Obama and Rush told me that people who voted for him get “free stuff” such as food stamps. They said it didn’t work that way.

I then decided to get one of those free Obama-Phones. I went to the AT&T store and they said they didn’t know what I was talking about. I told them that Bill O’Reilly said people who voted for President Obama got free Obama- Phones and I wanted mine. They told me I was crazy. I then went to the Horizon store, asked for my free Obama-Phone and they threw me out.

I bought a new car. The salesman was explaining the paper work and we came to the sales tax. The sales tax was almost $2,200.00. I told the guy that Sean Hannity said people who voted for President Obama don’t pay taxes and since I voted for him, I was exempt for the sales tax. He said I still have to pay the sales tax.

I got my property tax bill form the county recorder the other day. I called him and informed him that Glen Beck said people who voted for President Obama didn’t pay taxes and that since I voted for Obama; I shouldn’t have to pay property taxes. He said either pay the tax or they would put a lien on my house.

I called my accountant. I told him that a bunch of people on Fox News reported that people who voted for President Obama don’t pay any taxes. I assured him I did vote for President Obama and then asked him to handle all the paper work to arrange for a complete refund of all the federal and state taxes withheld form my paychecks since President Obama took office in 2009. He asked me what I was smoking!!

• So – can anyone out there tell me where I get all this “free stuff” and how do I not pay any taxes.

LOL! When you find out, let me know too!

I asked my lawyer about it and he said that I had to show them my Kenyan Communist Muslim Nazi Membership card.

Can you tell me where I can get one of those?

Biff Homoney? Who?

No, it had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that over half of this country did not like Romney or his style or his politics or his flip flopping or his lack of disclosure or his uppity ways........I could go on for days. You guys really need to get over it. The mourning period is way past over. Autopsies and postmortems have been done. Romney sucked.

There are a number of reasons why the republicans lost. Here are just a few.

1. If the only demographic you win is white men, you lose. America is a melting pot of people of all races and backgrounds.

2. If you try to suppress the vote, you will get a much higher voter turn out - especially if you try to suppress the Black vote.

3. You offer up Michele Bauchman, Herman Cain, Newt, and Rick Perry as a choice instead of Christie or even Jeb Bush.

4. You didn't even like the candidate you settled on, but Mitt and all his money just muscled everyone that you preferred out of the way.

5. Too many clowns with psycho talk like Rush, Trump, Hannity, O'Rielly.

6. Birthers and other psycho talkers with accusations of the president being from Kenya, he's trying to take our guns, he is a Muslim, and he's not one of us was getting the rest of our nerves. Unbelievably, these people seriously believe this stuff.

7. Mitt with a warmed over Bush plan.

8. Obstruction - elected officials actually willing to tank the country just for a win. People were upset at the lack of respect for the presidency. Allowing this juvenile response to losing an election to stand is a dangerous precedent because that just means everyone will do that.

Pretty much nailed it, Charlie.

Ryan says he can see Romney on the Caymans Island from the U.S., or was that Palin with Russia ???

Roy, that has to be your most well thought out, insightful post ever!

Rubio/Romney 2016

"We've told you people all you need to know."

Hi, AlaskaGirl-759554

over half of this country did not like Romney

.

Really? Over half (50%)? I disagree. You overstated the number a bit: liberal bias, I might say. I thought just the 47% screaming mob!

Well, considering president Obama got nearly 51% of the vote in the election I would say over half of this country. Clearly, Romney only received 47% of the vote.

AlaskaGirl-759554

well, I intended humor with my claim of your liberal bias (my #2.8), putting a pun on Romney's 47% remark that doomed him. Nothing against my fellow biased lib. Well, I apologize if you don't see the humor. Call me 'pignorant.'

Nice list, Charlie. You forgot one thing. The last two debates where Mitt's mouth couldn't stop spewing teabagger diarrhea. The Benghazi discussion sunk his battleship.

Bishop Willard was never anything more than PALIN in DRAG .

Oh, little pig, no worries! Sometimes I miss the intended humor, even from you! I shall toast you tonight with my evening cocktail!

Alaska Girl - oh, you said with your EVENING cocktail - I read it fast and thought it was with your EVERY cocktail - like in many - and it sounded like a party! LOL

It is probably less important as to why Romney lost, and more important to anaylize why Obama won. It certainly had nothing to do with Obama's job performance, after all he has orchestrated the worst economic recovery in US history. Hopefully the next president will be able to clean up the mess Obama has created. Nope, what Romney failed to realize is that all Obama needed to do to entice the low information voter to re-elect him was play the blame game, make up excuses, and use the race card. It worked like a charm to get Obama re-elected, but hasn't done much to help the nation. At least for those not interested in Obama phones, food stamps, welfare checks, credit card forgiveness, home bailouts... You know, the opposite of the American dream.

Get over it Rick, your baby boy lost. It is time to stop the phony blathering...

It is probably less important as to why Romney lost, and more important to anaylize why Obama won. It certainly had nothing to do with Obama's job performance

Are you sure about that?

... the numbers for Bush's last three months. Between October and November, 597,000 jobs were lost; between November and December, 681,000 were lost; and between December and January, 741,000 were lost.

Feb 1, 2013 - the economy has added private sector jobs for 35 straight months. During this span, 6.1 million private sector jobs have been created.

DJIA Dec 1, 2008 8149

DJIA Feb 19, 2013 14035

Dec. 29, 2008 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. corporate earnings fell for a sixth-straight quarter, the longest streak in at least 20 years, as consumer spending on automobiles, homes and retailers collapsed.

Jul 31, 2012 (Bloomberg) -- Profits for companies in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index have grown for 10 straight quarters, helping to power the index to a more than twofold increase since March 2009.

[Obama] orchestrated the worst economic recovery in US history"

#2.16: Rick, where's your finger pointing at Congress, you know, that other third of our triune government, Congress with it's House Republicans refusing to compromise and Senate Republicans over-utilizing the filibuster, a Congress stymied by the Party of No.

Not sure why Republicans say we have "big government" when they put the responsibility for its entirety on the shoulders of one man. Perhaps you've forgotten how the US government works in that mad rush to absolve your party of any accountability.

Why should they? Know one else does..

Will MSNBC retract it while admitting to untruthful journalism?

LMFAO

LMFAO

Will wonders never cease? Granite has a funny crack.

Said to make you laugh Caesar.....and the left-wing loonies will continue to buy in to this media outlet projecting lies as responsive journalism. But, it won't be the first time MSNBC has misrepresented any non-libbie position to receive a positive libbie outcome.

Said to make you laugh Caesar

oh and it did. precisely why i come here...whatever MSDNC/CCCP says, i know the opposite is true.

So why are you here then? At least MSNBC lets everyone comment, no matter, Dem or Rep.. How come Fox doesn't do that?

No Tom --- doesn't selectively edit any Romney film clips -- you have them confused with Fox.

Caesar's sole reason for being on the MSNBC boards daily is to fulfill his over-inflated ego by over-analyzing posts and posters alike and leaving snarky comments on both.

Your holiday's coming up soon.

So why are you here then?

Because you're so tolerant of the opposing view right....you said it yourself. But you seem rather jaded that MSDNC/CCCP allows the opposite view... even more, what does Fox have to do with MSDNC/CCCP having crappy journalism?

hey hows Jesse Jackson Jr's trial going? maybe Blago can sell one of the bunks to his cell to Jr?

Caesar's sole reason for being on the MSNBC boards daily is to fulfill his over-inflated ego by over-analyzing posts and posters alike and leaving snarky comments on both.

right Lameton. you seem to have your share of snarky comments shared by some of the biggest piles of human refuse alive. Funny you talk of my ego and yet have never looked in the mirror or maybe you have but have not realized the carnival house of horror mirror you look into.. See its dips like you that think you own this place. Perhaps you can set up a clandestine meeting with a 'journalist' to have posters removed.

In short Lameton, look into my eye..see that? yeah its concern

HAHAHAHA!

look into my eye

I think you should change your name to Brontes.

I think you should change your name to Brontes

or better yet Commodus

[or better yet Commodus]

How about just "Asshat"...it suits him better.

[...what does Fox have to do with MSDNC/CCCP having crappy journalism?]

Fox "news" LIES...Yet, you manage to weasel your way back to "MSDNC" each and every day for more ass-handings.

[Perhaps you can set up a clandestine meeting with a 'journalist' to have posters removed.]

Tighten up that tin foil hat, and adjust those pipe cleaners, my little conspiracy theorist, you.

FAIL! caesar...

FAIL! caesar...

FAIL! caesar...

[At least MSNBC lets everyone comment, no matter, Dem or Rep.. How come Fox doesn't do that?]

Commodus won't give you a straight up or down answer...he simply can't. He's a "bush beater".

...And he wonders why he gets called seizure... Maybe because he just had one?

Ah, the Glory of Rome.

I was under the impression that Faux doesn't take comments because they can't afford to let the world witness the "feed-back" from the freaks they pander to. I was assuming that they find it easier to "describe" their audience rather than letting it describe itself... But maybe that's just me.

keep coming little monkey.. it brings me great pleasure to know that i have unparalleled control over you. Caesars dog

Lameton, I notice you didnt bother to share your sole reason for being here or disagree with my assessment. I come here to point and laugh at the monkey's(liberals) fvcking the football.

Lori, Commodus is reserved for the current POS occupying the office of the presidency.

You may read your own "assessments" and find them relevant, Caesar, however the rest of us do not.

That the best you can do Ceasar?......Oh listen, the bell has rung, recess is over

TO: rotorhead1 who wrote:

"... the left-wing loonies will continue to buy in to this media outlet projecting lies as responsive journalism."

What "lies" are you talking about?

There they go again, calling names and spouting out mis-truths, just like during the run-up to the election.

And Republicans have the nerve to wonder why they lost. I'll tell you why, too many Republican lies that just never stopped coming.

You may read your own "assessments" and find them relevant, Caesar, however the rest of us do not.

ahh yes people like you and monkey and ChickRuken Binder, Fisty, Bev the racist, Seeking Approval et al, et ux, et vir. you have one thing in common, your fvcking hypocrites who play bukaki with eachother all day on here. Yeah your real pillars of achievement and intellect. So im glad your sole purpose MIRRORS mine.

Oh listen, the bell has rung, recess is over

Good, so its time for me to school you.

[...your fvcking hypocrites...]

Again with the olde tyme Roman writing! and it's "you're or you are"...

[Yeah your real pillars of achievement and intellect.]

And in the same sentence:

...play bukaki with eachother all day...

Keep jumping that shark, little man...

[I was assuming that they find it easier to "describe" their audience rather than letting it describe itself...]

caesar describes them perfectly!

[or better yet Commodus]

How about just "Asshat"...it suits him better.

LOL!

[...what does Fox have to do with MSDNC/CCCP having crappy journalism?]

Fox "news" LIES...Yet, you manage to weasel your way back to "MSDNC" each and every day for more ass-handings.

Now i'm rofl'ing!! Give the dweeb credit. He doesn't know when to quit. Ok, don't give him credit, chalk it up to stupidity. Ya' know, Charlie Sheen and his "winning!" Personally, I think he gets sexual satisfaction out of it. Why anyone would put up with the abuse he takes is beyond me.

Well, well, well -- I see along with Sarah (bubble brain) Palin, defeated tea party clowns Allen West, Joe (behind in his child support) Walsh and wanna-be, has-been, never-was Newt are also scheduled to speak. What a collection of losers!!!

Rick Santorum is going to speak too. This may be the biggest collection of losers ever to appear on the same stage. The voters in PA booted Rock's sorry ass out of the Senate by a 2 to 1 margin!!!

Charlie - but sadly no "I am not a witch." They'll miss half the fun without her spells!

Oh SNL is going to have a field day with this...as well as Fallon, Leno, etc.....LOL!!!

... the search for a winner goes on. What may be far more interesting is who will not be invited and thus escape the kiss of doom.

• Romney and Sarah Palin are both speaking at CPAC but how about Bachmann, Perry and Pizza Man -- will they be at the circus too??

I bet Ann Romney just luuuuvs La Palin. ;)

Romney & Palin are starting off with a little soft-shoe number to Sinatra's version of "Call Me Irresponsible". They won't appear together on stage again until the big finishing number "We Are The World" where they'll be suspended on cables out over the audience absorbing whatever it is that sponges like that absorb off of each other.

There was a circus-style act they were involved in somewhere near the middle but it got scratched after Palin said she was groped in the clown car during rehearsals.

CPAC= Concervitave

People

ARE

Crazy

Charlie - CPAC IS the circus!

@ Carolyn

Can he sign an executive order to pull the funds of all businesses and politicians, and cancel any interest payments to those accounts? I'll bet if he's president, he will be able to examine and provide to the world his money there and everyone else. That would be excellent

I can guarantee that Mitty will find no Democrip or Republican't money in the Caymans.

....on their way down the Denial highway

Newt Gingrich, Allen West, Rick Santorum, Joe Walsh AND Mitt Romney? Sarah Palin can finally be the smartest one in the room.

Neither does the Rio Olympic Committee. The thud in London still reverberates.

If the speech is a dud, Tagg Romney will tells us all that Mitt didn't really want to give it.

I wonder if Romney will tell them it's all their fault he lost, since when primaries went on so long the voters really got to see their lunatic ideology on full display.

Would he dare go there Amy? After all, he campaigned for what ... six years? I'm sure he's in withdrawal.

Amy, Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain is your avatar? Love it!

Is that the one he got from the voters or Anne?

Charlie, Rush makes MORE money from his dupes if his candidate loses. That only brings up the gaul in their throats as they run around in circles and turn on the political entertainment radios to get the vile taste out of their mouths with soothing lies from Rush. Being a drug addicted pimp who has no problem with making up lies is his best talent. The admission that he is gay and voted for HItler are just the next revelations in a long line of stunts to fill up his bank account.

"Charlie, Rush makes MORE money from his dupes if his candidate loses."

You got it. With the junkie, it's NOT about electing Republicans, it's ALL about money. His numbers go up with a Democrat in the White House. I would not be as all surprised to find that the junkie voted for Clinton in 92, and 96, Gore in 2000, Kerry in 04 and Obama in 08 and 12.

As for "stunts to fill up his bank account" -- remember his "I'm loosing my hearing scam?? What a crock!!

LOL

I thought it was "Can't Pick Another Candidate"...

Here's one that seems to fit...

"SeaPack...

Surimi exporter, manufacturer and supplier, we can custom produce surimi products to any shape, flavour, taste and texture you need."

Fairly tasteless fish laundered, disguised, and presented as something it never was and never will be to maximize profit potential...

CPAC--

"It's a DRY HATE "

wow..things would be so much better today if ROMNEY had won

I like it better than the GW Bush approach of sending American troops all over the world, invading sovereign nations based on trumped-up intelligence.

The Kerry way costs less money and saves lives.

@tnvol

I didn't like the Bush aproach either. I'm still trying to find a photo of the plane that slammed into the Pentagon, but I still can't find one. Whats your point?

Here's one bullet go have fun!

Somebody... Who shall remain nameless so as not to be remembered for too long... Just posted that they believe things would be better now if Mitt Romney were president... And then promptly called someone ELSE a moron right on the heels of that revelation...

Really bringin' the heat there, eh rocket-man?

mcpaddy - the ass is you - plain and simple!

uh huh.......get your head out of obama's bunghole....

mcpaddywack

Your biggest thrill is talking about asses on the net right ?

WAY TO HAMMER THE CHUMPS Charlie !

Leno's a jerk - ask David Letterman.

kimH - I like Leno more than Letterman, sorry. But, he's ripped Romney apart over and over again. He's an equal opportunity comedian. He, Letterman and Fallon have done some GREAT Romney jokes!

I tossed both Leno and Letterman out the window for Colbert and Stewart! Suggest you two do the same! ;-)

it is good to see at least one person in hollywood who doesn't have his head up obama the ass's bunghole...

obama's many handicaps include him being a born liar, a distorter, a deceiver, and a divider........

sonmanvb - BOY that is a HYSTERICAL JOKE from Leno, but I guess you've got to try to find something to enjoy. Maybe Leno and his 250 antique cars should run for Pres...seems like another great guy that is really in touch with mainstream America.

yeah like obama the ass is in touch..........bush is gone....romney is gone.......so tell me libs.......what is it that gives you a tingle down your legs with respect to this ass obama.....

mcpaddy - obama's mcpaddywack's many handicaps include him being a born liar, a distorter, a deceiver, and a divider. Fixed that for ya!

Why do all of the right wing wackos on here have such an obsession with butt holes? It seems that they can't comment on anything unless they are talking about butts or poop. This is something 4 year old little boys obsess about - butts and wee-wees.

kimH - I think that speaks to their sexual orientation, and that's fine - each to their own.