It's more than obvious that at the recent Republican retreat the party figured they had better quickly suck up to the Latino population if they wanted to make any headway with them in elections. What they fail to realize, that while this is a great step forward in a pathway to legalization for the Latino population, the Latino population is not filled with a bunch of "dumb Mexicans" who will be easily fooled into thinking that the Republican party has had a "Come to Jesus" moment in their party and now truly want to be friends with the Latino Community. Please, Latino Community, don't be fooled by their new found call for immigration reform. They have ulterior motives, you can be sure of that.

Even the blind could see through this.

"It is not beneficial to this country to have these people here, hidden in the shadows," added McCain..."

Why are they in "the shadows"? Could it be because they entered the country illegally?

I'm against "amnesty" because I believe it only serves to encourge more illegal entry into the United States.

In fact, the ONLY thing I am for is "lawful" entry into the United States.

Should we secure our borders? Absolutely, and not just because it's an entry way for illegal latinos, it's because anybody in the world can creep through there AND through our Canadian border.

Can't wait to see what these wonderful people will do once they get their hands on America's nuclear weapons!

You mean, when they join the military, take a oath the defend the Constitution, and then work their way up the ranks?

Got news for you...there are ALREADY plenty of minorities in the US military. We already trust them to guard us. A few more Americans of Hispanic descent aren't going to change anything.

TO: Obama's Liars who wrote:

"... Mexicans are the enemies of the American people."

How and when did that happen, and why?

I am sure that all these negative comments about Republicans is really encouraging them to vote bipartisan.Obama proved you can get more Bees with honey than vinegar.Some of you here online might want to give that a try too.

I guess you were asleep in American History 101 when they gloss over the fact that Mexican soldiers murdered American immigrants in Texas 1836. REMEMBER THE ALAMO?

Have you looked at a calendar lately?

Press 1 for english. Press 2 for Spanish...No, I'm not making racial comments...You hear it everyday.

Obama's Liars - so now you're holding something that happened in 1836 against immigrants. Well isn't that special. I won't say how completely stupid you are because it isn't necessary!

@Obama's Liars#1.13: Gwaddamn!

Everything sounds great and looks promising just one question how does that many millions of people at once eventually coming on the medicaid, medicare, obamacare and social security roles get paid for? I just hope they figure that out why they are at it. Just a thought.

Please don't feed the professional re-regger - his time is very limited here! ;o)

Awww. He's funny.

Don't forget that Texas was a mexican province before they started letting Americans move in.just sayin

Feisty - were you using a stopwatch on Obama Lies???? Wow! You sure know how to call 'em!

Republicans in the House will go along this bill as long Democrats do not reward illegals with path to citizenship. Citizenship is a privilege not a right and crosing the border ilegally they lost their chance , only legals immigrants can have this right. Permanent residence is all they need in order to work stay in the country , visit their families abroad but no right to vote . Close the border and declare illegal to provide help and benefits to illegals, end the sanctuary places.

American Girl-724855:

it happened when the Mexican President said that Mexico would get the US back by sneaking people in and teaching them how to get on US welfare, housing, etc. (this is a paraphrase), it happened when you can go to CA and there are TV programs in Spanish that teach you how to do this kind of thing, it happened when Mexicans can come here and argue that they should be treated in our hospitals and have are tax dollars pay for it because they Deserve it, when they will argue with a social worker that they should get food stamps and housing because they squeezed a kid out while in this country illegally.

TO: Obama's Liars who wrote:

"... Mexicans are the enemies of the American people."

How and when did that happen, and why?

chloe - you're not even close to correct but go ahead and spout your lies.

oskar - they are talking a program where children who were brought her illegally but have spent at least 5 years here will have a path to citizenship either through serving in the military, partitipating in volunteer programs which help the country, etc. They will be able to become full citizens with the right to vote, etc. It's only fair since they had no choice in coming here and have done nothing wrong while here.

backhouse

The U.S. border has never been more protected than it is now. Border security has never been addressed more aggressively than by this Administration.

We cannot wait for the "more, more, more on the border" delay tactic - that GOP has used so many times

The only reason why the illegal immigration went down is because there is no job , and illegals are self deporting until our economy gets better, then we will have those illegals coming back.

"It is not beneficial to this country have these people here, hidden in the shadows," added McCain..."

They are not " Hidden in the shadows". Come to my local Home Depot any day and find at least 200 of 'em right out in the open jumping on the hood of your car or van looking for work. Laughing at us. A friend of mine who speaks fluent Spanish says whenever the immigration subject comes up on a job site, he hears them mocking America saying things like: " Don't worry. They don't have the balls to throw us out". They apparently are right.

SeekingSanity

oskar - they are talking a program where children who were brought her illegally but have spent at least 5 years here will have a path to citizenship

At least read the article before make comments

"Speaking at a press conference on Monday on Capitol Hill, five of the eight members of a bipartisan working group announced the contours of their agreement, which would shore up America's borders and provide an eventual path to citizenship for undocumented workers"

Paul Ryan said the President is trying to destroy the Republican party, I thought it was the tea movement that did that !!!

Now the tea bag movement is saying they will block the immigration bill, yet the GOP wants to approve it - this Tea-Koch movement is navigating the Republican party down a slippery slope !!!

oskar - I clearly read the article. You've posted nothing to dispute my post.

Don't feed the troll, Am. Girl. It's not worth it.

TO: wolfhound27 who wrote:

"I am sure that all these negative comments about Republicans is really encouraging them to vote bipartisan.Obama proved you can get more Bees with honey than vinegar.Some of you here online might want to give that a try too."

Keep on spouting off all the B.S. you like, cause Republicans are making a whole lot of new friends (NOT).

Granting rewards for immigration lawbreaking is neither fair, moral, nor a remotely appropriate course of governance. To the contrary, granting rewards and special treatment to those who violated our laws with impunity puts LEGAL immigrants (who went through a background check, paid a high price, and waited the wait to come to the U.S.) in a far worse position than the despicable ILLEGAL immigrants and the abhorrent lawbreaking businesses who hire them. This is entirely back-ass. Americans (including this life-long Democrat) are against rewards and special treatment for immigration lawbreaking because the cost is catastrophic (take LA County for example where apps. 22% of CalWorks recipients are ILLEGAL immigrants who rely upon government support for their anchor babies).

Reagan's 1986 amnesty is Exhibit A that granting rewards and special treatment for immigration lawbreaking will only serve to incentivize exponentially millions more selfish lawbreakers emboldened with ENTITLE-ITIS in 10 more years.

THIS IS A DESPICABLE ACT OF POLITICAL PANDERING and a complete INSULT to American citizens and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Further, this pandering eliminates the notion that everyone must play by the same rules. In fact, it reinforces the notion that some people (in this case the selfish ILLEGALS) are entitled to be above the laws by which appx. 1 million LEGAL immigrants play every year! THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE and promotes corruption by which those abiding by the law (including businesses) are at a competitive disadvantage when compared to their lawbreaking counterparts.

A GOVERNMENT THAT VIOLATES ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

TO: oskar-1391552 who wrote:

"Republicans in the House will go along this bill as long Democrats do not reward illegals with path to citizenship..."

President Obama has deported more illegal aliens in the history of the United States.

Republicans, on the other hand, are trying to "play nice" in order to get more of the Latino vote in the next election, but there can be no doubt that Republicans can't stand ANYBODY who is in any way "different" then them.

Well it seems that somewhere behind all that obstructionist repugnican bluff & bluster about making themselves all likable and what-not Without giving an inch on policy and core belief was someone that actually admits to understanding simple math!!!!

Now they're morphed overnight from the slugs they are into little Gung-Ho Bi=Partisan energizer bunnies of progress regarding immigration reform!! Two-faced little concubines for the wealthy painted up and put on the streets as if WE wanted to buy some!...

Sorry Lady-boys, no sale... I Know what you did last Summer.

@SeekingSanity:

if any one is lying here it's you. the Mexican presidents comments are easily found on-line, but i understand trolls like you might have difficulty with that as you are too busy typing stupid things on blogs.

Sorry, but I forgot to mention that Latino voters are waaaaay more savvy than your little 'Merkin minority... Obama will be credited by them for forcing you onto your knees on the immigration front. It won't matter what you do or how you do it while you're down there. Any Latino vote you pick up will have a hundred others pointing and laughing at it in disbelief.

Have fun with that. Any other way you can come up with to shovel dirt at your own funeral?

chloe - you are delusional and prove it with every post.

chick - it's useless to try to even "communicate" with the likes of chloe, DrAlchemy, bubba. Clearly they are cleaning the gutters today and the trash managed to find computers to play on - that's the only explanation for how low IQ these guys are.

Going into a client meeting - then home! Have a great evening!

George Bush put out a comprehensive bill in 2007 that even Sen. Obama voted for but it was defeated. This plan incorporates many of those ideas so I hope it passes this time, because if anybody believes we are going to going to deport or put 12 million people in prison they are crazy.

F*ck Reid and his bipartisanship. If Obama and the dems insist on cramming amnesty for illegals down America's throat, let them do it themselves and take the credit and the wrath of the voters.

The only thing that's crazy is the pledge that we're going to demonstrate our commitment to enforce our laws in the future by pledging rewards and special treatment for lawbreaking now-- a COMPLETE ABSURDITY!

This will only serve to invite further non-enforcement, furture pledges to reward lawbreaking, and will serve to incentivize exponentially millions more lawbreakers in the future claiming ENTITLEMENT to be above the very laws by which 1 MILLION LEGAL IMMIGRANTS play each year! How many more poor and uneducated lawbreakers can we possibly financially sustain?!!! This agenda hurts the poorest and working class American citizens the most! Those of you in favor of this improper agenda are selling them out! We shouldn't have to! How positively insulting this must be to all LEGAL immigrants who played by all of the rules to come here!

THE ONLY THING THAT IS BROKEN IS THE COMMITMENT OF OUR ELECTED LEADERS NOT TO BE CORRUPTED BY DEMANDS FOR SPECIAL TREATMENT BY THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAWS BY WHICH ALL OTHERS MUST PLAY!

if the republicans want it the rich want it and its awful for the rest of us.apparently that job problem we have here in the united states has been fixed and were looking for more labor

"It's more than obvious that at the recent Republican retreat the party figured they had better quickly suck up to the Latino population if they wanted to make any headway with them in elections"

Hell, AG- this is the party that thought it would be neat-o-riffic to suck up to trees, for God's sake, because they were 'the right height'.

(speakin' o' which- I still have not seen a birth certificate from the party member alluded to- Nor his tax returns that prove what a great citizen he really, really is. Hmmmm.......)

"Press 1 for english. Press 2 for Spanish...No, I'm not making racial comments...You hear it everyday."

And God knows what a burden it is to push that one damned button. Christ- what do people want, anyway??

"Can I CALL them or WHAT??? lol"

To plagarize one from National Car Rental: Yes you can, Red. Yes you CAN!

(hmmm.... sounds kind of like a politcal campaign, somehow- doesn't it??)

And God knows what a burden it is to push that one damned button. Christ- what do people want, anyway??

perhaps you can be so kind to explain why we would need to push the second button regardless of effort? LIberals and their apathy.

Yes you can, Red. Yes you CAN!

(hmmm.... sounds kind of like a politcal campaign, somehow- doesn't it??)

sure does and NOTHING CHANGED

OK- CA- read your post. What's in it for...anyone?

As for the '2nd button' thought- how do you feel about those Goddamned 'wheelchair' symbols on the spot I was eyeing for MY place to park?? Why the hell should I be asked to accomdate a felow 'traveler'?

Sounds like you're not doing enough time in church, 'brother'.

"...sure does and NOTHING CHANGED"

Oh, hell- wait until my stock broker hears THIS!

• Lower wages via mass immigration

There are two approaches to this question (at least). First, theoretical models can be used. Second, empirical data can be examined. Not surprisingly the latter approach shows much greater wage reductions from immigration than the former.

1. “The Race between Education and Technology: The Evolution of U.S. Educational Wage Differentials, 1890 to 2005″ Goldin and Katz

“The impact of immigration from 1980 to 2005 was larger than during earlier periods. But our estimates are that immigration was responsible for only 10 percent (about 2.4 log points) of the post-1980s increase in the college to high school wage premium (which was 23 log points). Immigration can explain a considerably large share (43 percent) of the rise in the high school graduate wage premium, but the domestic education slowdown accounts for more (57 percent).”

Note that these are serious underestimates, because the authors only consider the direct impact of immigration. In other words, they fail to take into account the impact of the first/second/third/etc. generation children of immigrants. It is a sad truth, that low-skill immigrants have low-skill children.

An important point in this context, is that the notional high school graduation rate in the U.S. is around 75% (see Heckman). However, a large fraction (at least 1/3rd) of the “graduates” have below basic (NAEP) skills in reading, math, and/or science. These folks are graduates in name only. Adjusted for “graduates” with below basic skills, the de facto high school graduation rate is roughly 50%. Much lower for minority groups, of course.

2. “IMMIGRATION AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES: THE RESPONSE OF WAGES, EMPLOYMENT, AND INCARCERATION TO LABOR SUPPLY SHOCKS”

“The employment rate of black men, and particularly of low-skill black men, fell precipitously from 1960 to 2000. At the same time, the incarceration rate of black men rose markedly. This paper examines the relation between immigration and these trends in black employment and incarceration. Using data drawn from the 1960-2000 U.S. Censuses, we find a strong correlation between immigration, black wages, black employment rates, and black incarceration rates. As immigrants disproportionately increased the supply of workers in a particular skill group, the wage of black workers in that group fell, the employment rate declined, and the incarceration rate rose. Our analysis suggests that a 10-percent immigrant-induced increase in the supply of a particular skill group reduced the black wage by 4.0 percent, lowered the employment rate of black men by 3.5 percentage points, and increased the incarceration rate of blacks by almost a full percentage point.”

3. “The Labor Demand Curve is Downward Sloping: Reexamining the Impact of Immigration on the Labor Market” by Borjas

“Immigration is not evenly balanced across groups of workers who have the same education but differ in their work experience, and the nature of the supply imbalance changes over time. This paper develops a new approach for estimating the labor market impact of immigration by exploiting this variation in supply shifts across education-experience groups. I assume that similarly educated workers with different levels of experience participate in a national labor market and are not perfect substitutes. The analysis indicates that immigration lowers the wage of competing workers: a 10 percent increase in supply reduces wages by 3 to 4 percent.”

4. “The Distribution of Income in California”

This report shows stunning fall in median (-20%) and 20th percentile (-40%) incomes in California. Even 75th percentile incomes have fallen (5%). These falls are larger than reported in states with fewer immigrants. The also coincide with the resumption of large scale immigration into the United States.

5. “Los Angeles and its Immigrants – Metropolis Web Site”. A few quotes

“Consequently, the terms of compensation at the bottom of L.A.’s economy got worse over the past two decades: between 1970 and 1990, real earnings in the Mexican immigrant industrial niches declined by over $6,000. The downturn is not simply a matter of exchanging bad jobs for worse: real earnings also declined in all of the industries that served as Mexican niches in 1970, before the massive immigration truly began.”

“Ten years after their arrival in the United States, the immigrants of the 1970s are doing worse than were the immigrants of the 1960s at the same point in time. And all cohorts have seen the gap separating them from natives grow — a statement that remains true both before and after adjusting for differences in background characteristics.”

6. “The Greater Recession: America Suffers from a Crisis of Productivity”

“In fact, real wages for middle class men have declined by 28 percent since 1969, according to a report from the Hamilton Project. For men without a high school degree, they’ve fallen by a whopping 66 percent. “Stagnation is too weak a word,” said Michael Greenstone, author of the report. “This is decline.”"

What exactly happened around 1969? Mass immigration resumed. Note that the competing explanations (SBTC and trade) are insufficient. See “How Much Do Immigration and Trade Affect Labor Market Outcomes?” by George J. Borjas; Richard B. Freeman; Lawrence F. Katz; John DiNardo; John M. Abowd.

All of the above notes should help to establish the casual relationship between mass immigration and declining wages. However, since we are really concerned with real wages, the impact of immigration on prices and taxes needs to be considered. Probably the largest single factor (by far) has been to make housing less affordable, particularly in areas with viable public schools. Note that 29.3% of children attend private schools in San Francisco. That’s a massive decrement to real wages. Note that’s in uber liberal San Francisco.

Another case of democrats not listening the what the people want. A majority of people don't want this legislation and the democrats think they are far above everyone else. It's the same old smoke and mirrors.... We promise you things during elections, but when that is done it time to have your votes bought by every minority group in the US.

You'll never know it though when all of these senators will vote themselves a pay raise because they think that american people has more to give them. Remember cutting taxes on middle class will never happen. According to Obama, americans have already had it too easy and now we are expected to pay their fair share for policies that are becoming like a dictatorship.

I, for one will remember this during the next election about how democrats and republicans totally disregarded what the American people want in order to play up to a special interest group.

From what I was hearing from this gang of eights proposals.

Have background checks? (this will work, not, since most cannot prove who they are to begin with)

Pay a fine and back taxes. (don't get in the way of the stampede heading for the IRS building)

Have no criminal record (hence refer to comment of the first on the list)

Commit no crime prior to getting their green card. (again how do we know who these people really are)

This is nothing more than a dog and pony show. Honestly I don't think there are enough resources available in the US or the country of origin to confirm their documentation.

Most of the Latino population only come here to work. Then go home. If this is to be a path to citizenship, how is law enforcement going to track who is coming and going? Next question is will these people be eligible for ACA?

Sorry I just don't see this working out for the tax payers.

"build the danged fence"

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One must admit that if this is what one of the longest serving US Senators has to use in a tv ad, it sure doesn't speak well of the 'maturity' that is supposed to exist in the Senate in contrast to the rowdy House of Representatives.

As for the '2nd button' thought- how do you feel about those Goddamned 'wheelchair' symbols on the spot I was eyeing for MY place to park?? Why the hell should I be asked to accomdate a felow 'traveler'?

cute Buzz but you kinda fell short which is about halfway what i expected.

Oh, hell- wait until my stock broker hears THIS!

disappointing I know but you really expected CHANGE.... PT Barnum was right ;)

Let's face it, these 11 million (or up to 20 million) are not going to be deported and many are going to continue to be supported by the system. So, OK. Let's give them a pathway to citizenship by making them file more paperwork, get background checks, and pay fines (LOL!!!)...but why do we also classify the adults as felons, and not grant them the right to vote in their lifetime, as we do other felons???

O.M.G. This will like totally steal golden-tea-boy Marco's thunder! Whatever will he like do to like establish himself as the great brown hope of latinos and bring them under the like big all-inclusive like tent of the GOTea? :(

Its great that they have the Dream act Already......lets also provide them free health care, free housing and education and a path to citizenship.....................

So I help them feel better about themselves by spending more of my average 50K family income to provide the illegals with a comfortable life, while I continue to bust my ass working every day to pay for it.

Isnt it Great to be an American (illegal)

"cute Buzz but you kinda fell short which is about halfway what i expected."

How so? I stand by the comment, in all it's satircal sarcasm.

"disappointing I know but you really expected CHANGE.... PT Barnum was right ;)"

???? C'n anyone else here help me with whatever this is supposed to be?? Almost as though CA can't distinguish between the Dow in Dec. 2008 and today??

oskar-1391552

Republicans in the House will go along this bill as long Democrats do not reward illegals with path to citizenship. Citizenship is a privilege not a right and crossing the border illegally they lost their chance , only legals immigrants can have this right. Permanent residence is all they need in order to work stay in the country , visit their families abroad but no right to vote . Close the border and declare illegal to provide help and benefits to illegals, end the sanctuary places.

Apparently you don't understand that the United States, despite all the problems we have, is still the land of opportunity and the "shining city on the hill" to so many here and abroad. And since our immigration system is so f*cked up, many get here illegally in order to just get here. And what wrong have these people done??? Yes, they violated federal law and smuggled into this country, but that is different than bombing a federal building. These people (most of them) are like the poor street urchins of old who steal bread from the market to keep from going hungry. Shall they be denied entrance to a nation that prides itself on its so-called "openness" to immigrants. Does the Statue of Liberty not say "Give me your tired, your poor/ Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free???" And are we not our brother's keeper??? Yes, these people broke the law, and they should be punished accordingly. But as long as they have not committed a crime (murder, rape, etc), I see no reason why they should denied citizenship. All they want is a piece of the American Dream, something we are desperately trying to preserve.

"Whatever will he like do to like establish himself as the great brown hope of latinos and bring them under the like big all-inclusive like tent of the GOTea? :("

Why, y' big silly! He'll do like his protogee, and declare "I like Hispanics. Their skin is the just the right shade of brown" or some such.

Wayne,

Under Title 8, it is a misdemeanor. Unless they are convicted as "repeat offenders," they are not felons.

Obama is already throwing stones to a bipartisan agreement, not challenging his home state who already approve Driver Licenses to Illegals, when thare is a bipartisan group working in immigration, but he challenge before when Arizona decide to enforce the law. It is Obvious Obama will push hard to provide more benefits to illegals in the new bill because he know Republicans won't go along with his extreme position . His goal is blame Republicans if there is no bipartisan agreement . That is his way to win elections, we all know how is the Chicago way, and Obama wants badly the House back in control of Democrats.

The first thing that should be done, All illegals, should be called illegal, not undocumented. The second thing, all illegals should be fingerprinted and deported and never allowed back.

Then we can work on immigration reform.

Do not reward illegals.

Delusions abound ...

John McPain's words sounded like,"Well, we got whipped by losing 70% of the Latino vote so that is the only reason we are willing to compromise!" I hate that man and the party of the dead and dying he represents.

Sorry I just don't see this working out for the tax payers.

Of course it won't - because rewarding fifteen million criminal alien freeloaders with U.S. citizenship and letting in fifteen million more tends to be tough on ANY country's balance sheet, and tends to bring that country into third world status.

So, the U.S. will end up like Guatemala on steroids, only it will come ten years sooner, that's all.

Welcome to the "new and improved, progressive" America. Courtesy of those cheap, two dollar skan.ks in Washington.

You'd love America too if you could get free welfare, education and health care for breaking the law, wouldn't you??

"FREE STUFF", you know????

Isn't the good ole U.S. of A welfare state grand???????

Don't hire them and knowing have 5 men with the same name and Social Security number working for you. The greedy corporations and businesses are knowingly doing that and then some of you blame it on illegals. Blame the greed of the rich, the CEO's, the big business and corporations who like paying less to make a bigger greedy profit!

Fact, 37% of illegals are receiving means tested welfare in some form or another, fact, illegals are a drain on our education system, fact, 30% of all federal prisoners are illegal, fact, Obama voted for the poison pill amendment that caused Bush's immigration plan to fail, fact, only 24% of Hispanics care about immigration issues. Liberals, the cancer thats killing America.

Enstrom

Its great that they have the Dream act Already......lets also provide them free health care, free housing and education and a path to citizenship.....................

Enstrom,

No one lives in housing for free. How idiotic of you!!!

What will spur our economy onto new hieghts? About half of Mexico's population. Every era of mass immigration to the United States has seen an upward growth in the United States of America's economy.

These people are hard working, freedom loving, and pasionate about their new country and their opportunities in that new country. We need the new blood because some of that Party of Stupid blood needs to be thinned out.

On behalf of Honest, Hardworking AMERICAN CITIZENS (think of LivingWithOpenEyes #132 when you call your ass#0le representatives supporting this absurd nonsense!) and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, MAKE IT YOUR BUSINESS TO CALL YOUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES and explain to them in as thoughtful and candid manner possible that granting rewards and special treatment for IMMIGRATION LAWBREAKING will only serve to incentivize exponentially millions more immigration lawbreakers. WE CANNOT AFFORD THE FINANCIAL IMPOSITIONS OF THIS REWARDS FOR LAWBREAKING SCHEME!

Lindsey Graham (SC): (202) 224-5972

Jeff Flake (AZ): (202) 224-4521

Chuck Grassley:(IA) (202) 224-3744

Kay Hagan(NC): (202) 224-6342

Orin Hatch(UT):(202) 224-5251

John McCain (AZ): (202) 224-2235

Mitch McConnell (KY): (202) 224-2541

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Charles Schumer (NY): (202) 224-6542

Jeff Sessions (AL): (202) 224-4124

Newsbreak: Marco Rubio has become the first casualty of the GOP primary season. Three years before it even starts.

In the meanwhile, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., pledged to "do everything in [his] power as the majority leader to get a bill across the finish line."

Almost like Pelosi's "We won't know what is in it until we pass it".

Yep, the Progressives really don't care about America. Just ask Peppermint Patty.

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Mrs. Clinton was the FIRST CASUALTY on the list of 2016 Presidential contenders.....FOUR years before the Progressive primary season. Maybe the Progressives will add Bloomberg to the list.

So I help them feel better about themselves by spending more of my average 50K family income to provide the illegals with a comfortable life, while I continue to bust my ass working every day to pay for it.

Well, I pay more taxes than you, and I am busting my backside subsidizing YOUR tax bill. You are getting a free ride. You don't have any cause to complain. Grow up.

The people who come here, both legally and illegally, come here willing to work a hard day for reasonable pay. Quite frankly, I would much rather hire a cheerful 'illegal' who is happy for the opportunity to do my yard work than some surly redneck.

Wait till all the illegals actually have to start paying their fair share. They will flee back to their 3rd world dirtbag country so fast. Now they get all sorts of stuff without paying for anything. Wait till they have to actually pay taxes, Fica, medicare tax, local taxes, etc... They will want to go back to being illegal.

A bill on immigration reform CANNOT BE COMPREHENSIVE unless it includes stiff, enforceable penalties for those who cross our borders, or stays in our country illegally in the future.... At minimum, it should be a class four felony with a sentence of up to 24 months for entering America, or staying beyond what documentation permits, with no less than 90 days served before deportation.

So, if anyone is wondering... the reason why you need a path to citizenship is because finding every single illegal immigrant and deporting them would not only destroy much of produce market... it would be prohibitively expensive and time consuming to not only find them but go through the process of determining if they are actually illegal immigrants. And no, it's not as easy as saying deport anyone who can't show citizenship. Many individuals actually have quite a bit of trouble with that even though they are citizens. You actually have to find them (expensive), determine if they're a citizen (somewhat expensive), house them until a determination can be made (expensive), and then deport them to a country that will accept them.... (somewhat expensive and can be politically tricky if the country doesn't want them... what are you going to do? Armed escort into the particular country and go up against their military if they refuse?).

If they're citizens, they can be properly taxed for the services they use and will likely come forward voluntarily to obtain legal status making finding them to tax them much easier and less pricey. This path to citizenship doesn't provide much of an incentive to come here... paying them higher wages then they earn in their current country while they can access services of this one is where the incentive is. For that you need to look at various businesses and the agricultural industry.

To CONTINUE:.... Any COMPREHENSIVE immigration bill must also include a requirement that at least one parent of a baby born on American soil be an American citizen.

It may be too late to undo what has happened over the past several years since Reagan extended an open invitation to illegal immigrants, but we can make damn sure there is no repeat in the future

I'm making the assumption that most on this thread has not bothered to listen to the proposals. They are reasonable and, if, unlike 1986, the liars from the left hold up their end, will make a difference and is a good start. There is no carte' blanche amnesty.

Read the proposal.

My guess is Obama will not go along if it advances to that point.

Speaking at a press conference on Monday on Capitol Hill, five of the eight members of a bipartisan working group announced the contours of their agreement, which would shore up America's borders and provide an eventual path to citizenship for undocumented workers.

I thought we were supposed to shore up our borders with the last amnesty we granted to illegals. What a joke.

I suppose we should replace our lazy lib workers with hard working Mexicans....if you cant beat them, join them.

doggy,

That is a hollow, used up argument. I have been around for some time, in the 40s and 50s I knew several American families that moved with the harvests, and remember when most crop harvesters were American, and produce was no more expensive than now. And no, it would not be expensive or difficult to locate and deport 12 million illegal immigrants. If we made it a class four felony to employ an illegal immigrant and made E-VERIFY mandatory, the illegal immigrant problem would vanish before your eyes.........That is the only issue I agreed with Romney on, 'no means of survival means no-will come-nor stay'.

In reality, we all know that no matter what bill they pass, nothing will change, 85% of the illegal immigrants here now will remain here illegally. There is no way 12 million+ illegal immigrants will get in line and agree to pay fines, back taxes, obtain SS cards, drivers licenses, auto and health insurance, learn English and take an oath of allegiance to America.....Many illegal immigrants that are here do not seek to be a part of, but to control a part of, just look at the LA area, the Hispanics are all ready trying to run out all who are not Hispanic, and one must now be bi-lingual to get a job in the LA area.

Fact, 37% of illegals are receiving means tested welfare in some form or another, fact, illegals are a drain on our education system, fact, 30% of all federal prisoners are illegal, fact, Obama voted for the poison pill amendment that caused Bush's immigration plan to fail, fact, only 24% of Hispanics care about immigration issues. Liberals, the cancer thats killing America.

BTW, 64% of Welfare recipients are white and the majority of them in Red States that have the lowest minimum wage. So much for your welfare theory.

Wait till all the illegals actually have to start paying their fair share. They will flee back to their 3rd world dirtbag country so fast. Now they get all sorts of stuff without paying for anything. Wait till they have to actually pay taxes, Fica, medicare tax, local taxes, etc... They will want to go back to being illegal.

So what are saying Logan is that the proposal thats out there will accomplish your goal. So tell me why are your against it?

Byron Raum---just a note for you to get a secret clearance you have to be an American citizen so they are not working with nukes

2-Lane Gypsy--- nice number, not true but maybe you should come to Cali sometime. I like how you quote MSNBC, right after the Rachel Madow show they show lock-up. That is fair and balanced reporting there

Irvmani - actually 2-Lane Gypsy is absolutely correct. You just don't want to face the truth!

How is it that they can't get anything done when it comes to solving problems for Americans, but they can achieve bipartisan support for helping foreign nationals here illegally? Why is this a priority?

The FOR LATINOS ONLY organizations will be happy that the FOR LATINOS ONLY immigration reform will be passed so that LATINOS ONLY can bring their LATINO families from LATIN AMERICA in order to displace the cowardly Americans that have allowed FOR LATINOS ONLY immigration to infest North America.

This is great. Obama granting amnesty to some 12 million illegals. This will provide cheap labor for the filthy rich corporations for years to come. It will also help keep the middle class suppressed and make the class divide greater and more stable.

Also, 3 million illegals got amnesty in 1986, which sent the clear and undeniable message to the 4 times as many (12 million) here now. Just think, in another 20-25 years, it will 48 million here wanting amnesty.

DEFERRED ACTION means illegals have a chance to make more anchor babies!!!

I'm in for immigration reform, however I feel strongly that the following must be inforced:

1. Immediately close the borders (you'll only encourage people to come if you show them the opportunity to stay).

2. ASAP require illegals to register with INS, get a temporary work visa (and get on the IRS books), and give a deadline for this registration or you get a boot out of the country and no mercy. You think the federal government won't be advertising all over on how to stay?? Yeah, they can get it done on a schedule.

3. ANY legal immigrants get put first in the INS and naturalization line. Don't penalize people trying to abide by the laws(I know, that's not en vogue here in the US- abide by the laws, we need more laws to control you; don't abide by the laws, well you should). THEY should receive the bulk of the education aid, best deals on staying, etc.

4. Screen and deport all illegals that have felonies, diseases (like we did a few decades ago), and mental illnesses(our nationalized healthcare costs have to be controlled).

5. Help immigrants get the skills they need to be useful members of US society. Instead of welfare, workfare. Trade schools. Education, skills, hope and competition are going to get us through this- not creating a bigger welfare state.

6. Enforce US laws with the newly legal immigrants- No freebies (no license, no insurance- no problem) You get the picture. Heck, I'd consider a probationary program for new legal immigrants (5 years no problems or you are out).

GREYHOUND: One adult From Chicago, IL USA to Nuevo Laredo MX......$129.00

13,000,000 illegals times $129.00 = $1,677,000,000

For under 2 Billion dollars, the problem is solved!!

The U.S. border has never been more protected than it is now. Border security has never been addressed more aggressively than by this Administration.

We cannot wait for the "more, more, more on the border" delay tactic - that GOP has used so many times.

Currently it's estimated that 60% of the illegal crossers are being caught, so you're saying that that is enough just because it's more than before? Pull our men and women from the useless wars in the middle east and post them on our borders with live ammo.

BTW, 64% of Welfare recipients are white and the majority of them in Red States that have the lowest minimum wage. So much for your welfare theory.

Way to go off topic. Those white welfare recipients are citizens of this country, the illegals aren't. But you make a good point in support of NOT giving amnesty. You show that we have plenty of work to do in our country with our own citizens in getting them off welfare before we add 11 million plus illegals into the welfare rolls. Thanks for your support!

American Girl said,

"but there can be no doubt that Republicans can't stand ANYBODY who is in any way "different" then them"

You REALLY have no idea what you are talking about... My spouse is "different" she is Spanish and we have been together for 25 + years... so blow it out your -ss!!

You are a knuckle dragging, race baiting, intolerant, insensitive, witch!!

Go craw back under your rock!!

Comprehensive immigration reform: Eliminate the need. Over ten percent of Mexicans live in the US anyway. A comprehensive plan would be for the US, Mexico, and Canada to become one nation. Add one state from Mexico and Canada per year to the US. All things would find balance over time. We could clean up much of Mexico and freely go to many Americans favorite vacation spots, and actually increase revenue. Had we outsourced our jobs to Mexico instead of China, Mexico would already have a higher standard of living than the US, and we would be jumping the border to find work there.

john-737278

We offered Mexico to become part of the rest of the world through war:

World War One: Where were the Mexicans???

World War Two: Where were the Mexicans???

Korean War: Where were the Mexicans???

Vietnam War: Where were the Mexicans???

Americans don't owe Mexicans anything!

Florida citizens say Mexico is not their problem, its the likes of Marco Rubio and his buddies from Cuba !!!

Rubio navigating his brothers to the U.S. and puts them all on welfare to help us pay down our debt !!!

Obama's Hypocrites

I never stated that we owed them anything. It is simply logical. You don't want to own a nice home next to a tarpaper shack. We would be doing it for US, not them.

Backhouse-Today A federal judge ruled that nearly a dozen federal immigration agents can move forward with their lawsuit against their own bosses and even President Obama over change in enforcement policy that the agents argue prevent them from doing their jobs. we’re not enforcing the law anymore, we’re not enforcing the policy. It’s pretty much just let everyone go

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2013/01/28/judge-immigration-agents-suing-obama-can-move-forward/#ixzz2JNCdJTge

Millions of people around the world depend on the United States for help. A Latino controlled United States would leave those people out in the cold.

and you are a Native American, Angela? If not, chances are, your people immigrated here too.

Obama ought to be HUNG as a traitor to this nation.

You have been reported for death wishing the POTUS!

Anyone care to join me?

Take you're filthy crap elsewhere!

Angela, did you even bother to READ the article?

Nope, got relative that are though and I'd be able to be sponsored by them.

And, for the record...MY ancestors came here legally, and they made this country greater by working hard, learning the language, became educated, owned business, paid taxes and CONTRIBUTED instead of taking.

Something almost every illegal has never done.

By the way, do you people have jobs? I see the same lame liberals on this sight, saying the same dumb things...

1. Immigration reform = THE SKY IS FALLING !
2. Gun restrictions = THE SKY IS FALLING !
3. Obama being re-elected = THE SKY IS FALLING !
4. The national debt = THE SKY IS FALLING !
5. Climate change = THE SKY IS FALLING !
6. ObamaCare = THE SKY IS FALLING !

Notice the pattern?

Relax. This country, this continent, this planet, will outlive both you and me.

The immigrants are here. They have been here for years. The IRS doesn't fool around - they collect tax from everyone ( legal or not ). Immigration reform is just a bunch of politicians fixing something that should have been fixed 20-30 years ago.

THE SKY ISN'T FALLING

Anyone care to join me?

It's done, Feisty!

Oh Feisty, I'm so scared...NOT. I've been reading your 'filthy crap' for a while now, I've just begun to ignore it recently.

Pablo-FL . . .

THE SKY ISN'T FALLING

Excellent post!

That's a good one Pablo!

Angela LD

If they do this, this will end the United States as we know it. Any politician who voted to agree with this crap ought to be impeached, tarred and feathered on the steps of the Whitehouse. While being stripped of their citizenship and their government TAXPAYER FUNDED 'retirement. Obama ought to be HUNG as a traitor to this nation.

Angela LD

Don't use violent rhetoric against our President. Learn something about the Constitution. The 2nd amendment was written for militia in the 18th century to rise up against the Brits.

~excepts~

In recent weeks, this bogus narrative of the Framers seeking to encourage violence to subvert the peaceful and orderly process that they had painstakingly created in Philadelphia in 1787 also has been pushed by prominent right-wingers, such as radio host Rush Limbaugh and Fox News personality Andrew Napolitano The organizer of that effort, right-wing activist Larry Ward, wrote that "the Obama administration has shown that it is more than willing to trample the Constitution to impose its dictates upon the American people."

In truth George Washington the Father of this nation was concerned about

Among the most concerned about that possibility was General George Washington, who had sacrificed greatly for the birth of the new nation. After the British surrender at Yorktown in 1781 and their acceptance of American independence in 1783, Washington fretted over the inability of the states-rights-oriented Articles of Confederation, then governing the country, to deal with its economic and security challenges.

His fears deepened in 1786 when Daniel Shays, a former Continental Army captain, led an uprising of other veterans and farmers in western Massachusetts, taking up arms against the government for failing to address their economic grievances.

Washington received reports on the crisis from old Revolutionary War associates in Massachusetts, such as his longtime logistical chief, Gen. Henry Knox, and Gen. Benjamin Lincoln, who accepted the British surrender at Yorktown as Washington's second in command. They kept Washington apprised of the disorder, which he feared might encourage renewed interference in American affairs by the British or other European powers.

On Oct. 22, 1786, in a letter seeking more information about the rebellion from a friend in Connecticut, Washington wrote: "I am mortified beyond expression that in the moment of our acknowledged independence we should by our conduct verify the predictions of our transatlantic foe, and render ourselves ridiculous and contemptible in the eyes of all Europe."

The key point of the Constitution was to create a peaceful means for the United States to implement policies favored by the people but within a structure of checks and balances to prevent radical changes deemed too disruptive to the established order.

The right "to keep and bear arms" was always within the context of participating in militias -- or today the National Guard -- not as the right of individuals to possess devastating weapons that could be used to violently overthrow the U.S. government or to kill its officials. (The recognition of a collective -- rather than individual right -- was only reversed in 2008 when right-wing ideologues had gained control of the U.S. Supreme Court and then overturned more than two centuries of legal precedents.)

But if there was any doubt about how the actual Framers saw the Second Amendment, it was answered in 1794 when President Washington led a combined force of state militias against the Whiskey rebels in Pennsylvania. The revolt soon collapsed; many leaders fled; and two participants were convicted of high treason and sentenced to hanging, though Washington later pardoned them.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/More-Second-Amendment-Madn-by-Robert-Parry-130114-62.html

Even Sarah Palin got rid of the militias in Alaska.

The Right Calls Obama a Dictator, but Sarah Palin Disarmed the Alaska Civil Militia

In 2008, Tea Party Queen and Shoot ‘Em Up and Hang ‘Em Governor Sarah Palin (R-AK) disarmed brigade members of the Alaska State Defense Force (think volunteer militia) at the recommendation of the state military officials, based on a report by an investigator with the Washington National Guard.

http://www.politicususa.com/tea-party-darling-sarah-palin-disarmed-alaska-state-defense-force-militia.html

Excuse me, Angela LD, but your first comment is offensive. We do not "hang" our presidents just because we disagree with them. Shame on you for even posting such a disgusting suggestion. Legislation passed by Congress is not treason nor is it treason to express ones views, as President Obama and many others have done, regarding the need for comprehensive immigration reform. Executive Orders are legal under the Constitution so it is not treason for any president to sign them.

You, Betcha, Feisty! The Secret Service does not take kindly to that kind of talk. Do people realize that the FBI and the CIA do indeed monitor certain words that come up on the internet? There is a big list of words/group of words together that will cause a person to be flagged, and hanging the president is one such grouping of words that does indeed cause the little red flag.

Angela, do you work?

Angela LD

If they do this, this will end the United States as we know it. Any politician who voted to agree with this crap ought to be impeached, tarred and feathered on the steps of the Whitehouse. While being stripped of their citizenship and their government TAXPAYER FUNDED 'retirement. Obama ought to be HUNG as a traitor to this nation.

First of all, don't use violent rhetoric against our President.

George Washington did not believe in the 2nd amendment the way FAKE NEWS espouses...

~excerpts~

In recent weeks, this bogus narrative of the Framers seeking to encourage violence to subvert the peaceful and orderly process that they had painstakingly created in Philadelphia in 1787 also has been pushed by prominent right-wingers, such as radio host Rush Limbaugh and Fox News personality Andrew NapolitanoThe organizer of that effort, right-wing activist Larry Ward, wrote that "the Obama administration has shown that it is more than willing to trample the Constitution to impose its dictates upon the American people."

This concept was amplified by the actions of the Second Congress amid another uprising which erupted in 1791 in western Pennsylvania. This anti-tax revolt, known as the Whiskey Rebellion, prompted Congress in 1792 to expand on the idea of "a well-regulated militia" by passing the Militia Acts which required all military-age white males to obtain their own muskets and equipment for service in militias.

The right "to keep and bear arms" was always within the context of participating in militias -- or today the National Guard -- not as the right of individuals to possess devastating weapons that could be used to violently overthrow the U.S. government or to kill its officials. (The recognition of a collective -- rather than individual right -- was only reversed in 2008 when right-wing ideologues had gained control of the U.S. Supreme Court and then overturned more than two centuries of legal precedents.)

But if there was any doubt about how the actual Framers saw the Second Amendment, it was answered in 1794 when President Washington led a combined force of state militias against the Whiskey rebels in Pennsylvania. The revolt soon collapsed; many leaders fled; and two participants were convicted of high treason and sentenced to hanging, though Washington later pardoned them.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/More-Second-Amendment-Madn-by-Robert-Parry-130114-62.html

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Even Sarah Palin put down the militia.

The Right Calls Obama a Dictator, but Sarah Palin Disarmed the Alaska Civil Militia

http://www.politicususa.com/tea-party-darling-sarah-palin-disarmed-alaska-state-defense-force-militia.html

Angela - do you have an idea how idiotic you sound? Regan was the first to put in place an immigration bill - much like this one.

Oh, and the threat to the President is just that - a threat. The Secret Service frown on those kind of things so expect a knock on your door this week. You idiots NEVER LEARN.

Oh Feisty, I'm so scared...NOT

Sweeheart, it is not me you need to be worried about...

Smile real pretty for your mug shot! lol

Feisty - Angela and michigannortherner can pose together! Maybe they can get adjoining cells at GITMO!

Beverly, another Illinois waste of space - Don't use violent rhetoric against our President. Learn something about the Constitution. The 2nd amendment was written for militia in the 18th century to rise up against the Brits.

You don't seem to know enough of your own history to recognize that the Brits were OUR government at the time and the 2nd Amendment applies the same today.

Feisty - regarding Angela, you don't seem to be able to discern the difference between a threat and an opinion.

Pablo-FL

Relax. This country, this continent, this planet, will outlive both you and me.

The immigrants are here. They have been here for years. The IRS doesn't fool around - they collect tax from everyone ( legal or not ). Immigration reform is just a bunch of politicians fixing something that should have been fixed 20-30 years ago.

You have no idea what you are talking about here.

Aside from how I feel about immigration (there are many, many pros and cons) illegal immigrants do not pay taxes.

In my home town where agricultural business is prominent, you do not even have to have a social security card to set up a bank account.

Feisty & Beverly, I'm second generation, my grandparents had to go through all of the requirements, they didn't get to stay here illegally. Why should these people, they had children, they would have been sent back with them, it was just a question of what Country, Germany or Holland. This President has no right to GIVE anybody anything. He needs to be impeach, for his illegal orders to Homeland Security and ICE. My parents were living proof, you go with your parents if they get deported. The choice of Countries was for my father, he was born here, my mothers parents were made citizens 2 days before she was born.

bubba - perhaps reading comprehension is not your strong suit? It clearly states it is a bipartisian commission - not the President. Now, try again!

Colorado Man - wrong. Our ancestors came here and set up a new government - there was no British rule over them. And, NO ONE - Angela included - is permitted even a veiled threat against the President - as anyone knows.

@Angela LD: agreed, except for the hanging part, too far, vote him out office, suggest impeaching him, nothing else.

allowing people that entered this country illegally to now become documented is BS and abusive to all the individuals that have made the effort to enter legally.

and while the US and the world might still be here after we are all gone, if this kind of cr*p continues it will not be the same most awesome country ever that is has been.

@Feisty,

I reported Angela's post as well. Such talk approaches sedition.

@Angela,

Of course you have rights under the 1st Amendment, but you cannot shout "FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater.

As far as the immigration issue goes, the GOP is gonna need a WAY bigger shovel to get out of the hole they've dug themselves in. Angela's hateful attitude is a fine example of how low (and far off the Reservation) they've gone.

Colorado Man, expressing the idea that any president should be "hung" because one disagrees is hardly an opinion, it is suggestive and implying an action.

I've also reported that comment.

@JohnWaynePolitics: agreed, in my state undocumented also get tax payer dollars for medical and to take care of disabled members of their family, to the tune of about 180,000 per disabled member, like my state can afford that.

this state also allows them to get licenses even thought they can't read English.

Colorado posts:

Feisty - regarding Angela, you don't seem to be able to discern the difference between a threat and an opinion.

Well, in reality (that may be hard for you to understand), law-enforcement makes that determination!

Totally wrote incorrectly - we were British colonies but broke off and set up our own government. But, again, that has nothing to do with immigration today or our 2nd Amendment. Sorry - totally spaced. LOL!

However, as even the Supreme Court decided - the 2nd amendment does not mean that certain weapons cannot be prohibited. If you'll recall there was an assault weapons ban that expired during Bush's term.

Pablo, good one. That's exactly what the GOP does best, yell "the sky is falling" to anything President Obama does, says or suggests--even when it's something they initially proposed. Immigration reform was Reagan's, and Bush 43 proposed even more reforms; now they suffer whip-lash at the mere mention of it.

And, Chole - you have to actually have a REASON to impreach the President - can't just be on a whim.

Dr.Alchemy - YOU'VE been reported for threatening the President. Oh, and Dr.Alchemy - you're a blithering idiot!

Feisty - regarding Angela, you don't seem to be able to discern the difference between a threat and an opinion.

You don't seem able to discern the difference between a imperative command and an opinion.

OH NO seeking a friend for her pathetic existence reported me! THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING! I'm meeeellllttttiiiiiinnnnnggg..... oh what a world.

Takes a blithering idiot to know one, you are an expert in such matters.

Chole and John,

What states do you live in? If you're pissed at the policies in your STATE, I would suggest you get involved at that level or is that too much to ask?

While I don't like all the requirements we have here in Utah (the State I LIVE IN) to get a license, I've met them as have many who have immigrated here so that they can become citizens.

Also, for all of those whining about how the government just hands out benefits to illegal immigrants - have you ever assisted someone in qualifying for those benefits? Again, here in Utah, we have quite a few policies in place so that the federal monies that are sent to the States are appropriately allocated (you do remember how that pissed off poor Mitt during the election.)

Illiegal immigrants pay taxes, i.e., sales, etc.

Seeking, A government body cannot pass a law that would allow it to assist in the breaking of a law or the clearing of a crime having been committed no matter how well intentioned that law my be. Since these people are in this Country illegally any law pass would be considered illegal if it absolves them of their crime and can and should be overturned until all people who fall under that status are or can be charged or cleared of the crime. All laws passed could be put in place to go forward but not backwards. This would have to be Amnesty, they would have to absolve a person of all crimes associated with entering this Country illegally. The President did give the orders to HLS and ICE to not enforce the immigration laws

My, my, Dr. Alchemy, who stole your lunch?

paying SALES TAX is NOT the same as paying FEDERAL INCOME TAX. It is NOT THE SAME as paying STATE INCOME TAX or FICA TAXES.

You pay a sales tax in almost every part of the world for anything you buy. Remove head from a$$ layton.

The illegals in SLC have them for driver's insurance purposes. You can't be insured without a license and you can't drive if you're not insured. It solves one problem while creating others. Like validity of identification, for starters.

Have you ever spoken with the school teachers in your district? 9/10 agree that illegals are ruining the system and degrading the already piss poor public education they are receiving. Teachers can't even do simple things like help the students because they, much like their ILLEGAL parents, are staying invisible as possible out of fear! Fear they deserve to have for being here ILLEGALLY!

TO: Angela LD

"If they do this, this will end the United States as we know it..."

First of all, did you see that picture of John McCain up there? This is a REPUBLICAN proposal, so why on earth are you ALREADY trying to blame the President?

Second, President Obama has deported more illegal aliens than any other President in the history of this nation.

Last, but not least, why is it that everything Republicans complain about somehow drastically means "the end of the United States as we know it"? Why is that? If you're talking about being invaded by illegal aliens, they are already here, the problem is trying to get them to go back to their home counties.

Nobody STOLE my lunch, JODY.

I am sick and tired of the bullsh!t from the same crew of intellectual drop outs. Even worse, I let myself get drawn into their stupid rhetoric.

This could seriously be a place for developing real solutions to real problems. Instead it's a constant "we need to be liberal as phuck" and "screw every other point of view at all costs to destry the GOP" yet nobody EVER recognizes the blatant hypocrisy.

I would rather have the immigants than the IRS.sounds like a fair trade to me.

Colorado-Man

Beverly, another Illinois waste of space - Don't use violent rhetoric against our President. Learn something about the Constitution. The 2nd amendment was written for militia in the 18th century to rise up against the Brits.

You don't seem to know enough of your own history to recognize that the Brits were OUR government at the time and the 2nd Amendment applies the same today.

Feisty - regarding Angela, you don't seem to be able to discern the difference between a threat and an opinion.

Colorado-Man,

Can you even read? I just cited history. The Whiskey Rebellion i.e. Shays Rebellion was after 1776. George Washington was President in 1791. Fool, there were no British around then. Don't believe the internet. Try using you head in the Library then.

Re: Angela, michigannortherner, and you; You all have the IQ of a moron.

You have some nerve calling me waste; Tea Bagger. Everyone know Tea Baggers are the annoying waste you wipe off your shoes.

First off....to all of you who say this is "bipartisan".... you are counting John McCain as the "bipartisan" part of this. He is nothing but a RINO. Hell he might as well pull a Specter ad switch parties.

Now.... on to the original post....Angela is ABSOLUTELY right.

What have the illegal alien (note: NOT undocumented workers.... -- They are criminals who should be rounded up and put in jails for breaking the law).... If in New York you can go to jail for drinking a 16 oz pop or in Oregon they are trying to make it a crime with a prison sentence of 1 year for smoking cigarettes then ILLEGAL ALIENS should be put in jail as well....

But wait....we cant do that..... this is the "time of liberalism..... which basically means that those of us who actually follow the laws and expect everyone else to take care of themselves as opposed to looking to me for a hand out are the enemy of King Barack.

So basically what this means is that the criminals who broke the law by coming here illegally should be pushed to the front of the line because they didnt follow the rules.

Im so glad this is what we are teaching our children now.....

No Malia dont do things by the rules.... Break the rules then when you get caught accuse everyone of being racist.....

Welcome to Obama's America.

R.I.P. Freedom

"screw every other point of view at all costs to destry the GOP"

We liberals don't have to lift a finger, the GNOP is doing a mighty fine job phucking it up themselves! lol

I am sick and tired of the bullsh!t from the same crew of intellectual drop outs.

Another RWNJ who is fueled by impotent rage... lol

@Dr,

This could seriously be a place to develop real solutions to real problems.

Starting a post by calling someone idiotic is hardly a way to develop serious solutions...

...neither is ending a post by suggesting that anyone should be lynched.

Colorado Man, expressing the idea that any president should be "hung" because one disagrees is hardly an opinion, it is suggestive and implying an action.

Like Angela is going to handle that little task all by herself. Gimme a break you drama queen libs. Grasp much? Get a life.

dralchemy - not disagreeing or agreeing with your comment but where did you get that statistic that 9/10 teachers disapprove of illegal immigrants?

@SeekingSanity: i didn't say there was or wasn't a reason to impeach, i said that was something that could be suggested... learn to read.

which basically means that those of us who actually follow the laws and expect everyone else to take care of themselves as opposed to looking to me for a hand out are the enemy of King Barack.

In chimes Larry the moocher!

Remember folks, when Larry's town was devastated by flooding, Larry was first in line for his gimme a FEMA hand out!

Say, Larry did you pay back that $35K you sucked off the evil gubment teat & King Barack?

Jaysus Christ, at least be a man and walk the walk!

bubba - do you ever get tired of lying? President Obama has had more illegals deported than any other President. And, yes, it will be an Amnesty program - much the same as Regan did - who also made sure people were not deported. This has been done before - as we all know so stop your whining!

cool story bob. Blow me.

Would expect nothing less than self righteous satire from the likes of you fiesty. You couldn't be serious if you had cancer. OR avoid deflecting with sarcasm for that matter.

Yes the GOP is destroying itself with the majority. Congratulations you are the majority that doesn't mean you can't be wrong, or stupid either.

Keep telling yourself that liberal is the only way to go. Keep the fables of the bible out of discussion and you will still see every very liberal society crumbling. The principals are "compassionate" ok yeah that's great. They don't keep a nation this large running either.

"dralchemy - not disagreeing or agreeing with your comment but where did you get that statistic that 9/10 teachers disapprove of illegal immigrants?"

It's not a universal fact. It's not applicable to EVERY REGION for EVERY school. I was referring to layton and I lived in SLC for 16 years and still visit 2 or 3 times every year. I have several friends who are teachers (very liberal ones BTW) and relatives who are as well. Despite political affiliation and/or being religious or not, they all tell the same story that I did above. The classrooms are OVER LOADED with illegals who can't speak english and disrupt learning and can't even be helped because the parents "don't exist". It burdens every student in the class - and tax payer in the state since after 3 or 4 weeks they just move, only to be replaced by another just like them.

Larry, Minot - it's also Marco Rubio and 2 other Republican - didn't name them. It is a bipartisian committee.

Please try to keep up! And, how much are you really willing to spend on vegetables and fruits? Just wondering!

chloe - I know precisely how to read. Again, you can't just suggest impeachment without a reason. Do you understand now? If not, please get someone smarter (that would be anyone) to explain it to you!

@Layton-3733410:

1) who said i wasn't involved in trying to change state policy? why is ok for individuals to get on here and say 'it's about time' but not for individuals who disagree to state their opinion?

2) if you immigrated here legally and have met the requirements of the state YOU LIVE IN to get a license why would you want someone who is here illegally and can't speak or read English to get one?

3) i have no idea what point you are trying to make here in regards to my previous statement:

Also, for all of those whining about how the government just hands out benefits to illegal immigrants - have you ever assisted someone in qualifying for those benefits? Again, here in Utah, we have quite a few policies in place so that the federal monies that are sent to the States are appropriately allocated (you do remember how that pissed off poor Mitt during the election.)

i have assisted many persons to get benefits actually and i still don't think any of them should go to persons who are here illegally.

4) As for illegal immigrants paying sales tax, so what, it doesn't come near to covering what is going out in unpaid ER visits, housing, food stamps, etc.

DrA . . .

Remove head from a$$ layton.

cool story bob. Blow me.

Flaky fire crotch, seeking insanity and bev the dead head can all suck it!

That's just from this thread alone. You're a sad little man if you think ANYONE would take any of your posts seriously with that kind of BS in them. Run along and take your ball and go home (guessing you're already there though . . . )

chloe-2046959

@Angela LD: agreed, except for the hanging part, too far, vote him out office, suggest impeaching him, nothing else.

allowing people that entered this country illegally to now become documented is BS and abusive to all the individuals that have made the effort to enter legally.

I can accept your opinion as something more than rhetoric if you will denounce Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party right now. Ronald Reagan is the only US President to grant amnesty to illegal aliens and the Republicans in the Senate are working a bill with the Democratic members in the hope of pursuing the Hispanic vote.

So, if you are not a hypocrite, denounce Ronald Reagan and the Republican Party now or be labeled one.

DrAlchemy

Flaky fire crotch, seeking insanity and bev the dead head can all suck it!

No one can suck anything that can't be seen.

@Feisty, I was happy to report Angela.

Yes but the diatribe and vitrol they spew is sooooo different right? Oh it's ok because you agree with them, I see.

Dig back further, I have said WAY WAY worse things than that.

I'm actually at work. Working for a corporation who went automated to produce chemicals. Instead of hiring helpful hands and paying for them, they hired me. I'm sitting here, posting, at work. And making $45/hr to do it. Bet that just chaps you're ass don't it layton.

I also notice you only focus on the negative. If you were here to do anything but belittle, attack and argue you would have (a) ignored the negative, (b) followed up with facts or logic, or (c) STFU. I will go home with my balls. Unlike you, since you gave your's up a long long time ago.

OMG bev you are SOOOOOO FUNNY! hahahahhahahaha. Can't see it... OMG.... Much like your neuro impulses and brain activity on any test known to science? What I have wouldn't interest you anyways. Might remind you that you used to be a lady. Chivalry is dead, you killed it and you don't deserve what I have to offer.

dralchemy - so you had a couple friends who said it and you're trying to pass it off as empirically supported fact? oh ok. cool story bro.

Wow, I stated that Obama "OUGHT to be hung", which is NOT a 'threat', it's an OPINION. I know our constitutional rights are being taken away, but I do believe that the FIRST AMENDMENT still covers opinions...well, until Obama executive orders them taken away, but he hasn't today...

But, you wonderful LIBERAL posters have reported me (for what, I don't know), called me names, told I am low IQ, have not refuted my post an iota and generally posted negative opinions on me as a person. Geez, isn't is ironic you call yourselves liberal, but have no real concept of what that entails, probably not.

And, for the record, which I have posted on NUMEROUS OCCASIONS...I DID vote for Obama the first time. He lost me when he didn't bother getting us out of those stupid useless wars the idiot known as George Bush (whom I DID NOT vote for at all) got us into. Obama is nothing more than a George Bush clone and a crappy president (going to report THAT?). I am neither a Democrat or a Republican, I am neither a Liberal or Conservative, I am middle of the road, politically. At least I see the scumbags who are suppose to 'represent me' for who they are, what the hell is wrong with you that you can't?

Second, I am the daughter of a LEGAL immigrant on my mothers side and a second generation on my fathers mothers side. Oh and my grandfather on my fathers side, DID pick and follow the harvest during the great depression.

Get over yourselves...You know the old saying about opinions of others, right?...

@Dr,

cool story bob. Blow me.

I believe one would need a magnifying glass and a pair of tweezers to perform that operation.

yes if I were to blow you I would certainly need tweezers and a magnifying glass.

Mind ya business. Where did I sate it was empirical fact? Hell I even said it WASN'T applicable for every where at every time when I clarified. I wouldn't expect you to understand that. Only personal experience lived by libtard fruitcakes like yourself means anything on these boards. Not the opinions of a diverse group of teachers who have 1st hand experience with the problem.

phucking jackass.

Dr Alchemy - I'm also at work and multi-tasking so don't feel so special. You're not the only oe by a long shot! And, most of us make good money - again, you're not the lone ranger - far from it!

Oh, and I've noticed several of you have posted this crap, "Obama has deported more than any other president' or something to that effect...PROVE IT.

Because, with no secure border, what's to stop them from coming right back across again?...

ofcourse you are, seeking. You are exactly what makes you look like less of a tool as soon as I come up with the idea for you.

not fooling anybody, not by a long shot - far from it.

Seeking do you ever get tired of making the same old statement, so what, Ted Bundy worked at a call center to help people, and a senators aid he still Killed women, President Obama deported more criminals than any other President, he hasn't deported them all like he is obligated to. Get off your knees and look him in both eyes.

dralchemy -

1. Have you ever spoken with the school teachers in your district? 9/10 agree that illegals are ruining the system and degrading the already piss poor public education they are receiving.

you presented that as a fact and included no disclaimers about your district or location. when you say something happens with a frequency of 9 times out of 10, you're presenting something as a fact, which your opinion is clearly not.

2. i AM a teacher and my experience has been different. personal experiences don't make up facts, hence why I didn't offer up my sob sad story or try to present my experience as more valid than yours.

3. calling names because you can't back up your "facts?" Very Mature Rondell....

Angela - 1st Amendment doesn't allow threats to the President - even implied. YOU WILL get a visit from the Secret Service - count on it!

And even congressional Republican don't dispute that the President has had more illegals deported than any other President. Bush never even tried to have any deported.

DrAlchemy - I don't care what you believe. I work full-time and manage to multi-task - when I don't have client meetings. You working? I'm not sure about that one since all you seem to post is nonsense!

bubba - you prove that vulgar, crude and classless are reguired traits to be Republican. You're disgusting and low-life - perfect little right winger. My guess is you spend all day on your knees for some guy!

OH now you're a school teacher too! OMG! NO WAY! You mean you're conveniently exactly what would be needed to dismiss this as fact?

You must have conveniently missed this part, you know, where I did what you said I didn't:

It's not a universal fact. It's not applicable to EVERY REGION for EVERY school. I was referring to layton and I lived in SLC for 16 years and still visit 2 or 3 times every year.

But you know, I won't hold it against you. You're a teacher after all, and a willfully ignorant liberal poster and MSDNC chat vine resident. Nobody could expect you to know what you're expected to teach our next generation... AKA READING COMPREHENSION. Were you out picketing for higher pay in chicago instead of doing you're job too?

As far as validity. I backed that claim up with my disclaimer above. It's more than "just a few friends" who said something.

SEEKING there you go again. Client meetings aka calling out number 12 at the DMV or the foodstamps office. "client meetings" LMFAO whatever gets you through the day. No wonder the service there is so damn slow. No I wouldn't call posting nonsense and irritating the crap out of you working. But then again, IT IS WORKING now aint it!? Don't forget to give yourself a thumbs up.

DrAlchemy, I don't know where you get your cockamaimie ideas. As an instructor in California I don't have any problems with immigrants. Actually most of them are better students than native born kids. Because of the disadvantage of not being native they have to work harder and, often for far less money, than natives do. The immigrant families, legal and illigal alike do contribute to our tax base. Some contribute to SSI and never get to use it because once deported they are no longer here to use it. Doctors take an oath to help people. They don't ask if one is legal or illegal they just want to know where it hurts or what the symptoms are.

Try getting out among the community for once. Get away from your gated subdivision on the hill and go down to the projects. Talk to people, real people, be honest with them and LISTEN to what they say. If you go in with an OPEN MIND you'll come out with quite a different viewpoint.

My ancestors came here from Europe. I don't know if they were legal or illegal but it doesn't matter. They worked hard to make things better for themselves and their children and for those they served. Those immigrants you love to hate clean toilets you won't lower yourself to clean, they pick vegetables so you don't pay $5 for a head of iceberg lettuce, they bow and scrape to serve you so that they can make a better life for their families. My ancestors wanted something better than they had in England, Scotland, Ireland, France and Germany so they came here. They worked hard, paid taxes and created families that are good law abiding citizens, some quite successful in their businesses. America is and has been a land of opportunity, not just for some but for everyone willing to work hard.

"What states do you live in? If you're pissed at the policies in your STATE, I would suggest you get involved at that level or is that too much to ask?"

That might work for the thing about the licenses, but for a lot of other stuff it doesn't matter if the Justice Department is just gonna step in and sue to block the states' actions.

dralc - there is no rationalizing with you psychos. if you care enough, look through my profile. i frequently talk about the work i do with children in california. it's no secret. how do i know you aren't making up these friends of yours who believe immigrants are the reason they can't teach though? maybe they're just bad teachers looking for a scapegoat? i don't want to argue with you but use your head. i could find a group of people to tell you that 9/11 was an inside job but that doesn't make it anymore true just because they said it.

Adler - DING DING DING! estas correcto! I'm in a very poor city in the bay area and some of the hispanic students are actually the most well behaved and motivated. go figure. doesn't mean illegal immigrants aren't a drain on the public education system but someone relaying a personal experience a few of their friends told me is a laughable defense in an argument.

I do pay more for my produce. I buy from local growers whenever possible. The rest of your post is blah blah blah "i have a story" and if you notice, nobody on this site gives 2 sh!ts about your story if it doesn't agree with their agenda. So I will provide you with the same courtesy I have seen since I signed up for a username.

mind ya bizz....Looks like I trolled you just hard enough to make you FINALLY see things my way. Everybody here is basing their arguments on personal experience and attacking everybody else. Don't like it, don't do it to others. Either your experience is just as valid as mine or I can continue attacking you. you could ignore me but user names are free and a plenty, you couldn't escape for long.

These teachers can teach. They are great teachers. They also see the problems with the system and just because you don't want to admit it could be a problem doesn't mean it's going to just dissapear or not be relevent. SALT LAKE CITY (notice the specific location) DOES have an illegal alien problem in the school system.

what a bunch of cry baby hypocrite liberals... IM TELLING...WHHHHAAAHHHH....

this is from the Grand Pooba itself

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

NO!!! Dumb@!$%#!

My power is at the voting booth!

It is only going to get worse for you & your ilk... Mark my words... LMAO@U.. loser!

Gonna be a long 4 years for asswipes like yourself, tell me what are YOU going to do when Hillary is elected in 2016?

By all means, do continue to carry on with your lack of intellectual curiosity and knee jerk reactions, US limp wristed liberals do so love a good laugh!

Now back on our knees... BOY!

sounds like a threat to me. Oh well Fisty is ever the victim, much like most criminals in the penal system are innocent. Sympathy for the Devil I think not

arguementativebutfair . . .

That might work for the thing about the licenses, but for a lot of other stuff it doesn't matter if the Justice Department is just gonna step in and sue to block the states' actions.

So you think the solution is to sit around and wait for the federal government to tell you what to do when both this Administration and the GOP party are all about giving things back to the States?

mindy ... I quit responding to the DrA when it was apparent it couldn't write a simple sentence without becoming vulgar.

@Dr,

We all have a story. Developing real solutions to real problems requires that we at least be open to listening to each others' stories and not dismiss them as being blah blah blah.

You want to have a serious discussion? Prove it by laying off the vitriol that you so readily accuse others of.

Angela - 1st Amendment doesn't allow threats to the President - even implied. YOU WILL get a visit from the Secret Service - count on it!

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Thank you for this bit drivel. I needed a good laugh. Yes, I am laughing AT YOU, not with you!

Layton, you and your merry band of miscreants have created the FR atmosphere of hostility. You act like a victim when someone turns it back on you. The DDI/ LIBSRUS Crew are nothing more than a bunch of passive agressive thugs playing victim. Keep blowing smoke up the collective DDI crew's arses, you're the only ones buying your own BS

Layton - clearly the most effective strategy.

Angela L(S)D

"Oh Feisty, I'm so scared...NOT. I've been reading your 'filthy crap' for a while now, I've just begun to ignore it recently"

Angela, I'm fairly new to your filthy crap yet already feel that I've seen enough... You are indeed free to suggest that The President of the United States be hung, but it's clear to all sane people that only an ignorant racist tw&t would do that...

If nature does indeed always strike a balance, you must be drop-dead gorgeous on the outside.

@CA,

you're the only ones buying your own BS

So, where you buying YOURS from?

And, if this site is so hostile to you, why do you keep coming back to it?

clearly not. I'm still here. And I agree with caesar. You're group of FR lefy liberals created this hostility long before I began posting.

Great job using my words though. Vitrol.... I'm sure that is a frequented term in your oh so copious vocabularly.

So if dismissing a story as blah blah blah and being attacked for it is not ok, then why wouldn't it be ok for me to present FACT that I have SEVERAL friends who are teachers who say this is a problem? Instead I'm attacked by mindyabusiness since he is clearly the authority on the matter.

So which is it? Is it OK for liberal posters to be mega hypocrites? Or only for the hypocrites to be hypocrites?(retorical question BTW)

I will stop harrassing, name calling, trolling etc when I see half the respect for having a differing opinion that the FR liberals demand for everybody else- while continuing to use the petty insults, slurs and tactics they refuse to condone...

So, where you buying YOURS from?

NBC

but it's clear to all sane people that only an ignorant racist tw&t would do that...

Hey Femme Portfolio, how much do you get paid at the circus to read between the lines. Quite the conclusion you drew. not everyone views the world through a fvcked prism like you

DrA - They might have been rude to you but i've never spoken to you in my life and you're treating me like i'm a liar and don't know anything. You have a lot to learn about respect. I never said I was the authority on anything. All i said was that your "my friend said" story doesn't make you the authority on education or immigration either.

Also, I'm a girl :)

@CA,

Gotta give you credit for being clever. Nice symbiotic relationship you have here.

@Dr,

Dunno so much about you. CA might provide you an example as to how to engage.

And, if this site is so hostile to you, why do you keep coming back to it?

Bali Bob,

The masochists enjoy the public flogging the liberals give them each and every day! ☺

Why would the fiscal conservatives tight wads pay a professional when they can come here and get it for free? lol

Oh, and, NewsforDumbFux shut down their comment(s) litter box!

And, if this site is so hostile to you, why do you keep coming back to it?

Nice excuse for your behavior. Piss poor really, but i come here to aggrevate you guys. seems to work quite well too, just look at fisty crying about Fox. Terrified of one news outlet. must keep her up at night with hannity under her bed.

Just dont cry when we kick you back between the legs.

Caesar Augustus-

"Layton, you and your merry band of miscreants have created the FR atmosphere of hostility. You act like a victim when someone turns it back on you. The DDI/ LIBSRUS Crew are nothing more than a bunch of passive agressive thugs playing victim. Keep blowing smoke up the collective DDI crew's arses, you're the only ones buying your own BS"

Your minority voice and defense of the indefensible is catching up with you Sneezy. Are you saying that you support comments about the President being Hung or are you saying less than nothing at all as usual??

Take a stand concubine!! Do you like playing second-hand wife to your racist puke piglet leadership? Make your position known (like we haven't guessed).

btw... I missed the part where hostility was turned back on anyone and by whom? If you thought the ranting of psycho Angela LSD was effective, your bolts don't even have nuts anymore, If you think your subsequent defensive rambling was, then those nuts are very loose and you should take a minute to finger-tighten them before they wobble off...

On a lighter note, anyone threatening to hang a President, suggesting it as a "solution", or trying to use it constructively in a sentence is a nut-job through and through.

and you treated me like I was a liar before we ever engaged in any type of conversation, what's your point?

I dismissed your opinion as quickly as you dismissed mine. You have a vagina, congratulations. That doesn't change my opinions or my outlook on yours.

@CA,

...i come here to aggravate you guys. seems to work quite well too.

You flatter yourself. You are confusing aggravation with amusement.

Your minority voice and defense of the indefensible is catching up with you Sneezy. Are you saying that you support comments about the President being Hung or are you saying less than nothing at all as usual??

Take a stand concubine!! Do you like playing second-hand wife to your racist puke piglet leadership? Make your position known (like we haven't guessed).

enjoy that fvcked prism..careful though soon everyone will be wearing white pointy hoods and black boots with red laces.

nice padded room with your name on it sport.

I'll be second wife, it beats being the pivot dude eh Femmy. might want to get that off your chin too btw

On a lighter note, anyone threatening to hang a President, suggesting it as a "solution", or trying to use it constructively in a sentence is a nut-job through and through.

Black Helicopters LOL...oh wait was that racist? uh oh more pointy hoods LOL

You flatter yourself. You are confusing aggravation with amusement.

Fisty is exhibit A. quit poking yourself in the eye

@Dr,

and you treated me like I was a liar before we ever engaged in any type of conversation, what's your point.

And you started your first post on this 'vine (# 4.26) by calling people idiotic and going further into the gutter from there.

So, what's your point?

DrA - I don't think i was initially being dismissive when I asked where that 9/10 statistic came from. In fact, I think I was being very polite considering you were attacking an entire group. I was only dismissive after you admitted the stat had no merit. I apologize for being snarky and calling you a psycho but I'm not going to continue arguing with someone who is incapable of showing me any respect and who continues to defend arguing like a first grader. You get the respect you put out.

dr.a

Salt Lake has a school problem...its called Not enough Money per student. Funny you should hold up Utah as a example of "illegals" The Mormon church Brings/sponsors many people from around the world.

I don't know why you are so hateful...but I'm sorry your life is so unfulfilled. Maybe you need a good church to show you humanity and kindness. Hate is a cancer, and you are at the end stages. SAD

This is for FiestyRedhead the fat bon bon eating honey boo boo watching pig, stfu.

stopfreeloaders ....

This is for FiestyRedhead the fat bon bon eating honey boo boo watching pig, stfu.

and the pertinence to a conversation about illegal immigrants is exactly WHAT? Contribute to a conversation or using your own little words . . .

pig, stfu

Funny you should hold up Utah as a example of "illegals" The Mormon church Brings/sponsors many people from around the world.

I remember those concentration camps - they were called the West Side. It was easy to remember, it was told over and over again in the musical "West Side Story". Of course, in those glory days, you would always demurely imply west of State or east of State. Sounds like from the state of things, they are going to need to create a new camp city - Great Salt Lake West, where as the dividing line used to be State Street, the new dividing line will the Great Salt Lake.

Flaky fire crotch, seeking insanity and bev the dead head can all suck it!

Oh and PS HANG OBAMA and every other treasonous democrat and republican. They don't represent us or the will of the country. One hand just washes the other.

This is the face of new GOP, hate and violence including threatening the President. Its all they have left. Their whitebread world of the past is crashing, they are out-voted and their current path ensures their destruction.

Out of step with an evolving America, they are scared and barking Impotent threats. That's what LOSERS do.

Simple question - why is it that when discussing illegal immigration, it is presented as Latinos? There are undocumented/illegal/whatever you want to call them immigrants here from ALL around the globe - not just Mexico.

I don't care where the illegals are from, what their sexual persuasion is, what religion they are, or anything else that the PC liberal loonies on this site try to insinuate is the reason I 'racist' (which is only a way to deflect their 'opinion' instead of using facts) or anything else.

All of them should be deported, period.