First Thoughts: Elkhart (and America) four years later

Elkhart four years later … State of Union stronger, but not as strong as it could be … It’s still the economy … Obama under 50% in latest polls … Dems plan to ‘win’ the sequester … Bipartisan gun deal? … Breannan pressed, but could teach Hagel a thing or two … Dempsey ‘surprised’ Clinton didn’t know about Benghazi cable.

Published 9:45 a.m. ET -- *** Elkhart (and America) four years later: Exactly four years ago tomorrow, President Barack Obama -- who had just been sworn in for his first term -- traveled to Elkhart, Ind., to sell his economic stimulus. At the time, Elkhart had a sky-high unemployment rate(19.4% as of Feb. 2009) due  in large part to the city’s reliance on the manufacturing industry (especially the making of recreation vehicles). “I promised you back then [in 2008] that if elected, I'd do everything I could to help this community recover, and that's why I came back today, because I intend to keep my promise,” Obama said. Because of that promise, NBCNews.com began a series called “The Elkhart Project” chronicling the city’s recovery. Four years later, with Obama set to deliver his latest State of the Union address on Tuesday, Elkhart is pretty much the story of America: Things are better, but not back to where they were before the economy crashed in 2008. Elkhart’s unemployment rate is now 9.3%, down significantly from its peak in ’09, but below the state (8.2%) and national average (7.9%). “We’re definitely not where we want to be, but we have certainly rebounded from where we were,” said Barkley Garrett, the city’s economic development director. “All in all, considering where we were, we are doing well. But we have a long way to go.”

Aug. 5, 2009 (archival video): NBC's Chuck Todd poses questions to President Obama about the economic realities that most Americans, particularly those in economically hard-hit Elkhart, are facing during the recession. President Obama spoke at Wakarusa, Indiana announcing federal grants to support hybrid RV and pick-up manufacturers.

*** The State of the Union is stronger -- but not as strong as it could be: Speaking in Elkhart four years ago, the president acknowledged that full economic recovery would take time. “Even with this plan, the road ahead won’t be easy. This crisis has been a long time in the making; we’re not going to turn it around overnight,” he said. “Recovery will likely be measured in years, not weeks or months.” We now begin Year Five of America’s road to recovery. The state of the union -- at least economically -- is stronger than it was four years ago. But it also would be a stretch to say it’s as strong as it could be.  

*** It’s still the economy: Despite the focus on guns and immigration, the economy remains the biggest story. And with analysts believing unemployment will remain in the mid-7% range into next year, the philosophical fiscal divide in Washington, mirrored across the world, will continue. There’s been no bridging the conservative view that austerity measures/spending cuts, especially in the public sector, to reduce the debt will lead to growth and the liberal view that more temporary deficit spending is necessary to provide support to a fragile economy -- and that those public-sector cuts are a big part of what's holding the economy back.

*** Not great news for Obama in latest polls: The president’s approval rating in a round of polls after his reelection showed Obama over 50%. Well, this morning the president’s approval is under 50% in both a new FOX poll (49%) and Quinnipiac poll (46%). The FOX poll also shows pessimism continues to reign.

*** Democrats plan to “win” sequester: Part of Obama’s State of the Union is going to be the sequester, Politico notes, and pushing for ending loopholes for the wealthiest, something Democrats believe they have broad support for: “Senate Democrats are digging in against Republican calls for deeper spending cuts by bringing out some of their favorite punching bags: corporate jets, Wall Street and Big Oil. With the automatic budget cuts in the sequester coming up next month, Democrats hope to vote on an alternative plan to raise taxes on some of their favorite boogeymen in hopes of shifting the blame when the GOP inevitably rejects it. … The Democratic public pressure campaign is expected to begin in earnest next week, starting with President Barack Obama’s State of the Union address on Tuesday and a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing expected Thursday at which senior administration officials will most likely sound the alarm that so-called sequestration cuts would devastate the economy. … According to sources familiar with the matter, Democrats are leaning toward a plan that would be split 50-50 between spending cuts and tax hikes, financed in large part by new taxes on corporate and wealthy taxpayers.”

*** Bipartisan gun deal emerging? Guns is also likely to be a topic, and AP reports that there’s a bipartisan private group that is aiming at forging a deal expanding background checks and working on mental health issues. AP: “A bipartisan quartet of senators, including two National Rifle Association members and two with ‘F’ ratings from the potent firearms lobby, are quietly trying to find a compromise on expanding the requirement for gun-sale background checks. … The senators' talks have included discussions about ways to encourage states to make more mental health records available to the national system and the types of transactions that might be exempted from background checks, such as sales among relatives or to those who have permits to carry concealed weapons, said people who spoke anonymously because they were not authorized to describe the negotiations publicly.” The senators involved in the private group include Democrats’ No. 3 Chuck Schumer, Joe Manchin (D-WV), and Republicans Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and Rep. Mark Kirk of Illinois. It’s significant that, once again, Schumer’s in the middle of this, positioning himself as a dealmaker. Makes us wonder if Harry Reid’s thinking about retiring before his re-elect in 2016…

*** Brennan pressed, but could show Chuck Hagel a thing or two: The confirmation hearing for John Brennan to become CIA director began with fireworks with Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Sen. Dianne Feinstein needing to shut it down and clear the room after five protests. Eight people were arrested outside. Brennan sparred with senators over drones, torture, leaks, and Benghazi. Some senators disagreed with him and pushed him, especially on interrogation. Some might not be happy with his "I don’t know what the truth is" answer, but he was ready, confident and unapologetic. He acquitted himself much better than Chuck Hagel, the president’s nominee to be Defense Secretary. It was a stark contrast. Jill Lawrence, writing under the headline “John Brennan Shows Hagel How It's Done,” called it “a startling 180-degree contrast.”

*** The debate over kill or capture: The Washington Post notes that Brennan was challenged on why “the number of drone strikes has soared while captures of terrorism suspects have dwindled to single digits” under President Obama. “I never believed it's better to kill a terrorist than to detain him,” Brennan said in an exchange with ranking member Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA). Still, the number of detainees has declined significantly, according to the Post. Is it because of better intelligence? Does it have to do with Obama wanting to avoid detainees? It’s an important question, but one no one with any knowledge is going to answer in public. (Brennan will go at it again in a closed classified hearing with the committee Tuesday.)

*** Dempsey ‘surprised’ Clinton didn’t know about Benghazi cable: Two pieces of news came out of the other hearing on the Hill yesterday before Armed Services with outgoing Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey: (1) Panetta and Dempsey said they agreed with a Hillary Clinton (State)-Gen. David Petraeus (CIA) plan to arm rebels in Syria, and (2) Dempsey said he was informed of the Benghazi cable requesting more security by the U.S. African Command, that he offered more help, but it was turned down. And then when asked how what he thought about Secretary of State Clinton testifying that she had no knowledge of the cable, he said, “I would call myself surprised that she didn’t.”

*** Obama acknowledges tension with Capitol Hill Democrats: At the House retreat yesterday, the president rallied Democrats about budget cuts and that he’s willing to fight for Democratic values in the court of public opinion with Republicans. “I have to tell you, if that's an argument that they want to have before the court of public opinion, that is an argument I'm more than willing to engage in,” he said to. But he also acknowledged tensions with Capitol Hill Democrats with this: "There will be times where you guys are mad at me, and I'll occasionally read about it." Today, Bill Clinton (10:00 am ET) and comedian Stephen Colbert (!!!) address the group.

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Republicans are hoarding the wealth...so We will have a slow recovery..so they can win in 2014..lets put a stop to it...executive order..of gold...take from it

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Reply#203 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 10:58 AM EST

You bet your ace I'm hoarding my wealth....to keep it way from those like you.

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#203.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:18 AM EST

told you people...Obama executive order on gold...do it

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#203.2 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:21 AM EST

Elvis,

The solution for you is to go earn your wealth yourself. Jealousy is a bad trait.

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#203.3 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:30 AM EST

Im poor..so what...i will do what i can to help America out if i can..like now..my mouth

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#203.4 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:35 AM EST

Elvis,

Nothing wrong at all with being poor. That being said, there is not wrong with being rich. What is wrong are those that think something is wrong with being either. It is called individual freedom. You choose what you want to make happen for you life. We all have ups, downs, obstacles etc.

That being said, you should be happy for the rich. These are the people that are paying for the majority of the services we recieve via the US Government. Instead of demonizing them we should be praising them.

I'm sorry if you are poor and do not want to be. But if you want to change it, only you can make it happen.

Best of luck.

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#203.5 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 3:15 PM EST
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Well I assume you are on any of those programs,in wich you want to cut.

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Reply#204 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 10:58 AM EST

he is..but wants us to read his bull.sh-it

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#204.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:00 AM EST
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Republicons got beat at their own game,They Lost bad,twice,and I assume they will not gain seats in the midterm.
In 2016,dems get the house back and Hillary wins the white house.

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Reply#205 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:01 AM EST

This is where you are wrong. After 8 years under Democratic leadership, the country will be SCREAMING for change. In a couple of years after we hit bottom, there will be a sweep of Republicans in House, Senate and Presidency.

Ha ha.

Then you take your spinach. Hope you have an education to get a job.

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#205.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:34 AM EST

Sham...

You best get your crying towels ready! You are in for one RUDE awakening! The GOP will not even get close to the White House before 2032

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#205.2 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:52 AM EST

Then you can kiss your country goodbye. The democrats are destroying this country. It is coming. If you don't see it then you have your head in the sand and in denial.

Hope I can find a better country to live in. And I can hear the hate coming for saying that.

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#205.3 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:05 PM EST

leave before its to late please

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#205.4 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:07 PM EST
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Nice to see the IDIOCRACY is alive and well. And apparently it has no reading capability or comprehension as well.

Nor does it understand the concept of property taxes. Which had nothing to do with the article above.

We are doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Reply#206 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:17 AM EST

    yeah ..thats right..i don't pay taxes....ask the tea nuts in office they will tell you...while they collect our...socialism..money..while they work they call the government the big bad wolf.yes we are doomed..to hell if we dont stop you clowns

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    #206.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:19 AM EST

    the post above has nothing to do with property taxes...my my...where does the food come from...children's education...where do they collect..to pay for that..the man who is doomed

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    #206.2 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:25 AM EST

    Elvis....what a disgrace to the name.

    The INVESTIGATIVE ARTICLE i pasted had absolutely NOTHING to do with Property Taxes. You can cut and paste all the Boolsh you want. However, UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY READ what I posted, you won't get it.

    I am tired of paying for people like you...............You want to BLAME everyone ELSE for YOUR PROBLEMS. LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!!!!!!!!!

    I assume you are an ADULT and poor, if so then get off your ace and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!

    IF YOU WOULD ACTUALLY READ the article, then you would see that there are MANY programs that can assist you in SUCKING OFF OUR TITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    QUIT HAVING A PITY PARTY!!!

      #206.3 - Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:11 PM EST
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      I find it funny that the fiscal conservatives that post on this site show an in-depth understanding of economics and government.

      The liberals, on the other hand, only a handful have anything meaningful to post. They use facts and math to defend their position. I applaud them. The other morons... please stop posting.

      After hundreds of posts explaining the situation in 4th-grade terms, you still don't get it.

      16.5T of debt. The only way to pay down the debt is to not only cut the deficit, not only balance the budget, but have a surplus greater than the interest on the debt (225B a year).

      So, cutting the ENTIRE military budget won't solve the problem, in fact it will make it worse. I'll explain in a minute.

      Even if you cut the entire military budget, you still have a deficit. This deficit coupled with the interest means MORE DEBT.

      You need to cut MORE and raise MORE revenue. You can't tax anymore, because no one will have jobs after you cut the military budget. And raising taxes stifles the economy. And increasing taxes raises nothing compared to growing the economy.

      If you cut medicare altogether, it will have almost no effect on the economy and we will save almost 1T a year. It you cut the military, you will save 1T a year and lose 2T as we fall into recession and the unemployment number doubles. Military spending creates tons of jobs in the public and private sector. It creates technology and products that trickle down to consumers, like GPS which is now found in every smart device and creates tons of products and services. All of this means REVENUE and economic growth.

      Between economic growth (revenue), taxes (revenue) and cuts, we need to raise revenue and cut spending a combined 1.75T a year. This will create a surplus of 500B a year, which will pay down the debt of 40-50 years.

      We had a first sub-one-trillion-dollar deficit since Obama took office, and everyone is excited. Now we need about a 750B surplus to make any difference.

      I just caught Atlas Shrugged part 1 and 2 the other night. Haven't read the book since college. Every liberal should see this movie, because most can't read, and it show exactly where we are heading. Government intervention and greed creating needy, demanding, dependent citizens.

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      Reply#207 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:31 AM EST

      All we have to do is tap into the oil this country has. We will be able to pay down the debt and become a rich nation instead of a poor one.

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      #207.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:36 AM EST

      let me help you out..

      What are property taxes?

      Property taxes—also called ad valorem taxes—are locally assessed taxes. The county appraisal district appraises property located in the county, while local taxing units set tax rates and collect property taxes based on those values. Many taxing units outsource to a single entity in the county. Property taxes provide more tax dollars for local services in Texas than any other source—they help pay for public schools, libraries, playgrounds, city streets, county roads, police, fire protection, emergency medical service and many other services.

      How does the property tax system work?

      There are three main parts to the property tax system in Texas:

      • An appraisal district in each county sets the value of property each year. A chief appraiser is the chief administrator and operates the appraisal office.
      • A citizen board, called the appraisal review board (ARB), hears any disagreements between a property owner and the appraisal district about a property’s value.
      • Local taxing units—city, county, school and special districts—decide how much money they will spend by adopting a budget. Next, the units set tax rates that will raise the revenue necessary to fund their budgets. The adopted budgets and the tax rates set to fund the budgets determine the total amount of taxes that a person will pay.

      The property tax year has four stages: appraising taxable property, protesting the appraised values, adopting the tax rates and collecting the taxes. The following represents a summary of the process.

      1. A large part of each appraisal district's job is to estimate what your property is worth on January 1. What a property is used for on January 1, market conditions at that time and who owns the property on that date determine whether the property is taxed, its value and who is responsible for paying the tax. Your appraisal district also processes applications for tax exemptions, agricultural appraisals and other tax relief.
      2. Around May 15, the appraisal review board begins hearing protests from property owners who believe their property values are incorrect or who did not get exemptions or agricultural appraisal. When the ARB finishes its work, the appraisal district gives each taxing unit a list of taxable property.
      3. In August or September, the elected officials of each taxing unit adopt tax rates for their operations and debt payments. Several taxing units tax your property. Every property is taxed by the county and the local school district. You also may pay taxes to a city and to special districts such as hospital, junior college, water, fire and others.
      4. Tax collection starts around October 1 as tax bills go out. Taxpayers have until January 31 of the following year to pay their taxes. On February 1, penalty and interest charges begin accumulating on most unpaid tax bills. Tax collectors may start legal action to collect unpaid taxes on February 1.

      Does Texas have a state property tax?

      No. Texas has only local property taxes levied by local taxing units. The state does not have local tax records on each property and its ownership and does not set your property’s value for property taxes.

      Which local taxing units may tax my property in Texas?

      All taxable property will pay county and school taxes. If the property is located inside a city’s boundaries, you also may pay city taxes. Special taxing units— junior college, hospital district, road district and others—may also tax your property.

      How can the State Comptroller help local governments and taxpayers?

      State law allows the Comptroller’s office to advise local governments and taxpayers on property tax issues, but it cannot intervene in local tax matters.

      Who do I contact if I want to file a complaint against the ethics or professional conduct of a chief appraiser, appraiser or tax assessor-collector?

      You can file a written protest with the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation (TDLR). The TDLR regulates the registration and professional conduct of persons in the appraising, assessing and collecting occupations. You may contact TDLR by calling (800) 803-9202 or by e-mail at www.license.state.tx.us/complaintinfo.htm or by mail at:

      P.O. Box 12157
      Austin, Texas 78711

      Who governs a local county appraisal district?

      A local board of directors governs the appraisal district.

      How are directors chosen?

      The governing bodies of taxing units that vote on the appraisal district’s budget (county, city, school and some conservation and reclamation districts) elect the appraisal district’s directors. If the governing bodies do not select the county tax assessor-collector as a director, the county tax assessor-collector (if he or she collects the county’s taxes) serves as a non-voting director.

      How is an appraisal district funded?

      Each taxing unit located in that appraisal district pays its pro rata share of the budget. Some appraisal districts have adopted different funding mechanisms. Most appraisal districts base each taxing unit’s share on the amount of taxes levied by that unit compared to the total taxes levied by all units in the district.

      How are appraisal review board (ARB) members appointed?

      The board of directors of each appraisal district appoints the appraisal review board members.

      There is a different process for the following counties: Harris and Fort Bend.

      What qualifications must an individual meet to serve on the appraisal review board?

      An individual must be a resident of the district for two or more years before taking office. No special requirements are necessary. An individual may not serve if he or she is an appraisal district director or an employee or officer of an appraisal district, tax office or the Comptroller’s office. Also, an individual is ineligible to serve in counties having a population of more than 100,000 until the fourth anniversary of the date the person ceased to serve as a member or officer of a taxing unit for which the appraisal district appraises property or if the person has ever appeared before the review board for compensation. Finally, an individual cannot serve if he or she is closely related (second degree by blood or marriage) to an individual paid as a tax agent or is in the business of appraising property for tax purposes in the appraisal district.

      ARB members may not contract with the appraisal district or with a taxing unit in the district. This includes the member or a business entity in which the member has a substantial interest.

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      #207.2 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:37 AM EST

      Sham Rick Perry did just that gave big oil..tax breaks...while he is starving the schools of funds

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      #207.3 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:38 AM EST

      And how is Texas? A robust place from what I hear. Education is overrated, haven't you heard. Not worth the money anymore. Can't get a job to repay it.

      You obviously have missed that memo.

        #207.4 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:09 PM EST

        sham oil company's have always been a major tax for Texas schools always until Rick the dumb dick..gave the tax back to big oil

          #207.5 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:12 PM EST
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          the state of the union will never be strong as long as the divider obama is in office......when will this ass of a president focus on the economy and job creation?....oh yeah he is too busy diverting attention to gun control and immigration and other issues that he is using as a smokescreen to cover up his inept presidency......someone in congress draw up articles of impeachment on this fraud president....

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          Reply#208 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:40 AM EST

          remember ..he has tried dumb azz...but no to the highway bill..no jobs from the tea nuts in the house

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          #208.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:44 AM EST

          make your minds up ..do you want government jobs..or no government jobs..you dumb azezz..the highway bill are millions of jobs...but the dumb azz thinks no can do..huh tea nut

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          #208.2 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:46 AM EST

          no we don't want another jobs bill moron....we want obama and his minions to get their greasy hands off the economy and let it do its thing........obama has had no success creating jobs with OUR TAX DOLLARS....just look at the so-called stimulus plan........impeach obama...

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          #208.3 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:49 AM EST

          yeah remember the jobs bill he put out..years ago...highway bill....but your head is so far up your azz..to see the light..right..hey its dark in here..i cant see the world ..or facts

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          #208.4 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:51 AM EST

          McPaddywhackoff is running his tripe...AGAIN! 6.1 million jobs gained is a terrible thing. We would be much better off LOSING 750,000+ each month

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          #208.5 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:53 AM EST
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          Obama doing the same old thing ...campaigning on issues that he likes only --- forget about JOBS or ECONOMY. He would be happy if ALL were on welfare and unemployment. Still being non-transparent and demanding rather than working with Congress. Approval rating going down because Obama isn't changing and now keeping his promises...he does not care at all.

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          Reply#209 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:41 AM EST

          yeah I remember that movie escape from NY...you dumb azz

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          #209.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:43 AM EST

          hey elvis!!.....your chosen one is a fraud....in addition to being a liar, a deceiver, a distorter, and a divider...eff him!!!

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          #209.2 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:50 AM EST

          yeah thats right..what lies do you say i have..did I say you are smart?

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          #209.3 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:53 AM EST

          I bet you could not remember the day..if you did not count your toes..and puta string on one..oh bread that's right i need to pick up some bread

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          #209.4 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:55 AM EST

          McPaddywhackoff is hoping for a re-count...maybe he can get Bonehead to vote for the 34th time to repeal Obamacare....

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          #209.5 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:56 AM EST

          That's what you get for believing in lip service and not facts. Obama does not want to fix the economy he was to destroy it. Health Care. Energy policy. and then Spending.

          Is there another way? I am sure he will find it. He is trying to take all the wealth from the rich and give it to the government. Not the poor.

          He is the worst President ever. You will see in the next few years how much one person can change a once good country into a very poor socialistic country. No healthcare, no jobs and no money left.

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          #209.6 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:59 AM EST

          hahahah yeah that was a dandy of a jobs bill.

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          #209.7 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:59 AM EST

          Jobs bill that created jobs? I don't think so. He doesn't want jobs, he wants votes.

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          #209.8 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:12 PM EST

          my my sham..koo ko ko ko..we are talking about your bonehead..the house speaker

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          #209.9 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:14 PM EST

          I believe that bill wanted to lower taxes to stimulate job growth.

            #209.10 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:20 PM EST
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            obobo was elected by single women, unions, minorities and those who believe themselves to be disenfranchised. He promised them everything and has delivered nothing but they still worship him. Why? Because he's popular with the celebrities. As long as pop culture continues to hail him as the second coming he can do anything and the poor and naive will continue to support him.

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            Reply#210 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:56 AM EST

            awww.amen

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            #210.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:01 PM EST

            I hope Jesus comes back black..a black man on the clouds..of sh-it huh..you not going to heaven

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            #210.2 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:04 PM EST
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            Elvis, you've been reported so you may need to find something else to do today. You could try getting a job but why start now right homie? Maybe you can redecorate the trailer or something of the like.

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            Reply#211 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 11:59 AM EST

            hey you tea nuts have tried 4 years to get me kick off..get in line..It almost work..

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            #211.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:00 PM EST

            Sally the moderator has a brain, Elvis, she will not bother you...PK, Lefty, McPaddywhackoff, need to watch their backs.

            Anyone remember Trouble46545?

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            #211.2 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:15 PM EST

            hahahahaha

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            #211.3 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:16 PM EST

            Sally does not like name-callers and vicious attacks.

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            #211.4 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:20 PM EST
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            If what I saw about 15 years ago on a public TV interview or discussion group said by an old econ professor who I think was from MIT (about best quant place on earth) when asked about the future of employment security/consistency is still true, I think we are moving to a permanent larger poor group of Americans unless we make major changes. When asked about the future for the average workers, like those below the guys owning the nicest cars and houses he said something like this that has stuck in the memory: It used to be between 1945 to the '90s if you had some skills and would move to any part of the USA to work you always had a job, but it does not look like their will be enough jobs in future to sustain that.

            I say that translates into our leaders (business more than political) gave up on employing all skilled Americans for some reason probably starting around Reagan's trickle down and union-busting era, and then the fallout from that really impacted the last 20 years or so. Think about it, robotics and computers replace many people in about all types of jobs below management, and replacing humans with machines seems to be management's goal quite often. Seems like America became just an international research center on operations management and mass production engineering for the whole world to benefit from free of charge just like our global military protection. Since that has not been for maximizing benefits for the poor and middle class they are still paying for that with limited opportunity compared to what the Greatest Generation had for practically no cost after stopping Hitler, Mussolini and the Emporer. They borrowed and invested in our future after WWII to build our infrastructure because they felt they had to, we are in a similar situation now or China and who knows what other group may pass us or worse, be our masters some day.

            As for options on getting more employed, I think the biggest key is spreading the work hours we have more to those skilled unemployed and getting the unskilled unemployed trained as soon as possible. Spread the work hours by giving incentives to older workers to semi-retire and work part-time or completely retire early, lots of employers are starting to do that now with their scientific and engineering aging employees, offering early retirements with option to keep working part-time. Other options are to lower the work week to 35 hours, require more paid personal leave time (gee our European equivalents look so relaxed after their 4 weeks/year vacation time). I just don't see large job growth of good jobs coming soon just like the MIT prof saw 15 or so years ago, robotics and computers and China/other cheap labor and unregulated countries took many away forever. The Greatest Generation did a great job raising all of us boomers but we have set ourselves on a course of management favoring machines over people and the 98% of society are not benefitting from that increase of productivty per worker as noted by the flat middle class income line on the Ed Show's favorite graph/charts. This may soon prove that "overpopulation of earth forecast" developed back around the 1960's by environmental scientists was correct, sadly it may not be from actual capacity of carrying that many on our planet but because top management favored machine over man and now we are the disposable parts to make the rich as rich as they want to compete between themselves.

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            Reply#213 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:10 PM EST

            President Obama announced 100% support for OXYGEN.

            Republicans nationwide are self-suffocating by the thousands as we speak!

            Oh good! The #1 idiot, liar and name caller, on the net is here...LEFTISFASCIST!

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            Reply#215 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:12 PM EST

            they must of called him and told him they need help..elvis is on the vine

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            #215.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:19 PM EST
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            If these 11 million people could form a mortgage free club, and each put a hundred dollars each month into it, they could raise over a billion dollars each month. With this money, they could have a drawing, and pay off so many mortgages. Say the first month they paid off 15,000 homes, these fifteen thousand could continue to pay a hundred dollars plus, say twenty percent, or say fifty percent of what they were paying on their mortgage before to help others keeping; a close record of all money transactions. this figure would grow each month, and become more effective. as people would have more income to use in their own lives's. They could work out a plan that would be more effective, also. Like only paying the payments for five years or two years for the ones who won the first months draw, this way they could free up more people, instead of 15,000 it could be 150,000 people who would not have to pay for a year or two, then have those pay fifty percent of what they were paying plus a hundred. Or another more thought out plan. These people have the power to save billions of dollars in interest, if they were to somehow get something like this going. Also, this could be used in other things to, like paying off vehicles, or investing etc.!

            • 1 vote
            Reply#216 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:25 PM EST

            I would go for that..you don't even need a million people...and who determines who's house gets paid off first

            • 3 votes
            #216.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:29 PM EST

            Elvis Payne, I'm sure it could be thought out better! When I see something like this in the news it makes me wonder why we Americans would let things like this continue when we have the power to do something about it. A Hundred a month from 11 mil. people would be over a billion dollars each month, that would save a lot of home owners who have a problem a lot of money, if they would work together ! If one were paying 1200.00 dollars a month, and it was cut to 600.00 dollars interest free it would be a big payday for them! The first month it would save hundreds of thousands of dollars! WOULD BE NICE IF THE FEDS WOULD SET THE PLAN UP!

            • 1 vote
            #216.2 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:42 PM EST

            yes but would like to have the names of all the people who are home owners in that plan..so it can be verified..each house that got paid off..I think the home that gets paid off first should be on seniority..who paid out first..then go down the line

            • 2 votes
            #216.3 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:44 PM EST

            They could have a fair drawing each month! Your right a thousand people could get something going, They could hold a lien, on the mortgage until all were debt free, or the person paid back what he received!

              #216.4 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:50 PM EST

              and if your at the top..you cant stop paying like me..if i were first..stop paying the 100..i will have to continue..until so many homes are paid off...and then stops...until new people get started on the plan

              • 2 votes
              #216.5 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:50 PM EST
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              did i run off the dumb azzezz

              • 2 votes
              Reply#217 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:43 PM EST

              It looks like you did!

              • 2 votes
              #217.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:56 PM EST

              hahahaha

              • 1 vote
              #217.2 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:01 PM EST
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              If we had an Administration and President that actually cared about the economy, things would likely be different. But instead, we have the 47% with their hands in the pockets of the people who still work, and pay taxes, keeping the good times rolling (for themselves).

              • 1 vote
              Reply#218 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:49 PM EST

              you dumb azz..that is the working class

              • 3 votes
              #218.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:52 PM EST

              the poor you are talking about do not vote..they do not care to vote..get it dumb azz..and that is the problem..if they did we would have Democrats for life..I wish they would vote all the time

              • 3 votes
              #218.2 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 12:54 PM EST

              Elvis; Here's A thought ! Think what would happen if all the students with loans were to put a hundred a month together, and invest it! they could open franchise places all over the country and pay of their debts to ! They could buy apartments, or build them, for rental income there would be no end to what they could do if they worked together, I wish the government would start working together!

              • 2 votes
              #218.3 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:00 PM EST

              yes it could happen

              • 1 vote
              #218.4 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:01 PM EST

              Letusreason: Is that how you explain the jobs going to China, India etc. you should wake up! greed ! cheap wages!

              • 2 votes
              #218.5 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:09 PM EST
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              spread the word..Republicans are hoarding all there money in gold...executive order..needs to take place...Obama do it..they are slowing growth in America

              • 2 votes
              Reply#219 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:03 PM EST

              spread the word..Republicans are hoarding all there money in gold...executive order..needs to take place...Obama do it..they are slowing growth in America

                Reply#220 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:04 PM EST

                spread the word..Republicans are hoarding all there money in gold...executive order..needs to take place...Obama do it..they are slowing growth in America

                  Reply#221 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:05 PM EST

                  spread the word..Republicans are hoarding all there money in gold...executive order..needs to take place...Obama do it..they are slowing growth in America

                    Reply#222 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:05 PM EST

                    spread the word..Republicans are hoarding all there money in gold...executive order..needs to take place...Obama do it..they are slowing growth in America

                      Reply#223 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:06 PM EST

                      spread the word..Republicans are hoarding all there money in gold...executive order..needs to take place...Obama do it..they are slowing growth in America

                        Reply#224 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:06 PM EST

                        spread the word..Republicans are hoarding all there money in gold...executive order..needs to take place...Obama do it..they are slowing growth in America

                          Reply#225 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:06 PM EST

                          spread the word..Republicans are hoarding all there money in gold...executive order..needs to take place...Obama do it..they are slowing growth in America............................so they can win in 2014

                            Reply#226 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:07 PM EST

                            Elvis; They could call it a sit on it and lose it tax! Either spend some or get off the pot or we will tax you off the pot! Imagine them sitting on two and a half trillion dollars getting richer, while the country goes down the toilet!

                              #226.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:10 PM EST
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                              spread the word..Republicans are hoarding all there money in gold...executive order..needs to take place...Obama do it..they are slowing growth in America............................so they can win in 2014

                                Reply#227 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:08 PM EST

                                Obviously a lot of ReThuglicans still in denial of the sh*thole Bush & his boss, Cheney left the country in when they left office ... I mean Total Denial. And what they want to do is go BACK to that same ole war mongering, "trickle down" economics that favored the 1%ers & corporations. Oh yeah, cut taxes for the corps & richest and they'll CREATE GOOD PAYING JOBS for Americans ... yeah, right! Its all about "vulture capitalism" for ReThuglicans and their catering to the 1% ... its like a Monopoly game ... get richer at the expense of others, regardless of outcome. Thank GOD Mitt Romney didn't get elected President. No one buys into your stupid ideas, ReThuglicans.

                                So what do ReThuglicans do, try to rig the system to win ... approval of Citizens United "corporations are people too" ... hahahaha! Yeah, right! 1 in 4 of the richest, largest corporations in the USA paid NO federal income tax in at least 1 of the past 5 years. And compared to Europe, corporate tax revenue to overall tax revenue is the LOWEST of any major country in the world, as they hide their money in the Cayman Island.

                                Let's face it, ReThuglicans, as your party continues to show its lack of integrity as it slices & dices up districts in Republican governed states with its gerrymandering, you should know the voters are not going to idlely sit and watch at this party's attempts to circumvent the will of the people.

                                2014 ... time to rid the Senate & House of more of these ReTards ... up next, Mitch McConnell-History in 2014.

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#228 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 1:22 PM EST

                                Johnny-3621820

                                Coming from a lib turd like you I will take your comments as a compliment

                                • 1 vote
                                #228.1 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 2:40 PM EST

                                Oh great...the other hater, name-caller, filthy mouth, and liar, "Let God" has reared his ugly puss.

                                Thank the Real Living God, I have this buffoon on IGNORE!

                                • 2 votes
                                #228.2 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 3:15 PM EST

                                You sound like a good little brainwashed Democrat. How sad. Don't worry, 2014 starts the re-taking of America. We will take our country back.

                                • 2 votes
                                #228.3 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 9:48 PM EST

                                @Mesa, take our country back, wasnt that the same thing you idiots was screaming before Nov 2012. How did that work out for you.

                                Laughing at you Losers!!

                                • 1 vote
                                #228.4 - Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:22 AM EST
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                                Dear Libturds

                                A story about your future under Obama

                                There was a farmer [Obama] who had a problem with feral pigs [liberals] destroying his crops[socialism]. So he came up with an idea to solve the problem. He put out corn [welfare] in the woods to feed the pigs. After a while the farmer[Obama] put up a fence on one side of the woods. Well the piggies[liberals] came to eat and saw the fence and was leery of it. But after awhile they got used to it and continued to eat the corn [welfare]. After a couple of weeks the farmer [Obama] put another fence across the front of the woods. The piggies[liberals] were again leery of the fence but ate the corn[welfare] any way. Then again after a couple of weeks the farmer [Obama] put another section of fence on the other side of the woods. Now the piggies [liberals] became very concerned about the fence but were use to the corn [welfare] and proceeded to eat anyway and got use to the new fence again. This time the farmer [Obama] put up anther section of fence with a gate this time . Although the piggies [liberals] were concerned about the new section they were so use to the corn [welfare] they entered in and ate and the farmer [Obama] closed the gate and the pigs were free no more. Well libturds be aware of what the government Obama offers you there are consequences for it.

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#229 - Sat Feb 9, 2013 2:10 PM EST
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