First Thoughts: Obama to embrace Senate deal

Obama expected to embrace Senate deal… The reason Obama is headed to Las Vegas: No state has better epitomized the power of the Latino vote… The Kabuki dance… On Rubio selling reform to the conservative base… On Schumer becoming the Democrats’ dealmaker… And Senate is set to confirm John Kerry as secretary of state.

*** Obama to embrace Senate deal: When President Obama delivers his immigration speech at 2:55 pm ET today in Las Vegas, he will hug the principles that the bipartisan group of senators outlined yesterday. “POTUS will applaud the bipartisan Senate agreement that is very consistent with his long-held view and lay out his vision for immigration reform,” top White House aide Dan Pfeiffer just tweeted. Obama also will call on the Senate to act on the legislation soon. While one publication is reporting that the White House has developed its own immigration-reform plan that’s more liberal than the bipartisan Senate outline, that information is outdated. Had the bipartisan senators NOT acted yesterday, you likely would have seen Obama offer his own plan. But the senators did act, and their plan is the plan. The last thing the White House wants to do is blow up this fragile coalition. As we reported yesterday, the White House floated the idea of doing a more liberal or progressive bill during a meeting with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus last week, as a counter to what was being offered in the Senate, and the CHC shot the idea down. The CHC’s advice to the White House was let the Senate work its will – at least for now. That said, the White House insisted last night to reporters that if the Senate coalition falters and if bill shows signs of dying, the president will step in with his own legislation.

Related: Obama’s vs. Senators’ immigration reform plan: 6 points on what overlaps, what differs

Larry Downing / Reuters

President Barack Obama speaks in the State Dining Room of the White House, Jan. 24, 2013.

*** Vegas, baby: So why is the president giving his speech in Las Vegas? There is no state that better epitomizes the power of the Latino vote in American politics than Nevada. In 2010, Harry Reid won 69% of Latinos in his race against Sharron Angle, according to the exit polls, saving his Senate seat from a GOP that was convinced was theirs for the taking. And two years later, Obama won 71% of that vote -- matching what he received nationwide. The three states that have moved the most dramatically in presidential contests since 2004 have been Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico, and it’s due primarily to the Latino vote in all three states. (New Mexico is not even remotely a purple state anymore.) In Nevada, in particular, Latinos make up 27% of the state’s population and 19% of the voters in the 2012 election. Translation: The Latino influence in the state has even more room to grow.

*** Kabuki dance: While Obama will embrace the bipartisan Senate framework today, one Republican senator who’s part of the deal -- Sen. Lindsey Graham -- was criticizing Obama on FOX last night. “In 2008, he promised comprehensive immigration reform in the first year of his presidency, and it took all the oxygen out of the room,” Graham said. More: “In 2007, when we were trying to do immigration reform, he folded like a cheap suit because labor, the AFL-CIO, got mad at the bill to allow temporary workers... So I don't need a lecture from Barack Obama about bipartisanship; he was never very good at it in the Senate.” Moreover, top Marco Rubio staffers last night tweeted that Obama was “to oppose security and enforcement triggers,” even though the article that was cited never explicitly said that; it simply said Obama “does not favor linking legal status to border security.” So what’s going on here? This is all Kabuki theater to show that these Republicans aren’t in bed with the White House. The best way some Republicans privately believe they have to get more folks on board (or at least to convince some groups not to be overly aggressive AGAINST this plan) is to not look like they are “giving” the president a “win.” Politico also makes this point: “Whether he likes it or not, the president’s top legislative priority rests in the hands of McCain, his former 2008 rival, and Rubio, one of the GOP’s leading candidates to take back the White House in 2016.”

*** On Rubio selling reform to the conservative base: That said, this is an important test for Marco Rubio. He has spent the last several days selling comprehensive immigration to conservatives. And today, he speaks with Rush Limbaugh, who has criticized the bipartisan Senate framework. (“This immigration bill that everybody’s touting on TV is essentially the Bush immigration bill that was beat back in 2007,” Limbaugh said yesterday.) One of Ronald Reagan’s great talents was selling compromise to his party -- and declaring victory. Can Rubio pull this off, especially on an issue that base conservatives have opposed in the past two presidential elections? Rubio’s job with Limbaugh isn’t to convince him to sign on; we’re not sure that’s possible. What Rubio’s goal is today is to convince Limbaugh not to aggressively be AGAINST what he’s doing. If he can pull this off, it will be quite the feather in his hat as we get closer and closer to 2016 -- and perhaps show Rubio has some Reagan-like political skills.

*** On Schumer becoming the Democrats’ dealmaker: For those who closely follow American politics, Chuck Schumer is an easy target to mock. The running joke, for years, has been that the most dangerous place in DC is to be between Schumer and a TV camera. Perhaps lost in this caricature, however, is that Schumer has become the Democrats’ mover and shaker on key legislation -- dare we say the most effective dealmaker on the Democratic side of the aisle right now. On immigration, he’s reaching across the aisle to work with John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Marco Rubio. And on guns, the legislation that has the best chance of passage is Schumer’s (on universal background checks) where he just might MIGHT convince Republican Tom Coburn to come on aboard his bill. What made Ted Kennedy a lion of the Senate was that he had influence with his Democratic colleagues (if he was backing something, they had cover to get on board) but also the ability to reach across the aisle. And so it’s worth asking: Is Chuck Schumer the closest thing to that right now? And we haven’t even touched on how relentless (and effective) Schumer has been the Senate Democrats’ de facto political director. Is there anyone better at candidate recruiting and clearly primary fields right now than Schumer?

*** Senate set to confirm Kerry: In non-immigration news, U.S. Senate today is expected to vote on John Kerry’s nomination to be secretary of state, and he’s a sure bet to win an easy confirmation. As one of us reported yesterday, if Kerry is confirmed and if his letter of resignation is received tomorrow, Massachusetts will set the special general election for June 25 -- with the primaries to take place on April 30. Also, Gov. Deval Patrick (D) is expected to announce his pick of an interim senator to fill the seat until the special election.

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The object of the game here is to get the Latino vote at any cost from either party.

  • 5 votes
Reply#391 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:13 PM EST

Why doesn't the GOP just let more 55-105 old white males into the country?

That's the base, just find a way to get more old white males into the country and then you can say to hell with women, and minorities and trample on their rights as you please.

Duh.

    #391.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:17 PM EST

    Yep, it's like watching the Vegas strip at night and seeing all the hookers out there trying to sling their goods...

    • 3 votes
    #391.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:17 PM EST

    Sense,

    Why do you hate and denigrate old people, whites and males?

    Wow, you are a racist and a bigot at the same time. Typical.

    • 5 votes
    #391.3 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:21 PM EST

    Common Sense- 4 U both parties are to blame here each side doesn't not want to play with the other side nicely and what they need is a blankie time.

      #391.4 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:22 PM EST

      NC-

      That is the typical liberal bait and switch. If you say something they don't like you are a racist!

      • 3 votes
      #391.5 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:25 PM EST
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      obama is the best gun salesman the country has ever seen! I wonder if he gets a commission? hahahahaha

      • 3 votes
      Reply#392 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:15 PM EST

      Ok we read the headlines. now Exactly what is being discussed, we know about the frame work, we know about reaching across the isles, Now explain exact terms and what is going to happen, is obama going to just give the country to imigrants, how much money will it cost them, how much will it cost me personaly, at what point do the illegals become citizens and how. Enough of the bullcrap political talk. reaching across isles and moving foward. lets hear facts and numbers. otherwise shut up and find someone else to read your political hype.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#393 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:15 PM EST

      I'm not watching the speech, because I know that nothing will be said.

      Hope, change, the best is yet to come, comprehensive plan blah blah blah

      • 4 votes
      #393.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:23 PM EST
      Reply

      The secret service is searching for a copy of Skeet Shooting For Dummies if anybody has a copy for sale! hahahaha

      • 1 vote
      Reply#394 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:17 PM EST

      Right after you show a copy of your green card.

        #394.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:21 PM EST

        If I needed a green card I would be kissing obama's *ss like you!

        http://www.nyskeet.com/web10/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62&Itemid=27

        Closest thing I could find on short notice!

        • 1 vote
        #394.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:25 PM EST
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        Seems each and every thing that the country faces the republican base just takes the opposite stance.

        Truth is President Obama has addressed the immigration issue and there are less illegals crossing the border than ever. While the Republicans luv to bi t ch about it but do nothing at all to tackle the issue.

        There have been more deportations in Pres Obams first 4 yrs than all of G Bushes 8 yrs.

        So go ahead and keep the rediculousness up.

        Its working well for yas. LOL

          Reply#395 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:20 PM EST

          Johnny-3621820

          The democrats are guilty of the same exact thing aren't they?

          • 1 vote
          #395.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:24 PM EST

          Yeah but Obama deporting more illegals than Bush did in double the time is just his way of spending more money.

          Beefing up border security so that far less illegals have crossed the border than under Bush is just big government.

          I'm a right winger and I will never stand up for an issue, only take the exact opposite side of our president.

          hahahahahhahahahahahahahha

            #395.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:26 PM EST

            and there are less illegals crossing the border than ever

            Because the economy is in the sh*tter, they don't want to come! Obobo won't even let Arizona keep them out. He SUED one of the states to stop them from enforcing US law! But, you're right, he's doing a great job keeping them out of the country.

            • 2 votes
            #395.3 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:26 PM EST

            If our economy sucks would you come from another country to get a job here?

              #395.4 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:26 PM EST

              Many come here for some obama money, health care and phones.

              • 2 votes
              #395.5 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:28 PM EST

              Johnny- Maybe you haven't heard but, there are far less jobs for illegals because of the economy and Obama only deports felons (drug and people traffickers). So, over the last four years we have had more deportations of felons and fewer illegal workers trying to enter. You can spin it however you want.

                #395.6 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:30 PM EST

                A year after Border Patrol apprehensions of illegal border crossers plunged to the lowest levels in nearly 40 years, agents have seen a slight increase in arrests, according to Border Patrol arrest data obtained by The Associated Press.

                This is from another article on MSN. So Obama hasn't been the great enforcer all these liberal nuts claim.

                • 1 vote
                #395.7 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:32 PM EST
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                We also need to Stop ILLEGAL immigration! They're not just doing jobs that Americans don't want. Do they pay taxes? Don't get me wrong most of these people work very hard, but are a drain on the system if they don't pay taxes, have healthcare coverage, learn the language or get paid wages that are in line with their American counterparts. Who's footing the bill for the education of their children and the infrastructure around them? We all know that the health care provided to uninsured illegals here in the states is being averaged into our hospital costs and our insurance premiums, which have PROPORTIONATELY increased along with illegal immigration over the last 20 years? These costs are also being passed along to Medicaid and Medicare, which means that not only are they increasing our insurance premiums, but that we're paying for them again with our tax dollars.

                Our tax dollars and insurance premiums should not be used to recoup the cost of healthcare given to illegal immigrants, who shouldn't even be here in our country in the first place.

                To the people that disagree, we should ask them should this: If a few illegal immigrants knocked on your door and demanded that you pay some medical bills for them, would you pay them?

                Just look around and you'll see who's doing 90% of the residential renovations, construction and property maintenance jobs. That's certainly what we're seeing in the northeast. These are not just jobs that Americans don't want.

                Unfortunately the hiring of cheap illegal labor causes a chain reaction. The contractors who hire cheap, uninsured, non-taxpaying, ILLEGAL aliens undercut the contractors who hire US Citizens or Legal immigrants. Even if the contractor wants to continue to employ US Citizens or Legal tax-paying immigrants, they end up replacing their Legal employees with illegals just to be able to get the jobs.

                Let's get good productive ILLEGAL Aliens into the system and paying federal and state income tax or get them out and not let more in unless they come in as Legal Immigrants.

                But let's send the bad ILLEGAL Aliens back to where they came in.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#396 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:21 PM EST

                No illegals for any reason!!!!

                • 4 votes
                #396.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:23 PM EST

                Make them apply for legal visas and or U.S. citizenship, but if they don't get it - they get out.

                • 3 votes
                #396.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:57 PM EST
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                The Cockroach In Chief is raiding LEGAL American Families Pantries and Cash Stash!

                LEFTIES Wake Up - He's doing It To your Families Too !

                Maybe you like this Filthy Insect Invading your Home but, We People with Common Sense Do Not Like It One Bit !

                So Go Ahead ................... Call Me A RACIST BIGOT - You LIBERAL BITCHES - I Don't ReallY Care !

                OBAMA Needs To Be Indicted For Criminal Activity against The Constitution and against the People Of the USA !

                • 3 votes
                Reply#397 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:24 PM EST

                did you just put yourself and common sense in the same sentance?

                Wow

                What a NancyBoy.

                • 1 vote
                #397.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:25 PM EST

                Yes, you are a racist biggot and you don't care.

                Do a holes care about being a holes?

                Of course not....That's why they're a holes.

                DUH
                Ohhh, and when Obama is done "raiding your pantry" I hope you have some good food and booze and that he brings it to my house to we can eat, drink and laugh at the free food we got from an a hole.

                hahahhahahahahahahhahahaha

                  #397.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:28 PM EST

                  Johnny

                  This is how you spell "sentence".

                  • 2 votes
                  #397.3 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:28 PM EST

                  Yeah johnny

                  joemama might not know much about reality....

                  But he's a stickler for spelling.

                  Hahhahahahahahhahahahhahahah

                  Dangle a preposition and you'll get an earful.

                    #397.4 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:32 PM EST

                    If you are going to run your dumpster at least attempt to spell correctly.

                    • 1 vote
                    #397.5 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:35 PM EST
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                    I thought this string was about imigration???? Whats up with all the other stuff on here?? You all realize that in 25 years, the hispanic population will be the majority. I think that is absolutely fantastic. From my experience I have found hispanic people to be hard working, very religious (which will really screw over you liberal pukes), family oriented (screwed again, aren't you), anti abortion (wow..again screwed). That is all a good thing but an even better thing is the same people whinning about how disadvantaged they are and want more free stuff will still be the minority, right behind the hispanics, whites, and asians and still looking for free stuff. I wonder why that is?? Always seem to be bringing up the rear. Any thoughts....probably not but I thought I would ask.

                      Reply#398 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:24 PM EST

                      No, Hispanics will not be the majority in 25 years. Whites will no longer be the overwhelming single majority at that time but still the largest group.

                      Also note that we will have assimilated them by then. The ethnic lines will blur.

                        #398.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:43 PM EST
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                        NC-492358

                        Sense,

                        Why do you hate and denigrate old people, whites and males?

                        Wow, you are a racist and a bigot at the same time. Typical.

                        Most liberals are angry, hate filled racist/bigots. We need to make sure they don't get assault rifles.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#399 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:26 PM EST

                        Huh?

                        Rush Limbaugh....Happy guy?

                        John Stewart, Stephen Colbert..........

                        Reason there are no right wing comedy shows......

                        You ain't too bright are you?

                          #399.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:35 PM EST

                          Because the state of the country is no joking matter.

                          • 2 votes
                          #399.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:38 PM EST

                          And liberals ARE a joke. It is that they are just bad jokes.

                          • 1 vote
                          #399.3 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:44 PM EST

                          But you are a joking matter.

                            #399.4 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:44 PM EST
                            Reply

                            Learning English is now considered as part of their punishment.

                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#400 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:28 PM EST

                            New Languages dominating the Land - OLA & Allah AKBAR'

                              Reply#401 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:30 PM EST

                              Immigration reform: there is not one thing being done about women coming into United States and having babies , or men coming into United States making American women pregnant and having U.S. children, qualifying them fast track green cards to stay in the United States. These illegals they have more and more children qualifying them for more and more government assistance, and then illegals have two and three families related to each other living together combining their assistance, and going out working for tax-free cash only.

                              Gaming the American taxpayer assistance system in every way they possibly can.

                              Pres. Obama wants to give these illegals ""Amnesty"", so they can continue gaming the taxpayer system.

                              Hundreds of millions of state TAX dollars each year.

                              Pres. Obama was talking about this Mexican National named Alan, does he have a U.S. Born anchor baby I bet he does.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#402 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:30 PM EST

                              Most Americans do not want this.

                              And please stop spinning this as reform it is not it is amnesty.

                              These are not "undocumented aliens" they did not forget their resident alien cards at home. They never had one or it has expired.

                              Now you can not deport all these people logistically it is impossible.

                              So how do you not reward these people that broke the law yet still let them stay?

                              And let's not forget ALL of those immigrants that did follow the law and came legally LIKE MY PARENTS DID! Proud to be an American and a law abiding citizen.

                              La ley es la ley. ----- The law is the law.

                              How do you not call my parents fools for playing by the rules?

                              A very tough assignment for America's worse President.

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#403 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:35 PM EST

                              You start by building a wall. A big one!

                              All those Mexicans who traveled for days by bus, to get to American embassies in Mexico, to fill out proper paper work, were FOOLS, also.

                              • 1 vote
                              #403.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:42 PM EST

                              So step one secure the border. okay agreed.

                              and it does seem my parents were fools agreed.

                              next?

                                #403.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:46 PM EST
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                                For many illegal immigrants here this is the only country they have ever known they were born here through no choice of their own or brought here with their parents when they were very young, what do you do about them? The reason you see so many blacks and latinos on shows like cops is to keep the public afraid of them, keeping segregation in full operation.

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#404 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:35 PM EST

                                That is government sponsored segregation. Why do you think they are always spouting diversity?

                                  #404.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:40 PM EST

                                  The reason you them on so many shows (KUAT and KGUN News) in southern AZ is because they commit so many crimes. Spin it how you want but they commit A LOT of crime here.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #404.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:45 PM EST

                                  If you want a grant to expeirment with medical marijuana for positive use you won't get one but say its for negative effects and you will.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #404.3 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:45 PM EST
                                  myname123Deleted

                                  myname123 I don't agree with you there we keep the races segregated as much as possible and now several schools have gone back to segregated class rooms, this isn't progress its far from it. Were not learning anything from the past except how to exploit it.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #404.5 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:52 PM EST
                                  myname123Deleted

                                  Fru, you're half right except you blame it all on whites. I live in Southern Arizona, next to the Mexican border and you don't know what goes on here. Want to see discrimination? Go into ANY Latino owned business down here and you may see a white hostess but you'll NEVER see a black person working. Same goes with the construction, landscaping etc. I see all Mexican crews all the time.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #404.7 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:59 PM EST

                                  soazDan I wasn't blaming it on whites either and as I said I live 30 miles West of Tucson so I don't know what goes on here?

                                    #404.8 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:10 PM EST

                                    Fru, fair enough. Maybe I interpreted it wrong. You see much of the same things as I do then. Winter came on strong here this morning!

                                      #404.9 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:35 PM EST
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                                      "Obama's speech, and a separate fact sheet handed out by the White House, made clear that the administration does not want to link the path to citizenship to border enforcement."

                                      There you have it! He shows again he isn't going to compromise even if congress does. Don't call republicans the party of no on this one!

                                        Reply#405 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:37 PM EST

                                        Both sides are guilty

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #405.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:38 PM EST
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                                        So this is what Democrats and Republicans can agree upon ? Amnesty for illegal Mexicans !!!!! They arrest all Cubans, Haitians and Chinese illegals and sent them back to their countries, but not the Chosen Ones. Their children are given citizenship and the adults are Rewarded for their crimes against America. Only Americans are punished for their crimes ( 92 million have records and more Americans are behind bars than any other country). Welcome to the new America !!! Oh wait ... I mean Northern Mexico.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        Reply#406 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:38 PM EST

                                        So when Pres Obama kills Bin Laden it wasnt him it was Bushes intelligence.

                                        When Pres Obama does a better job with the immigration issue its because no one wants to come here?

                                        You Right Wing nut cases are cute.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#407 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:39 PM EST

                                        Cute? Was that you peeping in my window?

                                        Why would you come here if you cant get a job?

                                          #407.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:41 PM EST

                                          OBAMA and OSAMA are Brothers in Sunni religion .

                                          Obama would never have Osama killed - Period Point Blank !

                                          OSAMA was not killed in any raid - It's All A Fabricated Lie WAKE UP !

                                            #407.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:43 PM EST

                                            A year after Border Patrol apprehensions of illegal border crossers plunged to the lowest levels in nearly 40 years, agents have seen a slight increase in arrests, according to Border Patrol arrest data obtained by The Associated Press.

                                            I guess he didn't do a better job. He also said he would propose his legislation in the first year of his first term, guess he wasn't that concerned then. Whereas now, he said he was going to focus on jobs, jobs, jobs. Guess not.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #407.3 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:43 PM EST

                                            Who says they cant get a job? there is still plenty of farmhand picking work in this country.

                                            Still much better chance here than in Mexico.

                                            I thought you nutsos are complaining that they can still come here and get on welfare?

                                            Your arguments on everything cant hold water.

                                            If you could put your racism and hate aside you might be able to think sttraight.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #407.4 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:44 PM EST
                                            myname123Deleted

                                            No one said anything hateful or racist. This is how you spell "straight".

                                              #407.6 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:48 PM EST

                                              Joe Mama, there's a segemnt of posters (or imposters) in here who claim everything said by anyone who disagrees with them is racist.

                                                #407.7 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:53 PM EST

                                                soazDan I have no idea what goes on there? I live 30 miles West of Tucson out in the desert.

                                                  #407.8 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:08 PM EST

                                                  Dan, that's racist.

                                                    #407.9 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:10 PM EST
                                                    Reply

                                                    Expect our taxes to go up as well have to provide for food stamps and Obamacare and other benefits.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    Reply#408 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:41 PM EST

                                                    Expect?! Mine already has gone up!

                                                      #408.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:42 PM EST

                                                      Everyone got a temporary SS and medicare tax cut.

                                                      It's over.

                                                      You got a tax cut not a tax increase.

                                                      If you make over $450k then your top bracket also went up, which is a tax increase.

                                                      Overall taxes are lower than under Reagan.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #408.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:47 PM EST
                                                      myname123Deleted

                                                      But the dear leader said no tax increases for the middle class. If your tax amount went up that is a increase isn't it?

                                                        #408.4 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:50 PM EST

                                                        He was talking about the income tax rate, not the payroll taxes. Allowing the payroll tax holiday to expire was a bi-partisian decision and an indication of a slowly recovering economy.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        #408.5 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:54 PM EST

                                                        Joe mama I'd like to see someone explain that to my neighbor why the amount of her pay check dropped over $120 a month due to taxes taken out and around here that's a lot of money.

                                                          #408.6 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:55 PM EST

                                                          Nope, the tax decrease was temporary.

                                                          If your boss gives you a bonus then it's a bonus, not a pay cut when you don't get the next bonus.

                                                          Simple to understand unless you're a brainless idiot.

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #408.7 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:56 PM EST
                                                          myname123Deleted

                                                          Sorry to let you down here but it was taxes taken out and two it wasn't my pay check it is permanent just wait until after Obamacare fully kicks in and watch the taxes go up. The people who still won't be able to afford healthcare will now not only have a huge hospital bill to pay for but also a fine to pay. Now how much sense does that make. What makes them think if someone cannot afford healthcare how are they suppose to afford a fine? Republicans or Democrats in office it's about screwing the poor and middle class.

                                                            #408.9 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:04 PM EST

                                                            A bonus is a bonus, and a increase is a increase.

                                                              #408.10 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:30 PM EST

                                                              You are assuming that uninsured people cannot afford their own insurance, which is not necessarily true. This will simply remove those who insist loudly on their individual rights to cover up the fact that they are basically on the dole themselves.

                                                              For others, who genuinely cannot afford it, there will be subsidies, graduated to incomes. That may be off-set by the larger pool of insured of all ages, reducing the risk, while broadening access.

                                                              Same basic principle is why a large, prosperous middle class is conducive toward rising incomes for everyone. Obama didn't invent it; Henry Ford did. Costs come down and wages and benefits go up. Works wonders for the expansion of capitalism. You'll like it.

                                                                #408.11 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:37 PM EST

                                                                Jo mamma,

                                                                Interesting... She make more than 80k a year? Must be to see that kind of money taken out. I'm guessing at 80k a year, she probably isn't really missing it. And it was a temporary decrease. So no, not a tax increase.

                                                                  #408.12 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:41 PM EST
                                                                  myname123Deleted
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                                                                  I sure hope the Republicans learned their lesson about making deals with the shiester democrats. Back when Reagan made a deal in exchange for granting 3million immigrants amnesty, the Democrats agreed to help support securing the border and cracking down on employers. Well BIG SURPRISE, the democrats got what they wanted, and cheap skated out of their part of the deal in exchange for minority votes. There are no deals of good faith in American politics.

                                                                  NO DEALS with the Democrats! STICK TO YOUR CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES! SCREW OBAMA, NO AMNESTY!!! BIPARTISAN CONSERVATIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM is what we need. LET THEM STAY, BUT NO WELFARE, NO FREE HEALTHCARE, NO ENTITLEMENTS, NO VOTING!!!!!!!! IMMIGRATION REFORM DOES NOT GO WITHOUT WELFARE REFORM!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                  You got here, You got a job, shut up, work, and don't ask the tax payer for a damn thing, and if you start getting froggy, you're ass is going for a swim in the Rio.

                                                                    Reply#409 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:48 PM EST

                                                                    lol, the very idea that the current republicans are conservative at all is ludicrous, says every sector of the independent voting blocks.

                                                                      #409.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:16 PM EST

                                                                      wishful thinking I guess patrick.

                                                                        #409.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:29 PM EST
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                                                                        It's gonna take nothing short of a terrorist attack coming from across the border to get obama to wake up!

                                                                        And I am sure after fast and furious there are many Mexicans who would think we deserve it!

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                                                                        Reply#410 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:48 PM EST

                                                                        What kind of terrorist attack are you talking about to make Obama "Wake up"?

                                                                        Or do you even know what you're talking about?

                                                                        No....You have no idea, just a paranoid partisan freak.

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                                                                        #410.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:51 PM EST

                                                                        What in h*ll difference would it make what kind of an attack it was! moron

                                                                        Or did you mean if a video caused it?

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                                                                        #410.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:57 PM EST

                                                                        That's what everyone said before 9/11 too. Don't be so damn naive. Do you not realize that 9/11 proved that anyhing is possible with islamic terrorism, and we should never leave a gaping vulnerability left open?!?!?!

                                                                        If AQ planted a cell here that took the time to educate themselves in our own institutions, and live here among us, counting down the years and days they would strike, HOW IN THE F can you really believe that the border is not a threat.

                                                                        Did you not hear about the cartel and iranian islamic revolutionary guard coersion against the saudi ambassador?

                                                                        I guess you're one of those who believes that illegals only use their fruadulant documnets to work and not vote, even though the same fruad documents could be used to get a voter ID card.

                                                                        AFter 9/11, how could we the United States of America leave such a vulnerability to our soveriegnty and security?!?!?! WE ARE A COUNTRY WITHOUT BORDERS! HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL?

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                                                                        #410.3 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:59 PM EST

                                                                        izamyt

                                                                        You seemed to have something in mind you ass clown freak.

                                                                          #410.4 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:05 PM EST

                                                                          "It's gonna take nothing short of a terrorist attack coming from across the border to get obama to wake up!

                                                                          And I am sure after fast and furious there are many Mexicans who would think we deserve it!"

                                                                          And you deduced that how? Was it the Benghazi video that invoked your delusions?

                                                                            #410.5 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:13 PM EST
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                                                                            OBAMA sends Out The DRONES over cities To LOCATE GOOD LAW ABIDING AMERICANS CITIZENS WHO Are Trying To Defend The USA and Constitution and Are Armed With 2nd Amendment Right Weapons ?

                                                                            Round Em Up And Place Them In Your CAMPS O' RADICAL TRAITOR !IN CHIEF !

                                                                              Reply#411 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:50 PM EST

                                                                              Ah, really? Do you have a source on that program?

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                                                                              #411.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:51 PM EST

                                                                              Huh?

                                                                              Did you smoke a big bag of clueless today?

                                                                              ahahahhahahahahahhahahahahha

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                                                                              #411.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:53 PM EST

                                                                              You Guys are Missing The Question Mark aren't you ?

                                                                                #411.3 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:54 PM EST

                                                                                Everyone is missing luckyboy for sure.

                                                                                The question marks are.......What is this dude posting?

                                                                                ahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahha

                                                                                  #411.4 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:58 PM EST
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                                                                                  Does anyone know what happened to Barrack Obama's illegal alien uncle that was charged with DUI in Massachusetts?

                                                                                  If he is was/is guilty does that prevent him from staying?

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                                                                                  Reply#412 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:51 PM EST

                                                                                  Most Americans do not want this.

                                                                                  And please stop spinning this as reform it is not it is amnesty.

                                                                                  These are not "undocumented aliens" they did not forget their resident alien cards at home. They never had one or it has expired.

                                                                                  Now you can not deport all these people logistically it is impossible.

                                                                                  So how do you not reward these people that broke the law yet still let them stay?

                                                                                  And let's not forget ALL of those immigrants that did follow the law and came legally LIKE MY PARENTS DID! Proud to be an American and a law abiding citizen.

                                                                                  La ley es la ley. ----- The law is the law.

                                                                                  How do you not call my parents fools for playing by the rules?

                                                                                  A very tough assignment for America's worse President.

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                                                                                  Reply#413 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:53 PM EST

                                                                                  victor

                                                                                  I'll bet you drove a car faster than the legal limit recently.

                                                                                  You should be deported for breaking the law

                                                                                    #413.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:01 PM EST

                                                                                    No, Common Sense 4u

                                                                                    love that btw when someone disagrees with you they say you have "no, common sense" so accurate when dealing with a lib

                                                                                    My parents immigrated here LEGALLY and eventually became citizens so even they could not be deported.

                                                                                    Anyhow I was born here unlike OUR President.

                                                                                    And finally to complete your education for today

                                                                                    speeding is not a felony.

                                                                                    Another progressive liberal Obamatron exposed as uniformed.

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                                                                                    #413.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:04 PM EST

                                                                                    ooooook, ignoring the senseless commoner....

                                                                                    Here is how we fix it without actually loading them up and deporting them....ENTITLEMENT REFORM!!!

                                                                                    no welfare, no healthcare, no entitlements, no benefits, no retirement, no ss, NOTHING, ZILCH. If they come into the hospital with an emergency, we'll treat them, and send them back to Mexico. If their illegal child is deathly ill, we'll treat them and send them back to Mexico.

                                                                                    They can stay, They can work, they can send their money to Mexico, but NOTHING else!

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                                                                                    #413.3 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:10 PM EST

                                                                                    So victor is a birther!

                                                                                    hahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahhaha

                                                                                    You paranoid a holes haven't gone away yet?

                                                                                    hahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha

                                                                                      #413.4 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:10 PM EST

                                                                                      CVPDude

                                                                                      that is actually the best route

                                                                                      probationary Green Cards, no tax payer subsidies for 4 years

                                                                                      like a LEGAL immigrant

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                                                                                      #413.5 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:12 PM EST

                                                                                      No common sense I am not a birther

                                                                                      I am simply willing to show my birth certificate.

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                                                                                      #413.6 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:13 PM EST

                                                                                      Saying 'Anyhow I was born here unlike OUR President.' doesn't mean you think that Obama wasn't born in the US?

                                                                                      Maybe it's some kind of code for who's gonna win the Super Bowl.

                                                                                      Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket.

                                                                                        #413.7 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:28 PM EST
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                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

                                                                                        obama is a two faced islamic liar !

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                                                                                        Reply#414 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:53 PM EST

                                                                                        feel better?

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                                                                                        #414.1 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:56 PM EST

                                                                                        Go buy some guns and whack off to your Rush poster.....

                                                                                        You'll feel better.

                                                                                        hahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahaha

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                                                                                        #414.2 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:59 PM EST

                                                                                        Cry harder!

                                                                                          #414.3 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:59 PM EST
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                                                                                          Validate all these Illegals and they'll send home for more ! IDIOTS In White House - Senate and Congress !

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                                                                                          Reply#415 - Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:56 PM EST
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