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Sen. Marco Rubio really wants nothing to do with President Barack Obama's immigration backup plan.
Rubio's office on Tuesday released a statement insisting that the plan the Florida Republican is working on has "major differences" from the White House blueprint that was leaked to USA Today over the weekend. Spokesman Alex Conant pointed to a number of measures they say are missing from the White House plan: tying the a path to citizenship to border security, a new visa exit system and a plan to deal with future immigrants.
And Conant said no one in Rubio's office has met with the White House to talk immigration.
White House spokesman Jay Carney addresses whether the release of a draft immigration bill was done on purpose.
"President Obama and the White House staff are not working with Republicans on immigration reform. Senator Rubio’s office has never discussed immigration policy with anyone in the White House," Conant said.
On Tuesday, the White House insisted it was in fact working with lawmakers on the issue. Obama has said he wants the Senate to write a bipartisan immigration proposal, but that he'll release his own plan if that process drags.
"We have been in contact with everyone involved in this effort on Capitol Hill," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said.
Asked to clarify, Rubio's spokesman said the administration had sent agency officials to brief Senate staffers for the bipartisan group of eight senators who are working on immigration reform -- but insisted policy was not discussed.
Gary Cameron / Reuters
Senator Marco Rubio, R-Fla.
"They've never asked for our input. (And, frankly, we've never asked for theirs.)," Conant wrote in an email.
Senior administration officials said that staffers from the White House had attended at least 5 briefings with congressional staffers working on bipartisan reform. At different points, officials from relevant government agencies also briefed the staff group.
Some Republicans have suggested the White House's separate plan could help GOP supporters distance themselves from the president and highlight the compromises in a Senate plan. Rubio's office rejected that analysis.
"The White House has injected additional partisanship into an already difficult process, and raised fresh questions about the president’s seriousness about passing reform," Conant said.
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We have the same plan but his sucks and I will be sucking wind if I don't say so. Mantra of the day. Can't wait till they get to apple pie.
We have the same plan but I can't do anything about that right now.
I'm running for the presidency and I'm the Savior who will save my party.
Note, I don't mention anything about the American people.
It's all about me and my party.
And don't ask me about voter suppression in my state!
"Conant said no one in Rubio's office has met with the White House to talk immigration."
"President Obama and the White House staff are not working with Republicans on immigration reform. Senator Rubio’s office has never discussed immigration policy with anyone in the White House." (First Read)
The WH is supporting the bipartisan talks, and commented to NBC News. “This was not the administration floating anything…We were surprised to learn what appeared to be draft language had been given to the press, thought it was unfortunate, and reached out to senate offices on both sides of the aisle on Saturday evening to make that clear.”
Congress makes the laws in this country, NOT our power-hungry President !
Senator Rubio wants nothing to do with the President at all. Very evident during his speech last week. If his "plan" is anything like the presented facts in his speech, I'm guessing he'll tie border security to citizenship by asking illegals to self-deport and try again another day. Very Romney-esque.
Mr. Big Gulp!
The latest
flavorsavior of the GNOP! lolWasn't this clown also in favor of the Dream Act before he was against it?
The President's door is open, we will have to wait and see if any of these obstructionists have the balls to walk through it!
Libtards fixate on Rubio taking a drink of water ! MSNBC covered it like 155 times in a 24 hour time frame !!
Glad to see you clowns focused on the "real" issues of our country !!!
Backhouse, what an interesting "get" you have there.
Debates do help solve problems.
.
BTW...Congratulations to blackcatwhitecat -
... the leading cat on top (or ... as the cat turns...the cool Cat On Hot Tin Roof?)
Meaningless headline: "David Axelrod joins NBC, MSNBC"
Axelrod has been de facto head of daily talking points at the Obama propaganda networks since 2009...
"Chuck Todd, meet David Axelrod..."...for Chuck Todd, this faux introduction to his real boss will be exactly like the situation in the Godfather II, when Fredo supposedly meets Johnny Ola for the first time, at a Cuban nightclub:
Michael Corleone: "Johnny!....You don't know my brother Fredo, do you, Johnny?"
Johnny Ola - "Fredo." (holding out his hand to Fredo) "We never met."
Fredo: (nervously) "Pleasure."
This constructive debate also helps raise Rubio's profile - truly a rising star (inside the GOP).
A star is rising....Regardless of my partisan leaning, I have always looked at new faces inside either party with great interest.
I want to notice and learn more about promising stars of the future.... and I have also spotted a Leading Cat today on this vine (blackcatwhitecat)
Pigotry - Trust me, he'll flame out very quickly!
@Pigotry,
A star is rising
The tale of Icarus comes to mind with this one.
The Calliope is winding up.....The circus is coming, the elephants and clowns.....
GOP Comeback, I think it's great for the nation that David has joined MSNBC. He is nothing like Karl Rove so I hope people don't start comparing the two. Karl Rove is a horrible person did great harm to our nation.
So I am thankful every single day that Mr. Alexrod worked so hard for so many years to help elect Barack Obama. He inspired us all.
David started his political life in NYC as a young young kid, and was inspired by Bobby Kennedy.
_________________
Poor Fredo. Michael really couldn't come to terms with what he did to his brother in Godfather III.
Marco, may we see your birth certificate please?
Hey, SeekingSanity of #1.11
...you didn't mean blackcatwhitecat, the leading cat on this vine, don't you? bcwc is my favorite cat, right before my favorite Canadian bacon in proper order.
Seeking,
Due to a overdose of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh please, the President of the United States has access to whatever he wants to have access to anywhere on this planet, including whatever is on Marco Rubio's desk.
... or a leading dog (I am talking about the avatar of bcwc) - now I am confused...
blackcatwhitecat...are you a dog? or a cat?
and DO NOT ask me about my NO vote on the VAWA act, or anything else concerning my voting record.
Pigotry - NOOOOOO! I meant Rubio - the rising star - oh wait....... is that a little trail of smoke I see coming from his rising star? Wait, oh nooooooo it's actually a shooting star - not a rising one at all! Oh well!
My, My, My, Poor Marco needs a Good Stiff Drink of Makers Mark!
I'm Sen. Marco Rubio & don't You forget Dat, Mr. President!
I'ma trying to Trick Latinos, other than Cubans into believeing that i'm One of them!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
You Betcha!
Occupy SoggyBottom!
Moof Moof Pigotry. not to fret ... avatar change is on its way and all will be even more unclear.
When Pres. Obama works on/releases a plan for something/anything, then he's "injecting partisan politics" into a supposed process; when he doesn't, he's "failing to lead."
But I suppose at least Rubio hasn't yet filibustered his own bill, like McConnell did, as soon as Obama agreed with him. That will be next.
C'mon, people - this is ridiculous - we can do better!
FORWARD! :-)
@BCWC,
Moof Moof
Now I'M confused. Are you part cow?
Your avatar does have the Holstein thing happening...
If there are any "major differences" between what President Obama knows Marco Rubio has, and what Rubio has now, it's only because Rubio has been furiously erasing things off of his paper, crossing things out, and scribbling in order to try to make his paper "seem" different, but I bet the President knows exactly, word-for-word, what Rubio has written down.
hey, Bali Bob
Part cow? a minotaur-ess? Bali Boob? (sorry..for the fun of it, call me pignorant)
TO: jim-1455434 who wrote:
President Obama is the most powerful man on the planet, which is undisputable.
If you want to consider the power of Congress, all you need to think about is the Teagaggers who are in place to stop anything from happening, not to make anything happen, which means, there is no power in the Congress.
@Pigotry,
call me pignorant
How about pigatron? (got amalgram ya ham?)
Hey, whatever you are, you're priceless!
Rubio, the latest GOPer who was for something until he was against it....especially if it is something President Obama supports. That sound you hear is Rubio doing the flip/flop, just add water for background noise.
TO: jim-1455434 who wrote:
Because it was so stupid and so funny all at the same time !
What a tickle!
Rubio (Capt. Thirsty) is like a fart. Offensive, rude, childish but eventually it fades. How can anyone hold this rube up as a leader? If he is the future of the Republican party, the part is over.
Jody,
Did you say water? LMAO!
Kim,
Another
stainskid mark on the history of the GNOP!The quick answer to this so-called 'reform' should be to build several human catapults and throw these illegals out!
Obama do not care about to stop illegal immigration , he don't care about borders , he want more trespassers to give then Citizenship and vote Democrat. Trespassers do not need citizenship to work in USA and send money to their relatives back in their country, all they need is a permit to work if they qualify.
The childish reaction to Rubio drinking water got more attention from the liberal media , than the actual Obama's State of the Union. This is a demonstration that the childish media bias do not care about what Obama said , at the end it is the same thing he is saying , over and over. Tax the rich, big governmemt and open borders.
Anyone really think that President Obama wants immigration reform?
I'll tell you what he wants, DRONES to kill whomever is on his list! Don't cross this guy! Didn't take long for him to get that measure in place, did it?
Watch your backs Americans!! Drones fueled up and ready to fire!! Got Handguns??
Oh wow, the ignorance in this post. No. No he doesn't. Especially working papers of the legislative branch. Please take a 3rd grade civics course.
@Lil,
Drones fueled up and ready to fire!! Got handguns??
Got common sense?
Good luck with a handgun against a Predator Drone... or those black helicopters that are coming to get you.
Hey, oskar-1391552 (#1.38)
Oskar, I agree with you - absolutely. I think there are so many people who are so shallow. I watched that clip on TV, I didn't see any grounds for such a reaction at all. Totally uncalled for. Republicans, or Democrats, we are all Americans, we are all in it together. And I do also hope those unemployed can get more help too - they have lost jobs ... not for the fault of their own - but because of the banksters and many other destructive deregulations.
Rubio's H2O attack was so hilarious and this is the Republicans top Hog for 2016, what a joke !!!
Rising star for President " When Pigs Fly" Maybe in Cuba, bottle blues for Fame boy
Bali - exactly! don't give up your gun, no problem! Send in drone # 42, we have a terrorist armed and dangerous!!!
President Obama - I fear no Constitution!!
OMG, a politician took a drink of water during a speech, what a baffoon!
http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/files/2012/04/418obamaslide.jpg
Oh, Obama did it too... carry on.
What a nothing story the left is made up.
Americans trust Senator Rubio to tackle illegal immigration - NOT this President!!!
Ummm... NOPE!
Piggly Wiggly must be running a two for one sale on tin foil again....
Of course you can provide us with a credible source to back up your outrageous claim... yes?
don't be so hard on yourself Feisty!
Marco Rubio already sounds like an idiot, and it is not even 2016 yet . .
As always, Feisty Redhead is on top of it :)))
No forum is complete without her ! Nuff Said !
I smell fear in here!!
@Pigotry,
My post 1.31 (directed at you) had messed up italics.
Second sentence should not have been.
Just wanted to clear that up, because I really enjoy your posts.
Now if we could only clear up BCWC's real identity...
If you can smell fear via the internet, there's something seriously wrong with you..
Oskar,
Than why is it that Obama has already deported more people than Bush did in eight years?
What was in that H2O ???
No one is mentioning that our public servants are about to give citizenship to 11-20 million illegal criminals. They have cost us billions of dollars each year. I want to personally be reimbursed for all the tax dollars the illegals have used. Also:
No, they don't all pick fruit
Yes, there ARE more deportations since Obama changed the accounting method to include any illegals turned away at the border.
BTW, if Romney didn't soften his stance on illegal immigration, he just might have won that election.
Sarah-3043284
Hey Sarah, we did not all pool our FR earnings for you to become a game show hostess. Write papers and disertations and stuff.
I didn't see anything wrong...oh...god...I am pignorant.
Thanks, anyway, Bali Bob
About time for dinner? For me, Pork chop...that's what's for dinner. Oink.
Lil Michelle ....
Given your posts today, I'm guessing your smelling things that have been flung at and stuck to the walls. Nurse Ratchet will be along with your meds soon.
hi, Layton-3733410 (#1.57)
I smell dinner (delicious pork chop). I have some cat chow also ... for my pet cat...meow meow meow meow.
@Pigotry,
Glad you got it!
Btw check out the new and improved BCWC, who also continues to amaze.
well..blackcatwhitecat, that's too much, your avatar, that's ridiculous. Is that all you have to show to us?
We don't want you to catch cold, that's all.
jw101 - Yes, there ARE more deportations since Obama changed the accounting method to include any illegals turned away at the border. LIAR
Pigsly & Bali ... I am the second wave up from the bottom.
blackcatwhitecat...well, we are your friends, we can raise some money ... so you can buy some nice clothing and get properly covered up.
We are all Bush's compassionare conservatives now...we know Bush's recession has taken a toll on many of us ...but not that kind of suffering you have demonstrated (in your avatar). Tell me where to send my money.
*waves to Roger*
You're making me *blush*... ☺
blackcatwhitecat...with this avatar, you will be counted as a cat ... only when you are involved in a cat fight. But you are no longer a pet..that's for sure. As Truman said...in Washington, if you want a friend, take a cat (Truman is a liberal). I don't take humans as pets - I do have my principles, liberal principles.
@BCWC,
Don't get your bottom soggy...
Oh wait, isn't that Occupy's line?
BCWC,
This one's for you...
JW101,
First, 1996 Welfare Reform disqualified all undocumented workers from means tested assistance. That means no SNAP, Medicaid, cash assistance, or the like. They can only collect for any legal citizens that are in the home. And I'm sure you don't want young, American children to starve, right? They're also the least likely demographic to seek medical attention, because they fear deportation.
Second, the IRS assigns ITIN's to all workers, regardless of immigration status. This means they pay into SS and Medicare, but can not collect. That money then goes into earning suspense accounts to be used on citizens. On top of that, they have no financial recourse against employers, such as unemployment, worker's comp, or tortuous claims.
Third, the majority of undocumented people are NOT criminals, as they came to this country through the proper channels, and have merely had their paperwork expire. That is NOT a criminal matter, that is a civil claim. Those who sneak over the border, or attempt to avoid customs are guilty of a MISDEMEANOR. I'm willing to bet you don't refer to the multitudes of people who shoplift every year as "illegals", however. In addition to that, SCOTUS has ruled that the use of SSN's by undocumented people does NOT constitute theft per se, as their is no malicious intent to defraud anyone of their property in these cases.
Fourth, SCOTUS has ruled in Plyer v. Dough, that undocumented people are afforded due process, and since you seem to be such a stickler for the law, I'm sure you want to follow due process and SCOTUS's rulings, by deportation through the proper channels. That means, we shell out $12,500/per undocumented worker.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0457_0202_ZO.html
http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-facts
http://www.neighborhood-centers.org/page.aspx?PageID=330
http://www.vdlf.org/get_informed/myths_and_facts/
http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2017113852_immigtaxes29.html
my post #1.63
I forgot to ask: do you accept US dollars which have been losing value?
From the article, for those who make comments such as "the same plan":
Not the same plan.
Sarah ... thanks ... money well spent! Hope you are still loving AU-DC.
Marco Rubio was an anchor baby. Several years after Marco was born his parents followed their "pathway to citizenship." There's nothing wrong with that, but why is Marco so opposed to others having the same privilege?
“As we speak, bipartisan groups in both chambers are working diligently to draft a bill, and I applaud their efforts,” Obama said. “Now let’s get this done. Send me a comprehensive immigration reform bill in the next few months, and I will sign it right away." The White House official said the focus “remains on supporting the congressional process” and that after the draft became public late Saturday, members of the administration reached out to senators on both sides of the aisle.
If the president truly supports BIPARTISAN efforts at immigration reform why is he sticking his nose into the process? If he wants to be a part of the discussion than he should sit down with senator Rubio and others, in front of cameras and have a good old fashioned debate. He won’t of course because he is a coward. He will never again permit himself to be humiliated nor the depth of his ignorance to be exposed as was done during his debates with Mitt Romney.
He reminds me of the loud mouth who trash talks in a bar and then hides under the table when a fight breaks out. Of course when you have Air Force one at your disposal, you just fly off to Florida for a round of golf with Tiger Woods.
Maybe it was some Cuban rum.
TO: Arthur66 who wrote:
Too bad for Republicans, because the majority of the American People trust this President, NOT Republicans because Republicans have a reputation for lying to the American People.
As for Rubio, if he wants to be "Top Dog" he's going to have to run for POTUS, and if he does that you can count on seeing that goofy water scene non-stop for as long as Rubio runs.
Lil Michelle
"I smell fear in here!!"
You are taking your pills on time and in the correct amounts?...
Is it little Ricky Ricardo and his vast influence among the Latinos (Who incidentally know he's cuban) that creates this imaginary smell of fear???
BTW... Your Avatar is just painfully cute! A girl like that could afford a little time to work on the insides...
Rubio (and Republicans) "The Presidents plan is NOT like our plan. Our plan requires tighter border security and prevents anyone from a brown country from becoming a citizen until WE say the border is secure."
The President's plan actually reforms the process of becoming a citizen or an immigrant. It has a real, actual method for people to become citizens.
SEE, there is a difference.
God I love this. Feisty do you have a job ?? You sure spend a lot of time shooting your mouth off. Who's tit are you sucking on? Maybe thats why you are so left. Do not want to hurt the hand that feeds you.I would ask you to watch the PBS report on the pres and his "working with" the speaker of the house. Our pres makes a deal with the speaker, which could have cost the speakers job, and when they get ready to put it down. Our pres suddenly ask for 4 billion more in revenue. Now, is that working with the the GOP ? Sounds more like a car salesman. You spend a great deal of time name calling. And how old are you. You do understand there has to be at least two parties to make it work. Other wise you have what kind of goverment ? You know the answer to this. To agree or disagree is how it works And when a man tells you he works with both sides, (as long as it's his way) you have to start to wonder. I do not like increase taxes without some cuts. Just increase taxes and we will talk about spending cuts later. Again, would you make a deal with this guy. And the increase in the goverment is alarming.. look at Europe. And why the hell is always the goverment who needs to fixes things. I never ask them to help me. I went and made it happen. I remember the immigration problem back in the 80" and the fix. Give them citizinship. How many times have I heard that crap. What are we telling everone who came here correctly. You are dumb ??
American Girl,
As for Rubio, if he wants to be "Top Dog" he's going to have to run for POTUS, and if he does that you can count on seeing that goofy water scene non-stop for as long as Rubio runs.
Unfortunately we will, and if Hillary Clinton runs we will also see nonstop coverage of the Benghazi hearings.
Layton,
If you really seriously think about it the President is a non-Hispanic telling a Hispanic who's family imigrated by following the law, that changing the law radically would be better.
I think Rubio represents all generations of imigrants feelings about the matter, much more so than the president, who is simply campaigning for votes and cutting the process just to buy more votes.
I'll probably not see bipartisan cooperation in our government. Man it has been boiling for a long time too. Regular people who hate anything about democrips or republican'ts. Ideologies that will not budge one bit. I and many others are going to are going to be taking cobbed corncobs up the backside for a long time. Glad I paid everything off
I don't know who said it, but you have to wonder about a Cuban who wants to deny a quick path to citizenship to other immigrant groups, particularly when the single group which would be most affect would be Mexicans. Anyone familiar with the Hispanic communities in the US knows very well there is no affinity between Cubans and Mexicans.
If you want to upset the Hispanic community in Miami, just show up and tell them all how much you respect those of Mexican-American heritage. Its like telling the Irish or Scots how much you love all the people from Great Britain.
"Congress makes the laws in this country, NOT our power-hungry President !"
NO,they don't. Congress takes more vacation days than they put in in working days, and avoids making ANY laws in this country. At least, laws that affect THE PEOPLE in any kind of positive, productive way.
"Power-hungry prez"? Give some 'zamples, if you are still on the thread. And make it good- not a bunch of screwball talking points from the 'liberal media' like Hannity or Fox or Rush, or.....
O's demand insistence upon the complete sell out the American worker (and LEGAL immigrants) in favor of ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS IS POSITIVELY UNFORGIVABLE!!!
American leaders (including O) are supposed to be representing the best interests of AMERICAN CITIZENS and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS rather than tripping over each other to sell out the American worker (whose opportunities and rights are being devastated-- hitting poorer and working class Americans the hardst and disproportionately impacting minorities). Instead, the fools in office now (namely O, for whom I voted in '08 but not in '12) are engaging in this pandering display in favor of the ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS, their offspring, and their insufferable advocates!
Pledging rewards and special treatment incident to immigration lawbreaking now is the WORST WAY to demonstrate a commitment to enforce our immigration laws in the future. Reagan's 1986 Amnesty is Exhibit A, evidencing the fact that rewarding ILLEGALITY only serves to further incentivize MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS MORE INSTANCES OF LAWBREAKING IN THE FUTURE? Indeed, a commitment to reward lawbreaking will only serve to engender more lawbreaking in the future and that will be followed by demands for special treatment for that lawbreaking-- JUST LIKE NOW!
The ONLY thing that is "broken" is our leaders' commitment to enforce the very laws they are legally duty-bound to enforce! We permit 1 Million LEGAL immigrants into this country each year (more than all other countries combined). The issue is NOT whether we choose immigration vs. no immigration. The correct issue IS whether the lawbreakers (the ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS) will be rewarded and granted special treatment for their lawbreaking!
A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!
Angelica,
It's time to take it off bold. You're losing this fight. You might as well go ahead and tell whoever you work for, over at CIS or FAIR, that the game is over. Now go ahead and call me unamerican and a liar, and make sure it takes you at LEAST three paragraphs and six adjectives per sentence. And don't forget to post that Miami Herald editorial from three years ago that is A; An editorial and B; Doesn't represent the figures in their totality. Oooh, and also that you're a "Democrat" and were once "On the board of the ACLU". Please note the sarcastic quotation marks.
Everyone Else,
I strongly encourage you to check out Angelica's Newsvine page. It's amazing how often someone can post the same thing over and over, about the same topic. Even when the article isn't about immigration she manages to bring it up. It truly takes talent. Or, you know, somebody paying you.
TO THE DISHONEST AND/OR THOSE RELYING UPON THE USUAL IGNORANT DEMAGOGUERY WHO MAINTAIN THE FALSE AND INANE POSITION THAT ILLEGALS DON'T UTILIZE AMERICAN TAXPAYER FUNDED SERVICES AT A DEVASTATING RATE, THEIR LIES ARE EXPOSED:
See February 12, 2013 Miami Herald article entitled: $2 Billion Medicaid Program Helps Mostly Illegal Immigrants":
See January 8, 2013, NBC.com (this site) (posting an Associated Press article) entitled "Health Reform Threatens Clinic Care for Illegals":
"A" to the men Sarah!
Anyone who believes bolding all of their tirades, need some serious professional help! lol
What a waste of space!
Fiesty,
What I tell you about the Miami Herald article? And notice how she doesn't post the entire links? And then she says something disproves a point, but when you take the time to read through her posts, which because she's following Rove's tips on conservative blogging she's banking on the fact that you won't, you find that they don't disprove anything, because she never discusses the issue in it's totality.
Here's the whole story...
http://www.nilc.org/overview-immeligfedprograms.html
AngelicaS
Could you please use fewer caps and less bold type? I read in braille and it hurts my fingers.
blackcatwhitecat
AngelicaS
Could you please use fewer caps and less bold type? I read in braille and it hurts my fingers.
Hands down the very best comment of the day! LOL
AlaskaGirl,
I second that! Hilarious!
Sarah,
Old Angie doesn't have a leg to stand on! Nice work in your rebuttal's! ;o)
Who doesn't grow tired of these ditto-heads? lol
Sarah-- You're lies are conspicuously exposed here every time. I posted actual excerpts from reputable news sources, while you've posted nothing to controvert them. Your only recourse, as everyone can see here, is base attempts at character assassination against me. Both of these articles are searchable on-line; they both came out in 2013, and one appeared last week. If you actually had something legitimate to say (and you do not), you would do so rather than being obsessed with personal attacks against me.
Clearly you don't know me, who I am, what I do. I am a professional who works for a for-profit corporation, but your willingness to make misrepresentations about me personally rather than responding with something of substance in opposition only serves to underscore the sheer inaccuracy and intellectual dishonesty of your continuous false claims. And, as to your Rove reference, he must be your hero, because you employ his tactics to perfection.
Please do not misinterpret my failure to further respond this evening to your lies, subterfuge, and personal attacks, as any agreement with your misstatements. Please note that I will rely upon my aforementioned posts and the facts contained in them rather than responding to you further.
Fiesty,
I just wish she would take it off "bold". For America. And for BCWC. Her poor fingers, (shakes head).
Angelica,
Nice job meeting the three paragraph limit, and fitting in the unamerican and liar claims. But I really feel like you could have fit a few more adjectives in there.
Well, that and the six links I already provided. And if those articles are so easy to find, then you should really post their links. Just a friendly tip.
bcwc - best post of the evening and I need to clean my monitor! LOL
Angelica - You've posted nothing but your very lengthy nonsense - no value whatsoever! So please rely on those posts and don't put any more garbage on here. You're embarrassing yourself!
Did I call it folks, or did I call it? I mean, I hate to be that girl who boasts, but damn did I hit the nail on the head with post number 1.84.
Let's give Angelica a break, she may spend her days writing fine print empty form letters and just needs to let it all hang out.
you da hammer Sarah ...
Me and Tom DeLay. (Flips hair). ;)
Thx, BCWC!
Because Cuban "refugees" automatically go to the front of the line for permanent resident status, Rubio is being disingenuous when he speaks of requiring Mexicans to wait for 10 or 20 years to get what his parents were given the moment they reached our nation's shore.
"Obama has said he wants the Senate to write a bipartisan immigration proposal, but that he'll release his own plan if that process drags."
Simple solution - If and when Obama and his Senate stooges pass their plan, Boehner just does what Harry Reid has done with dozens of bills passed by the Republican House - IGNORE IT.
Then nothing gets done - as usual.
Sarah-3043284 "Categories of Immigrants: "Qualified" and "Not Qualified""
With an 'anchor baby', they are then eligible for tons of benefits for the 'new American citizen'.
'One of about every 12 babies born in the United States in 2008 was the offspring of unauthorized immigrants'. Those are the findings of the Pew Hispanic Center survey that was released this week. It's estimated that 340,000 of the 4.3 million babies born in this country in 2008 had parents who were in the United States without legal documentation.' Here's a link;
http://catholic.org/hf/family/story.php?id=37814
Unfortunately, the vast majority of illegal immigrants are high school dropouts who place little value on education (witness more than 50% of them dropping out of high school), and this will result in an ever increasing permanent 'underclass' that heavily depends on welfare services - but the good news is that their kids will almost always vote for Democrats.
Roy,
Drop the anchor, they're merely babies. And babies who are citizens, no less. You may be comfortable letting babies starve or go uneducated because their parents paperwork expired, but I'm not too cool with that.
http://swampland.time.com/2010/08/11/dispelling-anchor-baby-myths/
http://habueld.hubpages.com/hub/The-Myth-of-Anchor-Children
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CEAQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scottimmigration.net%2FAnchorBaby.pdf&ei=_TskUdT_MrO50QGO1IDABw&usg=AFQjCNHoMduWnslZ7c2gf6pntBQNhLUbCw&bvm=bv.42661473,d.dmQ
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/04/local/la-me-0204-tobar-20110204
Sarah - Roy, good little Christian that he is, has NO problem letting babies of those he dislikes starve - just long as he can force them to make sure they don't terminate a pregnancy instead of having the baby. We all know how this works, right?
BCWC . . .
And the braille thing was super great as well. But No to the break for Angelica. . . . she doesn't deserve it. Sarah, however, does deserve the golden hammer on the plaque award.
Very well done with the rebuttal of the actual article, Sarah. Very well done!
Sarah-3043284 "Roy, Drop the anchor, they're merely babies. And babies who are citizens, no less. You may be comfortable letting babies starve or go uneducated because their parents paperwork expired, but I'm not too cool with that."
Seriously? You claim that because I point out some statistics about illegal immigrants that I am in favor of 'letting babies starve or go uneducated'??????????????????
If you plan on becoming an attorney some day, I think you need to work on your logic.
You should be ashamed of yourself for making such a crazy accusation. I'm happy to discuss policy issue differences, but let's avoid demeaning personal attacks if you want to be taken seriously.
Roy,
Oooooh, defensive. What exactly is it than? Why take away the humanity of children, by suggesting that they were only born for the sake of government assistance? That their parents didn't have them because they love and want them, but because they want some food stamps? That the whole reason for their life is a welfare check? Why complain so vociferously about money being spent to feed and educate them? The term "anchor baby" means exactly that.
I have some advice for you. If you want to be taken seriously as a HUMAN BEING, perhaps you should think before buying into fear and hate mongering.
Struck a nerve, did I? Perhaps, when you boil your beliefs down to their bones, you don't like what you stand for so much, huh? Perhaps you should actually think about what some of these terms and beliefs REALLY mean. I'm just the messenger.
Sarah.,
Its a fair charge to call them 'anchor babies' when so many illegals find the need to cross the border when birth is imminent. The parents are gaming the system and we should remove that carrot. Use Family Services 'in the best interest of the child' and make that citizen a ward of the state. Sending the now anchor-less parents back home.
Besides, nobody believes a 'baby puncher' cares about kids. lol
Please dial back the attacks, you're making me think that you're a DUI airline passenger.
Good night.
Can anyone give me a link to a story about the child of an illegal alien starving in America? If so, the parent has no idea of the services available for children, legal or otherwise, in this country.
And this is not about 'immigration reform'. It's about amnesty and the consequent new voters each party is hoping to gain and new tax payers needed to, for one, pay into the grotesquely underfunded SS trust fund.
Mexican politicians must be reeling in anticipation. They are about to permanently rid themselves of several million of their unwanted peasants. And they're going to get paid to do it as the new "Americans" will send billions back to Mexico.
Let's see, 3 million last time, 4 times as many this time. Next time maybe 4 times as many again.
Those Americans are the biggest bunch of saps!!!
Lets all rally behind the Obama amnesty plan. Just think of the millions Obama can promote to go vote Democrat. Maybe Obama can teach them to vote 6 times a piece like the Ohio poll worker did, and she claims she did nothing wrong. Yet liberals like to tout the other side as having low information voters. Maybe the press can ask Obama some tough questions like, did he beat Tiger, has he shot hoops lately, or where are you planning your next vacation. One thing for sure, if you actually question Obama you will be labeled a racist. Sad to think we have this man that is so coddled sitting in the Oval Office, and no one has yet organized a nightly singing of his favorite lullaby.
HS,
Kids starve in America everyday, how many of them are undocumented I'm not sure...
http://feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/hunger-facts/child-hunger-facts.aspx
http://www.nokidhungry.org/problem/overview
http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/us_hunger_facts.htm
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-state-of-hunger-in-america-today-2013-02-08
With those kinds of numbers, its illogical to think that none of them are the children of undocumented workers. And they aren't simply the children of undocumented workers, they're citizens.
We need to Stop ILLEGAL immigration! They're not just doing jobs that Americans don't want. Do they pay taxes? Don't get me wrong most of these people work very hard, but are a drain on the system if they don't pay taxes, have healthcare coverage, learn the language or get paid wages that are in line with their American counterparts. Who's footing the bill for the education of their children and the infrastructure around them? We all know that the health care provided to uninsured illegals here in the states is being averaged into our hospital costs and our insurance premiums, which have PROPORTIONATELY increased along with illegal immigration over the last 20 years? These costs are also being passed along to Medicaid and Medicare, which means that not only are they increasing our insurance premiums, but that we're paying for them again with our tax dollars.
Our tax dollars and insurance premiums should not be used to recoup the cost of healthcare given to illegal immigrants, who shouldn't even be here in our country in the first place.
To the people that disagree, we should ask them should this: If a few illegal immigrants knocked on your door and demanded that you pay some medical bills for them, would you pay them?
Just look around and you'll see who's doing 90% of the residential renovations, construction and property maintenance jobs. That's certainly what we're seeing in the northeast. These are not just jobs that Americans don't want.
Unfortunately the hiring of cheap illegal labor causes a chain reaction. The contractors who hire cheap, uninsured, non-taxpaying, ILLEGAL aliens undercut the contractors who hire US Citizens or Legal immigrants. Even if the contractor wants to continue to employ US Citizens or Legal tax-paying immigrants, they end up replacing their Legal employees with illegals just to be able to get the work.
Let's get the good productive ILLEGAL Aliens into the system and paying federal and state income tax or get them out and not let more in unless they come in as Legal Immigrants. Make them apply for legal visas and or U.S. citizenship and if they don't, then get them out. If they get rejected get them out or give them one quick appeal and if they still get rejected, then get them out.
But let's send the bad ILLEGAL Aliens back to where they came in and let's put a stop to any more ILLEGAL Aliens getting in. When we finally bring back our troops from the Middle East, how about then using them to help better protect our borders from these intruders.
Actually, Protect, illegal workers pay lots of taxes, including gas taxes and sales taxes. Unless the employer is paying them "under the table" they have Social Security and Medicare taxes withheld from their paychecks ..... for benefits they will never receive. The also have income taxes withheld from their checks, but usually forfeit any refunds they would be entitled to because they do not file tax returns for fear of discovery.
Illegals usually do not seek healthcare for fear of being discovered and deported.
Those who enter the country illegally usually do so in order to take care of their families. Employers hire them in order to have cheap labor. It takes both an employee and an employer to make this happen. Why not bitch about the employers?
If they can climb over the wall, it is not tall enough.
If they can dig under the wall, it is not deep enough.
If they can go around the wall, it is not long enough.
If they can bust through the wall, it is not thick enough.
Enough is enough.
Sarah - AngelicaS appears to be more impressed with stringing a groups of adjectives together and claiming facts she can't prove than actually being able to debate an issue. Also, why is she yelling? One of my biggest pet peeves is intellectual snobbery and she appears to be a pro. We can always count on you to back up your words in a concise and logical way. Don't ever back down, lady!
Once again, Barack Obama is usurping his authority ! It is the job of the CONGRESS to pass the laws of this country and the President's job is to enforce such laws once they have been duly passed !!
Obama already decided unilaterally and without authority to ignore sending back illegals if they fell into certain classes that he defined. Now, he wants Congress to do HIS will and mandate HIS Desires .... or else he will simply ignore the laws and make his Preidential mandates known through Executive Orders !!
And Obama wonders why Congress does not trust him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did your exclamation key stick?
Republicans decry lack of Presidential leadership and apparently you don't like it when he tries to lead.
As far as "ignoring" sending back illegals, it's called prioritization in going after those convicted of criminal offences. The number deported has actually gone up substantially under this administration and the number coming in is actually down.
MAJOR DIFFERENCES! For one thing, the title is completely different! *reaches-for-water-bottle*
Brad . . .
Excellent point and one that was brought up continually during the Sunday talk shows. They can't figure out what they want but if it wasn't there plan, then by god, it's a bad one.
Brad - actually, President Obama has overseen the deportation of more illegals than any other modern day President. And, yet the far right isn't happy. They didn't scream and kick when Bush did nothing about illegals - except hire them to work on the ranch in Crawford. Funny how things change when Obama is in office!
Brad, jimmy-numbers is OCD and exclamation points are his weakness. Can't get enough of them, uses them in increasing alarm as the day goes. He starts out in the morning seeming to be relatively calm in his comments, but by this time of the day, all exclamation hell breaks loose!
Hi jimmy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If the Republicans run the same type of hard right candidate like Marco Rubio in 2016 for President, they will lose.
For Rubio, his voting record is too darn conservative, especially his vote against women.
Lil Marco has some 'splaining to do!....but he won't, he'll just evade the questions.
AlaskaGirl - oh, jimlotsanumbers again, right? Such an angry little man and uses all those exclamation marks to prove it. Sorry but I'm glad he's on ignore. Got tired of all the "yelling" - look at me!!!!!! LOL
TO: jim-1455434 who wrote:
What are you trying to say, that the President is a cop?
TO: jim-1455434 who wrote:
lol
"hire them to work on the ranch in Crawford"? You do have a link to support that right, seeking? Or just more gum flapping from you?
TO: jim-1455434 who wrote:
That's why we voted for President Obama, because we want him to enact his agenda, and I personally don't think the President enacts enough Executive Orders.
Who cares if the looneys "don't trust" anybody, they're wacked out anyhow. By the way, whatever happened to all those JOBS JOBS JOBS the Teagaggers promised? Too busy using their crayons on the walls of the Capitol to get to doing the People's Business?
Seeking: Bush did. In fact its the reason my own father spent 9 months with NG troops on the border. Of course, it was dems standing in the way of ICE and deportation until they rose to power. but hey, only the GOP flip/flops right?
frstrm - Bush did very little as far as illegals are concerned except to co-sponsor a bill he and McCain put together to allow illegals to be come citizens. Then, they didn't submit it. Again, President Obama has deported more illegals than any other modern day President.
Obama wants to only deport VIOLENT illegal immigrants. But no one knows the background of illegal immigrants, so the only way we find out if they are violent is after they hurt an American citizen.
jw101 . . .
Not if they hurt another illegal? Wow.
You do realize that many of the illegals are people who we DO know their backgrounds as we gave them a visa but it has lapsed and they are lost in the system. Please tell me you don't think every illegal in this country ran across the border from Mexico.
(Speaking of which, I seriously want one of those warning road signs in Southern California ... the one with the teddy bear.)
American Girl,
That is why you and the other idiots voted for Obama, I happen to like the constitution and what it stands for.
What happened to all the JOBS, JOBS, JOBS Obama promised? Since he has been in office the U.S lost manufacturing jobs... For crying out loud get your facts straight will ya.
TO: jw101 who wrote:
President Obama has deport more illegal aliens than any other President in the history of the United States Do your research instead of making up lies.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TO: Idon't care who wrote:
How could you when you don't even know what it says?
Republicans stood in the well of the United States Senate and read the United States Constitution out loud to themselves, and in typical Republican fashion, NONE of them listened.
No, they read parts of the Constitution.
They skipped over the parts they didn't want to read.
Like everything done by the House GOP, its incomplete, meaningless and a waste of time, but usually makes good theater for the Tea Party sheeple who slavishly watch Fox.
The bad part is, it is the only decent thing the Republicans have had to say in Congress in the two years since they did that.
American Girl,
Wrong number hit redial, if you knew what it says you wouldn't be spewing half the garbage you are posting... But that is okay because you are entitled to your opinion... By the way I'm not a Republican. Just someone who is fed up with business as usual in Washington. They all talk a good game but distribute garbage...
jw,
So true...only when an innocent American is the victim does it trigger a deportation order from ICE.
Idon't care - You're very clearly a right winger. Otherwise, you'd be screaming at the Republicans in the House who tabled over 7 jobs bills proposed by President Obama rather than even bringing them to the floor for a vote. You know, the GOP House members who ran on jobs, jobs, jobs in 2010 then, when elected, did everything they could to block any new jobs. Try again - you're a Republican.
Doesn't it make you angry that Republicans and 7 Democrats signed loyalty oaths to Grover Norquist that supercede their oaths of office????
SeekingSanity,
Call me what you want I simply don't care and what year is it? It is no longer 2010 it is 2013. I'm not a Republican or a right winger as you would call me. Just someone fed up with the BS in Washington.
idon't care - you clearly DON'T care and are disingenuous. You fault the President who ran on jobs in 2008 but find no fault with the Republicans who blocked him with everything he tried to do. Then Republicans ran on jobs in 2010 but didn't do ANYTHING but again block his attempts to get jobs created. Again, YOU are a HYPOCITE and a definite a right winger. Otherwise you'd be just as fed up with the Republicans but that isn't your goal is it?
And don't worry - I know exactly what year it is. I also know when someone is being dishonest as you are!
idont,
Don't worry yourself about seeking...she is annoying troll that gets some sick kicks out berating people. You will soon grow tired of her nonsense.
"Obama deported more...." Wake up people. You guys are so busy spewing talking points you totally miss the important facts.
It doesn't matter if Obama deported two or three times as many illegals as Bush. It's still not enough to put a dent in the problem. There are still millions here and more coming all the time. Besides, if a politician were serious about the problem, which none are apparently, they would forget catching illegals and start shutting down and fining the companies and individuals that hire them. Soon, no one would hire them so there would not incentive for them to stay here or come here in the first place.
I just love the fact that the president wants to bring the best minds here to learn. We need them to help build our country again. Those minds are going to be very important to our survival and how we relate to our world. Then when I've graduated magna cum laude, I can go right back to my country and use my knowledge to destroy your country. Thank you America for the education, and thank you for being completely ignorant about it too.
Do you like the plan?
If yes, I designed it and he stole it.
If no, my plan is completely different and his plan is dead on arrival.
Snakes have been in existence since the Garden of Eden.
Sad that Rubio is continuing the "I hate Obama" undercurrent. Not exactly the bipartisanship approach that many on both sides agree is really needed.
The GOP is bipartisan! They attack and obstruct Obama and Democratic legislators.
Any criticism of Obama is "hate"? You forgot to throw in racism, too, you are slipping in your Obama-zombie talking points...
TO: GOP Comeback 2014 who wrote:
I'd probably describe it as "petty" first, but obviously there is an over-abundance of "hate" coming from the racist wing of the Republican Party, and you'd be crazy to try to imply that there are no racists in the Republican Party or to say that there's nobody in American who hates President Obama because he is part black because there are plenty of people out there that feel that way.
There is bi-partisian movement on this issue... Why did Obama have to cloud the issue with his (excuse me..the White House) version? This only was meant to anger what fragile alliance that exists now.
TO: JK1963 who wrote:
Could you please tell me when Republicans are NOT angry?
Republicans have been cussing and spitting ever since the American People put them out doors.
More needless comments from the left...and you wonder why no one wants to work with liberals?
Give the state of Mississippi a high-five!
150 years later....they just ratified the 13th Amendment (the one that abolished slavery).
Undocumented in Mississippi....guess the ex-slaves just got a path to citizenship, or whatever!
Way to go Mississippi.........Low-information state!
TO: JK1963 who wrote:
I wonder why President Obama doesn't just enact whatever's needed by Executive Order.
I'm sure then we could just call him King Obama or perhaps more appropriate Dictator Obama, right?
American Girl - President Obama has issued the fewest executive orders of any President - less than half the number Bush did. That's not the way he wants to lead but he will use the power if he has to - which is how it should be. You already see that ignorants like JK1963 have a problem when he issues an EO but none when Bush did. Just more stupidity from the right!
Seeking,
Once again, you know nothing about what I comment on. I merely was stating a comment given American Girl's comment that Obama should always use executive orders.
I see that you are on your usual rant against anyone that doesn't agree with you. Typical, but expected...
TO: SeekingSanity who wrote:
You are so correct!
Now that President Obama has given the GOP every opportunity to participate in government, I would love for President Obama to enact his Agenda by any means necessary including, but not limited to, as many Executive Orders as it takes to get the job done.
Then I'm sure when the next Republican president comes into office, you will equally be supportive, right?
JK, you do realize that presidential EO's are legal, with arguments based upon the Constitution, right?
Something tells me you don't.
JK, my expectation would be that Democrats in the Senate and House would not be the obstructionists that the Republicans in both houses have been, thus not such a need to use Executive powers to get something done by a Republican president.
Seeking,
As usual you know nothing what you are talking about. According to facttcheck.org, Obama has issued just slightly less than George W. Bush. Next time you try to impress us with your knowledge, don't bother...
Mickey,
Then explain how a federal appeals court ruled that Obama acted unconstitutionally when he made non-recess recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board?? Perhaps you should read up on your president.
Alaska,
You speak in theory...perhaps if Obama had been more of a compromising president instead of a dividing president, Republicans would not need to use the lawful powers granted to them.
Sadly, there is plenty of hate from both sides, but insisting one side is more so than the other is disingenuous at the least.
Mickey,
Constitution of The United States, Article One, Section One:" ALL LEGISLATIVE POWERS HEREIN GRANTED SHALL BE VESTED IN A CONGRESS of the united states, ..."
Do tell, where does that say 'except for presidential executive orders'. How about we ALL obey the actual rule book.
"The White House has injected additional partisanship into an already difficult process, and raised fresh questions about the president’s seriousness about passing reform," Conant said.
Damn straight. Obama got reelected by dividing us against each other, by race and gender.
The Obama Administration prefers to demagogue issues, not solve them.
They want to ruin Marco Rubio and continue to attack Republicans, that is their sole goal here...
Immigration reform would take away one of the liberal's issues for their endless class and race political warfare...
Ruin Rubio and attack Republicans? They seem to be fine doing that all by themselves, thank you....
Yeah, the Republicans TRIED to work with him.
GOP Comeback (hint, they're NOT coming back) - don't you EVER tire of posting the nonsense you do? The race and political warfare is directly attributable to the GOP and everyone knows it! Get a life!
Funny, Maine is the whitest state in the union, with the oldest population, and fewer Hispanic folks here, yet we voted to re-elect President Obama. Maybe what you mean by "dividing the country" is, dividing the the smart people from the low-information knuckleheaded voters.
GOP Comeback 2014
Obama got reelected by dividing us against each other, by race and gender.
No, sweetie, that's what the right wing media nut jobs (and the usual GOP suspects) keep telling you because like them, you and others like you are too stubborn to see that your party is stuck in the 19th century.
My post must have been a good one; the Obama zombie crew of Amy, SeekingSanity, and Alaska Girl were on it right away...
Do you get paid to be Obama lapdogs, spewing the lame talking points from 9 to 5?
That's exactly what dividingthe nation is -- dividing the smart people from the Fox/Limbaugh cultist
Hey! You guys get PAID? I was doing this for free!
Brad - I know! But it's so easy refuting imbecils like GOP Comeback ya have to do it - even though no pay!
Did Maine vote for Bush I or II? was Reagan the last and only time Maine went red?
except you havent..and by claimiing you did becaused you typed the above idiotic remark doesnt make it true... You didnt graduate or even go to Duke and in fact I doubt you went to J.C. Go home to you studio apt and three cats
Yes, our country is divided. Those of us sane and progressive, and on the other side the knuckle dragging neo-confederates who are still living in the 1860s. Man, what a plague to our country they are.
except those knuckledraggers in the 1860's freed slaves..unlike the KKK which was created by disgruntled democrats. Jay dont go through life like an idiot progressive.
TO: GOP Comeback 2014 who wrote:
So you're saying that your people went against you and voted for President Obama, and you call that "dividing the country".
It's pretty obvious that you don't know the definition of "demagogue" cause if you did you'd know that's the Republicans' speciality.
There are supposedly 8 senators working on a Bipartisan bill for immigration reform.....and Rubio has veto power???
Yeah, woodbutcher, didn't you know that apparently the "boy wonder" is now the official spokesperson for the Republitea party? I think he is self appointed. Personally I think he will peak too soon(his wife tells him that often) and then when it really counts, he will choke(and not from water! HA!).
So the bottom line, like the Gay Civil Rights bills, all the rules will be determined in Washington, DC by the 1% of Americans and then everyone else living in the nation needs to accept it, no questions asked. Of course the Mexican La Rasa leaders and Hispanic politicians will demand to them what is acceptable. Surrenders can be complicated.
actually when it comes to civil rights....yeah, you need to accept them
It's called "Representative Democracy" and it is our form of government.
Kinda missing the concept of civil rights, eh?
Nothing "kinda" about it.
Brad: wrong again. We are a republic. Democracies dont have electorial colleges that can pick a president who doesnt win the popoular vote. See, our founding fathers smartly determined that most ppl are to dumb to act from an educated standpoint.
If this were a true democracy, swing states likely wouldnt exist and neither would career politicans.
I think Rubio needs his bottle and his blanky. Grow up already!
Rubio is in the news a lot more than he should be. He appeared to be a light weight in his rebuttal and I haven't seen him say anything that would change that.
Rubio is in the news a lot today but like Palin, Bachmann, Pawlenty, Pizza Man, and who can count how many over the last 4 years --- he won't last long. His star will burn out quickly.
No contest for Rubio all Buckwheat knows is campagining and vacationing and blaming everybody for his failures. What a waste of 8 yrs in office.
And the GOP still wonders why they lost in November....
marco - do you even bother to read the racist comments you post ? You look like a total moron who isn't even capable of a rational thought. A waste of years - that would be your whole life!
marco (lotsofnumbers) is representative of the low-information, racists that inhibit the far-right wing of the party formerly known as GOP.
The GOP/TP is powerless to rid itself of its racists. Maybe that's what the GOP has devolved into!
Get Chilled, Obama won no mandate,
He barely won the popular vote.
If Romney had kept his foot on the Obama's neck, he would have won
Publius states:
Huh?
So, you agree with marco (lotsofnumbers) and his racial slur?
Carry on!
chilled how does Publius correcting you make him agree with the original poster? Do you liberals use this (il)logic all the time? methinks you do
Thanks CA.....what, pray tell was Publius correcting me on? Calling out the racist post?
Unless Publius agreed with the racial slur by marco (lotsofnumbers), I fail to see the context of his post .....Guess that's my bad. NOT!
"Breaktime" caesar?
Must be Mickey, must be.
Publius mentioned nothing about supporting Marco's post. read it a little slower. you dont seem to mind when Fisty and Bev the racist make their racial slurs...>OH THE HYPOCRISY OF THE DOUCHE BAG LEFT...sucks to be you
Hey Monkey, do you like being my little b*tch? you come running to my feet everytime i post. Face limpwrist I OWN YOU!!
Mickey,
And all this time I thought the little c*cksucker claimed to have you on ignore?
Nice job at twanging little sleazure's last nerve! lmao
He comes a running to hump your ankle whenever you blow the dog whistle!
So many Chewowa's... so little time.
CA....My, My, now you've turned really ugly.
Again, I'll ask what was Publius correcting me on?.....Nothing I could see.
Publius was trying to change the conversation...deflection away from the racist post by marco (lotofnumbers).
Please proceed CA.
im the c*cksucker? LOL..little b*tch monkey is at my beckon call.
that motherfvcker has been on my jock all day every day.. try again loser
Ok Chilled, I'll give you that, he wasnt correcting you on anything. but chilled as to being ugly, when you can call out your own, then we'll talk on that subject, until then.
Come Monkey, its time for you fling poo.
OK back at ya, CA.
[that motherfvcker has been on my jock all day every day.. ]
Sheesh, what's with the olde tyme Roman lettering?
Aww, and all this time I thought FAIL! caesar had me on ignore. What is apparent is FAIL! is irritated beyond belief.
Someone ask caesar (because he has me on "ignore", after all) to wash that sand out of his vagina and chill out, Burning Man is coming up.
[Ok Chilled, I'll give you that, he wasnt correcting you on anything.]
Caesar, need a bag? You know...to carry your ass around in?
Too funny Mickey:
Maybe his feelings were crushed trying to defend marco (lotsofnumbers) without success. So, he just lost all composure.......
I'm so confused..?? Doesn't someone need enough junk in their trunk to fill a jockstrap prior to claiming victory?
Atrophied remnants of little balls don't count! lol
Keep bending the little guy over Mickey, he seems to like it... a lot! lol
[... you fling poo...]
Aww isn't that cute...caesar is having Chinese for dinner.
Mickey . . .
As I wipe my dinner off my monitor! (well, just the libation part!) well done!
And to color it with a little of jim#s and joe 's hot air .... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)
Marco Rubio needs his throato lubio
Cuban against Mexicans...
the fake Mexican goes rogue
The republicana always wanted a two headed elephant..in case..one fails
the tea party.
http://youtu.be/igQlbesF0zA
Did you know there is no training available from the Immigration Department on how to spot a fake ID/visa/green card? Even post 9/11 when we need it the most, human resource departments across the country have no training available.
Mark Rubio and Rand Paul are made of the same, er...stuff. Neither is fit to be President of the United States. Both Rubio and Rand Paul dream that they are setting themselves up to be President. First, neither is fit, nor will ever be fit, to be President of these United States; Second, neither is fit to be a United States Senator. Both are political frauds, religious frauds, moral frauds and fake patriots - and these are a few of their "good points"....
One thing you can count on: Republicans of all stripes and at all levels (including Republican voters), projecting Republican incompetence, bigotry, racism, fascism, stupidity, hatred, political and personal deviation, , fake patriotism, fake religion, fake morals, corruption, lunacy, fanaticism (all types), etc, etc - onto the rest of the American population. In other words, their projections are just evidence that Republicans aren't fit to be in business or power. Put another way: They are nothing but a bunch of Demagogues. And how about the following:
Right Wing Fraud Alert: Rand Paul wants tax dollars to fund Fundamentalist Christian schools. What about "Separation of Church and State"..?? If that is allowed, what happens when American Muslims want tax dollars for an Islamic school, and Catholics for a Catholic school, and Jews for Jewish schools, etc, etc, etc. Do you think the American Religious Right Wing would not fight that?? It's time to bury Tea Party Express fraud and hypocrisy...
I really don’t see Mr. Obama’s interjection into this is at all helpful.
There is a bi-partisan group of Senators (4 Democrat and 4 Republican) working on coming up with a proposal. From what I’ve read, it sounds like they have a reasonable framework in place. This group is working with the House to come up with a bill that will pass both the House and the Senate. This is how laws are made.
So, instead of being a LEADER and WORKING with the House and Senate, Mr. Obama sees the need to create his OWN proposal? What purpose does that serve? Is he afraid someone else might get credit for actually doing something about the immigration problem? A problem he originally campaigned on but didn’t see the need to address in his first four years?
In a May 2008 interview with Univision’s Jorge Ramos, Barack Obama promised to tackle the immigration issue during his first year in office. “I cannot guarantee that it is going to be in the first 100 days,” he told Ramos, “But what I can guarantee is that we will have in the first year an immigration bill that I strongly support and that I’m promoting. And I want to move that forward as quickly as possible.”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/20/968377/-Obama-talks-up-immigration-reform
Republicans only look for new ways to screw the United States; they have no intention of changing their agenda - just finding new and creative ways to screw everybody: Republican incompetence, corruption and treason put us where we are today. As a party, the Republicans must not only be defeated - but crushed as well. They don't care what the American people want. They are the Political Mafia and are not fit to be in power at any level. Their psychosis prevents them from dealing with reality. They have been, and continue to be dangerous and destructive. Just look at the damage and chaos caused by Republicans and their conservative base from 2000 to the present...
So the American people want 20+ trillion in debt? You have your finger on the pulse of the country Will.
Yes, Will, Americans want attacks on our embassies and consulates. We want morons in cabinet positions that can't read their email and use false identities to send emails. We want a White House that promises change and gives it to us... only change for the worse. Less transparency and officials that lie to our faces. We want a president that calls once during an 8 hour attack on a consulate in which 4 Americans are being tortured and murdered. We want a president that apologizes to terrorist murderers and sends them taxpayer money and military weapons.
What do you find so threatening about Republican ideology? Smaller government... AHHHH... that's crazy? Fiscal responsibility... AHHHH... don't say such things... sooo scary!!!
The bipartisan group has the framework for a great piece of legislation. The Republicans simply want to ensure that before ANYTHING is passed, the borders are secured. The entire framework falls apart without that. If you don't secure the border, people will continue to come here illegally and jump the line to get the new pathway to citizenship.
The entire concept is asinine. Only in liberal America can you commit a felony, receive benefits and then be rewarded with citizenship.
While Republicans are looking for ways, Democrats and liberals are already screwing US.
jimboza - except that is exactly what Bush/McCain were proposing prior to Bush leaving office. Oh my!
djo - another lunatic from the right heard from!
djo - I've got my "finger on the pulse", you've got your finger stuck up a Teabagger's arse. Here are just a few of the attacks during the Bush-Cheney era. The numbers at the end of each are the number deaths in each attack:
22 January 2002
Calcutta, India
Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami gunmen attack Consulate
5
14 June 2002
Karachi, Pakistan
al-Qaeda truck bomb detonates outside Consulate (more details)
12
12 October 2002
Denpasar, Indonesia
Consular Office bombed by Jemaah Islamiyah as part of the Bali bombings
none
28 February 2003
Islamabad, Pakistan
Unknown gunmen attack Embassy
2
30 June 2004
Tashkent, Uzbekistan
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan suicide bomber attacks Embassy
2
6 December 2004
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
al-Qaeda gunmen raid diplomatic compound
9
2 March 2006
Karachi, Pakistan
Car bomb explodes outside Consulate
2
12 September 2006
Damascus, Syria
Gunmen raid US Embassy
4
12 January 2007
Athens, Greece
RPG Fired at Embassy by Revolutionary Struggle
none
18 March 2008
Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack against US Embassy
2
9 July 2008
Istanbul, Turkey
Armed attack against Consulate (more details)
6
17 September 2008
Sana'a, Yemen
Two car bombs outside US embassy in Yemeni capital
16
Seriously? Let's look at those bombings, shall we?
Those Embassy attacks during the Bush years?
Here they are:
June 2002 attack: On the morning of June 14, 2002, a truck with a fertilizer bomb driven by a suicide bomber was detonated outside the United States Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan. Twelve people were killed and 51 injured, all Pakistanis. No Americans killed.
July 30, 2004, suicide bombers struck the entrances of the US and Israeli embassies in Tashkent. Two Uzbek security guards were killed in both bombings.[14] The IJU again claimed responsibility. No Americans killed.
September 12, 2006 ... Syrian security forces and firefighters in front of the U.S. embassy in Damascus on Tuesday. ... news agency said; one member of Syria's antiterrorism force was killed in the battle. No Americans killed.
January 12, 2007 a grenade was thrown at the US Embassy in Athens. An antitank grenade was fired into the heavily fortified American Embassy here just before dawn today. The building was empty, but the attack underscored deep anti-American sentiment here and revived fears of a new round of homegrown terror. No Americans killed.
Feb 21, 2008 – Protesters broke into the U.S. embassy in Belgrade on Thursday and set fires. No Americans killed.
Sep 18, 2008. suspected Al Qaeda militants disguised as security forces launched an explosive assault on the U.S. Embassy in Yemen's capital, Sanaa, Wednesday killing 10 Yemeni police and civilians, officials said.
NO AMERICANS KILLED!
Watch the liberal deflection and lies.
djo
Every thing you said about Obama, Bush did in spades!
Publius - over 20 Americans were killed in embassy and consulate attacks during the Bush years. Try again and this time cite ALL the attacks - you seem to ignore the ones where Americans died. There have been such attacks during ALL of the recent Presidents terms. Unfortunately it happens over and over no matter who is in office.
But, Republicans - because they have become SUCH LOSERS now make it a political issue, degrading the people who died by doing it. Just another case of the low life Republicans who don't give a damn about anything but winning!
Just tell me which immigration reform plan:
1. gets the illegal aliens off my land,
2. makes access to the country impossible,
3. implements eVerify to prevent those illegals here already from working,
4. enacts RealID to prevent illegals from accessing Social Services,
5. demands proof of citizenship before any state allows voter registration, and
6. assures that those persons in an American classroom are the children of American Citizens only.
OK, which plan is it?
HillClimber - if there are illegals on "your land" you can easily have them escorted off. Surprised you didn't know that! You really ARE dumb, aren't you. I'm guessing a Republican???
Hillclimber, go back to that hill you live on, you hillbilly. "assures that those persons in an American classroom are the children of American Citizens only." Are you effing kidding me? You, as most lunatics on the far right, are a racist. You should move to one one those neo-nazi compounds in the woods of Idaho. Please, take all your lunatic friends with you.
Jay - even Idaho wouldn't want Hillclimber - just sayin....
Seeking insanity- Isn't that why ICE is suing Obama, because the administration will not let them do their jobs of escorting them back to their own country? Look it up
viknat - try again. According to Politifact:
According to current figures from Immigration and Customs Enforcement -- the federal agency responsible for deportations -- Obama has removed 1.4 million people during his 42 months in office so far. Technically, that's fewer than under George W. Bush, whose cumulative total was 2 million. But Bush’s number covers eight full years, which doesn’t allow an apples-to-apples comparison.
If you instead compare the two presidents’ monthly averages, it works out to 32,886 for Obama and 20,964 for Bush, putting Obama clearly in the lead. Bill Clinton is far behind with 869,676 total and 9,059 per month. All previous occupants of the White House going back to 1892 fell well short of the level of the three most recent presidents.
We wondered whether there might have been a surge of undocumented immigrants that explained the increase, but there wasn’t. During the first two years of Obama’s tenure, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated the illegal immigrant population nationwide at 11.2 million, compared to an average during Bush’s eight-year tenure of 10.6 million. And illegal immigration actually peaked late in Bush’s second term, at which point the recession hit and the numbers declined under Obama. Such patterns do not explain the 57 percent bump in monthly deportations that we found under Obama.
That will all be spelled out in the Terms of Surrender, Hillclimber. Maybe the newly elected El Presidente of the country of Mexico will be at the signing ceremonies. He will surely demand that the new citizens have rights of indefinite sponsorship of their multi-hundreds of relatives still in that country.
Federal Judge Reed O’Conner ruled on Friday that 10 ICE agents and officers indeed do have standing to challenge in Federal court the so-called Morton Memo on prosecutorial discretion and the DREAM directive on deferred action.
The agents filed their complaint in October, charging that unconstitutional and illegal directives from DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano and ICE Director John Morton order the agents to violate federal laws or face adverse employment actions. This is a major first step for the ICE agents in their case against the administration!
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement special agent Christopher Crane, President of the National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council, the union representing America’s more than 7,000 ICE agents and personnel, and Border Patrol agent George McCubbin, President of the National Border Patrol Council, the union representing America’s more than 17,000 border agents and personnel, both blasted President Barack Obama’s de facto “Dream Act,” and the actions of superiors at their respective agencies.
“The Administration claims it has diligently enforced immigration law and that the border is ‘more secure than ever.’ But those on the front lines know this to be untrue. They see the violence, chaos and lawlessness. They have lost confidence in the leadership of their agencies,” according to the outspoken Agent Crane.
“This administration has engaged in a sustained, relentless effort to undermine America’s immigration laws. They have handcuffed and muffled those charged with protecting the public safety and the integrity of our borders. Such action has not only weakened our security but our democracy, as well,” he stated.
“All Americans, immigrant and native born, will have a better future if our nation remains unique in the world for the special reverence it places on the rule of law and fairness in our immigration system,” Crane stated.
accuracyinthemedia.com
thetotas - yes, a far right judge appointed by a Republican has ruled against the administration. So what's new with the low lifes from the right? Nothing - same old, same old!
Its not about the judge, its about what's going on at the border. You keep on saying Obama and his administration has deported more immigrates that are here illegally, yada yada yada.
What I am saying is, BS.
Great job, SeekingSanity. But unfortunately, it's clearly demonstrated once again by the lunatics on the far right that you just can't make right wingers understand and accept naked facts, numbers and statistics. Were by some miracle every single person of Hispanic background deported to some far off land, they would then claim that the Obama Administration somehow built secret bases underground and is hiding them for some nefarious purpose. Their minds are a collection of Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones. All they understand and relate to is racism, bigotry, hate and an unabashed love of firearms and their particularly vicious version of Christianity. Then add quite a generous amount of Paranoid Schizophrenia. I gave up trying to reason with them.
Actually... the President seems to be very clear on immigration.
Things aren't always as they seem to be.
jimboza
Things aren't always as they seem to be.
How's that kool-aid tasting? Man, one person states (and quite moronically at that) that maybe the president really doesn't want immigration reform, and you people jump on the bandwagon. For what reason wouldn't the president want immigration reform? Have the one or two morons in the Republitea party offered their reasoning behind such a ludicrous accusation?
How about we enforce the laws currently on the books and see how that works out?
I will agree with you in part. Yes, I do think that many U.S. employers are getting away with hiring many illegal immigrants. There does need to be better enforcement and harder consequences for those that are breaking this law.
rubio is a fool for even achknowledging obama exists. Obama just wants the fight. Let it go buddy. The dem's are just interested in bad mouthing and nothing more.
djo - I've got my "finger on the pulse", you've got your finger stuck up a Teabagger's arse. Here are just a few of the attacks during the Bush-Cheney era. The numbers at the end of each line are the number deaths in each attack:
22 January 2002
Calcutta, India
Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami gunmen attack Consulate
5
14 June 2002
Karachi, Pakistan
al-Qaeda truck bomb detonates outside Consulate (more details)
12
12 October 2002
Denpasar, Indonesia
Consular Office bombed by Jemaah Islamiyah as part of the Bali bombings
none
28 February 2003
Islamabad, Pakistan
Unknown gunmen attack Embassy
2
30 June 2004
Tashkent, Uzbekistan
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan suicide bomber attacks Embassy
2
6 December 2004
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
al-Qaeda gunmen raid diplomatic compound
9
2 March 2006
Karachi, Pakistan
Car bomb explodes outside Consulate
2
12 September 2006
Damascus, Syria
Gunmen raid US Embassy
4
12 January 2007
Athens, Greece
RPG Fired at Embassy by Revolutionary Struggle
none
18 March 2008
Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack against US Embassy
2
9 July 2008
Istanbul, Turkey
Armed attack against Consulate (more details)
6
17 September 2008
Sana'a, Yemen
Two car bombs outside US embassy in Yemeni capital
16
why stop there ??? ----- why not post similar data for every presidency ??? ------ is it because the only way you can make your party look better, is by trying to make the other party look worse ??? --------------- and btw, i am an unaffiliated voter.
You forgot to mention more Americans died in Afghanistan during the Obama years look it up
viknat - yes, during the war Bush started. Your point? Oh, that's right, you don't have one. And, Will was talking about embassy and consulate attacks - not war. You DO understand the difference, right? Oh, you probably don't!
ronpaul - the point is, Republicans never even spoke up when people died in embassy attacks under Bush but NOW they're up in arms! Do you not see a problem there? Well of course you don't! HYPOCRITE!!!!
first off, i'm an independent, not a republican ---- and secondly, i complained about iraq, and etc, just as much as anyone ----- on the other hand, i also complained about vietnam, even though i served there. ------------------ i never believed we should be in either iraq or afghanistan ---- as far as i am concerned, all of the people in the middle-east could kill each other off, and i'd be happier, not sadder. ----- those people have been killing each other for centuries, and they deserve any unpleasantness they end of with.
and btw, where did you learn to read ??? ----- you didn't even spell my name correctly. -------------- YOU are the hypocrite ---- trying to make it look like the excrement of your party smells any better than that of the other. ------------- but that's typical here on the vine. ---- you people have close to zero objectivity. --------------- and that's the ones who aren't paid commenters for first read.
ronpal - sorry about the spelling but the facts remain the same. And, stop the idiotcy - no one is a paid poster on here. That's the stupid right wing mentality. How many of you rightwingers are paid to post? And, the excrement you're throwing around is what you smell. Again, HYPOCRITE!!!
Willy is pretty silly, no Americans were ever killed in ANY of the embassy attacks during the Bush, but he sure implies it, don't he
No - the Americans killed during the Bush administration were right here in the USA - and in the wars following including the one that should never have been fought.
there are at least 2 people on this page who are first read plants ---- and if you haven't figured out who they are by now, you don't comment on first read very often. ------ i figured out these two, especially one of them, years ago.
ronpol Please inform me. I would like to know.
you can't guess ??? ----- look at any 3 or 4 first read articles comment sections, first page only, mostly first comment section ---- e.g.1.1 thru 1.50
Another paranoid right winger...
Into your soul it will seep, there junior!
Like YOU are such a regular around these parts! lmao
ah gee, don't let it worry you ----- it wasn't as if i ever paid any attention to what you said anyway --------- however, you could have been a little less obvious. ----- it took me less than one month to figure out what you are.
anyway, now when i go to first read comment sections, i simply skip over the first page or two, and then i get to read what the REAL people are saying. ----- because, you see, i also suspect there is at least one false person who pretends to be republican. ------- and it doesn't make much sense to read an area of comments made by people pretending to hate each other.
I'm all for comprehensive immigration reform, my problem with republicans using Rubio is as a Cuban, his family did not have to go to the back of the waiting list to become citizens. They (Cubans) are granted citizenship if they place one foot on American soil, how fair is that? Criminal, doctor, old or young get American citizenship! Rubio should not be in this discussion or process to determine who becomes an American citizen or how they get it. I hope comprehensive reform will include the "wet foot, dry foot" law that he and his family haved continued to enjoy. Oh yeah, they don't have to learn English to get it either, many Cubans in Miami do not speak English and it is often required that Americans speak Spanish to apply for the jobs available... How funny is that!
Republicans stop with the foolishness and tell the truth - you think a Latino face will win you votes. Wrong! Latinos are smarter than that old ruse. Rubio should feel stupid and embarrassed to be used like this. Stop playing politics and do your jobs Congress!
Feisty - OMG another nutcase - ronpal - where do they all come from?
Bet ronpal checks under his bed at night for the boogie man too! LOL!
seeking ----- if i was interested in paid political commentary, i could watch c-span or re-runs of political speeches ------ having a plant on newsvine threads serves no good purpose regardless of your political affiliation, or lack thereof. ------ i spotted feisty for what he/she is, more than 2 years ago.
whatever they end up with, it must be tied to border security, and might as well address how we will handle immigration in the future.