Immigration takes center stage… But passage won’t be easy… Obama thanks Hillary Clinton… Rreading the 2016 tea leaves from the interview… Hagel and the outside groups trying to defeat his nomination… Breaking down the Chambliss and Harkin retirements… And McDonnell and Cuccinelli oppose Virginia’s electoral-vote change.
*** Immigration takes center stage: Exactly seven days since President Obama’s inauguration, a series of events this week suggests that immigration has the best shot at being the first big legislative action -- and potential battle -- of 2013 (outside of the budget, of course). Today, a bipartisan group of eight senators (Democrats Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin, Bob Menendez, and Republicans John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio and Jeff Flake) are laying out four agreed-on principles to achieve comprehensive immigration reform. Also today, at 11:00 am ET, several organizations pushing immigration reform are holding a press conference at the National Press Club to issue a “call to action” on the subject. And tomorrow, Obama heads to Las Vegas to deliver his own remarks on immigration. The bipartisan group of senators, in particular, is a big deal. Indeed, this appears to be the first time that McCain has signed on to a top Obama legislative priority since the presidential first took office. And here are their four principles: 1) create a “tough but fair path to citizenship” for illegal immigrants that’s contingent on border security; 2) reform the system in a way that helps build the economy; 3) establish an effective employment verification program; and 4) reform the system of admitting future workers. Five of the eight senators (Rubio, McCain, Schumer, Durbin, and Menendez) will appear together today in DC at 2:30 pm to officially unveil their agreement; the other three have scheduling conflicts in their home states.

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Senator Marco Rubio, R-Fla., questions Senator John Kerry (Not Pictured) during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee confirmation hearing on Kerry's nomination to be secretary of state, on Capitol Hill in Washington, Jan. 24, 2013.
*** But its passage won’t be easy: On paper, passing a comprehensive immigration reform bill should be more than doable. After all, it’s now in both parties’ interest to do so -- for Democrats, it’s delivering on a campaign promise; for Republicans, it’s to avoid again losing the Latino vote by a 71%-27% margin. But remember this: Nothing is ever easy in Washington. For one thing, the devil is in the details, even with these bipartisan principles. How do you create this “tough but fair path” to citizenship? What’s the punishment for undocumented immigrants? How long do these immigrants have to wait to become citizens (and potential voters)? The other obstacle to passage is the House of Representatives. Does Speaker John Boehner -- once again -- allow legislation that might not have the backing of a majority of his GOP caucus to reach the floor? That said, it was notable that House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan on “Meet the Press” yesterday embraced Rubio’s work on immigration reform. “I support and agree with the principles that he laid out about earned legalization. Making sure that you're not rewarding people for having cut in line, but making sure that we can fix this problem.” Ryan added, “Look, immigration's a good thing.”
*** And selling it Republicans won’t be easy, either: The big challenge, in the short term, is going to be for McCain, Rubio, and Graham to sell this compromise as “not amnesty.” (And that’s exactly what Rubio has been doing in conservative-media circles in the past few weeks.) When you read the bipartisan agreement, there is a lot of detail and promise on this issue, including: making sure these folks pay back taxes and fines, making sure they are in the back of the line behind those folks playing by the rules now, and an agreement that these 11 million undocumented immigrants DON’T get a shot at citizenship until certain border security “metrics” are met. Of course, define “metrics” -- that’s among the detail devils.
*** Obama thanks Hillary: For those of you, like us, who followed every twist and turn during the 2008 presidential race, last night's joint Obama-Hillary Clinton interview on “60 Minutes” was extraordinary. And we understand that the interview was all Obama’s idea -- and it was more about thanking Clinton for being his secretary of state these past four years (and keeping the party united) than about 2016. Here’s a thought exercise: Imagine what Obama’s presidency would have been like had Clinton stayed in the U.S. Senate. During the tough times (health care, the debt-ceiling debate), everyone would have looked for any kind of daylight between the two politicians, and Hillary potentially launching a primary challenge would have been a constant story, even if she had no plans on such a move. But what’s been extraordinary is how loyal Obama and Clinton have been to each other. And this line from Clinton explaining why she accepted Obama’s offer to be secretary of state struck us: “I thought, ‘You know, if the roles had been reversed. And I had ended up winning. I would have desperately wanted him to be in my cabinet. So if I'm saying I would have wanted him to say yes to me, how am I going to justify saying no to my president?’ And it was a great decision, despite my hesitancy about it.”
*** Reading the 2016 tea leaves: Still, the interview did provide some tea leaves to read about 2016. After all, here was the president conducting his first joint media interview with someone other than his wife. It was an affirmation of Clinton’s work, especially after her contentious testimony last week on Capitol Hill. “Well, the main thing is I just wanted to have a chance to publicly say thank you, because I think Hillary will go down as one of the finest secretary of states we've had,” Obama said. It was a reminder that Vice President Joe Biden isn’t the heir apparent, if Clinton decides she wants to run for president four years from now. And lastly, it was evidence that the Democratic Party -- at least right now -- is more united than ever. We were disappointed that so little time was devoted to some of the key foreign policy decisions this tandem made together, including the decision to oust Hosni Mubarak, among other issues.
*** Hagel and the outside groups trying to defeat his nomination: On Thursday at the Senate Armed Services Committee, Chuck Hagel has his confirmation hearing to be Obama’s next defense secretary. And yesterday, the New York Times noted that Hagel’s confirmation battle is the first to be fought in the Super PAC/post-Citizens United era. “The media campaign to scuttle Mr. Hagel’s appointment, unmatched in the annals of modern presidential cabinet appointments, reflects the continuing effects of the Supreme Court’s 2010 Citizens United decision, which loosened campaign finance restrictions and was a major reason for the record spending by outside groups in the 2012 election... While the campaign against Mr. Hagel, a Republican, is not expected to cost more than a few million dollars, it suggests that the operatives running the independent groups and the donors that finance them — many of whom are millionaires and billionaires with ideological drive and business agendas that did not go away after the election — are ready to fight again.”
*** Breaking down the Chambliss and Harkin retirements: In the past 72 hours, two U.S. senators -- Republican Saxby Chambliss of Georgia and Democrat Tom Harkin of Iowa -- announced they wouldn’t be seeking re-election in 2014. That means we now have four retirements (John Kerry, Jay Rockefeller, Chambliss, and Harkin), and other ones potentially in the works (Frank Lautenberg, Tim Johnson, maybe Thad Cochran or Mike Enzi). Politically, perhaps the most significant story we’ll be following after these retirements is to see how the GOP primaries in Georgia and Iowa play out (West Virginia, too, for that matter). Do Republicans coalesce around the more electable candidate, or does the most conservative candidate win? One other thing to watch: Chambliss has the ability to be a wild card on legislation -- his retirement statement criticized both Obama and Congress -- and Harkin might be a little more free to vote on contentious legislation (like gun control) than he would have if running for re-election next year.
*** Obama’s day: Besides all of today’s immigration news, President Obama and Vice President Biden are holding a meeting this morning with police chiefs from around the country -- including from Aurora, CO, Oak Creek, WI, and Newtown, CT -- to discuss reducing gun violence. Also today, at 1:40 pm ET, Obama will welcome the Miami Heat to the White House to celebrate their NBA championship from last season.
*** McDonnell, Cuccinelli oppose electoral-vote change: Lastly, both Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell (R) and GOP gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli have come out in opposition of the Republican effort in the state to change how Virginia’s electoral votes are awarded. Folks, the effort in Virginia is dead. The question is whether Republicans in other states -- like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- are still thinking about pursuing the change. As Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker told Newsmax, per NBC's Sarah Blackwill: “It's an interesting idea. I haven't committed one way or the other to it. For me, and I think any other state considering this, you should really look at not just the short-term but the long-term implications. Is it better or worse for the electorate?”
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As Bobby Jindel said. "The GOP has GOT to stop being STUPID".
THEY screamed, spat, cursed,kicked, insulted, threatened, legislated against, showed contempt for, and made life miserable for the poor immigrant. At their primaries they even asked for self deportation as each candidate tried to out do the others ( except for Perry...probably for local political issues affecting Texas) on their desdain for undocummented aliens.
Now they face the inevitable and want accolades for their efforts asking us to forget what they were like, barely 3 months ago. If you think this would have been under a Romney /Ryan the extremist administration, I got a bridge to sell you.
I don't care about the bickering between Repubs and Demos or the history of which partys fault this or that is. Bottom line: These policies are ruining the country. Bypassing all laws that were created so a bunch of illegals can come on board and join the system: wrong. Funny thing is just last week the hot topic was gun control. How quickly this will be forgotten and the focus will be on illegal immigration.
You mean like Reagan broke the law and gave amnesty to millions of illegals?
What needs to happen is reform in how people apply for immigration. Currently it can take up to 5 years to process the paperwork. Too much waste.
I'm worried about what happens now, not what happened during President "insert name here" generation. This kind of bs talk just keeps perpetuating the dem vs repub talk instead of fixing the problems.
The problem is.... the american dream used be the opportunity to come to this country and *work hard* for a better life. Now it's just show up, squat and drops some kids so the americans will pay your way and your families way through life. And of course the libs are to stupid to see that they (and I) are actually paying these bums to breed them out of this country.
Never, never, NEVER mispell words when you're deriding someone else's intellect. It's self-defeating. You're too stupid to realized that it's "too", not "to". Observing the grammar (news flash; "grammar" isn't one of your parents' moms) in your posts, you could apparently use some more English classes yourself.
that's your contribution? get back to your Jerry Springer show.
I don't watch Jerry Springer and it's not my only contribution. Your contribution would be a .38 caliber self-inflicted lobotomy!!
Wonderful, I'm in a battle of wits with an unarmed fool
The TWO GOP Senators from ARIZONA are involved in this. What does that tell people? Is AZ now filled with liberal socialist commies?
I wonder what they are going to try and sneak now that this is center stage ! Government need to remember "Don't bite the hand that feeds you " !
Amazing.............all the immigration topics aside.......JOBS.....JOBS......JOBS...that's all we heard from Obama during campaigning...within a week of his swearing in he dissolves the jobs council..........We see where his priorities are...............................
Seems that was the Tea Stains in 2010.....
But we have had 35 straight months of private sector jobs growth under Obama! And the DOW and S+P are approaching record highs after almost DOUBLING since Obama took office.
That stock market quotation is great....for the wealthy
Herron
Seems that was the Tea Stains in 2010.....
"But we have had 35 straight months of private sector jobs growth under Obama! And the DOW and S+P are approaching record highs after almost DOUBLING since Obama took office."
Maybe you can explain to us why there are 8.3 million less people in the workforce than in 2009? ...they must have all died?....As far as the stock market..when you pump 85 Billion Dollars into the economy monthly it is going to look "all rosy"...pull that money and watch the result. Wall Street does not care where the money comes from as long as it keeps coming.............smoke and mirrors my friend...I cannot believe people are so gullible..............
Yhbua- Great Post! What will the GOP and fox news tell there faithful base of haters: Well there just is not enough of you old white guys left, the country is changing and our ideas are old and antiquated, so if we are to survive, just shut-up and pretend like us that we care about immigrants... Maybe everyone will forget all the hate, vitriol and BS we spew on a daily basis! LOL
Hey moron, us angry old white men are RETIRING. Who are you going to rob now? We are smart enough to move the money we EARNED out of the country so you losers can't get to it. Who is going to pay your debts now? You are on the Alpo retirement plan; enjoy.
I'm glad that immigration is finally on the table. Next they might want to legalize pot. I'm no pot smoker, but if it were legalized and the gov. collected taxes on it, those taxes could help reduce the deficit. Legalization might stop marijuana growing in our national forests. Jeez.
DEPORT all of them ! This Country has neither the resources nor the money to allow Illegal Aliens to stay within our Borders. The propagation of this infestation will only get worse if we do noting to solve the problem.
So Mike when are you leaving? Everyone is an immigrant unless you are native american. Tell you what you can go back to ellis island and swim home. Who is the illegal immigrant anyway whetto?
Mikey. How old were you when Ronald Reagan gave amnesty to MILLIONS, with no conditions?
Mike,
Do you realize that referring to illegals in these terms, "infestation" as though they were some form of vermin, is exactly the same kind of language Hitler used when referring to the Jews? Language like this is a very old method for dehumanizing those you hate in order to justify mistreating them, imprisoning them, and finally, killing them.
There is no question in my mind but that we need to find a better way to close our borders. It is way too easy to sneak into this country. And I worry far less about the Mexicans sneaking in than I do about some terrorists sneaking in.
I really take exception to anyone who says Mexicans are lazy and collect all kinds of welfare. Mexicans are the hardest workers I know. They take the jobs that Americans don't want because they're "too hard". They often work two jobs, because so many of them work for minimum wage. But they are not lazy. They are not welfare collectors.
seems like the only way people will be happy with immigration reform is if all the illegals are given immediate citizenship. What a bunch of crap. So much for the people wasted their time coming over legally. You wasted money and time. Soon there will be no wrong or right
You seem to be a delusion Fox Noise fan. Do you still have a picture of Palin in the shower?
The President and the A-hole 8 are preparing to give America to mexico! Simple as that. And 95% of the people on this thread could careless. It truly sickens me.
You mean the TWO GOP SENATORS from that liberal stronghold of ARIZONA? One of the few states that actually borders Mexico?
Lets hope for US citizenship's sake this nonsense goes nowhere.
It is way past time that the terrible plight of unemployed and under-employed US citizens took center stage, after all it is US citizens who are the US governments primary responsibility, not foreigners who have broken the law to be here.
All illegal aliens are the responsibility of their respective foreign governments.
Hey, Ronald Reagan DID grant AMNESTY to MILLIONS! With few if any conditions!
Herron, you are a prime candidate for a head transplant. Reagan... along with the Senate & House... granted amnesty on the condition that our border would be secured. YOU, like most politicians, cannot speak the plain simple truth about anything.
This is exactly the same as the last amnesty 'deal' that failed miserably.
Amnesty now, increased immigration now and promises of future enforcement?
Get real - this isn't going to pass.
How about this instead - Mandatory E-Verify NOW with a 30 day implementation period and $10,000 per day fines for non-compliance. Cut immigration from the current over 1M per year to 100,000.
Do that and we can talk about amnesty for the so-called dream kids in a few years time when the economy recovers from the last 27 years of unbridled immigration and looking the other way.
Wow such hate on here for anyone with a spanish surname. You people need to realize that the people that are here are not leaving. We need to make these people citizens instead of just letting them fly under the radar. They are not going to leave. Also is you are afraid of losing you job to someone who can barely speak english you need to get and education and stop working at Taco Cabana.
Have you heard about wage suppression? Massive illegal immigration is bringing all our wages down.
And the new proposal aims to devastate American kids with an education too by allowing unlimited immigration as long as they have a degree.
It is not about hate, it's about do you want a viable country where its citizens can get a job that pays a decent wage.
Our economy kicking ass and if you have an education in real field ie Engineering, Science etc you can easily get a job. Why was it ok to allow all of the white people into America with no questions asked but if you are a spanish or asian you are not welcome? It is ok soon Spanish people will be the majority.
crush is correct. You are paying them to breed you out. There will be a race war for control of this country. All of you caucasians won't even have a dog in the fight. The blacks and browns will be fighting over control.
Parker D, hope you didn't exhale any stupid or racist into the atmosphere today. I gotta breathe, ya know!!!
crushedu - 'our economy is kicking ass'? Of what - some 3rd world country? We have the highest proportion of people out of work or looking for work since the great depression.
And I work in IT and see my coworkers being laid off monthly.
As to allowing white people into the country - you mean when they went through Ellis Island and were checked for diseases and made sure they weren't disabled or a drag on society?
I am not sure what you are smoking but you probably have a good business selling it to your illegal friends.
dubsak20- What truly sickens me are people who post on these vines when they get all their information from fox news and just parrot BS... If I only had a brain! LOL
I bet you get your info from that totally unbiased source of truth - MSNBC !!
we can afford 11 million more on snap and welfare, why not pull all troops out of the middle east and put them on the border, deport those non skilled workers, we have more than enough already
The GOP also lost HUGE among Hispanics last Nov, and as Bobby Jindel said, "The GOP has GOP to STOP BEING STUPID"!
What about jobs FOR AMERICANS - not illegals?!?
Giving our country away, Sad, this criminal governments agenda,, why fix anything good and clean for Americans when you can destroy them, separate them into many categories and exploit everything so they can get rich while invading our liberties,, soon your homes, then screw you in the ass again with the big black one,,lord and savior himself..O-abomination. Go to Utah now, where they made sanctuary for Illegals, heroin and cocaine are at their highest and wages are at their lowest. Then you have to have an interpreter to work at any of the industries there. Streets filling up with gangsters and drug sales. Lets now give them free run of our country,, Go O-abomination..
...congress is going to let all these illegal immigrants pass go on the easy road to citizenship while ignoring all the people still in their home countries who have played the game, waited for their country quotas to reach their number, and died while never getting any closer than the nearest u.s. embassy! all things considered, i think it's time to do away with citizenship and immigration services. congress has made a mockery of the job they do and the need for such an agency!
As long as our government insists on throwing money and benefits at the illegal alien invaders they will continue to come.
Send a thank you note to Ronald Reagan for granting amnesty to MILLIONS!
I know all these white people are here illegally when are we going to send them back where the came from?
They are on welfare uneducated and don't care about our environment.
Under Obama, twice as many have been deported than under 8 years of GW Bush.
The net rise in immigrants is now at or near ZERO.
Why didn't GW even TRY to close the borders after 9-11?
35 straight months of private sector job growth under Obama. When GW left office, we were losing 750k jobs/month!
35 straight months of private sector job growth under Obama. When GW left office, we were losing 750k jobs/month!
The Democrats on immigration reform look at the immigrants as voters first, and then the impact fiscally second. To stay in political control of the federal government, the Democrats must continue to be voted into office. Thus, they need voters dependent upon government subsidies. Thus the expansion of government subsidies. However, the Democrats also know that they can't continue to increase tax the wealthy, upon businesses to fund these subsidies.
The immigrants came here for a couple reasons. 1. jobs, that their own country doesn't have 2. free medical care they cant get in their own country. 3. Social Security retirement and disability that their own country doesn't have. Of course they want citizenship, otherwise they couldn't get these things. These are dependency programs which is the Hallmark of Democrats.
Republicans "conservatism" is about how the government spends money, not that the government spends money. What most Americans, low information voters as Rush Limbaugh says, is how the government creates the American economy. Most Americans think private businesses without government intervention creates the jobs and economy in America. This simply isn't true. The Federal Government, for decades created the American economy by being the single largest buyer of goods and services from American private business. This "government economy" is what kept people employed in well paid jobs, and is what tax money was spent on. Private businesses has no need for well paid workers. It has a need for low wage workers to create profits. But private businesses will hire well paid workers if their "being paid" to do so. That "being paid" to hire well paid workers, as mentioned, was funded by your tax money. Government contracts was the method government used to "pay" private businesses to hire well paid workers and create the American middle class.
But all that changed during Regan's administration. The Democrats, realizing that the senior citizens voting block [those that fought during WWII] was dwindling as those Americans aged and died had to create a new voting block of people who are dependent upon government programs to maintain and expand their political power. To do this, they need to fund it. Thus the end of the Cold War, the end of American economy based upon the Military Industrial Complex, thus free money to be spent on government programs giving the people subsidies fostering dependency, thus become Democratic voters.
The problem with that is, gone are the well paying jobs. Again, private businesses do not need a large group of well paid workers. They do need a large group of low wage workers. With politics, a large group of low wage workers, dependent upon government subsidies, is a large voting block to keep a political party in power.
The American general population are just pawns in politics, used to seize political power. Used to maintain political power. Used to expand political power.
America can never go back to the old economy created by Harry Truman to advert America going back into an economic depression after the end of WWII. But America is never going to have the large middle class of consumers again either. No matter how many subsidies the federal government gives the people to provide more money in people's pockets to buy consumer goods and keep reliance upon goverment subsidies, thus vote to keep them, private businesses do not need a large group of college educated people in a wide range of disiplines. The private industry, created products for sale and trade, need a large group of low wage workers to make the products cheaply, so a large group can buy them. Only governments can create industries that need a large group of college educated workers to work well paid jobs as only governments, though tax collections have the money to pay them.
The US Federal Government, shifting from economic policies created after WWII to employ people and advert another economic depression, to now providing subsidies for low wage workers to combat the high cost of living those post WWII economic policies created, eliminated the American middle class [except for unionized government workers], where the American middle class, by virtue of their high wage jobs, bought consumer products.
Now, workers must rely upon government subsidies to offset high costs of living, to give them enough money to buy consumer products, thus will vote for polticians who will keep those subsidies.
Republicans who want to spend tax money on businesses, have zero interest in their policies with the general population who must rely upon government assistance to allow them to buy those consumer goods they want. If anything, Republicans appear to want to take away those programs which allow the general population to live the lifestyle they want, which they could not otherwise live without those subsidies.
It's the same issue Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and most Western European nations face today and politicians created it, to remain in political power.
The alternative is to crash the economy, allow another Great Depression, risk civil revolt and potential rebellion. Risk war. All to force goverment [politicians] to once again spend money to employ people rather than spend money giving subsidies to workers while those workers work low wage jobs so that the consumer economy can continue to buy consumer products made cheaply, and allow low wage workers to buy homes, pay property taxes, to fund local and state goverment operations including local and state government workers and pensions.
And the whole reason for this change? Money. The Global Economy and a single international currency. Using a single international currency means countries can not manipulate currency exchange rates to mitigate loans and debt payments. If a country borrows money, then they pay it back in the value of a single international currency including interest. Countries can no longer simply devalue their currency, thus their debt and interest payments, payable in their countries currency, based upon their countries currency values, are payable, screwing the countries that loaned them money. The Euro Zone was Western Europes foray into the single currency arena and countries like Greece, Spain, Italy, even England are finding that they do not have the economic activity and tax base in which to pay back, in a single currency value the loans and sovereign debt they accumulated.
America is in the same boat as Western Europe is, in their large issuances of Federal Treasury notes which China bought up [debt]. Large amounts of Federal Treasury notes [Trillions of dollars] which the American Federal Government can never repay in anyone who is alive today lifetime.
All to fund goverment subsidies, which create a dependency class of people upon those subsidies which then creates a large voting block who will vote to keep those subsidies, thus keep a political party in power.
Politics.
It's a dirty game and the general population gets screwed for it.
BOTH GOP SENATORS from ARIZONA are involved. Have YOU ever seen a US border with Mexico?
You are seeing the government sell out like a cheap prostitute when the fleet's in port - and exactly the same morality and virtue! Our "representatives" do not represent the people - they are selling out to special interests - hoping for a few more votes from illegals that will be allowed to vote. Time to tell them all - represent the American people, or you will represent nobody! Time for a voter's rebellion and set up a government that truly represents the people.
Dude obviously you do not know any immigrants. Most do not go to any government services because they are to proud! All the immigrants I know work extremely hard and usually start thier own business. You need to wake up and realize it is Americans that are lazy that are on welfare. We need educated people who are willing to work and in the right fields, engineering, science etc.
Ever wonder why the Federal Government is now hot to ban assault weapons? Goverment policies which will change the way America is is coming and it's not going to be popular with the people. Especially the immigrants who came here for 1. jobs 2. the free medical care. 3. Free Retirement with Social Security and supplimental social security for the disabled,
Even the American people aren't going to like it.
Best to disarm the population of weapons that could potentially be used for open rebellion and revolt against very unpopular, but economicallly and financially necessary changes.
The Democrats, though they may not want to make the changes, know that unless they do make these changes [think Rep. Ryan] America, which is bankrupt now, will fail finanically in the next 15 years.