Bull@!$%#! republicans took over congress back in the mid 90s. Just about the time jobs started going overseas, corporations started gettig huge tax breaks at the expense of middle class America and healthcare reform was shelved for over a decade!

The GOP needs to get honest at this gathering and just breakout their crackpipes. Their menalitiy of a 1% nation is so far our there they all must be smoking rocks or meth everyday. The GOP is lost and as a former Repubilcan I am done with them.

I doubt the GOP will ever get past their denial including the delusional followers still posting support here............

Well..GOP..good luck with that.

The Republicans have a plan. Don't you worry, they want to break up the key states that give their electoral votes on a winner take all style to giving the electoral votes out by their gerrymandered districts. If their plans were in effect this last election Obama would have lost with 51% of the popular vote. One problem, how long do the minority think they can shove their agenda down the throats of the majority before we over throw them in a coup?

Nice "cut & paste" job Roy!

You don't know the half of it BigRed. He's tried to make the case before that Carter causes the recession of 1979/80 and rejected the concept that it was created by the Fed to break staflation. Now he uses the same argument he rejected then to try to claim we're on the verge of hyperinflation.

That's how Roy rolls.

Unless I miss my guess, President Carter was in office from January 1977 until January 1981 and he had a democratic majority in both houses. Since he was the president and he had a friendly/partisan congress, how can the blame be shifted to anyone else? I blame Carter and the sad thing is I voted for him. Twice. Mea culpa.

The right wing extremist american teabag taliban gop is finished. The last election exposed them for what they are, archaic dinosaurs from the robber baron days who are plutocratic corporate shills. In 2014 the rational thinking majority of Americas voters will put an end to their campaigns of lies, fear and voter suppression..............good riddance!!!

calll to order: the meeeting of the he man woman haters club. first speaker is newt gingrich discusssing techniques on how to abanadon a cancer stricken mate.

The "happy" party? lol

Reince is the face of failure for the GOP. They fired the black man, Michael Steele, who gained them many seats in the House. And rewarded the white guy, Reince, for failing miserably and losing all three branches of the government. The Presidency, seats in the House, and seats in the Senate. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously with Reince as the face of your leadership. You reward failure. Let me repeat, just in case you didn't get it the first time. You Reward failure. You should be annihilated as a party.

David495013

Do not let these leftist sh#ts ruin our great country.

Exactly, women voting, inter-racial marriage???

This country is doomed (for the 40th time)

An offside comment, but sometimes I think these gophers are so hateful just because their parents gave them names like Reince Preibus, Willard, Newt, etc. Tell me they were not heavily and often bullied as kids. And these are the 21st century equivalent of the wasps of the past. Sure, we have some unusual names, by 1950 standards, in all of politics, but the gophers definitely have a monopoly. Ever see one of them smile? Just look at preibus' photo above.

Roy Wilson 1.7-

I'm not about to argue formulas since I'm not fully acquainted with those economic tools. What I CAN do is fact check. Please explain these comments:

"1. ....If history is a guide, we can expect the Interest alone on the National Debt to increase to slightly over $1 Trillion per year in 2016, an increase of over $800 Billion per year above the average of $199 Billion per year paid under Bush."

AND

"...because the Federal Reserve has been 'creating' more money to fund the huge current government Deficits."

While you openly state that interest on the National Debt is rising, you insinuate that we have increasing budget deficits.

Both of these are denied by simply following this link to http://www.usdebtclock.org/ where you will find the "Interest on National Debt"(second set of numbers below the BIG red National Debt numbers)declining and just above that in the National Debt numbers you'll see the budget deficit numbers decreasing as well.

Please explain how these items seem to be misrepresented in your commentary.

Check this comment; If we never had Bush II in office we would still have a balanced economy, positive cash flow and almost no debt. Bush II took on the policy of borrowing huge amounts of money from China to support his tax break for the wealthy. And then destroyed the economy leaving the Democrats to put America back together.

The GOP isn't down and out but has lost touch with America and is on count 7.

@Stevefoo, the first time I saw Bobby Jindal on TV I thought Saturday Night Live was on and I kept checking my remote. The GOP party is stupid in his words because they elected boobs like Jindal. Watch him if you can for more than 2 minutes and see if he does not make you laugh.....

Just to provide additional information from the Debt Clock numbers:

Of the six largest budget items listed 3 are increasing and 3 are decreasing.

Increasing:

Social Security

Defense/Wars

Federal Pensions

Decreasing:

Medicare/Medicaid

Income Security

Interest on Federal Debt

It seems to me that were stuck in terms of decreasing those items that are now increasing. Democrats hold Social Security as sacred. Republicans hold Defense/Wars as sacred. Good luck on Federal Pensions. Both sides would probably like to decrease that number but I'd bet neither side would include themselves nor any of their buddies spread about within government. That basically leaves the cooks and janitors pensions which I'm sure all those rich politicians believe is too high. So goes the common man.

• Advice to the GOP

Stop badmouthing women.

Stop badmouthing Hispanics.

Stop badmouthing blacks.

Stop badmouthing gays

Stop badmouthing people who are paid by the hour.

Stop badmouthing unions

Stop badmouthing teachers.

Stop badmouthing firemen.

Stop badmouthing policemen.

Stop badmouthing poor people.

Stop badmouthing college graduates (Rick Santorum)

Stop badmouthing anyone who disagrees with you about anything.

Stop badmouthing the media (constantly)

Stop badmouthing mainstream churches.

Stop badmouthing atheist.

Stop badmouthing Muslims.

Stop badmouthing science

Stop sucking up to Rush the Junkie.

Stop sucking up to Fox Propaganda.

Stop sucking up to crazy conspiracy theorist.

Stop sucking up to the crazies of the crazies at the NRA.

Stop sucking up to fundamentalist so called “Christian” ministers.

Call out your crazies like Michelle Backnamm.

Call out your crazies like the Donald.

Call out your crazies like Sarah Palin.

Call out your crazies Rick Santorum.

Call out your crazies like Ted Nugent.

Call out the birthers among your own.

Call out flagrant racism among your own.

Stop trying to win electing by making it harder to vote.

Stop your hypocrisy.

Stop your unending, 24/7/365/ endless WHINING!!!!!

Stevefoo, Jindal talks a good game. Walkin' the talk, not so much. Just in the past week or so, he cut hospice care in the state budget. Boy, THAT will win votes! Jindal must be counting on voter amnesia.

"Growth And Opportunity" for whom, again, please? "Growth And Opportunity" my old Aunt Fanny!!!!

ROY WILSON-All your republikan friends stopped reading after the first paragraph, way beyond their reading skills. You know the Heritage Foundation pretty much is talking to itself. If they can't tune in to Fux Bull@!$%#news and be told what to think and what their opinions should be, well then, you've lost them. Cranial capacity and intellectual curiosity are not the hallmark of the average republikan voter.

Meanwhile in New Mexico we have a republikan legislator introducing a bill that requires female rape victims to bear the child of their rapist, lest valuable "evidence" be destroyed. And your crypto-fascist, failed VP nominee is pushing a bill that would empower rapists to sue their victims if that victim should become impregnated and have an abortion. Sounds like business as usual for the Grand OLD Party.

Just keep blathering on about inflation and money supply and discredited right wing economists. Nobody is listening, surely not your republikan buddies. But I have read your post and since I DO read, here is a suggestion for you: Bad Money ( Reckless Finance, Failed Politics and the Global Crisis of American Capitalism) by Kevin Phillips (2008) Maybe you remember Mr. Phillips. Intelligent and well educated, Phillips was, paradoxically, a highly respected conservative republikan political strategist. Pick up a copy if you can read rather than just cut and paste. You sound intelligent enough that it might change your opinion just a little or...if you are a true republikan you can use the book as a door stop.

BigRedJJJ "Nice "cut & paste" job Roy!"

Since the research was my own, that's hardly 'cut & paste'.

John B, Des Moines, IA "You don't know the half of it BigRed. He's tried to make the case before that Carter causes the recession of 1979/80 and rejected the concept that it was created by the Fed to break staflation."

I never 'rejected the concept that it was created by the Fed to break staflation.' In fact, I agree completely with that concept. It had to be done to bring Inflation under control, which got to over 14% per year under Carter, causing consumer Interest Rates to get to over 18% per year.

This sky-high inflation and interest rates was the result of Carter using the same policies as Obama is using now, except that Obamaa's policies are far more extreme, and the impending 'crash' will also be far more severe.

GOP is nothing more that right wing lunatics aligned with the rich people lobby, losing more and more relevance to the American people every day.

In an interview, Gingrich said that the future is bright -- if the party accepts a more "cheerful" attitude that makes voters more attuned to the opportunities presented by a Republican economic agenda.

I would have never guessed THIS is what's wrong with the Republican Party.

So, Republicans, next time you take away someone's Social Security and privatize it, or take away someone's Medicare and replace it with a vanishing voucher..........JUST SMILE WHILE YOU'RE DOING IT AND POINT OUT ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WILL PROVIDE!

Boy, that'll work good..........

DonInPhnx "Roy Wilson 1.7- Both of these are denied by simply following this link"

You make the mistake of thinking that the current Federal Reserve policy of record low interest rates (caused by just dramatically increasing the money supply) will continue indefinitely, which no serious economist believes.

Milton Friedman won his Nobel Prize in Economic by clearly showing that excessive money supply invariably leads to inflation. We are currently in the 'lag' period between the increased money supply and the resulting inflationary impact (typically a couple of years, but can be extended during a recession).

I can provide the information so people can prepare their financial affairs, but if you choose to ignore the historical evidence, that's up to you - just keep thinking that there really is a 'free lunch'.

Amazing to me that if the Democrats are in their hay day why can they not come together as a party and get anything done. Even when they had a super majority they choked. They are their own worse enemy, not the Republicans...

Max ... and the Dems are a bunch of left wing crazies aligned with needy people who want others to pay for everything. When this country was founded people desired to be rich and successful. Anymore people only want handouts and work the system...thank you liberal ideals.

Bluelake "ROY WILSON-All your republikan friends stopped reading after the first paragraph, way beyond their reading skills"

Exit polls conducted by the N Y Times indicate that one of Obama's largest margins of victory came from high school dropouts - in 2008 it was 63% for Obama vs 35% for McCain.

Other studies show that Republicans are far more knowledgeable about political and economic issues than the 'low-information' voters that went for Obama in 2008 & 2012.

By the way - I'm not a Republican.

GOP 2016 Rubio/Jindal or Jindal/Rubio

"Do not let these leftist sh#ts ruin our great country

The reason why the GOP is in bad shape is because they make comments like this. If you keep on listening to Rush Limbaugh, Fox, and every other nut job that comes around to tell you lies, the GOP will never regroup."

Yeah, the Republicans should start thinking like liberals then we won't have all of this partisan bickering! We will only have one party so that ought to cut costs. Just think how fast new legislation could be passed! Heck, we could already have the 2nd gone.

The day of the inauguration...republicons in Virginia started rigging the elections...gerrymandering while a democrat went to the festivities....Rigging he elections on the very first day...NOTHING has changed with republicons since the election. You cant count on even more rigging the elections, voter fraud, anything underhanded just to win an election.......all for the 1%.

GOP 2016 Rubio/Jindal

A pig with name recognition is still a pig. It ain't the messenger Republicans...it's the message.

Several days John Bohner said to the Ripon Society (something I had never heard of)

I think a lot of you have probably heard about our retreat last week,” Boehner stated. “We had the right mix of outside speakers and motivational speakers, and ample time for Members to actually talk to each other. ...

And given what we heard yesterday about the President’s vision for his second term, it’s pretty clear to me that he knows he can’t do any of that as long as the House is controlled by Republicans. So we’re expecting over the next 22 months to be the focus of this Administration as they attempt to annihilate the Republican Party. And let me just tell you, I do believe that is their goal – to just shove us into the dustbin of history. ...

“But listen, we are Americans and we will figure this out. These next couple of weeks, next couple of months, frankly, the next 20 months, are going to be a very difficult period for us. While we want to stand up and fight for more fiscal responsibility, want to stand up and find a way to move tax reform that will help our economy grow, to do the things we believe in, we’re going to be doing it in an environment that is going to be far more hostile than anything that I think we’ve seen for a long, long time. We’re going to have to make some big decisions about how we as a party take on this challenge. Where’s the ground that we fight on? Where’s the ground that we retreat on? Where are the smart fights? Where are the dumb fights that we have to stay away from?

He's right and wrong - when it takes "motivational speakers", this kind of rhetoric ("annihilation") you have to be convinced that the GOP has a death-wish. We Americans can figure it out - that's why you're in the position you're in.

They (the GOP) are the "hangover" of the 20th century and are waiting to die or drink themselves to death. Stop picking really dumb fights.

At the same website is an interview with John Huntsman ( http://www.riponsociety.org/forum124jh.htm) entitled "Anger is not a substitute for good policy"

It’s been widely reported that the Obama campaign feared a Huntsman candidacy more than any other. If he had been able to make it through the litmus test that has become the Republican primary, would he have been a better nominee – and better embodiment of the GOP – than Mitt Romney? The answer to that question will obviously never be known.

What is known is that Jon Huntsman remains one of the most accomplished Republicans in American politics today – someone who is not only able to articulate a clear and consistent conservative message, but do so in a measured and reasonable tone that attracts centrist support.

From the interview itself...

RF: What is the biggest myth about the Republican Party today?

JH: That we’re a party dismissive of 47 percent of the American public. That we are monochromatic in terms of our outreach and thinking. That we are too fringy and not willing to engage in negotiation and compromise that is critical and necessary for movement of any policy.

All of these things serve to give the Republican name a bad rap in many corners of the country. Aside from the policies you choose to propose and how you articulate them, we have to do something that fundamentally changes the image of the Republican Party.

RF: What is the hardest truth that Republicans today have to face?

JH: That without being a reality-based, solutions-oriented party, we have no future. If we can be a reality-based, solutions-oriented party, we can capture the demographics and we can find solutions to our most vexing problems -- which will require by the way, some element of compromise, because without compromise, you cannot further an agenda.

As long as compromise is seen as something akin to treason, it becomes impossible for us to move the policy ball forward.

A little introspection by the RNC might be worthwhile

Charlie (post 1.31),

you did it!!!! You've got the GOP's new platform!!!!!

have a great day.

starsailingThe day of the inauguration...republicons in Virginia started rigging the elections...gerrymandering"

I'm sure glad that the Democrats don't do such things, like in California, where the Democrats arranged districts so they get 67% of the seats while only having about 42% of the voters registered as Democrats.

lol

The day of the inauguration...republicons in Virginia started rigging the elections...gerrymandering while a democrat went to the festivities....Rigging he elections on the very first day...NOTHING has changed with republicons since the election. You cant count on even more rigging the elections, voter fraud, anything underhanded just to win an election.......all for the 1%.

By Nia-Malika Henderson and Errin Haines, Published: January 24

Republicans in Virginia and a handful of other battleground states are pushing for far-reaching changes to the electoral college in an attempt to counter recent success by Democrats.

In the vast majority of states, the presidential candidate who wins receives all of that state’s electoral votes. The proposed changes would instead apportion electoral votes by congressional district, a setup far more favorable to Republicans. Under such a system in Virginia, for instance, President Obama would have claimed four of the state’s 13 electoral votes in the 2012 election, rather than all of them.

Other states considering similar changes include Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, which share a common dynamic with Virginia: They went for Obama in the past two elections but are controlled by Republicans at the state level.

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus recently voiced support for the effort, saying it is something that “a lot of states that have been consistently blue that are fully controlled red ought to be looking at.”

Sean Spicer, a Priebus spokesman, said Thursday: “For these states, it would make them more competitive, but it’s not our call to tell them how to apportion their votes.”

No state is moving quicker than Virginia, where state senators are likely to vote on the plan as soon as next week.

If successful, Virginia would become the third state to adopt the congressional district system, after Nebraska and Maine.

The bill’s sponsor, state Sen. Charles W. Carrico Sr. (R-Grayson County), said he wants to give smaller communities a bigger voice. “The last election, constituents were concerned that it didn’t matter what they did, that more densely populated areas were going to outvote them,” he said.

“This is coming to me from not just my Republican constituents,” added Carrico, whose district voted overwhelmingly for Republican Mitt Romney in last year’s presidential election. “I want to be a voice for a region that feels they have no reason to come to the polls.”

The number of electoral college votes each state gets is determined by its congressional representation — one is awarded for each House member and each senator. The District’s three electoral votes are equal to the amount it would have if it were a state.

The proposed changes in Virginia probably would lead to a much smaller role for the swing state in presidential elections.

With 13 electoral votes, Virginia is one of the most attractive prizes in the nation. But most of its 11 congressional districts are either heavily Republican or heavily Democratic, so candidates would have little incentive to campaign on the possibility of peeling off an electoral vote or two. The state’s two remaining electoral votes would be determined by whichever candidate won the most congressional districts.

State Sen. Donald A. McEachin (D-Henrico) called the proposal one of Republicans’ many “sore-loser bills” related to elections and voting.

“The bill is absolutely a partisan bill aimed at defying the will of the voters, giving Republican presidential candidates most of Virginia’s electoral votes, regardless of who carries the state,” he said.

Pigotry - it is common wisdom that a competitive two party system is vital to democracy. I am not sure I buy that. I think that vigorous debate is vital, but debate in which one side has fanatically held assumptions not disconnected from reality is not real debate. California now has complete Democratic control of the state government. Things are looking up. We will see if they govern wisely but the gridlock that the Republicans forced is over. We voted to increase our taxes to pay for services we want. Let's see what happens.

Charlie-1915998

I don't think I could have said it any better than that. As long as the republicans continue to focus on whining, complaining, and pointing the finger of blame, they will never get my vote. The economy is a huge priority, but I am fed up with them trying to destroy my personal life.

Yeah, the Republicans should start thinking like liberals then we won't have all of this partisan bickering!

No, not what people are saying. Here's a thought: don't insult people who vote. That's what the GOP needs to do.

I'm not going to vote for a party that calls me a moocher simply because I don't make $75,000 a year and I get $15 in a refund every year at tax time. I'm not going to vote for a party that calls my wife a moocher because she's a stay at home mom and thus pays no income tax. I'm not going to vote for a party that calls my 18 month old daughter a moocher because she doesn't work. I'm not going to vote for a party that says I have no ability or drive to take responsibility for my life, even though I live within my means, own a modest home, own two cars, and insure everything, all without having ever taken one red cent of government benefits.

The GOP should be trying to get my vote. I'm a fiscal conservative, it wouldn't be a tough sell. But these guys call me a moocher with no sense of personal responsibility for limiting my tax liability using tax breaks their congresses passed. Mitt Romney just sealed the deal with his temper tantrum post-election. He meant every word. The gall of that group of misfits! Screw them! You don't punch somebody in the gut then ask for a favor!

Our country has always done fine UNTIL a Democratic congress was able to call the shots. check the timeline about our economic crisis.

and in related news, Rome really WAS built in a day.

I mean seriously. You're trying to pin blame on a Democratic House (I say "House", cause the Senate was tied with Dick Cheney as the tiebreaker) that wasn't seated until January 2007 for an economic crisis that has its roots traceable to a housing market that peaked in 2006 and a Liquidity Crisis that started in August 2007.

{Edited to add: I cannot recommend the post above mine more than once, but I most certainly would if I could.}

For those who think that Inflation is not going to be a problem in the future, and who refuse to see the similarities between the easy money policies of Jimmy Carter and those of Barack Obama, I would recommend the following article from the N Y Times;

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/04/opinion/04meltzer.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&th&emc=th

The 'easy money' threat is far worse now than when this article was written in May 2009, so the 'bubble' is far more extreme in its scope, and the current size of the National Debt makes the potential future 'correction' alarming.

Ignore the evidence if you wish, but don't say that you were not forewarned.

ROW WILSON--"Other studies show"...Other studies? I have conducted my own survey of the right wing republikans with whom I have come into contact, many in my own extended family. My methodology is simple. All of these republikans (many, self proclaimed tea partyers) consider Obama a "damn Communist or Socialist". I simply ask them to define Communism or Socialism, tell me a little about Marx and Engels and tell me a little about the history of these economic and political philosophies. To a person, every single one of them looked at me like I had just asked them to show me the equations that support Quantum Physics and String Theory. Not one of them could give me a coherent answer. Not one!

You can screw your "other studies", I tend to agree with Mark Twain when it comes to the three great lies. "There are lies, damn lies and statistics." And you sir, may call yourself an independent, but spout the republican drivel constantly.

From all the comments I've read, it seems that most of us get "it". However, the GOP does not get "it". They still insist that their ideology is valid in today's world. It's not, and until the GOP (if ever) gets "it", they will continue to shrink as a Party until just like the Whig party they disappear.

Bluelake "ROW WILSON--"Other studies show"...Other studies?.........You can screw your "other studies", I tend to agree with Mark Twain when it comes to the three great lies. "There are lies, damn lies and statistics.""

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/pew_political_iq_poll_republic.asp

http://internetscofflaw.com/2012/04/23/republicans-more-knowledgeable-open-minded-and-honest-than-democrats/

I think Twain attributed that saying to Benjamin Disraeli.

By the way - It's ROY Wilson, not ROW Wilson, although it does take a lot of effort to ROW through the BS from Liberals who think that there really IS a 'free lunch'. Also, I gave you the 'Economic Formula' that predicts inflation, which is available in virtually all textbooks on economics - you can ignore it is you wish, but it's always proved true in the past, so 'hoping' that it won't happen because of Obama's policies is foolhardy.

The stupid panel consists of the usual hacks including 3 who helped make this past convention and primaries one of the most disgusting, corrupt exercises in history just to shove Romney down everyones throat and make sure nobody heard the truth about money, the FED and foreign policy from Ron Paul. McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012 and the supposed problem is the far right having too much power???? lol Party of Stupid indeed!

Dick-2100935

If we never had Bush II in office we would still have a balanced economy, positive cash flow and almost no debt.

but you will have righties tell you to stop blaming Bush and/or Bush NEVER EXISTED and is just a figment of imagination of the left.

Basically, the right poisoned the tree by dumping bunch of toxic chemicals under its roots and then blamed the left for the tree getting sick and for not saving it fast enough.

Is it true that liberals watch FOX more than conservatives. It sure does seem that way from the many posts on here. It makes me laugh as it shows the insecurity of the left with their own platform as it mirrors the insightful rhetoric posted on #1.31.

A quote below, from one of the Liberal sides own journalists, outlines a "modern progressive" mantra.

The latest Pew Research shows that liberals are less tolerant of opposing points of view.The study finds liberals are far more sensitive about criticism. Liberal columnist Kirsten Powers noted that “Liberals, because they are used to controlling all the media, pretty much academia, that for them, when they hear things that don’t jibe with what they want to hear, it’s very disconcerting and unsettling to them.” K. Powers explained that after getting out of her own “Democratic bubble,” she noticed that conservatives tend to be more open to hearing opposing viewpoints than liberals."

Maybe the left needs to re-evaluate their own insolence.

"We must stop being the stupid party. It's time for a new Republican party that talks like adults," said Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal at his keynote dinner address Thursday night. "It's time for us to articulate our plans and visions for America in real terms. We had a number of Republicans damage the brand this year with offensive and bizarre comments. We've had enough of that."

Jindal was 100% correct when he said that, but it didn't take more than a few hours and he was in retreat / spin and back to changing the presentation of the ridiculous positions the GOP has become invested in the last 20 years, rather than shedding them. I find a lot to like philosophically in traditional GOP values, but they have been relegated to afterthoughts in the rush to emphasize party planks such as denying rights to women, attacking climate change research, stopping advancement of commercial / private industry spaceflight, and trying to rig elections through voter ID and gerrymandering. The GOP "war on science" has been surprisingly successful ... for the Democrats. In an increasingly technological society, the Republican party is doing everything in their power to drive critical, independent thinkers away from their "big tent" --- which is starting to look more like an old bed sheet strung over a clothes line in the backyard.

ROY WILSON-336103

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/pew_political_iq_poll_republic.asp

The Weekly Standard???? You use is an NEOCONSERVATIVE opinion magazine

that is too funny!

Where is your Fox News article that states that Fox News viewers are the smartest in the world?

hahahahahhaha

http://internetscofflaw.com/2012/04/23/republicans-more-knowledgeable-open-minded-and-honest-than-democrats/

this one doesn't even deserve making fun of because it's just sad to use as a source

Roy Wilson--Have you seen the Allstate commercial where the pretty blonde, about to meet the "french model" she has hooked up with over the internet tells the guy that you can't put anything on the internet unless it's true? He asks her "Where did you hear that?" On the internet she tells him.

Do me a favor. Save me from the links to right wing rags like The Weekly Standard. It's just garbage in and garbage out with those guys. You have the gall to say you're not a republikan? Please...

corporations started gettig huge tax breaks at the expense of middle class America

You mean just like the corporate tax breaks that obama pushed through in this last deal?

And all of you saying the GOP is nothing but a bunch of rich old white guys, maybe you should look at your party with Kerry? Reid? Pelosi?

The Weekly Standard???? You use is an NEOCONSERVATIVE opinion magazine

that is too funny?

And you libs post from huffington and other liberal rags, so what's your point? It's only true if it's on a site you read?

Hypocrites.

A standing ovation for a notorious con-man like Gingrich? Newt embodies one of the party's biggest problems: it's a scam. The sooner they wake up and disown the likes of Gingrich, Rove, Huckabee, Santorum, Trump, Demint, Fox News, etc., the sooner they can try to build a party around the idea of actually serving the American people instead of trying to find new ways to bilk them and line their own pockets or the pockets of their corporate overlords.

All of the enraged, extremist, rar-right rhetoric is designed to do exactly one thing: get conservatives so riled up that they won't notice when the party picks their pockets. It's the tactic that the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Beck, and others have been exploiting for decades, but now adopted and embraced not just by entertainment media figures, but by the political apparatus of the party. Republican voters have a severe case of Stockholm syndrome, but that's no longer enough to prop up an intellectually and morally bankrupt political party.

As long as the Republicans have people in their party like Rand Paul most American voters will walk away !!!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/pew_political_iq_poll_republic.asp

others have covered this.... weekly standard, yeah...

http://internetscofflaw.com/2012/04/23/republicans-more-knowledgeable-open-minded-and-honest-than-democrats/

Someone's personal blog linking to a Daily Caller article, that merely discusses (but does not link) a poll with but a handful of questions (undisclosed in the Daily Caller article) and musings on "social media" behavior. So um... yeah...

By the way - I'm not a Republican.

bull@!$%#. You're not fooling anyone.

we are a country full of individuals that so desperately need to be lead by one super leader, much like the rest of the world. The "new comers" don't understand a two party system and cannot learn to balance opinions/views of how things should be...basically the "new comers" want us to become where they came from...and they are hell bent on keeping one person/party as the "King"/rulers" who ever they choose it to be...its just the simple fact that we have become so diluted due to amnesty buying votes that people don't even know anything about this country anymore....and so they throw poop at the weak link, which currently is the GOP. I see it as tyrannical immigrants who never had to learn anything about the country they have completely infiltrated...USA. the values of the country i was born in, are gone, has been since B.Clinton and his predecessors used amnesty for votes (mostly Dem but Bush also used it)and it just escalates every time we have an election.

We actually have people on here stating that its ok for a one party system...after they used amnesty for votes during the presidential election....??? ummm yeah the gop is doomed no matter what they do....you bought votes, and not just for this election, but for the entire life span of the immigrant, you allowed to do illegal activities on american soil, on a daily basis....

bayllie "The Weekly Standard???"

I gave you 2 links, but that was just where it was reported, not the actual study, which was done by Pew Research - hardly a 'conservative' source.

Attacking the messenger is an old tactic to mask the truth, which is why I gave 2 links - try something new.

DrowningGrover "By the way - I'm not a Republican.........bull@!$%#. You're not fooling anyone."

Tsk, tsk, tsk - your intolerance is showing. It appears the Pew Research study was correct.

By the way - One doesn't have to be a Republican to be knowledgeable, just like one doesn't have to be a Democrat to be short-sighted, but there does seem to be a close 'correlation'.

lol

Roy,

There is plenty of ignorance to go around and no party has a monopoly on it.

Pragmatic-3918582 "Roy,There is plenty of ignorance to go around and no party has a monopoly on it."

Agreed - which is why I don't associate with either Party.

I merely posted what I see as important events that are likely to happen in the near future in my Post #1.7, based on a historical perspective. If people don't want to listen, that is their prerogative, but I find it interesting that they ignore the message and stick to the old 'attack the messenger' tactic.

Oh well, time to get my daughter ready for school.

Bye for now :)

Bobby Jindal: We must stop being the stupid party. [Now, obviously, I don't mean that we should stop saying or doing stupid things. That's ridiculous and the sort of thing only a RINO would say. The real problem is that there are too many people who realize that we're saying and doing stupid things. Our only path forward is to find new ways to dumb down the American public. Fox News' tabloid style news, tainted with a blatant political bias in its analysis and commentary, was a great start, but it's not enough. That's why I signed, in my state of Louisiana, a bill to divert public education funds to private schools with no real standards or accountability. We've got schools using fundamentalist religious curricula that teaches them that the Loch Ness Monster is real and that evolution is a fantasy. We've got materials from Bob Jones University that are blatantly designed to induct children into a ludicrous political ideology. Our ludicrous political ideology. That's how we win. We need to make America so stupid that it thinks we're smart. Then we can make them support whatever policies we want, whatever policies make us richer and more powerful at their expense. That's liberty!]

A quote below, from one of the Liberal sides own journalists, outlines a "modern progressive" mantra.

K. Powers explained that after getting out of her own “Democratic bubble,” she noticed that conservatives tend to be more open to hearing opposing viewpoints than liberals."

Kirsten powers is just another token, caving, stomp-all-over-me liberal, Faux News puts out there to cave in any time Krauthaumer looks back at her. She backs down every time. She's hardly the Rep any Democrat wants representing them.

When I get out of my "Democratic bubble" I still notice Republicans tend to be bungling fools.

GOP not out???? Are you kidding? How bad of a butt whooping does this stale, exclusionist, neanderthal party have to receive before they realize that the entire thinking population of this country told them less than two months ago to GTFO?

Happy Republicans. That's the ticket! They didn't look crazy enough, last election! Let's have them walking around with big smiles, laughing for no apparent reason! That'll show em!

Wouldn't it be More Productive if Our Elected Leaders Started Working Together as AMERICANS for AMERICANS and AMERICA, instead of just bickering, stalling and posturing for the next election as democrats and republicans! The American People have had it with this unproductive BS! The way that both parties having been operating for years just stinks! Neither party has really been looking out for the best interests of the US Citizens who elect them and who they're supposed to represent.

Both parties have sold out the bulk of the American citizens, who they're supposed to represent, by allowing the "out-sourcing" floodgates to open wider and wider without taking any sensible measures to stem the tide.

It shouldn't be all about Democrats or Republicans! It should be about Americans, especially our elected officials, doing the right thing for our country and its citizens. All the single-minded, left versus right, ideological one dimensional bull has got to go!

Both parties need to start working together and actually start doing something to fix the real problems in our country like "out-sourcing", illegal immigration, the out of control costs of health care insurance and our reliance on foreign fuel. If they don't start working together and actually start making progress by the next election, then American citizens should run a nation-wide campaign to vote out all incumbents regardless of party to send the message.

Wouldn't it be better if both parties worked together as AMERICANS to draft bills that could be put up for a vote together, rather than each party trying to draft their own bills an just trying to pass them as Republicans or Democrats.

Bills drafted and proposed by members of both parties as AMERICANS, rather than as a Democrat's bill or Republican's bill, would be much more likely to pass and be much more likely to actually do some good. Or does that make too much sense?

Do not let these leftist sh#ts ruin our great country.

....because that's the GOP's job.

Crying Speaker Tan Man said yesterday that President Obama was trying to "annihilate" the GOP. I thought --- No Mr. Speaker -- the GOP is doing an excellent job of that all by themselves without any help from the White Hours. The president is simply following the first rule of politics ---- when your opponents are making fools out of themselves, leave them alone.

ProtectAmericanJobs "Bills drafted and proposed by members of both parties as AMERICANS, rather than as a Democrat's bill or Republican's bill, would be much more likely to pass and be much more likely to actually do some good. Or does that make too much sense?"

Yes, but the leaders in both the Senate and House expect complete loyalty, and anyone that 'strays' is punished with low profile assignments and substandard offices and staff. Until the 'rank and file' decide to become truly 'independent', that will never happen.

They all claim that they 'make up their own minds based on the facts', but then they all turn around and vote 'Party Line'.

A example of how totally STUPID the current Republican Party is --- Michael Steel was elected as Party Chairman after the 2008 election. As most people know, the GOP got whooped in that election. So Michael Steel rebuilt the GOP and in the 2010 off year election more Republicans were elected nationwide than in any other election in history. So how did the GOP reward him for this fantastic result --- they FIRED him. He was replaced by Reince Priebus. Under him Republicans LOST the presidential election, LOST seats in the house and LOST seats in the Senate. So how did Republicans reward him for his poor performance --- they gave him another term. Can you say MORONS???

I found it, I found why the GOP looks like the most uncaring party, the most spitefull, hate filled, "cya" at all times GOP has lost their way, and how to get it back....

Without bribery American-style, through political donations, many of the laws
and regulations that helped Enron grow from a small natural gas pipeline company
to an American behemoth might never have been passed. In 1992, Congress passed
and the president signed the Energy Policy Act. That legislation opened electric
utility companies' wires to electricity traders such as Enron.

Campaign finance reform, stalled by the Republican House of Representatives
and the Republican president, now has a chance of passage in the wake of the
Enron fiasco. This reform will go a small way, though not nearly far enough, to
get big money out of politics and to return the American government to the hands
of the people.

In the interim, what America is undergoing is the largest political scandal
in its history, a scandal which holds a mirror up to American society. In that
mirror, the nation sees corporations gone berserk, dishonest fiscal procedures,
and a government tainted by money and special interests.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0216-01.htm

you guys appear as if you are on the same path as you always have been....but the question is, are you so loyal to the pocket that you will "go down with the ship"?. See you all GOP have made it so clear who pulls your strings, and that is why the American public despises you....

now, its gonna take you'all reaching into businesses other than the same ol same ol energy, oil, etc...and that does not mean become a lobbyist for every business that purchases your vote..that means, when one company runs to you to pass some measure so that they can corner the market....you go to the drawing board and pass a measure that halts any attempt from either side, to corner the market...Now the dems will grab up the news stories that will pour out since they are with the media in leverage, but that's where you stand tall, be honest, and do it for everyone, not just "your people". Eventually it will lead to enough good that it will be hard to ignore. You all have help manipulate the growth of business so much that we don't trust you, and its not just you (right), we know its the left too, they are simply more tactful at it....but that's not what we want from you, we want more than mint flowing from fancy words, we want to see it working!, already in action. You can do it...but don't fall back to running to a camera as soon as you find a cleaver way to rebuttal, do it in actions, good actions, not spiteful ones..

Roy--

John B, Des Moines, IA "You don't know the half of it BigRed. He's tried to make the case before that Carter causes the recession of 1979/80 and rejected the concept that it was created by the Fed to break staflation."

I never 'rejected the concept that it was created by the Fed to break staflation.' In fact, I agree completely with that concept. It had to be done to bring Inflation under control, which got to over 14% per year under Carter, causing consumer Interest Rates to get to over 18% per year.

This sky-high inflation and interest rates was the result of Carter using the same policies as Obama is using now, except that Obamaa's policies are far more extreme, and the impending 'crash' will also be far more severe.

Here's Roy talking out both sides of his mouth at he same time and through his hat as well. Let's break it down, shall we?

I never 'rejected the concept that it was created by the Fed to break staflation.' In fact, I agree completely with that concept.

Long time readers of fiction will recall that Roy argued vociferously through most of last year that the "Carter recession was worse than the Obama recession" and Reagan cured it. Now he's agreeing that it was short term credit tightening by the Fed, that caused the recession at that time, meaning that Carter didn't cause it and Reagan didn't cure it.

This sky-high inflation and interest rates was the result of Carter using the same policies as Obama is using now, except that Obamaa's policies are far more extreme, and the impending 'crash' will also be far more severe.

Now he's disagreeing WITH HIMSELF, saying in one paragraph that the Fed created high interest rates by tightening credit and in the next that President Carter created those same high interest rates through his "policies."

Next, the historical revision part; Stagflation was already a recognized issue when Gerald Ford became president. You don't think so? Google "Whip Inflation Now" buttons. Of course Ford was a Republican, therefore it's necessary for roy to overlook that part.

For bonus points Roy's editorial that he cites for proof that rampant inflation is imminent was written by a paid schill for the conservative American Enterprise Insitute. http://www.aei.org/scholar/allan-h-meltzer/

John B, Des Moines, IA

Your post was pretty much vague and incomprehensible - perhaps you need to work on being more coherent.

Let's keep it simple for you - Inflation is normally caused by an increase in the money supply that exceeds real economic growth. That's straight from Milton Friedman - the premier Nobel Prize economist of the last 50 years.

It normally takes about a few years to work its way into increased prices, although it can take longer during an extended recessionary period because the 'velocity' (turnover rate) of money declines.

Under Jimmy Carter, the money supply increased by about 30%, and the resulting inflation led to the value of $1.00 declining to 69 cents - an inflationary drop in value of 31%.

Under Obama, the money supply has increased from about $1.4 Trillion in 2009 to almost $2.5 Trillion in 2012, an increase of almost 80%.

It doesn't take a genius to see what's coming in the near future, and most people know they are paying far higher prices for food and fuel than they did several years ago - for example, the price of gasoline has increased from $1.84 per gallon when Obama took office to about $3.30 per gallon now, and most food prices are much higher as well. Interestingly, the federal government 'excludes' food and fuel from their 'core inflation index', conveniently hiding inflation to date.

Inflation in Ford's last year in office (1976) had gotten down to 5.80%, but it increased in Carter's last year (1980) to 13.50%.

Ignore the evidence if you wish, but don't say you were not warned. The government gets a short term benefit from a big increase in the money supply, but the consumers pay in the long run when inflation hits and the interest rates and unemployment rates spike.

If there was a hidden camera as with Romney's 47% disparagement, the meeting would have gone something like this:

We have to stop being the Stupid Party.

First on our 2013 agenda -- Trap laws and domestic terrorism per our pro-birth fanaticism, "eating the corn seed" cuts in spending to appease our plutocrat masters, the war on women (a favorite) and bashing unions and workers in general, anti-science and education, protecting fossil fuel by denying climate change, and propping up the military industrial complex by promoting perpetual war...

Crap, does anyone have anymore lipstick for this pig? We're already out!

Roy, the evidence is that consumption remains low, oil prices have been falling (even though you try to hide it with deceptive use of statistics and cherry picking the numbers) and US Treasury bonds remain the standard of the world in terms of safe havens within the currency markets.

Glenn Beck has been warning of imminent hyperinflation for at least 5 years. At what point does this nonsense get called for the fear mongering it is?

The Republicans lost the election by a very small amount of votes so what is the big deal someone has to loose stand your ground that is what real American conservitives want not change to the dark side or socialism.

RIGHT!! Everyone knows that the teams that didn't make the NFL Playoffs this year will "stand their ground"...not make any changes and expect a Super Bowl victory next year?!?! Or, if you don't like the sports analogy...

...everyone knows that a business who is LOSING market share will "stand their ground" and make no changes.......and expect success next quarter?!?

Give me a break.

Plus.....a "small amount of votes" is 5 million popular votes and 126 electoral college votes? Hardly what I'd call a squeaker.

Trend lines show different Martin, these guys are losing ground fast. Less and less everyday are buying their "act of puppetry" supporting the rich and big biz these days.

The Republicans lost the election by a very small amount of votes so what is the big deal someone has to loose stand your ground that is what real American conservitives want not change to the dark side or socialism.

If Obama and Biden had demanded their new gun laws before the election the NRA would have cranked up their phone tree and put Romney in office you know. 4 million may not sound like a lot but it's enough to swing a tight election.

DoctorLogic.. you sir, are a blind fool .. neither the democrats nor the repulicans care about you or this country ... it's all about money .. if you think either party can do anything to make this country better, then you need to remove your blinders and stop drinking the koolaid.

The republicans make their money by being smart and investing and working the system to their advantage .. the democrats make their money by conning people to share their money for the greater good and give it all to them in the form of what they call taxes ( share the wealth does not work because eventually the givers run out of money and the takers just want more - this is what you get with obama and the other libtards)

J. Clarke-Yea, and if pigs could fly....................

The Republicans lost the election by a very small amount of votes so what is the big deal

The biggest favor you can do for Democrats is keep thinking that way. The ONLY demographic the Republicans carried in the past election is OLD white men and Old white women. And their numbers were down even among that demographic. President Obama won by more than 4 million votes. While Republicans still hold the House, they lost seats. In all the votes for House races across the nation, Democrats got 1.5 million more votes than Republicans. Republicans lost seats in the Senate. Bottom line -- Republicans got their asses kicked. Deny it all you want and do the Democrats a huge favor.

Hey there sunshine....what about this:

Last time GOP held the Presidency for 8 years....6 of those were with 100% complete GOP control....started with roughly $300 billion surpluses and left with a $1.2 trillion deficit....left office losing 800,000 jobs per month....left office with GDP shrinking at over 9% per quarter.

Now with Democrats with the Presidency for 4 years....2 of those were with 100% complete Democratic control....started with a $1.2 trillion deficit and is now projected to have a $900 billion deficit in 2013.....has 33 straight months of job growth (6 million in that time)....GDP now growing at 3.1%.

Yep....that GOP "swooping in" really, really paid off in the GWBush years! (sigh)

really. you see gdp growth of 3+% you take a picture of it. this recovery has just been declared the worst recovery ever. you missed the move from $10.6 trillion to $16.4 in our national debt over the last 4 years. here's another news flash in a study referenced in a msn money piece yesterday w/o changes by 2025 100% of tax revenue will be needed for interest on the debt, ssn, medicare, and medicade. we are progressively going from broke to bankrupt and you are giving us democrat talking points/propaganda.

tom...

Blah, blah, blah. The same ****, different day. You see, we rational people understand several things....first, Obama was handed a $1.2 trillion deficit, so even if Obama spent at exactly the same level as Bush, he'd be well over $6 trillion for the same time (including interest); therefore, let us get over this stupid notion that the debt spending is "Obama's" because it just simply isn't true.

Oh yeah, but the way, he also had to deal with a tanking economy in ADDITION to the $1.2 trillion deficit.

Second, actually...it isn't I who sees 3.1% growth....it is the US Dept of Commerce.

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm

Is there anything elese you'd like to be wrong about today?

The dems will sink themselves soon enough, they always have. They take take take until people get sick of their intrusions.

Why are all the gun grabbers zionist jews?

The dems will sink themselves soon enough, they always have. They take take take until people get sick of their intrusions.

Right, "people" get sick of their intrusions......like .........ummmmm, well there was once..........uhhh, they once did..........nothing. Tell me one time when Dems "intruded"?

Plus, you want to talk "intrusion".....how about all these GOP legislations across the country that intruded to restrict people's constitutional right to vote?? That isn't an abstract "intrusion" as you nitwits try to tie to Dems....that is an outright attack on our democracy.

"Why are all the gun grabbers zionist jews?"

If I called you a bigot would that be pulling the 'race card' ?

notice you didn't speak to the facts but blamed $1 trillion of obama's $6 trillion in added debt on bush. we are progressively going from broke to bankrupt and you are still blaming bush. worst recovery ever and headed for dead broke. the progressives might want to look at the deficit and debt in a factual way w/o the spin/politics/propaganda.

Don't be lemmings,

There is a great evil in the world and is slowly infiltrating
our government. It is called zionism. They think that we (goyem) were put on
this earth to serve them. They use our sons and daughters to fight wars with
islam because in their mind they are better than US. This NWO cancer must be
removed from our halls of congress. Geitner, Levin, Lieberman, Bernanke, Feinstein, Boxer, Bloomberg, Schumer, Big sis, and
Raum Emanual. They want to take over America because their banking fraud
is crumbling. The only way they can do that is to take our arms away. The
zionists want to do away with the bill of rights and the constitution to make
slaves of all of US. They are going to collapse our economy and wait for the
sheeple to cry out for help. The help they will give you is a room at a Fema
camp. You think I'm crazy, research it. Read the Talmud. Killing US is not a
sin in their minds. Personally, I have many questions about the Newton
shootings. Who were the 2nd and 3rd people they arrested. The one proned out in
the woods. Eyewitnesses in both events
say there were multiple shooters. The
story keeps changing and getting more bizarre every day. The fathers of both
the Aurora and Newton shooters were supposed to testify before congress about
the Libor scandal. Coincidence, I think not. Start arresting some domestic
enemies and things will change for the better. Are there any patriots left in
DC? Why are all the gun grabbers jewish?

Obama won every state where no voter ID id required, Obama won some districts with 120% of the vote, WOW amazing

Romney won every state where ID is required, Hmmmmm

Hopefully Democrats will take control in 2014 so by 2016 the country will be such a mess Republicans can swoop in and fix their mess and we will be back on track by 2020. Hang on till then. It will be a bumpy ride.

That's not really anything to hope for. Republicans are not going to fix the Democrats' mess, they are just going to pile their own mess on top of it, then when they get voted out, the Democrats are going to just add more mess to the pile and it's just going to keep getting deeper and stinkier until it finally spontaneously combusts.

Worn Out is the GOP Poster Child!

Wornout-lotsa numbers said

The dems will sink themselves soon enough, they always have. They take take take until people get sick of their intrusions.

I'm sorry but isn't the Republican party that wanted to require a mandatory vaginal ultrasound before a doctor could perform an abortion? THAT would be an intrusion!

"Obama won some districts with 120% of the vote,"

• Tell us worn out --- you can back that up with what facts????? And -- in Colorado where I live, you have to show an ID to vote and President Obama won Colorado. So either you are flat out lying or you don't know what you're talking about.

I am a poster child for free Americans who are sick of dems and repugs who are robbing US blind, fraudulent elections, telling me what size soda to drink, traitors against the constitution, banks borrowing us fake money and we pay them back with real money. If some of you would open your eyes and shut of NBC, CNN, MSNBS and get some real news, you wouldn't be so blinded by Oblahblahs BS.

Chuckles: I do know what I'm talking about, it doesn't take much research to find out the truth.

The constitution is as relevent today as the day it was written.

"Chuckles: I do know what I'm talking about, it doesn't take much research to find out the truth."

• Worn Out --- you made the Claim that "Obama won some districts with 120% of the vote." Since you say it doesn't take much research to find out what you call the truth ----- BACK IT UP. Show us where you got that "fact." My guess is you’re a typical teatard. Limbaugh the Junkie or Pipsqueak Hannity or some other right wing propagandist tells you something and you swallow it hook, line and sinker.