Penny pinching: Can Obama manage elimination of one-cent coin?

 

President Barack Obama finally broke his silence on an issue of national importance Friday – he thinks it’s time to retire the penny.

The possible extinction of the one-cent coin was a featured economic question in a Google+ Hangout with the Commander in Chief last week as John Green, the co-creator of a popular YouTube channel, applied a little presidential peer pressure.

“Australia, Canada, New Zealand, many other countries have gotten rid of their pennies,” Green said. “Why haven’t we done it?”

“I gotta tell you, John, I don’t know,” Obama responded, adding, “Anytime we’re spending money on something people don’t actually use, that’s an example of things we should probably change.”

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But why should anyone care? They’re pennies. Aren’t there more valuable things to worry about?

First, pennies actually cost more to make than they’re worth. In 2012, every penny cost 2.41 cents to make – more than twice their face value.

And as zinc and copper – materials used in minting the penny – have become costlier due, in part, to manufacturing shifts in China, which are likely to raise costs further.

Granted, the total cost of minting pennies was only $58 million last year – less than one-tenth of a percent of total federal spending in 2012 – but groups like Citizens to Retire the U.S. Penny have long been making the economic case for getting rid of the penny (plus, the group adds, fishing for pennies adds about 2 seconds to each cash transaction per day).

And the U.S. military has already decided they’re essentially useless; all Army and Air Force Exchange Service stores on bases round all cash purchases up or down to the nearest nickel.

With both parties looking for ways to cut government spending, it seems as though cutting penny production could be a relatively painless, if insignificant, place to start. But in the Google+ Hangout, Obama ceded that Washington has bigger fiscal fish to fry.

“The penny is an example of something that I need legislation for,” he said. “And, frankly, given all of the big issues that we have to deal with day-in/day-out, a lot of times it just doesn't -- you know, we're not able to get to it.”

There have actually been efforts to pass penny-banning legislation. Back in 2001, then-Rep. Jim Kolbe (R-AZ) introduced the “Legal Tender Modernization Act,” which would have made pennies obsolete by requiring retailers to round up or down to the nearest nickel on cash purchases.

That bill failed, and Kolbe’s second attempt in 2006, the “Currency Overhaul for an Industrious Nation (COIN) Act,” after zinc costs nearly doubled, met a similar fate.

But the president doesn’t need Congress to explore other, cheaper alternatives to zinc – the main metal in pennies. In fact, the administration’s 2013 budget encourages the Treasury to “explore, analyze, and approve new, less-expensive metals for all circulating coins like aluminum, iron and lead.”

It wouldn’t be the first time Abe Lincoln’s coin got a makeover. Back in 1982, the penny changed from 95 percent copper and 5 percent zinc to 97.5 percent zinc and 2.5 percent copper.

(And lest so-called “penny hoarders” try to melt that valuable pre-1982 copper down, the Mint in 2006 prohibited the melting of pennies and nickels. It also made it a crime to carry more than $5 in one and five-cent coins out of the country).

Changes to the composition of pennies do have Congressional champions: Ohio Rep. Steve Stivers (R) introduced the “Cents and Sensibility Act” in December 2011, which would mandate that pennies were out of American steel (much of which comes from the Buckeye State) and dipped in copper. 

But these efforts will be met with some serious resistance from the zinc lobby (yes, there is one). The company Jarden Zinc, which creates “metal and zinc coinage,” according to its website, paid lobbyist Mark Weller $340,000 in 2012 to discuss issues related to “minting/money/gold standard” with members of Congress and the Mint, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Weller also represents the pro-penny group Americans for Common Cents, whose website warns of the risk of inflation that eliminating the penny would bring, and whose headquarters are on K Street, known for its many D.C. lobbyist offices. 

“Americans for Common Cents aims to inform and educate policymakers, consumers, and the media about the penny’s economic, cultural, and historical significance,” the group’s website reads.

The political power of the penny is likely another reason Obama hasn’t acted on getting rid of it. As far back as 2008, when he was still a candidate, the “penny lobby” appeared to mystify Obama.

Asked about it at a town hall in Pennsylvania, he said, “We have been trying to eliminate the penny for quite some time -- it always comes back,” joking, “I need to find out who is lobbying to keep the penny.”

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Barry must have forgotten the ole saying, a penny saved is a penny earned.....

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Reply#53 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:25 PM EST

Pup1, all he knows is handout.

    #53.1 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:10 PM EST
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    There goes the 99 cent Store!!

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    Reply#54 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:27 PM EST

    What next is he going to mess with. This so called president made of mess of our ecomomy and has not made any positive changes, now he is honing in on our physical spending money, what will he messs with next?

    • 7 votes
    Reply#55 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:29 PM EST

    The question should be, "Can the penny get rid of obamma"

    • 2 votes
    Reply#56 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:31 PM EST

    obama will kill the penny just like he is killing the country.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#57 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:32 PM EST

    Obama should be collecting pennies to fix the deficit.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#58 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:35 PM EST

    He is killing everything else...why not the penny?

    • 3 votes
    Reply#59 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:36 PM EST

    Stupid mother effen gov't should just stop making it. Nothing else. No need to tell people we can't use it anymore. No need to round up or round down!

    Just stop GD paying 2.5 Cents to make an effen 1 cent penny for effs sakes!

    GD stupid mother effers! Stupid effen puke libtard puke mother effers destroying this country! I effen hate you mother effen pukes!

    There is no need to make a stink of it - just stop making pennies you stupid effen morons! The market will eventually convince the idiot that save them in a big jar is their big GD peice of shiet house to turn them in for cash!

    I hate you effen sheep libtard pukes!

    • 1 vote
    Reply#60 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:36 PM EST

    So you're not a fan of liberals, then?

    • 4 votes
    #60.1 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:48 PM EST

    lol

    • 2 votes
    #60.2 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:50 PM EST

    Tell us how you really feel....

    • 1 vote
    #60.3 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:53 PM EST

    fuc kit - I qualify as a LIB and I say get rid of the PENNY - when it costs more than it is WORTH, it's time to GO

      #60.4 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:22 PM EST
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      If we all go around looking in our old piggy banks and couches and chairs I'm sure we could all come up with half of the deficit we are in, whose with me?????

      • 1 vote
      Reply#61 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:37 PM EST
      George NYDeleted

      He's doing well on destroying the constitution. Surely killing the cent won't be difficullt for him

      • 3 votes
      Reply#63 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:40 PM EST

      You forgot to add the republican party also

      • 1 vote
      #63.1 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:46 PM EST

      What EXACTLY has he done to destroy the Constitution? Be specific, or has Fox destroyed your brain?

      • 1 vote
      #63.2 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:47 PM EST

      hes trampled all over the first amendment, hes working on the second, wait till he does away with the 22nd

      • 2 votes
      #63.3 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:01 PM EST

      First Amendment - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

      Seeing how this entire amendment can only be "trampled" on by Congress itself (same thing with the second, by the way), I'm not sure what your point is apples n oranges.

      He may want to change it (although I haven't seen any reason to believe that), but he can't, now can he?

        #63.4 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:46 PM EST
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        “I gotta tell you, John, I don’t know,” Obama responded, adding, “Anytime we’re spending money on something people don’t actually use, that’s an example of things we should probably change.”

        AKA: Joe Biden's brain.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#64 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:44 PM EST

        Maybe then the gas stations will stop advertising gas at $3.509/10 per gallon. The savings on getting rid of the penny is $58 million per year and people say that's not much (but listen to them if Obama put $58 million into the school system. Why not make people use the dollar coin (we used to use larger dollar coins, and even gold coins).

          Reply#65 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:45 PM EST

          Why does the media always seem to forget about 1943 when they talk pennies?

          They were made out of steel, as copper was needed for WWII.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#66 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:46 PM EST

          WHY NOT ??? He has killed everything else !!!

          • 4 votes
          Reply#67 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:46 PM EST

          That's why the Dow and the S+P are at 6 year highs, the GDP is up 7% from when Bush was in office, and we've had 36 straight months of job growth, I guess. Turn off Fox. It makes you stupid!

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          #67.1 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:49 PM EST

          I think Obama killed romney too because he has been missing since nov 6

          • 1 vote
          #67.2 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:50 PM EST

          romney was lost from the beginning thats why he isnt president now.

            #67.3 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:57 PM EST
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            Think mister obummer should worry more about Korea and China than the penny

            • 1 vote
            Reply#68 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:47 PM EST

            Obama and the Congress have already killed the economy. Killing the penny should be a piece of cake.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#69 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:48 PM EST

            Turn off Fox. You sound clueless!

            • 1 vote
            #69.1 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:49 PM EST
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            Next thing you know we'll be trading for goods with shiny beads and firewater, haha....

            • 2 votes
            Reply#70 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:50 PM EST

            lol

            • 2 votes
            #70.1 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:51 PM EST
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            his policies are killing the dollar, might as well the penny too lmao

            • 3 votes
            Reply#71 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:52 PM EST

            Air Force and Army Exchange Service Stores DO NOT round up or down. I was there Thursday - my purchase was $50.83.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#72 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:54 PM EST

            Did you pay cash? They were talking cash transactions.

              #72.1 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:02 PM EST

              If you pay in cash they round the total up..if credit/debit stays the same.

                #72.2 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:03 PM EST
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                Today Obama will kill the penny and tomorrow the GOP hopefully

                • 3 votes
                Reply#73 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:54 PM EST

                Only in your dreams.

                Because if he keeps killing the economy, the Dems don't have a chance.

                • 3 votes
                #73.1 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:55 PM EST

                Yea Romney tried to base his campaign on that. How did that work out?

                  #73.2 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:00 PM EST

                  and veronica the day after hell kill your freedom with a socialist state, sweet dreams

                  • 1 vote
                  #73.3 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:04 PM EST

                  Yea I will be waiting weirdo

                    #73.4 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:08 PM EST

                    you must be looking forward to it nazi

                    • 1 vote
                    #73.5 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:10 PM EST

                    Yea im a nazi that cares about people (rolling my eyes). Your a joke

                      #73.6 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:13 PM EST

                      No........the joke is thinking Oblahblah is going to turn around the economy, even though he's done absolutely nothing in four years.

                      • 1 vote
                      #73.7 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:18 PM EST

                      he says gimmie 4 more years but what hes got in mind is the 22nd amendment and becoming the first dictator of america

                      • 1 vote
                      #73.8 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:20 PM EST

                      Apples you must really love some Beck, you repeat everything he says

                        #73.9 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:22 PM EST

                        you must really love lucy you sound just like one vindictive and stupid

                        • 1 vote
                        #73.10 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:34 PM EST
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                        Sure, he can kill the penny.

                        He's already doing it to the dollar.

                        • 5 votes
                        Reply#74 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:54 PM EST

                        If you put his Muslim profile on that penny ,i bet the penny would stay!

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#75 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:56 PM EST

                        Sir you're under arrest.

                        WTF for?

                        You just entered Canada.

                        I have an American passport and showed it to you

                        The passport is OK..its the 503 pennies in your luggage..that sir is a federal crime if you leave the USA with more then $5 worth!

                          Reply#76 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:58 PM EST

                          ROFLMFAO... (besides, the Canucks wouldn't CARE - the US penny is just metal to them)

                            #76.1 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:35 PM EST
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                            Eliminating the penny!!!? IS THIS WHAT OUR PRESIDENT IS WORRIED ABOUT JUST NOW?

                            Is anyone in our government actually trying to work the people who elected them any more?

                            Is there no way We The People cannot fire every GD one of these guys in Washington?

                            • 4 votes
                            Reply#77 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:58 PM EST

                            Just put Barry's image on it, then it won't be going nowhere....

                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#78 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:58 PM EST

                            Just shave off Abe's beard. It's already the right color.

                            • 1 vote
                            #78.1 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:22 PM EST

                            LOL....too funny....

                              #78.2 - Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:31 PM EST
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