China and India are producing far more emigrants and immigrants. China in particular does not even have a path to citizenship for foreigners. And the EU is in shambles partially thanks to decades of open borders and big government handout programs for immigrants. But thanks for proving my point.

Pigotry, no one doubts that immigrants may help in the workforce, but they need to come here LEGALLY, obeying our laws if they want to be part of this society, and where is your PROOF that illegal immigrants cause LESS crime than "regular" Americans?

We already have laws that make it illegal to hire illegals! There is also ways of becoming legal citizens in this country! Why do we need new laws? This country waste more money defending and bickering over what laws mean than any country I've heard of. Most countries enforce those laws that are written and only change after the laws have been changed. Here we change laws if they don't suit you while the law is still in affect. So it seems to me whether laws are changed or kept the same no one will enforce them. It's truly sad our own President is telling our law enforcement not to enforce the laws we have on the books. Now that Romney is out of the picture maybe the Republican's will find someone that that will work for American's.

Pigidiotry - where to start...

1) We already allow in over 1 million legal immigrants per year. When you factor in specialty visas it is close to 2M each and every year. For context that is more immigration that is allowed in the rest of the countries of the world combined. Open borders will not fix any problems but destroy what is left of the middle class.

2) Your 'scholars' were paid by the open border lobby to fudge numbers. Recent immigrants are on welfare at double the rate of previous immigrants and are filling our jails at much higher percentages than their population levels. Your 'facts' are plain lies.

3) Wow, a couple 'immigrant' success stories. Ignore the millions on welfare and at the bottom of the economic ladder, their wage suppression effects. Not very smart.

Any type of plan that requires the current ILLEGAL immigrants to pay back taxes, etc., etc., just isn't going to happen.

They won't bother and most of them can't do what is required anyway...they are already living off of our welfare system and you expect them to pay back taxes, learn ENGLISH (I see this as a major stumbling block, they already don't care enough to learn the language anyway--there are thousands of them that have been here for years illegally and still can't speak a word of English).

All this is going to do is put an immigration reform bill on the books, you'll get all these illegals to register for it and then it will languish and not have enough people to track those on it to make sure they meet the requirements in the time allotted or they are deported.

All this will do is say, see we passed a bill - now vote for us.

But I do have one interesting question - the illegal immigrant community (those hollering the loudest appear to be Mexican) keep talking about we won't vote for you, etc., and since they are illegal, they're not allowed to vote anyway so who would care?

BECAUSE - they are voting illegally and we know it.

Pigidiot - The average illegal alien isn't creating any jobs. And there are numerous programs for foreign entrepreneurs. We don’t need an amnesty for that.

Pigidiot,

Latest figures confirm every 'illegal' alien costs about taxpayers $20,000 more than they contribute.

I suppose we could work something out with the IRS if any illegal alien wants to up to the window and register and pay a fine of $20,000 per year for eight (8) years, as the President suggest, to become a naturalized U.S. citizen.

And re-establish the American birthright as a person born of two U.S. citizen parents.

ex animo

davidfarrar

The problem of undocumented immigrants can be solved by making it easier for them to immigrate legally. Pres. Obama's reform is for this.

The reason it is so difficult to immigrate here Legally is because the immigration courts are overwhelmed dealing with the 12 Million Illegal immigrants in this country.

Illegal Immigration is whats harming Legal immigration and they should just get a pass when they are the ones causing the problem?

less than, net immigration is 0%. Bull@!$%# we let in 1 million immigrants a year legally.

personally, i don't care what the President or Congress thinks about this issue. THE PEOPLE have spoken. 80% of LEGAL American citizens disapprove of amnesty for ILLEGAL immigrants, and 80% of people do not agree on ANYTHING. if you are in the minority on this issue, that's too bad, but at least you are still free to spew your communist liberal welfare agenda.

NO AMNESTY!

Congress could have controlled immigration decades ago with an employer data base verifying right to work. The implementation they are now proposing is great but long over due.

Pigotry...you are thinking that most illegals are trained in some sort of skill other than smuggling themselves here. Most don't speak the English language, have any sponsor to take care of them, nor checked for diseases or drug addiction, left Mexico for criminal reasons, and most importantly will be dependent on the state or federal government. In your LaLa Land where you come from I am sure you sponsor all kinds if immigrants, that benefit society. It just so happens now when the current administration is spending the US in oblivion you want them to incur even more debt and responsibility all in the name of bought votes!

I suggest you start working harder so you can contribute more to make these dreams of YOURS a reality. I am also sure you already contribute more in taxes by giving more than is due by the government too. You are really far out there just like your progressives astronauts buddies. If you focused on not killing babies you have your own work force born and bred here.

This is the reality of an illegal immigrant in California. They come here find employment, work under the table, live in housing that supports far to many people than capable of, increase crime out of desperation, join gangs for protection and to make a living and send money back to families in Mexico. All the while treating the candy store like a dump that Mexico is.

If you are supporting immigration from other parts of the world I would agree would need educated immigrants whom WANT to be American citizens, who can contribute and have done it through the legal channels. You are supporting uneducated criminals who will ultimately be parasites of the system.

Go build YOUR utopian society somewhere else. I like Romney's plan of making it so hard they will want to leave on their own, leaving the door wide open for those that earn the opportunity and more important will contribute to our society rather than be a drain on it. You views are untested and are just media regurgitated back to the people...go buy someone else's vote you manipulator!

The only story here is the president of the united states of america, states he will push this through with or without the house.

NEWS FLASH for the United States Government

You are not elected to force your agendas on the people. This is a REPRESENTATIVE form of government. That means WE elect YOU to do what WE tell YOU to do. The vast majority of LEGAL American citizens are against amnesty. WE HAVE SPOKEN! Now be good little representatives and DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD!

What do you call a leader who does what he pleases regardless of the input of the legislative branch or the PEOPLE?

A dictator

There is obviously 2 sides to the debate and usually neither side is completely right but the truth lies somewhere in between. What is bothersome is when people like DAVIDFARRAR, insults and name calls because someone has a different view than he does. If you have an intelligent point of view it is difficult to take you seriously when you insult someone by name calling. It makes you look immature and makes one question your motives. Lets keep it civil. Remember we are all immigrants.

How many of you caught the comment that obama said

" I want this done on a bipartisan level but if Congress does not agree with me I will do it without them"

More of his power grabbing going on!!!! I am so tired of his thinking that he has the right to just decide that he can do it without Congress and whether the people like it or not!!!!

There is currently a case going though where the DHS secretary, holder and obama are all named in it for refusing to enforce the Constitution. A Federal Judge stated that is has merit a can go forward!!!

"Remember we are all immigrants."

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the "Native" Americans were immigrants too, from southeast asia, they just got here before the British, French, and Spanish colonized it. thankfully the British did what they did too, because if they did not colonize the land that WE took from the British, who would have stopped the Nazi's and the Japanese in WW2? if not for America, you would have no free place to spew your liberal party line BS. REMEMBER THAT!

why don't you try ILLEGALLY immigrating over to Mexico and getting caught....then telling them that and see if you get a smaller jail sentence?

the truth lies in respecting our laws and our sovereignty as we respect theirs.

First of all, Mexico has strictor immigration laws than we do and you want US to ease ours even more?

Second of all, The Constitution and Bill of Rights do NOT give the President the power to make laws. They SPECIFICALLY give that power ONLY to Congress. He then and only then approve or disapprove what Congress gives him. Then THEY can go back if they want and over-right his veto if they get enough votes to do so. Executive Orders are NOT legal laws. It does not matter what party the president is in.

The problem is some people who are trying to claim immigration is good are lumping together all of the immigrants, to make their point. That makes immigration seem great when you combine Mexican immigration with all of the other countries. The simple truth is there is VERY little innovation and job creation by Mexican immigrants, especially compared to the amount of immigrants. Some of these people come here to work, but many many more just come here to live off our system and get a free ride. Don't believe me? EVERY single one of them in line at the grocery store pulls out their welfare card like a badge of honor where I live. I truly wish I were exaggerating, but I'm not. What's worse are these are illegals, they aren't even actual citizens. Not to mention our Jail is full with quite literally 80% Mexicans, again, not making this up. I'm sorry but all this talk about immigration being good is only true if you don't include most Mexicans. They cost the American taxpayers a fortune with all of their demands and special "needs"and don't think twice about it, in fact they seem quite proud of it. And they have the nerve to claim that some of the states were theirs to begin with are stupid, then there would just be more of Mexico that they would still want to immigrate from and less states to immigrate to, because they would have ruined those states too. They are the only immigrants that try to force us to adopt their culture instead of the other way around. And the problem their culture obviously isn't good otherwise Mexico would be in better shape. Say what you will but these are indisputable facts where I live... :(

"Hey, truthhurtsattimes

The vast majority of LEGAL American citizens are against amnesty

Another unsubstantiated claim? Most people don't have a clear position on most issues."

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Hey, actually most do, there is actually less than 1% of the population that does not have a clear yes or no. 66% NOT IN FAVOR.

Just because you were too lazy to look it up and would rather spend your life on here spewing fancy words so publicly educated people will think you know what you are talking about, pushing your MINORITY agenda? You can pretend that the people did not bombard their representatives with emails and phone calls (shut down many of their call centers actually) until they stopped trying to ram it down our throats, but that does not mean it did not happen. blinders do not make what you refuse to see not exist. majority tyranny? that is called democratic majority. slaves and segregation? that is a totally irrelevant topic, nice distraction from the real issue, spin machine. those were legal citizens of this nation, and Americans are the ones who ended the generations long practice that the British started.

Rubio wants to call an immigration bill DOA? Next step, end Cuban refugee status - and pin it squarely on his attitude as he is a GOP wannabe ... see what kind of "hispanic vote" he gets with that. All the Ricky Ricardos of the world have to do is touch our shore for a "home free pass" as a refugee from, "shudder", those durn commies. Lift the embargo on Cuba, it's asinine, and end the Cuban free pass to citizenship.
Volunteering with kids, I told a little girl - a US Citizen - that her mom will probably be able to get a path to citizenship in about 2 years. Only the mother is undocumented, she is just a housewife, to a legal worker, and mother to 2 kids who are US Citizens. (Oh, the guy works at a car wash, in case anyone just really wants such a job - plenty of openings, all over SoCal, for car washes - but you'll barely get by, crammed into a little apartment.)
Unite families, and stop exploitation of illegal workers (keeps down wages of legal workers) - either jail their self serving American employers, or get them an easier way to qualify for a legal worker permit.
I hope President Obama fixes this, either with the GOP or without them - I could care less - just fix it. Cali has a Dream Act, I want to see one on a Federal level, stat.

The trouble is democrats don't want to listen to what the people want. They want to be re-elected next year and the year after that. President Obama knows that he only has 2 terms so in retrospect, his Presidency is fast becoming a dictatorship. I have already e-mailed my Senators and everyone on this Newsvine should do the same. I think it is a shame when people have been waiting 12 or more years to get into the country (such as my relatives) and the President thinks he can have illegals become permanent residents in only 8 years.

Such a slap in the face to anyone who has been patiently waiting in line.

Just another way to prove the point that Democrats don't really care about rights, so long as you go along with their ideals. If this was a Republican President who decided to bypass the laws, so many people would be outraged.

So where is the outrage now? Apparently Democrats who don't want this, aren't speaking out enough.

"Another example - still today, majority of Americans want prayers in public schools, ignoring religious minorities's legitimate objection. The Supreme Court time and again supported religious minorities in defense of Constitutional religious freedom."

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the freedom to not have a religion forced down the throats of our children by a public school is one of the many freedoms that LEGAL citizens enjoy. totally irrelevant. please try to stay on topic, diverting the conversation is a poor debate tactic.

Pigotry has no clue what is good for America. She is just so infatuated with the President that anything he says "Is a great idea and the right course of action."

We continue to work in support of a bipartisan effort, and while the President has made clear he will move forward if Congress fails to act, progress continues to be made and the administration has not prepared a final bill to submit.”

As other people have touched this subject.

#1. The Legislative branch writes bills not the Executive Branch. Either our "Constitutional Scholar" POTUS doesn't know how our government works or he thinks he can do whatever he wants.

How about submitting your budget to Congress which has been late for the last three years and is almost three weeks overdue? You know its called doing your job.

#2. You're already being sued over your last executive order bypassing Congress and if you do it again you will get sued for that one also. Only Congress can write immigration laws. Its in the Constitution if Obama would actually read it.

#3. Obama swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. What should we think every time he says he will violate it if he doesn't get his way?

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2013/01/29/judge-immigration-agents-suing-obama-can-move-forward/

Judge: Immigration Agents Suing Obama Can Move Forward

A federal judge ruled that nearly a dozen federal immigration agents can move forward with their lawsuit against their own bosses and even President Obama over change in enforcement policy that the agents argue prevent them from doing their jobs.

Federal Judge Reed O'Conner ruled on Friday Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents' case has legal merit. They argue their bosses essentially have forced them to look the other way and not enforce the law -- thus overstepping Congress by changing laws through directives rather than legislation.

The state of Mississippi joined the lawsuit against the administration but judge O'Conner dismissed the state from the lawsuit on Friday in the 35-page opinion.

The agents filed the lawsuit in October against the head of the Department of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano, and ICE Director John Morton, to ask the courts to overturn last year's directive by Obama to suspend deportation proceedings and offer temporary work authorization to some immigrants brought to the United States illegally as children.

Pigotry when we talk about illegal immigration in the United States we are talking about
Hispanics. Yes some others come here illegally but the majority is Hispanic.
Now if they are so law abiding why do they make up 20.6% of the prison
population when Hispanics only make up 16.3% of the total population? The
people that you talk about that create jobs all came here legally? Follow the
frickin laws and there will be no arguments about people coming to the U.S.

I have to say this to Pigotry. Yes Our Lady welcomes people to our shores but do not take her welcome and demean it by applying to these illegal people who break our laws coming here. The people who came and were welcomed by Our Lady did the right way and through the correct channels and became Americans. It is a slap in the face to those who are in line to do this. I don't know where you are and I really don't care but you are wrong, most people DO NOT this plan of this admin. For BO to say he will do this with or without congress is a slap to the American people and I really hope it comes back and bites him. I respect the OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES but I do not have to respect or trust the person in that office.

American leaders (including O) are supposed to be representing the best interests of AMERICAN CITIZENS and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS rather than tripping over each other to sell out the American worker (whose opportunities and rights are being devastated-- hitting poorer and working class Americans the hardst and disproportionately impacting minorities). Instead, the fools in office now (namely O, for whom I voted in '08 but not in '12) are engaging in this pandering display in favor of the ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS, their offspring, and their insufferable advocates!

Pledging rewards and special treatment incident to immigration lawbreaking now is the WORST WAY to demonstrate a commitment to enforce our immigration laws in the future. Reagan's 1986 Amnesty is Exhibit A, evidencing the fact that rewarding ILLEGALITY only serves to further incentivize MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS MORE INSTANCES OF LAWBREAKING IN THE FUTURE? Indeed, a commitment to reward lawbreaking will only serve to engender more lawbreaking in the future and that will be followed by demands for special treatment for that lawbreaking-- JUST LIKE NOW!

The ONLY thing that is "broken" is our leaders' commitment to enforce the very laws they are legally duty-bound to enforce! We permit 1 Million LEGAL immigrants into this country each year (more than all other countries combined). The issue is NOT whether we choose immigration vs. no immigration. The correct issue IS whether the lawbreakers (the ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS) will be rewarded and granted special treatment for their lawbreaking!

A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

The right thing for America is to round all of them up and send them back where they belong. Before you start with the what about you leave and go back, read my screen name. That should tell you something. It's past time to close the borders and no more immigration at all. There's enough people in this country now. Foreigners should have a better chance here. The government has enough programs set up just for them to help them out. if you were born here here tough @!$%#. Make it the best way you can.

most of the people i have known to be illegals they cant even speak spanish; true is in center america, the well educated stays there and wants nothing to do with the US. only the bottom of the poverty levels come here looking for a better place and work; many send most their earnings down to help family they left behind or to bring them illegally since there is no other ways; majority are good hard workers but without a chance to progress because own culturals believes and patterns; we need them for the basic jobs so called middle class americans would never touch but at the same token many fall on welfare; have childrens whom then are American citizens and have to live on welfare because of it and because their parents are under prepared for this sociaty; if path to legal immigration is granted; more illegals replace them later; if path is not granted the number will grow out of proportions and nothing will change; only the ones who have been criminals should be deported; to come crossing illegally to a more prosperous country with intentions to work should never be criminal; i know there are laws but this nation is made precicely by immigrants from everywhere; lets stay the course and help to those who can be helped; there are many and it is not all of them.

Obama is interested in those 11 millions of illegals for pure political reasons, not because he cares a bit; he will use them in future well planned agendas like gun control and whatever his preparing; just like he have used the spanish community apealing to its sheer ignorance to get himself re elected.

inmigrants will be greatful with the democrats and in turn will keep voting that ticket in up coming elections; this administration popularity is far worst than what the media shows and what regular folks believe to the main stream media; obama have said it himself mocking the Americans as ignorants.

Nothing this guy says is true but he says his lies over and over again so many times that i am sure he does believes in them with heart and mind; he feels hes got a job to do; to transform, to change america and for that he needs illiterates to fool with; the illegal immigration is perfect for this and his new pet project. obama's administration cant fix the economy completely but wants to fix and reform immigration? right!!

KC (#1.16) YOU ARE INCORRECT. ILLEGALS (largely poor and uneducated) consume far more in taxpayer resources than they pay in taxes: On January 8, 2013, NBC.com posted an article about how ILLEGALS are devastating healthcare resources (here is an excerpt, and there are many others):

. . . And since about two-thirds of illegal immigrants live in just eight states, those areas will have a disproportionate share of the uninsured to care for.

In communities "where the number of undocumented immigrants is greatest, the strain has reached the breaking point," Rich Umbdenstock, president of the American Hospital Association, wrote last year in a letter to Obama, asking him to keep in mind the uncompensated care hospitals gave to that group. "In response, many hospitals have had to curtail services, delay implementing services, or close beds."

The federal government has offered to expand Medicaid, but states must decide whether to take the deal. And in some of those eight states — including Texas, Florida and New Jersey — hospitals are scrambling to determine whether they will still have enough money to treat the remaining uninsured.

Without a Medicaid expansion, the influx of new patients and the looming cuts in federal funding could inflict "a double whammy" in Texas, said David Lopez, CEO of the Harris Health System in Houston, which spends 10 to 15 percent of its $1.2 billion annual budget to care for illegal immigrants.

Realistically, taxpayers are already paying for some of the treatment provided to illegal immigrants because hospitals are required by law to stabilize and treat any patients that arrive in an emergency room, regardless of their ability to pay. The money to cover the costs typically comes from federal, state and local taxes.

A solid accounting of money spent treating illegal immigrants is elusive because most hospitals do not ask for immigration status. But some states have tried.

California, which is home to the nation's largest population of illegal immigrants, spent an estimated $1.2 billion last year through Medicaid to care for 822,500 illegal immigrants.

The New Jersey Hospital Association in 2010 estimated that it cost between $600 million and $650 million annually to treat 550,000 illegal immigrants.

And in Texas, a 2010 analysis by the Health and Human Services Commission found that the agency had provided $96 million in benefits to illegal immigrants, up from $81 million two years earlier. The state's public hospital districts spent an additional $717 million in uncompensated care to treat that population.

If large states such as Florida and Texas make good on their intention to forgo federal money to expand Medicaid, the decision "basically eviscerates" the effects of the health care overhaul in those areas because of "who lives there and what they're eligible for," said Lisa Clemans-Cope, a senior researcher at the Urban Institute. . . .

Make them citizens. Just keep, them in California where they best fit in with the liberal agenda.

Pigotry..............the CNN article that says 40% of jobs have been created by immigrants is lopsided. Of course 40% are created by immigranst we are a nation of immigrants. LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. The immigrants that are being debated right now however are illegals. For the most part uneducated and most likely not going to creat jobs but simply work and send money back to mexico to send more to this country. We have laws to protect this country from the influx of too many but thousands break those laws each year. We should not allow anyone to become a citizen who is here illegally. If I break into a neighbors home I go to jail. If these illegals break into our country the are to be rewarded? It is wrong. the kids born here are citizens and should be left here if the parents choose either with legals or in custody of the government but the illegal parents should be sent back and then put on a fast forward list to qualify for legal entry.

Why should Mexico have to reimburse the US when most of the Latino illegals are not Mexican born? They are, as the one post indicates, the poor of the many Central and South American countries who entered Mexico illegally and worked their way north.

Do any of you know why Mexico doesn't have an Olympic team? Any of them that could run, jump or swim are already in the United States!

send them home with their kids,old ronnie did this before and they failed at the one part of the bill that should have been the most important part-secure our border. these illegal aliens are taking jobs from americans,period. I don't want to hear that they are jobs that noone wants either,because there are people out here wanting work and not getting it. they flood the construction trades and all other kinds of low-pay jobs that our teenagers used to be able to get. rewarding criminals is not the path to take, I say send them home,go door to door with these agents(how about using these homeland security agents) and if their not documented...ship them to the border and be off with you. SECURE OUR BORDER FIRST.

The government is setting up for failure and collapse. I really hate to see what we have become and I wont be surprised if im still around when this nation tumbles down. Nations have in the past, were about due for it ourselves.

Rubio says Immigration can only work with H2O or it will dry up !!!

I sure its been said, but let me say it again, not one of you people that are against immigration can honestly say that any of your people did not come from someplace else, not one of you. The facts are deporting 11 million people is a near impossible task because of our revolving door. Many that are deported view deportation as a vacation trip home, on the tax payers dollar and are back before the bus driver has finished his breakfast. The constant illegal crossing of our borders and deporting isn't working any better then the war on drugs. We need to first secure our borders. Then for those already here and working we need to open our hearts and let the sunshine in. It is the only way practical to get a handle on our problem .

Repugnicans and Tea Partiers keep barking at the wrong tree. Apparently they haven't learned nothing from the last election, so they're keeping the same pattern and are doomed to lose the House in 2014. Then Obama won't need to ask anything to the Repugnicans. Better listen and learn from past mistakes, otherwise you're condemned to repeat it again. Latino & Women vote was your "stone" in the shoe. Keep pounding on those two groups and you won't win an election in many, many, many years to come.....

Hi,

First I believe that if Osama Obama does push Amnesty through he should be impeached for not following the laws of the nation that are already in place. As far as the illegal immigrants, we should arrest all 10 - 20 million of them, put them in prison, and work them in change gangs like their country would. We should also make a law that at least one parent has to be an American before a born child can be declared an American. We should arrest any business manager that hires an illegal immigrant for the benefit of his or her company and put him in with the chain gangs of illegal immigrants so that he can lead them to rebuild our infrastructure, this way the cost of labor should be minimal.

I an American taxpayer cannot soak up any more taxes caused by our Liberal Santa Claus government, the only other recourse I see if the government won't do it, is a dedicated walk to Washington DC to stop this mess now. We need people millions of people to do this walk and clog up Washington for a few days telling them that we want this illegal immigrant BS to be stopped. It must be peaceful and planned, we must let Osama Obama know that we are fed up with his tactics.

Smerf: You couldn't impeach Clinton fro screwing Monica, You couldn't impeach B43 for 4,128 American dead chasing WMD and you want to impeach Obama for a LAW that supposed to come out of the Congress???? Did you ever attended school??? Did you know how a "bill" becomes a LAW???? Please stop living in FAUX NEWS LAND where everything is a dictatorship but they don't even know the definition of "dictatorship"....?????

Smerf: You couldn't impeach Clinton for scre...ng Monica, You couldn't impeach B43 for 4,128 American dead chasing WMD and you want to impeach Obama for a LAW that supposed to come out of the Congress???? Did you ever attended school??? Did you know how a "bill" becomes a LAW???? Please stop living in FAUX NEWS LAND where everything is a dictatorship but they don't even know the definition of "dictatorship"....?????

We had a 'comprehensive immigration reform' bill passed and signed by Reagan in 1986 with virtually the same provisions as what Obama wants (link below), but the enforcement provisions have been ignored for the last 26 years, so now we have ANOTHER 12 million illegal immigrants wanting THEIR version.
Unless we have REAL border security, what's the point of passing ANOTHER 'reform' bill that will be conveniently ignored?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

pigotry, it is only obvious that you work for this administration because your comments are always first. Please go away.

Actually it wouldn't surprise me if Pigotry was actually Obama.

We should have a sound immigration policy.

The U.S. should follow immigration policies that are similar to Canada, Australia and other western countries. These western countries require that people who want to become citizens of their land can: independently support themselves for at least 6 months, are educated and have marketable and professional skills. Surely, not every intended immigrant will fit into this category. Thus, we should have citizenship paths for those that do not meet the desirable requirements. Our resources are strained. The U.S. cannot be "an open door" for every single person that wants to come here.

truthhurtsattimes "Remember we are all immigrants."

Actually the majority of us are born US citizens, we are not immigrants. Somewhere down our tree, one of our Ancestors immigrated here, but to say we are "all" immigrants is false.

the "Native" Americans were immigrants too, from southeast asia, they just got here before the British, French, and Spanish colonized it.

Actually this too is incorrect and has been documented in a DNA study done by Harvard. What they established is since 1492, Native Americans have mixed with European and African populations. They did not come together but in successive waves, Native Americans migrated to America in three waves. One population crossed a land bridge from Siberia during the last Ice Age. One from the other subsequent migrations showed DNA of in Eskimo speaking populations in Alaska, Greenland, and Canada. The last was detected in the Canadian Chipewyan group who are 90% made up of First Americans' DNA. In summary they discovered that there were multiple waves of migration that interbred with the earlier groups in parts of North America. According to DNA, at some point we all trace back to Africa.

thankfully the British did what they did too, because if they did not colonize the land that WE took from the British, who would have stopped the Nazi's and the Japanese in WW2? if not for America, you would have no free place to spew your liberal party line BS. REMEMBER THAT!

That is only speculation. One would never know what would have happened "IF". Its crazy to even speculate. Besides the British were not the only ones to migrate to the Americas during the time they arrived on the East Coast. You have heard of the Louisiana Purchase, you know land settled & owned by the French. You have heard of the Republic of Texas, land owned by Mexico. Areas that were not part of the 13 Colonies but certainly part of America and present day US. It could have easily gone a different way if either the France or Mexico took over the US. But again, "IFs" No one can speculate on ifs and should never try. It is what it is because certain events took place for certain reasons during those time period.

ROY,

The biggest problem is not border security.

3 of 4 illegals come here legally in busses, cars, trains and airplanes using US provided visas. The problem is that many of them do not leave when their visa expires.

More dollars should be spent on a tracking method for those that are here because their visa allows them. Some method of regular check-in like we have for people on probation should be mandated.

The cost of a tracking system would be far less than billions to secure a border that can never be 100% secured. Spend border security dollars on stopping the gang and drug related violence.

Hi,

@Martin33198,

First of all I totally support Mr. Clinton getting a BJ in the white house, it proved he wasn't gay and I totally support it.

Second -- all intelligence that we had indicated WMD, Saddam wiped out a city with WMD, but even if we didn't have that intelligence of WMD Iraq should of fell because like all uninformed lieberals, do you remember the rules of surrender to Iraq, do you remember Navy Air Craft being engaged and shot at by Iraqi aircraft.

Yes I attended school, I also attended the Navy when our pilots came back after being engaged and shot at. WHERE WERE YOU, probably as home asleep in your little nice warm bed, eating your porridge and peas, and saying isn't life wonderful.

I passed my exams of life the hard way, and don't like no little punk telling me did I go to school, the only reason some of these Presidents didn't get impeached was because of the liberal press supporting these puppies.

Did GWB do right, maybe he should of played liberal, and said we have no right to attack other countries to get Al Quaida, since they were in other countries. Did you want to wait until New York was completely destroyed.

Thats all we hear, GWB said WMD and there were none, Could it have been that the CiA was completely exhausted and disabled during the Clinton years while he was enjoying that BJ.

Pigotry "Current U.S. visa policy is thwarting would-be job generators from pursuing their aims within our borders. We cannot afford to expel these vital individuals."

Nobody is wanting to 'expel vital individuals' - the innovators that help create jobs and open businesses, but let's not pretend that those illegals who sneak across the borders make up any serious portion of this group.

The vast majority of those that sneak across the borders don't have any money to invest and don't even have a high school diploma. They end up being a costly net drain on the taxpayers, and the only real reason that you want them in is because they will ultimately vote overwhelmingly for the Democrats because of the 'free' benefits that they get.

Current immigration laws have failed so far...let's move on.

Thanks, Mr. President for trying to fix them.

"We want your talent" should be our slogan.

NO!!!!!!!

"We can make our own talent" should be our slogan.

We spend more on education than any nation in the world other than Switzerland. We educate foreign students that go back home with degrees in science, technology, engineering, math, medicine and other vital professions. In the meantime we have millions of high-wage/good benefit jobs here being unfilled because we continue to allow our incompetent government to run our education system.

Most Americans graduate high school reading at an 8^th grade level. U.S. adults rank 12th among 20 high income countries in composite (document, prose, and quantitative) literacy.

Instead of worrying about adding every 4 year old to a Begindergartner program we need to fix our criminal government run public education system. Ever since we allowed the governments monopoly to take over our education system our children have ranked worse than other OECD nations in reading, math and science.

These are the 3 most vital areas we need to be competitive in the new 21^st century global economy.

We dwell on getting our children into college when 20% of high school graduates can’t read their diplomas.

Approximately 50 percent of the nation's unemployed youth age 16-21 are functional illiterate, with virtually no prospects of obtaining good jobs. Nearly half of America's adults are poor readers, or "functionally illiterate." They can't carry out simply tasks like balancing check books, reading drug labels or writing essays for a job. And we wonder why our society continues to collapse?

44 million adults in the U.S. can't read well enough to read a simple story to a child. This is the classic, “the blind leading the blind”. When we have functionally illiterate parents trying to help functionally illiterate children the results can’t be good.

To participate fully in society and the workplace in 2020, citizens will need powerful literacy abilities that until now have been achieved by only a small percentage of the population. This is what happens when we reward mediocrity and demonize success. The class warfare/envy meme that Barrack Hussein has been promoting is socially destructive but politically successful. Insulting the rich and successful is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. When Americans are told the best they can achieve is to be middle class and then admit we need more and more advance educated people, confusion sets in.

46% of American adults cannot understand the label on their prescription medicine. According to the American Medical Association of Medical Colleges, by 2027, the nation will need an additional 150,000 doctors to meet demand. Remember, it takes between 23 and 28 years to become a physician. This is an additional 11 to 15 years beyond high school. Unless we are adding that many new students to our medical schools today we will be suffering a worse doctor shortage than we are today when we add 20 million illegal aliens by “immigration reform”.

Over one million children drop out of school each year, costing the nation over $240 billion in lost earnings, forgone tax revenues, and expenditures for social services. This equates to a $2.5 trillion loss of wealth for our nation over the next 10 years. It only goes to reason if we allow citizenship to 20 million illegal aliens the cost to our already fragile economy will be dramatically increased.

Our great Republic won’t be fixed on politically motivated decisions. A comprehensive immigration reform solution MUST be more concerned with the long term consequences rather than the immediate political benefits.

Unfortunately our political system never worries about tomorrow, they only worry about retaining their power and control they have over us today.

Immediate concerns about immigration reform must be balanced by the long term effects as we hopefully fix our failing education system. If not the unwashed masses that keep the political parties in power will only increase as our competitiveness in the global market will decrease.

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio "ROY, The biggest problem is not border security."

The 'biggest problem' is actually the lack of enforcement of our immigration laws.

In 1986, Reagan signed the last version of 'Comprehensive Immigration Reform', with the following provisions;

• - required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status.
• - made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit unauthorized immigrants.
• - legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants.
• - legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt. About three million illegal immigrants were granted legal status.

Isn't it interesting that those seem to be most of the same provisions that Obama is pushing for now?

The REAL solution is to just enforce those existing laws, with an emphasis on requiring that every employer use E-Verify to make sure that all of their employees are legally entitled to work here. It should have much stricter penalties against EMPLOYERS for violations - including criminal charges. If we just enforced the existing laws, we would see millions of illegal immigrants 'self-deport' because they couldn't find work, and THEN we could humanely deal with those that remain.

A 'new law' with the same provisions as the old law, which will just be ignored again, accomplishes nothing.

Rand Paul, the Tea Party darling, is talking now on FOX, and he has just said even he supports Obama's bipartisan approach to immigration reform.

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Republicans better wise up, Romney lost the Latino vote 27% to Obama's 71%.

I am tossed on this one. But a few things most don't know.

It takes on average 10 years to become a legal US citizen coming from Mexico due to quota policies within the government while if you are from other parts of the world it can be done in less than 5 months. And many of the ones doing it in five months really don't like us much, live by their own laws, and refuse to assimilate.

If someone is illegal and becomes legal, it is only one form to fill out that will apply all payments made to a false SS# to a legal one. And since many illegals declare 9 or 10 dependents, they will be able to receive full SS without ever having paid taxes. And while they are supposed to be separate funds, they owe it to the US to pay those back taxes in order to gain citizenship. Most countries require either payment or proof of financial security to gain citizenship.

While I appreciate people wanting to live the American dream, I believe there should be a cost. Charge for citizenship and eliminate the payment of welfare for anyone who would gain citizenship through this program.

Obama is now starting to show his true colors of being a dictator. I think the President should give up his salary and give it back to all those who entered the US legally.

ROY,

What I find interesting is that neither Party actually wants to enforce e-Verify

Democrats do not want to punish the employee

Republicans do not want to punish the employer

Perhaps the most vile employer is the one that pays the illegals below minimum wage under the table screwing both the employee and the American citizens.

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

Another interesting thing is that the SS Administration knows exactly what SS#'s are valid and not. They know if one is being used by more than one person. They know if one is being used by a a dead person.

They simply don't want to do anything about it because it is a source of revenue.

The "leaks" from the White House continues.

Anything to get the Progressive agenda through via public opinion.

Another interesting thing is that the SS Administration knows exactly what SS#'s are valid and not.

It's also probably the reason why so many illegals end up voting in the elections.

John,

Actually SS does not know if some numbers are being used illegally.

The SSA only knows about numbers assigned to deceased people that have officially reported as deceased.

In addition there are millions of SS numbers assigned to children and students that are not employed. The SSA does not have a “logic” test that would say “this card number belongs to a person that is too young to have a job”.

Unhappy,

There is nothing (zip, zero) to support your claim {period} !

Johntho I sure its been said, but let me say it again, not one of you people that are against immigration can honestly say that any of your people did not come from someplace else, not one of you.

I am sure it has been said, and let me say it again, not one person is against LEGAL immigration. In fact most believe we need to improve the bureaucracy withing LEGAL immigration to shorten the time frame it takes to process LEGAL immigrants.

The facts are deporting 11 million people is a near impossible task because of our revolving door.

Not really, if they cannot find work, which is the reason most come here in the first place, then where do you think they are going to go? Home! Finding a job should be left only to those who are LEGAL immigrants.

We need to first secure our borders.

Agree, above anything else.

Then for those already here and working we need to open our hearts and let the sunshine in. It is the only way practical to get a handle on our problem .

Reagan opened his heart based certain variables that were to happen. One being employer enforcement. But the lobbyists succeeded in softening the sanctions on employers who hire illegal immigrants. Thus we doubled the illegals that came across the boarder.

This time the boarder must be closed before anything else. Then and only then should they past Legal Immigration reform and adhere to no lobbyist. Employers must be fined heavily if caught, Illegals must serve jail time here in jail if caught and then shipped back to their country, this after the new regulations are implemented. Those here illegally now, should be dealt with as in the Rubio's joint resolution with 8 other Republican & Democrat Senators. Absolutely NO AMNESTY whatsoever. It is not fair to those immigrants that have followed the rules and waited for years to come here legally. This country want's those that follow the rules, not those that break our laws. Break one law your bound to break others.

Americans cannot discuss illegal immigration to any extent because we are unable to even get past the first step of acknowledging there is a difference between legal and illegal immigrants. In fact, critical thinking is so controlled by party affiliation and said party policy that to call it thinking is a joke.

For Instance, Obama claims to preside over lower increases in Federal spending levels than other presidents, yet runs deficits higher than any president in history. This claim is true based on one year's budget in 2007 when BOTH parties championed bailing out wall street. End result, last 5 year's deficits twice the previous records of the Shrub. And this is supposed to be success?

Another detail glossed over due to partisanship - An analysis regarding who made out well o the recovery - 'Incomes rose more than 11 percent for the top 1 percent of earners during the economic recovery, but not at all for everybody else, according to new data. The numbers, produced by Emmanuel Saez, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, show overall income growing by just 1.7 percent over the period. But there was a wide gap between the top 1 percent, whose earnings rose by 11.2 percent, and the other 99 percent, whose earnings declined by 0.4 percent." Yet Democrats cheer said results that they would justifiably scorned and vilified under a Republican Administration. Another resounding success apparently!

So please quit making arguments on these boards claiming something other than what they are - weak positions and arguments lacking valid details including critical thought. Positions pushed and cheered simply because of partisan rhetoric.

Obama is becoming America's Hitler.

OK so here's the question:

If it is proposed to take 8 years to become a citizen, wtf are these illegal basterds going to be doing in the meantime? Sucking off gov't assistance at taxpayer expense while still living under illegal means?

This is not acceptable by any means! Throw them out!

Pro,

By asking that question you freely admit that you have not been paying attention to the proposals from House members, Senate members (Gang of 8) or the President.

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

I think you would be mistaken. I am an employer who hired a kid that spoke fluent English, Graduated from a Arizona high school with a 4.0, bought three cars and a house. I did everything according to the laws governing hiring including taking a copy of a real SS card. When an employee is hired a first report of hire must be filed.

It just so happens that his uncle had a SS# and lived in Texas. This kid was working in MN. I found out that 4 or 5 of the relatives and friends were using the # in different states all over the country. I consulted a lawyer, the authorities, let him go and they did nothing. He came here on a visitors pass at 14 and never left.

Don't try to tell me that the SS Administration didn't know that the one man could not be working in 6 states at once when they were receiving funds from all.

On a side note: Can we all hit inflammatory on wilson so maybe MSNBC would ban them?

Yet another purposeful leak by the Obama administration. Obama is just setting the stage for another round in his infinite blame game against Republicans. Obama has no interest in an immigration bill supported by Republicans, as that does not advance the totally left liberal ideology of our president. Obama wants a battle, he wants blame, and in the end excuses for why his reasonable plan failed pass. Obama's sole desire is Democrats taking over Congress in 2014, and if he can't spend the next two years using Republicans as his whipping boy that has less chance of success. Never have we had a president so inept, that absolutely nothing can get done, and it is all the fault of Republicans. What a pathetic excuse for a president and a political party. The Democrats have been highjacked by the ultra left wing liberals, who only have their vision of a socialist country in mind.

P.S.: If we want to create jobs in America, we must welcome foreign-born innovators.

Now, that's a sentiment I agree with wholeheartedly!

America was built by such people.

People who applied for citizenship, and were set upon that path at places like Ellis Island. People from all nations to come and do such, not just people from any one area who, by convenience of a common border, sneak in here illegally.

People who wanted to be Americans.

Please tell me Pigotry, why don't these people come in the Front Door, like someone from, perhaps...Norway? The UK? Zimbabwe? Jamaica? China?

We need to close the border, use returning US troops to do it if necessary. It's only a matter of time before people who are distinctly NOT from the Americas sneak in here and do great damage.

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As I recall, the people who want to come to America do so for her boundless opportunity; Where else on the planet can an Austrian bodybuilder go, and become Governor of one of the biggest States?

Arnold came in the Front Door. Good for him. So have a number of the greatest minds in history.

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Oh, and here's a little something for the "We Hispanics were here before the 'White' People:

What rights did your Conquistadors provide to the indigenous People here that they 'discovered'?

Francisco Pizarro, now there's an example of Mankind's integrity, huh?

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john,

I did not say that what you said was incorrect – there is a problem with several different people using the same identity and/or SSN.

I merely pointed out where there are other holes in the SS system that can allow the use of a number where the SSA won’t discover the miss-use for years, if ever.

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio

Another story. My son turned 18 last year. He has been on my payroll since he was 14. When we did a first report of hire we had written down his SS# in error. All his bank accounts were also in error. We applied for student loans through the government and they caught it. To me, that means that as long as the money is coming in i.e. his SS payments made by me and him, they did not care. It was only when he asked for money that they cared. IT also means that they are capable of doing their checks and balances.

Also, death certificates are filed with the government. I don't know whether one part of the government does not talk to the other, but that is easily remedied.

SS is a government cash cow. I think they know quite well.

Obtaining money or citizenship; it all boils down to "Is it legal; did you break the law to get it." This is like bank robbers, burglars and other thieves whining because we don't want to let them keep what they obtained by breaking the law. Want money or citizenship? Prove you are worthy by working for it within the legal system!!

Why should lawbreakers get a special "Fast Track" those fine people working through the legal system do not get? Are we going to start giving the same breaks to the other common criminals?

How does this work in the other direction, from the U.S. to Mexico or ANY OTHER country in the world?

Those damn pesky white house leaks

The draft was obtained from an Obama administration official who said it was being distributed to various agencies. The official requested anonymity because he was not authorized to release the proposal publicly.

Yeah right!

One of those senators, Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said Obama's bill repeats the failures of past legislation and would be "dead on arrival" in Congress.

"It fails to follow through on previously broken promises to secure our borders, (and) creates a special pathway that puts those who broke our immigration laws at an advantage over those who chose to do things the right way and come here legally," Rubio said. "It would actually make our immigration problems worse."

Isnt that the goal? Bankrupt the US sooner than later?

Dennis

The White House is not directly commenting on a newspaper report that the administration is considering a path for illegal immigrants to become legal permanent U.S. residents within eight years

Well then it's hard to surmize exactly what is in this 'path' since mums the word isn't it?

Stop acting so self-righteous - you don't know anything more than anyone else does.

Pro,

I was responding to this question: [wtf are these illegal basterds going to be doing in the meantime?]

That question has been addressed/answered if you were paying attention !!

Sure, we need immigrants. Legal immigrants.

I wonder how many fortune 500 companies were started by illegal immigrants that snuck across the border?

Do people realize that it is easier for someone to come from Mexico LEGALLY than it is from any other country? Mexico has the greatest number of legal US immigrants compared to any other country. So they already get the most legal immigrants, yet somehow that is not enough?

What exactly needs to be reformed about immigration? You go to an embassy in your country. You apply. You are either accepted or denied. You either move to the US or you don't. Seems to work for the most part for everyone else except for those from Latin America. For some reason, even though they get the most legal immigrants, following the rules is not fair to them.

Deport every single person you find in the country illegally. Don't care if it is a scientist from London, or a pregnant single mother of 5 from Mexico. If they are here in the country illegally, there should only be one path for them, and that is not the path to legal status or citizenship.

Disclaimer, my wife came here legally, my mother came here legally, my aunt came here legally, my cousin came here legally, and several of my friends came here legally.

Annual Immigrants to U.S. by Origin (as of 2010 – most recent data):
Asia = 422,058 (40.5%)
Mexico = 139,120 (13.3%)
Europe = 88,730 (8.5%)
Total all = 1,042,625
For the first time in nearly 100 years immigration from Asia tops the list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

For those of you that are spouting numbers about illegals...Mexicans...you think they fill out questionnaires and so on and so forth...well you are stupid to say the least. These people fly under the radar completely using false ID's as much as possible, they don;t pay taxes they don't care about taxes, what little is withheld is lost. In Tx and Ok sheriff depts try regularly to infiltrate so they can stop the use of false ID;s to no avail they do not trust anyone but their own period. So to think Poltifac has the answers is ludicrus at best.

No reform is necessary. If you are here illegally, get to steppin. You broke the law when you entered this country without documentation. I need a passport to enter Mexico, I suggest you do the same. Round them up and ship them home. End of discussion. No grey area.

You do NOT need a passport to enter Mexico but you will need one to get back into the US.
http://gomexico.about.com/od/entryrequirements/f/need_passport.htm

Like I said in an earlier comment … most of the illegals (75%) come here legally but do not leave when their visas expire.

Yet Mexico is only 13.3% of all immigrations to the US and only one-third of immigrations to the US from ALL of the Americas, our closet neighbors – the only countries that anyone can get here by transportation other than ship or plane.

Amnesty did not work for the United States in 1986. How could we even think it will work the 2nd time around. Perhaps for getting politicians elected but not for the good of the USA.

Our elected officials do not want to enforce the provisions of that 1986 Immigration Reform, we now have 12 million undocumented immigrants. Are we going to enforce the provisions this time around, I don't think so.

NO AMNESTY. Contact your elected officials now and let them know, you, the current legal voters will vote them out first before they can hope the undocumented immigrants vote for their party in the future. Implement the laws. Suspend the H-1B program while unemployment is high.

Dennis- a self-righteous know-it-all. By the way Ohio State sucks

@ Rick-3416939,

Your assessment of the Obama administration regarding Immigration reform is quite delusional. Never assess a politician of any Party by their rhetoric. Rather, you assess them by their legislative action and/or legislation proposals. From the onset, Obama was against Arizona's SB1070. And only ONE Republican spoke against it, once. Marco Rubio was this Republican. Except, Marco's family of Cuban refugees received free passage to the US whille he himself was always against any proposals for an earned path to citizenship for other Immigrants. Marco, then, criticzed the Obama administration over not proposing a Buget to Congress. However, he now would condemn the administration if the proposing an idea for any comprehensive immigration reform proposal. The GOP is slippery like a snake on the immigration issue like everything else. When they were in power during the past, they legislated no immmigration reform when able to do so. During the 2012 election, the GOP advocated self deportation for immigrants. Now, during a post 2012 election era after Romney's loss. The GOP wants no immigration reform proposal from the adminstration who first acted on reform with the Dream Act. The GOP isn't interested in legislating solutions. They're more interested in presenting the illusion they did something about immigration while someone else legislates the Bill to escape criticsm from the xenophobic TEA party base......period.

Yep, our borders are secure (just ask Mr. Obama or Mrs. Napolitano), therefore march to the beat of the drummer to "MY" comprehensive Illegal Alien (Immigrant) Amnesty program. And, they will probably say "We don't have an Illegal Alien (Immigrant) problem".....sorta like "We don't have a Progressive spending problem".

Wait a minute....our borders are secure ? Guess those "border" homeowners should make a statement, or two, or three, or four.

Pigotry

Current immigration laws have failed so far...let's move on

can you please qualify this statement? My wife is Russian, immigrated here to the U.S. in the late 90's. She went through all the legal processess, paid her fees and after 7 years was granted citizenship. The point is, there is nothing wrong with our immigration process. It works just fine if people choose to follow it legally. We just need to enforce what we already have. By streamlining, fast tracking, amnesty, etc, all these are a huge slap in the face of people like my wife who came here and went through the legal channels.

Pat Paulson, of the old Smothers Brothers TV show, said during one of his tongue-in-cheek runs for US President "All the problems in this country are due to an unenlightened immigration policy of the part of the American Indians"

Sleazebag politics. Every President since the beginning has made deals under the table and slipped thru legislation when his party had the upper hand, but this little man is the lowest of the low. He never intended to negotiate a planned immigration, he was holding onto this "special deal" till the time was right, then have Reid or Pelosi introduce it. I say don't give him what wants, give him what he deserves.

Did anyone see how badly Jay Carney stumbled over his lip trying to explain it? Wish I could have seen it.

Pigotory-"immigrat led innovations will bring jobs"?....where do you come up with these ideas? I guess we don't see the same immigrants. I live in souther New Mexico. I see ladies from Juraez come across the border to have their babies at taxpayer expense at a howspital in El Paso, stop off at the welfare office and be home by the time their first check arrives. I see drug smugglers bringing all kinds of drugs and violence across which is bad enough, but with their money they corrupt local officials and police. I see folks who are desperate so they are here to get all they can get at our expense. And you would have them dilute my citizenship for their benefit? Come on. I don't see jobs.

"a laughing stock in the world" Do you know what a foreigner has to go through to get a job in some European countries? In Holland, for instance, a foreigner has to go to court to prove that no citizen of Holland can do the job, and only then can a foreigner work.

Amazing how other countries protect their workers huh?!? Not America!

Pigidiot - We have plenty of people for all jobs - in case you haven't noticed there are over 20 million people out of work and many had to train their foreign born replacements before being fired.

What there isn't in America is a lot of people willing to sleep 20 in a house and work for slave wages.

Quit your shortage shouting - nobody is buying it anymore.

It's not broken. It was designed to allow a certain number of people in LEGALLY, not just those that could scale a fence, outrun the border agents, or hop into a boxcar.

It was designed to ensure that those that entered would be a benefit to the country and not a detriment onto our social welfare system--in other words--we don't need impoverished, uneducated immigrants who would just immediately go onto the welfare system and become a burden to the rest of the legal citizens of the country.

It was designed to keep every Tom, Dick and Harry out that wouldn't meet those requirements - and also the criminals with records in their home country--we don't want them either.

It WASN'T BROKEN until all the illegals decided to break the law and say the hell with it and enter our country illegally. And the majority (latest info shows at least 78% of latin america illegal immigrants--Mexico included) are on welfare in this country. We don't need you. You are NOT contributing, you are just sucking the blood out of this country and taking away from those that are legally here.

The 11 million people who decided to break the law by coming here illegally is who has broken our immigration system and who is breaking the back of our country. Look at what's happened to California--the illegals in that country have overrun the schools, broken the medical community by forcing hospitals to close because they can't pay for medical treatment and have the nerve to ask that we put everything in Spanish and other languages--get a clue man - if you want to speak your language, then move back to your country. You want to take what we have to offer but give nothing in return. You want to turn the US into the slovenly, crime riddled country that you created and fled from.

Sorry--no sympathy from this native-born American. Sick and tired of your whinning about rights, you have no rights, you are not legal citizens.

If I had my way, I'd deport each and every one of you law breakers back where you came from as quickly as I could.

You have no freaking clue who Obama is for one! You are just like the rest of the fools that voted for him meaning you did not know anything but the words "change" and "yes we can" You are all a bunch of cool-aid drinking ijiots that need to wake up!

Why don't you give up your job for one of these illegals? That is what you are asking people like me to do! The only people who want illegals here are the illegals family, friends, lovers, employers who want their cheap labor and politicians who want their vote! That and a few liberals who want to feel good about themselves! I guarantee you that you fall in one of these categories and if not then you are an illegal yourself! Now get out of my country

Our immigration system was never broken, our immigration enforcement is. We need to require all employers to use e-verify. The illegal immigrant problem would be solved within a year.

"Too slow, too inefficient"

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you forgot "lenient" and "unenforced"

want some real parity? look up Mexico's immigration laws, hippie...WAKE UP!

Kimbo, where do you get your "latest information" from?

Pigidiot...you must be a paid liberal spewing the same brainwashed scam they do on the corrupt and left leaning media. You need a reality check homeslice. You need to live where these illegals immigrants are so you can see the true reality of what you are trying to sell or convince others on. You obviously don't speak from experience you speak from a brainwashed platform to LALA LAND. You my fat porky progressive are a true moron and are exactly what is wrong with the country today. Unless you give more than everybody else and don't take welfare, are not on food stamps you should really close your stinking snout.

Maybe you think by repeating yourself over and over you will win people to your ridiculous views like they have won you over. Barney is a guy in a big purple suit by the way, and Obama is a divisive, constitutional destroying socialist. FYI Mr. Utopia Nut Ball Pig Boy

Re: Pigotry

Tell you what, Why don't you give us a call when your shuttle lands ok.

JEDIUTAHN, If you are correct in your point of view and are at of high school age, why do you water down your viewpoint with insults and namecalling PIGOTRY? You may be passionate about your perspective just as others are but calling someone a moron and an idiot because they don't see things the way you do is an insult to those who share your view and makes you look like an extremist. You may have some really good things to add to the conversation but it will be clouded in your delivery.

Re: Kimbo47

Very well stated. Too bad other people ignore the facts that the United States will become just another third world country if politicians like Obama, Rubio, McCain. Guiterrez and Menendez keep going the way they are going.

Pigotry......your examples of great success stories such as Google and Ebay founder forget to mention one thing. These guys immigrated "legally" and they are not coming from Mexico where the vast majority are poor, uneducated and unwilling to assimilate into this country, but nice try.

You also state that our workforce needs a math and science educated workforce, which is very true. However, not to many Mexican or natural born US citizens seem to be pursuing this field. It is mostly foreigners here on work/study programs legally from India, China, or other Asian countries. Many illegals from south of the border do not complete their basic high school education. This country has been flooded by people who are poor (by no fault necessarily of their own) who have now become a financial drain on this country, and the dwindling taxpayers. Close the borders NOW, change the law, that anyone born in the US must be born from at least 1 US citizen to qualify for citizenship, and those here illegally need to apply for citizenship which means no criminal record, must have minimum of high school education, and pay a penalty, and if they break the law they will be deported pure and simple. No other country in the world tolerates this non sense. We have millions who are unemployed, can't find a job, whose wages are declining and you want to take more unskilled, uneducated, government dependents, and classify them as vital to the workplace?

Last I checked Obama was not a dictator. He as the POTUS needs to work with the different branches of government to get things done. He does not make laws by decree, and someone needs to tell this so called "constitution scholar" as much, because as smart as everyone keeps telling us he is, he sure doesn't seem to get the basic premise of the law and how this country operates. We have immigration laws, enforce them!

You think the President cares? He stopped listening to the people a long time ago. We didn't want the healthcare law, so he shoved it down our throats. We didn't want him to raise taxes, he shoved that down our throats as well. Now he is shoving illegal immigrants down our throats and raising our taxes to pay for them. This shows how out of touch he is with society. Let him try giving up his job for an illegal immigrant to see what kind of person he is.

All you people who voted for Obama I just hope that he doesn't screw you over next, the way he did with everyone else.

Everybody acts like this is the first time we are going to pass a complete immigration bill.

The problems is the first 1 passed was a good law, but never enforced and the whole process started all over again and here we are 25 yrs later and have to deal with another 18 million INVADERS and REWARD their illegal criminal behaviour.

The PIG wants you to think that giving these UNDOCUMENTED INVADERS will create jobs is a joke, with about 14 million still unemployed and now the PIG wants to add 18 million more legal to work, will add 32 million to a work force that cant employ them !

we in california has seen first hand what the INVADERS has done to the hospital ER rooms it bankrupted them and our state budget is bloated and cant sustain more people sucking off the system !

and 25 yrs from now we will be passing another INVADER law because as history tells us, NO ENFORCEMENT leads to more INVADERS !

pig....take a walk around downtown Dallas at 2 A.M. unarmed and then you can come back and discuss illegal immigrants, if you're still around.

The ONLY thing that is "broken" is our leaders' commitment to enforce the very laws they are legally duty-bound to enforce! We permit 1 Million LEGAL immigrants into this country each year. The issue is NOT whether we choose immigration vs. no immigration. The correct issue IS whether the lawbreakers (the ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS) will be rewarded and granted special treatment for their lawbreaking!

This country will collapse from within. Don't believe it? Fine. Maybe you will live to see it then you can say,oh yeah. The very government the people elect are selling them out day after day to some forigen interest. They do not care about the American people at all. Just their pay, how they look and what they can profit from next. The sad thing is the natural born citizens don't do anything about it. If this was a black issue there would be thousands of them protesting. Maybe now is the time for all of us to join together for a change and do just that. Start sending them emails or letters and let them know if this passes they have won their last election. Hit them where it hurts,in their pockets. That will get their attention real fast.

Pigotry = Bigoty

Here piggy piggy oink oink (shank shank) oiiink! oiiink!...you were already fat enough, good bacon by the way...now STFU you liberal scum

We were promised border security after Ronald Reagans amnesty they did nothing they will do nothing again fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. No more amnesty till they secure the borders no more cheap labor that lowers our wages. No more amnesty to those that break our laws and you republicans who put this all on democrats is your president who first gave us amnesty and all the lies to protect our borders ans MCcain whos been pushing this and GW did too.

I continue to be amused at the Presidents politics. It seems on every major subject he says the same things. " if they fail to act then I will" " if they don't present a plan then I will present mine." But wait there hasn't been much action on the budget or immigration or any other issue important to this country for nearly 5 years yet he has not presented any of "his" plans. You know why ? He doesn't have any plans other than trying to make the mess we are in look like someone elses fault. He is not a leader. If he were he would present "his plan" and let congress work it out. Thats what leaders do. They get the ball rolling with the basic framework and then let others work out the details. I am reminded of the cowardly lion in The wizard of Oz. Instead of " If I only had a brain" Obama must be saying " If I only had a plan".

Pigotry,
Everything you referenced was for LEGAL immigration, which I have no problem with. The illegals that are here now need to leave and follow the process like everyone else.

You are so hip on Mexicans; go to Mexico and TRY to become a citizen, you can't even own land unless you were born there.

You obviously have never tried to find work in the E.U.(at least not in the past decade).

Every one of the immigrants you listed were here LEGALLY. Even when we get "talent" legally sometimes their ideology is not American. Look up Operation Paperclip.

P.S. Can I have your address? I want to come sneak into your basement/attic, tap your water and electric supply and use as many of your resources for free that I can, then complain that I don't have a say in how you run your house... sounds fair to me.(sarcasm off)

you people are IDIOTS,,,pig here is a paid scumbag for the right and thanks alot IDIOTS!

It's long overdue-time to round them up and ship them home! they are taking jobs and as history tells us the dems will not fund border security to prevent more of this from happening. We have done this BEFORE, how did that work? We went from 3 million to 18, I don't care if their kids were "born here" so they are citizens,that's bull. SECURE OUR BORDERS, no more illegal aliens. there are plenty of LEGAL americans waiting to fill these so-called unwanted jobs(they do jobs no american wants?) . These "job creaters" piggy is spewing about can GO BACK TO MEXICO and "create jobs" there.

Nope, no Latinos on that list. That's the problem, the Latinos work here but don't support the economy.

I was forced out of the home building industry because I didn't want to go from $28 an hr to $12. When was the last time you saw a latino family out for dinner at a restaurant? That is why a lot of of our local restaurants are closing.

Hummmmmmmmmmmm ... Isn't Washington Amazing? The president & all of congress complain about "Leaks" ... Yet leaks of "convenience" like this one " a trial balloon" ... go on & on ...

"The People" are supposed to just know what "they" want you to know ... (laugh)

The two faces of Washington a "Sieve" .... & a "cesspool" .....

Pigotry wants to know what evidence we have that most Americans oppose illegal immigration? Try looking at these discussion sites.

POLL: February 2013–Public Policy Polling

• Over 60% of voters support a path to citizenship. 64% of voters nationally think illegal immigrants should be given a chance to apply for legal citizenship, compared to only 27% who think they should be deported back to their home countries.

• This includes a majority of white voters and a plurality of Republicans. Over two thirds of white voters with an opinion on the matter (60/29) and a plurality of Republicans (44/41) support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants in the country.

For all those who cry that the "illegals" steal the jobs of the "Americans" there are plenty of rural and agricultural jobs that Americans doesn't want to take because they are too hard (picking up tomatoes under 110 Fº isn't a bed of roses). California opened a program to hire Americans to do those jobs. Only 40 persons applied, and after 1 week, only 5 remained at the jobs. So tell me where are the Americans applying for those "cheap and hard works that those "dirty" illegals do for us??????

Grandpa: This poll doesn't go deep enough. Yes, they should be allowed to apply for citizenship, but they need to get in line like everyone else. The poll also doesn't state if they should be entitled to free benefits while living here.

Anyone who has relatives waiting in line OUTSIDE our borders, knows that this poll is a bunch of CRAP.

Only 40 persons applied, and after 1 week, only 5 remained at the jobs. So tell me where are the Americans applying for those "cheap and hard works that those "dirty" illegals do for us??????

Martin : Try the Construction industry. And if illegals were really doing all the jobs that Americans won't, why do we so many of them in Construction? I don't recall there being a shortage of produce picking jobs?

It's really simple. Illegals use that as an excuse to stay, then they move on from there just like any other person.

Karl 917535...You are correct. I will take that into consideration as I can get emotionally involved sometimes and stoop to the Pigs level.

Hi,

This is why I and the wife are thinking of leaving this country, I am now retired and was thinking of going to Canada, but they aren't accepting Americans, we then tried Austraila and they want only certain educated people and trade types in. So our choices are South America, and the Philippines. Are all you liberals catching a clue here. Yes today the liberals are the higher per centage of voters and poll takers, they want the Santa Claus Government because they want free sheet. They are the reason that America is 17 to 19 trillion in debt. The only thing I can say is why don't we all quit working and go on welfare, then who will take care of the needy and under priviliged.

I can see a new Mexico coming, and it isn't a state in the United States, it will be the United States, we are almost there, people using drugs, bars on apartment windows, barbed wire around parking lots, 12 foot high fences with barbed wire on top, drive by shootings, people afraid to go out after dark, cities going broke, housing with ten families living in them,

AND

Miss Piggy wanting more of this fine American life that we have created. Yes we are a very versitle nation, that is getting ready for the big collapse. \

THE EXPERIMENT IS COMING TO AN END, WELCOME TO THE THIRD WORLD AMERICA

Smerf, please leave your passport on your way out. We don't need you. GOOD BYE!!!!!

Unhappy: I've tried and I've seen it what you said. And I've seen Latinos hanging on the roof under the summer sun in Miami, and when I've asked the contractor why? He told me "AMERICANS DOESN'T WANT TO CLIMB UP ON THE ROOF WITH THIS HEAT" (and charge me more)... So, I've seen it first hand. Thank You.

Martin: Until you (and all those who agree with you) are willing to pay back all the money that legal immigrants used to come to the US, only then would you have the right to speak. Otherwise, you really should be quiet.

It's not fair to take money from legal immigrants and use it for illegals.

Pigotry "For example, US K-12 education system has not produced enough math science students to meet the challenges of global competition. American colleges are the crown jewel of US education system and have to rely on foreign imports."

So your answer is to encourage the recognition of 12 million illegal immigrants who sneaked across the border, the vast majority of who didn't even graduate from high school?

Somehow, I don't think we'll find many 'math/science whizzes' in that group.

Let's be honest - they come for the 'Free benefits', like free education (in their native language), free health care (Medicaid and/or emergency room care), free food stamps, free housing assistance, etc. (puts a whole new meaning to the term "Land of the Free" doesn't it?), and despite what some liberals claim, they DO NOT pay anywhere near the amount in taxes to compensate for their cost to taxpayers, especially when we factor in the $Billions we spend each year for illegal immigrants in our prisons for serious crimes.

Unless we secure our borders and enforce our existing laws on immigration, what's the point of passing any new laws that will be similarly ignored?

Unhappy: Those illegals as you said, pay rent, pay service bills, pay for groceries, if they have a fake SSN the don't apply for returns. They want to be under the grid and do nothing to call for attention, so stop that misinformation that the illegals takes from this country, because they are not exempt for being illegals. You don't notice them, that's the story. Ask yourself, how much the illegals collect in returns from government???? NONE, how much are they waved (like BIG Corporations) NONE. So, why don't you show your rage when companies like BP, EXXON, GE and others have grants by the government over the taxpayer shoulders and the illegals have NONE????

Unhappy: Those illegals as you said, pay rent, pay service bills, pay for groceries, if they have a fake SSN the don't apply for returns.

Martin: How much money do you think they get in welfare, that allows them to pay rent, pay for groceries, etc.?

I know for a fact, that most ( if not all) are not entirely living off of their own means, so spare me your lecture on how they contribute to the economy.

You don't notice them, that's the story. Ask yourself, how much the illegals collect in returns from government???? NONE,

How much do the illegals collect in welfare, free schooling for their kids, free healthcare? If you say NONE, then you are lying to yourself. And their have been reports that illegals are claiming nieces and nephews on their returns as dependents, even if they don't live with them.

So, why don't you show your rage when companies like BP, EXXON, GE and others have grants by the government over the taxpayer shoulders and the illegals have NONE????

Because companies like this, have nothing to do with this argument. Why don't I start talking about how Planned Parenthood, sponsored by the govt., is is probably providing abortion services to illegals? And yes, that is with taxpayers dollars too.

He told me "AMERICANS DOESN'T WANT TO CLIMB UP ON THE ROOF WITH THIS HEAT" (and charge me more)... So, I've seen it first hand. Thank You.

So in other words, it is YOU who doesn't want to pay more for their construction services, is that right? Afterall, you said the owner can't pay his workers more, and no doubt you picked him for his low prices. But you said, illegals get these jobs because it is based upon the fact that Americans WON'T do those jobs. You see where the fault lies now, right?

Everything would be broken when you fail to enforce the laws. Our borders are not secure. Immigration laws have been very selectively enforced. So to call the system broken seems more like a planned outcome. Selective enforcement of our laws is very much in the Obama playbook.

The US immigration system BORDER has been broken for some time.

Seal the borders.

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Grandpa

Most Americans believe in a path to citizenship. The problem is what is being advocated by Obama is a path that pushes illegals to the head of the line in front of immigrants who obeyed the laws, and in effect rewards law breakers and punishes the law abiding. It also sends the message that if you can get here by any means, you (and your entire family) will eventually be welcomed and awarded full citizenship.

You can get any statistic you want by how you ask the question. Too many people accuse those opposed to illegal aliens of opposing all immigration. It's just simply not true.

So do I support a path to citizenship for the illegals here? Yes, but it should be no different than the path all others must take and steps must be taken to close the borders first and foremost.

jrsygrl, your reply to Grandpa is dead on.
Obtaining money or citizenship; it all boils down to "Is it legal; did you break the law to get it." This is like bank robbers, burglars and other thieves whining because we don't want to let them keep what they obtained by breaking the law. Want money or citizenship? Prove you are worthy by working for it within the legal system!!

Why should lawbreakers get a special "Fast Track" those fine people working through the legal system do not get? Are we going to start giving the same breaks to the other common criminals?

How does this work in the other direction, from the U.S. to Mexico or ANY OTHER country in the world?

Do you all not know the difference between legal residents and citizens? The article specifically talks about residency, not citizenship, in 8 years. The bi-partisan plan also has specific requirements and timelines for application for citizenship that don't put anyone ahead of others. If you're truly in agreement with a path to citizenship, I see no reason to have an issue with this.

The US immigration system has been broken for some time, and has become a laughing stock in the world. Too slow, too inefficient. In fierce global competition, it really helps the US to streamline the immigration system and specific procedures, so we can welcome hard-working people to come and start working faster.

It's become the laughing stock because we pretty much don't enforce it. Last CBO estimate was only 60% caught currently.

For example, US K-12 education system has not produced enough math science students to meet the challenges of global competition. American colleges are the crown jewel of US education system and have to rely on foreign imports. Anf the GOP is supposed to be the party of family values, and should support the idea of families of immigrants staying together.

Our education system has nothing to do with immigrants, in fact the illegals HURT our education system. With holding citizens back while our tax dollars pay for ESL teachers so the illegals can learn enough english to learn in school is crap. Besides, our government is the one ruining our education system along with the illegals.

The article specifically talks about residency, not citizenship, in 8 years. The bi-partisan plan also has specific requirements and timelines for application for citizenship that don't put anyone ahead of others. If you're truly in agreement with a path to citizenship, I see no reason to have an issue with this.

Unless there is language in the bill to shut down the border and not allow these new 'residents' to receive ANY government aid (which is the same paper legal residents have to sign) then obama's bill is a no go.

Smerf... we also have undocumented immigrants from South American countries and the Philippines.

As I understand, look up the top 4 countries by legal immigrants, they also have the highest undocumented immigrants in the country. Quota gets filled up right away every fiscal year because too many wants to come to this country, legal means or not.

63% of likely U.S. voters think that border control is more important than “legalizing the status of undocumented workers.” Only 27% put amnesty ahead of border security (Rasmussen, March 2011).

67% of likely U.S. voters believe that states should enforce immigration laws if the federal government fails to do so (Rasmussen, February 2011).

68% think that securing the border is more important than granting amnesty to illegal aliens, 26% favor amnesty (Rasmussen, March 2010).

67% believe that illegal immigration is a strain on the federal budget, 23% do not think so (Rasmussen, March 2010).

66% agree that the availability of government benefits attracts illegal aliens to the U.S., 19% disagree (Rasmussen, March 2010).