Conservative thinkers: GOP should cut 'stale' policies loose

 

Is there a sea change afoot among the conservative intelligentsia?

As the Republican Party wrestles with how to reinvent itself to appeal more broadly to an increasingly diverse electorate after its two-straight presidential losses, a handful of conservative thinkers are calling upon the GOP to cast off some of its most well-worn proposals and elements of the party’s identity.

Former Clinton White House Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles and former Republican Sen. Alan Simpson modified their budget reduction plan. Politico's Jim VandeHei discusses.

These intellectual leaders are arguing that the GOP must embraces changes in policy. That’s significantly different than what the official organs of the Republican Party have said, which is that the party needn’t change its core policies and positions so much as frame them in a way that’s more appealing to more voters.

Take, for example, a post on Monday by Jim Pethokoukis of the American Enterprise Institute, who argued that Republicans should abandon their pursuit of a flat tax, a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution or the gold standard – three ideas that have long found advocates on the right.

“Today, the top marginal tax rate is 40 percent, and inflation is 2 percent. Health-care spending and the debt have both risen by nearly 80 percent as a share of output. The average American is 37 years old,” wrote Pethokoukis on National Review Online. “Economics and demography require a reworking of the conservative policy portfolio. But center-right politicians in Washington keep offering same-old, same-old stale solutions.”

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That’s a sentiment similar to the one voiced by Ramesh Ponnuru on National Review in an op-ed Sunday for the New York Times. Republicans, Ponnuru wrote, should be more willing to move beyond the policy prescriptions offered three decades ago by President Ronald Reagan.

"They slavishly adhere to the economic program that Reagan developed to meet the challenges of the late 1970s and early 1980s, ignoring the fact that he largely overcame those challenges, and now we have new ones," wrote Ponnuru.

Michael Gerson and Peter Wehner, both veterans of the most recent Bush administration, argued in a new piece for Commentary magazine that the GOP should learn from the centrist examples of President Bill Clinton, and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, whose election signaled a new era for the UK’s Labour Party. They argued that Republicans’ sweeping victories in the 2010 midterm elections were an “aberration” rather than a catalyzing moment for the GOP.

Gerson and Wehner prescribed a four-step process for the GOP: Republicans, they wrote, must first renew their focus “on the economic concerns of working-and middle-class Americans;” second, “welcome rising immigrant groups;” third, “express and demonstrate a commitment to the common good;” fourth, “engage vital social issues forthrightly but in a manner that is aspirational rather than alienating;” and fifth, “harness their policy views to the findings of science.”

They wrote that many of the existing Republican presidential frontrunners in 2016 are equipped to deliver that message.

But: “Their challenge is both to refine and relaunch the Republican message, to propose policies that symbolize values and cultural understanding, to reconnect with a middle America that looks different than it once did, and to confront old attitudes, not from time to time, but every day.”

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I wish PQ4 ward would give me back some of the student loan business?

I'm getting board of life being so much less complicated? yeah that?

gobble? gobble?

    Reply#230 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:41 PM EST

    Forced to agree with you. If you had a student loan, it didn't do you much good. Didn't even teach you how to spell "bored", which most of us learned in the third grade.

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    #230.1 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:35 PM EST
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    Poor, Poor, Former Illinois Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr

    Apparently, his koolaid points run out?

      Reply#231 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:52 PM EST

      As long as their primaries continue to cater to the toothless, gullible, hillbilly mentality of the red states, the GOP will continue to lose

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      Reply#232 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:55 PM EST

      Back on the Hawaiian punch I see?

        Reply#233 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:06 PM EST

        It's all in how you put it? Right to Work State sounds much better than Right to work for Peanuts State. The notion of changing the name of the dish to Heavenly Hero but leaving the recipe the same still makes it a crap sandwich. Put lipstick on a pig and it is still Sarah Palin.

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        Reply#234 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:09 PM EST

        When Reagan cut rates for everyone, the top tax rate was 70 percent and the income tax was the biggest tax most people paid. Now neither of those things is true: For most of the last decade the top rate has been 35 percent, and the payroll tax is larger than the income tax for most people. Yet Republicans have treated the income tax as the same impediment to economic growth and middle-class millstone that it was in Reagan’s day.

        The fight over Sen. Chuck Hagel’s nomination as Secretary of Defense and Sen. John McCain’s erratic quest to turn the Benghazi tragedy into a huge scandal are symptomatic: all word-games, question-begging and make-believe indignation aimed not at governance, but TV appearances.

        For all the theatrics, Republican senators apparently won’t filibuster their former colleague’s nomination indefinitely. I expect most are privately appalled at seeing Ted Cruz, the freshman senator from Texas, question Hagel’s loyalty—something I doubt he’d have the temerity to say anywhere except in front of a TV camera.

        “Compared to the current crop of congressional GOP freshmen and sophomores, even George W. Bush looks like Henry Cabot Lodge.” Republicans have allowed themselves to become the anti-science party, indebted to tycoon-funded “think tanks” and in thrall to paranoid talk-radio ravers who encourage its dwindling voter base to see themselves as a “martyr-like… persecuted remnant of Real Americans.”

        In consequence, GOP True Believers have rendered themselves incapable of noticing “the complete failure during the last 30 years of tax cuts for the wealthy to increase revenue, kick-start economic growth, or help the middle class.” The middle class are getting screwed, and the Republicans are blaming the wrong people.

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        Reply#235 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:19 PM EST

        @saywhat

        Your proof that you are a typical liberal liar

        The Miseries of Stagflation

        When Ronald Reagan took over the leadership of the United States in 1981, he inherited an economy that was in terrible shape—the worst American economy, in fact, since the Great Depression of the 1930s. Americans had enjoyed a prolonged period of widespread prosperity from the beginning of World War II through the end of the 1960s, but that long boom—built largely on the absolute supremacy of American industrial production, a temporary consequence of the destruction wrought on every other major industrial power (Germany, Britain, France, Italy, Russia, Japan) during World War II—had run out of steam by the early 1970s. The economy began to sag under the weight of a multitude of new structural challenges.

        As Europe and Japan finished rebuilding from the Second World War, American manufacturers lost their effective global monopoly and soon found themselves struggling to compete with foreign goods, cutting sharply into corporate profits and stock-market values. At the same time, a huge new cohort of young people—the "baby boom" generation—entered the labor force en masse, requiring the economy to create several million new jobs each year just to keep pace with the rapidly growing workforce. (Rising immigration rates added even more jobseekers to the strained labor market.) Meanwhile, unsustainably high levels of government spending—the cost of the long Vietnam War and the expensive social programs of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society—began exerting greater and greater inflationary pressures on the economy, even as turmoil in the Middle East produced oil price shocks in 1973 and again in 1979 that brought record-high prices and shortages in supply of the world's most indispensable commodity.

        The entire package added up to a decade of economic misery as Americans endured a new and seemingly intractable problem dubbed "stagflation"—stagnation in growth and employment, combined with inflation in consumer prices. According to the Keynesian economic doctrines that had dominated American thinking about the economy since the time of Franklin Roosevelt, stagflation was not even supposed to be possible; most liberal economists before the 1970s believed that inflation would only occur in times of rapid economic growth. Sky-high inflation in a time of slow growth and rising unemployment was unprecedented, and incredibly painful for ordinary Americans whose standard of living began dropping precipitously. The Nixon, Ford, and Carter Administrations all intervened clumsily in the economy to try to rectify the situation by applying heavy-handed measures such as Nixon's wage and price controls, but none came close to finding success. The deep economic malaise of the 1970s seemed to prove that the liberal economic order established in the 1930s had run out of fresh ideas. The government no longer had any answers for the economic challenges facing the country. It was time for something different.

        An Alternative Vision

        Something different was exactly what Ronald Reagan promised to provide. Reagan argued that half a century of misguided liberal policies had sapped the free market of much of its natural vitality by burdening it with too many government taxes, too much government spending, and too heavy government regulation. Reagan promised to restore prosperity by getting "the government off the backs of the American people" by cutting taxes, slashing spending, and deregulating the economy.18 While Reagan was ultimately able to implement those policies only imperfectly, his broad vision nonetheless proved quite compelling. Reagan's deep faith in his free-market principles proved to be almost contagious, helping to restore confidence in the future of the American economy even through a trying recession that lasted well into 1982. And after 1982, Reagan's faith was rewarded with a long and strong economic boom, driven by the greatest bull market seen on Wall Street since the 1920s. The Reagan Era, which began in such dire circumstances, would end up being remembered as a period of great prosperity.

        Slaying the Dragon

        Before prosperity, however, there would be a bit more pain. Through most of the first two years of Reagan's first term, Americans already battered by the stagflation of the 1970s had to endure the sharpest recession in decades. The severity of the downturn was largely a consequence of Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker's determination to end the devastating inflationary trends of the 1970s by any means necessary. Following the monetarist teachings of influential University of Chicago economist Milton Friedman, Volcker resolved to "slay the inflationary dragon" by sharply curtailing the growth of the money supply. That monetary contraction, imposed starting in 1980, succeeded in its primary objective; the inflation rate fell from a devastating high of 13.5% in 1980 to just 3.2% by 1983.19 However, it also produced a sharp jump in real interest rates that contributed to the brutal recession of 1981-82. The national unemployment rate exceeded 10% throughout 1982, rendering more Americans jobless than at any time since the Great Depression. (Not coincidentally, President Reagan's public approval rating bottomed out at just 35% that same year.)

        To his great credit, however, Reagan stuck by Volcker even when it would have been politically expedient for him to pressure the Fed Chairman to expand the money supply to provide a short-term boost to the economy. Both men's patience paid off after 1983, when—with inflation under control at last—the economy began growing again. That growth continued, unabated, through the rest of Reagan's two-term presidency, marking the longest peacetime period of unbroken economic expansion yet seen in American history. (An even longer boom would occur a decade later, during a Bill Clinton presidency that largely followed Reagan's lead in economic policy.) Overall, between 1981 and 1989, real GDP per capita increased by nearly 23%; in the same span of time, the value of the stock market more than tripled.20

        Good Times on Wall Street

        It was that explosive growth in the stock market that drove the overall prosperity of the Reagan years. The great bull market of the 1980s came fast on the heels of one of the bleakest periods in the history of Wall Street; between 1967 and 1982, the Dow Jones Industrial Average declined by some 23%. Factoring in the high inflation of the period, that represented a real decline in value of nearly 70%.21 For fifteen long years, then, the average investor would have literally been better off stuffing his money under his mattress rather than buying stocks. All that changed after 1982, when the stock market began a stratospheric ascent that would not really come to an end until 2000 (although there were a few temporary setbacks along the way, most notably a 500-point crash on 19 October 1987). On 12 August 1982, the Dow closed at a low of just 776.92. Before the end of that year, the index had surged past 1000, and by 1987 it peaked at 2722.42.

        Soaring returns on the stock market generated unprecedented opportunities for savvy investors to attain great wealth. In 1980, just 4,400 American taxpayers had claimed an annual income of more than $1 million. By 1987, more than 35,000 did—a stunning eightfold increase.22 While the ranks of the wealthy quickly multiplied, middle-class investors also entered the stock market in rapidly growing numbers. The creation by Congress in 1978 of the 401(k) tax-deferred retirement plan provided new incentives for workers to invest their savings in the stock market (often through mutual funds) rather than relying on company-funded pensions for retirement. The 401(k) led to a kind of democratization of Wall Street, as the percentage of American households owning some stake in the stock market—either directly or through mutual funds—shot quickly from 15.9% in 1983 to 29.6% in 1989.23 Thus the great bull market of the 1980s created more wealth, for more American families, than any previous boom in history.

        Not-Quite-So-Good Times Off Wall Street

        But the expansion of stockownership to nearly 30% of American households still left more than two-thirds of the country shut out of direct benefits from the great bull market of the Age of Reagan. For the 70% of American households that still lacked any stake at all in the stock market, the Reagan economy was not quite so lustrous as it seemed to those enjoying the fruits of rising equity values. Real wages, which had increased steadily from 1945 to 1972 but then stalled through the stagflation era, remained flat through the 1980s as well. Unemployment declined from the atrocious highs of the late 1970s and early 1980s, but the high-paying blue-collar industrial jobs that had been the mainstay of the midcentury economy continued to disappear. (It's important to note that this process began long before Reagan came into office, however.) In short, the economic outlook for middle- and working-class families who depended on wages for their incomes was somewhat better than it had been during the bleak 1970s, but still significantly worse than it had been during the 1950s and '60s.

        The uneven distribution of benefits from the Reagan boom reflected a growing trend toward what has been called the "financialization" of the American economy. As the financial sector displaced industrial manufacturing as the dominant economic force in American society, the gains from growth came to accrue almost entirely to those with major investments in the market, while individuals dependent solely upon wages and salaries found it harder and harder to get ahead. During Ronald Reagan's presidency, the wealthiest one-fifth of American households (those who naturally owned the most stock) saw their incomes increase by 14%. Meanwhile, the poorest one-fifth (who presumably owned no stock) endured an income decline of 24%, while the incomes of the middle three-fifths of American families stayed more or less flat. This uneven pattern represented a marked departure from the earlier economic expansions of the 1940s, '50s, and '60s, which had generated smaller returns for investors but raised income levels across all classes of society.

        Reaganomics in Principle and Practice

        Uneven distribution of wealth notwithstanding, the performance of the economy in general—and the stock market in particular—was strong enough under Reagan's watch to convince most Americans that the president's basic economic outlook was correct. It was that free-market outlook—a set of clear and powerful ideals—that probably ought to be considered Ronald Reagan's most enduring legacy to modern American society.

        Reagan was not called "The Great Communicator" for nothing. He was as adept as any politician in American history at distilling complex political issues down to simple ideological principles: Economic freedom and political freedom are inseparable. Capitalism is democracy. Heavy government intervention into the market, through taxes or regulation, limits economic growth and threatens individual freedom; tax cuts and deregulation create economic growth and liberate individual initiative. These ideas—which a majority of the American people did not share for most of the twentieth century—were the core tenets of Reagan's conservative economic worldview; Reagan was so successful at selling them that they have since become accepted as conventional wisdom (if not indeed scientific truth), shaping the policies of all subsequent American governments, Republican and Democratic alike.

        Reagan's undeniable success as a prophet of faith in free markets may obscure, however, his administration's more ambiguous record when it came to actually implementing policy. Reagan had a clear and compelling set of core economic principles, but they didn't necessarily translate automatically into specific government programs or policies. Reaganism in practice only partially fulfilled the ideological vision of Reaganism in principle.

        Arthur Laffer and the Reagan Tax Cuts

        Tax cuts lay at the heart of the Reagan Revolution. Reagan believed that high taxes threatened individual freedom, suppressed overall economic growth, and encouraged wasteful government spending. Thus the tax reform bill passed in July 1981 was the single most important piece of legislation to emerge from Reagan's first term. That sweeping tax cut slashed federal income tax rates, for taxpayers in every income bracket, by 25% over a three-year period.

        Even while he pursued his substantial tax cut, Reagan continued to insist that he favored a balanced federal budget. He bridged the seeming discrepancy by seizing on the unorthodox theories of an economist named Arthur Laffer to insist that lowering tax rates would actually increase the government's overall tax revenue. Laffer's premise: At a certain point, taxes could become so high that many people would decide it simply wasn't worth it to do any more work, since the government was taking such a large portion of the proceeds. (Reagan had witnessed this phenomenon at work back in his Hollywood days, observing that many big studio stars found it wasn't worth their while to make more than one film a year.) Lower tax rates would encourage those people to engage in economic activity, which—when multiplied by millions of people—would lead to growth throughout the national economy, generating higher tax revenues for the government, even as it charged a lower tax rate.

        According to a friendly journalist who sat in on the first meeting between Reagan and Laffer, the economist's theory "set off a symphony" in Reagan's ears. The future president—still just a candidate at the time of that 1980 meeting—believed "instantly that it was true and would never have a doubt thereafter."24 The premise that tax cuts could increase tax revenues was irresistible to Reagan because it enabled him to promise voters he could give them something for nothing—they could have their tax cut without having to pay the price of cutbacks to popular government programs.

        "Voodoo Economics"

        Reagan's political rivals—including many conservatives—remained skeptical. George Bush, who opposed Reagan in the 1980 Republican primary before serving as Reagan's vice president and then as president in his own right, infamously derided Reagan's tax scheme as "voodoo economics." Bush's judgment proved to be more apt than Reagan's; the president got his tax cut in 1981 but Laffer's promised voodoo never really worked. Government tax revenues remained stagnant from 1981 through 1984. Revenues did increase later in the 1980s, but this occurred only after Reagan realized that Laffer's program wasn't working and agreed to a series of small tax hikes in an attempt to address soaring budget deficits. These increases offset many of the gains individual taxpayers reaped from Reagan's initial 1981 tax cut. Individual tax savings were further eroded by Reagan's 1982 Social Security reform package, which increased payroll taxes to fund the national retirement system. And yet another hit to taxpayers' savings came from widespread increases in state and municipal taxes across the country, levied as local governments sought to make up for funds lost when Reagan's budgets slashed federal payments to the states.

        Tax Cuts or Tax Redistribution?

        When all was said and done, the total tax burden imposed on the American people from all sources—state and local taxes, federal income and capital gains taxes, and payroll taxes—remained basically unchanged throughout the 1980s. In the end, Reagan's reputation as a tax-cutter far outran his actual performance.

        Reagan's tax policies did, however, redistribute the tax burden significantly, even if they failed to reduce it overall. By cutting income taxes, which are paid at a higher rate by the wealthy, while increasing payroll taxes, which are paid at a higher rate by the working poor and middle class, Reagan shifted the tax burden down the income scale. During the 1980s, the total effective federal taxation rate for the poorest one-fifth of American families actually increased by more than 16%. By contrast, the effective taxation rate for the wealthiest one-fifth of families fell by 5.5%, and the richest one percent of Americans saved even more: their tax rate fell by 14.4%.25

        Small-Government Values vs. Big Government Spending

        Reagan's failure to truly reduce taxes for most Americans was mirrored by a failure to restrain government spending. Reagan ran for office in 1980 as a harsh critic of "tax and spend" liberalism, vowing as president to shrink the size of the government by slashing federal spending. Once in office, however, Reagan found it impossible to deliver on his promises. The largest chunk of the federal budget went to pay for Social Security and Medicare, which provide retirement income and health care for the elderly, and which are the two most popular government social programs in American history. While Reagan had long criticized both, he found it politically impossible to dismantle them.

        After Social Security and Medicare, the next largest government expense was the military—and Reagan, a staunch Cold Warrior, never considered cutting defense spending and instead increased it substantially. "Defense is not a budget item," he told planners at the Pentagon. "You spend what you need."26 With Social Security, Medicare, and defense all off the table, there just wasn't much left to cut; those three programs, combined with unavoidable payments on the national debt, accounted for fully 85% of the federal budget during Reagan's presidency. Congressional Democrats had little interest in slashing away at the remaining 15% (which included many liberal social programs instituted by Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal and Lyndon Johnson's Great Society), and Reagan never really went to the mat politically to try to force them to do so. As a result, total government spending continued to rise.

        "Mortgaging Our Future and Our Children's Future"

        Reagan's presidency produced huge annual federal budget deficits of more than $100 billion —the equivalent of about $200 billion today. It was an ironic result for a man who had spent his entire political career criticizing deficit spending by the government. "For decades we have piled deficit upon deficit," he said in his first inaugural address, "mortgaging our future and our children's future for the temporary convenience of the present. To continue this long trend is to guarantee tremendous social, cultural, political, and economic upheavals."27

        Yet the national debt tripled under Reagan's watch, reaching a staggering $2.7 trillion by the time he left office. Ironically, the government's gargantuan deficit spending during the 1980s ended up providing exactly the same kind of Keynesian stimulus to the national economy that Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal had provided during the Great Depression.

        Deregulation: Getting Government "Off the Backs of the People"

        While Reagan struggled to make his ideological vision real in the realms of taxes and spending, he found more success in the field of deregulation. Reagan's premise was that government regulation of private enterprise boiled down to meddlesome interference that burdened businesses with unnecessary "red tape" and thus suppressed the economy at large. There was more than a grain of truth to Reagan's critique; a full century of federal regulatory action had, by the 1980s, indeed created many convoluted limitations on business freedoms. Reagan promised to "get the government off the backs of the people" by dismantling the federal regulatory apparatus. In some cases, Reagan pursued de facto deregulation by appointing anti-government activists to key government positions, where they could block agencies under their control from exercising their regulatory powers. In other cases, Reagan pursued changes to the law, lifting decades-old restrictions against certain types of economic activity. The net result was a significant relaxation of the rules that bound the conduct of business in America.

        The results of Reagan's deregulatory push were mixed. On the one hand, poorly designed deregulatory efforts could lead to disaster. To cite the most notorious example, the careless dismantling of the rules that had long governed the American savings and loan industry led to the collapse of hundreds of the savings institutions, ultimately requiring a taxpayer bailout costing nearly $150 billion.

        On the other hand, smart deregulation could lead to substantial benefits for consumers, investors, and society at large. The breakup of AT&T's regulated monopoly over America's telephone communications, for example, led to ferocious competition in the long-distance market, producing both lower rates for customers and significant new investments in the fiber-optic technologies that helped make possible the internet revolution of the 1990s. And financial deregulation allowed for the creation of more sophisticated financial instruments that made it much easier for entrepreneurs to attract capital and played a huge role in fueling the booming stock market. If the price of deregulation was somewhat greater instability and occasional outbreaks of fraud, the benefits included accelerated growth and higher returns on investment. Most Americans thought that was a decent trade-off.

        The question of deregulation has re-emerged as a major matter of major political controversy in recent days, in response to the 2008 collapse of the subprime mortgage industry and subsequent financial meltdown on Wall Street. Some observers have blamed the current crisis on insufficient regulation of the financial industry; if this sentiment becomes widespread, leading the government to impose a robust new regulatory regime on Wall Street, then perhaps the Reagan Era will have truly come to its end. Either way, the powerful arguments Reagan made in favor of deregulation dominated American thinking on the issue for at least three decades.

        Reaganomics in Context

        Politics is a messy business. When it came to deregulation, like taxation and spending, Ronald Reagan's clear and simple ideological principles could be translated only imperfectly into concrete administration policies. Those policies, imperfect as they were, augmented a normal upswing in the business cycle to help restore confidence in the economy among the American people, generating a prolonged economic expansion that lasted, nearly unbroken, from 1982 through 1999. And while that expansion had its flaws—uneven wealth distribution foremost among them—there is little question that it represented a dramatic improvement over the dark days of stagflation in the 1970s.

          #235.1 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:58 AM EST

          @saywhat

          So the lives of those four people don't matter to you liberals does it. It further proves you and your ilk are only for yourselves and to hell with what is right. The people have a right to know the truth despite your freaking opinion. You only want to blame republican with your distorted truth.

            #235.2 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:04 AM EST

            The lives of 4 Americans was tragic.

            The loss of 3000 lives 9-11-2001...those were ignored by the GOP...Remember, Bushy said "Go Shopping"

            How about the 12 emabassy attacks 2001-2008? No comment on those?

              #235.3 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:52 AM EST

              @saywhat

              Maybe this will satify your little liberal heart facts are really ugly aren't they. Thats why you probably avoid them at all costs.

              Internal review of the CIA

              The Inspector General of the CIA conducted an internal review of the CIA's pre-9/11 performance and was harshly critical of senior CIA officials for not doing everything possible to confront terrorism. He criticized their failure to stop two of the 9/11 hijackers, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, as they entered the United States and their failure to share information on the two men with the FBI.[273] In May 2007, senators from both major U.S. political parties drafted legislation to make the review public. One of the backers, Senator Ron Wyden said, "The American people have a right to know what the Central Intelligence Agency was doing in those critical months before 9/11

                #235.4 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:44 PM EST
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                Republicans have dug their own hole, by catering to the group that currently supports them. And the majority of their leaders are people from that group. You cant change who you are, and everyone now finally see's what you are. And they don't like what they see.

                Call it whatever you want, reinvent, retool, reboot, whatever... But its still lipstick on the same old pig.

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                Reply#236 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:50 PM EST

                .

                  Reply#237 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:27 PM EST

                  Republicans = Out of Touch & Out of Time.

                  You would think that after 50 years of hearing the same old things being said about the Republican Party that they would get a clue and make the necessary changes to stay up with the times and to stay relevant. They haven't and Obama will serve 8 years in the White House and, more than likely another Democrat will win the White House and reign for another 8 years,

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                  Reply#238 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:23 PM EST

                  Coopster....

                  My thoughts run to Hillary running in 2016, and again 2020....with Julian Castro as running mate. 2024 and 2028 should be Castro and his running mate....2032 is the next possible shot for the GOP, if then.

                  With the Republicans own leaders calling themselves the Stupid Party (Jindal), and admitting failure to cooperate on behalf of the American people (Christie, Gingrich), they have so much ground to make up, it will take at least 20 years.

                  We do not want nor need another Bush...Jeb....two were two too many

                    #238.1 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:47 PM EST

                    Actually Bush 41 was the best GOP president since Eisenhower. Won the first Gulf war in under 2 months, and actually had the wisdom & discipline to raise taxes to pay for the Reagan years, and got punished by Americans for being honest about it.

                      #238.2 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:26 AM EST

                      He did NOT win the first gulf war....he pulled out, way too soon!

                        #238.3 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:53 AM EST

                        @saywhat

                        I thought that it was evil of the wepublicans to go to war. Now you bitch because he pulled out to soon. Just can't make you happy can we. by the way that's what your wife said last night

                          #238.4 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:20 PM EST

                          @coopster

                          Keeping up with your idea of the time would require them to get to work late or not show up at all. It would require all of them with a strong work ethic to pick up the slack of those who don't have one. IT would require them to lower their moral compass. It would require them to be stupid and have three teeth slick

                            #238.5 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:05 PM EST
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                            The Republicans are hard at work.....doing what? Take a look:

                            The phony fight to blame President Obama for the sequester reaches new lows and now middle class Americans are only nine days from getting the shaft…again!

                            Four years after the stimulus saved us from a depression, Republicans are dragging us back into recession.

                            The man who gave the world Sarah Palin is getting destroyed by Tea Partiers in Arizona.

                            Mississippi finally gets around to banning slavery this month. Why’d it take so long?

                            Marco Rubio claimed to still live in a "working-class" neighborhood but his West Miami, 2,649 square foot home is on the market for $675,000.

                            To avoid expanding a health care program for the poor, Wisconsin's Republican governor is pushing indigent patients into a federal health care exchange that isn't designed to help them.

                            If you think the Republican war on women, specifically the campaign against Planned Parenthood diminished after last year’s electoral defeat, think (yet) again.

                            Planned Parenthood said Monday it will close four of its 27 locations in Wisconsin (in Beaver Dam, Johnson Creek, Chippewa Falls and Shawano) between April and July due to a lack of state funding.

                            Gov. Scott Walker and his Republican cronies in the legislature eliminated public funding for low-income and uninsured patients seeking reproductive health care at Planned Parenthood, the largest provider in the state, because some of its clinics offer abortions.

                            That means about 2,000 low-income residents who need cancer screening, breast exams, birth control, pregnancy test, or testing and treatment for sexually transmitted diseases may have to travel up to an hour to go to a location in another county.

                              Reply#239 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:26 PM EST

                              @saywhat

                              Nope you are wrong again. The Sequester was Obama's idea passed by both parties and you guessed it You boy Obuma signed it.

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                              #239.1 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:48 PM EST
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                              "harness their policy views to the findings of science.” That will be the day....

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                              Reply#240 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:12 PM EST

                              harness their policy views to the findings of science. They don't believe in science, that's their problem

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                              Reply#241 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:13 PM EST

                              "Conservative thinkers". Now there is an oxymoron if there ever was one.

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                              Reply#242 - Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:43 PM EST

                              I think Obama is correct when he develops new stimulus packages by borrowing money from the Fed.

                              I think it makes absolutely no sense to get the deficit spending and Federal Deficit under control.

                              We should raise the taxes on the rich and then pay folks on welfare and unemployed folks for as long as they want to receive Government funding and they should not have to look for a job.

                              In addition, to have 47% of the people in the US to be enrolled in food stamps programs is definitely a major Obama accomplishment.

                              Providing discounts for college tuition for people who entered the country illegally and not providing the same benefits for taxpaying Americans is a wonderful thing.

                              Allowing folks who don't believe in religion to openly criticize, mock , and ridicule those who do is a great Obama accomplishment. We should extend this same type of treatment to anyone based upon their race, religion, nationality, sexual preference, or income level.

                              The biggest problems we face as a nation is the well-being of our citizens, making sure we can achieve a comfortable retirement, and not have this massive National Debt hanging over our heads. Never have I seen the nation so optimistic about their well-being! Never have I seen so many people living their dream retirement! Never have I seen such the federal deficit drop so quickly in my life. Obama's performance is nothing less than astounding. If he just continues to place blame on George Bush for everything that has gone wrong with this country he will be remembered as the single president who solved all of our problems.

                              The republicans don't stand a chance of winning the presidency for the next 20 years or so. It is pretty obvious that they will lose the both Houses of Congress.

                              I think it was shrewd for Obama to allow Manning and that Australian guy running wikileaks to expose so many classified documents. What patriots these men were to flip the bird at the administration to reveal all of these leaks.

                              Obama and Hillary Clinton were major players in fostering revolt in all those countries who had the Arab Spring. How delighful it is that the dictators were replaced with Taliban -like governments.

                              Perhaps Obama and Clinton's finest hour was when they developed commercials for Pakistan that blamed the uprisings in the Arab Spring countries as being caused by an abscure film denigratng Muslims, despite the fact that the uprisings inthose Arab countries were organized terrorist events. Even more elegant was how they manipulated the the media by asking them to withhold stories that countered their publicly stated statements. positions

                              It just keeps getting better every day.

                              The things that disappoints me about Obama:

                              1. The kids who Occupied Wall Street weren't all given $100,000 plus jobs the minute they finished college. Those kids who lived at home into their mid-to late 30s were destitute. Imagine only having smart phones an high powered laptops to coordinate the message.

                              2. He hasn't taken action to challenge the right to bear arms in congress and overturn the second amendment.

                              I really look forward to Obamacare. I see this as really driving down all medical/healthcare prices.

                              I really look forward to the tax rates that we see in other socialized countries--like Germany. Their economy is the strongest in Europe. We should also raise our taxes on gas at the pumps to support the programs. Minimum wages need to be significantly increased. The goal ought to be to ensure any family of 4 receives pay that is significantly higher than the poverty rate.

                              We need to adopt a once child per couple rule like China.

                              Obama also owes a complete pardon for OJ Simpson. There was never enough proof to show he killed his ex-wife.

                              Aside from some insignificant blemishes, Obama will go down as one of the greatest President's there ever was.

                              I think the economy is in or a major turnaround. Any time you see folks like Warren Buffet investing in something, it is a great sign.

                              It may take 2 to 3 more years but the housing market should be fully recovered within the next two years.

                              What wonderful and interesting time we live in.

                              Obama will be doing all of these great things even though her will have little or no cooperation from Republicans. Those morons want to balance the budget. That is like stupid idea #1. I always carry debt at home and the government should too. Republicans actually think it would be nice to make everyone pay a small tax and increase the rate it as your income gos way up. So after 40 plus years of Roe versus Wade, Republicans still are pro-life. How stupid is that that the Republicans think the government should interfere with the termination of a pregnancy? So republicans are against Gay and Lesbian lifestyles. That is so backward in today's society.

                              Republicans preach morality but hey don't practice it.

                              In Summary, there are few things that Obama hasn't done right but not many. Everything else he has touched has turned to gold.

                              I think we should considered allowing Presidents to serve multiple terms so we don't loose Obama's leadership. Wake up people, we need to start that process now!

                                Reply#243 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:26 AM EST

                                47% of the people in the US to be enrolled in food stamps programs is definitely a major Obama accomplishment.

                                That's a complete LIE! and not worth reading the rest since you lost all credibility. I hope the dry cleaners fail to get the skidmark stains out of your klan uniform.

                                  #243.1 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:36 AM EST

                                  @burford

                                  Nice one I'm suprised the liberals didn't nominate you for President. Oops at least one idiot responded

                                    #243.2 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:09 PM EST
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                                    All good suggestions by the think-tankers; however, they are more likely to rip each other apart before they come to an agreement.

                                      Reply#244 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:34 AM EST

                                      Hey Republicans --- did you see the speakers at the CPAC gathering this year? Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum, Alan West, Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, and Wayne LaPierre ---- this may be biggest collection of losers since the 50th reunion of the 62 New York Mets.

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                                      Reply#245 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:32 AM EST

                                      @charlie

                                      No Charlie you top that list all by yourself and saywhat

                                        #245.1 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:17 PM EST
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                                        SeekingSanity,

                                        I was wondering which vine you and all your cohorts would be on. Figures it would be the one where you could all bash republicans. I didn't see any of you commenting on the Jesse Jackson Jr. fiasco. Tell Bev and Pigotry hi for me, and then reach over and goose Fiesty..... then sniff your finger.

                                          Reply#246 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:54 AM EST

                                          Sounds like the GOP is going middle left!!! In other words they are going to have to learn to lie better!!!!

                                          The GOP will always be "Of the RICH, For the RICH, And by the RICH!!!

                                          BEND OVER HERE IT COMES AGAIN!!!

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                                          Reply#247 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:15 AM EST

                                          @saywhat

                                          Gov. Scott Walker announced Friday that Wisconsin will not create its own health insurance exchange, as part of the federal Affordable Care Act. Walker says he will leave the responsibility to the federal government.

                                          Updated: Gov. Walker's Statement

                                          In a letter to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Walker said:

                                          The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) gives states three options in building health insurance exchanges: an exchange built and managed by an individual state subject to federal mandate; a partnership plan requiring the state to perform functions on behalf of the federal government; or a federal exchange developed by the federal government.

                                          While the three options differ in who initially builds and operates the exchange, all three options are identical in that they are governed and controlled by federal policy.

                                          No matter which option is chosen, Wisconsin taxpayers will not have meaningful control over the health care policies and services sold to Wisconsin residents.

                                          If the state option is chosen; however, Wisconsinites face risk from a federal mandate lacking long-term guaranteed funding.

                                          In Wisconsin, we have been successful in providing health insurance coverage to over 90 percent of state residents without the creation of an exchange and absent federal regulation.

                                          We have a long history of being a leader on health reform issues, and with more guidance and greater state flexibility, our competitive market system would have ensured health insurance coverage to the most vulnerable Wisconsinites without federalization of our market.

                                          Unfortunately, operating a state exchange would not provide the flexibility to meet our state’s unique needs or to protect our state’s taxpayers.

                                          Therefore, after much consideration and outreach with citizens across the state, and in the best interest of the taxpayers of Wisconsin, we have determined Wisconsin will not develop a partnership or state-based exchange.

                                            Reply#248 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:27 AM EST

                                            Democrats go to Washington to help all people,

                                            Republican go to Washington for their own benefit.

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                                            Reply#249 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:28 AM EST

                                            Oversimplified & naive, but generally true.

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                                            #249.1 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:40 AM EST

                                            It's no longer clear WHY some Republicans go to Washington at all. Of course, the answer that rushes to mind is the obstruction of everything that Barack Obama proposes. But that's just part of it.

                                            Ted Cruz seems to be in Washington for the reason you propose -- for his own benefit. He's been in the House of Representatives for about three months and has already made a name for himself by suggesting that Chuck Hagel has been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak to North Korean and jihadist organizations. His ultimate goal seems to be a refurbished version of McCarthyism, with himself as the leader.

                                            Others in the GOP seem like decent and sensible men. And that includes Boehner. It's just that so many districts have been gerrymandered that they're no solidly red and will probably remain so. And Boehner is in the position of having to ride herd on a bunch of stampeding ideological right-wing buffaloes.

                                            Red states are doing end runs around Roe vs. Wade to end abortion. They're changing the voting rules to give more power to traditionally red counties. Some, like Florida, have done their best to inconvenience and thus disenfranchise Democratic-leaning voting districts. And it's we, collectively, who are responsible for this.

                                            The picture is a complicated one and the issue lies with the changing character of the American people.

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                                            #249.2 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:45 PM EST
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                                            kf4vko

                                            Democrats go to Washington to help all people,

                                            Republican go to Washington for their own benefit.

                                            Macdeezy-2292705

                                            Oversimplified & naive, but generally true.

                                            How, foolishly absurd can you be ? what are you two doing ? perhaps, sitting on the same smelly futon pouring blue koolaid on each others, well whatever?

                                              Reply#250 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:18 PM EST

                                              @saywhat

                                              Again you tell more lies Obuma's spending of 5.2 trillion dollars in only four years along with the Sequester he authored and signed into law. Lack of leadership skills etc. is what is dragging us back into recession. You seem to have a short memory that he just agreed in January to cuts if the revenue was increased by taxing the rich. Now he is back at the trough asking the rich to pay more again. But I'm sure you trolls think your movie star President is so wonderful he can't possibly do wrong. Why in hell would the republicans work with this liar and chief he is out running around on the campaign trail at a cost of $180,000.00 per hour to fly from place to place pandering for public support.

                                              Four years after the stimulus saved us from a depression, Republicans are dragging us back into recession

                                                Reply#251 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:57 PM EST

                                                There are still some opportunities for Repubs where Dems are weak, mostly what I call "proactive rule of law" positions.
                                                Example:
                                                Immigration: Redesign Enforcement of Immigration Law for 100% compliance, with professionals doing "red" testing, metrics, and countermeasures design. Get behind a "everybody comes thru the front door" approach.

                                                ID crime / privacy rights: Propose a national ID infrastructure that eliminates ID crime and confers advanced privacy rights to individuals. Design it so that the neither the govt. (nor corporations) can amass personal information. Link secure ID to advanced democracy features, such as secure e-voting, secure employment verification, etc.

                                                White collar crime: Be the party that can be counted on for tough enforcement of white collar crime (including Wall St.).

                                                Patent Law: Be the party that favors small, independent inventors over the big corporations.

                                                International Business Law: Come up with a way to defend the smallest businesses from cyber attack, IP theft and product counterfeiting by foreign actors.

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                                                Reply#252 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:49 PM EST
                                                myname123Deleted

                                                It's ironic that the reason the Republicans as a whole are having such difficulty is that they are "treading carefully with the tea party."

                                                We are in dire need of a constructive dialog between conservatives and liberals but we are having trouble finding responsible conservatives. The party as a whole is on the verge of becoming the once and future Whigs.

                                                When will a party member openly disagree with Rush Limbaugh?

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                                                Reply#254 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 8:28 PM EST

                                                Moderate Repubs fearing Repubageddon will happen soon, will put $ billions into the 2014 and 2016 elections to fool the world they have changed. Basically they are guilty of hating the majority of Americans until they can prove their innocence, they were outvoted in all national totals and only pulled off keeping the House by GERRYMANDERING.

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                                                Reply#255 - Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:16 PM EST
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