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Subscribe to RSSThe National Rifle Association will appear Wednesday at the first congressional hearings on gun violence in the wake of Newtown – at the invitation of Democrats.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy invited the group to testify alongside Mark Kelly, whose wife, former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, was shot at a Tucson supermarket in 20 while she was greeting constituents.
The NRA strategy, at least according to prepared testimony, remains the same as it has since 20 children and six adults were killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.: push for armed guards in schools and insist that measures like an assault weapons ban and universal background checks won’t help matters.
“When it comes to the issue of background checks, let’s be honest – background checks will never be ‘universal’ – because criminals will never submit to them,” chief NRA lobbyist Wayne LaPierre plans to say, according to prepared testimony released in advance of the hearing.
Universal background checks – closing the loophole that allows private gun sales to people who haven’t had a criminal records check – is one of the gun safety measures most likely to pass the Senate. Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn, a Republican, told Tulsa TV station KRMG that he is working with Democrats to craft a bill that would mandate the background checks.
NRA officials, though, insist that won’t keep guns away from criminals; they also point to studies showing the assault weapons ban in effect from 1994 until 2004 didn’t reduce crime. Gun safety advocates say that 10 years wasn’t enough time to measure the ban’s effectiveness, among other arguments.
LaPierre will instead tout the NRA’s gun education programs and argue for measures that will help states put armed guards in schools.
“It’s time to throw an immediate blanket of security around our children. About a third of our schools have armed security already – because it works,” he will say.
And he will repeat calls to strengthen measures aimed at keeping powerful weapons away from the mentally ill.
“We need to look at the full range of mental health issues, from early detection and treatment, to civil commitment laws, to privacy laws that needlessly prevent mental health records from being included in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System,” LaPierre plans to say.
The NRA is also claiming increasing membership: The group claimed 4.2 million members just three weeks ago, but the Wednesday testimony says it has 4.5 million members now.
Democrats asked LaPierre, Kelly and Baltimore County Police Chief James Johnson to appear at Wednesday’s hearing. Republicans on the committee called Colorado academic David Kopel and attorney Gayle Trotter as witnesses.
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The NRA just doesn't know when to quit, do they?
The FACT that last weekend 6 so called gun "professionals" shot each other accidentally at gun shows across the country should be PROOF these gun wackos don't know what the hell they're talking about!
My daughter is a special education teacher, the VERY last thing she wants added to her already overflowing J-O-B description is to have to pack heat!
Worth reposting:
Seems Wayne LaPierre is a bit of a hypocrite. Here is what Wayne LaPierre had to say in a House subcommittee hearing on crime after the Colombine shooting:
One Hundred Sixth Congress First Session May 27, 1999 Serial No. 84
So, what has changed?
Nothing...nothing at all.
Here is the link:
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju63126.000/hju63126_0.htm
His testimony can be found starting on page 117.
Thanks NRA .
At least someone is focused on jobs .
The NRA should suck on a gun!
Some schools have as many as 4-5 entrances. So, a guard at every entrance? Who's gonna pay for that? Wayne and members? My high school has 4 entrances that I can think of off the top of my head. We do have two resource officers on campus. They are police officers.
Hey, Wayne La@!$%#:
And he will repeat calls to strengthen measures aimed at keeping powerful weapons away from the mentally ill.
One of the ways to do that, DumbAss, is to close the gun show loophole!
This madman is coming up with every friggin' excuse under the sun to fight for his gun makers!
Alaska Girl,
Keep in mind, we are NOT dealing with rational people who are playing with a full deck here!
I see where our latest re-reg has found clip-art again! lol
wayne fails to grasp the realization many aren't criminals until they get a gun. The dope in Newtown wasn't.
These people should be nowhere near weapons!
So true, tony! Neither were the Columbine duo. Neither was James Holmes(Aurora). The Columbine duo had a friend(hs senior at the school who had turned 18) go to a gun show(gee! how convenient) and purchase the weapons they would later use to kill.
If it's good enough for Obama's kids, it's good enough for everyone else's.
It would be up to the school districts to pay for them. Many districts in Texas have already begun doing so.
Your high school has only 4 entrances? Is the fear of such an incident as what happened in Newtown a top concern? Alaska is gun friendly, the teachers are maybe already armed?
And then there was the Vice-Principal with an anger problem -
at my in-law's High School.
This V-P went over to another High School - and fatally shot the Principal.
So if a teacher has a gun and a student takes it from their purse/bag and kills 5 classmates then who would be responsible? BAD IDEA NRA
I hear you Fesity. The last thing we need in our schools is a bunch of armed George Zimmerman clones!
Simple Theory: Yes, your theories are very simple. The mind of a simpleton. I am so damn tired of that lame ass reasoning. ANY president of the United States is required to have Secret Service detail and that goes for their wife and their children. They do not have any say in the matter. I don't recall anyone bitching when Bush's daughters both had SS detail! STFU about it already. It only proves you and others to be morons. Oh, and, HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! The most powerful man in the world. Geez. Morons!
Oh, nice. Texas will pay for more and more guards with guns, but they can't even maintain the health and well being of their people. Texas and its governor are pathetic.
Adam Lanza was refused when he tried to purchase a gun.
http://www.pressherald.com/news/adam-lanza-attempted-failed-to-purchase-his-own-gun-sources-say_2012-12-16.html
It is idiot drones such as you who think people are better than you that make me laugh. No one has tried to kill Obama's kids. He has around the clock protection. I didn't say he shouldn't have the right to be porotected or that he shouldn't be protected. You lack the critical thinking skills of a fourth grader, much less a high school student. You knbow you're dealing with an idiot drone when all they can offer to make their point is BUSH.
The children of the President of the United States have historically had Security.
With good reason.
fyi, Eishenhower's grand-daughter Susan, was saying the other day that having Presidential Security all the time was not fun, and that the lack of privacy was difficult. She blasted the NRA for playing the despicable game of comparing their situation to others.
The original idea for armed police officers in schools was Bill Clintons after the Columbine shooting...so for all you out there making comments about how the NRA is wrong on this then Clinton was also wrong, I guess that is just another one of those I was for it before I was against it things.
WTF are YOU blathering on about?
It has been proven repeatedly that Sidwell school had NO armed guards!
Pull your head out of the void of NewsforDumbFux @!$%# and do some HOMEWORK for a refreshing change!
Yes, Simple, our high school, we have only one where I live. It is large, and yes there are about 4 entrances. I have not heard that there are concerns, and no, I don't believe that our teachers carry guns. We have two local police department resource officers on campus. Fortunately where I live we don't see the kind of violence that goes on in the lower 48, but I do understand the concerns that people are having, especially in areas where crime is high, but I still think it is wrong to add more guns to the mix, especially teachers.
The only reason that Adam Lanza was refused was because he did not want to wait for the waiting period. At least you provide a link that tells that, some have spouted it off and make it sound all high drama that he was turned away without stating the truth as to why. Yeah, you or I or anyone else would have been as well if we didn't wait the 14 day waiting period.
Simple, I bet you that we would both be amazed at the amount of threats this particular president and his family has received over the last 4 years.
I made my point well and clear, and used Bush as a point of reference for the mind of a simpleton.
Feisty - the fact that ALL President's children have Secret Service is lost on these nitwits. The Bush girls had Secret Service when they went bar hopping.
The NRA is a disgusting group of dumbed down idiots (think about that one) who don't care about anything or anyone - just their damned guns!
Except Obama receives thousands, if not tens of thousands, of death threats every year.
Except many of those threats are serious and involve his kids. That you don't know about it is accounted for by the fact that you don't work for the Secret Service.
Except taxpayers have been paying to protect the president's family for decades.
Except Al-Qaeda won't kidnap your kids in order to make demands to the White House.
Except it was CONGRESS that decided the President's kids should be protected. It wasn't Obama.
Except Secret Service agents are some of the most highly trained people on the planet when it comes to operating guns. Same can't be said about volunteers who have already started showing up to schools and carelessly leaving guns unattended.
Don't you lecture people on critical-thinking skills when you fall for this stupid false equivalence. Don't be such a drone.
SS--- The Republican Party is coming apart at the seams. To me, it's a beautiful sight, and long over due. They have gotten their way for far too long and we have all suffered for it....A slow motion train wreck would be easier to watch but not as much fun.
Tom, true but I have to wonder who will get hurt from the fallout of the train wreck. Republicans have already hurt so many by obstructing the jobs proposals the President proposed for the last 4 years. They are ruining lives!
SS--- You're right, they are oblivious to the harm that they keep doing to the economy and to the American people, but I think that at some point they will have to realize that they have hit rock bottom in popularity and will have to change.
Tom - I hope you're right but I just don't see any reasoning from the Republicans. They just don't get it!
Democrats inviting LaPierre to testify because nobody makes the case for gun control better.
Where in the article did it say teachers need to "pack heat"? Once again the looney left puts words in the article to suit their agenda.
If you have more entrances than 1, LOCK 'EM. It doesn't matter. Windows are entrances to someone hell bent on getting in. The thought alone of having armed personnel in the school to try to stop one from getting in should be a bit of a deterrent at the least.
Once again, the fisting deadhead blathers about things she has no clue of. Forget that her info comes from the Washington Post, a left wing outlet known to lie when confronted with facts they find pesky which points out the hypocrisy of the left.
Here, MSN confirms Sidwell has armed guards.
http://now.msn.com/obama-daughters-attend-school-with-11-armed-guards
Cultists are so amusing. Check out that avatar the deadhead is sporting. If that doesn't scream insane devotion to the point of being a "cutter", nothing does.
"This is not a new world: It is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advancements, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: Logic is an enemy, and truth is a menace." - R.Serling, 1961
Lets see what the NRA said about guns in 1934,
"I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns, I think it should be sharply restricted and only under license" NRA president, Karl Frederick 1934
That must have been before the NRA became a tool of the arms manufactures. Nothing more then choosing guns over lives, and this unscrupulous organization doesn't care one iota about humans or their rights.
I have a question for the gun nuts. When does your rights end and mine start?
There were armed guards at Columbine High School, for all the good that did.
That's a simple theory alright. Hey, Simple, The POTUS has Secret Service protection so you should have it too.
Exactly. The NRA is just a tool of the arms merchants. Gun sales had been dropping for decades until the NRA ramped up the fear factor and now the gun nuts can't get enough.
Wake up, American gun nuts. You've been had by gun advertising/propaganda for far too long.
Good Lord. You can run background checks on every single citizen in America, ban all "assault rifles" and the sort, and yet have the absolute idiocy thinking that this will not happen again. Pull your damn heads out of the sand. What we are trying to do is to PREVENT this from happening again. And yes, there are many schools in Texas where these programs have been in place for a few years, and there have been no incidents. It still astounds me that you "holier-than-thou" liberals STILL place the blame squarely on the NRA. That line of thinking is both flawed, and stupid. Oh, your school has more than one door? Well, I'll be. There are these handy things called locks, where when you lock a door, no one is getting in or out. Idiocy at it's best. And despite your knee-jerk reactions, and verbose name calling, the fact remains that WHEN this happens again (not if, but when), if there is no one there guarding our children, there will be another slaughter. It's just that simple. Do you honestly think Texas is the only state that has these programs? Instead of slurping your information from the assnine idiots at msnbc, perhaps you should talk to some parents and teachers. Where do we figure in this equation? Answer, we don't. The politicians, and talking heads obviously know what's better for us than we do. Reap what you sow.
I can't wait to see how the idiot LaPierre, and the hypocrite republicans are going to handle Kelly. I wonder if they'll handle him like the idiots did the father who lost his son in Newtown.
Democrats inviting LaPierre to testify because nobody makes the case for gun control better.
Actually, I think they just want him to put his foot in his mouth, AGAIN, since he thinks an increase of 300k members to 4.5 million is busting records, LOL, that's really funny. How many people in America, how many guns in America, and his membership is only 4.5million out of 300million+ Americans.
I'm a responsible gun owner, and NEVER, EVER had any use for the NRA!
The NRA is a well Organized. They are well funded by the gun makers and the fools that join them. We must hit critical Mass and get well Organized as well. We can't afford to have 1000 little groups. I say we get behind Mark Kelly and Gabby's Organization. They are someone that everyone knows. Mike Bloomburg has said he will but up some money. That is a good place to start. Less all get together behind one big well organization and get to 10 million fast and hard and show the NRA what real American can do. All this name calling is just slowing up the process.
Seeking and Alaska Girl- Simple Theory is apparently stepping up for the thoroughly marginalized and long-since discredited Joe the Albanian.* The resounding stupidity and casual dismissal of facts, logic and evidence paint him as a perfect example of Reich-wing belief.
These people are immunized against enlightenment in a way that Doctor Salk could never have imagined, and their self- proclaimed moral superiority is exceeded only by their assumed and completely phony air of aggrieved victimhood. Try to reason with one of them and you're likely to have less success than old King Canute had, standing on that Heligoland beach and commanding the tide not to come in.
As we used to say down in Texas: "Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time, and annoys the pig."
Peace!
*Ooohh, a reference to ethnicity! Guess that proves I'm a racist like ALL Liberals, don't it?
Our high school campus has buildings that are separated from each other--a student has to leave one building to go to another. We have armed police officers in the building. What would the NRA want next, armed guard towers, five foot thick walls and concertina wire and body searches of people who come and go off campus?
There are schools where it's necessary to have armed guards- because of crime rates in he neighborhood or gang influence or what have you. Most of these schools already have them. If the Federal government wants to provide some sort of assistance to pay for those guards in those schools I'm fine with that.
But the notion that we need armed guards in every school is preposterous. Schools in rural North Dakota where I live are already closing because of financial pressures and some students are already spending 3 hours a day on busses on rural roads in North Dakota winters. How many more will close if they have to pay for an armed guard to sit around all day? Most of those rural schools have 100 to 200 students- the guard is going to know every one of them. If a student decides to bring a gun to school and go on a killing spree who do you think he's going to kill first? If someone you know walks up to you and pulls a gun what do you think your chances are of stopping him? So what then? We are the teachers? My sister-in-law was an elementary school teacher for over 30 years. She'd be happy to tell you how crazy the idea of putting a gun into a room full of hyper-active kids drawing her attention in a hundred different ways would be.
As far as Wayne LaPierre goes- President GHW Bush figured out almost 20 years ago what a despicable creature he is.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/22/1173270/-George-H-W-Bush-s-Letter-of-Resignation-from-the-NRA#
Unless the NRA has a plan for how the school systems across the country are going to afford to pay for armed security services they have no leg to stand on.
One at his vehicle 60 yards from the school building (who incidentally shot at and missed hitting one of the suspects and he went back in the building). Another, an officer in the area writing a citation, heard the call on the radio and went to assist.
Not exactly an arsenal of personnel for a school that size.
So ol' Wayne is going to propose putting armed guards in every school. Fine; ignoring the fact that that will convert places of learning into near-prisons, who is supposed to pay for all this? The NRA is always trumpheting their 'responsibility', so step up and PAY for the costs of your anti-social hobby. Tax firearms just like they have done to tobacco and alcohol; heavily, and with the money earmarked for school security, gun owner screening, and enforcement.
About $1000 per gun should cover expenses... Or will this be the usual GOP hypocrisy, with the costs shifted to the victims?
That would be idiocy, NPCDan. In case of fire (which is far more likely than an armed assault on the school) the locked doors would trap students inside the burning building.
Your thought process needs to go all the way to the end instead of stopping half way.
How many armed guards do you need to secure any given school? When is enough guns enough? Why not call out the National Guard?
Thar fact is that having armed guards at Columbine High School proved completely ineffective. And you want to do the same thing anyway. Brilliant.
Anti safety people on this thread should be so ashamed of themselves. The blood of the children is on your hands.
Who is gonna pay for additional security via armed guards? We all will and should through taxes. We know that it has become popular among crazy people to inflict as much harm on others as they possibly can when they decide to end their lives. It seems that more and more often these individuals choose schools as the location to carry out their pathetic "last act."
Armed with this information, we are all guilty for failing the defenseless children in our schools. Anyone older than 8 or 10, especially if they have been bullied, can understand the concept that a deranged killer with no regard for life must be stopped and that must usually be accomplished by using force. To stand by and knowingly allow our children to remain defenseless is exceptionally repulsive, selfish, and lazy behavior on our part. As for the antis talking about turning our schools into jails, there couldn't be a statement that is further from the truth. If you have a sufficient number of armed adults then the schools can continue to operate as normal. Students, parents, and visitors will continue to come and go from the schools as they do now. Armed adults would respond in the event of a shooting. Plain and simple.
That's a stretch. Why not try putting the blame where it's actually due: squarely on the heads of the shooters and those who have aided and abetted them in obtaining assault weapons and high capacity magazines?
Your idea was tried and failed at Columbine. Arming a bunch of security guards at a school is an accident waiting to happen.
Fixed it for you. Press your reset. Your comprehension and differentiating between one and more than one isn't working.
What's your point? How many armed guards are necessary to prevent a school shooting? Your argument fails to take into account that the shooters at Columbine knew there was an armed guard present and were not deterred.
Once a shooter has gotten into a school and started shooting, how many armed guards are needed to stop him? How many police officers were sent to Newtown, and were there enough?
It all comes down to the reality that a gun is like a drink for an alcoholic: one is too many where a school is concerned, and there can never be enough once the shooting has started.
Kaybeetoys,
One or two armed guards for a school that is several hundred thousand square feet in size is not going to cut it. If you think that it is, then you have absolutely no clue when it comes to real life. You can have a shooter enter the building on one side and start unleashing carnage and the resource officer might literally be half a mile away through a maze of hallways. The appropriate solution is to have armed adults in the immediate vicinity of every corner of the school.
And we aren't even talking about after school activities either.
Got a robocall from the NRA that said, "Be a grassroots patriot and demand that Obama doesn't take away your guns..."
The NRA gives hicks a bad name.
BS!
If the NRA want's to push armed guards in public schools, they're commercial members can tack on a surcharge to pay for the program. The American Taxpayer should not subsidize the gun industry. Their idea...they can pay for it!
I'm a gun owner and I'll either pay the price to fund the program next time I purchase a weapon or ammunition, or I just won't buy it...my choice!
Why stop there, JohnLaz? Why not have a SWAT team in every corridor of every school?
The appropriate solution is to keep guns out of the hands of violent crazy people, and keep schools strictly free of physical and emotional violence.
Unless you think it's appropriate to teach our little children that human conflict and mental illness are best handled with gunfire. You know best. ;)
Let the NRA pay for armed guards then.
Still seeing no logic from the Right. How surprising!
What is "funny" about this article is that it fails to mention that item number 3 of Obama's plan is to put more Cops in schools. Those "resource officers" he wants to put in schools are cops. It also fails to mention that there is a Justice Department program designed to give school districts money to fund putting those "resource officer" COPS in schools called, you gussed it, COPSinschools. Bill Clinton created it after Columbine. So, if your a liberal, something you praised as a great idea when presented by Bill Clinton suddenly becomes an evil idea because the NRA backes it. Hummm.
Once one dispenses with all the media fueled hype and emotion, one would see that such shootings are extremely rare, so having armed guards in every school is overkill and unsustainable over the long term.
What should be done is to allow teachers and other school employees that already have concealed carry permits to bring their guns onto the school grounds. In Israel many teachers are armed and this works out very well for them, so there's no reason to think it wouldn't work here.
Want to put them through some additional training before allowing them to bring their weapons onto school grounds? Fine, it's still the most practical solution.
Actually I think a lot of High Schools would benifit from having cops present, particularly those more likely to have gang issues.
Kaybeetoys,
Let us assume that we can do a good job keeping guns out of the hands of violent or mentally unstable people. Let us also assume that at least once per year, someone who desires to cause a lot of harm will get their hands on a gun and go to a school to perpetrate a mass shooting. What do you propose? How do we keep the schools "free of physical and emotional violence?"
I would love it if we could keep our schools and entire society free of this violence. Clearly you hate my proposal. How do you think we should go about completely securing our schools against violence?
Where would those teachers keep their (supposedly) loaded weapons for easy access for them but no access for students?
Ask America's teachers if they want to carry guns to school.
Complete security is not possible in the real world. Violence is part of the human condition. But to add more guns in the fallacious belief that we will have fewer shootings (of all types, don't leave out accidents and suicides) is nonsensical.
Kaybee,
People that are armed would carry the guns on their person. Obviously I do not advocate for teachers carrying guns and setting them down on the desk to be handled by students. God I love your nonsense.
Hello folks, the constitution is the law of the land. If this administration wants to change the constitution there is a process to do that. Otherwise we don't have to comply with anything else. It would be unconstitutional.
P.S. If armed guards are good enough for Obama's kids, they're good enough for ours.
Point of an idiot. I , nor any other American not in political office,do not expect armed protection from the secret service. What we hard working Americans, those of us who don't believe that any other is superior to us, do expect is for temporary politicians with a penchant for idiocy not to dictate how we should protect ourselves and our families.
When the secret service starts carrying derringers I'll reconsider my position. Until then, spare me your stupidity.
I would expect the drones to be onboard with this idea considering the violence is prevalent in their states.
Great clip from one of your Gods, Martin Bashir:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/msnbc-edit-deliberately-smears-gun-owners-as-sandy-hook-%e2%80%98hecklers%e2%80%99.html
KIDS
in the cafeteria
in the bathroom
at recess
in field trips
in the hallways
at the bus stop
in the school bus
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sure, put guards EVERYWHERE...economically, practically, all
FOOLISH
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If the NRA wants cash strapped schools to hire armed guards they should offer to pay for them. And offer to pay enough to get professionals rather than low paid cowards like the two armed guards at Columbine.
I find it ironic that you blast liberals yet have a picture of honest Abe as your avatar. You do realize he was a liberal as your average liberal is these days right?
And I am a responsible gun owning liberal democrat who believes the NRA is a gun lobbying sham. My father used to buy an NRA membership for me every year and I told him I wanted no more association with those clowns. And for whats its worth - my father deer hunts in 2 states (rifle and shotgun) - he archery hunts - he hunts muzzleloader and even he wont be re-newing next year due to their stupidity.
So you're proposing that our teachers wear a gun in a holster on the hip?
Brilliant. Now I've heard everything.
I wish I could say I loved your nonsense.
Yet you would deny Secret Service protection to the children of the POTUS?
What is so horrible about that teachers carrying? Without and explanation you just seem a little crazy.
By that 'logic', if Secret Service protection is good enough for the POTUS, you should have it too.
We really need to start teaching logic and critical thinking in our public schools.
If you want armed guards for your kids, hire some. Nobody's stopping you.
You seem plenty crazy to me (and none too bright either) if you can't envision a scenario where an armed teacher could be problematic.
Let's do a little 'what if', shall we? Let's say Mrs. Jones, a second grade teacher, wears a gun in a hip holster. First, what message does this send to the kids? It tells them there is danger present every day at school. It tells them the teacher needs to have easy access to deadly force. It tells them the way to solve problems is with violence. It turns them into fearful, violent wackos, in other words. Even in the days of the old West, we didn't arm teachers.
What if one of the kids puts a hand on the pistol handle? Kids are curious. Kids are as fascinated with guns as you are. Kids are often near enough to the teacher to touch her gun handle. A kid could try to grab the gun and pull it out of her holster. The gun could go off.
If in the unlikley event Mrs. Jones needed to use the gun to shoot an armed intruder, kids could get caught in the crossfire. Besides which an armed intruder would have the drop on the teacher and her gun would probably be useless.
If teachers are carrying guns on their persons, we'd need to provide weapons for them, train them, and periodically verify their mental stability. Who's paying for that? They'd need to be willing to carry weapons and be responsible for any accidents that might occur. I don't believe we could find many qualified teachers who would want that burden. Of those who did, I'd question their mental stability right off the bat.
Arming teachers is a very bad idea. Next you'll be saying we should arm the students, right? Think it through.
Sure Kaybee I bet we all seem crazy to you.
First, there are teachers all over the country jumping at the opportunity to take firearms training that is being offered to them by organizations local to their community, so there goes your argument about teachers not wanting that responsibility. These teachers care for the kids and they want to ensure their safety.
The situation that we are facing is very similar to a suicide bomber or a kamikaze pilot of WWII. The only way to deal with that is to use deadly force to stop that type of individual before the can execute their plan.
The idea that kids need to be sheltered is your opinion. Kids know that police carry guns to fight crime. This is not something that will affect a child's psyche and damage them as you suggest.
I have yet to meet a teacher who is so small and frail that they would be unable to prevent a 2nd grader from touching and/or taking the gun from them. So again your ideas fall flat.
Call everyone crazy if you want, but that doesn't make it so. You are simply unable and unwilling to grasp the reins of reality and deal with the situation. You are projecting your mental weakness that "kids will be damaged emotionally, etc." There are kids in gang infested neighborhoods who deal everyday with death and walk to school in fear for years and years. They work hard to get themselves out of that slummy neighborhood and grow up to be productive adults. So again, please stop projecting.
If in fact that would be a problem for some parents or children then we have a simple solution. Communities often have multiple schools. Lets setup a test case scenario. You can have one school in the town with no armed guards/teachers and then you can have a second school that does have armed guards/teachers. Let the parents/students decide which school they would like to attend. Kind of like opening up a free market and allowing individuals to make the choices for themselves. Sounds like a free country to me.
Kaybee,
A few posts back you recognize that violence is part of the human condition. Then you turn around and indicate that it would be terrible for adults of good moral condition, such as teachers, to carry guns around students because it would harm their psyche. Which way is it? Don't kids have to learn eventually that their pets die, parents get older and die, and violent individuals sometimes do attack innocent people. That is a reality they should learn.
Kaybee,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCZP2qo2TbI
Listen to the opinions of the children in regards the teachers carrying weapons in their school in Harrold County, then come back and keep telling us how damaging it is to kids to see guns and know that violence can and does exist.
I would rather have kids learn about it and how to deal with that reality than to be confronted with a massacre in their halls. It is much easier psychologically to deal with safety drills and other practices than it is to see 20 of your friends blown away by a killer who was allowed to walk into the schools with no resistance at all thanks to the liberals like you.
You are scared that a program of teachers carrying guns will work because it will shatter the ridiculous notions that you have developed in your head over the years.
Excuse me, but you called me crazy first, remember?
I stand by everything I wrote. You haven't changed my mind at all. Teachers should not be packing.
Maybe where you live the attitudes of students and teachers are different. I'd never choose to live in the type of community where guns --which are tools of death and destruction--are a standard part of everyday life. We've evolved beyond that kind of culture. At least some of us have.
School is a place for kids to learn to live side by side with others and to settle conflicts without violence or threats. You want to introduce deadly weapons into that environment. It's a recipe for disaster.
Someone said let the school districts pay for the armed guards. Schools cant pay for buses, supplies etc. and someone expects the local taxpayers to pony up for armed guards -no freaking way. I vote for every school levy that comes along because those kids are our future and they deserve the same quality of education I got (and hopefully better typing skills) in the 50's and 60's.
If the NRA is so hot to put armed guards in schools lets do the following: 1) when someone purchases a gun they pay a 50% excise tax on that purchase and that $$ goes to the local schools to fund off duty police to guard the schools, and 2) require every gun owner to annually pay $100 per gun to continue the funding, and 3) apply a 25% excixe tax on ammunition and gun supplies angain going directly to the funding for armed guards. What on have heard from LaPierre and the NRA hardliners is how they would pay for their proposal, nor what would qualify someone for the position of school armed guard.
Kaybee,
I said that is seems a little crazy that you never explain anything or present anything when asked.
Don't try to distort the truth.
TRrust Verify - yes the Constitution is the law of the land - do you know the wordiong of the Second Ammendment - just in case " A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Please note the 3rd word REGULATED, no matter how SCOTUS curently interprets it if the government wanted to regulate gun ownership I would contend that in the future that interpretation may change. I doubt it will ever take peoples guns away (and I am what many would call a liberal) and I would not support something that extreme but universal background checks and gun registration yeah, and I would go so far as to say if you own a gun you have by that action become a memebr of the MILITIA and subject to regulation - I would suggest that our well regulated militia (law abiding gun owners) be required to annualy demonstrate they can safely hadnle their weapons, store their weapons safely away from children and account for every weapon they own, failure in any area (especially the last) would open the gun owner up to confiscation.
I can see the headlines now. Kindergarten Class Caught In Crossfire. Or, how about this one: Thousands Of Dollars In Damage To Buildings & Dozens Killed In Crossfire?
Reacting to the symptom doesn't cure the problem. You need to get to the source of the problem. That often has to do with mental stability and availability of certain weapons when we are discussing the gun violence issue. Another issue is employment. By shipping jobs off shore that would be done by those most likely to be commiting crimes or gang banging the problem gets worse. I heard that idle hands make the devil's work. So one solution is jobs, jobs, jobs.
Dear Wayne La Pierre and the NRA:
I have become convinced that Wayne is the poster boy for those that should have to undergo mental health exams to qualify for carrying a gun. While I realize that a gun substitutes for any real form of manhood for Wayne, he really is getting tiresome.
See, the rest of us don't want to live in an armed camp like a third world country so the NRA nuts can pretend to play cops and robbers.
We have something to say about this too, this is our country, and it is time that the NRA gun lobby understands that they aren't running the show any more.
Oh, and one more thing: those of us with family members who suffer with mental illness would very much appreciate if you would quit trying to turn them into the bogeyman. The mentally ill are more often victims of violence, not victimizing others. Good job trying to deflect the conversation off of guns, but guns is the problem we are talking about this day.
Agreed, NDD. The Conservatives are always harping on about America becoming a "police state", but when it comes to their precious guns, they are all for having armed guards and the police out in full force.......everywhere! NOT IN OUR SCHOOLS!!!!
And then there was the Armed School Guard the other day -
that left his gun in the school bathroom -
where a student found it.
OMG! I had not heard about that! Just thinking about what could have happened if it had wound up in the wrong hands! I am assuming that the student turned it in right away. But of course, Wayne La@!$%# would state that had that guard been trained the NRA way the incident would not have happened. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Or my favorite - the rent-a-cop that stood up and shot his own little friend right off - we don't have to worry about his procreating!
There's nothing "dear" about those people. Don't call them "dear." Merely acknowledging that they're human beings seems like a stretch.
Logic is an enemy, and truth is a menace - R.Serling, 1961
The "statist" refuses to see our freedom is NOT for sale.... at any price
The gun nut thinks freedom comes from clutching a tool of instantaneous death. You don't have the same definition of freedom as I have. Take your freedom and shove it.
So the Forces of Darkness want to de-fund public schools until they must close, leaving the field open to exploitation by their contributors in the 'education-for-profit' field; until now, when they suddenly are open to spending God alone knows how many billions to turn our schools into something more like a medium- security prison.
No more funding for teacher salaries- good God, are we expected to pay them according to the importance of their work or something?- and many schools' physical plant is literally crumbling around the students' ears- well, tough, don't sit under the leaky spot then!- but we now have miraculously discovered some hitherto unknown fountain of wealth that will fund the hiring of hundreds of thousands of security guards.
At least we won't have to worry about the guards themselves. They'll be trained, like police officers and soldiers are trained, and who ever heard of a cop or soldier flipping out and shooting innocents? Why, the very notion is just more Liberal fantasy. Could never happen.
Jesus wept, I'm glad I'm well out of school. Taking to the woods might be a safer option with LaPierre's suggestions being taken seriously.
Hello folks, the constitution is the law of the land. If this administration wants to change the constitution there is a process to do that. Otherwise we don't have to comply with anything else. It would be unconstitutional.
The Constitution gives you the right to own a gun...
The LAW OF THE LAND from our Supreme Court says the type of weapon can be limited.
Back to 7th grade for you.
'Ol Pepe LaPew just don't realize how irrelevant he is to the discussion Betty. But just for Ha Ha's why don't somebody ask 'Ol Pepe where the money's going to come from. The NRA going to add it to their membership dues. Maybe we could have a sponsor a child effort out of them. That Takes care of 4 million of them what about the rest. Maybe 'Ol Pepe will take a cut in pay and do a few more. Oh I forgot 'Ol Pepe is more concerned with living in the style to which he become accustomed to and that don't involved giving one thin dime to keep a Kid Safe.
What else do you expect from an obvious french man right?
Floyd,
You have become a warrior on sensible gun control since the Newtown shooting!
Old Betty is PROUD to stand by your side!
You have a friend...
Feisty. Yesterday Progressive Power Productions posted a new episode of "Darth ROOOOVE!!" AKA. Karl Rove. The GOP/Teabegger "Master of Misinformation and Madness." This episode was posted on Yesterdays Programming Notes. Check it out. It is very funny. Arming everyone with more guns is a very bad idea. Research shows that more guns equals more compications, and can lead to more accidents. Just recently armed guards had no effect on stopping gun violence. The NRA Leadersthip has the GOP/Teabegger Congress financially bought and paid for. The GOP/Teabeggers have no intent on banning Assult Guns, and they are very much against any common sense measures. The Typical Teabegger is just not that well educated, and they are unable to think intellectually. That is fact!
"sensible gun control"
"abortion on demand"
Both ideas promoted by the liberal mind...... both result in more MURDERS
Steve your simple mind amazes me. You are always ready to step on someone else's rights, but don't anyone step on your rights. You say abortion is wrong, well no one like them, but you guys are against Welfare, so who is going to raise these unwanted children? Who is going to pay the Millions to raise them and feed them and pay for health care? Ate you going to? Are your friends going to? HELL NO your not. These young Girls can't. Hell you are the same ones that will not let us teach kids how not to get Pregnant in the first place. If we can stop them from getting Pregnant, we can stop Abortion. But then what would the do gooders do for a living?
Steve44: Some of us think that 'abortion on demand' is a good start, but doesn't go nearly far enough.
No, in some cases, the only thing that will answer is making abortion retroactive and mandatory!
I nominate the bigmouth, sadistic, bloodthirsty, cowardly, pedophilic, coprophiliac draft dodging Shame of Michigan to be first.
Say yer prayers, Ted; here comes Mr. Hoover!
Dear Kaybeetoys and Feisty Redhead:
I respectfully wish you to consider that people who pay taxes to support police forces are paying for others to carry and use guns in their stead. Most people, including myself, do not wish the burden of the responsibility incumbent on one who is carrying a weapon, especially a firearm. Occasionally, it becomes unavoidable, though. Some may beileve that by paying someone else to do the rough work of keeping on the veneers of civilation is being more evolved than the hired hands, but I believe that line of thinking is, at best, hubris. You may beileve you can choose to have nothing to do with guns, but that state of existance is difficult and frought with personal peril. If you do choose to live in a community that declares itself gun-free (truly a noble thought), you have my best wishes and hope for your safety.
Get ready for the "troll invasion" as soon as they can catch up. I know, it's tough finding people to read the articles to them, lol.
tony - not only reading the articles to them but then explaining every word that is longer than 4 letters! It's a tough job!
You actually think they read the article before posting?
/\ Its sad but probably true
Find out what these dudes are smoking, and then pass a law that, whatever it is, it can only be sold via the Post Office. All profits go to decreasing the deficit. Lance Armstrong could be the spokesperson. Within the year, the Post Office will be in the black, and the deficit will be going down. Dude.
I think it's funny how those in charge, looking for answers to these questions, do not look around. Israel had one school shooting many years ago and the first thing they did was place armed guards at all the schools. Poof, not another incident. Police officers are in some US schools now, just not all of them. None of the schools with police officers at them have had this kind of massacre.We all know by now that Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws but the murder rate there is the highest in the country. Gun show loophole needs to be closed, absolutely. Instant check system needs to be upgraded but if everyone had a gun who can have a gun, no one who shouldn't would get to far. Whatever criminal act the criminals decide to do would have a much greater risk of getting shot. Limiting the magazine capacity puts me (and you) at risk of being overcome by mob rule. We live in a Republic, not a Democracy.
Manin - Chicago has had no shootings at schools. OMG - the mob rule idiotcy! And, of course you look under the bed for the boogeyman every night, right?
There was no mention of Chicago having school shootings, It was mention that Chicago has one of the strictest gun laws, but yet the highest murder rate with guns.
Is it painful to be angry all the time?
"Fear breeds anger, anger breeds hatred, hatred feeds the dark side..." - Yoda
I see "seekinglibapproval" is at it again. Check the stats my liberal friend. The places were the crime rate, and gun related crimes, are predominately democratic, and that statistic is a fact. Add to it that these places also have some of the strictest gun controls in the nation, and it begs the question, do you HONESTLY think that more laws are the answer? It would be nice if these criminals followed the laws that are already on the books wouldn't it?
NPCDAN: That's only because the population is so much lower in other areas. Basically, no one wnts to live in the red states any more. Bad education, high divorce rates and obesity.
Weeme: Don't forget the neighbourhood blight that those conditions breed! Lawns unmowed, houses unpainted for decades, '76 Olds 98 up on blocks, unwashed kids running wild in the streets...
... but by God, when them Rooshin paratroopers land like in "Red Dawn", Daddy'll be ready for 'em!
Assuming he's not passed out in front of "Dancing With The Has-Beens" when they invade.
Manin: We will not pay for that. We will not pay for good teachers. Small towns don't even pay for local police. We are broke remember. We can cut back on our Armed forces to pay for police in schools. As to Israel, American's are most likely paying for that. There's an Idle, We can stop aid to Israel to pay for Police in our schools. That will never happen, None of this will ever happen. Stop the Guns from getting into the hands of these sick people in the first place is the only way. If that cut's into the Profits of Gun makers then so be it. They are more important things in life the the Profits of gun makers.
Weenee, yes the population is lower, the crime rate is dramatically lower, people actually know thier neighbors. "Bad education"? You need to look at the graduation rates of some of these urban centers. It's dismal. So much for that theory. "High divorce rates"? That's funny. I seriously doubt that a large majority of children born in these urban centers even know who their biological father even is. More babies = more government money, fact. And obesity is a nationwide epidemic. You see, some of us simply don't like living in large cities. I abhor them because I've lived in a few in my time. And "trotsky", that sounds exactly like Detriot that you're describing, you realize that don't you? I find it mildly amusing that you "urban" dwellers seem to think that having all that "culture" around you makes you a better, and more informed person. It doesn't.
NPCdan,
Stop trying to make excuses for a terrible situation we have in the US and admit we have a problem. The first step in curing an addiction is to admit you have an addiction.OK so you solve the problem by arming the schools, how about when we want to go to the movie or shop, more armed guards? You would make a mockery of the free nation of ours. We would no longer be free but a nation of armed guards and scared people. Other free nations do NOT have this problem because they have sane gun laws and limits on gun ownership. Why would you not be willing to use their country as a way to help get out of this terrble situation we are in. Just go north to Canada and see how it is working, do you want to be a nation that must have guards at every door or people packing guns where ever they go. What kind of world do you want to live in? I can not believe the freedom and liberty gun owners are willing to give up just to own a gun.
If you have an intersection or a bad stretch of highway where there are more than a few fatal car crashes or whatever, the Dept of Transportation steps in and takes measures to try and stop it from happening again. You could come to a conclusion that this may be one and the same thing. No, no one is going to stop you from driving on that road or take your car away, but they may make it safer for everyone. Does that make sense? It does to me. But, really folks, banning certain types of firearms will never get through Congress. Ain't gonna happen, so don't get your hopes up. Not yet anyway. Maybe sometime down the road. The good thing is that rational (and I use that word lightly) people are discussing it, which is much more than we ever had before.
Correlation is not causation you simpleton. Are you saying that because of Chicagos gun laws they have higher gun crime? What about poverty rates? Education levels? Social program funding?
Loisianana has some pretty damn loose gun laws and they have the highest rate of gun deaths in the country.
You are just plain wrong. Stupid wrong in fact.
http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=113&cat=2
Trumpet more idiotic fox news talking points please. Makes you look so informed.
You're using outdated information "dandy", try this one for a more up to date map, and then let me know...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/sep/27/gun-crime-map-statistics
And yes, it's a British publication, and (again) for the record, I don't get my information from any media outlet, as that each and every one of them are left leaning, or right leaning. So let me know when you're getting that "stupid wrong" feeling.
And "mgm", "You would make a mockery of the free nation of ours." Seriously? I'm simply exercising my 1st Amendment right, which I guarenteed by the Constitution, and defended by combat veterans like myself. Try not to hurt yourself when dismounting from your high horse. You can't pick and choose which Constitutional Amendments you want to follow and keep, it simply does not work that way. If you are so enamoured with Canada, I hear it's a fine place to live.
NRA losers
What I find funny after reading this article and most of the comments following it that most anti-gun supporters can only resort to name calling and personal attacks. Why? Do you know how this makes you look? Anyway, thank you to those that actually contributed to a rational discussion.
DumbAss
This madman
we are NOT dealing with rational people who are playing with a full deck here
The mind of a simpleton
STFU
you and others to be morons
Morons
these nitwits
disgusting group of dumbed down idiots
gun substitutes for any real form of manhood for Wayne
NRA nuts can pretend to play cops and robbers.
acknowledging that they're human beings seems like a stretch
it's tough finding people to read the articles to themexplaining every word that is longer than 4 letters! It's a tough job!
OMG - the mob rule idiotcy! And, of course you look under the bed for the boogeyman every night, right?
NRA losers
Logic is an enemy, and truth is a menace - R.Serling, 1961
Name-calling is just part of the demonization by the left. Just as Obama cannot answer the tough questions asked by FOXNews, he chooses to attack them, the liberal mind must lash-out at the opposition.
Facts are ignored, the truth is buried, & freedom dies.
Yep. It's all their fault. No one on the other side ever called a name or tried to say that people who don't want guns in school want kids killed. Nope, never. All innocence and light...lol.
Try "smoke and mirrors" ram. This administration excells in the practice.
So what will the liberal left do about guns? Nothing is what they will or can do about guns. Obama and his Obamanites will have to sit there and take it because they can't do diddly squat about the guns in the USA. 88.8 guns per 100 people in the USA and that was before the "Feinstein - Pelosi" gun rush of 2012. That will be in the history books 100 years from now and the old timers will be talking about it in barber shops.
The government can't collect all the weapons in the USA by confiscation or force people to give up their guns so they will have to live with the gun culture as it stands. Hey, I get it now. Obama will make firearms illegal and that will turn the majority of his political opposition into criminals that can't vote because they are now criminals and he will replace them with illegal Mexicans that will vote for him. Wow, I figured it out. Man O' man, you self righteous, anti-gun white folk will be wishing for a gun when Pancho Villa rolls up in suburbia looking for white women and your money.
Be careful about what you wish for because you might get it.
Little bigoted, don't you think?
weemee,
Maybe a little but that is the world we live in today. I deal with realities not PC fantasy.
Do you honestly think all liberals are unarmed? My 38 special with hollow points and my 410 double barrel SXS with defender shot begs to differ. Anyone breaking into my house will leave in black bag with a tag on their toe.
The stupidity of people like you is that you assume that because liberals support an assault rifle ban that they themselves dont support owning guns. Not true. Banning assault rifles will do nothing to impede my right to bear arms (that you clowns like to quote) and defend my home.
You and your ilk are more of a threat to society than any Al Queda operative. I am in the process of having a buddy print me up a bumper sticker that says "I carry guns to protect me from gun nuts". Should be funny.
No Dandy, I don't think all liberals are not armed. How do you think these last shootings occurred? By liberal democrats with guns. Anyone who leaves in a black bag from your home showed up there wearing one Nancy boy. If you knew anything about guns you would know that semi-auto hunting rifles are much, much more dangerous than little bitty .223 AR-15 weapons but the hunting rifles are owned by responsible Americans. Dandy, (that handle is just precious) big talk from a homo like yourself won't scare the boogyman away, it will take a little guts and know how so don't get your panties in a twist when your boyfriend comes home and slaps you around for acting like a dyke, he likes his girls soft and sweet.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL............... Again your "not tuned-in Your daughter isn`t being required to do anything, States are being ask to consider a proposal being floated by allot of people to place armed guards around schools to attempt to deter this type of behavior. If your really concerned about guns being around schools, and this is a real concern, and everyone who does this should be punished I agree. Your also saying ..........if I understand you correctly, that all school zones should be"GUN FREE" period correct? I agree. All children are precious, and should be protected right? All automatic assault rifles, with multiple clips should be banned for all right ? These are valid concerns, and as President Obama said "its fair as well as common sense". Good, first lets talk about schools, some schools in America have armed guards and they are a deterrent to this stuff, second most, if not all school zones should be Gun Free, regardless, so nobody should be armed like your proposing, so then Obama needs to get the Armed Guards out of the schools attended by his children, after all ALL SCHOOL ZONES should be GUN FREE, and they not are armed, but with automatic weapons! Around children ? His kids are more important than yours? The presence of Guns for anyone sometimes results in violence for everyone correct? Why do Obama and his minions called Secret Service require Assault Guns? They should be on the Battlefield, not the streets of America right? They should`nt have them on the streets of America and nobody should be immune from this nobody period
the Obama kids are required by law to have heavily armed escorts, Secret Service. Also, there were armed guards at Columbine High School and at Virginia Tech there was an entire armed campus police force, lot of good guns on campus did those folks huh?
The sad part of it is that the majority of Americans agree, get rid of assault weapons, high capacity mags and make registration a real registration and force the gun buyer top pay for it yet sadly what the majority wants, we will have no say in it. Bureaucrats will decide for all of us that they will arm teachers and put more guns around our kids. What happens the first time a kid pisses off an armed teacher or rent a cop and the gun gets pulled?
The sad part of it is that the majority of Americans agree, get rid of assault weapons, high capacity mags and make registration a real registration.
That is not true, that is just what anti-gun people are saying is true. I bet that the anti-gun folks would not want to have a nationwide vote up and down on gun control. Obama wants this to go through congress without the input of the American people and only politicians voting.
Just like the majority of Americans supported Romney right? You people are clueless. Get stomped in the election - lose senate and house seats - yet you still think the majority of Americans think like you do?
"Stomped"? 53% to 47% is hardly a stomping my misguided liberal friend, and certainly doesn't constitute a "mandate". And I'm not sure if you followed the recent elections, but the status quo certainly seemed to win over any "hope", "change", and "forward".
Stay clueless my liberal friend!
Robert1960,
Your comments about the cops not helping proves the argument for allowing teachers, professors, and others to carry their own guns. When a madman is 10 feet away shooting at you, a cop who is more than 50 or 100 feet away isn't going to do any good. The proper reaction is using immediately deadly force of your own.
NPC Dan - Stomping is in the eye if the beholder:
In 2000 Bush failed to win the popular vote; in 2004 he got 50.7% of the vote to Kerry 48.5% ( difference of 2.2%)and he claimed that was a mandate.
IMHO (and that is all it is my opinion) the Dems can claim a stomping (and your stats are wrong) Obama got 51.1 and Romney got 47.1 (differnece of 4%) and they aldo picked up seats in both the House and the Senate.
I will agree with one thing you said - and itgoes both right and left - we dont seem to be willing to toss the incumbents - we wouldn't need to talk about term limits if we would as voters be willing to do the hardwork and toss the incumbents.
Since when did ordinary citizens who attend gun shows become "professionals" Feisty.....While I agree that it does make gun owners look bad to have such accidents happen, and lets be honest...they were accidents....That in no way should mean that all gun owners should be a assumed to be irresponsible. And I do have a question....I have been reading these threads about gun control since the shooting in Newtown and have yet to see anyone from the right or left that wants stricter gun laws explain how they think that banning Ar-15's and all the other 150+ guns Feinstein has proposed is going to do anything to lessen gun crime? I mean c'mon.....I don't even want to hazzard a guess at the number of guns on her list are in private hands, let alone the number of High Cap Mags and ammo...I mean really...what affect will it have? Criminals are criminals...they will get guns no matter what.... If the Cartels that are so adept at filling our streets with drugs see a major profit in it...bingo.... guns will flow to our streets....I am not saying that nothing should be tried ...... just saying maybe look at things that will be effective...... Tighten up backround checks.... Ok...I can live with that...universal checks....simply won't work..... again criminals will not obey that law..... so all you do is affect the law abiding....... Ban AR's and other personal defense weapons...after all that was what my full auto select fire weapon was called when I was in the service and now I see DHS has adopted the same .... to what end.... try and dry them up like Feinstein says....LOL.... again...good luck.... I would simply stop shooting my AR'S and AK'S as much, and since I have a fair amount of gunsmithing knowledge...I can keep mine running a long, long time....... try to confiscate them....bad idea..... as was stated above...guns are here to stay in this country....and although all you Dems seem to think that a a "house cleaning" is coming in 2014, I am confident that it will be the Dems looking to save their jobs if any measures like these pass... along with the displeasure the common folk are going to experience when the taxes for obamacare strike next year........ yeah there will be a house cleaning alright....problem is .... the Repubs are going to be doing the cleaning.........
And I wanted to add....One thing and probably the only thing that I have been in agreement with obama on is the comment he made about the reality of gun ownership in urban areas vs. ownership in rural areas....I happen to live in a rural area.....have had a gun in my house every year of my 50 years on this planet.... no one shooting each other...... no one killed as a result of my having guns....in fact to bring back a good ole saying ....my guns have killed less people than Ted Kennedy's Olds did.... LOL that is still a good one..... This to me is nothing but an incremental degradation of my Second Amendment rights....... anyone should be able to see that banning an item that is used in such a small statistic of overall gun crime will have little to no affect on said crime...... this is just a way for the gun grabbers to say...look....we tried these "common sense measures" and they just didn't have the desired affect on crinme....therefore we need to go further...and when that fails...we need to go further........ What I am really going to be watching is the U.N. small arms treaty that obama has promised to support that comes up sometime towards the end of March or April....in reading that I see that any signatory that is unwilling or unable to enforce the provisions of the treaty must allow the U.N to step in to enforce said provisions.....Not likely to pass the Senate since it is clear it violates U.S soveriegnty, but with the leftists in the Senate.... One never knows if the votes cuold be there....That would give obama an out.....
Does anyone here ever remember Wayne LaPierre - or any body at the NRA - rushing to the microphone after Trayvon Martin was shot, recommending that every black teenage boy wearing a hoodie go out and buy a gun to protect themselves from armed neighborhood vigilantes? Me neither.
NRA would never INCITE violence as you are suggesting.
No sir, but these "peaceful" liberals certainly seem to be hell bent on "destroying", and "eliminating" thier collective enemy,
freedom...uh I mean the NRA...You're right. The NRA should just fade away like all the old men that run I, but unfortunately the rich arms dealers, who are their real backers still need their big bucks made off death.
Steve, protecting yourself is not inciting violence. Isn't that why we have weapons at home or on our persons? To protect ourselves? I certainly don't incite violence with mine.
You're argueing with a brick wall "Lee". The liberal take is, "If you own a gun, you're a criminal. If you haven't commited a crime yet, it's only a matter of time." I wonder if the head of Media Matters, and his gun toting "guard" realized that they commited several crimes by transporting a firearm over state lines? Gotta love the hypocracy from the left!
I believe something should be done. However, I own guns and no longer have any children in schools. I did not think that conservatives believe that the federal government should have any input on local schools or taxes. Therefore, I think it is only fair to do two things. If you have a child in school then you pay for the security guards and if your gun is stolen and used in a crime or you leave it out and someone kills or wounds someone with it you are charged as though you had done it. That should appease everyone. Everyone can keep their guns so that they are sure their rights are not tampered with and costs and penalties will ensure more safety and be born by the people who want to keep those rights.
whatever, ban guards in schools, ban scary looking unimportant things on guns, then whine when there is no one to protect your children. Won't punish the people who commit crimes but blame inanimate objects, wow that's scary. I voted for king Obama wish I could take that back, I thought he was the lesser of two evils, guess I was wrong.
Why don't we just return to the days where every male wore a six gun on his side? That's the kind of enviornment that the Republicans want this country to return us to. N.R.A. =Noxious Republican A$$holes....
Maybe you should know.....
"Life is hard: it's harder if you're stupid" - John Wayne
This is the kind of attack that I'm talking about! Was it just too hard for you make a point without resorting to name calling?
Sounds like the old saying, "You can dish it out, but can't take it." applies here.
I think Adam Lanza was obviously mentally impaired, Connecticut is probably one of the states that doesn't share that info with the NCIS check system, there is no other reason that he should have passed the background check.
he did not pass, he was denied when he tried to buy a gun. Those were his prepper Mom's guns that she trained him to shoot and he had access to.
Willbilly. Adam Lanza stole his mom's guns and killed her with them first. She is the real problem here. What kind of a woman would have these kinds of guns in her house, knowing she had a son that is mentally ill. Then taken that same ill son and teaching him how to shoot these Ar 15's and hand guns. She was the one that passed the background check. These Checks need to go one step feather, they need to see if there are any Felons or mentally Ill children or grownups in the house as well. Chances are that if they knew about Adam they wouldn't have let his mom have these guns to start with.
The NRA is preying on its weak mindedmembership minority.
so is the NRA going to pay for these armed guards in schools? Here in Texas Rick Perry cut education by $4 Billion which cost the jobs of almost 10,000 education employees. The idea is to keep guns away from where kids are not put more in the mix. So the first time a kid gets unruly and a teacher or some rent a cop security guard pulls his gun, then what? We here in Dallas have a School police force, you would have to see the competence of these rent a cops to realize you would not want these guys carrying guns at all, esp near your kids.
Besides why the hell does the NRA have better access to our representatives than we do? Think that's BS? Send a letter, call, email or go to their office as I have done and do and you get NO reply, no response but form letters and at election time they keep your info so they can solicit campaign contributions from you but they do not listen to us, we don't matter except to get our vote so they can sit up there in their government job living on lifetime entitlements and doing whatever nets them the most money at the end of the day!
I see how taking military style weapons and high cap magazines and a true registration will cost the US money, really? What about the 13,000 killed by gun in 2011, I suppose those were free to the Tax payers? 13,000!
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THIS IS A GUN FREE ZONE
And then call someone with a gun if there is an emergency.
Police are NOT for the protection of the individual, they are for the safety of the PUBLIC
Big difference in those two.......
I am 100 percent against any gun control. you people need to wake up. for several reason. first how do you think governments take over their people. by disarming them. just like Hitler and others have. second the bible says GOD will return when everyone is under a one world government. well to start with none of the previous bans worked for Columbine or any of the other shooting's so why would it work now. fact it wont. so why take the only deterrent or ability to defend ourselves against these so called weapons of war away from the honest citizen. police will never be able to be their before a crime starts. its the people that have to be able to stop the crime. its your choice be a victim or be a defender. proven that if you give the government an inch they end up taking a mile. so one law ends up leading to another law and so forth. before you know it. you end up having to turn in all your weapons. and a civil war could start. if it does and the government wins the country is disarmed. if it does not the country is disarmed. then before you know it the world ends up under a one rule government. and our LORD returns, we as his people do have the power to prolong that but we must get right with GOD, if nothing else at least know what is written in the bible . and in the Hitler case, remember history will always repeat itself. don't know about you but i would sooner see the grand children and their children grow old. my last question to all you idiot liberals. since automobiles kill more kids and people everyday and every year when you going to start banning them?? and what makes and models??ohh wait let me guess any car painted black. im tired of the liberal media lying about numbers of supporters for gun control. i wanna see an honest coverage by the media as to how many people are murdered or die by anything other than natural causes vs guns and lets see the numbers. problem is that will never happen because most news agencies are to liberal. i think fox news would be the only one willing to do that. they are the most open to both sides. yes i do support the NRA and our 2ND amendment
It has been estimated that the NRA's idea of armed officers in every school would cost $6 billion. We don't have that money, we are deeply in debt. It is only fair to pay for that initiative with a tax on guns.
WE COULD AFFORD THAT...if we stopped sending billions to countrys that hate us..
There are BILLIONS in the White House budget for jobs.... wouldn't this be a GREAT place to hire someone? Our kids get the protection they deserve, a new job is CREATED & Barry could take the credit.
load the schools with guards...im ok with that..
after all,,, obamas kids get armed guards 24-7..why are they any better
DMwT
Obama's kids are required by law to have heavily armed guards at all times.
Load the school with guns? A lot of good that did at Virginia Tech, an entire armed campus police force yet innocent people died. Columbine had two armed security guards on campus, still not a successful outcome.
I can tell you the high school I went to had 2200 kids, the campus was large enough it would take 10 minutes to walk from one side to the next all under one roof, so where would you imagine an armed guard would have to be to do what the NRA is proposing? Besides the armed guard would be a rent a cop and likely not in shape enough to cover that much ground to be of any help. They only have to be certified and trained with a gun, not made to be in shape and capable of anything. Just giving someone a gun does not make them an expert guard, a gun fight and most people would pee their pants trying not to get shot. Who is the guard going to make sure goes home? Himself or a few random kids and teachers?
Oh for the love of good cheese... All President's children have been protected for DECADES. Get over it.
dont mess with texsas...
It's mandated by federal law.
Get over it. The argument is childish.
so his kids are better???
Why not change our nation so we do not have to arm the schools. It is so simple, stop selling guns, buy back those that are out there, and very slowly we will be rid of the damn things. You can check them out at a shooting range to play "lets shoot stuff", check them out to go play " lets kill deer and stuff". When you want to go kill children you can not get a gun, nor kill your Mom to get take hers. You can not go to a gun show because gun shows are outlawed. We as a nation have to decide if we love our children more than guns. So far from these remarks I would say there are those that love their guns more than our freedom to live in this world without fear and violence.
So do I need to go "check out a gun" when someone breaks into my house and tries to rape my wife and kill me? Sounds logical.
Why am I not surprised this level of stupidity comes from someone in Texas.
Do you really not understand the difference between the presidents daughters and your kids? Really?
Nope. His kids are in more danger than yours. Stupid argument.
Oh awesome, looks like the NRA is doubling down on stupidity. Hopefully the GOPuke will double down on the NRA so this can hurt their image even more too!