In the first trip of Obama's second term, the President visited Las Vegas to drum up support for immigration reform, outlining a plan that includes cracking down on employers who hire undocumented workers. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
Updated 3:34 p.m. ET - President Barack Obama hailed the Senate's bipartisan immigration framework at a major speech on that topic this afternoon in Nevada, but threatened to send his own alternative legislation to Capitol Hill if Congress fails to act.
The president embraced of a statement of principles offered Monday by four Democratic and four Republican senators, which would strengthen border security and employment verification in exchange for a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants in the United States.
"The good news is that -- for the first time in many years -- Republicans and Democrats seem ready to tackle this problem together," Obama said in his speech in Las Vegas, according to prepared excerpts.

Jason Reed / Reuters
President Barack Obama arrives in Las Vegas, Jan. 29. Obama arrived in Nevada to deliver remarks on immigration reform.
"And yesterday, a bipartisan group of senators announced their principles for comprehensive immigration reform, which are very much in line with the principles I've proposed and campaigned on for the last few years," the president also said. "At this moment, it looks like there's a genuine desire to get this done soon. And that's very encouraging."
But in a speech in Nevada -- a Southwestern state that has experienced a boom in its Hispanic population -- the president said he refused to allow comprehensive immigration reform "to get bogged down in an endless debate."
"It's important for us to realize that the foundation for bipartisan action is already in place," he said. If lawmakers fail to advance their own proposal, Obama said he would send legislation to Congress based on his own principles "and insist that they vote on it right away."
He said at the top of his speech: "I'm here because the time has come for common-sense, comprehensive immigration reform."
NBC's Miguel Almaguer spoke with the Barajas family who are among the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the United States. They are hopeful that President Obama's immigration plan will change their lives.
The president used Tuesday's speech in Nevada to outline many of those principles, which rest on four pillars: strengthening border security, cracking down on employers who hire undocumented workers, streamlining legal immigration and -- most importantly -- offering undocumented workers an earned path to citizenship.
Those pillars mostly resemble the bipartisan Senate framework unveiled on Monday by lawmakers, which has prompted hopes that Congress would finally be able to advance a comprehensive immigration reform law, a priority that eluded Obama during his first term, and President George W. Bush before him.
The primary sticking point in those fights has been the pathway to citizenship, which conservatives deride as "amnesty" for those who have broken the law. Already, some prominent conservatives have expressed their skepticism of the Senate framework for exactly that reason.
"Yes, they broke the rules," Obama said of those undocumented immigrants. "They crossed the border illegally. Maybe they overstayed their visas. But these 11 million men and women are now here."
President Obama lays out his plan for a sweeping immigration reform at a campaign-style event in Las Vegas. Watch his entire speech.
Republicans in particular had been closely watching Obama's actions for cues as to how the administration might handle immigration, and the emerging Senate deal. Republican lawmakers have openly worried that the president might stake out stark positions and oppose some of the enforcement measures included in the Senate framework, namely the trigger that would only allow a pathway to citizenship once the border enforcement mechanisms had been verified.
"There are a lot of ideas about how best to fix our broken immigration system," said Brendan Buck, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio. "Any solution should be a bipartisan one, and we hope the President is careful not to drag the debate to the left and ultimately disrupt the difficult work that is ahead in the House and Senate."
But Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a rock star to conservatives who's seen as eyeing a run for the GOP presidential nomination in 2016, has taken an active lead in selling this proposal to the right. Rubio has appeared in conservative media to both discourage Obama from opposing enforcement provisions, but also talk up the proposal as the best chance at compromise for Republicans.
"If, in fact, this bill does not have real triggers in there -- in essence, if there's not language in this bill that guarantees that nothing else happens unless these enforcement mechanisms are in place -- then I won't support it," Rubio, a member of the bipartisan gang of eight, told conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh on Tuesday. "But the principles clearly call for that."
But the president generally spoke in broad terms, and did not draw any bright lines as it relates to the Senate proposal.
"I believe we are finally at a moment where comprehensive immigration reform is finally within our grasp," he said.


That was quite an interview Marco "fork tongued" Rubio gave to King Limpballs... lol
The idea of him being a "rising rock star" of the right is downright hillarious, Marco is nothing more than their "token Hispanic" much like Michael Steele was their go to "black" guy until he started making some sense.
At which point, they tossed Michael to the curb and sped away...
I still want to see his birth certificate! lol
But Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a rock star to conservatives who's seen as eyeing a run for the GOP presidential nomination in 2016, has taken an active lead in selling this proposal to the right.
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Ah, I get it now...Senator Obama called a 'rock star', he's an unserious candidate for the Presidency and is Mr. Glitz n Glam. Senator Rubio called a 'rock star', he's Presidential material from birth.
Thanks.
Wait until the GOP realizes that this bi-partisan immigration reform proposal is nearly identical to what President Obama proposed in a 2011 speech. There's plenty of time for them to do a big back flip.
"If, in fact, this bill does not have real triggers in there -- in essence, if there's not language in this bill that guarantees that nothing else happens unless these enforcement mechanisms are in place -- then I won't support it," Rubio, a member of the bipartisan gang of eight, told conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh on Tuesday. "But the principles clearly call for that."
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So what, we pay these guys $150/$200k annually to write legislation that governs the Country by laying out a landscape that says '...issue 'X' is ruining everything and must be fixed now...' but then lays out a framework/legislation that says but if 'Y' doesn't happen, then we do absolutely nothing and leave the landscape that is ruining everything completely the way it is? Nice.
Love these all or nothing "legislators".
I caught some of Limpball just now, and I declare Rush Limpball a hateful, vile piece of garbage!
Anyone who would be on this trashy heap of show can never be elected President of the United States.
We have to remember, conservatives can not elect a so called conservative as President, because they don't have the numbers. Today, you must be a moderate, and be able to get moderate votes.
Many think that conservatism is dying, and I have to agree!!!
I suggest you go back in time a bit and you will discover that Obama's "speech" and subsequent "plan" was a knock off of Rubio's proposal made only days prior to Obama's speech. Oh how soon you forget. Rubio took a lot of flack from GOP'ers for that plan and Obama parroted it.
Fiesty, everything you say is followed by lol. Most people on this site find what you spew to be laughable. Get a JOB you communist slunt! lmmfaoaFRcs.
From the article above:
Hmmm.
I wonder if Rubio will appear on The Rachel Maddow Show next.
Remember the days when there wasn’t any “Liberal” or “Conservative” media.
There was just the news.
Walter Cronkite is rolling in his grave.
Salud
President Obama is a partisan jerk. He will not let any plan go through without trying to start a GOP bashing conversation. I am curious just what he will say that he can't live without and threaten a veto.
Tomas - Even democrats are asking Obama to not get in the way. I don't think Rubio was say no to Rachel Madcow. He'd probably put her in her place.
Up Yours
Bill,
We the majority here on this site prefer Feisty to any right wing hate talking hack!!!
Sling it communist! hahahahahaha. You left wing hate talking hack!
Billy: you are one hate filled
dudewhatever. Talk to your vicar she might help.Take a hike exito
JH-479998
Thanks for the laugh.
Your signature fits you perfectly.
All you need now is an avatar of Rush clubbing a baby seal and your done.
Salud
Talk to, that's false. President Obama's speech was in March, 2011; it came after the DREAM Act failed in the 2010 lame-duck session. Marco Rubio didn't propose any immigration plan until the summer of 2012 when it became quite clear that GOPers were losing the Latino vote by a huge margin. It was then that Rubio presented some half-baked version of the DREAM Act that was anything but a dream because there was no path to citizenship; even his own party rejected it. Don't forget, Talk, until Jan 2011, Rubio wasn't even in the US Senate. He won his Senate seat by kissing up to the Tea Party who was and is anything but fans of immigration reform so Rubio wouldn't have dared offer immigration reform as part of his campaign.
The main object of conservatives thinking is, that Marco Rubio will be their great Hispanic hope to take them to the WH........that will never happen.
Marco Rubio is a callow fellow, who is already in over his head. Some in the media are pushing him to the fore, but he is a Tea Partier through and through and has little to recommend him intellectually as was evident during the Foreign Relations committee last week. During his time in the Fl legislature he showed a great willingness to follow the party line and has less than a stellar record from that venture.
To finally get immigration reform done there will have to be many compromises made. It's likely that no one will be completely satisfied with the outcome. But it's high time to suck it up on both sides and get it done.
Rubio wants credit? I personally don't care who gets credit for immigration reform. But the GOP is going to have to stop railroading every single initiative that Obama starts and do some positive things for this country. Can you do that, GOPers?
FORWARD!!
I stand corrected yet, Obama's amnesty (ok everybody gets a visa) plan WAS a knock off of Rubio's proposal of the same nature.
kaybeetoys - what's positive to some might not be positive to others.
Job - do you really support Feisty? She rarely ever actually says anything of substance (despite her post amounts) and clearly has some connection to this site given how she is always the first poster.
JH & Bill o Rights - do you guys ever tire of just looking foolish and totaly hate-filled? You're honestly pathetic!
Feisty - and yet another stalker for you! You must be sooooo happy! LOL
Thanks Job1, Seeking & exitO!
Best to ignore the serial re-regger, Warden Tyler & Sheriff Sally will catch up to him eventually! ;o)
One more think Talk To, President Obama has proposed these immigration reforms since he began his 2008 campaign so there is no way that he "stole" them from an unknown Florida state Congressman. Perhaps you have forgotten the televised Latino forum during 2012 (when Mitt appeared in brown face either before or after Pres Obama) in which the host/moderator expressed the frustration of the Latino community because President Obama had not kept his 2008 campaign promise to reform immigration?
We're screwed folks. So grab your ankles and kiss your azz goodbye.
A nation without borders is not a nation.
I know it's getting hard to remember, but this is how Congress IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. The President issued his preference (the DREAM Act), though that step is optional. Some members of Congress got their heads together across party lines and figured out what they could probably agree on. Now committees in each house will put down the specifics in a bill. Assuming both chambers can get something passed they'll get together later in conference committee and hammer out their differences.
Notice the President doesn't get to vote on this? Notice that he doesn't actually write the legislation? Notice how it's up to Congress to actually pass the thing? Sure, he'll sign or veto when done, but until then it's the job of Congress.
Somehow in spite of all this President Obama is simultaneously inneffective and dictatorial, a veritable strongman pushover who gets rolled every time he steamrolls the opposition.
It's going to be very interesting to see how Conservatives manage to blame this whole thing on Barack Obama while they take credit with Hispanics.
It is good of the President to embrace the Bush bi-partisan immigration plan of 2007. That one failed because many Republicans were against it and many unions did not want the cheap labor to enter the workforce. I do give the President credit though because he did vote for that Bush plan
If Republicans don't start embracing everything President Obama puts on his desk, than they will become history, This President was elected by the American people and he is the voice of the majority !!!
This message was approve by the American people !!!
Hillary 2016 and a Castro brother
From the article above:
"Nevada -- a Southwestern border state"
Nevada has no border with Mexico. It is bordered by California, Arizona, Utah, Idaho and Oregon.
aworldofhurt
Tell that to the Native Americans.
Salud
Ooooooooooo Fisty. Is that a threat. You ignorant communist slunt! Warden and Sheriff. Yikes. :o}} lmmfaoaFRcs.
Wait until Democrats realize this immigration proposal being pushed by Obama is almost identical to the plan pushed by George W Bush back in 2007. Funny that Obama actually used Bush to try and give credibility to his proposal. Of course the poster boy for the immigration mess is Ted Kennedy, who more then once claimed passing a bill would be the last time reforms would be needed. So temper your enthusiasm, this is nothing but amnesty for votes and tax revenue.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Please allow me to say it.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
Salud
Job1
you are just declaring this today ?!?!
Rush is nothing more than a media whore who will say anything to make $$$. He's an opportunist. But it's the people who listen to him are the ones I don't understand. Why would you in your right ming believe in anything Rush says?
LOL, a "communist slunt" must be some new right-wing term. Wonder if Bill-O's mother knows he's on the computer again or maybe this is the hour for inmates to have computer privileges.
Sorry, Feisty, my dear friend, now I'll stop feeding the troll. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!
Talk to the, perhaps then you'd care to explain why the last four years conservatives have attacked President Obama for his "amnesty" plan, his plan to grant green cards to those already here. Rubio is the one who stole the idea.
Victoria - I'm in! Just not Fidel!
Bill O Rights 13
I'm pretty sure it is because that's what happens to every useless rereg coward who keeps registering multiple accounts because: (1)has no ballz to post under one name, (2)wants to make it look like a "crowd" or (3)keeps getting banned for breaking the rules.
Rightwing heads will be exploding all across the country …
On or near Tax Day (April 15th), as reported by Politico.com (01/29/2013) , we will see the House make a Motion to Dismiss the Contempt of Congress charges against Eric Holder related to his refusal to comply with Congressional request for additional documentation related to Fast and Furious hearings.
Yes, now that we have so many cows in the barn that came in the back door, lets make sure that the back door is closed before we go clear the trash away from the front door, so we can bring in more cattle through the front door. And if you think any farm boy wants to try to scoot the cows back out the back door just so they can wait outside until the front door is cleared, you are just being silly. Want to talk about what is fair? Let's find out who blocked the front door in the first place. But that would be playing the blame game, eh?
murphyqi
before you point out who one should support or not, make sure your post has something, anything of substance...
I want all of my tax dollars that were spent for illegal immigrant's benefit, ie education, healthcare, crime costs, etc, to be refunded back to me.
This money was basically stolen from me and I want it back.
Actually, Rick, Democrats don't care if Obama's proposal is identical to the one Dubbya proposed. Dubbya didn't get it done, so at the end of the day, Dubbya doesn't get credit for passing immigration reform, now does he?
Obama has been completely open and upfront about his proposal and has given credit to Dubbya where credit is due. Did you hear Obama's speech today?
Are you one of those tighty righties who doesn't want anything positive for our country to come out of Obama's administration?
Sorry, pal, but plenty of progress has already been made.
Get on the boat and row with us. Or sit down and STFU.
jw101
call the police and report the crime
John B, exactly, well said.
That bi-partisan proposal is how Congress and the President had always accomplished reforms or new legislation. That is until Jan 20, 2009, when the GOP planned their obstruction, dug in their heels and refused to participate in governing. Since their "make him a one-term president" plan failed miserably, they now have two choices--behave as adults elected to do the work of the people, compromise and get something done; or not. The "or not" is not a viable option IF the GOP has any hope for 2016.
"But in a speech in Nevada -- a Southwestern border state that has experienced a boom in its Hispanic population -- the president said he refused to allow comprehensive immigration reform "to get bogged down in an endless debate."
Since when is Nevada a border state? All it borders is other states! I think there may be a journalist that needs to take a geography class!
Marco Rubio has gone as far as he's going to go in politics. Hillary and Joaquin Castro 2016 or Julian Castro.
jw101
I feel the same way about Bush's wars, tax cuts for the wealthy, and Medicare Part D.
Not to mention all the money from wages not keeping up with inflation since the '70s, and the pilfering of Pension funds, and all the money lost in IRA's and 401 K's after the stock market crash from the Bush polices.
Salud
Marcoooooo Rubiooooo being a Tea Bag rock star is turning Florida into a little Cuba and trying to make Spanish the language of Florida, this is getting very scary !!!
June 2012 - For the past three months, Rubio has been trying to craft a bill that would give legal residency to young immigrants who were brought to the United States illegally by their parents.
But on Friday, Obama essentially turned Rubio’s undrafted proposal into an executive rule made by his administration. Rubio and other Republicans say Obama overstepped his bounds.
In reference to what's being drawn up as a framework for immigration reform, a little common sense and bipartisan work is what's been needed for a long time. If this can get worked out, with the same approach in congress, then there's room for celebration (unless I faint first). It means our elected officials are taking a more realistic look at our immigration issues rather than knee-jerk reactions to appease their bases.
Dennis, OH, definitely, expect heads to explode and hair on fire. Of course, that won't stop them from repeating the lies because truth and facts are disposable to the right. GOP fools, they didn't have anything to begin with; found Holder in contempt of NOTHING. Issa and his witch-hunting pals failed to call any of the people involved to testify, etc etc etc; the investigation found Holder had no involvement, Holder was the one who stopped the program as soon as he found out about it.
What part of illegal is it that Barry doesn't understand? All illegals need to be picked up and deported, all of them and send their anchor babies with them. No Amnesty!
Exactly right, murphyqi. There is no policy--never has been and never will be-- that benefits 100% of the people in this country.
So we need to grow up and accept that. We need to understand and admit that we personally, you and I, might have to make some sacrificies for the common good. Others will, in turn, make sacrifices that benefit us but not them. It's called living in a civilized society.
This is not a perfect country and it never will be, but it's a damn sight better than almost anywhere else on earth, and it's our job to keep it that way.
Marco wants to secede and become part of Cuba. Let him back into Cuba please.
I liked what I heard in Obama's words -- I just hope he is truly sincere and not working behind the scenes to cave any bipartisanship. Bipartisanship is what he asked for and that is what he is getting. A few slugs on here are trying to thwart and besmirch Rubio but that is childish and pathetic. Maybe since one of them cares so much (first poster), maybe she should walk down certain streets at night where gun and drug violence occurs and try to help out there -- PLEASE!!!!!
It will be interesting to see if there will be a data bank of legal immigrants established so companies can do a quick check on hiring statuses. This would be a great precursor in checking for legal voting status as well and should be shared with the states each election.
"All illegals need to be picked up and deported, all of them and send their anchor babies with them. No Amnesty!"
Great soundbite. But since we cannot round up our 10 most wanted, how are we going to round up somewhere between 13 and 20 million people, most of whom came here during the Bush administration?
President Obama didn't "overstep" his bounds by using his Constitutional Executive Order authority; republicans yell that and throw temper tantrums everytime he does something by E.O. Rubio may have been crafting a plan but his plan did not allow a pathway to citizenship for DREAMers; it fact, his initial plan had little of value in it regarding real reform and his own party rejected it. He, like the other Dem and GOP senators, had some good ideas. It is great that both sides are finding the good and working together. As in health care and other legislation debated, discussed and tried over many years, there are many ideas from both sides that keep returning to the table. President Bush wanted immigration reform and Democrats were on board with it....except by the time he got around to proposing it, the radical right had a strangle-hold on the GOP.
Yep, FLYeisty.....it wouldn't be bad to see Mr. Obama's school records, including his Student Loan documentation. What does he have to lose ? Another attempt to run himself in 2016 since Mrs. Clinton has been thrown under the bus.
Back to the article....
This "legislation" is nothing more than what is ALREADY on the Federal books for immigration.
However, if the President does not LIKE what these Congressional representatives propose, then he will use just use the "My way or the highway" approach and blame the Republicans.
Bottom line: ENFORCE existing Federal Immigration Laws !!!!
Jody -- absolutely wrong. Then Sen. Obama voted to kill the immigration reform bill that looks strangely very similar to what is being proposed now. The senator and now president is a snake in the grass liar.
Jody,
The Executive Order is only for 2 years when they have to reapply, so I am not sure but I do not think there is a quick path to citizenship there. On the Bush plan the GOP was against it but also the unions were against it because they did not want cheap labor coming into the country.
Jerry l(numbers) -- Why do you think the unions support it now?
Unfortunantly it will take at least 20 more reforms to get to a reform that will really be enforced.
Fire Crotch--Your posts lack substance so that is why I have never commented to you, but today I am gonna do it. Obama spent millions in taxpayers dollars today flying to Vegas and could have got the same results if he kept his arse in DC, but he is back out on the campaign (4 year extended vacation) road again because he feels Hillarious racked up more frequent flier miles than he did. As for Mr. Rubio, he understands immigration because he and his family have been honest about it unlike the Obama clan (auntie and uncle from Nigeria who were both here illegally). Mr. Rubio and other republicans and democrats took the reins; the Democratic Latino Caucus told Obama to sit his arse down in DC and stay out of it; and Obama is pizznit so he is on his revenge tour!
Just send the ILLEGALS back where they came from.
Do you really think they will come forward if they have to pay a fine and back taxes? How are you going to find out what their back taxes are? Maybe from their W2
HA HA HA HA HA
Rubio has delusions of grandeur.
Governor Christie will be the Republican nominee in 2016.
Salud
King Obama you said you would not pay veterans and elderly benefits to get what you wanted in regard to the countries finances. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM VETERANS AND OLD PEOPLE TO GET WHAT YOU WANT IN REGARDS TO ILLEGALS? You do realize that the elderly and veterans have served this country don't you, please take care of current American citizens first.
Ben,
I do not know if they support it now because they have always been against an expanded guest worker program.
We promise to do what we promised to do 30 years ago when Reagan was President. We plan on keeping on these same sweeping Immigration Reforms...
Could someone pass me the fly swatter?
Somehow a confused, angry mosquito managed to sneak her way in... lol
Be gone... pest!
Where on Obama's list of things to do, does the economy fall? He has tackled gay rights and immigration, which are important, but are they really more important than the economy?
"....unless these enforcement mechanisms are in place -- then I won't support it," Rubio said. Yeah, and I'll respect you in the morning.
Feisty - I think a can of Raid would be better - just drop them in their tracks.
Ido - you post the same idiotcy daily. The stupidity about his school records is just that - stupidity. The rest of your post, as usual, is blatant nonsense. Can't you write anything with even a modicum of intelligence? Oh right, that would be NO!
GTR5
it is easy to judge THESE PEOPLE, isn't it? But I'll bet that if you had to provide for your family and the only way to feed your kids was crossing the border (while leaving everything you know behind) and living somewhere illegally while picking fruit for few bucks an hour, YOU WOULD DO EXACTLY THAT.
If you tell me you would not, you are either a liar or you don't give sweet sh*t about your family.
Fire Crotch--you have proven my point.
Immigration Reform is a joke !
There already are enough Laws to enforce that clearly have been Ignored By Obama* and Napolitano.
Reform is a Joke and a Waste of time.
This all sounds familiar, those of you young libs that cannot see past 2000 please review the immigration act of 1986. This was the dems idea that would take care of the immigration problem and secure the border if we would only pass this bill!
The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3359, enacted November 6, 1986, also Simpson-Mazzoli Act, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law.
In brief the act:[1]
There were only 3 million at that time, 27 years later we are talking about 30 million. What will the number be the next time congress will deal with illegals for the last time?
You that blindly support the democrats and their commitment to secure this country, when will you learn they are only out to secure their own power? They couldn't care less about your security or future! Wake Up!!!!
thinkstraight-306257
show me where he said that. PLEASE SHOW ME. You heard that on Fox News, I'll bet. Holy Jeezus, you guys are good at one thing: spreading propaganda and paranoia.
Going back in time, Then - Senator Obama voted in favor of Bush's 2007 immigration legislation, it was the Republicans that killed that bill !!!
Ms. Redhead-
There are certainly alot of re-tread flies that need swatting.
Apparently, they are attracted by their own stinky stench.
Salud
think,
That is not what he said.
He said that if the debt ceiling were not increased, those benefits might be DELAYED.
It would be a cash flow problem.
you libtards are so ignorant and blind.. it's too sad to be funny .. will you ever stop drinking the koolaid?
at least the dumbocrats are realizing it's not as simple as "their way or the highway" mentality and are starting to compromise a little .. hopefully we can move forward now
If you say so... lol
Love,
Fire Crotch
Tomas,
They sure know how to stink this place up! ;o)
Now I have some amateur troll humping by ankle thinking she is insulting me by referring to me as; "Feisty Crotch". LMFAO
I hate it when the RWNJ's send in their "B" team!
Salud!
My problem with immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship for illegals, is it puts people who broke the law ahead of people that are sitting home, and doing it correctly, so they can come here. I would like for one of you liberals to explain just what makes that right.
Spencer,
Under their proposal, undocumented immigrants would be allowed to register with the government, pay a fine, and then be given probationary legal status allowing them to work.
They would have to "go to the end of the line" and apply for permanent status.
SeaSkip,
He also tried adding amendments that would have killed it but they were voted down. Please also note that many Republicans were against it but so were the unions because of the guest worker program.
It's official. The Senate has confirmed John Kerry as Secretary of State!
Allowing them to work, and stay in the US while people that didn't break the law sit home in their countries waiting for a chance.
It may take them longer to get citizenship, but if they're not deported, they're being given an advantage over the family that is staying in their home country working to come here legally.
Token hispanic? Nice racist comment Feisty.
So typical of the left wing nut jobs to speak out of the other side of your mouth.
Let's not forget the KKK was formed by Democrats. Robert Byrd was a shining example of how deceitful they really are.
Obama the most devided and partisan President in history can wait to feed his ego , pretending he is leading an immigration reform effort. Obama stay away from congress , they don't need you , they are doing fine. Obama never cross party lines to find common ground , they don't need yoy , let them alone, hide somewhere until they finish their job.
spencer,
That simply is NOT their plan.
When a person applies they go to the end of the line regardless if they live here or not.
My great grandparents came here from Europe and applied for citizenship while living and working right here in the USA … that is the norm.
and once again the economy and jobs are ignored....all this is is smoke and mirrors for a failed administration.
doyouhaveaclue - Have you been to California or Arizona lately? You could say that Nevada is a border state if you've seen much of California or Arizona.
like the deficit, nothing is going to happen here. the illigals will keep coming here and taking our jobs, and gettin' all the free @!$%#, and the hard working american will just suffer more.
Any agreement, whatsoever, must bring an end to "anchor babies"...no longer can citizenship be given to those born in America to illegal immigrants...as well as those who travel here on a visa with the intention of giving birth while here on that visa....this point should be made non-negotiable.
A recent report in California cited "homes" especially setup for well to do Asians who traveled here, on a legal visa, for the express purpose of giving birth here therefore establishing American citizenship for the child...this has to end.
This policy would be in keeping with most countries in Europe (countries often presented by the left as the guiding light for social policy)....and if it takes a constitutional amendment so be it.
Also this is the last time a path for citizenship for those in the country illegally is created...IT WILL NEVER BE DONE AGAIN....any entering the country illegally after it's implementation date CAN NEVER BECOME A CITIZEN....No path to citizenship without these changes!
When will all of you learn to leave Feisty alone. She gets paid by this media site and thinks that Obama is God. I usually laugh when i see her posts cause she always shows her stupidity. I also love how all of you liberals join together and have no idea what your talking about. I guess its ok to be a racist as long as you are a liberal.
bayllie:
Well good for you, you have finally surpassed Feisty Redbutt by posting more vapid, substance-lacking posts than she (he?) Quite an accomplishment given Feisty's enormous volume of pap postings. The two of you must be locked in a contest to see who can post the most and say the dumbest things.
---and the winner is--- STUPIDITY
---and the loser is--- THIS SITE !
"I'm here because the time has come for common-sense, comprehensive immigration reform."
And his 'common sense' amnesty doesn't include (according to the GAO) working on capturing and returning home the other 40% of the illegals crossing the border currently.
His plan is strictly for those currently in the country, but does nothing about actually solving the problem (closing our border).
Stop trying to fix the symptoms, fix the damn problems! It's the same as the war on women/education/drugs/poverty/(insert noun) and every other liberal war out there.
Commisaar Obama is always talking compromise, but the first thing out of his arrogant mouth when the Senate presents him with a really workable bipartisan is that he has his own ideas and if they don't do it his way it ain't gonna get done. Egomaniac SOB!
Kenn,
Then you will have to change the 14th amendment of the Constitution which is different than passing legislation.
Kenn,
They cannot make any change that does away with anchor babies.
That would take a Constitutional Amendment.
More comments from the LIVs (less informed voters) Obama kool-aid drinker. Obama as always stay absent there is no Obama vote , nothing , nada , zero, in the (Cloture )Bill S-1348 Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007.You libis and LIVs can't wait to lie for your master.
For the President to show support for this bipartisan Bill now will only cause the right wing nuts to find something wrong with it! I hate the right because they are always wrong!
Classic stupid comment from a racist ignorant liberal. Get lost @$$ol
Off topic but, as usual, the ignorant gun lovers show how lowlife they truly are:
Neil Heslin, the father of a 6-year-old boy who was slain in the Sandy Hook massacre in Newtown, Conn., on Dec. 14, stoically faced down pro-gun activists last night.
More than 1,000 people attended a hearing before the Gun Violence Prevention Working Group at the Legislative Office Building in Hartford on Monday to share their views on gun control, USA Today reported. Among them was Heslin, who held a large framed picture of himself and his son Jesse as he urged officials to consider strengthening gun laws in Connecticut.
But as he gave his emotional testimony, pleading with lawmakers to improve mental health options and to ban assault weapons like the one Adam Lanza used to murder his child and 25 other people, his speech was interrupted by dozens of audience members, The Connecticut Post reported.
“I still can't see why any civilian, anybody in this room in fact, needs weapons of that sort. You're not going to use them for hunting, even for home protection," Heslin said.
Pro-gun activists responded by calling out: "Second Amendment!"
Undeterred, Heslin continued. "There are a lot of things that should be changed to prevent what happened."
Heslin's son, Jesse McCord Lewis, was described by friends as a happy child, The Post reported. A "little cowboy," Jesse reportedly liked to play with the fake horses at a local Western-themed restaurant. After he was shot and killed by Lanza, a line of police officers on horseback joined the motorcade at the boy's funeral.
"He was a boy that loved life. Lived it to the fullest…He was my son, he was my buddy, he was my best friend." Heslin said.
What a filthy group of perverts!
I am actually a little surprised at these developments. It will be interesting to see what they hash out. It appears the gang of 8 are all on board. Enforcement triggers will be difficult for the Democrats and if they ever gain the House back will probably just ignore them as they did in '86.
We'll have to wait and see.
Hey Congress,you represent your voters,right? Well,your voters would like the new "Americans" TO WORK 10 YEARS BEFORE THEY CAN CLAIM THEIR "ENTITLEMENTS". How about it? We will be watching !!
Fat Fiestyredhead must work for the white house, it impossible to always be first without some kind of special treatment, Im sure they pay her in bon bons and honey boo boo dvds.
stopfreeloaders - deflecting again, I see!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!
So, our Evolver-in-Chief, Barrack Hussein, boogies down to VIVA LAS VEGAS to talk about something we all knew about yesterday that Congress told us about in Washington.
WHERE OUR BUFFOON EL-PRESIDENTE SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HIS MESSAGE!!!!!!
Of course Barrack had to waste a couple million dollars jet-setting himself to the other side of the continent. Of course this is OK as our economy still sputters along the bottom of the pool.
Symbolism over substance is what this Imposter-in-Chief lives on. Today the Liberal/Progressive unwashed masses were treated to his usual heaped on blathering while saying nothing of substance.
Somebody should tell Barrack they're called "illegal aliens".
Enough of this political correctness nonsense. A criminal is a criminal no matter how much lipstick you try to put on it.
Job1 said inpart:
And you aren't displaying your hatred? It shrieks loud and clear.
Typical libbies like fisty and the gang sit by their pc's to be the first to post- as if this furthers some external agenda. It occurs that there is no agenda- no awards to win here.
This is just a news site for people to come and bittch about everything and sling arrows at others for what they post/say. Aint it fun!
I see Feisty Red is a fan of Rush . . . seems like you watched the interview too.
What part about the law does Obama not understand . . . ???? He likes to jump into the quick of things before checking to see if he has the power to do so doesn't he . . . He has overstepped Congress more times than any president has in our history . . . He just keeps doing it and then his clowns file Appeals . . . maybe he needs to go back to school and study Constitutional Law before he does another stupid blunder.
YES BUT . . . WE NOW HAVE 11 MILLION UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS!!!! & A BIGGER WELFARE BILL TO PAY . . . THANK YOU MR HOPE!!! OR WAS THAT THE GREAT BIG DOPE!!
I'll bet that if I couldn't afford to feed a family - I wouldn't have babies.
In exchange? What are they talking about? Exchange? Who is writing our laws, the illegals? Somebody got the cart in front of the horse, our representatives write our laws, if you want to be in our country, you comply with our laws. There is nothing to exchange.
bayllie,
If you can't feed em, don't breed em!
I'm just guessing that all of you in favor, are in favor of the borders fully secured before they give out anything to authorize people being here illegally/undocumented?
Once this bill is passed and done, we won't be revisiting this in another 10-20 years, correct?
I'm fine with it. I want it done. Once it is done, I feel if your here illegally after the fact, you are going to be shipped on back to your country with or without your kids who may have come with you or born here. If they were born here, I offer that you better have legal relatives here in the US to take care of them without any taxpayer funding whatsoever.
This continueing altering of this immigration law and that immigration has to stop NOW.! Go for it
Jody, Iowa
"President Obama didn't "overstep" his bounds by using his Constitutional Executive Order authority; republicans yell that and throw temper tantrums everytime he does something by E.O."
You can relax Jody, they really aren't reacting to the duly elected President of their United States when they're rolling around in their own waste flailing like chimps on fire... What they mean is that uppity Negro is giving orders again!! They're just ignorant racist trash and they know it. Their time came and went and they failed to outgrow their romantic familial memories of the agrarian south, among other hyper-religiostic enclaves where these "good christians" dwell.
Gobs o' 'merkins, no Americans.
On a lighter note... Someone named Barb210 (probable weight) called another female "fire crotch" today. Forgive me for suggesting this to you "boys" that feel the need to be jealous and fearful of the Feisty redhead routinely here just because your wormy knob-gobblers... But I think this Barb behemoth might drain all your beer money with her 900 number if you don't get off your knees and back up on your toes.
Fiesty Dickhead in somedump,IL, run into your closet and scream your message before you post. If it makes sense to you afterwards, please post. If it doesn't make sense, write it down then eat the paper you wrote it on. As patient as I democratically can be, I have yet to read any post of yours that goes beyond childish name calling or insulting. Please logoff forever.
That's funny chick binder, I was thinking the exact same thing! lol
Big Bad Barbie the rookie troll!
Sorry little buddy but I'm not going anywhere!
To much fun watching you and your ilk squirm in your impotent rage! ;o)
This whole dog and pony show is an insult to the millions of people who spent the time and money to legally immigrate to the U.S.A.
We see this cave-in every 20 years or so and the results are always the same. It is nothing more than a political power grab for the Hispanic vote. Once more the politicians will sell America's Birthright rather than simply applying the existing laws in a consistent fashion. There has been a legal process in place for many years for people to lawfully immigrate here, but it is so much easier to just sneak in and wait for the next political vote grab.
My wife is a legal immigrant from the Philippines and she would love to have some of her relatives come here too. They all speak English and have college educations. We have one medical doctor, two R.N's, two civil engineers, one electrical engineer, two mechanical engineers, four teachers, a chemist and two IT managers in the family. Of course the Pacific Ocean is a little harder to swim than the Rio Grande so they will have to wait their turn like all the other good, law abiding people who want to come here. Instead we get a horde of poorly educated, minimum wage illegals which will continue to drain resources that are already strained by the poor economy. A truly brilliant solution!
If I were one of the unemployed American Citizens out there looking for work, this would truly make me go ballistic! What ever happened to taking care of your own people first. Then you can look at immigrant candidates that will actually benefit the country rather than use up resources.
Feisty - my guess is Barb is some 400 lb guy who can't get out of the chair in Mom's basement. Either that or he's related to Mr. Righteous!
"Yes, I broke the rules, I violated the Constitution, I even lied to everyone on both sides of the aisle. But these 11 million men and women are now here. And with their help, I can complete my take-over of the United States." - B.Obama
Broke the rules??? Rules are for games, they broke the LAW!!!At what cost to the American tax payer is this bill going to be? I'm all for LEGAL immigration, and those laws need to be streamlined, but I oppose any law giving these criminal a free pass when there are thousands of people waiting to immigrate LEGALLY! Obozo will take credit for getting it done anyway. Now, lets say some islamic terrorist comes across our border and sets of a dirty bomb,(and it would be very easy to do) he'll blame the republicans for that. Oh yes, Fiesty, as Dan Ackriod used to say "You stupid s lut" shut up!
Steve446003 - feel better 'cause I gotta tell you all you proved is how totally dumb you are!
Let me get this straight Fiesty,Job1,and the rest of you that think this is a good idea--you like the idea of letting Illegal Aliens come in and get amnesty,but your against law abiding U.S. citizens owning guns?I hope ya'll are apart of the generation on the way out and not the new generation being born today and in the last 20 yrs.If you are a part of the new i'll ask you this,do you believe there should be a border and explain?Do you believe that everyone that has done something illegal should be let out of prison?Please giv me your definition of ILLEGAL.Thx will wait for your reply
OBAMA: Amnesty for all my fellow bloodsucking illegal aliens is finally within reach.
Andy Blackwood
isn't breeding the Republican way???
Job1
At last look, it was 57 to 42. What majority?
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL---I was waiting for some common sense to come from the conversation but it is apparent your drugs have kicked in. There is absolutely no common sense in any of your posts. I think your euphoria has overpowered your brain and there is little room for the oxygen needed to keep it alive. I am glad you are not going to log off because I just have to wait till it all explodes in your face. No anger, just waiting for charma to kick in.
It is perfectly clear that most of the Obama loving supporters have selective hearing.
I ask you this
Where is the incentive for any undocumented person living here currently? They register with the INS/IRS, They pay all back taxes. They have to pay a fine. Only to be put on probation and moved to the back of the line. Again where is the incentive?
If there is no border security enforcement attached to this then it will be D.O.A. Why do we keep paying for the same dung heap over and over? I have seen more than 3 of these debates in my lifetime. Only to have the same issues reappear every 12 to 15 years. So this new guy comes along and says to the American people I can do it better and you fall for it 120%. Idiots just plain idiots.
Don't get in the way of the stampede at the local IRS branch from all those who wish to apply.
Feisty - How's it going? Just wondering where Barb came up with the name "Fire Crotch" for you. I am sure she thought that was a real "knee slapper" when she thought it up. She probably cracked herself up. Based upon her posts, however, she lacks intelligence, humor, taste or friends. Proof that it takes little to entertain these fools.
Where is this 11 million illegals count coming from. I've been hearing it for a long time. Hell! seriously, I'm willing to wager California has 11 million alone.
KimH said "Based upon her posts, however, she lacks intelligence, humor, taste or friends. Proof that it takes little to entertain these fools." AND YOURS DO? You people are really a sad group of misfits.
Dan - Misfits, perhaps...but sad - not lately.
Well, isn't that special?
Little Bucky bullying others... LMAO@you bucko and your impotent rage!
You might intimidate what ever broad who is currently spreading them for you... me? Doesn't work that way!
The Midol is in the second drawer on the right - help yourself! ;o)
Feisty---please respond to 1.124
Bayllie,
They are @!$%#ing like bunnies in a desperate attempt to keep their "white" majority! Shame they don't educate them once they *pop* them!
Hey Kim!
I think Barbie thought she was being clever! lmao! GAWD how I miss the good old pre-election days when some of the trolls had an ounce of common sense!
Sorry bud - like I said above, you DO NOT control what or where I comment!
Continue to squeal as the conservative movement DIES a slow death!
Just like gun control, we need more immigration laws that Obamas' boys will not force. He, openly, flaunts the fact that he has the DOJ only enforce some laws and not others.
The fisting deadhead plays the race card. She just couldn't help herself, after having played all other loon talking points in her repetoire.
BTW, Texas spared one of your past acquaintances (and no doubt hero) from a meeting with the great beyond. Have you sent them a card thanking them?
just as I thought like most dems....can spit out talking points and hahahas but to answer a few questions too much for ya. thx now i know just to skip past your comments fom now on.if i want to know what your thinking from now on ill just fart and and get your response
...nice...first posting by the usual suspect begins with name calling....
...automatically shows the intellectual level of the dialog...
Nothing new here on FR, folks, move along.
And one more thing off topic----Last year PBO said if he had a son he would look like Trevon-and now he says if he had a son he would not let him play football,how is this when a picture i seen of Trevon he was in a football uniform?
An even better solution would be to put us ALL on ignore... dumbfux! lol
It amazes me how a lot of posters/trolls/non-trolls whoever think their opinion has any value here. It doesn't, this is just a place for hens to cackle. Myself included. :))
Hi,
Sure way for the Democrats to get 10 to 11 million or more votes next election by taking a bunch of illegal immigrants that invaded the country illegally and making them legal Americans. If they don't do something to protect the border, then in another year or so we will have 10 to 11 million more illegal immigrants invading the country and this invasion is worse that D-day.
Now all these illegal immigrants haven't been checked for disease, can't speak English, and have no real trades that we can use, but boy they sure will enhance the Democratic vote.
Obama what do you think you are hiding, we see right through your evil plan. The only problem is that all logical thinking Americans who see this are to small in number to do anything to stop it, after all you did sway the poor ignorant people of this country with Obama phones.
Take a good look at what is happening to this country, a couple more years and we will be a great third world country like Kenya. We are almost there now, with gun shots going off in most cities, cities not being able to support their police departments like yes Mr. Obama your old place that you ruled Chicago. Now you are turning the rest of the country into a city like Chicago. Oh well if I am wrong about this please correct me, after all most of us really don't know what hole you crawled out of, and you really didn't leave a path for us to trace.
most of you people on here are imbeciles not worthy to be p i s s e d on if your were laying in the gutter on fire. When are you idiots on both sides of the aisle going to wake up and realize that these people, republicants and demogogues are nothing but puppets for their ZIONIST bank masters looking to make corporate slaves out of the last free nation in the world. And why are we free?!? Because we have more firearms than they can overcome easily. Why do they want us on our knees? Because we are still and will always be, the world's breadbasket. Why do you idiots think Obama just apointed the lead lobbyist for Monsanto tot the head of the FDA. God help you all because you are frightened, egotistical, self-absorbed idiots.
Amnesty CAN'T be part of any bill...we have let to many freeloading criminals into this country already and will just encourage more. It is time that we actually qualify some of these immigrants so at the every least they can take care of themselves instead of being dead beat entitlement losers...we have too many of those already!!
NO AMNESTY! NO AMNESTY! NO AMNESTY! BRING BACK ELLIS ISLAND IMMIGRATION POLICY
Todd, Get some help plaese!
Please!!
Hey @!$%#FORBRAINS FEISTY! Marco will be our next CONSERVATIVE PRESIDENT! Trust me....CONSERVATISM IS ALIVE AND WELL and all of you idiot LIBERALS are about to find this out! Jackass!
Dr. E
Illegals could be ended easily if the rich and greedy businesses and corporations wouldn't hire them knowing full well that they are here illegally. I've mentioned the foundry near us that at one time had 5 men with the same name and Social security Number. Tell me they didn't know? Greed does that righties!
Illegals could be ended easily if the rich and greedy businesses and corporations wouldn't hire them knowing full well that they are here illegally. I've mentioned the foundry near us that at one time had 5 men with the same name and Social security Number. Tell me they didn't know? Greed does that righties!
drmark,
You are laughable! You are talking about the 95 support the conservatives in the teabuggers party? The same part that has 70 % disapproval rating? The party is dead and dying!
dmark - yes conservatism is alive but as we all see by your post - it's mentally deficient. No, Rubio will NOT be President. Should Hillary run, she WILL be the first female President. Count on it!
Oh, and you are in for a BIG surprise in 2014! Tick Tock!!!!
drmark,
It is a party of sickos! John McPain now talks about the fact that it got hammered at the polls by Latinos voting 74% for Obama and he wants the new immigration laws for only one purpose. Votes! Greedy right wing SICKOS!
repeat,nothing new here,hope they enforce this new law and it has some teeth.1986 did little more then legalize "illegals", really stopped the illegal aliens,didn't it.
What is the intention in speed up the citizenship for illegals immigrants, a green card of permanent residence give to immigrants the same rights than the Citizen , but can't vote, or is the vote more important than secure the borders, and make sure the new law is been enforce, the e-verify is in place before to move forward and do not repeat the same mistake, passing laws that nobody enforce and go back to the same, another 11 millions of illegals to give amnesty.
Actually, you've got that backward. Reforming our immigration system and allowing more foreigners into our country is a good strategy to help grow the U.S. economy and make the entitlement programs, especially Social Security, solvent.
SeekingSanity.....
Maybe one of these days (which is highly debatable) Progressives like you will get the message. Then again, maybe NOT.
That above tells me the GOWRP still don't think much about the politics of Hispanics. If they believe by promenading this idiot in front of Hispanics they will all of a sudden redeem themselves, they are more STUPID than Bobby Jindal even thinks.
So while the STUPID republican party is promenading Rubio around as the Hispanic republican savior, another STUPID republican, Tennessee state republican Sen. Stacey Campfield, has introduced SB 0132 : "Welfare -- As introduced, requires the reduction of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) payments for parents or caretakers of TANF recipients whose children fail to maintain satisfactory progress in school."
His bill basically says if any child, yes, any child, 7,8,9,10, years old, etc… does not maintain passing grades, their food stamps will be cut. They are forcing women to have babies, than they want to cut breakfast programs in schools for the needy kids, now, if you don't pass your tests, your food stamps will be cut.
They'll force birth on women, than starve the children to death. Nice group of hypocrites, huh!!
Feisty Redhead Roselle is a dude.
Ido - we KNOW right wingers like you will NEVER get the message - just keep spouting your ignorance every day! Sad but it's just the way you are! Oh, and you could never debate anything.
rgsdca1965 - OMG you're a blithering idiot! And, that's a FACT!
The Dem's are getting rich beyond belief while throwing you cheese stop fn eating it.
How come you all where aloud to hate Bush but we are not aloud to hate Obama?
and you all said that J W Bush was rich but Susan Rice is worth more but we don't hear swat about that?
If they pass this legislation, every time I hear of a liberal being raped or murdered by illegals or "former" illegals, I will find it very hard not to laugh.
Hmmm... no penalties for illegal immigrants breaking the law. This doesn't even happen in the progressive socialist countries in the EU. If you are here illegally then we'll find a way for you to become a citizen. This kind of thinking makes for good business for coyotes who smuggle illegals into the country. Why have any immigration laws at all? Why not just open the borders?
Obama is done with killing Mexicans with fast and furious , so now he wants to give them citizen ship RIGHT NOW.
All hail to the king.
Oh joy, the furer just bought 11 million votes with my tax money.
A friend needing a job applied at a construction company and was told right to his face that they would not hire him because he was NOT a mexican. Yah, they only do jobs that American don't want to do. My A$$. My man Odumpster looking out for the interests of Americans.
There's no way the Federal government can process and investigate 11 million people. They really should deport as many of 'em as possible first. I can believe they can make amnesty work for, say, a couple million of 'em. But we'd have to get rid of 9 million first..
Mr skeet shotter.
What about jobs for the twenty million something Americans that are still out of work and the 47 million that are now on food-stamps.
We were "aloud" to hate Bush? That's not what you were saying when he was in the White House!
Who is JW Bush? Who said he was rich? Who cares? What the heck are you talking about?
Take 2 aspirin and respond in the morning... or whenever you sober up.
kaybeetoys - the right wingers are getting more delusional with every passing day. I've never heard anyone say JW Bush (I'm guessing Jeb) is rich but who the hell cares? Oh, and they won't sober up - they're totally lost.
paganponderer - let me guess. You probably rant that you're a Christian, right? And, if the legislation passes you will celebrate when liberals are murdered or raped even though this is a bipartisan committee making the recommendation? You are a sick, perverted low life who has no morals, no integrity, no character and frankly you're nobody - just sick filth!
You're probably right, but rgsdca1965 posted a string of nonsensical comments that had the whiff of a brewski or seven.
The GOP feeds them a steady 'red meat' diet of fear and loathing, and this is the result. We'll just have to leave them in the gutter and go on ahead by ourselves.
FORWARD!!
Wow so fn what hear you go G W Bush
I am for gay rights a woman's right to chose and for gun rights but I am also for smaller government.
I don't go to Church nor do I own bible.
now what.
as for you seekingsanity kiss my fn ass.
Foward 2 what 22 trillion dollars.
when the @!$%# hit the fan and it's coming fast you people will be the first ones to be bitching and asking for more help.
and you be jumping again on the Republican ban wagon
The reality is that there is no bipartisan bill. Any bill has to be looked at in the light that Obama will not enforce any enforcement of immigration laws. Reagan reluctantly signed such a bill and the only thing that happened was that people who came here illegally were rewarded for their efforts. Let's face it, Arizona passed a bill that said they will enforce the immigration laws and Obama fought tooth and nail to proclaim "you can't do that!" The sad fact is that until you have a President willing to enforce our laws, they mean nothing. Since Reagan, we've had the Bushes, Clinton and Obama who have told Congress and the citizens of the US to take a flying leap. I don't, for the life of me, understand why anyone thinks that there can be worthwhile immigration reform. Certainly not while Obama is in office. He has stated clearly that he will only work to get those who are the most likely Dem voters to get on the voter rolls, and if they aren't entitled to vote, to try to prevent them from being off the voter rolls.
rgsdca - there isn't enough money in the world to get me to kiss any part of your anatomy! Ugh! I need a shower just thinking about it - the filth!
Oh, and I never "be jumping on the Republican bandwagon" that has 4 broken wheels, no axles and the wagon is missing boards! In other words - it's obsolete!
Feisty - I think what gregsmith1 is really trying to say is "Feisty, Feisty, Feisty - Please Notice Me"!!!!!!!
At least Rubio has MORALS, we know why Bob Menendez is for immigration reform...
Bob Menendez Underage Prostitution Scandal Barely Being Reported By Mainstream Media
http://www.policymic.com/articles/24320/bob-menendez-underage-prostitution-scandal-barely-being-reported-by-mainstream-media
Last month it was revealed that Senator Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) hired a registered sex offender turned illegal alien sex offender as an intern. It was also revealed that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security delayed the arrest of the intern until after election day Another scandal is materializing for the former private practice attorney who sits on the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on International Operations and Organizations, Human Rights, Democracy and Global Women's Issues: The Daily Caller alleges that Menendez had sex with underage prostitutes on several visits to the Dominican Republic from 2009 to 2012.
Sorry Kenyan, Americans don't want anymore illegals from anywhere. We already have a legal path to Citizenship they can follow, no need for more Legislation at all. How about some jobs you egotistical POS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a good thing Conservatives keep telling me the GOPTP doesn't pander to bigotry...
Rinovirus alert and it seems to be rather virulent … ahhhchoo! … apparently America has a new disadvantaged and homeless group … RINOs, and their numbers are multiplying rapidly … No amnesty for them! Deport these legal scum and strip their electors of voting rights! … ahhhhchoo! ... Sieg Hackchooo!
Obama has an oportunity here to actually get something passed. He'd better not get too greedy and alienate those Senate Republicans he seemingly has on board on immigration, or he could blow the whole deal.
GWB was 'don't ask don't tell' with regard to illegal Mexican labor which, he knew first hand having been governor of Texas, are the people willing to harvest the crops for cheap.
Democrats, I believe, want to cultivate the undocumented Mexicans for their votes, which means they need to position these people for citizenship.
My best friends in church are undocumented, hard working, honest, and generous family men, and I want them to have an avenue to citizenship for themselves and their children.
You lost the other side when you used the words "common-sense" Mr. President.
TO Fiesty & Friends: Since you embrace the illegal immigrate, then I think that you should each sponsor a Family and take them into your home. You pay for the medical (right now 47% are drawing some form of welfare)and taxes. Since are 50 million or more of you out there, that will cover all of them (11 million). This will save the government billions of dollars. So put your money where your mouth is and show us the compassion you all brag about.
Scott
I'm sure they are decent people. There has always been a mechanism in place for legal immigration. No country simply allows people reside in their country illegally. We are in the situation we find ourselves because weak kneed temporary worthless politicians refused to do the job the people sent them to do, that being uphold the laws of our nation. The American people have been demanding for years that this problem be addressed. It is about time they do something about it. Let's hope they are serious.
Al-524682 - thank you for your post and for shedding light on truth. Expect to be attacked by the libbie leghumpers over your challenge, but that's part of the fun here ;)
Rinos? People who FINALLY want to move the Republican party from the dark fringes of insanity and extremism toward the center.
ProFreedom-5130956
"Al-524682 - thank you for your post and for shedding light on truth. Expect to be attacked by the libbie leghumpers over your challenge, but that's part of the fun here ;)"
lol... Pro... This post is the very epitome of leg-humping!! You even winked at him dude! What is this? Brokeback bloggin?
What Al said was stupid. Inferring that to be in favor of immigration law changes and taking in an illegal alien are related to one another... A person would have to be an absolute simpleton for that false "correlation" to strike a chord, maybe you and Al should be... Oh, never mind, we can see that you are. Good luck fellas.
@ Scott-579755---there is an avenue for these Illegals to be here legally,just ask the ones that have gone through the process of doing it the right way.Friends or not they have still broken the law and are felons,do you believe child molestors should just be slapped on the wrist?Murderers?Rapist?etc...
@Al---they themselves are on welfare and food stamps and would be difficult for them to do
Bailley, I also heard Obama say that he wouldn't guarantie that the military and social security recipients get their checks, unless congress approved raising the debt ceiling. This is the second time I heard him say that and I didn't hear it on Fox news, I heard him say it on live TV.As for republicans insisting on securing the borders before approving any of the rest of the proposals on immigration reform, they remember that Pres. Reagan took the word of democrats that they would implement border security as soon as he signed the amnesty agreement. Well, as always, the democrats didn't live up to their promises, and we are lviving with the results. Do you blindly trust someone that keeps breaking promises? I don't !
Gee, with you and Obama's logic, if enough people decide to start robbing banks, they should all get a pass because there are so many of them, we can't send them all to jail.
Illegal aliens can now get a "illegal alien tax number". I was watching a small town news article where they claim 20 and 30 children, getting tax refunds of $30,000 plus. Yah, I want more of those kind of high quality people in our country.
Dav1bg - you are a damned liar or just so totally stupid you believe anything! MORON
@chick binder- what's with all the homophobic comments? You deduced from pointing out the truth that we're somehow gay?! Get real and while you're at it blow it out of your fat arse.
Try changing your online name to 'chick bigot' then there would be no confusion. Good luck!
Here's hoping this doesn't become another benchmark in the GOP's campaign of "We Were For It Before We Were Against It".
see also: THE DREAM ACT
LOL! This is Bush's "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", round 2. So of course they were "for it before they were against it".
Obama has an oportunity here to actually get something passed. He'd better not get too greedy and alienate those Senate Republicans he seemingly has on board on immigration, or he could blow the whole deal.
GWB was 'don't ask don't tell' with regard to illegal Mexican labor which, he knew first hand having been governor of Texas, are the people willing to harvest the crops for cheap.
Democrats, I believe, want to cultivate the undocumented Mexicans for their votes, which means they need to position these people for citizenship.
My best friends in church are undocumented, hard working, honest, and generous family men, and I want them to have an avenue to citizenship for themselves and their children.
Feisty, usually has "limpballs" haging off its chin.
Arizonatime - deflecting again I see!
Them Dems need more voting base cause when the money runs out the freebies will get mad at them.
Republicans got hammered by Latinos as John McPain can see the party is losing its base or has lost its base. It lost me long ago and the rest of my family followed!
we are just rewarding for breaking the law , pretty soon murders and rapist , chimos are going towant to be rewarded ...
chimos? Criminals? The Obama administration has deported more criminals back to Mexico in four years than Bush did in eight.
That's Princess to u
Keep posting like this and no one will be rewarded.
Amy,
chimos are sexual molesters, usually of children.
How do you feel about those who have hired these people? Are we not rewarding them as well?
Thanks BCWC, learn something every day.
Wonder what Princess U thinks we should do with all those US citizen priests who sexually molested children while the Church turned a blind eye; maybe deport them to The Vatican.
Da Noid
You mean like Dole Food Company, Inc.?
Or Hyatt Hotels Corporation?
Yeh. They LOVE the cheap labor.
Salud
Why is it Slippery Slopers believe only legislation they disagree with is subject to sliding?
tomas - EVERYONE loves the cheap labor, affordable produce, readily accessible contractors, nannys/housekeepers and amazing tacos. Most americans are too stuck up to be doing the work they're doing anyway.
They may as well let out the other criminals. You can't inforce some laws and not others. If these criminals get all their crimes errased then all criminals should. Don't anyone try to say that these illegal aliens aren't criminals because they are. We have laws for immigrating to this country and they broke them. Break the law...criminal!
Paranoid much? Lay off the weed, buddy.
Da Noid
they are called entrepreneurs and as long as it is done to increase the bottom line, it's just business!
LOL Amy!
All the illegals deported by Bush and Obama together doubled doesn't put a dent in the problem. Obama stepped up deportation on illegals who have committed crimes in addition to being in the country illegally. This way he can look like he's doing something and the likes of La Raza, MECHA, LULAC, etc can't complain because he's deporting criminals.
What was it Lincoln said? Something like, "You can fool some of the people all of the time...."
What's your point, hs321? Do you propose deporting all eleven million illegals living here?
bwahahahahahah!!
Amy B. Portland, ME ...(#4.1)..."chimos? Criminals? The Obama administration has deported more criminals back to Mexico in four years than Bush did in eight."
That's a laugh !!....Ha-Ha.....Counting the same people 4-5 times every time they cross and get sent back doesn't count...But that's how they countin' em now....
If what you said were true....LaRaza and every other "Latino" group would have a permanent protest campsite across from the WhiteHouse....They got the wink and the nod about how BS the deportation numbers are.....Scheesh !!!!
Mike in Delray - as usual you post nonsense and lies.
so what we are telling those who played by the rules went to the american consulate, filled out all the paperwork that we just jumped 11 millioon criminals in line in front of them
We are saying that in this country you do not need to play by the rules just vote for the right person who has something to gain by getting a certain ethnic group here.
SeekingSanity..(#4.14)..."Mike in Delray - as usual you post nonsense and lies "
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Is it your day to stalk me on here ???
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"Obama deportation numbers a 'trick' "
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66805.html
"How Many People Have Really Been Deported Under Obama? "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/01/deportation-numbers-obama_n_1314916.html
"Obama is accused of inflating his deportation numbers. What’s really happening? "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/02/obama-is-accused-of-inflating-his-deportation-numbers-whats-really-happening/
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Read them and get back to me....If you need more, just let me know.....
SLUMLORD99
your post tells me how little you know how the process works. Do don't go to the consulate and just "fill out paperwork" and get a green card. Permanent residency (aka "green card") is only given out in specific situations to adult: i.e. marriage to a US citizen or permanent resident, and few others (which you can look up yourself). You can apply for a tourist visa which allows you to stay here for a determined amt of time legally but before that time expires you get out.
If you stay longer, you are not any different than those who just jump the "fence." So no one is really cutting the line or at least not the way you assume.
Obama and democrats may not realize most illegal immigrants from Latin America are Catholic and pro-life. And therefore the odds of them supporting democrats in the future are slim at best.
They say, "be careful what you wish for".
Mike in Delray - don't flatter yourself. You're not worth stalking. And, at what point do two posts constitute "stalking?' Dumb - totally dumb!
Ellis - keep dreaming!
SeekingSanity..(#4.20)....First you write " as usual you post nonsense and lies "
Then you claim "two posts"
Sounds like you read more than the " And, at what point do two posts"....I write
I did notice that you didn't address falsely calling me a Liar about P.0bama's Phake, Phoney Phraud Deportation numbers.....I linked all lefty websites....Not FOX or Rush or Hannity....or Heaven forbid Glenn Beck .........That part you skipped over....
Liberals act as if stupidity is a virtue. Yes yes eleven million more on the assistance role is no problem at all.
Mike - How dare you show proof...Liberals dont like it when you prove them wrong.
They're just doing the jobs you're too lazy to do.
Actually, you have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal - in the US it's innocent until proven guilty.
Mike - according to politifact -
The ad first dismisses Obama’s proposal in June to temporarily halt deportations of young people, saying it "cheats them of legal status." It then says Obama "has deported more people than any other president in this country's history."
Given the rhetoric that sometimes criticizes Obama for being weak on illegal immigration, we wondered if that was true. We found it was, for the most part.
According to current figures from Immigration and Customs Enforcement -- the federal agency responsible for deportations -- Obama has removed 1.4 million people during his 42 months in office so far. Technically, that's fewer than under George W. Bush, whose cumulative total was 2 million. But Bush’s number covers eight full years, which doesn’t allow an apples-to-apples comparison.
If you instead compare the two presidents’ monthly averages, it works out to 32,886 for Obama and 20,964 for Bush, putting Obama clearly in the lead. Bill Clinton is far behind with 869,676 total and 9,059 per month. All previous occupants of the White House going back to 1892 fell well short of the level of the three most recent presidents.
We wondered whether there might have been a surge of undocumented immigrants that explained the increase, but there wasn’t. During the first two years of Obama’s tenure, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated the illegal immigrant population nationwide at 11.2 million, compared to an average during Bush’s eight-year tenure of 10.6 million. And illegal immigration actually peaked late in Bush’s second term, at which point the recession hit and the numbers declined under Obama. Such patterns do not explain the 57 percent bump in monthly deportations that we found under Obama.
So, if you compare apples to apples, Obama has deported more - factoring in the time periods. I know you hate to be shown for the liar you are but facts are facts!
Hey there little princess, when there are fines attached as President Obama has proposed and as was proposed previously by Dubya that is what we call punishment. Very few of those undocumented immigrants are felons or would be felons. Most are hard working, family people. The only laws they have broken or will ever break are our immigration laws. The bill being offered now, will remedy that. No one is being rewarded for anything. They would be required to pay fines, and any back taxes. They aren't eligable for Social Security or Medicare until after they are citizens and contribute to the system.
@ SEEKING
Good spin. I didn't see anywhere in Mike's post that was asking for a comparison between Bush & Obama. Nice try though
"They're just doing the jobs you're too lazy to do."
Is that ever the truth. Here in Colorado the Hispanics get the work done while the good old redneck boys who wouldn't even think about working that hard sit around and whine about "those lazy Mexicans" taking our jobs.
Charlie: Same here in Michigan. Landscape companies have to import workers because the work is beneath the young people who used to do the jobs during summer break from school.
Jay - I was just backing up the fact that the President has deported more illegals than any other President - in the same amount of time. The article brought in Bush - and if you read carefully, Clinton! I believe it is more than a Nice Try. It is game, set and match!
Jay-1891719
@ SEEKING
"Good spin. I didn't see anywhere in Mike's post that was asking for a comparison between Bush & Obama. Nice try though"
Good call Jay! Mikey doesn't ask questions because he can't formulate intelligent ones and Seeking Sanity still told him everything he needs to know and that his Mama wishes he could remember!
I don't think you know what spin means though. Work on that when your done building your Mikey shrine...
Sheesh. Let's just agree that neither of them did enough. If the legislation is as stringent as they are leading us to believe; the question will be does Obama have the conviction to sign it into law?
For clarity, Obama fudges his numbers on deportation:
http://www.alipac.us/content/house-judiciary-committee-obama-fudging-deportation-numbers-879/
Now, let's move forward and hope they do better.
What's that definition of insanity? Oh, yes, doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting a different result. Last amnesty go around brought us 11 Million more, so here we go again? Must be the dem's really need those votes, their problem is when their dream act results in these people having to pay taxes, they won't be so happy.
SimpleTheory - he has deported more illegals in 4 years than any other President in history. FACTS! 'nuff said!
Shaking my head - shake a little harder and maybe you'll knock a little sense into it. "Must be the dem's really need those votes....." You mean like Reagan did when he gave Amnesty to illegals! IDIOT!
What is so hard about ILLEGAL immigration? Mexicans are getting preferential treatment for their ILLEGAL acts that no other ethnic bkground has ever gotten. The US people are paying for special teachers, busing, breakfasts, lunches, lower cost in college fees, and lets not forget healthcare...for their ILLEGAL behavior. I don't understand why it's so hard for the ILLEGALS to grasp or our government to understand why the legal Americans are tired of having to pay for their ILLEGAL behavior. What do you tell your kids at night, that because of your ILLEGAL access into this country and living here, not learning English, and never taking the time to get your citizenship, we should pay to make it easier for you and your children to live here. Get an easier access than any other nationality in the world...and why? I DO NOT get it..the liberals are killing us all. We have to continually pay for your ILLEGAL behaviors and all the government gives you while we can't retire because we can't afford to because of higher taxes paying for your ILLEGAL access. I'm tired of hearing all the reasons why your kids would be separated if the ILLEGAL parents were deported...they should have done it legally then or during the many years they have been here. I am tired of ILLEGAL acts by so many and making us try and see it's all ok because....it is NOT ok...it is ILLEGAL. I am sad to say our government has people that do not listen to the majority of Americans that understand the ILLEGAL part but does not understand why we are paying for that ILLEGAL behavior that is constant and no other nationality are given the perks or incentives that the Mexicans think that they have a RIGHT to ask for. It saddens me that our moral compass is being put out there for votes and no more. You are teaching your children that doing it the wrong way, the ILLEGAL way is ok and telling the same to my children and getting perks for doing it. No way is any of it right!!!!
It's simple geography: Mexican immigrants can walk across the border. No other group of immigrants has ever been able to do that. The European, Asian, etc. people who have come here didn't walk.
Couple this with the fact that we have huge corporations which gladly hire illegals (Walmart), people like Mitt Romney who gladly hire illegals (until he's running for office, then the illegal lawn boy has to go), and Americans who hire illegals to do housework and childcare, and this is where we are today.
Don't forget that many of the people who come here illegally have family members who have lived on our side of the border for generations. The border states have always had large Mexican immigrant populations.
I agree that things need to change. We need to help Mexican immigrants assimilate better. They need to learn English, become better educated, and become productive members of our society. It could be a growth industry if we had the will and the heart to do it.
What is the alternative? We can't deport eleven million people.
@ chick
Considering your classy name, if you were my dad, I wouldn't honor you. Why would I honor Mike. Pretty pathetic
Kaybee,
We already have a plethora of educational offerings for non-English speakers who are here illegally. They are not interested. Why should they be? The state government prints everything from driver's test instruction books to voting material in Spanish. Home Depot labels everything in Spanish. Look at your packaged foor: English and Spanish. They can attend ESL instruction, but most do not. Instead, they flood our overburdened classrooms with non-English-speaking children. Why not? They have subsidized housing, food stamps, free medical, and many are paid in cash.
I suggest that if, instead of "helping [illegal aliens] assimilate better", we offered government help and subsidies and education ONLY to those here legally, we wouldn't have an illegal alien problem.
Obama said today, ""Yes, they broke the rules. They crossed the border illegally. Maybe they overstayed their visas. But these 11 million men and women are now here."
Could I really be hearing this right? I have to agree with the many posters who commented that this thinking is tantamount to "Yes, he robbed the bank. He took the money that didn't belong to him. But he has it now." So WHAT? So make it less comfortable for people to "break the rules" (can you say law?). Don't pander for votes at the expense of millions of citizens and legal residents who DIDN'T "break the rules."
Seeking Sanity "he (Obama) has deported more illegals in 4 years than any other President in history. FACTS! 'nuff said!"
Is that all you can do with this is keep spouting off talking points? Take what Obama deported and multiply it a few times if you wish. It doesn't put a dent in the problem. It's all smoke and mirrors to make it look like something of significance is being done, when in fact, nothing of significance is being done. We still have an estimated 10-12 million illegals here.
Do you remember what they said last time amnesty was granted? Let me refresh your memory:
In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, 'This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this."
Did you get the 1.1 to 1.3 million part? Do you know that in reality, about 3 million got amnesty? We don't have a clue how many illegals are in this country.
Did you also get the part about closing the borders? Never happened and it won't happen this time either.
Did you get the part about never giving amnesty again? Let me quote someone else: 'nuff said!"
Already with the racism? He is not hispanic enough if he disagrees with Feisty? Only black people who are democrats are really black people? Da noid refers to a John Kerry quote as a GOP benchmark? The article points out that this bill may be a workable bill that has potential, and all you guys got out of it was another chance to spit hatered and opposition. Nice hope and change. I think we see who is the real party of no.
I think you value the complaining more than an actual solution. Sucks when even the good news only increases the desire to whine.
Sane,
I would advise you to aim before shooting ... and do try and find a real target.
bcwc, I believe you are NOT American. Am I correct?
Bill O Rights 13
Take it up with management, they are far more adept at telling questioners such as you to piss off.
bcwc....Bite it biotch!
The fact is we've seen this before...GOP proposes something and then runs diametrically opposed to it.
The DREAM Act
Cap And Trade
Bailouts
TARP
The Individual Mandate
Heck, Republicans are in favor of the overwhelming majority of the proposals that President Obama has made regarding firearms (exceptions being a renewed assault weapons ban) but when asked if they favor the President's positions on guns they are overwhelmingly opposed.
BCWC is a North American. You got a problem with that?
North American...LOL!
kaybeetoys said,
"BCWC is a North American. You got a problem with that?"
Does mommy know you are on the computer again??
How juvenile!!
The left have always been cowards, they play the race card because they have nothing else.
Black Cat . . . your black is showing again and again and again .... talk about being a racist !!!
Yo is the boogieman !!!!
"The left have always been cowards"
Is that so?? Check out how many Democrats in Congress have served in the military and then see how many Republicans have served. And of course the chicken-hawks like Rush the Junkie, Dick Cheney, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich never served.
And Oboma served?
stopfreeloaders
"The left have always been cowards, they play the race card because they have nothing else."
No Goober... They play the race card so you have one less of them to hide your imbecilic self behind...
Wealthy republicans are racist free-loaders. Take a gander at the miscreant you stooges ran for President. Middle income republicans are racist boot-lickers. Poor republicans are ignorant racist serfs still thinking Boss Hogg will drop crumbs... Maybe you should stop THAT flat-spiral glide path to destruction instead of picking a fantasy team from a fantasy league.
I served Charlie, three tours in Vietnam! Where did Obozo serve? I didn't go over there to protect the "rights" of illegals, I did it because I felt it was my responsibility and constitutional duty to serve. You leftwingers are the same kind of trash that spit on me when I came back! You can all go to hell!
Buckhunter - did you scream when Reagan gave amnesty to illegals? And, I know of no TRUE veteran who would call the President of the United States childish names. IF you served you've forgotten all you were taught.
I respect the men and women who serve in our military - from any war. I DO NOT respect a "veteran" who has forgotten their respect for our President.
Hispanic is not a race. No racism there.
quote from Theodore Roosevlt-to announce that there must be no criticism of the president,or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong,is not only unpatriotic and serville,but is morally treasonable to the american public. good night,fellow americans
WOW Seeking! "I DO NOT respect a "veteran" who has forgotten their respect for our President."
There must be a lot of people you don't respect, and many of them liberals. When Bush was President, the liberals disrespected him in just about every way possible.
"Rubio has appeared in conservative media"...
Yes, true enough...and Obama has appeared in "liberal" media...except NBC's First Read itself is the liberal media and wont label their fellow Obama lapdogs as "liberal" ...
Conservatives , dont bother with First Read , their journalists and their stories are just ripped from the script provided by David Axelrod...not to mention the nasty attacks on Republicans in the Comments by the likes of Feisty Redhead.
You are absolutely right, GOP---you should refuse to visit this site and post on it. That would teach us liberals a lesson!
"Conservatives , dont bother with First Read" ... which is of course why you post here, because you are not a Conservative. Redstate Rubble would be more apt.
Them why do you folks continue to troll around MSNBC? Nasty attacks on President Obama and follow Democrats, do warrant nasty attacks on Republicans.
GOP: Goodby.
Steeler Fan-380417
I'll hold the door.
Salud
Job....they only complain and insult, never have any solutions.......paid trolls
hello a$$ holes
Then, why are you here?
TomasGrande, I'll help you with the door!
Takes one to know one. All I see are complaints from you, what don't get enough freebies from the working taxpayers. You all scream about the rich but you have NO complaints about your senators, congressmen, and WH all getting rich and not paying their FARE share. Hypocrits! Looks like through your blind obsession with O you'll be getting some competition for those freebies, hope you like sharing because there is only so much money we worker bees can give to the government to support the likes of you.
Again, ignorant Dotties girl - (Dottie must be humiliated!) NONE of us scream about the rich! Another ignorant and totally STUPID post from you! How many times do you have to be told before you get it ithrough your inordinately thick skull???? Even Republican leaders are saying comments like yours are contemptable! Try to catch up with the low IQ among your own party! Even THAT would be a step up for a moron like you!
Guess Dotties girl is one of those unemployed folks who post on FR and complain about all those other "alleged" unemployed FR posters taking her hard-earned tax money to post on FR.
BTW, "fair share" is determined by Congress so if the tax rate for the rich is 39.6%, that's their fair share rate but it isn't the rate they pay by the time they get ALL their many deductions--ask Mitt Romney who paid less than 14%. And if the rate for the poor is 0%, it's because they don't make enough money to pay a share in income taxes but they pay a greater percentage of their incomes in the form of sales and local option taxes than do those whose "fair share" is 39.6%. Those making $250,000 or more don't notice a 7% sales tax; the person who makes $7.25 an hour does.
again!
Seeking a friend for her pathetic existence lives on the chat board for another day.... she must not have enough "client" meetings to fill her day. Slow day at the welfare office i suppose. Yes we know seeking... you make so much money.... you are sooo intelligent.... you know everything and you are the living exception to every argument (as long as somebody posts you a way to make it seem that way). blah blah blah....
Don't worry comrades. This ignorant cow will spend all day hating you but the truth is she couldn't live without you. IF nobody was here to argue with seeking, she would have to post something constructive and the heads of Fire crotch, seeking, Job1 and Tomas (Salud, salud salud salud salud?) would pop in unison - they all suffer from the same problem. She needs you, so take her derogatory insults with a grain of salt and remember if it wasn't for you all she would have is ALOT of cats.
Hey seeking, I dont think that DOTTIES is ignorant. I think she's posting what she believes to be true, and for the most part valid in terms of thought. You aught to try it some time. But one thing is for sure, I sure as hell know you are ignorant for calling someone ignorant, simply because they have a different response?
Sir, Seldom do I post on this site. Simply because I find most of the spewing rather laughable at best. You however sir, calling someone ignorant and yourself ----NEVER ---- offering anything meaningful in terms of a discussion?? Just slam bam em. right pal? that's all you're about on this site. Talk, say nothing, that's your style.
they only complain and insult, never have any solutions
Very few of you liberals do anything but complain and insult, and never have solutions. Jody, Iowa, independentredneck, tomasgrande are only a few that I see actually trying to have constructive conversations. And while I might not agree usually with what they say, at least they are being intelligent about it. The rest of you liberals really don't say anything productive.
Before you attack me, I know I have my rants and insults on here. FR is a good place to come and vent when you're frustrated at work!
no more nonsense - no I "aught" not try it. LOL! Great group of losers here - no more, AlexM, DrAlchemy (who clearly has done way too many chemicals in his pathetic excuse for a life!).
Jody - it's useless to try to converse with anyone like Dottie!
the rwnj trolls are angry today. Must be too much for them to be living in a center-left country, lol!
Ah thank you SeekingSanity! You do so well supporting me and my point!
btw, go take a midol.
Alex - you are a crude, vulgar, classless Republican and you show it daily. You need no help!
I think job1 and the other liberal cowards feel like thier contributing to society if they post in between food stamp allotments.
Do you think a midol would actually help her ? LOL !! She is beyond help !! Review her posts and you will get insight into her twisted need to put down everyone. I wonder if her boyfriend dumped her and ran off as fast as possible ?
The "Queen of Mean" attacks others for being "mean" !
GOP Comeback 2014
"Conservatives , dont bother with First Read , their journalists and their stories are just ripped from the script provided by David Axelrod...not to mention the nasty attacks on Republicans in the Comments by the likes of Feisty Redhead."
There are no republicans in the comment section of first read... Just crash test Dummies left over from the last election... What else are we supposed to practice on?
I thought you were salted in for comedic value! Let me be the first to apologize for offending your delicate, effeminate sensitivities... I thought you were just re-hashed computer generated text auto-posted for normal people to make sport of... You know, little bitter dregs of a bygone cycle...
cb,
Wow, pretty dramatic, where is the casting department?
Doesn't this have to go to the house after the senate passes it? Still a lot of tea baggery going on there and I don't think the Cuban American's seal of approval means that much to them.
I think the Constitution and laws already in place present a perfect way to run immigration and it worked all the while the European immigrants were coming to the United States but now because people are too lazy to do the necessary steps and want to enter the country illegally we have to put a bunch of time and effort into something that is already LAW?????? And the prez and dems all in favor of promoting laziness so they can continue to expand their voting base. This is just a smoke screen so that this prez doesn't have to deal with the real issue hurting the US--the economy and jobs. First you have the gun legislation and now immigration what next???? These 2 things already are regulated and have specific laws that the feds don't want to enforce so now they want to change things and make it look like they are doing something. Same old political rhetoric and BS.
Well bobm-# How far back do you take that bs of yours.
Should this Italian pack his bags.
Don't hold your breath.
That BS as you call it has been around for years and worked just fine as a control of population growth in the US. Depending on what generation of Italian/American you are, I would wager a guess that your predecessors went through that same system. If not, let me help you pack. You are no better than the current illegals from south of the border.
The BS I was talking about was political BS if you can read English and I take political BS back to the time when the 2 party system started because that is when the lying started. Government office was supposed to be an honor to serve and was never meant to be a career but these professionals have found out that they can line their pockets with all kinds of illegal handouts so they just keep lying to keep their government posts. What needs to be done about immigration??????? Just tell me that????? Aren't the rules already in place? The government just needs to enforce them not try to change them so they can get the Hispanic vote. If you are here illegal you should be deported. If you are born here and neither of your parents are legal you should be deported and you should not be given citizenship. These items are clearly spelled out in the Constitution.
The problem is with this "Great Giveaway" of our money and our liberties, then what? What will Obama give away next?
Allowing 15 million illegals all the benefits of a citizen of the United States will bankrupt this country. I think Obama Grand Plan is to reduce this country to a 3rd world country just to teach us a lesson.
You don't understand what's going on here Ford Man. Sure, there will be plenty of these people on welfare, but many will be working and paying into the SS trust fund, now $7 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities. That is the plan, he is using them to prop up SS for a few more years.
Unfortunate reality. Illegal immigrants are here...perhaps we can tax and trace now. We certainly do not have the means to permanently remove these people...many of whom now consider themselves "American"
Perhaps conservatives would care to explain what is wrong with the idea of bringing the undocumented workers out of the shadows, allowing them to pay income taxes on the money they earn, pay into social security and medicare, etc.
If we want someone to blame for undocumented workers being in this country, blame the people who hire them because if they and those that followed them here could not have found work, they wouldn't have come here to begin with. Ask Mitt Romney why he allowed workers at his home who he knew were undocumented but didn't complain about until he ran for President. Want to blame someone, blame the employers who hire and pay them; blame the rich who hire and pay them; blame the hotels and lawn-care businesses who hire and pay them.
Jody do you ever post anything that doesn't attack the opposing party? Seriously?
Throw in and maintain the aspect of denying citizenship to those with violent criminal records and anything to do with drugs (not so much marijuana... unless it was several pounds with intent to distribute). And get on with it already.
Nobody, despite how much they want to, will get these law breaking non citizens out of this country. Obama needs the votes and the GOP is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
The least they could do is get rid of the offenders before letting all of the offenders become citizens.
Have you ever heard the term WOP? That has become a derogatory term for Italian immigrants. WOP means without papers and it is because some Italian immigrants boarded ships and came here despite our laws and quotas etc. They stayed and have been major contributors to our society. I love pizza and spaghetti do you? Well, without them we wouldn't likely have much of that stuff.
In the earlier times people just came and lived here. The natives didn't like it but that was too bad. The Europeans came, saw, and conquered those indigenous people and took their land.
Why did your ancestors come here? Was it specifically to get land, to make a better life for their families, religious freedom, political reasons? Well, those immigrants we talk about today are coming here for the same reasons. Some just want to work and have no intentions of becoming citizens. They work cheap and send money home so their kids can eat.
I find it amusing that people who have never met an illegal alien think they know all about their motivation for coming here and that they are lavished with all sorts of goodies when they get here. Walk a mile in their shoes and I guarantee your eyes will open and your brain will become enlightened.
I, for one, am glad we are finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Since Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to millions of illegals signalling that it is okay to come here as you will eventually get to stay we have seen an influx of illegals. Efforts to close the border started by GW Bush and continued by Obama have had a positive effect as fewer are coming here. Some claim lack of work contributes to that too. I suppose for labor jobs that may be true but crops still get picked on time.
The proposals being offered by the Senate are the same as President Obama, and even President Bush offered in previous attempts to get immigration reform through the Congress. Whether to kiss some Hispanic tush for votes or a sense that their party is doomed if they continue to follow the rwnj Fascist wannabe extremists, Republicans are going along with it this time. A bi-partisan effort is always better than something done only by one party.
As for the insults thrown back and forth on this blog. Knock it off, people. Opinions are like navels, everybody has one. Some are outies and some are innies but one isn't necessarily better than the other. Dissent and difference of opinion are what makes democracy work. So can we all agree and disagree civilly?
I do know what is going on in this country hs321. 36% of the illegals in this country now are drawing some kind of welfare. They are "wards of the State" and will produce kids like no tomorrow and all the while YOU AND I WILL BE PAYING THE BILL. It is going to cost this country appx. 6 trillion just to give them all the benefits a legal resident enjoys.
If they are allowed to come in here and vote as a citizen with all the rights of a native born American, this country will lose its identity and you will soon become the minority fighting your ass off trying to get them out of your country.
I say the best way out of this is to allow them here under a work permit program only with no chance of ever becoming a citizen. Forget about the anchor baby BS also. If you don't do that you will lose this country in a matter of 20 years.
Do what Eisenhower did back in the fifties and drive them back across the border ASAP. Bring our troops home if you have to but by all means get them on their side of the border.
BTW This is just a thought but I thought one of the conditions of enforcing the Constitution was to establish and maintain domestic tranquility and that is something Obama has failed to do.
The proposal we have today is the same one agreed to in 1982-4, but then we gave amnesty to 3million and said we would strengthen the borders to stop it. Well, we did the amnesty bit, but did nothing about the boarders, so now we want to "fix it" with the same thing that didn't work in 1982? I'm all for immigration but under fair, controlled laws. Why should the person who swims the Rio Grande jump ahead of the person from Ghana who worked by the rules to get admitted here. I'm for fair, not freebies.
Ford Man - totally idiotic post. I see you forgot about Reagan being the first with the amnesty right. Did you whine then? Oh, and please cite your source for the claim of 36% of illegals receiving welfare?
Right.
I sure hope somebody keeps our Socialist president in check..
Hmmm, the Limbaugh comedy show must be over with, the flys are starting to buzz. Oh yeah, and here's one of his socialist quotes from the 2nd inaugural address:
Our celebration of initiative and enterprise; our insistence on hard work and personal responsibility, are constants in our character.
You have another President other than Obama? Where do you keep him in check?
Don't you mean that negro, socialist, Kenyon, communist, un american, illegally elected, nazi half breed President???
The quotes are exactly that; BS quotes. Bunch of dad-gone losers grabbing at my wallet all the time. Spend your food stamps wisely.
What about the fact that the gerrymandering Republicans really didn't WIN control of congress, they stole it? Why doesn't THAT concern you?
Oh, is Sarkozey here? I see you mentioning a Socialist president and he certainly would fit the bill. President Obama, however is NOT a Socialist unless you are willing to agree that George W. Bush is a Fascist. It makes about as much sense.
Will Obama get amnesty under the proposed immigration plan?? Does this mean he will get to stay in the U.S.??
Congrats. You've just lowered yourself to the ranks of the most ill-informed and hateful conspiracists in the radical right wing nut-job crowd.... the birthers. Great work Hope. My only question is whether anybody takes you serioulsy on any subject, ever again.
hey upset....i don't care where obama the ass was born.....he is a crappy president and needs to be impeached..
Don't get upset, upset. His type outnumbers the illegals. Or maybe you should get upset.
Impeach him for being a negro, socialist, Kenyon, communist, un american, illegally elected, nazi half breed President???
When I read the post of the extreme right wing and their twisting of the facts, I can’t help but think of hillbillies living in a hollow in the hills, and guarding their moon shine.
HopeisGone - dear hope for you is long gone. There is no hope you will ever have an IQ above 40 - no matter how much people try to teach you. The birther nonsense shows you to be the gutter trash you clearly are!
Come up with something new Job, you're boring. Would you really let your king Throb'n Wood balance your checkbook?
Impeach him for winning against the Republicans, because we all know that the only way this nation will survive is if we kick the Democrats to the curb and prevent them from holding office. One Party Rule! GOP Forever!
(ok, so I threw up a little in my mouth just then, but it's the way a lot of them think.)
no impeach him for lying under oath when he swore to uphold and defend the constitution of the united states.....war crimes for killing innocent pakis with drone strikes....and on and on.....Job1?...you are the one using the vile terms to describe obama the ass......typical lib plays the race card when confronted with reality...
Parker - another right winger that proves crude, vulgar, classless and clueless are required to be Republican!
wacked and Dennis-816... you two losers don't have a clue about anything. And, my guess is you aren't even capable of reading the Constitution!
Hey SS, I'm not a republican; never have been. You seem to feel you're more intelligent than some of us - I'm just not seeing it.... moron
Hope,
Spot on. It will be interesting when Obama's sheeple find out the truth about him.
Parker - you're definitely a Republican and show it with every post - moron!
It's strange to read that some people hold this President up to a standard that has never been met by any politician ever. I am sure it helps to just be angry, unreasonable , and uneductaed all the time but I digress.
Uphold the Constitution, huh? Do you mean that document that is always evolving? because that is what it was intended to do. Adapt or get replaced, so it is in nature and therefore with us.
mcpaddywack
paki or pakis are derogatory terms. Try using Pakistani.
So you're not only stalking me but think you know me better than I know myself? I voted Dem pres 2 out of the last 4 elections. Get a life and be gone DBag.
Parker - wow! How intelligent - DBag? Did you ask a 3rd grader for a putdown or did you think that one up all by yourself? Talk about low IQ!
How are them cats doing seeking? Slow day with clients?
Maybe you should go choke yourself while you think about fire crotch and blow job 1 getting it on in your parents basement... oops excuse me... in your haven for mistreated cats and low IQ voters.
I see the Fox noise hate mongers are in fine form today and they've unleashed the trolls to come and amuse us.
I would be curios to see just how Obama supposedly has violated the Constitution. While we're at it we can see how his predecessor violated the Constitution. At least Obama is not on the list of people world wide to be arrested for war crimes like Bush and Cheney are. I believe it was Dick Chene, could have been someone else in the Bush Administration, but I think it was Cheney who said that the "Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper". So before we start coming unglued we need to consider what has happened in the recent past. Maybe it is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
upstate John
"Don't get upset, upset. His type outnumbers the illegals. Or maybe you should get upset."
News Flash! A fine example of the elusive 'Merkin racist has been spotted cowering in an upstate John!... When confronted, he said he was there to meet someone named "Sea Bass"... Find a happy place moron!
Looks like you chose to remove all doubt, Adler...
Did someone mention Ricky Maddow. Heck, Maddow is nothing more than an angry young man!
ok that's it - you have pissed me off. first of all - your name - bill O Rights - I don't think so - not even close - secondly you have something ignorant to say to the only people posting here who are intelligent and articulate, third, when you go taking smack about Rachel Maddow, you are way out of your league. She would win a verbal war of words with you in 30 sec. flat especially considering your vocabulary seems to be limits to little boy bad words.
so - back off, shut up and go watch Fox News - where everything is beautiful all day long
for ever dem: Wow! That is p!ssed! I am very glad you said ever word you said. Thank you
Maddow is fine....but that Lawrence ODonnel that guy needs to go in a straight jacket and be examined somewhere. Seriously, Hannity & Limbaugh look like sensible people compared to that guy.
Why was the Mass Media told to wait untill after the 2012 election, to publish the fact that Obama* got a $375,000.00 fine for campaign violations during the 2008 election?
why did this ass obama fly to vegas?...oh yeah pandering....someone impeach this fraud and force him to resign...
To waste another million we do not have.
Like I said, "hillbillies living in a hollow in the hills, and guarding their moon shine."
like i said about job1.....typical lib playing the race card......pathetic
hey Mr. Paddyywack - that is President Obama - not the ass Obama - your vocabulary is sorely lacking
What are you Job? About 12? that's what your education level appears to have topped out. Get off the couch and get a job, Jerry Springer is about as real as wrestling.
Parker - and yet Springer and wrestling are the BEST shows you watch! Clearly!
Of course you know that the Bill of Rights as it pertains to the US Constitution only includes the first 10 Amendments. (Just thought I'd mention it)
To wast another million on what? Maybe if you get to work and stop trolling blogs you could make enough to pay taxes and we would (along with the taxes of others) pay that millon you are so concerned about.
Yes, they're (Obama, Rubio, McTraitor) all "very much in line" with overturning the rule of law in the USA.
If the law is changed than there is no overturning any rule is there? New rules aren't to be selectively obeyed because one happens to disagree with them.
Isn't Rubio the same guy who refused to answer questions about whether he believes the Earth is 6,000 years old or not? Yeah, that's him.
Anybody who can't admit the Bible is wrong about the timeline of the Earth should not be President. If he is so afraid of alienating the radical right Bible thumping crowd, can he ever be considered a moderate? I think not.
No offense to the writers of the stories in the Bible, but they were way off on their effort to document the history of the Earth. Dinosaur fossils are known to be over 60 Million years old. Thats only 10,000 times older than Rubio thinks the Earth is. Yeah, he's a rock star, soon to be President... RIGHT!
Come on! You know darn well that Jesus rode a brontosaurus into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday. Or was that Bedrock? Or was it Barney riding a donkey?
Upset - it depends on which Christians you ask about the time line. There are plenty of Christan's who know the earth is millions of years old, there were dinosaurs and people have been on the plant many many more years than 6,000. That is a hard line fundamentalist view to think otherwise. You have to read, and study Genesis to get the whole picture You cannot rule out someone for President for that. Bill Clinton called himself a Christian, but mostly skipped the part about adultery and he turned out pretty good yea?
My point is that Rubio is pandering to the tea party crowd and the radical right.
Weren't ALL of our Presidents Christian?
If Rubio can't bring himself to admit the Earth is one heck of a lot older than 6,000 years, he is living in denial, like a good majority of the Republican party. That is a real problem for independents and moderates.
Our next President should not be a guy who ignores science and clings to erroneous blind faith on matters that scientists all agree on.
Sure he is, that is what Politicians DO- I never heard Rubio say that I will research that. That is no more out there than what Mormons believe. I was hoping we were sort of past all that, we looked to who could lead this country best
I wish that were the case Celtic. Perhaps some day.
I'd rather not see an anti-science President, particularly this day and age. One must accept reality in order to deal with it.
Agreed Sir!
upset -- I couldn't agree more! Our next President should be a woman.
Upset - The Bible is not wrong about the timeline, or the age of the earth. Perhaps millions or billions of years as we think and understand in terms of time. You seem to misunderstand that the earth had become without form and void, and is stated in Genesis as does a garden if not tended to, much like we have let the earth become because of our neglect and abuse. However, the bible is correct that it's renewal is right around 6,000 years ago to make it inhabitable for man, and is why God created/planted a garden.
He can't use his plans because they never make sense.
People just don't get it. The current ACA was initially a conservative Republican idea. It was ditched when the numbers were crunched and they realized that, like now, it cannot be paid for. Democrats didn't like it back then, but when it became Obama's idea, oh my goodness, what a fantastic idea.
These immigration reforms are simply the second round of the ones proposed under Bush. Back then, many Democrats adamantly opposed them. They opposed anything that looked like amnesty in any form. But now that the same thing is coming from Obama, they are all over-joyed about it.
Like it or not, Obama is a master politician. Failure at leadership by his own admission, but a fantastic politician.
Re "11 million living in the shadows" - sure, now they'll be able to collect not only Medicaid, but Food Stamps, and get subsidized housing as well. With our unemployment rate so high, and our economy so terrible, how any of you in Congress can in good conscience vote to legalize these ILLEGALS is a mystery to me. Do any of you really think this will help reduce the deficit or help our economy? If so, you should all go home. Next will be hiring quotas; and more Affirmative Action. Does that mean if someone robs a bank and gets out with the money, they can keep the money and won't go to jail, even though robbing a bank is against the law? What difference does the law make - or the rights of the American people for that matter.
Doesn't it also mean they will have to pay taxes genius? You missed that part huh?
probably not........obama only wants the rich to pay taxes.......obama can't afford to alienate the deadbeats and freeloaders who got him re-elected...
They all work at Wal-Mart.
lets not forget 11 mil now eligible for Odumbocare.
Dukey...wishing it away does not change the fact that there ARE 11 million here who are undocumented. It also does not change the fact that there are 50,000 children of those undocumented who ARE citizens becoming eligible to vote per month. Threatening to deport their parents and grandparents is not necessarily a way to build your party...a party that only garnered 21% of those Hispanics that voted in 2012. Keep it up and fail to adjust, and the GOP will be just a memory.
Hurt-they are not eligible for Obamacare.....or SS, or Medicare. They do contribute state, local and federal taxes, and payroll withholding, but don't get refunds or SS if they are not citizens. The proposal would make them pay any back taxes and get to the back for their green card, all the time still collecting taxes from workers.
Perhaps you can direct them to Massachusetts where they are eligible for Myth RomneyCare.
11 million more 47%'ers - now we're thinking clearly. Morons...... you'll be >50%ers in no time.
If anyone enters the united states Illegally anything that they get here is Illegal.
Including Citizenship for children. look at the reform proposal.
You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you, upset? Most illegal immigrants will be working in lower paying jobs, which means they won't be owing any taxes. They will get back everything withheld for income tax plus more with entitlements. Obama touts everybody paying their fair share when wanting to raise taxes on the rich, but the rich pay taxes, but disproportionately less than the middle class. Lower income people pay little or no tax. If Obama truly wants everyone to pay their fair share then tax the lower incomes too. Obama and the Dems just see more votes.
Sorry to say the rule of law does not always apply, especially with such a hot bottom issue. Republicans and Democrats alike see a pool of 11 million new voters, immigration law? forget it, pandering will be taken to new heights. The fact is they are here, you cannot and this country will not force 11 million people back to where they came from, nor should we. We are a compassionate lot- if we follow the plan outlined- 1. Border security first, dealing with employers who hire illegals, streamlining the immigration process etc. then I am on board. And one more thing LEARN ENGLISH- it is the official language of the USA.
why is the ass obama so concerned about the plight of people who broke the law to enter our nation?.....why does obama the ass try to take firearms away from LAW-ABIDING AMERICAN CITIZENS????........this guy is traitorous..
mcpaddywhack, these people are here, deporting them would be too expensive and too difficult. Why not give them a path to citizenship, let them pay taxes and contribute to society?
mcpaddywhack, no one is trying to take anyone's guns away.
Why are you so afraid?
not afraid at all.......just disgusted with obama the ass.....
fielden, I'll volunteer to drive them to the border! If you think it is too expensive to deport them, how much do you think it is going to be to house, feed, educate, and insure? We will all be paying for MORE of that!! They will not contribute to society, they make so little money that they don't pay taxes, or none that would make a difference. And then they will be able to file tax returns and get back more than they paid in. Then we get to pay for their Obamacare too (which I'm sure our brilliant elected officials haven't even thought about). These people do not want to assimilate into our society. That's why so many of them have been here for decades and still can't speak English. They don't want to!!!!!
This whole thing just makes me sick. We elect these politicians that take an oath to uphold and defend the laws and Constitution of this Country and then they just turn around and spit on it. They only want to do what will get them more money and re-elected. They are supposed to do the will of the people but they never ask what we want. I truly believe if they asked the citizens of this Country if they wanted these illegal aliens granted amnesty the answer would be a resounding NO! And what about the millions of people that have been waiting years to go through the immigration process legally. What does this tell them??? This is a sad, sad, sad day in the Country (and I foresee it getting only worse).
fielden "...these people are here, deporting them would be too expensive and too difficult."
Uh, sorry, but no. When the economy crashed 2008-9, hundreds of thousands "self-deported" back south of the border. Why? No jobs. No jobs = no incentive to be here.
The solution is so simple it's mind numbing. Have the current administration uphold their oath of office and enforce the current immigration laws on the books. That is, start arresting and fining everyone who hires illegals. Soon, no one will hire them. There will be no work for them. Next, have the current administration uphold their oath of office and obey the law of the land and stop aiding and abetting the illegals by providing them with welfare.
There will be no incentive for them to come here, and no incentive for those here to stay. They will self-deport.
Problem solved.
States are quietly examining the voter registration forms and filing the non-citizen voter registrations in a to prosecute file. Democrat and Republican states are doing this.
I am dubious as to the effectiveness of this whole thing. What is to stop more illegals from coming in if/when the border is "secured?" There is already a path to citizenship that the so-many illegals have ignored and now our politicians are chomping at the bit to change.
Probably the biggest true change they could make is to repeal the part of the 14th amendment which gives citizenship to those who are born within the US. I'm sure that would stop lots of folks from coming here, including the Chinese women who arrive here for no other reason than to give birth.
This issue is way bigger than small minds on the right can fathom. They think that if we only build a fence, all of those illegals coming from Mexico will be stopped. As if that is the only country that people are coming here from. There is a bigger picture but I guess it's lost on small minds.
Is Obama the New Boss Tweed?
no ..he is an ass...
...and in the end, he is your President. You can complain and insult him all you want, but his job is still the same. It is not as if he reads these Newsvines and you are hurting his feelings, Mcpaddy
This is amazing. Hard to believe that anyone coud not see this simple logic. Copy the cite and send it to everyone you know.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/rEM4NKXK-iA?feature=player_detailpage
Grant amnesty to those who are here, then SEAL the border, mine the border, [1 mile deep with anti personnel mines] and shoot to kill any survivors.
What about the Canadian border? The harbors? Airports? Dope!
How about a moat with alligators?
Well ,wake me up when Canadians are flooding the boarders and drug wars are raging in Manitoba
What type of gun would you like? Do you want an hourly wage or just be paid by headcount? Would you like a business card ... Scalps-R-Us?
As soon as the southern border becomes unpassable by the drug gangs, how can you not think that they will use Canada next? Don't be silly. They only reason they use the southern border now is because it's cheaper. make it more expensive to use, and they will flock north. It will be like an avalanche.
Dennis,
I am intrigued. Are you referring to Mexican or US drug gangs? If the southern border is indeed sealed - made impassable (an utterly absurd notion) - then how are the Mexican drug gangs going to flock north, avalanche-style? Fleets of fishing pangas? Wouldn't the Canadians take exception to this invasion of their shores? And if it is to US gangs you refer, then wouldn't the flood north somewhat require the co-operation of Canadian gangs to keep the drugs (that are produced south of the southern border) flowing across the northern border?
Fascinating.
Jim...why would you do that to alligators?
Mark in SoCal
Thanks, I resisted posting for fear of seeming biased.
Reality check: Reagan kissed the butts of 3 million illegal immigrants and 12 million more got in line, so what is to stop 20 million from getting in line after this round of butt kissing is over.
If the president or McShame thinks for a minute 12 million will get in line, pay fines, back taxes, get drivers licenses, learn English, get auto and health care insurance and pledge allegiance to America, I have bad news for them. After all the butt kissing and hoopla is over, at least 95% of illegal immigrants will remain illegal.
Make entering America or over staying a visa a felony. And require at least one parent to be an American citizen for a new born to be a citizen
If Dick Cheney was president, we could waterboard all the illegals.
You missed the central point. The legal path for people to enter this country is too hard for unskilled labor. Hell, it took me over three thousand dollars and twelve months to get my wife here, and I married her! She would never have been able to afford to even APPLY for permission to visit. I went to her country, and paid $35 at the border. For her to have come here to visit for no reason would have started with a $350 application request where she would pay the money, and wait six months to find out if she was elegible to apply for an entry visa (another bigassed fee). The reason unskilled laborers come into this nation through the back door is because we have blocked the front door, while hanging out an Unskilled Labor Wanted sign!
Thanks Dennis, that is precisely the point everyone misses. We made legal immigration an insanely expensive and very long, multi-year process, creating a strong incentive for breaking our broken immigration laws.
This country was built by immigrants, back when being an immigrant didn't mean you had to be very wealthy and extremely patient.
For people like Ellis who want to make it even more difficult to become an American, I have an idea: Require all U.S. citizens over 18 to pass the citizenship test. Let's say we give them 4 or 5 tries, like many states do with high school students who must pass mandatory standardized tests in order to graduate. If you can't pass a U.S. citizenship exam after 5 tries, then your citizenship is revoked and you are required to find another country that will accept you.
We would end up deporting 3/4 of all "natural born" American citizens!
Illegals don't want to become legal becuase it will cost them too much money. They like living here illegally. Who wouldn't especially when it's free.
Do you think every illegal immigrant can't speak English? Very ignorant. There are millions who are hard-working and probably speak better English than you. Do you realize how many are college students?
OK, AZskibum, good idea on the test taking. You first. And, no, Frequent male Flyer, we don't realize how many are college students...please tell us. How many? You seem to personally know millions of illegal immigrants who speak better English than me, so you should be able to tell us how many illegal immigrants are college students. Maybe you should take AZskibum's test, too.
No citizenship for illegals. Ever.
And the GOP wonders why they only got 21% of the hispanic vote?
Gosh, woodbutcher...is your world made up entirely of Dems and GOP people?
That's the case for all party members, they believe in there are only 2 cults running the nation, and that their cult is superior.
AmyB those that got deported took the first bus across from Mexico and are here again. Most of the ICE agents didn't even get an evening meal with their families before the illegals were coming back across. We ship 1 out and 5 follow him back across.
It's like trying to swat flies in your house with all the doors and windows open.
Larry, Curly and Moe should run for office.
I thought the GOP primaries WERE that comedy show///
No Bill will be comprehensive unless there is an assurance this will be the end of the invasion. Not fences, drones, National guard or border patrol agents will do the job. The only way to ensure the invasion is over is to make it a class four felony to enter America illegally, or to employ an illegal immigrant, and make jail time of up to 3 years mandatory for a second offense.
cockroach - your avitar and moniker are perfect for you!
What a shocker!
Obama spoke and said nothing. Who would have thunk?
Hope -Change- Best is yet to come-the ones we're waiting for is us- blah blah
Roach...the President could propose a 500 page detailed plan....doesn't mean squat because the Congress writes legislation. Think you need a brush up on civics....
butch,
You obviously didn't read the story, did you?
that's all obama does......walks around flapping his gums as he panders to his base of loony libs, deadbeats, and freeloaders...
Keep pidgeonholing the left into that basket all you want. You are still losing support among the independants, and no matter how hard you guys keep trying to steal the elections, eventually they will just vote the last of your kind out of office, and re-redistrict again. The only hope we have of avoiding one party rule is to gather all the moderates back together under a new party banner, and let the Republicans follow the Whigs into Oblivion.
All politicians, every last one of them speak in a code only they know.
DemocRATS For Illegals
www.legislators-for-illegals.com
YesYes - did you think that up all by your mental midget self? LOL You guys are predictable and so pathetic!
I don't understand you liberals, you act like you are in a trance. This s.o.b' hasn't done one thingin 4 yrs. He is thin skin can't take any criticism. When a republican was in th WH, my g-d the press was after them constantly.He gets the question in advance of a press. NEVER heard of such a thing. Use to think Carter was worse but now I yell come on Jimmy you are not the worse I owe you an apology!!!!!!!!! We have so many people out of work, why in g-d s name do we need all these illegals. The news said their are arabs flying in to south america and then come thru mexico into this country!!!! If we have another 9/11 lay it at the feet of barry and the democrats.
Obama accomplishments: Health care reform, American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, Wall Street reform, ended war in Iraq, drawdown in Afghanistan, eliminated bin Laden, saved auto industry, injected funds to dying banks, repealed "don't ask, don't tell", helped topple Gaddafi, placed pressure on Mubarak, reversed Bush torture policy, greatly improved American image abroad, improved student loan procedures, improved fuel efficiency standards, passed a second mini-stimulus, Iranian sanctions, pressure to close dirty coal-fired plants, credit card reform, improved FDA, new START treaty, tobacco regulation through FDA, fair sentencing act (cocaine), stopped wasting $ on space program, improved school nutrition, regulation of carbon dioxide.....
"Illegal" is NOT a noun; it is an adjective, and, in English, it has NO plural form.
No matter all your childish ramblings, getting past the 8 year puppet regime with G W B asleep at the wheel on 9/11 is still an improvement. After all how long could we continue to send blank checks to Halliburton?