Virginia governor opposes Electoral College change

A spokesman for Republican Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell says the governor opposes the GOP legislation that would award the state's electoral votes in presidential elections by congressional district -- instead of the current winner-take-all system.

Related: GOP looks to change the rules, not their party

"The governor does not support this legislation. He believes Virginia's existing system works just fine as it is. He does not  believe there is any need for a change," said spokesman Tucker Martin.

This opposition by McDonnell essentially kills the chances that the Electoral College change would become law in the state. In addition, another Republican state senator in Virginia today said he also was against the change.

The way we elect the president is being challenged in key states by Republicans who want to award electoral votes by congressional district instead of a winner-take-all to the candidate who carries the state. Had this process been in place during the 2012 election, Mitt Romney would have won. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.

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I love it when GOP'rs tell other GOP'rs that simple word called "NO"

No, no, no, no

:) :)

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Reply#56 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:22 PM EST

As a Virginian, I salute Gov. McDonnell.

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Reply#57 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:28 PM EST

The RNC strategy to place election results at the mercy of politically fabricated legislative districts is a violation of democratic principles by any standard. Issues with the electoral college concept aside, these cynical GOP actions take our democracy in the wrong direction. If we retire the Electoral College, then the only honest answer is some variation of the popular vote. Either on a state by state or national level.

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Reply#58 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:30 PM EST

The GOP does not want to change anything philosophically

Forget the issues they say let's go after the rules instead

Classic party of the 19th and 20th Century

They're done

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Reply#59 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:34 PM EST

Congressional district should be defined in a way that neither party can stack the deck in a district.

Take the state population of voters, and divide it by the number of district. Then starting in one corner of the state, "as close to square as possible" districts be laid out with the required number of voters. Rotate which corner, so no part of the state gets stuck with the sloppy remainders!

    Reply#60 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:53 PM EST

    Why do we need the electoral college to begin with? If the vote of the people aren't good enough on their own, why should people even bother to vote when we obviously don't count anyway when it comes to politicians. But hey....it's no surprise that our politicians try to steamroll the citizens again and still anyway. Just eliminate the Electoral College. Eliminate all the damn lobbyist and "super pacs" too!

      Reply#61 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:14 PM EST

      He can't support it. He's business entertaining the New Mexico idea of protecting rapists by sending the victims to prison. He know he can catch them with his vaginal cameras.

        Reply#62 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:15 PM EST

        Busy*, knows*

        Damn!!!

          #62.1 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:35 PM EST
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          Quote: President John Adams

          BEFORE THE TEA-PUBLICANS TAKE OUR GOVERNMENT!!!! AND OUR GUNS!!!! IT'S TIME TO WALK CRAW TO WASHINGTON AND PROTEST!!!

          It's Government!!!! " Of the PEOPLE, By the PEOPLE< and For the PEOPLE!!!

          WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. The jaws of power and Greed are always open to devour, and her arm is always stretched out, if possible, to destroy the freedom of thinking, speaking, and writing. There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free 'government' ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.

          "What country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." Thomas Jefferson

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          Reply#63 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:15 PM EST

          I find it ironic that the GOP is trying to do this now as a way to win elections. It's so sad considering this is the party that is supposed to believe that states should dictate what laws they want to pass or how to implement their own rules.

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          Reply#64 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:29 PM EST

          does the word "hypocrisy" come to mind?

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          #64.1 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:49 PM EST

          No - the word TREASON comes to mind.

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          #64.2 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:54 PM EST
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          I have a question to Democrats and Republicans. Do you think it would be fair to change all the battle ground states that went Obama to this new Electoral College option (by districts)? Where Obama won the state and only gets 4 of the 13 electoral votes. I want to hear from the Republicans on this.

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          Reply#65 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:34 PM EST

          Get rid of the electoral college. I'm Independent, lean left but pay my bills and ask no quarter for as long as I can support myself. I will not accept continued evasive crap from the Goppers. You either endorse the electoral way or get rid of it, not *)&()^^*&%(*&^ adjust it to suit your damn needs. This is how you want to act on the world stage??? Do you realize how transparent and stuck on stupid you look?? Regression is NOT innovation!!

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          Reply#66 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:52 PM EST

          4 Presidents that lost the popular vote but won the elctoral:

          1) John Quincy Adams 1824 ( -38,221)

          2) Rutherford Hayes 1876 ( -252,666)

          3) Benjamin Harrison 1888 ( -94,530)

          4) George W. Bush 2000 ( -543,816)

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          #66.1 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:00 PM EST
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          Republicans know they can't win a fair fight on the merits. So, they want to change the rules to give themselves an unfair advantage. They act like spoiled school boys.

          The only true fair change would be to go to a straight popular vote election. Whoever has the most votes countrywide, wins the Presidential election. The Republicans would never go for that. If that had been the case they would have won only 1 out of the last 6 elections instead of the 2 they eked out. And the way they are losing votes they'd never win another election from here on out. Which, of course, would be the best thing that could ever happen to the country.

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          Reply#67 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:07 PM EST

          Isn't that the State that rammed thru a bill when one Dem went to Presidents inauguration on Mon. Michigan Repub Gov flipped on "Right to Work" and signed the bill into law when O won. Voter suppression from other Repub Govs. Can't trust the GOP. Vote the bums out. Democracy is not a one way street. We need to probe the Virginia Repub. Gov a little deeper. In the dictionary under "unethical" is a picture of the GOP.

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          Reply#68 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:24 PM EST

          Now that the media has starting looking at the governors who were pro-electoral changes, the governors of the states are starting to think better of this idea. Once again they look like FOOLS. Michigan appears to be stuck on destruction! Keep it up MI - you'll be a laughing stock!

          For Federal elections, it seems to me that states have no say so!

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          Reply#69 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:50 PM EST

          If you are going to do anything at all, abolish the Electoral College altogether. It is an affront to democracy. Yes, I know this would require a Constitutional amendment. It will happen sooner or later.

            Reply#70 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:51 PM EST

            A Constitutional amendment may not be required. Several states have adopted a law requiring that their electoral votes go to the winner of the national vote. If enough additional states pass a similar law the problem will be solved.

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            #70.1 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:01 PM EST
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            Well, IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT. What really need to be done is to educate the masses on how the electorial college works, most people that go to the polls have no idea. They cast their votes and have no idea of how the outcome for their particular state was achieved.

              Reply#71 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:52 PM EST

              k,n knm

                Reply#72 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:02 PM EST

                Isnt this system already used in Maine and Nebraska? So its hardly anything knew.

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                Reply#73 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:16 PM EST

                Neither have very many electoral college votes, so with those two, it's not much more than background noise.

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                #73.1 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:58 PM EST

                High rolla, I think you're right about both states, but as Herron says, they're not critical. The GOP that currently run the big-vote contested states are the ones pushing hard for the change. There are movements underway not just in Virginia, but Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and maybe Indiana.

                If the bills went through they would represent a radical change in our electoral process because in most of those states, Congressional districts don't represent an equal number of people. It would be the equivalent of giving each of the 50 states the same number of electoral votes, so that California and Nevada would have equal weight in the election.

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                #73.2 - Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:47 AM EST

                Oh so its only a big deal if they were critical. May I ask why its ok for a state thats not critical to do it and state that is cant do it. Its either within the rules and everybody can do it are its not. Personaly I think we should do away with the electoral college vote anyway. I never have thought it was right for somone to win the popular vote and still be able to win the election.

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                #73.3 - Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:53 PM EST
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                The leader of the TPGOP, Grover will be going after this Gov even tho he IS the governor of Vaginal probes. When will the moderates learn that there are no moderates allowed in the new TPGOP.

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                Reply#74 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:46 PM EST

                I am surprised, yet happy, to hear a rational voice coming from the GOP. We need a meaningful opposition for a two party system to work. Republicans need to toss the nuts, and move back towards the principles of Lincoln. No more cooking the books, no more cutting taxes while increasing spending. And quietly shoot anyone that use the word 'rape' ... that hole is deep enough.

                The Republican party left me years ago. I'm just looking for a party that stands for real fiscal conservative values and responsibility, without all the social agendas. We are all Americans and need to stop all the hating.

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                Reply#75 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:16 PM EST

                This tactic by the Republicans was used in nazi Germany to keep Hitler in power.

                The Republicans are nothing more than damn nazis.

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                Reply#76 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:20 PM EST

                So are the Democrats. They push the same agenda, just in different ways.

                  #76.1 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:31 PM EST
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                  I'd like to see Virginia allow write-ins. Not doing so is unconstitutional. The electoral college is a sham anyways. Do away with it. Count the votes how they are. Let the people speak from now on. I'm sick of all the interpreters. They never get it right anyways. In this country I feel like a deaf and a mute.

                    Reply#77 - Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:30 PM EST

                    The electoral college, was set into place before most of us were born, and a much lower population. As usual the south, GOPs, and most other GOPs, are standing in the way of making anything better, and are focused on re-inventing their party. The GOPs, have said they are considering changing the name of their party, distracting and confusing voters, as they have done in the past.

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                    Reply#78 - Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:24 AM EST

                    that would be, before all of us were born. and yeah, they want to twist the rules to somehow find a path to the past! because that's all they offer...

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                    #78.1 - Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:29 AM EST
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                    I couldn't stomach seeing Mittens or that shrew, so I will just say this - surely, these small districts in podunkville areas aren't gigantic enough to equal a fair comparison to large population districts - the silliness therefore of this entire debate is laughable, and if ever used, scandalous.

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                    Reply#79 - Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:27 AM EST

                    There are 2 kinds of wingnuts--those in the closet and those out of the closet.

                    For example, the Governor is a closet wingnut and Ken Cuccinelli is out of the closet.

                    When Governor McDonnell was running for office, he campaigned on solving traffic problems. He said he had a plan and Creigh Deeds had none. Never mind that his 'plan' was BS. I was thinking it was better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. Did anyone think that off-shore drilling and selling the ABC stores was a 'plan'? Smacked of Governor Gilmore bribing his way into office out of the public trough (car tax).

                    So the traffic and roads are as bad as ever, but under the aegis of the closet wingnut we have the same kind of homophobia, jingoism, intolerance, and bigotry as his out-of-the closet brethren put forth. We might as well have had Ken Cuccinelli as governor as Bob McDonnell--for all the good his sham moderation has done.

                    We have seen the problems at UVA, persecuting gays, persecuting Hispanics, ultrasounds, trashing the new Affordable Health Care Legislation, hounding scholars who study climate change, unreasonable standards for abortion clinics, cuts in education and refusal to join national uniform standards, and refusal to help New York solve the problem of its crooks importing guns from Virginia--to say nothing about preventing massacres. And all this is supposed to make Virginia a jobs mecca? Give me a break. And now we have a new highway plan that is as suspect as the first.

                    It's obvious that the GOP is not out to support all citizens. Rather than deciding to get with the 21st Century, they choose to change the rules so that urban citizens votes count about the same as slaves in the 19th century for purposes of representation. We've been through Nullification before--back in the 1830s. And you farmers out there better watch out--you're next.

                    And you Tea Party people should study a little history--you don't resemble anything I've read about. Back in 1773 the enemy was George III and not the government invented by the founding fathers. Ask yourself why your heros are not Americans, but foreigners like Ayn Rand, a Russian emigré, or Ludvig von Mises, an Austrian School economist who never had a tenured university position?

                    I can't believe that rural folks in Virginia are so dumb as to continue to support this bull crap. The divide is not rural versus urban. It's wealth and power versus ordinary citizens. It's time that all citizens come together: white, black, hispanic, asian--men and women of all kinds and say enough! It's time the GOP put forth some plans to support urban areas if they want to garner any votes there. It's time they supported all citizens--not just the bare minimum needed to get elected.

                    We need to support candidates who will study problems and act according to the situation. We don't need candidates that prescribe a single solution beforehand no matter what situation might present itself--now or in the future. (Take two aspirins and get a good nights sleep is about the same as less government and taxes.) Otherwise, we will all lose. And you rich guys out there better watch out because even if you wind up with all the marbles, you can't survive alone.

                    These are truly the times that try men's souls.

                    signed,

                    A pissed off old white guy who was raised on a dairy farm.

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                    Reply#80 - Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:07 AM EST

                    You forgot the BIG issue McD lost big time on - privatizing liquor sales. The GA and the PUBLIC saw thru that one big time in that THEY didn't want to have to face the voters' wrath when the fuzzy numbers put the state in a hole. The ABC gives $ BACK to the state in the tune of >$230MM+ PER YEAR. McD's fuzzy numbers couldn't match reality and his obvious tit for tat to his liquor business buddies became pretty much transparent.

                      #80.1 - Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:22 AM EST
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