Regarding the universal background checks, I say fine, let's do it. I have no problem submitting to a background check, but then, I'm not the criminal type. How exactly are we going to get the criminals to submit to background checks again?

If anyone believes that gun control laws will reduce violent crime, then they're not informed enough about the facts to even be in the debate.

Hey Obama ! no matter how many laws you created this Government will never enforce them. Why don't you Obama take a good hard look at Chicago and their strict gun laws and still these thugs,gangs,losers are still shooting each other up. I find this President a liar, hypcrite on the gun issue when in fact Obama does not mind given guns to Drug Cartels to Mexico (FAST & FURIOUS) so those THUGS can shoot innocent woman,men and children in that country. Obama you are one pitiful low life of so called President who places blame, and has no balls to even be held accountable for your actions. Shame on you.!!!!

More fear mongering from the president: "Obama's campaign-like strategy is designed to maintain a sense of urgency for gun control measures...." he pushes the panic button and the Obamabots line up behind him....

better back ground checks -- YES

Limiting magazines to 15 rounds max -- YES

Banning assault weapons -- Useless and stupid

There is basically nothing different about an assault weapon that makes it kill any faster or better than a normal semi-auto rifle.

Does having a collapsible stock make it more dangerous ?? NO

Does covering a gun in beaver tail encrusted bling items make the gun better ?? NO

Automatics have been banned since 1986

Today's assault weapons other than having 30-100 magazines avail are just commando style bling.

Going to change laws do it correctly not blindly.

i bet that most of the officers standing behind him wanted to pull deir gun and shoot him dead right then and there

michael 1969

you are right

I love reading comments from people that don't understand at all what is going on. Do you know that NOT ONE of the "mass shootings" that have taken place from Columbine to Newtown were NOT committed by LEGAL and RESPONSIBLE gun owners? Background checks will solve nothing. Ban on assault type rifles and high capacity magazines will solve nothing. If the government can't enforce the laws they have now...what hope is there for new legislature? All this will do is inconvenience the LEGAL OWNER. All the criminals will have what they have always had....which is ANYTHING THEY WANT. Drunk drivers kill more innocent people each and every year than "psychopaths" with a gun. They don't enforce the driving laws. They don't outlaw alcohol...they don't impose new restrictions for buying a vehicle. We need to look at the root cause of the problem and address that. And that is NOT gun control.

Anyone know why Pepe LaPierre was in favor of universal background checks and closing gun show loopholes in 1999 but not now?

I don't know maybe the same reason PBO was against raising the debt ceiling when he was a senator and why he wants it unlimited while he is president?

I think there are at least two young girls in Detroit that like the idea of NON-criminal having a gun to defend themselves.

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/man-shot-near-martin-luther-king-jr-high-school-in-detroit

Hey bans work, check out the banning of drugs, they are banned and there are none to be found.

Right?

Fiesty, Obama needs to listen to Biden. Passing more laws and making more restrictions is not going to stop people who are intent on harming a number of people.

More background checks for the law abiding will have absolutely know affect on those who don't follow the law.

Never mind...I'm trying to be logical, and logic is lost on the many guided by subjective emotions.

What does it say when almost 80% of NRA members favor universal background checks?

Is says that 80% of NRA members don't understand the question there were asked was.

How can parent that buys a gun for his son/daughter get a background check on there own child? (for there birthday or xmas present)

How can backgrounds checks be done on guns that are inherited?

Feisty

the President has means to address the issue

Yes Mr president if you are not a Nazi then you will do what the US Constitution mandates you to do.

You write a Bill and present it to both houses of Congress then if a majority agrees with it they will pass the bill into law then it will come back to your desk where you can sign it into law,

and then if it is ever an issue the US Supreme Court can rule on whether or not it is in violation of the Constitution.

That is how American democracy works Mr Obama.

It would be insane to try to implement a universal background check. They already have background checks in the laws now. How about enforceing those laws instead of making more that are NOT enforced.

When you liberals figure out a way to get the CRIMMINALS to turn in there guns then I will consider turning in the ones I do NOT use for hunting or target practice.

Tom are you going to take what Fiesty says as GOSPIL. Then you MUST BE CRAZIER than anyone on this post. EVERYONE know how STUPID and ignorant Feisty is.

Is it a coincidence that not ONE of these hormonally imbalanced barrel lickers can address this question?

Feisty is back to name calling the people that don't agree with her? very nice and mature.

By the way how are the public pension funds working in Illinois these days? How is the unemployment rate, national economy shrinking, and welfare receipts going up working?

Whatever law is passed it is only going to impact law abiding citizens. No laws to date- has done anything to save one life; police officer, politicians, homeowners, etc... It is a political move only, a feel good deed that only strengthen the hands of the mental unstable, criminals and terrorist. Anyone that supports this feel good law is insane. The president is better off increasing school security, taking care of the mental cases that are not covered by insurance. His plan is weakening the hand of the law abiding citizens. He can not do anything to stop a criminal or mental insane person; that it is why we call them criminal or mentally insane in the first place. They can not be stopped, that is, unless you own a high power rifle yourself.

Next newton shooting? How about we get the complete details concerning the current newton shooting?

Steve, If you/I believe 20% of what FRH says or types, we will only be wrong 10% of the time.

Background checks - already mandatory for dealers, no matter where they sell their guns, in their store or at a gun show. Yes, you can buy a gun privately, from an owner, and a background check is not required. I would support a background check for a private sale, at a gun show, one of the dealers could do it, maybe charge the seller $10 for the work. the big magazines jam easily, so even though the Aurora shooter had one, it jammed, he did most of his damage with a shotgun. Banning them is fine, but standard magazines of up to 30 rounds should be okay, remember that the companies making these magazines make them for the military as well, and retooling to make smaller ones will increase the costs to the military as well. A 30 rd magazine already costs $30 to $60, depending on caliber, so someone intent on using one for crime isn't likely to spend that kind of money to buy one.

Background checks between family members are stupid. I wouldn't give a gun to my son if I didn't trust him, and I know far more about him than the government will ever know. I reserve the right to pass my firearms to my children through my will or by other means.

Take note from Australia,

Gun Law Update -- January 19, 2013 Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....

Debunkshun Junction - http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

Hey Fiesty, probably because people explained that they did not want it. People got him to understand that registering guns is not OK. People change when confronted with facts, get some and change me! Or just read a bit about Australia and the death and carnage since the ban. Or read up on how Gun bans and laws have not had the planned effect in Britain. Or just look at Chicago. Look at all that, become informed, then Change.

So our Boy in the whitehouse is going to focus in gun control...hopefully he focuses lazer like, like he did with his jobs bill....

Good ole Barry..... never let the FACTS get in the way of your agenda......

FACT... your so-called "assault weapons" are NOT the problem....... just take a look at Chicago or DC... tell me again how many murders are being committed with AR-15s or Uzis?

Your VP told the truth.... no matter what you do to the LAW-ABIDING, it will NEVER lower violence by those that refuse to follow the rules.....

But then again..... Mr Obama... you don't seem to follow the rules either? Is there something we should all know about you?

Obama said: "if there's one life we can save, we've got an obligation to try." Well let's see, the state I live in had over 3000 drunk driving deaths in 2012. That more than all the mass hooting deaths in all the USA during the same time period. Where was Obama calling for the ban or restriction on cars or even alcohol? This action isn't about safety. It's about control. Obama himself, along with Biden have admitted that violence can't be stopped. That's fine, but lets look at the root problem not the weapon. Almost every one of the criminals that caused mass shootings had mental problems. The problem isn't the weapon, its the person. I challenge each person who is in favor of banning the so-called assault weapons, to put forth a solution to control the people, not the guns, who have mental issues. I say this because a psycho driving a car into a crowded outdoor market can be just as deadly. A psycho using firebombs can kill just as many people. The list goes on and on. The fact remains that the problem is mental health issues, not weapon issues.

YEP, TIME FOR ANOTHER SOCIAL WAR!!!!!!

THE WAR ON GUNS!

Come on, I mean the war on drugs, crime, poverty and illiteracy have worked so well haven't they? We've spent TENS OF TRILLIONS of our hard earned tax dollars on these "wars" and now we're going to add to that by creating another massive bloated bureaucracy to control guns.

Crime is still rampant, you can drive to any high-school parking lot and get any drug you want, more people are in poverty today after spending over $17 trillion dollars on it than there were in 1965 and most Americans read at an 8th grade level.

And you Libbies still believe our government can do something to help us. The unwashed masses will just willingly submit to the governments strong arm tactics to get more control of us and more power.

Of course the limp-wristed Liberals are incapable of managing their own lives so they allow themselves to be manipulated and used by the statist Barrack Hussein. It's a shame that the Libbies allow themselves to be minimized to the point of being told the best they can accomplish in life is to be middle class.

We real Americans can only hope that Barrack Hussein and his adoring minions don't make our great Republic more insignificant than they already have.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

A to the MEN!

Join the progressive ranks of the Washington State legislature regarding gender neutrality:

• Freshman is now first year student
• Penmanship is now handwriting
• ombudsman is now ombuds

So it's APERSON. You're starting to sound like a conservative with that AMEN stuff!

Thank you Think about it 3099. This is exactly what the dimwits want. Osama Obama doesn't care about the safety of our families. His has all of the protection they need. And Randy, guess what. Background checks do nothing. Here in Illinois we have a thing called the Firearm Owners ID. (FOID) You can't even buy a bullet without one. You most certainly cannot legally buy a gun, any gun, without one. To get an FOID card you must go through a background check. No Felons allowed thank you!! And yet In OBAMALAND there are felons and gangbangers killing people right and left. I wonder why? We have background checks here. Why aren't the criminals obeying our laws? Why do the Courts in Chicago keep letting felons go after being caught with a gun? The CORRUPT DEMOCRATIC MACHINE OF CHICAGO does not want the law abiding citizens of Illinois to be able to protect themselves. Believe me if the thugs knew that there was a good chance that "Granny" had a 9mm in purse he wouldn't be so hot on attacking her. If every law abiding Citizen were required to take ARMED SELF DEFENSE COURSES and then carry a gun for self defense the crime rate would drop dramatically. Osama Obama and all of his Obamahos in Roselle can sing and dance and lie and cheat. It won't change the truth. Here in Southern Illinois we will not give up our guns just so some fool in Chicago can puff out his chest and lie to the public about how great a job he's doing. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever!! There's a reason why every gun owner is buying more guns. There's a reason why all of the gun shows are doing a booming business. The legal gun dealers in Illinois are selling their stock as quick as they can get the shelves stocked. They are making a very big profit right now. A handgun like a Hi Point .380 that sold for $150 before Osama OBama got reelected is now selling for $300. They are flying off the shelves. Oh and by the way. The Appellate Court that sits over our district ruled that the State of Illinois had 180 days to come up with a concealed carry gun permit law similar to the laws enacted in Missouri, Indiana, and all the rest of the U.S. The Supreme court is the bastion of freedom for the law abiding citizens of the United States of America. They are in place to prevent any sitting President from abusing the Constitution and the Laws of the Land. Osama Obama and his Obamahos can scream all they want. The second amendment is one of the laws of the land. It will prevail. All of you singing and dancing liers of Greater Obamaland can just keep singing and dancing. The will of the law abiding citizens of America will prevail. Suck on that lemon for a while.

As for Australia, I like the way Snopes tries to confuse you with BS. Then in the end they still admit that deaths have gone up, and so has the attacks on over 65 year old citizens (20% since the ban). the laws do not work, and they never will.

Obama...seems he's totally in over his head...he needs to worry bout the corporate rape of america...cause at the rate American values are slipping away...won't be long before them gun's are of high value when you need food...what a fine job the community organizer did getting Chicago to obey the gun laws...

I think Barry found it to be "colder" in Minnesota than he thought, yet this treasonous attacker of the Constitution just can't get the hint.

So basically what you are saying Obama is that your not going to follow the rules that our for fathers put in place so this would not be a dictatorship.

WOW Fiesty Redhed you are showing your class by calling people names. That will show them.

Good old Feisty, starts this out with her parroting of the liberal left who think only with emotions and can never let a good crisis go to waste. Their first response is "gun control." More laws that can't and won't be enforced. Do you really believe the mentally ill and criminals pay any attention to laws? A common thread in these tragedies is mentally ill and/or criminal. The places in the county that have the most gun related violence are also those places with the most stringent gun laws. More laws and restrictions is NOT the answer. One of the left's tag lines is: "No one needs an assault weapon." Well, you don't need that double cheeseburger either Feisty. I know, you libby's are trying to control that and everything else too.

I can just see all those mentally ill school shooters, home invaders and gang bangers in Chicago, LA, Detroit, et-al lining up right now to turn in their illegal firearms and clips as we speak. C'mon! Listen to your president! Turn in your "gats" and make the world safer! Yeah. That will happen. Criminals, thugs and screwballs everywhere will rejoice as law abiding citizens are stripped of their protection. Street thugs will have 30 or more rounds to you're "legal"10 rounds or less. It will be open season on you and me. Criminals always prefer unarmed victims. Don't get caught on the wrong side.

On second thought, Maybe we can establish a Gun owners "Dream act". A path to legality for all of us law abiding citzens who already have weapons that will soon become illegal. I mean we are already here and you cant just.....?

Layton-3733410

Really? That's all you got? If it is required to buy a gun, they don't get the gun if the check doesn't pan out. From listening to Cory Booker this weekend, it is so apparent that many of the loopholes need to be closed.

You show that you have very little understanding of how it currently works. Here is your homework: go to ANY gun shop and proceed as if you're going to buy a gun (you don't actually have to go through with it) and come back and tell me what happens.

Spoiler alert: you will have to submit to a background check.

I'll educate you on your side's argument for universal background checks. You want this because you think that private sales of guns to criminals through what are commonly called straw purchasers, will cease with a law requiring background checks on private sales. Make sense?

What your newly found argument fails to take into account though, is that these staw purchases are already illegal, and big surprise, the law isn't being effectively enforsed. But one more law will solve the problem, right?

Feisty Ball Washer- nice of you to change your Avatar to the Owebama symbol with horns. More devilish much like your demeanor

If you could go back in time just ask any of the MILLIONS of Jewish people that were murdered by hitler if they wanted an assault rifle with high capacity mags and the answer would be a resounding yes. You people that want bans are fools for wishing away our rights and freedoms. If we use your delusional thinking we should also throw away our right to freedom of religion. After all it was Muslims that killed thousands on 911. So we should take away that right. DUH! Should we ban airplanes and box cutters? Thats what tool they used .DUH ! The Oklahoma bombing killed hundreds with fertilizer and deisel fuel. Should we ban that? Again DUH! You can ban the tool but you still have the fool ! For those of you that are delusional in thinking that bans will stop the madmen you are dead wrong. I say you people have the blood of tens of thousands of patriotic Americans that fought and died for our independence and freedoms.

Chicago - with some of the toughest gun control laws of any American city

The bad guys - always end up with guns - something to think about when many are eager to step on the 2nd Amendment.

Bullies exist - due to lack of - or threat of resistance

Chicago - Case in point

Feisty @ 1.28: "Is it a coincidence that not ONE of these hormonally imbalanced barrel lickers can address this question? lol"

First, let me say that you're such a refined and civil human being. Putting all of your insults aside here's your answer....

Quotes of NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre:

"I've been in this fight for 20 years. We proposed it. I don't think it's going to happen," said LaPierre, who argued the mental health lobby and federal laws have prevented the names of people with potentially dangerous mental health problems from being put into a federal database.

He also said that "criminals won't comply."

LaPierre was skeptical about whether the Obama administration would take the gun-control legislation, if passed, a step further.

"I think what they'll do is they'll turn this universal (background) check on the law-abiding into a universal registry on law-abiding people," he said.

obumbo doesn't give a rats ass about you or your kids and keeping them safe. He wants to push his muslim socialist agenda on Americans and you fools who voted for him made it possible. Great, a bunch of deadbeats, blacks, unions and illegals along with enough pointy headed liberals and we got this @!$%#in idiot in the WH. The rest of you who didn't vote because you thought this idiot could never be reelected might want to get off your ass and VOTE in 2014 so we can stop the madness before this country crashes and burns completely.

With an average 1.3 million children killed through abortion - each year in the United States - some would say - that is "way too many" young lives or children dying - not by their choice -defenseless - and that something should be done to end this - now

How say you - Mr. President?

"On the Road AGAIN" since "I can't get anything done in the Oval Office" (Mr. Obama's words). Lack of leadership prevails.

Time to STOP the campaigning and remain in D.C. America is still on the verge of the Fiscal Cliff STILL, unemployment rate is climbing, and homes continue to be foreclosed. JOBS....JOBS.....JOBS and NOT "Obama Go Green" jobs.

Community organizer continues to be a Campaigner-in-Chief.

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FLYeisty seems to still be on the Obama campaign payroll.

EVERYONE should read that post from Australia about turning in guns,DIDN'T WORK,MORE PEOPLE ARE DYING THAN BEFORE GUN BAN!!Besides obama's is in need of a really deep mental check up along with 3/4 of the congress.The picture of obama shooting trap was a bad joke,the way he holding and angle he was shooting was bogus an as fake as he is.Today he is worried about football safety,this moron is only concern is about total control of everything and everyone.SHOULD BE IMPEACHED.

A question to the people who want to do away with the 2nd Amendment.Are you willing to do whatever it takes to do away with the 2nd Amendment?To the people who support the 2nd Amendment.Are you willing to do what it takes to keep it?This situation could get real messy if the government isn't careful.

drive-by-observer

That's the exact same feeling I had when Bush and them took away my right to pack heat on my last flight to Houston. Not sure why they were allowed to stomp on my 2nd ammendment rights, so easily, though.

So, do you harbor the same sentiment for Barrack Hussein stomping on your 2nd Amendment Rights now?

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

The NRA and gun supporters keep calming that the big problem is the mentally unstable are getting a hold of guns.

How about the Navy Seal who thought it was a good idea to put a gun into the hands of an Iraqi vet suffering from PTSD!

It says a hell of a lot about a man who is willing to take a man broken from the horrors of war and try to help him. It says a whole hell of a lot more about a person who'd use this mans death as political fodder.

What does it say when almost 80% of NRA members favor universal background checks?

Uhm, background checks are already part of gun ownership. Under the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), a dealer may transfer a firearm to a prospective purchaser as soon as he or she passes a background check. If the FBI is unable to complete a background check within three business days, the dealer may complete the transfer by default.

The Panderer in Chief, so you were not interested in the 9,000 gun murders when you lived in Chicago over the 20 years, but now is time to do exactly what? Pander and change the subject away from the economy. The gun law will NOT prevent anything. Stop pandering and come up with a budget! Will any law he has someone else write stop a man from killing his mom stealing her guns and commit a heinous crime? The answer is still NO! Mr. President stop pandering!

It will be alot colder day than today down below when i give anything to fiesty or anyone like her.You can take that to the bank too.

To all of you that want a psych evaluation before legal gun ownership, who will be doing this evaluation? Do you think this psychologist or psychiatrist will be completely unbiased on the matter? Doctors are human too. What if they have an agenda on the matter? What if one side pays better than the other?

They can also be influenced and corrupted by money and power.

Tide is turning? You mean the 500,000 that joined the NRA in the weeks after Newton to protect ourselves from the tyrannical president we have? That tide? You are right - the tide is turning.

And the nearly 5 million NRA members and the estimated 60 million gun owners have finally had enough. You want to see a second Civil War just keep pushing the tyrannical governmental policies. Just keep pushing.

When all is said and done, it will be the only time Obama leads as president is the second civil war that's coming too this country.

A loser says things like ..............“We don’t have to agree on everything to agree it’s time to do something,”

It is remarkable that when a gun thing is put on the vine it looks like there is a lot of support for guns and killing. However, the polls do not reflect that. The gunners are just very good at getting to the vine and making noise. I have to hand it to them. If this was your only data you would think they have a majority position.

YO, BARRACK HUSSEIN, WHERE IS THE BUDGET?!?!?!?!?

Where are the jobs?

Why isn't the deficit reduced in half?

Why have you increased our debt by $6 trillion dollars when you said President Bush's $4.8 trillion was unpatriotic?

Why are there more people on welfare today than ever before?

Why is Chicago the murder capital of America with the strictest gun laws in the nation?

Why do your union backed schools graduate children that only read at an 8th grade level?

Why did you allow Ambassador Stevens and the other diplomats to be murdered in Benghazi?

Why do you hate our Constitution?

Why do you hate America?

Real Americans want to know.

Look, I love my guns. I know and understand how to handle them and use them in a respectful manner as all respectful gun owners do.

Now, a lot of you ant-NRA/Gun haters wouldn't understand.

That said, I'm all for better and serious gun control along with all the others that are in my shoes. The reason is I'm a law abiding gun owner.

I'll never do anything stupid with a powder actuated tool. Bring on the gun control and make it work. Prove to me it will work. I really hope there is an answer that does work.

What makes me laugh is that all of the above is the way all us gun owners think but we get stereotyped by simply owning a gun. Stereotyped as in "Gun nut"

This, my friends, is what's wrong with the people that simply don't know the difference.

But, Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL would not understand. Why?! because she's more interested in popcorn than the reality...

With all due sympathy to Feisty and her merry band of libs, this is one issue that Commisaar Obama is not going to win.....other than maybe a couple of token changes. There are literally hundreds of millions of gun owners in the country and their allegiance on this issue has nothing to do with party affiliation. And as dangerous as the country is right now (despite the government and media bulls**t about crime being way down), people are not going to give up their first line of defense.

By the way, Mr Commisaar, gas is nearing $3.75 and the GDP last quarter was negative......don't you have better things to do than attacking the 2nd amendment?

You're an idiot Feisty! Why isn't Obama visiting Chicago and going after the gangs. They are doing Newtowns every day. Obama just wants to put his face in the news. My god...the girl that sang at his inaugeration is dead...dead...dead...nothing from Obama but Newtown...Newtown...Newtown...because it was a crazy white boy. He's scared to death of the gangs. It's time we mobilized a national task force to take these scumbags out. They need to be dead...dead...dead...and you Feisty need to get a brain rather than just a mouth that spews out Obama rhetoric.

What we are seeing and will continue to see is exactly what we have seen in the last 4 years. Obama is on the campain trail rather than in his office taking care of bht business he was put in office for. He is a professional campainer. The only difference now is he is campaining for Joe Biden to step into his shoes when he leaves. you watch and see if Biden isn't standing right beside Obama at every major press conference and campain stop.

As for the gun debate the President says we citizens don't need military style weapons. you know why he says that ? Because he knows a revolt is coming if things don't change soon. And since he has no clue how to get any change accomplished it is inevitable that the people will act out. He doesn't want the public to overpower his army that he send out to stop the uprisings. Anyone who doesn't believe the government will take up arms against it's citizens either is too young to remember Kent state or choses to ignore that little piece of history.

SeekingSanity

You and the other little rightwingers who have to always find a reason to hate our President are truly sad excuses for human beings.

As a right winger, why would I hate the President? I don't know the man, other than what we've been told through the media. He seems pretty in tune with his family and throws good Hollywood style bashes at the WH. But hate him? NO, but I do hate his policies.

I traveled to Nicaragua last week and was talking to a business man there that grew up in Communist Cuba. He wondered why Americans keep "giving up their freedoms" for handouts from our government. He was appalled that it has become easier to deal with the socialist in Nicaragua than the USA since Obama has taken over. Now, this man hated Obama policies too, but then, he's already "lived what Obama is doing to the USA in Cuba". I guess when it looks like dog sh*t and smells like dog sh*t, it's time to call it what it is, dog sh*t.

Obozo the clown hasn't a clue as TO WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT

The people who think gun control laws lower murder rates or violent crime rates are ignorant to the facts. Here are a few important facts:

5 Facts About Guns, Schools, And Violence

What every legislator - and citizen - needs to know.

In the wake of December’s horrific mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, Vice President Joe Biden is chairing a panel of experts that will make gun-control recommendations to President Barack Obama by the end of the month. The president has said that enacting new restrictions on guns will be one of his highest priorities.

No one wants to ever again see anything like the senseless slaughter of 26 people – including 20 children - at a school. But as legislators turn toward creating new gun laws, here are five facts they need to know.

1. Violent crime – including violent crime using guns – has dropped massively over the past 20 years.

The violent crime rate - which includes murder, rape, and beatings - is half of what it was in the early 1990s. And the violent crime rate involving the use of weapons has also declined at a similar pace.

2. Mass shootings have not increased in recent years.

Despite terrifying events like Sandy Hook or last summer’s theater shooting in Aurora, Colorado, mass shootings are not becoming more frequent. “There is no pattern, there is no increase,” says criminologist James Allen Fox of Northeastern University, who studies the issue. Other data shows that mass killings peaked in 1929.

3. Schools are getting safer.

Across the board, schools are less dangerous than they used be. Over the past 20 years, the rate of theft per 1,000 students dropped from 101 to 18. For violent crime, the victimization rate per 1,000 students dropped from 53 to 14.

4. There Are More Guns in Circulation Than Ever Before.

Over the past 20 years, virtually every state in the country has liberalized gunownership rules and many states have expanded concealed carry laws that allow more people to carry weapons in more places. There around 300 million guns in the United States and at least one gun in about 45 percent of all households. Yet the rate of gun-related crime continues to drop.

5. “Assault Weapons Bans” Are Generally Ineffective.

While many people are calling for reinstating the federal ban on assault weapons – an arbitrary category of guns that has no clear definition – research shows it would have no effect on crime and violence. “Should it be renewed,” concludes a definitive study, “the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.”

The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting is as horrifing a crime as can be imagined. It rips at the country’s heart and the call to action is strong and righteous. But as Joe Biden and his panel of experts consider changes to gun laws and school-safety policies, they need to lead with their heads and not just their hearts.

Over the past dozen years, too many policies – the Patriot Act, the war in Iraq, the TARP bailouts – have been ruled by emotion and ideology.

Passing sweeping new restrictions on Second Amendment rights won’t heal the pain and loss we all feel but just may create many more problems in our future.

Bes sure yo hit the links that debunk oft-quoted studies with flawed methodology which attempt to make counter-points. Don't just quote those ad nauseum repeated studies that are flawed, go see why they are flawed first. After educating yourself, then reply.

For those too lazy to read, here is the video which recites the above:

http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/01/10/reasons-5-facts-on-guns-and-gun-violence

@Think About it 3099387

You got the email that was circulating back in 2011 or so and didn't bother to look it up on snopes and read that crime in Australia has gone down. (see http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp)

Much depends on whose statistics you review. Most of the statistics I saw for Australia indicated a small percentage drop from 2002 to 2011 in each territory, though there were increases followed by decreases in most. Mexico's murder rate has gone up in almost every state (no surprise there). The homicide rate here in the US has gone down in some places and up in others.

Gun control is inherently flawed. You cannot make the criminals admit they have guns because that violates the 5th amendment. Although there is federal legislation which prohibits national gun control, that does not necessarily mean that cities cannot enact some other controls short of banning. Chicago's gun ban was found unconstitutional and now they have a registration system. I am waiting to see if someone challenges the constitutionality of that.

There are thousands of gun control measures already on the law books. If the Feds could manage to avoid more "feel-good" laws and enforce what is already there and combine it with education and mental health checks, we might get somewhere. Guns in the hands of unsupervised children or those whose mental illness has found the tripping point is not good.

DingleB . . .

You show that you have very little understanding of how it currently works

I know how it works, man in tights. Most of us know how it works around HERE - you actually READ the post prior to responding to it. The entire thing. That's your homework.

JimSpence - I believe this has been explained to you over and over again. President Obama has submitted a budget every year he's been in office. The Senate and House decided they didn't like it and once that happens, it is up to them to submit an amended budget - which they haven't done.

So little jim - try again and this time at least TRY to make sense!

Hey Fiesty, try this on for size: [this is a compilation of my posts from other articles]

"Nothing we're going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to 1,000 a year from what it is now," Joe Biden

I think this is the first thing to come out of this Administration that comes even close to being the Truth.

Nothing THEY are doing will “fundamentally alter [the outcome] another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to 1,000 a year”, because they are doing all the wrong things.

Let’s start by allowing those teachers who WANT to ( I have 2 sisters-in-law willing) get the proper training and let them CCW. One armed guard verses 4 or 5 teachers, who, by the way, ARE ALREADY ON THE PAYROLL!

How about we study the problem, You liberals are always going on about how we need more Government Research into things like this, well instead if rushing to ban guns, let's find out which guns, and how they are doing the most damage and address that issue?

How about we do away with the HIPAA laws that prevent the release of mental records for background check purposes? (We need to ensure that there is an appeal process though, to correct mistakes in the background check database)

How about we allow the temporary commitment of mentally unstable people, until the courts can decide upon permanent commitment? This is what allowed and was the motive behind Adam Lanza’s attack on Sandy Hook.

How about we start getting rid of these Government Programs whose unintended consequences is the destruction of the tradition family? How about we make ‘Dads’ relevant again?

How about we start treating things that are illegal, like they are illegal? Illegal immigration? Illegal Drugs? And criminal activity in general? How about we start executing 3^rd time offenders?

I have said it before and I will say it again, liberalism must be a result of brain damage. The emotional, knee jerk responses to this article are hilarious.

I am trying to think of a time when there was a massacre at a gun show or a shooting range.

From 1918 until 1934, any one in the US could order and have shipped through the USPS, a fully automatic sub-machine(Tommy Gun w/30 or 50 round magazine), BAR (High power machine gun w/20 magazine) or even a M2 .50 cal. Belt fed machine gun, no questions asked. Where were all the spree shootings then (other than criminal gangland)?

It was not uncommon to walk into a local hardware store and buy a case of Dynamite to remove tree stumps. If easy access to deadly weapons is the measure of a deadly society, why were things like the "Bath School Disaster" not regular occurrences?

NO, the only thing that has changed in the last 50 or so years is the Secular Progressive agenda has wove its tentacles into society. Family is irrelevant. Dads are irrelevant. Males, especially white males, are irrelevant or even 'need' to be marginalized. Morals and Personal Responsibility are irrelevant.

My point is, since the 60's and the Liberal Progressive march toward hedonism in this country, with the rise of the welfare state, abortion and easy divorce, discipline in this country is gone. There are no consequences. No longer are men being raised by fathers. And how do you become a real man, if you don't have one to show you the way? Granted it isn't always successful, but it seemed to be more successful than the alternative.

Drug overdoses and brain damage linked to long-term drug abuse killed an estimated 37,485 people in 2009, the latest year for which preliminary data are available, surpassing the toll of traffic accidents by 1,201. And the number is likely to rise as the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [ABC News.go.com]

Where is the outrage over this?

More children die in a month from abuse, and neglect, mostly at the hands of those on welfare and drugs than by guns in a whole year. Yet you people scream "Ban the Guns, Ban the Guns". And my guess is less than fifty people(and except for these rare instances, ZERO children) are killed each year with a so called "Assault Weapon", yet this is what you go after? THAT IS STUPID!!!

Is there anything in the Proposed legislation that would stop another Adam Lanza? NO! I have read nowhere that parents can commit their Adult children (or anyone for that matter) for observation while the process for complete institutionalization takes place. This is why Adam Lanza was able to, and the MOTIVE behind the rampage, go to his mother's house, kill her and take her firearms. She was unable to protect herself and other because YOU GD LOW LIFE LIBERALS, GOT YOU PANTIES IN BUNCH OVER THE MOVIE "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST", AND MADE IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE INSANE PEOPLE TO BE COMMITTED TO HOSPITAL.

Emotionally compromised thinking people are driving this debate. And there is no rational argument that can be made to dissuade them from this destructive path.

"The intelligence of a people is inversely proportional to the size of city and the length of time spent there in". Robert Reedy 1980

“To paraphrase Chairman Mao: Freedom and Oppression are dispensed from the END of a gun. Which END are you on?” Robert Reedy 2008

And to the right-minded people here, remember to vote up those you agree with. Or add a Kudos or a Ditto as a comment.

a loser says things like undocumented instead of illegal...a loser try's to get a theif handed the things he stealing by skirting the laws...a loser makes a country worse by not correcting the problems he just spends more...a loser makes smaller problems look major...so the corporate backed media and politicians can live the good life...

MOLON LABE

Modern Greek "Come and take". It is a classical expression of defiance spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.

There exists, neighborhoods where police will not respond to anything less than an emergency situation.

There are areas where service workers will not venture between dusk and dawn.

There are locales where it might be simpler to fence it off and then, declare it all a prison.

And the weak have only a handgun between themselves and threat of death, each night.

I've no argument against background checks and bans on assault weapons. But I am for guns. This is a big country--really several countries under one flag. For example: What works in New York isn't going to work in Nevada. If the population of a single state wants to nix all guns, well, they'll have some explaining to do to the Supreme Court; it won't happen.

The real answer to the issue is to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. Why is it that persons at risk of anti-social behavior and capable of murder, cannot be rounded up until after they've commited murder and mayhem?

The answer to that question lays with history, the ACLU, and the courts.

Re-open the state mental institutions. By current standards, it's already hard to tell the difference between Congress and a mental hospital.

So is Obama going to stop killing Mexicans with fast and furious?

And redhead how much dose he pay you to blog all day?

MOre anti American, anti- NRA blather from the mouth of ignorance personified. ugh....

Why dont they just pass the same gun laws they have in Chiago,being they work so well there.The murder rate is only at 50+ and its already Feb.

Well, then, Mr. President -- just playing the odds, it's probably high time to get this thing moving on down the road.

Greg Smith --

Why dont they just pass the same gun laws they have in Chiago,being they work so well there.The murder rate is only at 50+ and its already Feb.

Are you aware that there are probably already 1,300 gun deaths in this country -- not just Chicago -- since Newtown?

Does that fact that the laws we have now don't work somehow make that okay?

Or should we try to do SOMETHING? And if so, then what's YOUR solution?

Fiesty Redhead - Can't Understand Normal Thinking

You say that the 3 million NRA members are a "VERY SMALL MINORITY"? You're wrong about the number, even the Huffington Post puts it at 4.2 million. I usually say that people that get their news from the Huff Post are stupid, and I really believe that, but I wanted to use a source that you find credible.

Obama won re-election by 3.4 million and you say he kicked ass? I say that is a very small minority.

@rgsdca1965--PBO doesnt pay Feisty your tax dollars do via welfare and foodstamps

All you fools yapping against the NRA will see the day the Government starts disarming the People and then you will see what a Dictatorial Government is all about.

I have no sympathy for Feisty and her merry band of idiots. But I have noticed this--the tide is turning--the tide is turning against Feisty and her merry mutual admiration society. The group that can't find another way to argue a cause without name calling and stereotyping and feeling good about trying to make somebody else feel bad with insanely stupid and immature jokes. It serves no purpose other than confirm the notion that she and her group are pathetic losers. Iota brains all.

Man, that Obama sure knows how to speak to the simple mind of a Democrat.

We need tougher gun laws, cause that's where the votes are. We need these killings to stop and I'm asking Congress to do the right thing, cause that's where the votes are. We're not gonna wait for the next Newtown (seems like there's been several Newtowns lately), but that's where the votes are.

God bless you Mr. President. You've done nothing except get votes. Good for you. Mission accomplished.

Despite the fact that our country is getting safer (look it up - the FBI has the stats!) and that preventing law abiding citizens with no prior record like me and everyone I know from buying handguns will do nothing to prevent such things...

...yeah, right on, wow.

Good job.

VP Biden and President Obama's 12 gauge shotgun expells nine 0.33" caliber bullets with each pull of the trigger--the evil AR only expells one 0.223" caliber bullet per trigger pull, that is 1/9th of the proper 12 gauge

The 12 gauge in all iterations, is not just a "Military Style" or a "Military Grade" it is in fact a "military weapon."

The 12 gauge has been used to devastating effect in every US military campaign since the Spanish American War--In Vietnam, troops were urged to have their own 12 gauge shotguns shipped to them to use against the Vietcong alongside their isse M16, because of the commercial 12 gauge's devastatingly effective use.

Compare Mr. Obama's military 12 gauge with your military style mousegun.

@Anna Molly---the Pres and Congress can pass all the laws they want,do you really think it would do any good?Tell me something they can do or say to keep someone from murdering someone else if their mind is already set to do it?Smaller magazines?theyll just carry more,does not take long to reload.

I just dont understand all the to do murder is already banned folks. Only a freaking idiot would think banning guns and doing backgrouind checks is going o keep the murderes from mudering. I just dont understand why Obama is wasting his time? People that comitt murder dont give a damn whether their weapon is legaly aquired or not.

Here we go again, I here themsay the way to fix our gun violenceis to punish law abiding citizens! What happened to actually making laws and enforcing them to actually solve the issue at hand? We have domestic terrorists[gangs] that run rampant throughout some of our cities and people live in fear of them, have we solved that problem? We have criminals that use weapons in crimes they commit, Are they held truly accountable for their crimes? We have mentally unstable people that have been ignored under the guise of protecting their human rights, but in truth it is a money saving device for government! All these gun crimes you read about usually fall into one of these categories, and are just that they are CRIMES! These are the issues that need to be addressed and the ones that laws need to be made for and their punishments strictly enforced! Nowhere else do you see law abiding citizens being punished for the crimes of others, how come there are people that feel that is the resolution to the violence that is read about? The reason for our 2nd Amendment is to avoid the very thing that I hear so many of you advocating for and that is to have control of the people and to meld our society into one way of thinking,[see Hitler] instead of allowing us to be individuals with free thought and expression! We are law abiding citizens that believe in possibly having to protect ourselves, neighbors, and our country, from criminals and tyranny! Don't like guns, don't own one! That isn't too tough is it, but you will undoubtedly count on a law enforcement officer to arrive to protect you and they will probably arrive too late!Much as they do in these atrocities we read about! You must also be an individual that feels that it is okay for others to fight for our "actual" freedoms in the military. I am not going to argue about the right or wrong of our wars, as there are some I was against and some that I was for! I wil say PUNISH the GUILTY not the INNOCENT!!!

I'm cool with background checks. I don't care too much about magazine capacity. I think it's mostly just a waste of taxpayer money, though. I don't foresee any of this making a noticeable impact on curbing violence, and I don't think anyone else does either. Seems kinda like the usual knee-jerk reaction my fellow citizens are prone to make from time to time.

Creek-Dog

I'll never do anything stupid with a powder actuated tool. Bring on the gun control and make it work. Prove to me it will work. I really hope there is an answer that does work.

Creek, I agree.

Why doesn’t Barrack Hussein incorporate all his wet-dream rules and gun control efforts in CHICAGO?

What better place to test these Left-wing hare-brained ideas than in the great Liberal/Progressive, sanctuary city, murder capital of the nation? If they are going to make such an enormous impact because all the great Liberal intellect is targeted at this new legislation, let’s see it work in Chicago first.

We have wasted tens of trillions of dollars on all the Liberal bleeding-heart social wars on crime, drugs, poverty and illiteracy, it’s time to test these gun control measures on a smaller scale and IF, I repeat IF, they work after 2-3 years then incorporate them nationally.

Otherwise we'll just allow another massive bureaucracy called the "war on guns" soak more money we don't have and get wasted as usual.

Phinster66... Does Obama need to run for re-election and therefore cares about votes? Gun violence is NOT a partisan issue so don't make it into one.

The problem with only looking at one nation, or a select group of nations, is you control for variables that can cause violent crime or murder rates to be high or low. Both sidesl ike to cherry-pick stats, illogically. The pro-gun side will look at particular cases in particular years, whereas the anti-gun side will only wish to look at wealthy (OECD) nations or cases where gun control SEEMS to have owrked (usually omiting stats that would hurt their case). If you only look at rich nations, you htave effectively said 'poverty causes more violence and murder". If you only loo at certain nations, or those nations in cetrtain years, you do not get a general realistic view of trends, correlations, and possible causality.

It turns out, when you look at all relevant data, gun ownership rates are not correlated to high violent crime rates, high murder rates, or high suicide rates. In fact they are the opposite; negatively correlated. That means, logically, there is no causation between high gun ownership rates and violent crime rates, murder rates, and suicide rates.

This is because of deterents in game theory mathematics. Just as nukes COULD kill many more people than guns, but ACTUALLY cause Cold War as opposed to hot wars that kill millions, guns tend to deter violent acts in society, like murder and assault, rape, etc., even though WHEN they are actually used they have a higher likelihood to cause death and maiming. Game theory shows us why this occurs; deterent. Although in the rare case when you are shot you will be likely to die or be maimed, the actual chance of violence occuring at all is seriously decreased. This is why even while guns, permits to carry guns, and high capacity magazines have never proliferated in greater number in the USA, over the last 20 years the murder rate and violent criem rate has fallen 49%, and has falled 20% in the last decade. Even in this economic downturn (2008-present) there has not been a serious increase in either of those stats (despite intuition saying it should have increased). Mind you, this is while we've laid-ff cops and shrunk plice budgets...so it isn't police presence deternets, it's gun ownership deterents.

A study done by the Harvard Jounal of Law and Public Policy reports some interesting statistics.

The study, which appeared in Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694), set out to answer the question in its title: "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International and Some Domestic Evidence." Contrary to conventional wisdom, and the sniffs of our more sophisticated and generally anti-gun counterparts across the pond, the answer is "no." And not just no, as in there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, but an emphatic no, showing a negative correlation: as gun ownership increases, murder and suicide decreases.

The findings of two criminologists - Prof. Don Kates and Prof. Gary Mauser - in their exhaustive study of American and European gun laws and violence rates, are telling:

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).

For example, Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland's murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe. Sweden and Denmark are two more examples of nations with high murder rates but few guns. As the study's authors write in the report:

If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

Mostt studies that attempt to conflict with this one will use 'homocide" instead of murder as a measurement. That's because "homocide' often includes suicides, and always includes accidental deaths, death-by-cop, and justifiable homocides (legal self defense).

Here is a video looking at crime stats (USA and England/Wales) scientifically instead based on agenda:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c82_1357146088

He explains crime is coming from urban areas...they also come from poorer areas, and minority dominated areas (I'm not white, BTW). All those groups have less guns per capita than do their counterparts.

He also points out violent crime rates are much higher in Englang/Wales vs USA is much higher. The definition of violent crime varies, but not enough to compensate for the difference (people have sifted out the differences in various studies).

I'd also point out that England/Wales murder stats count incidents, not total murders. They had a tiny amount of gun murder, but over 700 murders. England/Wales had the 4th highest murder rate in the UK and the highest violent crme rate.

Lastly, the Drug War is directly responsible for 51% of murders (including the same percentage of gun murders) in the USA annually. That 51% includes drug gang murders and non-gang drug related murders. Meanwhile rifles were responsible for 3.5% of homicides, and only 1.7% of murders. That's not just "assault rifles", it's ALL rifles.

If we look at the the alcohol Prohibition Era, or other nations that have fought drug wars and since decriminalized or legalized, we've seen distinct patterns. For example:

Crime rates in Prohibition rose immediately 78%, 24% in just one year from 1920-1921 (the first year)

http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/00492/Crime_Rate.htm

The murder rate was cut in nearly half (40% decline), from 10 per 100,000 to 6 per 100,000 when Prohibition ended. This was directly caused by the repeal of Prohibition in 1933.

http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/alcohol-prohibition-was-failure

If we want to half our gun murders, legalize drugs. If we want to keep pursuing an agenda that limits rights, as opposed to expanding them, then keep trying to push gun control. One saves many, if not most, of the lives being ended via murder...the other saves at most 1.7% of murder victims (and judging by past gun bans in the USA, saves not even that many).

@gregsmith1

Were you aware that 44% of all crime committed in Chicago with a gun is dismissed? If someone commits a crime (and is caught) using a gun in New York City, they go to prison. There must be consequence to crimes of this nature.

I hear that, in Wyoming, a DUI can cost upward of $12,000.00. That's when you include the fines, court and attorney costs, lost wages and everything that goes with it. There should be something of equal consequence for using a gun to commit a crime.

@notliborcon Defacto background checks are a way to have all gun owners registered, which can be the way a Tyrannt can take away all the peoples weapons!

Here is a quote from monticello.org, attributed to Thomas Jefferson:

You might also look into the writings of Alexander Fraser Tytler written over 200 years ago, and his seven stages of democracy, here is a small part:

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

DUCKS

Turns out that long-time federal gun laws protects ducks from high-capacity magazines. People, not so much.

http://www.foremosthunting.com/Duck/Tips/DuckHuntingForBeginners/tabid/1365/Default.aspx

First the economy, then our sovereignty in the form of amnesty...next take away the tools of revolt. The conquest is so close at hand! Allahu Akbar!

Chicago, LA, Atlanta, Houston, NY, Philly, etc. = Democrat voting bases.

Chicago, LA, Atlanta, Houston, NY Philly, etc. = 65% of our gun violence is gang related and from these spots.

Chicago, LA, Atlanta, Houston, NY, Philly, etc. = Where major gun bans already fail miserably.

Clean your own house Democrats and stop worrying about whats locked up safely in my house!

This is the standard argument:

Q: If Chicago has the nations strictest gun control laws, why is there so much gun related crime?

A: Because criminals can go to neighboring states/areas to get guns, and bring them illegally into Chicago.

My question is this: lets, for a minute, assume that it's just as easy for a Chicagoan criminal to get a gun in a neighboring state as it is for a criminal in that neighboring state to get a gun in his/her state. Wouldn't the gun-control crowd expect to see crime rates in that neighboring state as high, or just as high, as those in Chicago? After all, it's all about criminals' access to guns, right? Why are the crime rates higher in Chicago than in the neighboring states, if it's just as easy to get a gun in either state if you're a criminal, easy to get a gun if you're lawful in a neighboring state, but much harder to get a gun if you're a law abiding Chicagoan?

Lets pretend that illegal guns are everywhere in the hands of criminals, both in Chicago and in other neighboring states. Why, then, is Chicago's crime rate higher?

If said legislation bans certain round sizes and certain guns then I won't accept it. If it finds practical ways to regulate those weapons responsible for crime and actually make a difference then sure I will. If it seriously addresses mental issues without violating privacy then sure.

Feisty @ 1.078: "First Read posts a "gun" thread and all of Pavlov's little doggies come here and lose their @!$%#! lmao"

Excuse me, you were the first to post spewing your leftist antagonizing drivel like a parrot wanting a cracker.

@ Z from AZ

I concur!

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Lets not pretend that murder is illegal in neighboring states...cause it is.

Isnt stopping anyone now is it?

Lets not pretend that drugs are in ilegal in every state...cause they are!

Isnt stopping anyone now is it?

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These "But, their getting them from somewhere else" arguments are ridiculous.

Right to carry states crime is 20% lower than no-right to carry states. That's why. Democrats want the criminal elemets they birthed in the bowels of their own cities to spread out terrorize others. They are trying to "spread the wealth."

RI Mom @ 1.115: "DUCKS

Turns out that long-time federal gun laws protects ducks from high-capacity magazines. People, not so much.

http://www.foremosthunting.com/Duck/Tips/DuckHuntingForBeginners/tabid/1365/Default.aspx"

You know if you believe that this is a good argument you're extremely ignorant. The Federal government, every state, every county, every city and the 10 Commandments "protect" humans from being murdered by any means. Including guns with high capacity magazines. As you can see the criminals and mentally ill do not pay any attention to any law. So, if we write more laws they will have the same effect.

Thanks, Sabot.

Feisty says:

[liberal claptrap talking points]

STILL waiting to read all about Feisty's Grand Scheme to get criminals to submit to all of her [democrat] proposed restrictions and bans.

@ Z

I agree.

we're not going to wait until the next Newtown

There goes Obama once again claiming his anti-gun proposals will somehow prevent another mass shooting but the reality is plainly evident to all that would care to exercise a portion of their brain. This is a long prepared anti-gun agenda, formulated in the white house in concert with the likes of Feinstein and Brady among others that was simply waiting for a trigger event to serve as cover for their true agenda.

Feinstein herself said this anti-gun control proposal was at least a year in the making and even Obama (midway through his first term) said he was working on it, but needed to do it "under the radar".

For Obama, the more time that transpires, the more time for logic and rational thought to emerge and that isn't good for Obama who regularly tries to push his various agendas quickly and without time for debate.

His unconstitutional anti-gun push has absolutely nothing to do with preventing anything or addressing criminal use of firearms and everything to do with disarming the American people.

The tide is indeed turning, and it's not to the liking of Obama as his desperation increases.

Why do you people always worship the "Feisty Butthead'?

The second admendment will not go away.

It is as ingrained in America as Apple Pie and football.

Thake your liberal slants to another thread.

YOU or ANYONE else will not rid of America of her weapons.

You have other means of controlling this issue but you will not use them.

@ Greg Smith -- So how can it hurt?

It reminds me of the Equal Rights Amendment. Men said we women didn't need it.

Well, then, why didn't they just humor us?

And why don't you just humor us liberals on gun laws? Why is the NRA fighting so hard?

Well? Why?

This debate is getting old its the same words from the same people on both sides. It reminds me of hanging out the bar. Same people on the same bar stool so drunk talking in tongues and arguing something thats beyond their control. Thats how this is sounding.

Your time is valuable, but you have enough time to search through hundreds of posts for replies to your first post, choose which one you'd like to respond to, write something out, and then take the time to edit your post? Seems like that poster is worth some of your time to you. At least I can admit I'm not doing anything productive enough right now, so I have the time to sit and argue with internet people.

We hear these big words:

Declaring “we're not going to wait until the next Newtown,” President Barack Obama appealed directly to the American public on Monday to pressure reluctant lawmakers in Congress to move forward with gun control legislation.

Meanwhile, Obama is out skeet shooting! WTF, give me a break. What a walking contradiction!

F u Obama and like my mother used to say " COME AND GET-IT !"

You can't and won't get rid of the guns :) Any infringement is still infringement whether its big or small, wide or thin etc...

One slip through the system and you wonder how many more slips a small legislative piece at a time before we realize its all gone and democracy effectively becomes tyranny. Let's just skip the dog and pony show of putting on a face for the crowd about gun control and actually deal with causes and effects rather then what makes it easier to kill or maim someone.

I figured you'd take a bite =). I was debating whether you would have passed up the opportunity! I'm glad I was worth your time (and your edit).

"Nothing we're going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to 1,000 a year from what it is now," Biden told reporters Thursday afternoon after he spent over an hour lunching with Democratic senators at the Capitol.

The argument for private ownership of firearms -

LAS VEGAS – Suspect killed after homeowner fires at armed intruders - A man suspected in a home invasion is dead and another is in custody after an incident this morning in Las Vegas. The resident, a 72-year-old male who had been the victim of a recent burglary, retreated into his bedroom and retrieved a handgun. As the suspects entered his bedroom the victim fired at least one round from the handgun, causing suspects to flee. A handgun was recovered from near the body in the backyard.

Personal self defense by this 72 year old may not have been as effective without a firearm. Assault rifles first, high capacity handguns next, then other handguns, then Assault shotguns, then ...

We're on the slippery slope many gun owners and 2nd Amendment believers fear.

Another bite? You do me great honor.

I am a late 30's white male registered independent who has never owned a gun. My degree is in Nuclear Engineering. You would think that I would be on the same boat as those of you who support gun bans and background checks, however, I am not. The issue with the proposed background checks is that they are not solely just background checks . It is a registry and President Obama has said this himself. Whether or not you believe the current administration wants to disarm the people doesn't matter when you create a registry as it opens the door for the unknown in the future. If you look at how quickly most jumped on the assault weapons ban wagon after Sandy Hook even though all the murders were commited by hand guns should give reason for caution. IF you do the research yourself and look at the real statistics and not just isolated ones you will find that just over 300 people a year are killed by rifles (all rifles including assault style rifles) so why did our government attack them? Because they look scary? We have a very corrupt government just South of the border of us which is very close to home. I would assume that corruption exists in our government as well. With the onset of super pacs I say we hold this debate in another 20 years when we see how that pans out. Just my $0.02

Maybe the WH will produce another one of those hilarious photo-shopped pics of Barrack Hussein trying to act manly shooting a rifle.

If there's nothing more embarrassing than our POTUS throwing a baseball while decked out in his mom jeans, it's him holding a gun with those scrawny little hands trying to convince the world he can "relate" to gun owners.

Barrack Hussein, the wannabe gun advocate and incompetent president.

Fiesty the Paid Poster.

How are things in Chicago, Right out your back door. Glad to hear that all those controls working. Get all those back ground checks done on all those Bangers? How did January end up? Were working on a new record for shootings. Chicago has done a Great job of keeping drugs off its streets, glad to see all those dealers obeying the law. Just like the shooters right?

Who are you going to blame? Bush? NRA? The Six Illinois Governors that have been to jail? jessie jr? How about laws that don't work and are ignored? Try that one once!

You know... Not all registries need to be made available through the Public Information Act.

Feisty is only here for the votes.

He/she, has no real agenda or purpose.

I do not care what the definition of a troll is.

But my guess it's name would be Feisty.

Hi,

If I thought any of Obama's new laws would stop the useless killing I would say go for it, but as usual he just ain't right.

1 Gun registration - works only for people who want to own a gun legally.

2 Last couple of shootings were from people who owned their guns legally, the parents did not follow proper gun storage procederes.

3. Last couple of shootings were by white middle class American children. WHY?

4. So you take the weapons away from the Americans who want them legally. What about illegal obtained guns.

5. How about the 10.5 to 20 million illegal immigrants, who checks them.

6. Said enough, don't own a weapon, but just some simple questions to all the idiots who want gun control.

7. One of the first steps Hitler took to take over the country was gun registration, after that he could dearm the people who had weapons.

8. With the country being in the financial crisis that it is in, as a politician in charge I sure would want gun control, when I had to say "We can no longer pay social security or pay pension plans" Think about it.

17 trillion dollars in the hole, a weapon hunting we will go, we will take all the guns before we cancel pensions and collapse the dollar on the run. Oh what fun.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Let's see, 3,000,000 of us gun 'nuts' times a 30 round MAGAZINE equals 90,000,000 rounds. That's bullets to you liberals.

If that's not enough to solve the problem, we'll just put in our second magazine :)

I just love all the anti-gun Nazis.

You are all a neverending reminder of why ignorance and stupidity should be ignored as a general rule...and ruthlessly stomped on when all else fails. Your Idiot-in-Chief knows nothing about guns, gun safety or how to properly address the REAL issues...but is perfectly happy to violate the Constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens and of course you all cheer him on.

Fools.

The last "assault weapons ban" didn't do anything and neither will this one. You speak of assault weapons and most of you don't have the foggiest clue what one even is. Did you know that the previous assault weapons ban was so generic that it banned weapons based on how they LOOK????

Seriously, some people are just monumentally stupid.

That's right cupcakes. The previous law banned weapons based on COSMETICS!! It didn't matter what the weapon could actually DO!! Call me crazy here...but I kinda thought that was what was important. According to the original assault weapons ban, if I took a Ruger 10/22 (that's a small caliber target rifle for those of you who know nothing about guns) and I replaced its regular stock with a folding stock (which does nothing but make the weapon easier to store) and a flash suppressor (which does nothing but keep the muzzle flash from blinding the shooter's night vision)...it would then become an "assault weapon".

That's right. Neither "improvement" did anything to alter the weapon's actual capabilities. Somebody want to tell me how this makes sense in any kind of rational world? Oh, that's right. It doesn't make sense. Period.

So...once again, to all of you clueless anti-gun Nazis, I can only say this. Your arguments are irrational, your agenda is a waste of time because you will never take guns away from those of us who own them...and it has been repeatedly proven that your ideas on "gun control" are abject failures and have no impact on anything other than to restrict the rights of those who are not a threat in the first place.

But hey...keep passing stupid laws that do nothing. What else is new?

The entire problem with this gun control fiasco is the hypocrisy of the liberals when it comes to "rights"! The right to bear arms is spelled out in the constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled that this right is individual and not collective: meaning that this right is for the person not for the military like so many libs are apt to state. The liberals are always willing to crush this right because of their "touchy/feely mantra": If it would save just one life, wouldn't it be worth it? The answer is NO!

An example of how the libs treat different rights with kid gloves is when it comes to abortion. (Personally, I am in favor of abortion but with some limits). Our president actually voted for the ability of doctors to euthanize a fetus which survives a botched abortion and is viable! Libs also believe in the ability for women to have abortions deep into the final trimester! This is extreme and should only be used to save the mother's life! But if any conservative tries to put ANY kind of limit on abortion the liberals scream that their rights are being violated. I know that the Supreme Court said that abortion was to be legal and be regulated by the individual states, but, the Supremes have also said that the right to bear arms is based in the Constitution. I have never seen a single amendment which says that abortion is a direct constitutional right!

The blatant hypocrisy in this situation is that the liberals only want to protect the "rights" which they like and fit their template. Conservatives wish to protect the constitution and all of the rights guaranteed within. Think about this when you try to stomp out someone's constitutional rights: Yours may be next!

TrollHarder

SeekingSanity and Fiesty are truly the most immature, hate-filled people I have ever seen in my entire life. Like I would understand if people were doing the same thing to you, but people post mature, intelligent conversations and you call them every possible name in the book short of getting your account deleted. I have no idea how you even still have your accounts since this site is for respectful political debates and all you do is insult people and add absolutely nothing insightful or relevant to the conversation

Fiesty is an employee with the sole purpose of steering opinion by the very organization that presents the news on this site.

Who the hell in their right mind would trust anything that the NRA has to say about the second amendment?

LaPew has no Constitutional law background in his education or on his resume.

Writing a few books on Guns and being the head of the NRA doesn't make you an expert.

Why does the NRA not have a Constitutional scholar speaking for them?

Because they can't find one that will.

Good point, Steve. They can't, can they?

Writing a few books on guns and being the head of the NRA just makes you a shill for the gun merchants.

He probably doesn't even realize how cheaply they buy him, comparatively.

Steve - can you think of any other organization that would understand the second amendment more clearly? Regardless, LaPierre is a talking head, a politician, and while I'm a gun owner, he hardly speaks for me. That being said, I'm sure they have plenty of constitutional lawyers, historians and scholars that give him the information he needs to effectively communicate in a political forum. Obama is a constitutional scholar, but that doesn't mean he's right. He's often clashed on many issues with other constitutional scholars. It stopped being about the constitution, and what the laws actually are a long time ago. Political parties can interpret, reinterpret, and elect judges to finalize yet another interpretation altogether. It's simply partisan politics now, not the "true meaning" of what was. And that's unfortunate.

I, for one, am sick of the Obama administration always feeling that they 1) can, and 2) should "do something" every time an issue rears its ugly head. How about for once the administration take a step back and make sure they are doing the "right" thing as opposed to "some" thing.

Eroding our civil liberty's goes hand in hand with , eroding our civility towards each other.

60yrs ago you could go into a hardware store and buy a gun and a stick of dynamite with no checks, however none of these crimes against humanity were present.

What has changed, simple. Degrading the value you place on your lives and your loved ones, after all if your life is worth less than 10rounds to defend, or say less than 5 dollars in bullets.

These erosion's of our liberties and freedoms act to degrade the value of our lives.

Really Steve?

Hmmmmm, no Constitutional scholar will speak for them huh? That's funny, I thought the Supreme Court spoke for the NRA when it ruled (repeatedly) that the 2nd Amendment protects INDIVIDUAL rights to keep and bear arms.

I'm not the world's biggest fan of the NRA...but they are miles ahead of any anti-gun Nazi.

You know, it doesn't require a Constitutional scholar to understand what the 2nd Amendment says. You just have to be able to read plain English...something liberals and anti-gun nuts aren't very good at.

Sucks to be a product of a poor public education system doesn't it?

What I want to know is....when is Obama going to leave law abididng citizens alone, who happen to own guns and concentrate on the economy? In case you missed it, last week the economy took a hit again and the unemployment rate went up. MSN spun it in a positive light. I say....be quiet, Mr. GUN TOTEN President and deal with the people out here who are struggling and have NO JOBS! PUT THE ECONOMY FIRST for a change!

I have a nice firearms collection, do I need them? No. I don't. I want them. What's wrong with that?

Why are all you gun grabbers so scared of me and my collection, which includes a few of the so called dreaded assault rifles (this is using Feinstein's definition......and with the exception of one, all were made before 1957 from designs that are much older).

I'm so sick and tired of the worn out gun control mantra.....it's just a cop out by folks who believe that the govt., and particularily their party, should be able to tell people how to live (the criticism on political parties trying to tell citizens how to live, what they can, and can't have, or do, applies to liberal and conservative policy).

I have one question for Feisty: So, let's say you get your way, and PBO's administration and this congress neuter the NRA, destroy the second amendment, and confiscate all "assault weapons." What then. What if the carnage continues (and it will) what then? This is a hypothetical of course, but I'm interested to hear what your vision of a gun free America is? Something more substantive than one line insults. I'm not a Republican, far from it, so your anti-Republican retoric won't work here. I want a sincere answer?

The US Supreme Court speaks to the law and does not endorse statements.

The only thing they did in 2002 was affirm that it was legal to have a fire arm for protection in your home under the second.

This Administration has the brains to have the Constitutional legal scholars from every prestigious college say that they support what has been purposed, and they think it would not be set aside by the courts.

Education is what makes the difference here...as has been stated it sucks to be the product of a poor education.

If your a legal gun owner you have nothing to worry about.

If your planning on doing something illegal or are doing something illegal....Worry....Your going to be asked if that gun is registered and if you have proof of a background check...If not....Jail time or a heavy ass fine or both.

Enforcement is on the way with the nomination of a full time ATF director.

So take a look at the policy.

I suppose i could say eroding our civility needs to be addressed, but it seems lost some how.

Anyone know why Pepe LaPierre was in favor of universal background checks and closing gun show loopholes in 1999 but not now?

AGAIN, I posed a very simple question and instead of defending the indefensible, they nimrods have to get all personal with their insults... lol

Notice to the Yahoo's, I have been called much worse by much better than ya'll rookies... Now run along and kiss your kids!

I DO thank you for playing along!

Poor dears are so bound up, they don't know whether to @!$%# or go blind...

This administration doesn't have any brains, as has been repeatedly proven time and time again...but continue to support them if you wish.

As for "constitutional scholars from every prestigious college"...please forgive me for not being impressed. Most "prestigious colleges" are rather useless when it comes to teaching people to actually think. Considering the fact that most of our esteemed politicians from BOTH parties come from "prestigious colleges"...I would think that would be more than enough reason to have a reasonable amount of doubt towards any "scholar" that comes from them.

And if this administration is so smart in regards to Constitutional law...how come there have been so many challenges to rules, mandates and actions that they have done which have been deemed unconstitutional by multiple courts, including the Supreme Court?

Yeah...tell me again about support for Obama's "gun control" laws. As if that is somehow important. Anti-gun nuts never seem to be interested in facts, logic or if something will actually do what it is supposed to. They're only interested in whether it is supported or not.

As if reality actually worked that way.

@ZfromAZ I usually don't do this[succumbing to banal comments] but it was truly my first thought when I read her reply! Now we know what her grampa thought of her: " COME AND GET-IT "! "Funny, my Grampa the farmer used to call the pigs the same way!"

Anna Molly

@ Greg Smith -- So how can it hurt?

It reminds me of the Equal Rights Amendment. Men said we women didn't need it.

Well, then, why didn't they just humor us?------------well Anna,by the talking points of the Dems during the election there is no equal rights for women.remember you dont get paid equal?women in binders?Or have you forgotten all the points from just 4 months ago?gun contol laws dont work for the crimanal is all im saying,No Guns Alowed signs = (to the murders and thieves)Easy Target.Why is that so hard to understand?Chicago,New York,and D.C.have the toughest gun laws and how is that doing?------------And to EEK THE GEEk--i have no problem with tough penalties for crimes commited with a gun.where you got that from is beyond me.show me one post of mine where i agree with what you said or wrote what you said.

The liberals have disturbed the hornet's nest;

Indisputable facts: (an inconvenient truth)
The top 5 liberal strongholds in America are responsible for 58% of all gun related homicides:
LA, NYC, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Detroit.
Those cities produce about 5,300 of all gun homicides. That's a rate of 1 per 3200 or 31 per 100,000.
The rest of the country - 1 per 88,000 or 1.13 per 100,000
Deaths from "high capacity" rifles and magazines: 1 per 850,000 or .12 per 100,000 (in contrast the gun homicide rate in South Korea, the fourth safest nation in the world, is .13 per 100,000)

(From the CDC, MMRW, May 13, 2011 and the FBI Uniform Crime Report, 2011)

Steve - I don't think that many law abiding gun owners care about universal background checks. On the surface, I would bet most are all for it. After all, if you're law abiding, you likely wouldn't be too inconvenienced by an extra five minutes during a gun purchase. But, it's not so simple, and that's where the plan goes to crap.

Lets say that a law is enacted today that requires every firearm transfer after today's date to be done through an FFL and background check process. How could you enforce that law? In other words, what would stop a law abiding citizen from selling his firearm tomorrow, but backdate the bill of sale (assuming he does one at all, which he's not required to do), to today or yesterday? How could you find out which of the 300 million firearms currently in circulation were transferred after that date? How could any agency prove guilt, if it's assumed you're innocent until proven guilty?

The only way to do that is to know who has which firearms on the date of enactment, and the only way to do that is to register each firearm. The problem with that, is that it's illegal under current law, and even if the Tiahrt amendment was overturned, universal registration could never pass as law.

I just love it when FRH and her congress of like-minded ad hominem queens show up.

Keep drinking the Koolaid sweetheart, and BHO will keep blowing smoke, just like the photo-shopped picture of the shotgun in the hands of the anointed one. Anyone who has shot skeet or trap is probably wondering as I, what kind of crappy powder is in those shells? All that smoke from a conventional load, and why does the wind seem to be blowing it around? Or is Barry choomin' again and blowing a shotgun hit for one of his buddies?

The Wizard of Wisdom

Are we paranoid?

You guys are all about worrying about big black helicopters coming to take your guns.....Their going to go door to door.

Right....Mmmm. You guys need to stop hyperventilating....Your not Rambo.

Let the new and the old laws come together and see what transpires....You might be surprised. But then again you would never admit it worked because of your deep hate for this administration.

Ok, I have to laugh at this comment:

If your planning on doing something illegal or are doing something illegal....Worry....Your going to be asked if that gun is registered and if you have proof of a background check...If not....Jail time or a heavy ass fine or both.

Call me silly...but if you are "planning on doing something ILLEGAL", or are "doing something ILLEGAL" with a firearm...whether the gun is registered or not and whether or not you have proof of a background check are rather irrelevant.

Why? Because you're already BREAKING THE LAW!!

So the "jail time and/or heavy a$$ fine" are kind of a given wouldn't you say?

As for the "if you're a law-abiding citizen you have nothing to worry about" bs...well, according to the state of New York's new gun control laws, I would now be breaking the law since I own a magazine for a weapon that holds more than 10 rounds.

Yeah, laws like these will only hurt criminals. Uh huh...tell me another story.

Contrary to some people's opinion, this is not the first president that has attempted to undermine the Constitution. George W. Bush attempted it before him and I'm sure his successor will attempt it as well. They just attack different elements.

When it comes to the idea of gun control, you must assume that every president and every general wants to eliminate all elections and pronounce himself king. Furthermore, you must assume that they will use the weapons at the military's disposal to enforce this. Now, I realize that Feisty (for example) doesn't mind the idea of living under a George W. Bush dictatorship. That's why he wants to take guns and "high capacity" magazines away from the people (but not away from the government.) But I don't like the idea.

Some people like the sound of their own voice. The louder or more aggressive they get the less they fear that they might just be fighting a losing battle. Or in this case, war.

By the way Steve,

You're right, I'm not Rambo. I'm a well-trained former combat soldier who has done it FOR REAL. I'd say that puts me ahead of some Hollywood invention.

As for hating this administration, gee once again you're wrong. I don't hate this administration any more than I hate any of the previous ones this country has survived. I'm used to politicians being lying, two faced, corrupt mickey mouse idiots who sell their tiny souls to any fool willing to vote for them.

Come back when you actually have something intelligent to say.

TrollHarder - what a childish, immature, nothing post. Re-read what you posted. You said nothing of value whatsoever. However, you did prove you're a troll.

Feisty - isn't it amazing that when the word "guns" is the topic, all the insecure, little men come out to prove how BIG they are?

It's sad really, not one of them has anything worthwhile to say but they'll write volumes trying to say - nothing!

Steve

I saw what happened in New Orleans after Katrina. The National Guard went door to door confiscating ALL guns. I saw a video where one NG unit broke the door down to a 90'something year old woman and went through her house as they were doing all houses looking for firearms.

I saw the old woman walk into her kitchen bringing an unloaded handgun to give to them. She was carrying it upside down. No possible way for her to fire it. She told them they could have it. At this point a Big Burly Nat. Guardsman lunged at her and drove her up against the wall with his shoulder in the manner that a linebacker drives a running back backward. He slammed her up against the wall, then took the gun. They then left the house laughing while the old woman remained on the floor.

Don't even tell me that this administration won't do whatever they think they need to do to take guns away from law-abiding citizens.

This POTUS obeys no law. He thinks he IS the law.

good lord, the RWNJ's really are crazy and need meds! Yawn Insanity, Glenn's Beckon and Lush Rimballs... congratulations on stirring up these simple-minded inbreds.

Why didnt Husein O'bama have a Bow and arrow photo shoot? Just seems more logical

Anal PRober is it?? What makes you think that all firearms owners are inbred idiots?? I am guessing that you are following the preachings of the mindless liberals you boot lick.. Too bad for you that many prominent people enjoy firearms even the hypocrite Feinstein..

Just more fluff and BS from the Obama political machine attacking the Constitution.. Why does this so called Constitutional scholar keep doing things that are unconstitutional.. The media has been silent about his incursions into the illegal zone.. Why have we not heard about his involvement in arming enemies of the US in Libya?? Why have we not heard anything about his involvement in Fast and Furious?? Why have we not heard about his involvement in appointing officials without Congressional approval?? Why have we not heard about his Constitutionally illegal executive orders/powers?? Why have we not heard about his involvement in empowering homeland security to be an illegal police force and arming them with machine guns?? Why do we allow him to tell us that arming foreigners so the can kill is OK but American citizens should not own firearms??

I have never felt better about being an NRA member than after reading all these mollusks and their lying hate posts.

oh and Koldwindblows.... you do remember WHICH administration was in charge during Katrina, don't ya? Probably not... Fox probably didn't bother to tell you that. And Kornfed, expected racist remark...no surprise there. Tombo, you keep hanging onto your high capacity assault weapons. Choosing those over innocent victims (especially children) speaks loads about ya NRA man!

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Obama can use and abuse his power all he wants, but law abiding citizens will not fall victim to his decisions and his agenda in controlling guns.

This issue has no resemblance to amnesty, recess appointments, raising the debt ceiling and other executive orders used to get his way.

We have had enough of his BS and also his "photo opts."

We will prevail...

PRober

The NG was responding to the instructions of Gov. Kathleen Blanco. This was a state operation. The Governor calls out the National Guard.

The federal government didn't have the authority to come into La. unless and until the state requested it.

Why don't you learn the law?

I also watched the two ARMED fat-assed women New Orleans police women looting a supermarket and ordering a news crew to stop filming it.

This is why the second amendment is important. If you can't understand that then you're hopeless.

My take on this comment by our President: Obama on guns: "We're not going to wait until the next Newtown" We are going to use the Newtown atrocity to further my agenda to implement gun control! We will use the atrocity to avoid actually dealing with the true issues. We will do nothing to solve a decades old problem of violence by Gangs! We will do nothing to enact laws that have our criminals, actually incarcerated and serve the Full time they were sentenced to, for their criminal acts! We will do nothing to insure that the mentally unstable will receive treatment! We will let everything remain the same and actually pursue my agenda to impose my beliefs on the country!!

Lunkystraydog

60yrs ago you could go into a hardware store and buy a gun and a stick of dynamite with no checks, however none of these crimes against humanity were present.

60 years ago we didn’t have 900 channels of TV, 24/7 news channels, the internet, e-mail, IM, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, X-Box, Play Station, iPod’s, iPad’s, cell phones and texting. These have all contributed to making the world a much smaller place even though our population went from 3 billion to 7 billion today. Contrary to popular culture, violence is not restricted just to our neighborhoods, it’s a global tragedy and growing.

The biggest contributor to our dissociation and erosion of civility is political correctness and the disappearance of the true family unit. The bastardization of the American Dream into “Keeping Up With The Joneses” and the Golden Rule has been replaced by a redistributionist government.

The erosions of our Liberties and Freedoms are due to Progressivisms criminal intrusion into our government demanding it be the provider instead of the Federal Constitutional Republic it was intended to be by our Framer’s.

A dumbed-down cartoon, “The Life of Julia” replaces American exceptionalism. Most Americans only read at an 8^th grade level and the list goes on.

The primary corrective action is to eliminate our criminal government run public education system, eliminate the teachers unions goonions and allow the free market to give our children a chance to succeed in the 21^st century economy and world.

Hopefully our next president will be someone with values and morals rather than statist ideologies that promote mediocrity. A president that wants everyone to succeed not just be middle class. A president who respects the American Dream rather than “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs wants”.

Hopefully

OIC Kold... so let me get this straight... the NATIONAL GUARD doesn't fall under Federal Jurisdiction? I reckon we better have ourselves a talk with all these Gub'ners who sent them to places like Iraq and Afgan! You pretty much showed your knowledge about the "law" hoss. Cute lecture Jim... we all know you are a moral compass

It is good that O'bamalama has his priorities straight. The economy will fix itself. We must pass amnesty for millions of illegals and take guns away from our stupid citizens first and foremost!

Once again the liberals in this country are absolute hypocrites! The say that a law-abiding citizen should have no problem with limits on their right to bear arms. It is just protecting our children and the safety of all of our citizens. If you hear a conservative say that abortion should have any limits they practically have a stroke! The only difference between the two rights is that the right to bear arms is the only one spelled out in the Constitution!

Yes SS and FR are making fools of themselves again.. Picking on grammar and peoples personal opinions to play as if they were superior to all others.. Sorry that the Constitution grants us all equal rights and voice but it is what it is.. Some very smart people wrote that document 200+ years ago and spoke of exactly why they wrote each and every phrase.. You 2 should read their letters since I doubt you have and get acquainted with what you are giggling and snickering about.. Mindless fools of liberty who would discard the freedoms and rights that were given to us by millions of Americans who laid down their lives for it..

Well that's fine PRober if you choose not to have something that is your choice.. Why should millions of Americans loose their freedom of choice granted by the Constitution to satisfy you?? So why don't you just call for a repeal of the document and let Mr. Obama and company rewrite it.. They did that in Egypt and it ain't working out very well..

Ah, the Barry at Camp David shooting up a storm with his guns. Nice shoes too!

yeah Dan... well you're partly right. But not about assault weapons with high capacity round magazines protecting our kids... it's whats involved in killing them. And about that Constitution... don't forget the "Well regulated militia" part. Seems that's rather convenient for some of you.

@ Victor:

the President has means to address the issue

Yes Mr president if you are not a Nazi then you will do what the US Constitution mandates you to do.

You write a Bill and present it to both houses of Congress then if a majority agrees with it they will pass the bill into law then it will come back to your desk where you can sign it into law,

and then if it is ever an issue the US Supreme Court can rule on whether or not it is in violation of the Constitution.

That is how American democracy works Mr Obama.

The problem with your statement is that the Tyrant-in-Chief has no use for the Constitution or the systems in place to make sure we don't have a Dictatorship. In his own mind (and the mindless of the sheep that have a tingle somewhere on their body for him), he is a God, he is or Supreme Leader - and all he wants to hear is "Heil Obama"!

The Second Amendment was to protect the people against their government. The Tyrant-in-Chief does not want us to be able to protect ourselves against the tyranny he hopes to sow! He does not give a crap about the children - he only cares about his empire. And it looks like about 58 million drank his koolaid again. So very pathetic and weak.

Bahahaha! forget to take your meds again Hopeful American?

a gun has never killed anyone on it's own .. a gun is a tool .. no ban on guns will ever reduce or stop gun crimes. there was a ban on assault weapons was lifted in 2004 .. why? because it changed NOTHING.

the newton incident had nothing to do with assault weapons or high round magazines .. people are to lazy to research for themselves, instead they listen to and believe biased media reports

Manipulators create situations so they can be the heroes when they try and solve them the caveat is that there wouldn't be a situation if the manipulator didn't create in the first place. Trafficking guns...this administration are pros so they should have better ideas on how to handle that. Sandy was a tragedy but a lot of the people being called upon by their media sure did a terrible job convincing people they cared especially the day whom had to get ready to cry when the cameras were rolling??

A crisis should never go to waste and the fact that this is being manipulated makes the need to slow walk this legislation as the direction this is headed is not warranted or the intelligent path.

Feisty Red Dog Head the professional blogger whom seems to always be first needs to get off the Govment dole and get a job so he/she can see reality for what it is...that this reality is progressive and destructive!! and will allow our Corrupt Govment to rule instead of lead. READ HISTORY READ FACTS the reality portrayed on this MSN site is fabricated the real world thinks a lot different. THINK FOR YOURSELF ROBOTS.

More gun violence because the lack of morals in this country. It doesn't matter how many guns and what kind are out there. It is because our leaders are not being led by God but buy GREED! and so things will get worse! Our kids and generation are falling apart thanks to cooperate greed and apathy.

The irony in all these supposed increase in whatever crimes committed or not committed for whatever reason is that we haven't been keeping record since the dawn of mankind so I find it funny that most people dont' realize statistics are relevant to the data that's been kept in the past and it's not 100%. Nor will it ever be.

It's esseentially like Global Warming. I mean it's plausible, but how long have we watched weather patterns for?

Well one thing is true....Things are going to change. You may not like them, tough. Get over it.

People use to bitch about seat belts in cars too.....They got over it.

If you own a gun be responsible use a gun lock or a gun safe...Don't let your toys fall into the hands of criminals.

I use a gun safe & trigger lock.....It's called being responsible. I don't want my gun taken and used in a crime, nor do I want to be held liable....Think about it. That's what is coming next, your getting sued for not keeping your fire arm safe.....Even if was stolen ( Consider that most fire arms are stolen or purchased by straw-men at gun shows that are used in criminal acts). The lawyers are lining up all ready in case any of this purposed bill falls threw.

It's controlling Gun Violence......... Not Gun Control.

I do find it amusing that the liberals and anti-gun nuts are so passionate about something that really isn't much of an issue.

Assault weapons? Most of them don't even know what a REAL assault weapon is. They think that if it LOOKS like a military weapon, then it must not be allowed to be owned by a regular citizen.

Assault weapons kill sooooo many people. Really? Hmmmm, in 2011 alone, more people were killed by tornadoes than by rifles of ANY kind. Far more people die by accidental poisonings, drownings, car crashes and other avoidable causes every single year than die by "assault weapons".

Yet these mentally challenged clowns howl about "gun control". Wow.

Feel free to try to pass all the idiotic, guaranteed to fail laws that you want though. It won't make any difference to criminals or the mentally ill psychotics that are the ones doing the killing with these firearms. They'll just keep doing it anyway.

That's already been proven repeatedly. Just ask the city of Chicago.

Fiesty I have an idea lets let the gov't take all our guns then we can all enjoy the safety of gun restricted areas like your home State, that Chicago is a very safe place huh?

On second thoughts come take my guns.....I dare ya. I won't recognize any law that seeks to disarm me or any authority that seeks to enforce a law that violates the Constitution on it's face.

In short Fiesty fuk you, you want a fight let's go. Strap one on ( not your usual strap on) and lets rumble, we are overdue for the correcting balm on a good revolution

Obama's assault on our second amendment rights has nothing to do with concern for reducing violence. The facts are that murder and violent crime rates, as well as the use of a firearm in commission of a crime, have all gone down by 50 percent in the past 20 years in the U.S.

Fact: Canada, Australia and Great Britain all have stricter gun ban laws, and all of them have higher violent crime rates than the U.S.

Great Britain's violent crime rate is 5 times the violent crime rate in the U.S.! It is true that the U.S. has a higher homicide rate than those, more violent, English speaking nations. However, the FBI asserts that as much as 80 percent of the violent crime in the U.S. is drug gang related.

The Obama administration knows all of these facts. Ending the "war on drugs" is the only way to dramatically reduce violent crime in this country. Conveniently the poppy fields will still remain in Afghanistan after we withdraw.

Fact: rifles are involved in less than 2.5 percent of all gun crimes in the U.S. A new "assault weapon" ban will do nothing to reduce violent crime.

Fact: law abiding citizens use firearms at least 1 million times (some estimates are as high as 2.5 million) a year to deter crime when the citizen felt imminent danger to their or someone else's life.

Gun control will take guns away from law abiding citizens and increase the number of violent crimes in this country; increase the number of murders; increase the number of victims of violent crime.

Fact: Obama's illegal, immoral, unconscionable drone strike program has killed at least 200 children in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia.

Think about that when Obama and Biden say that gun control is needed to save children's lives.

oh god.. yet another tough guy hiding in the shadows of a newsblog, hanging tightly onto his guns while he threatens a woman...right rainman? I'd say "good job" little man but I'd be lying. You're probably minus a few inches to qualify as even a small one

Since the National Guard is a state based fighting unit such as the Ohio National Guard or Texas National Guard they are controlled by the State level government.. Approval of their mobilization comes from the state capitols but because they are part funded by the Federal monkeys and politics are politics they do get called up to serve in conflicts we are drug into by the White House.. But I hope you are not confusing them with reservists who are tier 2 US military personnel.. Then we have state Militia like in Ohio.. Our state Constitution is clear when it says that all citizens of the state between 17 and 63? are compelled and automatically in the Ohio citizen Militia.. Oh I forgot the Federal goof balls propaganda machine says Militia is a BAD thing.. We inbred stupid farmin folk in rural Ohio that you like to slap around are ready to protect and defend the ideals of our forefathers.. So if you want a liberal controlled fantasy land try Detroit or Chicago or New Orleans or New York and all the other liberal cess pools bought and paid for with our tax dollars.. In Ohio we have 5 counties that eat up 80% of the tax dollars generated by the state.. So most of our states remaining 30+ counties pay into those 5.. They now have casino gambling in those 5 counties as well and guess what we pay tax dollars to finance them so the state government can get more money for their failing government unions retirement funds..

JimSpence

Fact: It is not an assault on the second amendment. Ask a Constitutional Lawyer.

While the death rate may be dropping that in no way means that enforcement of the laws on the books and strengthening laws is a bad idea. If it was 68% of the NRA members wouldn't support it and 89% of the public wouldn't support it. Guess that leaves the rest of you on the outs with the rest of us.

Yawns at the rest of the comments/posts crying, & being paranoid. Your small and not mighty in-spite of your big bad gun. (extension for your penis I'm thinking).

"Impotent men"

Hmmmm, I guess Feisty thinks it's a female?

You have a lot of nerve (one that is not impressionable) to say that about gun owners.

I own weapons, and love to shoot.

I don't even hunt.

I have the equipment and it's not impotent in the least.

I have a new target now.

You have made quite a few new "friends" here I see.

I think your gig is up.

I shoot with words as well as weapons.

Guess who my new hobby is Feisty?

Yes, we'll restrict the populace from defending themselves, while we in Washington prepare the drones to stop civilians who may become dissatisfied with our corrupted policies and we label as enemy.

Anti gunners are so worried about the small percentage of population and are unable to recognize the bigger picture; the whole country.

Steve - you can't legislate morality or responsibility. You can't even trust parents to teach it anymore. Therein lies the whole enchilada of what's currently wrong with this country. If you fix that, you fix almost everything. Problem is, too many politicians want to legislate tertiary issues that don't fix the underlying problem. That's why no matter what level of gun control you enact, there will always be another Sandy Hook around the country, more wondering "what more we can do", more asking "where did we go wrong", and more complaining about one side or the other, which is all utterly useless in perspective.

My fists are assault weapons!

Z from AZ

Oh really? Hmmm I'm gay, the anti's are sure as hell trying to legislate us & tell us what is moral & responsible. Seems like a double standard to me.

Get back to me on your statement will ya ;-)

"Nothing we're going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to 1,000 a year from what it is now," Biden told reporters Thursday afternoon after he spent over an hour lunching with Democratic senators at the Capitol.

@ Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Hey Fiesty, try this on for size: [this is a compilation of my posts from other articles]

Nah!

If it's all the same to you, I'll take a pass!

Please don't strain anything patting yourself on the back, some people are fooled, shame for YOU I am not one of them!

If I want to read a fiction novel, there are a hell of a lot better authors rather then yourself, little buddy! ;o)

My time is valuable and sadly for you, you're unworthy of it.... lol

Do carry on...

#1.129

Spoken Like a true liberal, Change the Subject, Ignore the Facts, and Name call or Marginalize.

The trouble is(for you), none of it is fiction. I would gladly debate the inferences drawn from the data.

My guess is you are too ignorant or of a sufficiently diminished mental capacity to formulate a cognitive and cohesive argument to refute my position. And you must revert to ad personem or dismissive argument to satisfy your exaggerated sense of importance, since you seem to fail to fully comprehend what was said. But hey, you're cool, right? You sure told me off.

Anyone know why Pepe LaPierre was in favor of universal background checks and closing gun show loopholes in 1999 but not now? #1

I have no idea why he changed his mind, and anyone, other than Mr. LaPierre, who answers this question is only speculating.

Can you answer me "why Obama changed his stance on so many topics, like gay marriage, or using military force unilaterally:"

"The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation." to the Boston Globe; Barack Obama 2007

But in Libya, the president took action without congressional approval, ordering American warplanes to bomb that country. Bill O'Reilly "the O'Really Factor"

Or any of the other multitude of topics? No, because you are not him. To do so would only be speculation.

But I will ask you one question. Do you love Obama?

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL----Well slugo where in the article does it say anything about Obama crying that people in America do not need to be better armed than the police? It is not in there is it, you and your religious left have one goal in mind, a shiny perfect world controlled by force and fear and you are willing to do anything to get it. Well Darth Fiesty I do not want anything to do with your perfect world. Count me as one who has served this country for half of my life telling you who has never done anything to go hide in your hole so nothing happens to you. I took an oath to defend the Constitution and the United states that includes you whether I like it or not so when are you going to make the same commitment. I already know the answer, never.

If La Pierre had to get a psyche eval. before owning a gun...with his history, he wouldn't own one!

Steve - you made my point. It's not "all men are created equal", it's partisan politics. There's what it should be, and what it is. And as I said...what it is, is unfortunate, because it could be so much better if politics gave way to rational discussion and fact.

That being said, I also believe there's a culture of hypersensitivity whenever minority groups have a way to possibly construe any statement or symbol as racist, sexist, or homophobic. There has to be rationality on both sides.

I like these NRA haters telling the NRA what it should do. It is as during the campaign when all you lefties were attempting to dictate to the GOP as to what it should do. As if you'd support it if it gelded itself to suit you. Every spare nickel I got goes to the NRA and its current leadership. The NRA is doing exactly what its growing, ever growing ranks want it to do, tell it to do, underwrite what it's doing. It's making you guys whine!

for you people that think the back ground check is a good idea. try these facts.

Columbine - guns stolen from parents

Arizona - passed back ground check because the system is incomplete

Aurora - passes back ground check because the system is incomplete

newtown - guns stolen from parent.

in any of these do you see how a back ground check would have stopped it? i don't i am not against the back ground check i have been through it. its not hard and its not time consuming. however la pierre is correct. without the system being complete and up to date it won't do any good because its not going to catch those that have commited these crimes. again its not the guns its a much bigger problem. this is just feel good crap. look what we done we are now safer until the next one happens and then its what happened, oh we must have missed that gun or that gun. then what oh no big deal we will just add them to that usless law we just made. when someone shows me how to fix it let me know. we are looking at the wrong issue.

Ya know, There's a LOT that needs to be made clear to the politicians that are "working" on this Bill... Including President Numb Nuts. And Bill Stevens in Connecticut said it very nicely:

Bill Stevens Gun Violence Prevention Working Group Public Hearing

Two words to the POTUS, CONgress, the Liberal Leftists, Feisty and "his/her" minions...

DUE PROCESS

Legislation IS invalid and WILL be ignored!

Priceless, Feisty redheaded skannnnk calling someone limp dick, did it ever occur to her that a double dose of Viagra couldn't help someone perform a sex act on that cow.

YOU WILL WAIT MR> PREZ the people haven't finished speaking and your not done listening. Use FACTS not FICTIONS to argue your fantasy points. Your elitist friends can wait...they have waited a long time and they will wait a little longer. WE will make sure of that..gun grabbing freedom killers.

Feisty....why don't you go down to the XXX store, by yourself some battery operated toys and entertain yourself that way. Come back when you have something intelligent to say

To the person who brought Australia in to his argument near the top of the discussion. You are wrong Australians can still by rifles and hand guns. You just need a back ground check. We just don't sell semi automatic assault rifles. Because who needs to pump 30 rounds in to a kangaroo. And before you go ranting you mouth off check the Australian Institute of Criminology. Non gun crimes have increased only because of the increase in foreigners. But granny can still apply for a shotgun if she wants. I have 20 rifles and 4 Hand guns and 2 shotguns all through legal means cause I am a law abiding citizen. Please leave us out of your arguement.

The sensible middle ground is where CreekDog and Feisty say the same thing... responsible gun owners have no problem with society placing legitimate controls on gun ownership, use, and sale. Surely legislation can be written to ensure various weapon types are licensed to people who have no problem passing a background check or safety course. I'm also fine with restricting magazine size and armor piercing ammo to assist law enforcement and reduce the incidence of high casualty counts from criminal or insane public attacks.

@ Steve-3564331

Who the hell in their right mind would trust anything that the NRA has to say about the second amendment?

LaPew has no Constitutional law background in his education or on his resume.

Writing a few books on Guns and being the head of the NRA doesn't make you an expert.

Why does the NRA not have a Constitutional scholar speaking for them?

Because they can't find one that will. #1.152

to Jim Spence:

Fact: It is not an assault on the second amendment. Ask a Constitutional Lawyer.

While the death rate may be dropping that in no way means that enforcement of the laws on the books and strengthening laws is a bad idea. If it was 68% of the NRA members wouldn't support it and 89% of the public wouldn't support it. Guess that leaves the rest of you on the outs with the rest of us.

Yawns at the rest of the comments/posts crying, & being paranoid. Your small and not mighty in-spite of your big bad gun. (extension for your penis I'm thinking).#1.207

How is it not an attack on the 2nd Amendment? Do you even understand the Constitution? My guess is, No. So, how about a little lesson.

The US and State Constitutions do not grant, guarantee, or other wise give us our Rights. As US Citizens, WE ARE BORN WITH THEM, as in "Endowed by our Creator". (God if you believe that sort of thing, your parents if you do not) These Rights are our Birth Right. And no one can take them away(without due process, and even then prisoners still have rights at least according to you liberals).

{ And yes the line "Endowed by our Creator" comes from the Declaration of Independence, of which the Articles of Federation and the US Constitution are an extensions. (First we declare we are independent, then we set down the rules to maintain that Independence)}

I have the Right to LIFE, and I have the responsibility defend that life. (SCOTUS DC v. Warren) Or as in the 5th Amendment, "...nor be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law...". It does not say the Government has a duty to give me life, or a safety net to ensure my life, liberty or happiness. It says only that the Government may not DEPRIVE me of life, etc without due process. See, the Constitution "Guarantees" nothing, it is up to us, The People, to defend our Rights and to guarantee that the Government follow the limits set by the Constitution.

The US Constitution created the Federal Government, and set limits upon it. Among those limits, is that it shall not "Infringe upon a Citizens Right to keep and bear arms". The sad thing is, the government already does this, in several levels, requiring that I get a permit (CCW) to bear arms in public, that I must pay excessive taxes to own automatic arms. (This sets up a discriminatory practice in that only the wealthy can afford automatic weapons. I am waiting for the Government to subsidies my "2nd Amendment" Rights as it does my Right to Healthcare)

So, how can a ban on certain types of arms, based solely on their appearance, not be an infringement upon my Right to own such an arm?

Well one thing is true....Things are going to change. You may not like them, tough. Get over it.

People use to bitch about seat belts in cars too.....They got over it.

Sorry I don't wear a death strap, I (as well as several other I know) survived a car wreck because I was not wear a death strap. Suffice it to say, that the statistics on "Seat belt" safety are more than slightly skewed. But that is a topic for another discussion.

If you own a gun be responsible use a gun lock or a gun safe...Don't let your toys fall into the hands of criminals.

I use a gun safe & trigger lock.....It's called being responsible. I don't want my gun taken and used in a crime, nor do I want to be held liable....Think about it. That's what is coming next, your getting sued for not keeping your fire arm safe.....Even if was stolen ( Consider that most fire arms are stolen or purchased by straw-men at gun shows that are used in criminal acts). The lawyers are lining up all ready in case any of this purposed bill falls threw.

It's controlling Gun Violence......... Not Gun Control. #1.201

I agree on a gun safe, especially if you have kids in the house. I recommend all gun owners have a fire proof gun safe. But I can't agree on making it mandatory, again it goes to the burden of cost. Nor can I agree that all guns should be "locked up". Here is the problem. Let's say they make it mandatory to lock up all guns. And you have kids at home. Let's say a guy breaks in, sees the safe, and proceeded to put a knife, to your kids neck, would you open the safe? Knowing you will probably die if do, or gamble you might still make it out alive, knowing those guns will be used in another crime? I believe it should be left to the discretion of each gun owner, and the threat level they face(from armed intruder), pared against the hazard to the children at home.

And I agree, I am sure the liberals are chomping at the bit to make the legal gun purchaser liable for its misuse, even if they have no or little control over it.

As a side note, has anyone heard about the disposition of the guns in the Lanza case? Did she have a safe? Were the guns locked up? and did he force her to give him access? or were they in a place readily accessible to Adam?

of course he wants gun control. America is collapsing, both monetarily and morally, and he has to keep some "free" thinkers in line...in case it really goes to @!$%#. And....it is, day by day. Got ammo??

All this ridiculous gun control BS can be summed up in a story.

Take a woman and child, place them in a room with 5 gang banger/rapists and two serial killers, there is a table with a phone on it. That woman naturally (the victim type) reaches for the phone when someone is threatening her and the safety of her child. Little does the woman realize, but the phone has a three hour delay built into it. The evil characters are all armed because they don't follow any kind of laws made. No amount of wishing or praying will stop the criminals from having their way with the woman and child. There happens to be however, a one way door, leading to somewhere, the victims know not where it leads, but out of desperation, they bolt through the door.

In this new room, is a table with a .22 rim fire revolver on it. There are no phones, no communication devices of any kind, there is no calling for help, not even from the heavily armed gang bangers in the next room, as the door locks behind the victims. Also in the room, is a 700lb grizzly, he is extremely hungry from the drought, he has not had his fill of berries and moths, he needs food for his hibernation and he will not hesitate for one moment to eat the victims, literally. In the infinite wisdom of the gun control fanatics, the woman is only allowed to defend herself and child against this deadly creature with little more than a BB gun in its' perspective. The shrill and hateful comments , "What do you need an AR for?", "You don't need that!", "We don't need it, so you don't need it either!" goes through the mind of the victim. Yes, even the woman herself made those very comments the day before, stalwart in her resolution to control the 'big problem in guns'. Unfortunately, the woman is powerless to fight off the grizzly, they do not make it, she and her child are eaten by the bear.

Those type of victims don't matter to the gun control crowd, they pat themselves on the back and congratulate themselves for being so forward thinking and socially responsible that they forced others to be defenseless victims. Those victims did not have a chance against the overwhelming forces they encountered, and suffered greatly as a result.

You can be as passionate as you like and shamelessly politicize the Newtown murders, but, the call to action should not be 'gun control'. Finding a more effective way of weeding out the psychopaths is.

We're not trying to take away anyone's right to bear arms, we're only trying to take away certain types of arms that no one has any business with anyway.

You know? It sounds really damn weird when you try to make these anti-second amendment arguments apply to the first.

Obama,

I have a dream!

The reason I say that is because there "are" no other laws out there that worked. Look at the drug ban. Look at any other ban.

For criminals, where there's a will, there's a way.

HOW IRONIC, Barry Soetero, aka Barrack Hussein Obama* "The Ultimate Hipocrite" who paid a $375,000.00 fine for his campaign violations in the 2008 election, is in Minnesota "The Land of 10,000 Hipocrites"(who all wear a badge) Where in 2008 393 Convicted Felons voted in the 2008 election. And they are talking about passing a law.

Al Franken (D-Min) won the 2008 election by 213 suspected Illegal votes, and is a co-sponsor of a law to ban certain types of guns.

The U.S. Government calls the M16 Fully Automatic Machine Gun a "Personal Defense Weapon" while at the same time calling the semi-automatic civillian version of the same gun, an "Assault Weapon" for "Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law", reasons.

Title 42 Chapter 1983 usc (United States Administrative code)

The tide is turning, just look at recent polling.

Why dont you go troll somewhere else Feisty?...You are nothing but a PAID pain in the A$$ and you are WRONG!

Only 22% of Americans believe gun control will reduce crime
58% of Americans believe violent crime would be reduced if more people had guns
65% of American gun owners say they would defy gun confiscation
52% of gun owning Democrats would defy gun confiscation
70% of gun owning Republicans would defy gun confiscation
73% of gun owning Independents would defy gun confiscation
77% of gun owning Men would defy gun confiscation
52% of gun owning Women would defy gun confiscation
68% of gun owning whites would defy gun confiscation
54% of gun owning non-whites would defy gun confiscation
58% of gun owners with a college degree would defy gun confiscation
69% of gun owners without a college degree would defy gun confiscation

Anderson Robbins Research (D) / Shaw & Company Research (R)

Jim Spence you tyypify what is most hilarious and juvenile about independent thinking RIghties with tyour con stant alllusion to "Husssein". WHy don't you go whole hog like IAmnotyou and calll him Barry Husssein Soetero like you're auppposed to? ANds be carful of Obama's Monkey Army. He's training another set of monkeys to steal the marijuana of folks in states which have legaliZed it. IT's called Obama's Monkey Cannnabis corps. THey are distinguishable from the gun stealing monkeys because he 's dyed their hair blond and had it permed so they'd fit in raiding dispensaries in Santa Cruz.

If ‘Assault Weapons’ Are Bad…Why Does The Department of Homeland Security Want to Buy 7,000 of Them for ‘Personal Defense’?

The Department of Homeland Security is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO “personal defense weapons” (PDW) — also known as “assault weapons” when owned by civilians. The solicitation, originally posted on June 7, 2012, comes to light as the Obama administration is calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines.

Citing a General Service Administration (GSA) request for proposal (RFP), Steve McGough of RadioViceOnline.com reports that DHS is asking for the 7,000 “select-fire” firearms because they are “suitable for personal defense use in close quarters.” The term select-fire means the weapon can be both semi-automatic and automatic. Civilians are prohibited from obtaining these kinds of weapons.

The RFP describes the firearm as “Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) – 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required.” Additionally, DHS is asking for 30 round magazines that “have a capacity to hold thirty (30) 5.56x45mm NATO rounds.”

Republican New York state Sen. Greg Ball also issued a press release this week bringing attention to the weapons purchase request.

Calls made to DHS seeking information regarding whether or not the RFP was accepted and fulfilled were not immediately returned on Saturday.

Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) on Thursday introduced legislation that would enact a so-called “assault weapons” ban. The bill would ban more than 150 firearms and limit magazines to 10 rounds. There is no expiration date on Feinstein’s bill.

Viewer Ready - your vocabulary shows you have the "shooting" ability of a bb gun. I doubt Feisty or anyone else fears words from you! But go ahead - make our day! You're laugh a minute!

Roadrunnero - the fool here is you and your posts show it!

Ronald Hussein Reagan

Jim Spence you tyypify what is most hilarious and juvenile about independent thinking RIghties with tyour con stant alllusion to "Husssein".

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

Really Ronald?

Really Ronald "HUSSEIN" Reagan???????

Go away Buckwheat, you're a typical little limp-wristed Liberal nobody.

Isn't "Hussein" Barrack Obamas middle name? Is he ashamed of it? Are you ashamed of it?

I'm just making sure Americans remember Barracks middle name. You know, just like you Libbies used to, and still do to varying degrees, remind us of George W. Bush's middle name. Remember how cute and witty you all thought you were calling him "Dubya"?

Now, after I schooled you on that, tell me something. How do you justify Ronald "Hussein" Reagan after your diatribe?

You're a typical little Liberal/Progressive hypocrite.

Like I said, go away Spanky, you're making yourself more and more insignificant.

P.S. You may want to slow down on your typing, your spelling, grammar, punctuation and structure reflects your public school education.

To gregsmith1

I did not mean to IMPLY that you disagreed with tough penalties for crimes committed with guns. But I was curious to know if you were aware of exactly how many of these crimes are dismissed by the courts in Chicago. It is no surprise to me that they have so much crime since the gamble is almost even.

Oh and BTW. There is no need to get snarky with name-calling.

SpenceJaime Ronald Husssein Reagan is a responswe to alll the garbage you and your ilk post about our left handed President. ANd, by the way, I do not have to justify myself to an empty can like yourself. ANd, if ytou'd care to remember Dubya was so callled to distinguish himself from his father. I thought it better than callling him "The real Dumb Bush" as that would have been too time-consuming. INtersting you go back to dfend that traibnwreck while callling our currrent capable, intelligent and restrained Chief Executive incompetent. Has "Failed President " expired on the RIght WIng list of insipid insults? What's with the limp wrist garbage - hate gays as welll as your racial hatreds?

Feisty you're right Obama is a Pig - your words !!!

I'm just making sure Americans remember Barracks middle name. You know, just like you Libbies used to, and still do to varying degrees, remind us of George W. Bush's middle name. Remember how cute and witty you all thought you were calling him "Dubya"?

Another childish put down by little jimbo spence. My Dubya is bigger than your Hussein... and you went to an inferior school, blah, blah, more limp wrist bull@!$%# by the tighty righty.

Careful RHR next he will tell you about the perfect life and times of little jimmies mommy and daddy!

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/man-shot-near-martin-luther-king-jr-high-school-in-detroit

I will give a thumbs up to PBO, he left MPLS prior to rush hour. Thanks

What is this "Gun Show Loophole" I continually see in the news? Do you actually think one can go to a gun show and purchase any firearm you want from any vendor there without going through a background check and the 'normal' paperwork?

If so, I have some news for you, you are wrong, completely wrong. A FFL dealer is REQUIRED by Federal law to do a background check, complete a Form 4473 and verify ID of ALL persons purchasing firearms. This procedure is done every time, regardless of the sale taking place at a gun show or in the dealer's brick-and-mortar store. In most states and political sub-divisions, a PRIVATE sale between two individuals does not (yet) require a background check or the same paperwork as the dealer. This transaction can occur at a gun show, the buyer's home, seller's home, or any place they both agree on. The myth of the "Gun Show Loophole" does not exist and has never existed. It is a lie spewed by anti-gun activists and eagerly lapped up by teh media to be repeated over and over so people who don't know better are convinced it is the truth.

"Nothing we're going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to 1,000 a year from what it is now," - J.Biden

Wayne is accessable at NRA.com go there and ask him. I am sure he will give you an answer not a run arount like the D Bag in office.

LaPierre supported the Gun show background checks, not Universal background checks. The problem is that this prevents a father from giving his son the family shotgun/rifle/etc. which is a time honored tradition in many homes.

Normal sales are always checked yet the people who knowingly make this attempt are not prosecuted so what good are more laws.

Ignorance is rampant with people on both sides of the issues. Fully automatics rifles made after 1986 are not legal for civilians to own, weapons made prior to that are in circulation and can be owned with the appropriate license. Weapons manufactured prior to 1898 are exempt from ALL checks and laws and can be bought/sold and shipped without recourse. I own several that meet this criteria.

None of this solves any problem, most military mags are 20 rounders and adding a couple more mags to the mix won't slow down or prevent squat (anyone remember Columbine?).

Lack of personal accountability with and entitlement culture that glorifies "tough guy" wannabe's is not helping. If you are so ignorant to think that guns don't flow from south to north of the border with the drugs you are just kidding yourself. The commander in chief (lower case intentional) needs to worry about a a budget and try to quit spending more than we have

The idiot-n-chief has no plans for the miserable economy...so why not deflect the real problems of this country and play with immigration reform and gun control. Obama hasn't a clue how to get this country back to work...just more of the same old liberal BS...

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featu...n/2081848359001

Join the NRA folks! Show these buffoons who has the numbers!

Steve-446003......

You will never hear a Progressive saying anything about, nor questioning the comments of, Mr. Biden.

Love is in the air.

What a crock of @!$%#...pass more laws, pass more laws and it will still happen, whackos will still kill and if you think not...well you are full of @!$%# also.

I was hoping that I did not have to go this deep. My two major concerns with those who are advocating for outlawing "Assault Weapons" is one, do you know what it actually is that they are trying to ban. Putting a pistol grip or collapsible stock on a rifle should not make it anymore of a "Military Style" or "Assault" weapon. That would be like saying if you slap a couple of fancy stickers and a spoiler on your Toyota Prius you automatically have a "NASCAR" ready rally car. Why am I bringing this up because under the previous band, having two or more of the characteristic listed above deemed a weapon an "Assault weapon" I implore anyone who is weighing in on this topic to know what an AR-15 or Bushmaster rifle is. These are not the big, "scary" guns that Rambo uses to mow down bad guys in bad guy land or that you see in action films. The sad but honest truth is Adam Lanza could have walked into that school with a golf club, a bat or a kitchen knife and achieved his goal(read the article about the man who killed 20 school age children in china with a cleaver the same day as sandy hook). This is not meant to be insulting, but how intimidating can something like scuba diving or even snorkeling be until you have actually have experience doing it. How scary is driving a car before you get comfortable doing it? You do not have to own guns or even use them routinely to have an opinion on this matter, but I strongly urge you to either talk to someone who is very familiar with guns or at the very least do some investigative research on what these guns are, how they differ from actual military weapons and what changes are being proposed, before demanding change. Part II to follow.
Part II: "Why do gun owners care? When will you ever need an "Assault Weapon" to hunt?" This is where you really have to put your thinking caps on and where I probably differ from most gun enthusiast. I am in the military (navy) and am a qualified small arms instructor. You are absolutely right. Outside of work, there are not a whole lot of practical uses for a ninety-round drum magazine. I hunt often and go to shooting ranges even more frequently and it is great not to have to change my magazine after ten rounds, but would it be a big deal if I had to? No. The reality is, that is not what this is debate is about. This is not about the number of deaths from these types of weapons. "Assault Weapons" are used in very, very few gun crimes. Why? Because they are big, bulky, hard to conceal and even for people who use them often, they are cumbersome to operate. It would have been much easier for them to use a handgun. Only a madman, a literal mad man, would use an assault rifle to commit these acts. If someone who is clearly not in their right mind can waltz into your establishment with an "Assault Weapon", your establishment has a security problem and more can and should be done to ensure only responsible people have guns. But none of that is what this is about. This is not about you. This is not about how much you dislike guns because they are "big", "ugly", "stinky" or "scary" and you have never had the need to use them. This is about a textbook issue. As in open any creditable textbook that talks about America's foundation and you will find irrefutable proof that our founding furthers, the framers of the constitution, desired its' citizen to have guns. Their desire was not just that people would have guns so they could hunt buffalo or for sportsmanship. Guns where a staple of the checks and balances this country was famously founded on. The president is not a supreme ruler because of the checks of congress. Congress is not all powerful because of their own divide as well as the supreme courts ability to provide checks and balances to laws. Government, foreign or domestic, cannot continuously and blatantly terrorize American citizens because we have the ability to defend ourselves. The founding fathers were not implying that if you do not agree with someone or your government that you should simply whip out your "Assault Weapon" and shoot them and neither am I. There knew peaceful means was the only way this government would work. Americans owning guns where a deterrent and a part of the checks and balance system. I guess There will have to be a part III.
Part III:
Now is the time you will need to choose. Either our founding fathers, the framers of the constitution were "crazy, NRA like, anti-government, and conspiracy theorists" or they were the men of renown that we learned and taught our children about. You choose, But do not try to force feed me gun control horse crap and call it gluten-free chocolate pudding. Our founding fathers wanted us to work peaceably with the government on the notion of consent for the good of the nation. Yes, but the framers of the constitution were also very specific and adamant about ensuring that citizens had the right to bear arms. There were certain things that ensured us we were citizens instead of subjects, The right to vote, The right to own land and the right to bear arms. The musket excuse. In the time of our founding fathers they only had single shot weapons not "Assault Weapons" should Americans be allowed to have any type of weapon? There were also naval battleships during that time. The founding fathers did not include the right to bear battleships. It is clear that the founders wanted us to have the capability to protect our property and the resist the government should it become necessary. If every responsible Jew had a rifle before World War II would the holocaust have happened? Would they have been more equipped to defend themselves against such evil? I do not believe Barack Obama is anywhere close to Hitler, or that our government has become tyrannical, but you are only fooling yourself if you believe these things could not happen and history testifies against you. As I said before a lot of us have become self-centered and want new bands on guns because we don't like them, we don't use them and the band does not affect us. It is not about you, frankly, it is not about the lives we have lost to gun violence (there are other methods to prevent such), it is not about guns. It is a fundamental argument about what kind of nation this is. That's why?

The challenge of the 21st century that has proven most significant is maintaining the freedom from fear. This challenge will also have the greatest impact on our future when it comes to deciding how much of our freedoms we are willing to sacrifice in the name of safety when it comes to constitutional rights such as the right to bear arms, freedom of speech and the freedom of religion. Sinclair Lewis, "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the American flag" (Levi et al., 2008).

There are people on both sides that have valid points on gun control. The worst thing is the people who write 10,000 word post(just write a book and get published) and the people who write in all caps(stop yelling).

Where are all these private gun sellers that everyone keeps talking about? I've gone to any # of gun shows & out of 100-300 dealers, I'd see maybe, maybe 1 guy selling as a private individual; I think I attended 1 show where there were 2 such individuals manning a table apiece. One of these private sellers told me that the show promoters made it very clear to them that even as non-FFL dealers, that if they had any suspicion whatsoever about the person wanting to buy a gun from them wouldn't be able to pass a real background check, selling to them was doing something illegal, & the promoters would turn them over to the ATF in a heartbeat. Granted, how the seller was supposed to know if the prospective customer was a felon or whatever was a little fuzzy, but then again, people will say some of the stupidest things that can be a tip-off. One old man I met wanted to see your driver's license to get an address & insist on getting a phone #; he kept his own little record book, said he wasn't going to take any kind of rap if someone used the gun in a criminal activity. If he didn't like your looks, or something tripped his mental radar screen, he'd refuse to sell, & the guy (it was always a man) was welcome to go whine to the promoters & security guys about it. Kind of a crabby old guy, but pretty smart. Said that the few times he did that, none of them came back to his table to argue somemore.

Seeking Insanity - Please enlighten me. Why is Chicago the gun murder capital of the Western Hemisphere, that happens to also be ran or(ruined) by Democrats? Why does Obama NEVER mention all the killings in Chicago his hometown, killed by someone who could look a lot like his son?

I cant wait till the truth comes out about barry and his minions. Obama said he was going to run the most transparent administration ever, Well, I can see right through his BS!!

Thinkaboutit

Your post is an idiotic chain letter from the 90's, that is complete lying bullsh@t

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

go ahead and actually look up where it came from.

If you're going to participate in a debate, try to introduce facts, not made up anecdotal BS.

Speaking of which, Geo, you're also just as guilty, if not more so, of trying to bring in bull@!$%#.

Chicago is not the gun murder capital of the western hemisphere, not even close. Hell, it's not even near the highest in the country. That goes to New Orleans, which puts it at Honduras' rate.

New Orleans has a firearm homicide rate of 62.1 per 100K, the highest in the country, and the 2nd highest in the western hemisphere. http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2013/01/gun-violence-us-cities-compared-deadliest-nations-world/4412/

New Orleans also has some of the loosest, least regulated gun laws in the country. It is the NRA posterchild city. http://www.examiner.com/article/louisiana-gun-rights-control-laws-worst-the-nation

In summary, your made-up, tired arguments are devoid of any semblance of facts. If you're going to contribute to the discussion, try not to muddy the waters by just throwing in bull@!$%# you just made up.

SeekingSanity

MontereyJim - no YOU and everyone like you killed them. You might just as well have pulled the trigger because you truly don't give a damn that they are dead. To you each and every dead child is just a minor inconvenience for you. Pathetic individual you are.

I beg to differ, and, look who's talking, seekingsanity, the pathetic individual in the foretext of this reply.

SeekingSanity

geo - idiot. Because those getting the guns go outside the state and get them without background checks then bring them back in. And, if you could actually LISTEN, the President has often mentioned Chicago when he talks about guns. NOW LIAR, try again!

Getting a firearm illegally cannot be controlled. BATF rules are such that no legal seller of a handgun can sell to anyone outside the state in which their FFL is issued. I know you think it is rampant rule breaking by law abiding people, but it isn't, there are severe penalties already established for an FFL that sells to straw purchasers or illegally, they wouldn't stay in business long. I know this as an FFL dealer. It is clear that despite all the rules in IL and Chicago, people will not follow the law. How do you honestly expect the criminals to follow even more? It isn't rational at all.

Your hysteria is unwarranted and your ignorance is profound. Look up the rules before you vomit your filth.

t

Phil - your ignorance is compounded by your eagerness to post it - and look even more imbecilic every time you do. I have no hysteria but you gun freaks sure do! You'd be laughable if you weren't so sick!

You show daily that no matter how hard we look, there is no sanity in the Republican party. And, you kiss the feet of the NRA mafia - what a total goon you are!

Obama wants guns confiscated period! He is planning an all out war on we the people! He is getting rid of military heads and replacing them with ones that will fire on Us. The new military recruits were asked if they would fire on American citizens. Obama posed that question to these men and women through their superiors. I worked with a vascular surgeon, who views
Politics the same as me. I mentioned this, she said it was absolutely true. Her son's best friend recently joined and he said he was asked this question. My question has this ever been posed before by say, President Bush or the other Presidents?
I found this quite strange and baffling, why is Obama asking this? I came up with several answers. He plans takeover as a dictator? Or his he worried there will be a civil war? Whatever the reaso it scares the hell out of me. I went and purchased a
Ruger and thinking of a Remington shotgun. I joined the NRA too. Obama has nothing but destruction of America. He has some people buffaloed but not all of us. We need to remember Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini what they did to their county men and now Obama. He steps all over the Constitution, he can not be trusted.

SeekingSanity

Phil - your ignorance is compounded by your eagerness to post it - and look even more imbecilic every time you do. I have no hysteria but you gun freaks sure do! You'd be laughable if you weren't so sick!

You show daily that no matter how hard we look, there is no sanity in the Republican party. And, you kiss the feet of the NRA mafia - what a total goon you are!

Wow, you prove my point very well. You are the fool. Learn some reality, not everyone must conform to your viewpoint on how to live, nor are your life's necessities applicable to be forced upon everyone else.

More simply put, mind your own business, you don't know what's best for everyone.

SeekingSanity...

Still seeking, I see...LOL!

Join the NRA, folks! Our power is in the numbers!

@RedDev PS I suppose that you are a person that is ridgid in your way of thinking and do not believe that people have life experiences that can actually change their minds and thoughts in a 14 year period! I feel sorry for all the people that are in your life, if you are that arrogant to believe that you are omnipotent and are unwavering in your views! Just shouts out Stubborn A** to me or a Hypocrite! I am on here to have my views questioned, and to learn others views and their evidence, possibly altering my own thoughts! Our brains should be used for thought and reasoning!

SeekingSanity

Phil - when those people infringe on the rights of sane, responsible people I will comment. You and your sick buddies who believe they need bigger guns and larger magazines are sick. The only reason for those guns is to kill but you don't care.

So, I will mind my own business and THIS IS my business. No one knows which one of you idiots is going to go beserk next and kill even more people!

Do you have any clue about the viscious nature of four legged and two legged animals? They will not blink to kill you or eat you, literally. Where I recreate there are many killers and I will not be defenseless. You can be defenseless if you want, it is your right, but I will fight back. You may not live in an area with these types of animals nor see the need for anyone to own firepower to take them down, but I do. You cannot tell me what I do or don't need to defend my interests.

You cannot project lunacy on everyone, saying that someone shouldn't have a firearm because they will go crazy sometime in the future is called 'projecting' and this is a totally false argument created by the fearful. We had better not issue any drivers licenses, because someone will lose control of their vehicle at some future date and kill people, the driver and others, we cannot ignore this phenomena, the goal is to save every life imaginable is it not? You don't deserve a drivers license, YOU may end up killing ME on the street somewhere!!!

My firearms are not made solely for killing, sorry. I have a good time shooting targets and being (OMG) safe about it! Why would I go shoot if I wasn't out to kill everyone? That is your logic. My firearms have killed no-one, and I hope to God I never have to fire on any two or four legged animal either. I have my firearms because I can, it is my duty to be my own security, I cannot trust anyone implicitly and I will defend myself. You cannot tell me otherwise.

You also are extremely condescending in your insults, you think that firearms owners are dumb hicks, well that is utterly false and untrue. Please put your brain in gear before your emotions hijack your mouth (as you have already shown). See, I can be condescending as well!

"We need to do something about gun violence!"

Meanwhile: "PULL!!" *kapowee!!

BAN takenada ! have sensible "scum control" not unsensible gun control,ban the scumbags !

Fiesty

The one with all the answers but lives in one of the most F upped cities. Chicago. How things working there? Which elected official going to prison this year? Jessie jr on the fast track to behind bars. Who's next?

Not sure who uttered this little line ...

The new military recruits were asked if they would fire on American citizens

but just wanted to share something with you RWNJ crazy butts who know NOTHING about those in Afghanistan. I'm a wee bit of a gamer ... not the X-box type, but I play word games on my tablet. I started playing with a friend's son who is stationed in Afghanistan and now play with some of his friends. We chat during our rounds and the whole basement-paranoid-militia type idiots THINKING our military wants jack to do with them ... uhhhhh NO! And the statement above, totally bogus.

These wonderful young men and women are defending the regimes/rights of the countries we've sent them to. If need be, they will defend our country from those that want to take away our rights. They are NOT going to go basement hunting for thrill-seeking paranoid IDIOTS. You THINK you're worthy of some kind of attention. Bottom line, this country has been there and done that and you'll all eventually die out as will your paranoid ideas.

McCarthyism did. Thank God, intelligence prevails. You all will be a $100 answer on Jeopardy in the not so distant future.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Nothing better than to let America see what today's GNOP is all about! lol

If you think Republicans are the only ones that own firearms and value the 2nd amendment, you are clueless.

Our brains should be used for thought and reasoning!

Yes they should. Unfortunately, after reading your blather, I hardly think yours, much like LePierre's, is equipped for the task.

The one with all the answers but lives in one of the most F upped cities.The one with all the answers but lives in one of the most F upped cities.

Another country bumpkin turrified of da big scary city!!

Join the NRA, folks! Our power is in the numbers!

The only power you have is when you stand behind your guns, loaded with ammo. That makes you a chicken @!$%# coward.

Your "stories" make no sense, have no facts, and are very easy to tell that they are completely made up. Your paranoia is ridiculous, and people like you weaken this country's spirits and strengthen the resolve of our enemies.

Travis - I was wondering who let Nurse Ratched out of the looney bin. I though she had a room next to good ole Charlie Manson.

Phil - all you do with every post is show how totally ignorant and incapable of rational thought you are. Keep it up - it's humorous!

EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans Google the headline people

Ban people in public!

EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans Google the headline people

Just woke up Starman? This has been an ongoing question for quite a while concerning a drone strike that killed an American terrorist overseas. Keep playing ketchup.

I'm pretty sure most of us do not believe that all gun owners belong to the Republican party. (Gabby Giffords comes to mind.) What we DO think is that MOST irresponsible, unhinged gun nuts DO.

Wasn't that Biden who, in 2008. when questioned about his Schumer-like obsession with stripping us of a lynch-pin of our freedom, smirked and said, "Nobody is taking my Beretta away!"?

And no one has introduced legislation to take his Baretta away

STILL asleep, RedDevPOS? If you've been too busy concentrating on non-issues like bringing in fairies with sprinkledust to wish away all the guns and have all the owners bow down to the sh*tbag in office like your clueless, hopeless kind, you might not have heard the drone-strike "justification" went a LOT further earlier today (saying the gov't and O's orders don't need to involve capture or trial, just an order of "probable cause" at his/those close to him's discretion), meaning the beginning of EVERYone in the U.S. being deep in it (1st step in it coming to U.S. soil/being regular, domestic occurence), even you people with your face shoved up O's a*s while FISTY's giving you a reach-under.

Quite simply-----Shall not be infringed.

Military style??? No different than a normal magazine fed rifle with a scope. Look at a 30 06 round and tell me which is more dangerous? 12 gauge anyone? Look and style does not make it dangerous, it is the person who bears it and for the most part you can pass all the dumb laws you want till there are no more guns, the criminals will still get theirs and by that point you will have gotten yours....just from the wrong end of the barrel. Worked GREAT for England.

An Assault "Style" Rifle Ban prior Sandy Hook would have saved ZERO children at Sandy Hook, period.

President Obama is using smoke and mirrors to blind Democrats into supporting his pet agenda's. Assault "Style" Rifles, Shotguns and Long Rifles combined, constitutes a mere 25% of all firearm murders in the U.S..

Still think this is about saving lives?

RedDev...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...libbies are so funny!

I'll bet my guns are bigger than yours!

These wonderful young men and women are defending the regimes/rights of the countries we've sent them to.

Their mistake.

We chat during our rounds and the whole basement-paranoid-militia type idiots THINKING our military wants jack to do with them ... uhhhhh NO!

Believing they would refuse to follow orders, your mistake.

Anyone notice that MSNBC doesn't want to hear any discussions on certain so-called "news" articles?

So Chris Rock thinks that Barry is his Daddy... good for him.... and he thinks Barry is his Boss... good for him..... maybe Chris should understand something..... this guy does NOT have any BOSS... whether it be my Mother, my Father, my Wife, Supervisor, it does not matter.... NO BODY will ever have the title of BOSS in my life..... I AM the BOSS of everything I say or do, no one in Washington, Hollywood or anyplace else....

So Chris, you just go right ahead and follow Barry off that abyss.... I'll continue to make my own decisions.....

And Chris, are you going to give back any of the money you've made from GUNS in your movies?

Thought so.... it's not THAT important to you.........