First: Obama needs to stop addressing the issues of illegal immigration and start putting his attention towards the legal immigrants who want to come here. Why should illegals take presidence over those who have been waiting for years?

Second: There should be a box on our tax forms if we would like to donate money to sponsor an illegal immigrant. Otherwise, under the Obama administration, voters will never know how much of their tax dollars is really going for the support of these immigrants.

In an interview late last year, House Speaker John Boehner said, "I think a comprehensive approach is long overdue, and I'm confident that the president, myself, others, can find the common ground to take care of this issue once and for all."

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With all due respect to the Speaker, it is his last sentence that is much of the problem with Washington in my opinion.

This verbal presentation that when Washington does something, whatever that something may be...that it 'takes care of the issue once and for all'.

The Nation's problems aren't fixed variable dilemmas. They are dynamic issues that have dozens of different factors that affect the equation.

I mean it's funny, for a Party that any other day acts like Government can't do a damn thing right, you do expect it to be fixing a lot of different things once and for all.

You think THIS Congress can write legislation that will somehow cure every ill associated with Immigration both now and the future? Go ahead and try Mr. Speaker.

Does the Dream Act ( Democrats plan) apply to those immigrants who have been waiting years to get into the country? If not, I can sneak my relatives into the country on a tourist visa and go about it through the DEMOCRATS plan.

Jim,

You have made similar comments before.

The fact is that our President has met his obligation and presented a budget every year.

It is the Congress that has not produced a Congressional Budget Resolution as require, not our President

Unhappy,

If you understood the requirement to use the Dream Act you would know that you relative’s children would be in for a very long wait.

Dennis: Unfortunately, most immigrants waiting to get into this country know how to wait, so there should be no problem there.

Unhappy,

-Have proof of having arrived in the United States before age 16.

-Have proof of residence in the United States for at least five consecutive years since their date of arrival.

-If male, have registered with the Selective Service.

-Be between the ages of 12 and 35 at the time of bill enactment.

-Have graduated from an American high school, obtained a GED, or been admitted to an institution of higher education.

-Be of good moral character

According to the latest Pew Poll the 3 most things the American people want are: 1 - improve the economy 86%; 2 - jobs 79%, and 3 - reducing the deficit 72%. The same poll shows illegal immigration at 39% and gun control at 37%. All this liberal BS on immigration and gun control is nothing but deflection from the real issues that Americans are concerned with. IMO, immigration and gun control is only pandering to the liberals base and because these are divisive issues they will be pushed to the forefront instead of those things the American people really want.

Dennis: In other words, the wait time is only five years. Whether they attended high school or community college, it is still a lot shorter than what most immigrants having to wait the required 8 years( on average) for immigration that the current policy has. How is this fair to others?

Second, this won't only apply to children. Didn't you read between the ages of 12 and 35? Which means, some of these people are not kids anymore and such, the feeling of pity that their parents pushed them into it is no longer a factor. They can leave the country at anytime and choose not to.

Let me put it frankly to you. More parents would be encouraged by this to just "stick it out" for five years or so , before they can have their kids sponsored; which then later on of course, the kids will sponsor the parents.

Unhappy,

During the first six years, qualifying people would be granted "conditional" status and would be required to:
(a) graduate from a two-year community college or
(b) complete at least two years towards a four-year degree or
(c) serve two years in the US military.

After this six-year period, those who meet at least one of these three conditions would be eligible to apply for permanent resident status.

During this six-year conditional period, they would not be eligible for federal higher education grants such as Pell grants but they would be able to apply for student loans and work study.

If they have met all of the conditions at the end of the 6-year conditional period, they would be granted permanent residency, which would eventually allow them to become U.S. citizens. It is not known how many of those eligible would go on to complete the further requirements. One organization estimated that only 7,000–13,000 college students nationally can fulfill the further obligations. A different analysis found that over 2 million individuals could benefit under the Act

Dennis: Can the country really afford to have more workers right now? I thought that was the whole point of controlling immigration to the country? What you are saying is that you want other uneducated people to work in this country in the meantime( and yes, those who only have a two-year degree are still somewhat uneducated).

Already illegal immigrants are receiving less in terms of tuition costs at the expense of those who are legal residents of the US. It used to be that we could recoup the loss spent on their high school education through the colleges. Now you are forcing legal citizens to take up the cost.

For example, just look at Colorado. Now they are contemplating whether or not illegal immigrants should pay the same as in-state residents. And that out-of-state students should continue to pay 2 to 3 times the tuition as if their citizenships do not matter. Where is the justice in that? They are no different than those who are foreign born students (legal).

Oh, Jack Pottymouth, like most of you extremist leftards, you go on the personal attack when you have nothing valid to say ... only to attempt to derail the comments of another !

Oh, and Denny @1.8, again you prefer to ignore reality and fail to look at the bigger picture when it suits your "alibi for Obama". An annual budget is required by LAW. Obama's prior budget proposals have been so damn bad ... hell, they have never received the first single vote from his own damn party ! Now, as Chief Executive Obama is entrusted (probably a real bad mistake there) to see to it that the laws of our country are carried out ! Obama clearly has not done that because his own PERSONAL AGENDA was put before existing law.

So make up more alibis, more excuses, and try real hard to blame someone else. It is, after all, what you self-proclaimed "progressives" do best ! Our country's national debt has increased over $5.7 trillion under Obama, and ALL that time, Obama has never had a budget !!!

No other President in the history of the U.S. has been so financially negligent !

Unhappy,

Do you believe that the current undocumented immigrants are NOT working right now?

They are not paying less in tuition than in-state residents.

Some people cannot be convinced that this will be GOOD for our economy but it will be.

AK Girl,

I didn’t either but since it is an EO, IMO it lasts until it is rescinded by this President, another President or Congressional action/law

Jimmy,

Separation of Powers – regardless of Party alignment neither
the House nor the Senate are beholden to the Executive branch.

"Undocumented" = libspeak for illegal immigrant ! Why do you wusses try to change semantics instead of just telling the truth for a change ?

Jimmy,

Undocumented includes those here from all over the world on a Visa/Green Card.

you go on the personal attack when you have nothing valid to say

You missed the point, jimbo. But what did I expect? You're like a single-string guitar with no frets, playing the same note over and over and over.

Not to mix metaphors, but the rest of us see the world in a myriad of colors. To you it's all black dots on a sheet of paper.

When we say "immigration" you scream "what about the budget?"

And we walk away shaking our heads. It's useless even to try to have a conversation with you.

Dennis - "Undocumented" does not include those here on a Visa/Green Card. Those here on Visa/Green Card are known as "Permanent Residents", carry a Permanent Resident Card and renew it every 10 years. The Permanent Residents are authorized to work and reside in the U.S. They basically have all the rights of U.S. citizens, except the right to vote.

Actually undocumented is just the democrat's way of saying another term that is less offensive than illegal. Trying to sugarcoat the truth, so to speak.

There no bigger anti-American racist then Luis Gutierrez. Don't believe me, listen to him speak! All he wants is a free ride for the illegals! And following Obama's lead, creating a dependency!

sfcret - Why do you think Obama only talks about liberal issues, because he has absolutely no idea on how to fix the economy. And why should he, what the hell has he EVER done in his life to make you think he can talk buisness with a childs lemonade stand!

Oh Pottymouth, tell me something genius ... to borrow a phrase from Hillary "WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE ? " .... if we have new immigration laws when our country is headed for a second credit downgrade and possible financial collapse in the near future ??? What difference does it really make if abortion is deemed legal or not ?? What difference does it make if gays are allowed to marry or not ??

You libs simply ignore the important and focus on the irrelevant, because you are incapable of seeing ahead to the danger ahead !!

Clowns like you apparently don't pay their bills and make minimum monthly payments on the charge cards with your government welfare checks.

Obama campaigned on a "balanced approach". Where is the balance when all he ever chooses to do is ignore the problem and focus on the irrelevant ??

OBAMA is endangering the lives of American citizens when he tries to give US citizenship to Mexican criminals.

Owebama can make another "executive Order" and by pass Congress again.

ITS GOOD TO BE THE KING.!!

geo-1957883

There no bigger anti-American racist then Luis Gutierrez. Don't believe me, listen to him speak! All he wants is a free ride for the illegals! And following Obama's lead, creating a dependency!

He's my 4th District representative. He's also a coward, a thief, a liar, and a hypocrite. A racist who has never done anything for anyone who isn't brown.

One thing OBAMA can't do is give US citizenship to people who lie while taking the Oath of Citizenship. It's an instant rejection!

Obama The Nancy Boy - It's nice to be a liberal, only represent a small section of America. You are 100% right about the piece of sh1t Gutierrez! Gutierrez is all about sodomizing the system. Obama's 2nd term, pole smoking, fuzzy bumping, illegals, higher taxes on working Americans, A nuclear Iran, A bankrupt America, An even lower amount of union workers (WHY THEY SUPPORT ME I"LL NEVER KNOW), ETC.

jimbo,

You keep proving my point, but you're too dense to see it.

Plus, you keep making assumptions about people simply because they don't agree with your monochromatic vision of the world. I not only work and pay my bills on time, but the accountants and tax attorneys I regularly employ would leave you standing alone on the roadside.

I've never seen you win an argument on these threads. The truth is, you bore people into submission.

You're the kind of guy who, when he arrives at a party, everyone else looks up and goes, "Oh, s**t, here he is." And immediately turn their backs and pretend to be engrossed in a deep conversation.

(yawn) In fact, you're boring me. See you around, numbnuts.

What part of illegal is it that he doesn't understand?

So we are to forgive these criminals because they didn't really do anything wrong, right is that what were saying. they didn't steal, they are honest for the most hard working when they can't legally work, drive when they can't legally drive, and they pay their taxes and all of their bills, nothing criminal right? So which other criminals are we going to just forgive. Pot smokers, drunk drivers, people who have minor traffic tickets, people who take food to feed a family because there out of work and can't pay for it how about them? Let do that it's OK their honest people just in the Wrong a little. There not criminals there people telling you there not criminals.

Alaska,

The Republicans put out a plan that if somebody graduates with a degree they would get an green card, because those people start businesses and are in majors where we need people. A perfect example would be my wife who finished college got her green card through a relative and started a business that now employs 18 American citizens, plus she paid for her own college.

Dennis,

I think you are wrong because people with work Visas/ Green Cards are documented as they are legally allowed to be here and work.

Considering the extreme high majority of the illegals are uneducated, be ready for the welfare numbers to skyrocket.

I've already pretty much resigned myself to the fact that our government is going to spit in the faces of all the immigrants that have come here legally, and give amnesty to the illegals. Before you say it isn't amnesty, any rules made up that will allow them to become citizens without returning to their home country and going through the right process is in fact amnesty. Do you really think the government will get 'back taxes' from a bunch of low income uneducated illegals that don't even speak our language? Do you think our government will in fact make sure they learn our language?

Immigration is going to be ACA all over again, obama is going to shove this through regardless of what the majority of the people in this country feel.

@!$%#ing dictator.

Can't find the news ANYWHERE on MSNBC about the Federal Court ruling claiming Obama appointments few months back were unconstitutional. Is this not newsworthy?

kkwilson,

First Read devoted an article to this news 7 hours ago …

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/25/16698275-court-rules-against-obamas-recess-appointments-to-labor-board?lite

I just hope that the immigration reform is done correctly. The US needs to stop kicking out talented and ambitious people and stop allowing unfettered access by those who are simply geographically close enough to the US to sneak in.

I'm anti-amnesty and pro-immigration. We need talented people in the US, we need driven people in the US, we need people in the US that want to become citizens and work to make this country great and we need to help people who are fleeing tyranny and oppression.

What we don't need are people who are here to simply make use of an exchange rate difference and dream about how much better it will be when they can finally go back to their homeland and live like a king.

I suggest the following:

1. Make e-Verify mandatory for hiring and institute a $10,000 penalty on employers for every incident multiplied by every year that they employed an ineligible worker. The money will then be split 50/50 between the feds and the illegal worker(s) in question who will then be deported unless they are interested in participating in Item#3 (listed below).
2. Require that companies that apply for H1B Visas for certain employees are then required by law to sponsor those visa-holders for citizenship should that person desire it.
3. Illegal immigrants currently in the US may apply for citizenship, but they must not have any other felony, they must prove who they are from their origin country (to stop international felons), file tax returns for every back year they were here, and they must pay a base $10,000 fine and then an additional $1,000 for every dependent they have and every year that they have been here plus an additional $5,000 if they have been collecting any public benefits like public education, subsidized-housing, aid to families of dependent children (e.g. items that can be acquired directly as an illegal alien, or indirectly using their children's social-security numbers). Thus an illegal with a family of 3 kids who has been here 6 years and making use of subsidized housing will pay $10K+$3K+$6K+$5K = $24K in total fines.
4. End birth-rite citizenship. You must be born of, adopted by a citizen to automatically be a citizen without application, while marrying a citizen simply requires an application.
5. Lastly, establish a proper guest-worker program and a means for illegals to apply for it if they choose to forgo Item# 3...but obviously, a legitimate guest-worker cannot take up permanent residence in the US, cannot have their children in US public schools, cannot be collecting any public benefits, etc etc etc.

Thoughts?

I very seldom visit MSNBC. So, I have a question. Since Obama has admitted he is a liberal. Are most of the viewers on MSNBC liberals? And, please explain what being a liberal means.

@ WheresCongress

LOL, not sure. Typically the people on here who are genuinely liberal don't call themselves liberal...usually the word "liberal" is treated as derogatory and flung about by those that fancy themselves "conservative" in an attempt to discount opposing viewpoints without actually countering them. Ad Hominem+Strawman and all that

Liberal as a definition seems to focus primarily around being for numerous social programs and safety nets and ensuring their comprehensive reach and effectiveness. This includes everything from social security and medicare to public education and worker protections.

The derogatory definition of it makes the additional assumption that liberals are always pro-taxation and anti-spending cuts, pro-communism/socialism and anti-entrepreneurial, pro-choice and anti-guns.

I do not understand fully what liberal means, except that there seems to be agreement that when Obama was inaugurated this second time, everyone knew fully now that he was a full-fledged liberal, I guess because of something he said.

I am Conservative. And, Conservative to me means there is no need for Washington, DC, except for an outhouse that everyone can share. Actually, I was a lifelong bleeding heart rebel liberal Democrat until over a year, ago. But, I am not nuts, so I had to leave the party. Some of the things people in the Democrat party would say, I thought I must be talking to a cross-eyed person.

All kidding aside, I am very concerned how Obama will use his label to take our (my) freedoms. History has a way of repeating itself.

@Seriously? No...Really?!#1.42: Very reasonable. I would though cap the payment penalty on non felons at a much smaller amount. Common logic says their past employers hold as much responsibility for maintaining their illegal residence here as they. New Citizens should not be saddled with such a financial burden from the getgo. Otherwise, as usual from you, a very fair deal. Good to see you! You always bring much intelligence and fairness to this board. Regards

Mac Forrester

Very reasonable. I would though cap the payment penalty on non felons at a much smaller amount. Common logic says their past employers hold as much responsibility for maintaining their illegal residence here as they.

Indeed. Notice my math, it wasn't a coincidence that I would be fining employers $10,000 per worker per year. My thought is this. An illegal alien is caught, he/she is questioned and reveals their employer(s). A federal suit is filed against the violating employers and the illegal alien is given 2 alternatives, either pay the penalties and apply for citizenship, or be, apply as a guest-worker, give up all benefits and leave the US save for their day-trips for work.

If the illegal alien opts for paying the fines and filing back tax returns...and they had worked for this (these?) employer(s) for every year that they had been in the US. Here's the math:

Employer employed illegal alien for 6 years @ $10,000/year fine...settles and pays $60,000

50% of settlement goes to illegal alien: $30,000

Illegal alien is on the hook for $24,000 of fines to become a citizen

Net income to newly minted citizen = +$6,000

New Citizens should not be saddled with such a financial burden from the getgo

Agreed. In most instances, it will be a wash, if not a slight benefit for these illegal aliens to rat-out their employers. The employers of illegals are the real problem, because they are shifting the costs of worker-safety and fair-pay onto the backs of the taxpayer and undercutting both workers and employers that play by the rules.

Otherwise, as usual from you, a very fair deal. Good to see you! You always bring much intelligence and fairness to this board. Regards

Thanks! Always a pleasure chatting with you as well and I do so enjoy your comments as well

@Seriously? N R#1.47: Aha! I read It quickly and didn't notice. Went back and reread it. Great Job! Logical, fair, and responsible! Should have known. Take care my Friend.

I'm debating back and forth with myself which would balance better. Should an illegal alien, after ratting out their employer decides to opt for guest-worker status...how should that be handled?

1. Does the illegal alien get their $30,000 share of the fines from the employer(s) settling with the Feds and go back home while they apply for guest-worker status
2. Does the illegal forgo their share of the fines because they are not opting for citizenship and back-tax returns and goes back home while they apply for guest-worker status.

I have a few concerns with how this would balance-out. First, there would be an incentive for them to illegally immigrate back into the US and try and gain employment elsewhere for the new payday that would arise after a few years of service (assuming that employers don't suddenly get more cautious); and second, what about people that didn't illegally immigrate at all but are applying for guest-worker status...those people would not have a $30,000 settlement to enjoy while they wait compared to their counterparts that illegally immigrated first before being caught...which again, would incentivise illegal immigration over going through legitimate channels (at least at first).

Perhaps it should be (hypothetically of course), that those that accept the 50% share of the settlement are not allowed to apply for a guest-worker visa for perhaps 3-5 years, and if they are caught in the US illegally again, they will be permanently barred from applying for any visa-type for 15 years and maybe face jail-time.

I don't know, I just have fun bouncing hypothetical scenarios around

Granting rewards for immigration lawbreaking is neither fair, moral, nor a remotely appropriate course of governance. To the contrary, granting rewards and special treatment to those who violated our laws with impunity puts LEGAL immigrants (who went through a background check, paid a high price, and waited the wait to come to the U.S.) in a far worse position than the despicable ILLEGAL immigrants and the abhorrent lawbreaking businesses who hire them. This is entirely back-ass. Americans (including this life-long Democrat) are against rewards and special treatment for immigration lawbreaking because the cost is catastrophic (take LA County for example where apps. 22% of CalWorks recipients are ILLEGAL immigrants who rely upon government support for their anchor babies).

Reagan's 1986 amnesty is Exhibit A that granting rewards and special treatment for immigration lawbreaking will only serve to incentivize exponentially millions more selfish lawbreakers emboldened with ENTITLE-ITIS in 10 more years.

THIS IS A DESPICABLE ACT OF POLITICAL PANDERING and a complete INSULT to American citizens and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Further, this pandering eliminates the notion that everyone must play by the same rules. In fact, it reinforces the notion that some people (in this case the selfish ILLEGALS) are entitled to be above the laws by which appx. 1 million LEGAL immigrants play every year! THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE and promotes corruption by which those abiding by the law (including businesses) are at a competitive disadvantage when compared to their lawbreaking counterparts.

A GOVERNMENT THAT VIOLATES ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

WheresCongress - And, please explain what being a liberal means.

Liberal by Actions (Results) or Definition (Empty Words) ?

WheresCongress - Since Obama has admitted he is a liberal.

Actions of President Obama with the Documented RESULTS of:

More Taxes.

President Obama's Removal and Or Eliminations of US Citizens Constitutional Rights (including Bill of Rights and Amendments) and the Due Process of Law:

President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural US Laws). Expanded Presidential Powers. US Military Use of Deadly Force Against US Citizens. Preemptive Detentions of US Citizens. Monitoring and Censorship of All US Communications. Without Warrant Mandatory Cooperation of US Communications Providers. US Military Tribunals renamed by the Obama Administration as US Military Commissions (Legal Defense no access to "classified" witnesses nor "classified" evidence used by Prosecution). (No) Support to Terrorist Organizations (No Legal Representation as "Expert Advise" per 2010 US Supreme Court Ruling, currently being fought by ACLU). Inclusion of the previously defeated as Unconstitutional US Senate S.1959 and US House of Representatives H.R.1955 aka the George Orwell 1984 Thought Crimes Laws, in that the written or witnessed verbal thought is the Felony Crime, not the Act, example: the definition from S.1959 and H.R.1955, "Anyone stating a radical change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist".

During a staged news media event, January 22, 2009 President Obama signs into US Laws his Patriot Acts, 04:38 minutes of 11:55 minutes:

Naomi Wolf: 'Obama can lock any US citizen up without trial'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSeD19m3UE&feature=fvst

President Obama's 2012 NDAA, US Military Indefinite Detentions of US Citizens:

Obama Signs NDAA, ACLU Disgusted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeuE16LLDY

Feds' electronic snooping of Americans up sharply, says ACLU

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/feds-electronic-snooping-americans-sharply-says-aclu-6170914

President Obama to circumvent US Congress,"The Will of the People", keep clicking "Next", see anything Unconstitutional, TOUGH that is what you Voted you wanted:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions

The same DemoncrapticParty that demands the killing of anyone that disagrees with them:

Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior during President Obama Reelection Campaign Rally, "President Obama, this is your Army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of b!tches out and give America back to an America where we belong."

If this sounds like the Chancellor Hitler's Brown Shirts and National Socialist German Workers Party (a Political Labor Union) or Mussolini's Blackshirts, it is, as that is what the current US Labor Unions were modelled after.

US and US Allies Loss of Strategic Resources Worldwide, required for the current US Standard of Living and Future US Alternative Energy.

US And US Allies Loss of Strategic Locations Worldwide.

US And US Allies Loss of Vital and Strategic Allies Worldwide.

Free Health Care, "That will not cost more". Result price tag of $2.1 Trillion that paid off the Insurance Corporations $67 Billion, Medical Device Corporations $23 Billion, Pharmaceuticals Corporations $20 Billion so that President Obama could get Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions to keep his Presidential Campaign Offices open from 2008 till his Reelection 2012, now renamed the President Obama Action Committees to push his current propaganda "Agenda" (that he never announced during his Reelection). 2008 as Candidate Obama, Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton filed against Candidate Obama for violating US Law, McCain FeingoldBipartisan Campaign Reform Act, since he got away with that then, that is what he continues to do as receiving Billions USDs thru his Buddy "Mr. Corporate America" while being fined thousands USDs for violating US Law.

The Fiscal Cliff, the Waitress arrived with the bill for $2.1 Trillion the meal that President Obama ate, now President Obama is looking for someone else to pay.

The Debt Ceiling, the sewer backed up filling your house full of sh!t, now you are going to raise the ceiling instead of cleaning the sh!t out, you are neck deep in sh!t.

Federal Spending:

60% Entitlements

20% Defense

13% Discretionary Spending

7% Interest (Interest on Loans, like loans from the Chinese)

President Obama to pay for the $2.1 Trillion that President Obama Demanded to be spent demands Automatic Across the Board Budget Cuts as "Automatic Sequestration" to all previously Budgeted for Programs (like Medicare, etc.), Projects (like US Army Corps of Engineer Infrastructure Projects within the US, etc.), Agencies (like FEMA, Department of Education, Veteran's Affairs, etc.), including chopping the Benefits and Entitlements of the "49%" (actual 49%, update 51%).

President Obama stated in 2012, "A 10% Defense Budget Cut will result in a Million (US) Civilians becoming Unemployed", then demands a 11% Defense Budget Cut. Parts of Defense include the US Intelligence Agencies, that like during President Clinton were Gutted leaving the US Blind and Deaf to the Events leading up to the 9/11 2001 Attacks, per Bipartisan US Congressional Commission (Committee) Investigations, Findings, and Recommendations with former President Clinton saying, "I'm a so sorry".

Also part to the US Defense Budget are those US Army Corps of Engineer Infrastructure Projects within the US as previously chopped by President Clinton, resulting in the US Army Corps of Engineers not having the Funds for their recommended Upgrades, Retrofits, Modifications, Building new, maintenance of the Levees of New Orleans before Hurricane Katrina, per US Congressional Katrina Hearings. The "berms" (earthen levees) built by the US Army Corps of Engineers at New Jersey saved many homes from being flooded or washed away during Hurricane Sandy.

President Obama as Commander In Chief Orders the Reduction In Forces of the US Military by 50%. Secretary of Defense Gates, and later Secretary of Defense Penetta tender their Letters of Resignation. US Military Capability chopped from capable of Two Sustained Wars Simultaneously to One War only.

Yep, keep "winning" BigBadBob-2560784, welcome to President Obama's United Somalia of America. As President Obama's "Level the Playing Field" by bring the US down to the lowest common denominator instead of the difficult raising others to the higher US Standard of Living.

Liberals By Actions and with the Results of:

The typical Liberal mindset is NOT to even do the basic Research, then start to name call everyone that did, or attempt to discredit the Researched Facts with "Conspiracy Theorist", "On Drugs", "Wearing a Tin Foil Hat" (eventhough the documented FACTS are linked and documented).

Before you start the typical liberal name calling, do the research into the above, as:

Too many voters embrace feel-good propaganda that they want to hear instead of learning the basic facts about issues they care about. They should do a better job of calling out dishonest politicians -- and shunning media outlets that stoke political food fights.

http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress

And even the "Liberals" cannot even listen to their own Liberal President being a Hypocrite is a common trait of being a Liberal as well as being Uneducated, Emotive, Opinionated, Non Factual, etc. (see the Uneducated, Emotive, Opinionated, Non Factual, etc. posts above and below from self proclaimed Liberals (Demoncraps).

The other trait of Liberals as sheer physical fact of being Jackarses (Demoncraptic Party Symbol), as when you keep jacking your arse up, eventually your head goes down and your arse is where your head was.

Most Liberals (Demoncraps) also Demonize anything or anyone they do not understand or are too lazy to even research (even if you provide links, quotes, etc.). For Liberals these matters are of greater importance: Appearance not Substance (performance), Opinions not Facts, Emotions not Logic, Excuses not Results, Academic Idealism not Real World Life or Death School of Hard Knocks (aka Firsthand Experience), etc..

Most Liberal (Demoncraps) do not even know what their own DemoncrapParty's History is, starting withthe Fact that the Founding Fathers were actually Rich Elitists that refused to pay the "Tax the Rich", "Rich Pay Their Fair Share" of British Stamp Act Taxes, so the Founding Fathers started the American Revolution. Back then to even be Educated you usually had to be Rich and Elitist, usually owning a Plantation (with Indentured Servants and or Slaves) or Business. Being Educated most of the Founding Fathers had read (made comments about) Plato's The Republic, as to why they believed that "Democracy is Mob Rule" and created the Consitutional Republic of America (Not a Democracy; as Representative Forms of Government are NOT Democracies). The Founding Fathers also believed that, "The average citizen is too ignorant to determine the Highest Offices of the Land, President and Vice President" (recorded Congressional Records) and established the Electoral College to maintain control, while giving the excuse accepted by the Liberals (Demoncraps) that the Electoral College was to make things equal. The Founding Fathers witnessed that they were correct about "Democracy is Mob Rule" during the French Reign of Terror.

Prior to the Civil War, the Demoncraptic Party was basically the Demoncraps of the Confederated States of America, with the minority of "Northern" Demoncraps at US Congress being in complete agreement with the majority of "Southern" Demoncraps, as against the 13th Amendment (Abolishment of Slavery).

After WWII, during the 1950s McCarthyism, the prosecutions and persecutions of the card carrying US Communist Party, and the US Socialist Party as backlash from the Chinese Communist Aggressions, and the previous WWII Chancellor Hitler NAZIs, Mussolini Fascists, Stalins Dictatorship; the DemoncrapticParty welcomed them with open arms to defeat the more popular Repugnant Politicians. From the 1950s till the 1970s the Demoncraptic Party became more populated by Communists and Socialists. Previously during the Great Depression the "Italian Organized Crime" had taken over the US Labor Unions and US Insurance Corporations as "Profitable Businesses with Political Clout"; this is why after WWII the US Labor Unions adopted the identical tactics of the Chancellor Hitler SA, Mussolini Facists as Violent "Union Tactics" (see quote of US Labor Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior above, stating the Murder of anyone that disagrees. Same as what Chancellor Hitler's SA stated before). The US Labor Unions, and US Insurance Corporations eventually Lobbied (Bribed) the US Politicians to get into everything while using Propaganda to claim they created the "Middle Class", "Apprenticeship Programs", "Work Place Safety", "Minimum Wages", "Federal Labor Laws", etc. that actually were created by President FDR prior to WWII withhis US Military Defense Industrial Complex to get the US out of the Great Depression with the Sales of War Materials to England, France, Russia, China, etc. in exchange for tons of gold, silver, raw materials, etc. resulting in the US coming out of the Great Depression 1939 before US Entry into WWII of 1941. President FDR's US Military Industrial Complex stop the massive US Unemployment, during WWII Selective Service of US Men, the US Women took their Men's place in the Plants and Factories of President FDR's US Military Industrial Complex creating more "available income", "dual incomes", and the "Middle Class". To stop Catastrophic Accidents at President FDR's US Military Industrial Complex Plants and Factories, President FDR instituted Nationwide the Recommendations of the US War Department Study pertaining to Work Place Safety (including length of women's hair), Safety Review Boards (and Investigations), Apprenticeship Programs (still used by USN), Skills for Pay, Federal Labor Laws, Child Labor Laws (excluding Family Farms), Universal Health Care For All US Citizens, Minimum hours sleep and maximum hours of work from US War Department Sleep Deprivation Studies, etc. as those things as propagnda that the US Labor Unions later claimed they did.

Repugnants will come right out and state that they are being funded, supported, sponsored, etc. by the Rich, Corporations, etc..

While the Demoncraps will hide behind closed doors, in closets, etc. taking money from the Rich, Corporations, etc. while denying or claiming "from the people". This of course makes Demoncraps more susceptible to corruption, blackmail, being manipulated, etc. for fear of being exposed. The typical excuse the Demoncraps state after being caught red handed is the Repugnants did it too, without realizing that it is their own Demoncraptic Party Ideals or Platform not the Repugnants Party Ideals or Platform (Acceptable for Repugnants to be supported, funded, sponsored by the Rich, Corporations, etc.).

Pertaining to Illegal Aliens (Loyal Citizens of Another Nation).

It has been President Obama's stated "Agenda" to Legalize the over 23 Million Illegal Aliens at the US, Associated Press Article August 2009:

And immigration remained a sore spot. While Obama has said he'd like to start crafting an overhaul that legalizes millions of Mexican immigrants, there's little chance of Congress acting this year, since even top administration priorities like health care and climate policy are moving slowly amid heated partisan debate.

In April 2009 President Obama stated his Southern US Border Policy as, "US Military will not be used to secure the US Borders".

In August 2009 President Obama stated his Northern US Border Policy as "US Military will not be used to secure the US Borders".

Since the US Court Injunctions against the use of irrigation water, to save over 20 Endangered Fish Species, most of the California Vegetable and Fruit Basket were shut down resulting in most US Vegetables and Fruits coming from South and Central Americas NOT the US; that lame excuse that Illegal Aliens provide most of the US Fruits and Vegetables.

Ever since the Lawyers of La Raza (THE RACE, as in Racist) defeated Calfornia Proposition 187 (Must be a US Citizen to obtain Public Assistance of Any Kind paid for by US Citizens ) in the Federal 9th Circuit Court, the Illegal Aliens at the US HAVE Been Receiving Public Assistance of Any Kind Nationwide. At California alone that became Billions per year for Education, Free Health Care, Imprisoment for Violent Crimes (Rape, Murder, Armed Assault, etc.) as 1/4th of the California Budget that then became unavailable for the Programs, Projects, Public Works, Benefits, Entitlements, etc. for Legal US Citizens and their Families.

Does that give you an idea of what by Observable Actions and Results REAL "Liberals" (Demoncraps) are.

The immigration system isn't broken. That's the damn problem.

It's just too full from all the people waiting in line to come here who have been trampled over by the millions of illegal aliens rolling over the Southern border.

Go ahead and loosen the restrictions and safety measures that are in place that we have been so lax on anyway lately. We don't need any freaking health requirements or skills or education requirements for new immigrants. We are the cesspool for the rest of the world to dump their unwanted and overcrowded humanity while we send them foreign aid to enable them to feed the ones who stayed behind so they can breed more.

add to post#1.51.

About the Liberals not even listening to their Liberal President Obama, from President Obama's Inaugeral Speech:

We cannot mistake absolutism for principle, or substitute spectacle for politics, or treat name-calling as reasoned debate.

Dennis

As regards post # 1.12, you forgot to add clean police records with zero gang affiliation!

“Our journey is not complete until we find a better way to welcome the striving, hopeful immigrants who still see America as a land of opportunity,” he said Monday

This is a nice sugar coating, almost apologetically making excuses for the fact these 'striving' hopefuls are here illegally! Until we find a better way? As if we are obligated to do anything other than show them the door! Of course, the libbie mindset of 'we are the world' of spend spend spend includes footing the bill for illegal aliens and give them a carte blanche free ride on our dime. Meanwhile we have real problems including the fiscal nightmares as well as a spiralling national debt- now they want to find a 'better way' which will include nothing more than spending money on people who showed poor faith entering our country illegally to begin with.

Throw them out! That's our 'better way'!

Well you know if you throw enough $hit against the wall something is bound to stick. This POTUS can't stay on task to accomplish anything.

He's trying to do everything EXCEPT what is needed, which is a BUDGET, CUT SPENDING, and ECONOMY.

Anyone hear anything from the President Job Council?......

Good job dems.

President Obama's push for comprehensive immigration reform comes after his sweeping advantage with Latinos in his re-election

Welcome to Amexico! Get ready to cater to Mexicans by both parties, they are the new majority voting block of the future. Lets find out what they want and give them everything so that we may win elections! andale andale arreeebaa !!!!

The killing of the American dream is the price of tuition that a hard working sixth generation American doesn't deserve..On top of that is the on slot of China's graduates..

If we want to fix the illegal immigration problem then we need to increase the work visa numbers again and make it easier for the migrant farm workers to come here and travel back home. The problem started back in 1986 during the amnesty bill that the house and senate passed and Reagan signed into law. Reagan didn't like the bill but he knew if he vetoed it he would it would be over ridden. He didn't want time wasted on an over ride so he held his nose and signed it into law. What he did not like about it is that it slashed the number of seasonal migrant workers visas. Now here in lies the problem. The typical illegal alien coming up from Mexico will pay a coyote about $2500 to sneak him into the country. Once he is here he can no longer go home and visit his wife and family because then it will cost him another $2500 to get back over here. The risk is to great to him and his family of getting caught and then being out of a job and $2500. So what he does is pay to have his wife snuck over. Compound that with an out of date amendment (14th) to our constitution that prevented slaves from being sent back to Africa and we now have the whole anchor baby problem.

First the 14th amendment to the constitution needs to have the anchor baby clause amended. Leave the rest of the 14th alone as it is fine.

Second we need to reissue the correct number of migrant farmer work visas so that they can come and work the fields and travel freely back home to visit their families when need be. I know of a couple of illegal immigrants who couldn't even go home to attend the funeral of their loved ones because the economical burden and risk it involved.

Implementing these 2 simple task would benefit every one involved and decrease the burden to the tax payer.

1. we would finally know who is in this country and if they deserve to be here.

2. The migrant farm worker would be paying his or her fair share of income taxes.

3. We would start to decrease the tax dollars being given to illegals in order to feed and educate their anchor babies.

4. It just makes plain sense.

Some of you may have heard this from me before so bare with me.

I have a friend that works for the IRS. She and I talked about immigration issues. She told me that the amount of money that "illegals" may get from the US government pales compared to the money they put in and never claim. The problem she went on to say was the business's that use them not paying their tax, as well as the large companies that profit off their labor not paying tax.

The second thing that she pointed out was that our crop prices would be out of sight or rot in the fields due to not having enough labor to harvest, because not very many US citizens are going to get off of their lazy asses to go out and work the fields....they think there are worth more than that.

So the next time you bad mouth "illegals" think about those two facts. We should be thanking them for feeding us.

isnt it strange , a day after msnbc (wonder who put them up to it?) tells the public what they want , (MAJORITY WANT ILLEGALS TO STAY). the comrade n chief says hes going to give us what we want , didnt anyone see the poll taken on msnbc's website? I had tried researching the particulars on the WSJ & NBC poll from the original news post & couldnt find who , when or where the poll was taken . Did they call & poll mexico? Because the results were 5 to 1 opposed to illegals allowed to stay. I suggest round them up , ship them back , then bill the mexican govt (cartel) for reimbursement.

Steve-3564331

Most crops are harvested by machine now a days. If you want to find the illegals, get some work done on your house. The trades are completely monopolized by them. By the way, you cant pay into the tax system without a SS number. False arguments...

Kornfed

I invite you to come to California and see just how many crops are not done with machines and tell me that.

Using a false SSN is what we where talking about, that and the amount they pay in sales tax. You would be surprised after an audit of border Western Unions and check cashing business's how much money goes to Mexico from the "illegals" that work the fields(The IRS was tracking money transactions to see if drug money was being filtered when they came across the stats and did the analysis).

Unless you have information that proves otherwise, I'm inclined to believe it. She would have no benefit in lying to me, as I thought the same at first get rid of all the illegals.

I support legal immigration. I don't support amnesty because it is not fair to people standing in line at consulates around the world.

Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... But not prove they are a citizen.

Supporters of laws like this are just insane.

Not a single one has ever been able to answer this question. "Why should a person who is here illegally be granted privileges that someone who is working to come here legally doesn't have?"

This is the hypocrisy of the Left.

sittingonafence- Agreed that the whole 'anchor baby' distortion of the amendment is a travesty and it completely defies the original point and premise.

Illegals born here should not simply get citizenship. They should get a shirt that says "My parents came here illegally and had me and all I got was this stupid t-shirt" right before getting put on the bus back to Mexico.

I have no issues whatsoever with immigration... when done legally.

Steve...

Your friend is full of crap, especially about the taxes.

They file tax returns on stolen SS numbers and when they get through claiming all the children in their households, they get back more than they ever put in.

Please don't make me paste the story of the Puerto Rican man who was arrested because an illegal had been using his identity and took a new auto for a test drive and didn't bring it back. Another Puerto Rican almost had to get a divorce because a female illegal used his SS number to file a tax return as his divorced wife and when his real wife read the letter from the IRS denying their refund because it had already been sent to the divorced "wife" she thought her husband had another family.

The entire population of Puerto Rico had to have their SS numbers reissued last year because of the wholesale theft of the identities of the population. In light of that, the SS office explained just how easy it is to steal a SS number by random chance. They are now urging parents of PRE-KINDERGARTEN children to check with the credit bureaus to see if their children have credit histories established... a clear indication that someone has hijacked the child's SS number.

After Obama done with this country we wont need to worry about illegals. They'll leave voluntarily because there won't be enough money here for them!

Thank God we have a President who actually gets things done, regardless of House GOP. If it where possible, I would vote for him again in 2016. Since it isn't I know President Hillary Clinton will finish the job.

WheresCongress

Liberals want to save animals, but kill unborn babies. (Abortions)

Liberals are against eating meat, yet don’t mind using dead babies for stem cell research.

Liberals are so gung-ho about equal rights and want gay marriage, yet they don’t mind the STATE regulating the CHURCH in terms of the word marriage. So much for separation of church and state.

Liberals attack Christians yet defend muslim radicals the ones who kill Americans.

Liberals like Michael Moore condemn rich people but are rich themselves.

The liberal double standard goes way beyond that, because they control the debate. When conservatives change the terms of the debate by introducing facts, liberals start calling names to divert the attention back to their theory.

Look at the "health care reform" debate. Every time it was pointed out that this had nothing to do with health, or care, or reform, they changed the parameters of the debate, focusing on insurance companies. Once it was pointed out that their plan is the same as the insurance companies, they demonized the companies. Once it was pointed out that the government is far more uncaring and denies more than insurance companies, they changed the debate to cost. Once it was pointed out how much it would cost, the passed the bill in the middle of the night on Christmas eve.

Do I make myself clear?

Next up: Immigration....

"Welcome the immigrants" says Obama..... no mention as to whether they are illegal...pathetic Prez.

We AMERICANS can no longer afford to have an enemy country on our border that raids the United States at will and steal US resources from poor Americans.

It is now time to force MEXICO to become a MELTING POT, too!

Land 50,000,000 immigrants from around the world into Mexico and force Mexicans to SHARE THE WEALTH!

The vast majority of illegals came into this country between 2001 and 2006. So, like the economy, this is simply another Bush disaster President Obama has to clean up. And of course, the right wing entertainment industry, Limbaugh the junkie, Fox, etc. blames the problem on Obama and all their well trained parrots repeat the talking points.

screminmimi

The entire population of Puerto Rico had to have their SS numbers reissued last year because of the wholesale theft of the identities of the population

Puerto Rico is a US territory. It has nothing to do with what the topic is, as most "illegals" come from Mexico not the US Virgin Islands or Puerto Rico. Why? because both are all ready part of the US.

Brenda

Sorry to disagree with you here but the fact is that Obama has kept almost none of his campaign promises from his first four years and I have little doubt it will be the same this term. He has not done a thing that has benefited me or my family that I am aware of. You want to vote for him again in 2016? You may get your chance as at the rate he and his minions are going trying to mess with the U.S. Constitution, there will probably no longer be any term limits and he could get himself voted president for life. And please save any Republican/GOP barbs as I am neither Republican or Democrat so they would mean nothing. I vote Independent nowadays as both of the aforementioned parties are pale pathetic shadows of their former selves whose members mostly will lie, cheat, and steal to get into office in DC and stay there all the while lining their pockets with our tax money!

"Sorry to disagree with you here but the fact is that Obama has kept almost none of his campaign promises."

It's not easy to do what you want when you have to deal with a House of Representatives who will block everything you want to accomplished for no other reason than to prevent your from accomplishing anything and a Senate with Senators who will filibusterer bills they even sponsor as soon as they find out you favor them.

Welcome to politics as usual in DC. Do you honestly think it would have been any different with a Republican president and a Democrat controlled House of Representatives? Of course not! That is just the nature of the beast.

Obama, why don't you focus on jobs and the economy "like a laser" like you have promised over the last FOUR YEARS!!

Obama is now the proud title holder of the WORST economic recovery in United States history. Is he planning on beating his OWN record for the NEXT four years being even WORSE?!?!?

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Arizona bill would compel hospitals to check immigration status

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Under a bill introduced this week in Arizona, hospital staffs would be compelled to check whether uninsured patients are in the country illegally.

If the patients can't provide proof that they are in the country legally, hospital staff would have to call federal immigration officials or local law enforcement. The bill by state Rep. Steve Smith also would require hospital officials to file annual reports of how many people they treated who were in the country illegally.

Smith, a Republican from Maricopa, was not available for comment, but has said that H.B. 2293 is designed to track how many people who are in the country illegally receive free medical care in the state. The aim, he has said, is not to withhold care but to collect information.

Immigrant rights organizations say the bill is misguided, targets immigrants and essentially requires hospital workers to police immigration.

Officials with the National Coalition for Immigrant Women’s Rights called the bill “unconscionable,” saying it would hit immigrant women particularly hard and create a chilling effect on immigrants seeking critical and preventive care for themselves and their families.

“This bill would legalize harassment of immigrants and, in fact, of any woman who looks like she could be an immigrant,” stated Jessica González-Rojas, executive director of the National Latina Institute for Reproductive Health.

Under the bill, citizens from other countries would have to prove that their nation participates in the visa waiver program recognized by the United States or provide a non-immigrant U.S. visa. Those who can prove Canadian citizenship would be exempt from having to show any sort of visa.

The U.S. was the world's largest creditor… Today, we're the biggest debtor in history.

But nothing sticks to Teflon.!!

Congress and President do not enforce the current immigration laws, why should I believe they will enforce new laws?

I want a law to cover US roads and public buildings with signs that point

ILLEGALS: MEXICO IS THAT WAY>>>>>

Deportations under Obama (all records): FY2010 = 392,000; FY2011 = 397,000; FY2012 = 410,000 for a total of 1.2 million in the last 3 years.

Remember that 80% of Hispanics that you see are legal citizens of the US.

@Obama's Mexicans you are probably familiar with Arizona's SB1070 right? It gives state troopers the right to pull someone over and request to see their papers if they think someone is in America illegally. I think this law should be enacted around the entire country, don't you?

But in order for it to be morally right and legal it can only be enforced by Native American Indians!

ILLEGALS: EUROPE IS THAT WAY>>>>>

TrustVerify

Native American Indians??

I remember when they were just Injuns and you couldn't give em whiskey or sell em guns.

The people that have a right to the land are the people that bring civilization to it. Therefore, white Americans are the true owners of North America.

GuyLittle

The U.S. was the world's largest creditor… Today, we're the biggest debtor in history.

AND the richest man in the world is Mexican!

Somethin' funny is goin' on.

Wow talk about being short sided.

When was the last time you saw any "white man" out in the fields picking away for little pay?

These people do the jobs you don't want to do. They are hired by companies that are willing to pay them low wages so you can run to the store and get your fruits and veggies, and not have to bother getting into your car and finding a field to pick.

If you deported all Illegals out of California what you would see is a complete shut down of our agriculture system.....You wouldn't be bitching about the price of gas for long, when a head of lettuce is $9.00.

Taking American jobs away.....Give me a break.

I'll also say that if big business and the US government didn't like it they would damn well make sure that the Peso was more equal to the US dollar as we are with Canada's.

Are you stating to get the picture here?

This didn't happen under this Administration....It's been going on for years!

The Republican party should put their lazy kids in the nations farm fields picking our agricultural products so their families don't go hungry, but would their kids work for peanuts ???

seaskip

ROLMFAO....I see you get it.

Ed-NavDoc

Brenda

Sorry to disagree with you here but the fact is that Obama has kept almost none of his campaign promises from his first four years and I have little doubt it will be the same this term. He has not done a thing that has benefited me or my family that I am aware of.

"Ask not what your Country can do for you, but what you can do for your Country." Sorry your me me attitude is blinding you on what he has done. I for one am enjoying being able to keep my kids on my benefits until the age of 26 instead of the low age of 18. That is just one thing he has done for everyone that has children. In return, he has my full support and so will Hillary Clinton when she gets elected as the next President of the United States. Republicans... always me me me.

Sorry to disagree with you here but the fact is that Obama has kept almost none of his campaign promises from his first four years and I have little doubt it will be the same this term. He has not done a thing that has benefited me or my family that I am aware of. You want to vote for him again in 2016? You may get your chance as at the rate he and his minions are going trying to mess with the U.S. Constitution, there will probably no longer be any term limits and he could get himself voted president for life

It may surprise you, but the original Constitution did not have a term limit for Presidency. That was an amendment to the Constitution brought about by Republicans. So the Republicans don't even follow the Constitution so why would you expect anyone else to do what you are not willing to do?

I am against amnesty, ever, and for protection of our sovereignty (border control) always. We need to improve our legal entry process with fairness to all parts of the world. With that said...

We do not want to fill high-paying jobs with foreigners. We want to structure arrangements like the DeVry and Cisco agreement to educate to job positions, but I believe this should be focused on American citizens and not foreign students.

We want to be somewhat discriminating like other countries who require education and assets, balanced with workers to do the jobs Americans won't do -- Though if the minimum wage was indexed to inflation, Americans would do most of those jobs.

Until the baby boomers are out of the system, we need more younger workers than we have per the birth rate. But this will not always be the case, so some--especially seasonal agriculture jobs--should be immigrant worker programs per the past, which were properly managed and very effective. We need to make sure all who are working are paying taxes in exchange for the right to be here.

Carry on...

Brenda, I am fully aware that term limits were a Constitutional Amendment. What difference does it make which party was responsible as it is still a part of the Constitution either way. As I said above, whatever anti Republican comments you want to throw out, feel free as I could care less! And as for your snide attempt regarding what I can do for my country? Throw that at someone else. I served my country honorably in uniform for 20 years and survived two wars from Vietnam to the 1st Gulf War. I think I can honestly say I did my part in spades! How about you?

If you want to feel all warm and fuzzy about what you see as Barak Obama accomplishments, more power to you. That is your right, just as it is mine to disagree. I live six blocks from the border fence in the SE corner of Cochise County in Arizona. This is ground zero for illegal immigration. I have illegals running the alleys behind my house every night 365 days a year rain or shine. I have been the victim of a home invasion by armed illegals carrying weapons stole from my neighbors, so my views on illegals are obviously a bit different from yours. I am a staunch supporter of SB-1070 and have no sympathy for illegals in this country. When Obama can honestly say he is doing something meaningful and honest regarding immigration reform other than to increase the Democratic voter base by amnesty, then I might have something positive to say about him. And as one last item, I also happen to be of Mexican/American descent with the emphasis 100% on the American portion! Have a good day.

The Obama immigration plan is a simple one, welcome. Sign here to become a citizen of the United States. Sign here to become a member of the Democratic Party. Now if you like government handouts, go vote Democrat.

Wonder what large group of criminals will be demanding rights next?

Every illegal in this country is giving the USA (and its law-abiding citizens) a salute with a raised middle finger.

Rick-3416939

How does one get these handouts you keep talking about.....Is there a web site or phone number or what that I need to contact....I didn't get mine....I worked for everything I got.

Just because you may not have had to in your life ever rely on anything supported by the Federal/State Government (which I highly doubt that you have), doesn't mean that someone at sometime may need a hand-up not a handout.....There is a big difference between the two.

Find a new line.

You must be one of those people that don't remember that our country was built on the blood, sweat, tears of immigrants and slaves. Never mind the fact that at one time most of the south belonged to them in the first place.

Ed-NavDoc

What difference does it make which party was responsible as it is still a part of the Constitution either way.

psssst brenda1964 Don't ya love it....teehee.

I live six blocks from the border fence in the SE corner of Cochise County in Arizona. This is ground zero for illegal immigration. I have illegals running the alleys behind my house every night 365 days a year rain or shine. I have been the victim of a home invasion by armed illegals carrying weapons stole from my neighbors, so my views on illegals are obviously a bit different from yours

Two things here.....Move if you don't like it..It's a free country.

Oh wait.... there it is.... weapons stolen from someones home to commit a crime....Why the hell didn't they have them locked up in a gun safe or have trigger locks....Guns make us safer BS.

Go ahead Brenda take over from here.

johnluci

Every illegal in this country is giving the USA (and its law-abiding citizens) a salute with a raised middle finger.

Really??? Cause they are pretty friendly around here....No fingers flying....a lot of flags...but no fingers.

(here being San Diego County)

Ed-NavDoc

Brenda, I am fully aware that term limits were a Constitutional Amendment. What difference does it make which party was responsible as it is still a part of the Constitution either way. As I said above, whatever anti Republican comments you want to throw out, feel free as I could care less! And as for your snide attempt regarding what I can do for my country? Throw that at someone else. I served my country honorably in uniform for 20 years and survived two wars from Vietnam to the 1st Gulf War. I think I can honestly say I did my part in spades! How about you?

If you where aware of the amendment to the Constitution, then you would not have made a stupid remark saying that it is President Obama who is trying to take away your Constitutional rights, when all along the Republicans have already done that.

As far as your service in the military, thanks, but it may interest you to know that I served 10 years myself in the Navy. So before you criticize me, maybe you should find out the facts first. Otherwise you just sound silly.

Steve-3564331

Ed-NavDoc

What difference does it make which party was responsible as it is still a part of the Constitution either way.

psssst brenda1964 Don't ya love it....teehee.

LOL, yea, the guy is a standard Republican who looks the other way when others need something, but when it comes to him, he is first in the line for hand outs. He even said so in his post by saying what has Obama done for me? That is his only concern, himself and most Republicans call themselves Christians when in fact it is the Democrats who mostly follow the teaching of the bible while the Republicans would be like the pharacies.

Wait...Wait....What happened to cutting the deficits? What happened to JOBS? What happened to getting the economy going?

Obama....Focused on jobs like a laser since 2009.!!!

What happened to Congress especially the House GOP blocking his every move. Seems like they are still trying to slow him down. Until you fix that, I don't want to hear about anything else concerning President Obama. Clean up your own back yard before slinging mud at someone else.

"The U.S. was the world's largest creditor… Today, we're the biggest debtor in history."

Try to stay somewhat current. The change from the world's largest creditor nation to the biggest debtor in history happened more than a quarter of a century ago --- during the Reagan administration.

We need a major over haul in our immigration system to grant legal status to millions of undocumented workers in the US. The current program isn't working. "Out of common sense and fairness__."

George Bush, January 2004

Thank you, Dick. As all liberals would agree...George Bush was an idiot. So why is Obama worried about following all of George Bush's ideas.

And Brenda...I'm sorry....You're right. Obama is not responsible for anything in his presidency. It's all Beohner's fault...Even when the Dems controlled all 3 houses under Obama, I'm sure Bush or Beohner was still responsible somehow. Would you like some more kool-aid?

Wow brenda, good thing you have the republicans to blame everything on. If they weren't there, then what in the hell would you do?

Steve, really nice to see you care more about illegals than your own country. But what can you expect, you live in that cesspool called california.

Now which way is Dumbama screwing this one up? What do you think Alaska Dumb-Girl?

Obama
agenda: Next up, immigration

I am sure you are going to help this moron.

If the elite ruling powers of Mexico wanted to keep their own people they would.

They do not want their own people. They don't want the testosterone. They need a revolution.

But, the Mexican people don't fight for their country.

Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim Helu could do lots.

next up?

nothing has hapenned... no fiscal cliff fix, no debt ceiling fix, secretary of state isnt worked out, budget deal inst done, jobs arent fixed,

he spent a bunch of time on guns (which is wasted as its not gonna happen) and nothings fixed.... he got elected 2.5 months ago and nothing is resolved

Yep, good thing we have Republicans to blame, because they are actually responsible for this mess. Watch once the Democrats fix things and a Republican President takes over and then everything goes to hell. It happens every time.

oldhamletman

next up?

nothing has hapenned... no fiscal cliff fix, no debt ceiling fix, secretary of state isnt worked out, budget deal inst done, jobs arent fixed,

he spent a bunch of time on guns (which is wasted as its not gonna happen) and nothings fixed.... he got elected 2.5 months ago and nothing is resolved

Cry much? I realize you and your Republicon juice drinking fools lost, but wow, need some cheese with that whine?

Ursula, you are so full of it that your eyes must be quite BROWN by now !

Obama needs to get to work on the spending cuts he promised as part of the balanced approach. Time for him to man up and face some financial issues for once and quit playing politics.

If the Republican leadership in swing states fix the electoral college to suit their needs, there won't be any need to woo Hispanics - they just won't let their votes count!

This is obviously a racist statement. Then again, most democrats are secretly racists.

Unhappy - clearly you are not only unhappy but totally uneducted as well.

True That, SS!

But we all know that's why democrats always bring up race, right? Afterall, race is an important factor among democrats. If they didn't focus on a" white vs. minority" mentality how else would they stand to win. Apparently the other subjects, such as the economy, just don't interest them as much.

To the feeble mind of a Reich- winger, any time a Democrat mentions any question of race, or even so much as acknowledges that such exist, it is proof that said Democrat is a 'racist'.

"You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means."

I love that movie!

Jim - Obama is no MAN. Everything is an excuse, when has he EVER taken responsibility for ANYTHING? The blame game is his answer, 4 dead overseas, I'll throw Amb. Rice under the bus. Economy sucks for 4 years now, it still has to be GW's fault. Chicago, his hometown, murder capital of the Western Hemisphere. Not a word to be heard. A MAN takes responsiblity, Obama is a mama's boy plain and simple, there's always an excuse!

geo - spoken like the true hater you are. President Obama is more of a man than you or little jimmy could ever hope to be and you know it. Your jealousy consumes you more and more every day. Too bad little boys - you'll never measure up!

Worse than a Mama's boy; a would-be Socialist dictator. Remove the guns, spend the nation into BK, then declare martial law. That's the name of his game, despite all liberal lies to the contrary. Thanks to the 68 million gun owning Americans for erecting a steel wall against this traitorous DC gang.

Right... you and your fat, lazy, golfing buddies are going to take up arms against the most modern, well-equipped, exhaustively trained and battle- tested army in the world, and you'll repel the blue-helmeted invaders in their black helicopters, right?

You and your friends are going to live out that "Red Dawn" fantasy that you've been cherishing ever since 1984, right? You save democracy, and hey, maybe it'll even get you laid! Wouldn't that be something to brag about down at the bar!

Good Lord, protect me from being defended by idiots like this.

Peace!

@ geo-1957883

LOL, the economy is still suffering? Yup. Ever think that the damage from the 'Great Recession' was greater than you had thought? Or did you think that the fallout from all the fraud and negligence from the banks and elsewhere was going to get cleared up, fixed and forgotten about in under 4 years?

@ Unhappy-1583758

Grasp at straws much?

Though I do find it fascinating that you accuse the Democrats of being racist, yet the party as a whole seems to have a much broader sweeping appeal amongst minorities and women than the Republican party. It's amazing how so many minorities are naively flocking to a party that secretly hates them.

It couldn't possibly be the other way around could it? LOL

...course not

...It's just a coincidence that the GOP is mostly made up of a single homogeneous demographic

...It's probably just the party's marketing anyway...couldn't possibly be the content now could it?

While I've got your attention, could you help us all define the nuances of legitimate vs. pretend rape?

@Seriously N...R: I can offer you an old farmers analogy. Front hole Wheat hole. Back hole Corn hole. Still rape if forced, but the 2ed one shouldn't result in pregnancy. Poor way to poke fun, yet, not as pathetic as legitimate vs. illigitimate rape.

TYPICAL UNEDUCATED DEMONCRAP EMOTIVE NON FACTUAL OPINIONATED CRAPPING ALL OVER NEWSVINE'S "GET SMARTER HERE".

We need "Gun" Control, by having all the Anti Gun Nuts pulling their penis removed, so that they cannot procreate more of the uneducated emotive non factual opinionated Demoncrap creation of "Idiocracy", as depicted by movie, "Idiocracy".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U

AND remove all of all "Guns" from the President Obama (Chancellor Hitler) SA so that they cannot murder anyone that does not disagree with the Demoncraps:

"President Obama, this is your Army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong," Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior during the President Obama Reelection Campaign.

And GET AN EDUCATION ABOUT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE

An education about the Electoral College

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50133559n&tag=showDoorFlexGridLeft;flexGridModule

"The average citizen is too ignorant to determine the Highest Offices of the Land, President and Vice President", arguement while the Founding Fathers established the Electoral College, so that they (Rich Elitists) could maintain control over the too ignorant, while previously refusing to pay the "Rich Pay Their Fair Share", "Tax the Rich" of the British Stamp Act Taxes so they started the American Revolution.

DIDN'T ALL OF YOU DEMONCRAPS WANT A MORE DEMONCRAPTIC (Founding Fathers, "Democracy is Mob Rule", as to why they founded a REPUBLIC of America, not a Demoncrapcy) America. That would be by eliminating the Electoral College.

Seriously? No...Really?! - LOL, the economy is still suffering? Yup. Ever think that the damage from the 'Great Recession' was greater than you had thought? Or did you think that the fallout from all the fraud and negligence from the banks and elsewhere was going to get cleared up, fixed and forgotten about in under 4 years?

And what did President Obama do, other than blame the wrong person (Bush Bashing); since he did not know just like you the Cause. As the Cause being President Clinton's Eliminating the US Laws that made Illegal the Causes of the previous Depressions resulting in the current $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion Global Economic Crisis consisting of the Mortgage Crisis, Wall Street Crisis, Financial Crisis, Banking Crisis, Credit Crisis, etc..

And added to the above as a problem President Clinton's insisting on giving Loans (Mortgages) to those that did not have a viable means to repay those Loans (Mortgages).

So what did President Obama do. That would have started the US Economy to repair.

It is informing to remember here that the Republican god Reagan, just after supporting an assault weapons ban, granted amnesty to illegals and GW tried to do the same.

Why? Follow the money. Who hires illegals at below minimum wage? Big ag, big sweatshop and wealthy people who want cheap workers to tend their children and their grounds, in short mostly Republicans.

Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL), who has been an outspoken supporter of the DREAM Act and comprehensive immigration reform said after the meeting, “We all need to work together -- the president and Congress, Republicans and Democrats -- to get something done right away."

Well sure he's a staunch supporter. I mean, look at the last name. He probably has several illegal cousins here seeking that free ride on the backs of taxpayers

Luis Gutierrez has been STARVING the Americans who live in his district for years.

By stealing the money that is meant to feed all Americans, and feeding LATINOS ONLY, he shows how his is no better that a NAZI. The NAZIS his MEXICANS refused to fight!

Once again, the focus should be on the economy, jobs, and deficit. But the BOY can't focus on anything he doesn't know anything about nor does he want to. Keep you "takers" on the dole and stay in power and he's increasing his irresponsible, unaccountable, pick pockets to line the voter booths for him. Now he wants the ILLEGALS to get get amnesty ahead of those honest well meaning people who are standing in line and going throw the legal channels just to pad his voting base. Those of you who voted for him can defend him with your last breath because you are the takers that are bringing down a great nation just to get free stuff so you don't have to work. Your day of reckoning is near.

Jack in Portsmouth

Unlike you, jim lotsanumbers, most of us can hold more than one thought in our heads and can multi-task.

You're a callow, shallow guy whose life revolves around numbers--in your world, they're the only thing that exists.

The rest of us have a life. . . .

Every single thing in the world "revolves around numbers" until you figure that out, your having a life will be sorely limited. There's no such thing as random or chance, it's all about numbers.

1SGFitzsWife4ID

There's no such thing as random or chance, it's all about numbers.

How many lotteries have you won picking numbers?

My daughter in law is from Australia and she didn't get any special treatment. Treat all immigrants the same.

• Importing poverty via mass immigration

It’s actually somewhat amazing that anyone would question this. The education data alone shows that we are importing multigeneration poverty on massive scale.

1. “Importing Poverty”

“The government last week released its annual statistical report on poverty and household income. As usual, we — meaning the public, the media and politicians — missed a big part of the story. It is this: The stubborn persistence of poverty, at least as measured by the government, is increasingly a problem associated with immigration. As more poor Hispanics enter the country, poverty goes up. This is not complicated, but it is widely ignored.”

“Only an act of willful denial can separate immigration and poverty. The increase among Hispanics must be concentrated among immigrants, legal and illegal, as well as their American-born children. Yet, this story goes largely untold. Government officials didn’t say much about immigration when briefing on the poverty and income reports. The American Enterprise Institute, a conservative-leaning think tank, and the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal advocacy group for the poor, both held briefings. Immigration was a common no-show.

Why is it important to get this story straight?

One reason is truthfulness. It’s usually held that we’ve made little, if any, progress against poverty. That’s simply untrue. Among non-Hispanic whites, the poverty rate may be approaching some irreducible minimum: people whose personal habits, poor skills, family relations or bad luck condemn them to a marginal existence. Among blacks, the poverty rate remains abysmally high, but it has dropped sharply since the 1980s. Moreover, taking into account federal benefits (food stamps, the earned-income tax credit) that aren’t counted as cash income would further reduce reported poverty.

We shouldn’t think that our massive efforts to mitigate poverty have had no effect. Immigration hides our grudging progress.”

2. “Importing Poverty”

“The Fresno county city of San Joaquin has a higher share of children under 18 than any other California city, 41 percent compared to the state average of 25 percent. Orange Cove has the second-highest share of children. Both cities are over 95 percent Hispanic, and both have per capita incomes lower than the per capita income of Mexico, which was $10,000 in 2009, or $14,000 at purchasing power parity. Per capita income in San Joaquin was $8,000, and $7,500 in Orange Cove.”

3. “Importing Poverty? Immigration and the Changing Face of Rural America”

“In Importing Poverty? Philip Martin shows how the American farmer’s demand for a perpetual supply of low-cost labor transfers poverty from rural Mexico to rural America. He also demonstrates that, as it is currently organized, farmwork is sufficiently undesirable that not even desperate immigrants will continue to do it once they have nonfarm options.”

4. “Importing Poverty Immigration and the Growth of America’s Poor Population”

“The gap between immigrant and native poverty almost tripled in size between 1979 and 1997. The poverty rate for persons living in immigrant households grew dramatically, from 15.5 percent in 1979 to 18.8 percent in 1989 and to 21.8 percent in 1997, while over the same period the poverty rate for persons in native households stayed relatively constant at roughly 12 percent.

In 1997, more than one in five persons (21.6 percent) living in poverty resided in an immigrant household. And nearly one in four children in poverty now lives in an immigrant household. In comparison, only 9.7 percent of the poor lived in immigrant households in 1979.

The growth in immigrant-related poverty accounted for 75 percent (3 million people) of the total increase in the size of the poor population between 1989 and 1997. This increase is enough to entirely offset the 2.7 million reduction in the size of the poor population that results from the $64 billion spent annually on means-tested cash assistance programs.

Immigration is one of the primary factors causing the nation’s overall poverty rate and the number of people living in poverty to be higher today than they were 20 years ago. If immigrant-headed households are excluded, the total number of people in poverty in 1997 and the nation’s poverty rate would have been only slightly higher than it was in the late 1970s.

This rise in immigrant-related poverty was caused partly by an increase in the poverty rate for each wave of new arrivals. In 1979, the poverty rate for persons living in households headed by an immigrant who arrived in the ten year prior was 23 percent; by 1997, the poverty rate for individuals in households headed by a new immigrant had increased to 29.2 percent.

The increase in immigrant-related poverty was also caused by a slowing in the pace of progress immigrants make in moving out of poverty over time. For example, the poverty rate for immigrant households who arrived in the 1980s was still over 25 percent in 1997 — double that of natives.”

5. “Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts”

“Since the immigration reforms of the 1960s, the U.S. has imported poverty through immigration policies that permitted and encouraged the entry and residence of millions of low-skill immigrants into the nation. Low-skill immigrants tend to be poor and to have children who, in turn, add to America’s poverty problem, driving up governmental welfare, social service, and education costs.

Today’s immigrants differ greatly from historic immigrant populations. Prior to 1960, immigrants to the U.S. had education levels that were similar to those of the non-immigrant workforce and earned wages that were, on average, higher than those of non-immigrant workers. Since the mid-1960s, however, the education levels of new immigrants have plunged relative to non-immigrants; consequently, the average wages of immigrants are now well below those of the non-immigrant population. Recent immigrants increasingly occupy the low end of the U.S. socio-economic spectrum.[2]

The current influx of poorly educated immigrants is the result of two factors: first, a legal immigration system that favors kinship ties over skills and education; and second, a permissive attitude toward illegal immigration that has led to lax border enforcement and non-enforcement of the laws that prohibit the employment of illegal immigrants. In recent years, these factors have produced an inflow of some ten and a half million immigrants who lack a high school education. In terms of increased poverty and expanded government expenditure, this importation of poorly educated immigrants has had roughly the same effect as the addition of ten and a half million native-born high school drop-outs.”

Louie Bee

1SGFitzsWife4ID

There's no such thing as random or chance, it's all about numbers.

How many lotteries have you won picking numbers?

More than I have picking letters that's for sure.