@iowa,

That's just sick.

@If,

How can a law get passed that was blocked at the last minute?

@sky,

Selamat malam!

Fisty -

after the slaughter at Newton!

Ummmmm I think you were thinking of your snack. It's not Newton as in Fig, it's Newtown.

Devie, you hurt my feelings. :(

Sucks to be a victim of a violent crime if the criminal has more than 10rounds and you have less.

Nothing like trying to defend your family and loved ones, from more than 1 person.

This is from Huff post, 15 Jan 2013...and I believe there was a clip of the Gov signing .

New York's law passed the state Senate, which is run by a Republican-dominated coalition, 43-18 Monday night. The Democrat-controlled Assembly approved it 104-43 Tuesday afternoon.

None of this anti-gun nonsense will go anywhere because unlike Obama and Biden, these congress people have to go back home to face their constituents. However, Obama's propaganda ministry (the media) will continue to beat the anti-gun drum because even if it's beating a dead horse, it serves the purpose of deflecting attention from his failed foreign policy, the economy and the crushing debt.

The following is so ridiculously funny, I gotta comment on this:

He said that limiting magazines could have saved lives in Tucson, where former Rep. Gabby
Giffords was shot and a 9-year-old girl was killed, and in Newtown, where shooter Adam Lanza might have had to stop 10 or more times to reload his gun.

Yeah, Lanza would have needed 20 more seconds.  Hiow stupid are these people or is it that they think we are that stupid?

Taking away ones right to self preservation, demeaning the value of human life, and the lives of ones family. Way to go losers.

The 1st Amendment protects the 2nd Amendment with words. The 2nd Amendment protects the 1st Amendment with bullets. Somehow I don't want one of them whispering in my ear.

Oh Gawd, the wrong side is going to run with what I just wrote.

Of course that is NOT what he is saying but distorting the comments of another poster seems to be ALL you are capable of accomplishing. He is merely pointing out the inconsistency of Demmie "values" !

I know, it's hard for you to understand ... probably went ZZZOOOOOOOOMMMM right over your head !

First off- I am in no way a RWNJ, but gun legislation is not the way to go. Everyone keeps focusing on saying we have a gun problem, but the people that are committing these crimes are mentally disturbed, or hardcore criminals. More gun laws are not solving anything, until the real problem of LACK OF MENTAL HEALTH CARE is adressed.

p.s.

I am glad I live in Wyoming. Good luck coming in and trying to do ANYTHING with our guns. And no I don't own an Assault Weapon, but there are far more important issues to tackle than useless gun control laws.

Seems Wayne LaPierre is a bit of a hypocrite. Here is what Wayne la Pierre had to say in House subcommittee hearing on crime after the Colombine shooting:

One Hundred Sixth Congress First Session May 27, 1999 Serial No. 84

"We think it is reasonable to provide mandatory, instant criminal background
checks for every sale at every gun show. No loopholes anywhere for anyone. That
means closing the Hinckley loophole so the records of those adjudicated mentally
ill are in the system."

"We think it is reasonable to support the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act.
What is unreasonable is 6,000 students caught with illegal guns at school the
last 2 years and only 13 prosecutions."

"We think it is reasonable to prosecute more than just two dozen thugs last
year for putting illegal guns in criminals' hands."

So, what has changed?

Nothing...nothing at all.

Here is the link:

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju63126.000/hju63126_0.htm

His testimony can be found starting on page 117.

Ikarus no one forces you to own or carry a gun. We know you dont want compensate for anything. So if you dont want to carry a gun dont and if a purse is more suitable for you then go for it.

I don't have a problem with background checks other than the information is stored, not destroyed.

I do have a problem with Washington telling us what kind of guns we can own, when there are FAR more pressing matters than this.

Semi autos bad for American civilians, Rocket launchers and full autos good for Mexican Cartels.

Mental illness checks for every member of government and all 13,000,000 illegal aliens!

Parker, I have settled for a semi-automatic quill. Far more sporting.

The right to place in mental institutions any foreigner who illegally enters the United States twice in their lifetime.

spitfire18213

I don't have a problem with background checks other than the information is stored, not destroyed.

right now all background checks are destroyed within 24 hrs - thanks to the hard work of the NRA and their Republican paid-for Congressmen

and background checks are done only 60% of the time...I guess asking a doctor to do 60% of blood test should be sufficient, too.

I do have a problem with Washington telling us what kind of guns we can own, when there are FAR more pressing matters than this.

show me which Founding Fathers walked around with AR-15 or grenades or missile launchers. Most people agree - and many of them are NRA members - that there is no reason for an individual to have access to many weapons.

Not a VERY PRESSING MATTER??? how many more parent have to bury their kids with 11 bullets in their little bodies? How many more college or HS kids have to be shot like an animal?

Obama Biden & Hillary Are Scum

whack-A-rereg

"Ass meet Hole. Long live the Second Amendment!"

I'm sure it will, bunghole breath. For, as near as I can tell, there is absolutely no pending legislation or plans to repeal it. You been hearing something different?

But really- if the gubmint has medium and high yeild nuclear weapons, why shouldn't you and Nugent? Oh, and if you don't think you (or Teddy) should, I have to ask: Why do you hate the 2nd ammendment??

The solution is right in front of us........... VOTER REGISTRATION CARDS

You cannot have a voter card if you have a felony or a mental problem......

We just need to use VOTER CARDS for firearm purchases.....

Problem SOLVED Joe

"Obama's propaganda ministry (the media)..."

HEY- low blow! Leave Fox News out of this!!

I don't see why any logical person would not accept a ban on magazines that carry more than about 7-8 rounds.

I do not like Sen. Feinsteins approach nor that of any other person who wants to place a ban on any gun/rifle. While I have no idea what purpose such weapons would have other than for murder or possible armed forces combat, I don't want any restrictions that could and probably would lead to more and more restrictions on guns until such time as citizens are not allowed to own them.

I didn't see you in here protesting when innocent kids in Afghanistan were dying in drone strikes, but now when it hits a little close to home, you are all up in arms.

More pressing matters-

Unnecessary Government spending

National Debt

Tax Codes

Entitlement Benefits

Longevity of Social Security

Health & Mental Health Care

Legalization and Taxation of Marijuana

Pretty sure all of the above is more important about what kind of gun someone owns- and BTW, the background checks I had to pass to but my last 2 guns aren't destroyed- Those guns are linked to me through that system. If you had any clue about how it actually worked you would know that.

Parker, I have settled for a semi-automatic quill. Far more sporting.

Sure, as long as it matches that Louis Vuitton purse ;)

I ask every idiot who brings up "lefties are baby killers" crap how many sexually and/or physically children have you fostered? No one wants to answer - I wonder why that is.

Could it be, bayllie... their answer would be....NONE!

But I shouldn't speak for them.....they have no answer.

Simple logic.... we know it doesn't matter, so when it fails, the problem will be the guns that hold 4-8 rounds..... then the ones that hold two & finally none.........

Been tried before & it ALWAYS ENDS the same.....

Power CORRUPTS & absolute power corrupts ABSOLUTELY

I have 3 kids, and I support many more by the taxes I pay. If you are going to require people to have a license to drive, vote or have a gun you might as well throw childbirth and rearing in that group as well. I'm sorry but I have three of my own to raise, Im not raising someone else's too.

I've got an idea...why don't we actually start enforcing the laws that are already on the books and actually work on legislation or whatever it takes to get the crazies off the street?

"If the slaughter of 20 babies does not capture and hold your attention, then I give up. Because I don't know what else will," said Charles Ramsey, the Philadelphia police commissioner and head of the Major Cities Chiefs Association. "We have to pass legislation."

3,300 abortions in the last 24 hours why can't we address this issue and save millions a year instead of 20 ?

Steve,

Wrong! Our nut case of a Governor, Wacko Walker , proposed that, but then took down the signs telling people how to get them. Also, said that college students had to have their exact address to be allowed to vote. Most college ID's have nothing of the sort. So it was estimated that he would be able to surpress 160,000 voters. Mostly those who would not vote republican. Isn't the fascist state that republican are working for wonderful! Luckily an Appeals Court said it was Unconstitutional ad the Wisconsin Supreme Court refused to hear it!

Are there any gang members on this vine? Haha--I mean besides Feisty and her posse.... At any rate, I'd like to get their input on the whole gun ban issue. You know...what their feelings are on background checks and limits on the number of rounds in a clip and some of the other proposals that are being bandied about by Washington.

I think it would be interesting to get their point of view on how any of this will affect them.

Marge when you never leave your home you usually are safe.

Sometimes you have to wake up and look around and get educated but LIBS are so close minded this never happens.

clwyd-2621393

Scrap the 2nd Amendment and stop this slaughter in Temples, malls, schools, on the streets, in backyards and living rooms.

sure. Still a lifelong member of the Hilter Youth eh CLYDE. bet your favorite number is 88 too.

@ Marge: I would be interested in getting your point of view on how this will affect you?

@Randy: Dick.

What you people fail to understand is Biden's proposals only mean something to law abiding citizens. A criminal could care less if these proposals make it into law. HENCE THE WORD CRIMINAL! Lawfully purchased firearms (most but not all) the owner probably already had some form of background check due to the purchase of a handgun.

If anyone can show me any of the facts showing a legally purchased assault style weapon used by the owner in any mass shooting in the last 10 years I would certainly like to know. If there are no circumstances where this has happened, (I am guessing not) then Bidens proposals mean nothing but to punish those who followed existing laws. If those circumstances do exist then I would be open for the debate of those proposals.

The fog that surrounds the uninformed politicians trying to score political points is astounding. Many of which wouldn't know the Butt end from the fore grip, or a bolt action from a pump action or lever action. Point is we are trusting uninformed politicians to make thoughtful laws with absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

^ CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP

Well said

Alaska

You're conveniently avoiding the question, but I own 2 handguns, from a real legit gunstore and filled out real legit papers and went through a real legit background check and I have yet to do anything but shoot at real legit paper targets purchased from a real legit store with real legit ammo purchased from another real legit store. I did not have to do a background check to get the paper targets.

bayllie -

show me which Founding Fathers walked around with AR-15 or grenades or missile launchers.

the last i checked they didn't have my pump shotgun either do you want it as an asault weapon, since your argument is what they didn't have then we should only be allowed the old smooth bore muskets they had right? i missed the part in the 2nd that states that they may not posses anything other than the smooth bore muskets of our day. they may own these guns and no others. last i checked you can't bye a grenage or missle launcher and no one is asking to do so. you are one that assumes that ar15 is the same thing the men in the middle east are carrying around which is false. true assault rifles are not legal for the average citizen to own without several permits and some other checks. you got another arguement or you going to go and check someone elses post to find the next one?

Chilled, you seem to have a fixation on abused children as a matter of fact you mention them so often it looks like you could be a pedophile, so since you were convicted of a felony you cannot legally own a firearm and the thought of you getting shot by a parent frightens you to no end. That also means you have to stay away from schools and play grounds so watch your back perv boy, the police are watching!

Act fast.........Seize the moement

"Never let a crisis go to waste", hey Piggy?

Feinstein is a "Gun Nut" she has a pistol on her all the time.

"The Biden-Feinstein Columbine Massacre" did in fact happen during the Biden-Feinstein Gun Ban.

All of these shootings have one thing in common.

One Bad Guy With A Gun, Can Do A Lot Of Damage When Everyone Else Is Defensless.

So the gun banners want more victims, and you cannot deny it. That Is Why They fight Against An Armed Security Guard In Schools.

After Obama* and Holder made over 12,000 So-Called Assault Weapons Available To Foreign Insurgent Drug Cartels, and Gangs, They want to hide from the truth that They Are Responsible For The Murder of A U.S. Border Patrol Agent and Thousands of Innocent Victims In Mexico,And America.

To Protect Holder, Who Is Still In Criminal Contempt Of Congress, From Being Held Accountable For His Actions, Is a Hipocracy. This Will NOT Go AWAY.

The Criminal Negligence Of Hillary "Mrs. Impeached" Clinton, Cost the Lives Of A U.S. Ambassador And Other Public Employees, After they Did Request Protection And Protection DID NOT COME.

They treat U.S. Ambassadors Like This, And they Will Not Protect The Border From Being Over Run By Drug Criminals And Human Trafficers.

The Paid Posters On Here are Obvious. You would support Hitler if he was a Democrat, Feisty RedHead from Illinois.

High capacity magazines are illegal in DC but a news show had one on TV after they were told not to do it by the DC police Department. Prosecute him first.

Feisty Feisty Feisty. You give gingers a bad name. I feel pretty confident that this is one issue that Joe and Barry will have to concede defeat. Joe is already backing up.

SO how' the job market and the debt ceiling and SUPERSTORM SANDY victims doing?

Feinstein is so damn pathetic it disgusts me to even look at this traitor. All the gun grabbing @!$%#s in congress.

@!$%# YOU TRAITORS

You NimRods had better start looking at the Facts at SandyHook. 1. An Assult Weapon was NEVER used when he killed these Kids and Teachers, He used 4 Handguns. Obama is using this to stir up things and Take our Weapons, it is as simple as that. You believe anything else then you got your head in the sand or up your ass because that is the truth.

Dont forget also Obama is now polling Sr Military to see if they will follow an order to shoot American Civilians in the event he can Confiscate weapons. If they Say No there Retired..

Steve-446003

Power CORRUPTS & absolute power corrupts Absolutely ...

And thus was God transformed into Satan.

Fools and their $$$ are soon parted... lol

you donated to Obama right slug? see the irony of that statement now? nah, im on ignore LOL

59 comments and NOT one gun nut has acknowledged public opinion is NO longer on their side...

Interesting it seems there is still quite the opposition to the idiotic idea of gun control...majority of the public wants a balanced budget and sanity in Congress. Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it

An Assult Weapon was NEVER used when he killed these Kids and Teachers, He used 4 Handguns

TRUTHER ALERT! lol

You give gingers a bad name.

Go sit down Margie, the adults are talking here!

You feverishly waving your hand looking for some attention is not attractive... I do appreciate your envy of me though! lol

Sorry darling, the membership for the Feisty Fan Club has an 18 month waiting list, get in line old gal!

@!$%# YOU TRAITORS

Nothing more entertaining then impotent rage! lmao@you little al!

bayllie You do realize that most of the children you are speaking of being born in Texas are from female illegal aliens crossing the border to give birth.. This gives the instantly the right to stay in this country forever.. It also gives them food stamps, WIC, welfare and a host of other things including free health care.. All paid by the working people of this country through borrowed money by the Federal Government.. And who is not allowing the prevention of this mess, you guessed it the Liberals..

These Liberals that are so eager to give up their Constitutional rights as citizens make me sick as I do not want my rights deminished.. Most have no clue what it even in the document and what the builders and signers of it were afraid would happen if the amendments were diminished or discarded by unthinking liberals.. Read their letters and you will see that what is happening now is what they feared.. The Federal government has grown so large and powerful that citizens will soon be subjects.. It has happened 100's of times in the past and billions of people have paid with their lives for thinking it won't happen to me..

What gets me is these surveys that say most Americans want total gun control by the government.. I call BS as I have seen the opposite in surveys with hundreds of thousands of voters who are just appalled at the attempt to strip our rights.. Calling everyone that owns a gun a bad name.. Well Dianne Feinstein has a gun, but she thinks that she is better than all the little people..

Iamnotyou

Feinstein is a "Gun Nut" she has a pistol on her all the time.

"The Biden-Feinstein Columbine Massacre" did in fact happen during the Biden-Feinstein Gun Ban.

All of these shootings have one thing in common.

One Bad Guy With A Gun, Can Do A Lot Of Damage When Everyone Else Is Defensless.

So the gun banners want more victims, and you cannot deny it. That Is Why They fight Against An Armed Security Guard In Schools.

After Obama* and Holder made over 12,000 So-Called Assault Weapons Available To Foreign Insurgent Drug Cartels, and Gangs, They want to hide from the truth that They Are Responsible For The Murder of A U.S. Border Patrol Agent and Thousands of Innocent Victims In Mexico,And America.

To Protect Holder, Who Is Still In Criminal Contempt Of Congress, From Being Held Accountable For His Actions, Is a Hipocracy. This Will NOT Go AWAY.

The Criminal Negligence Of Hillary "Mrs. Impeached" Clinton, Cost the Lives Of A U.S. Ambassador And Other Public Employees, After they Did Request Protection And Protection DID NOT COME.

They treat U.S. Ambassadors Like This, And they Will Not Protect The Border From Being Over Run By Drug Criminals And Human Trafficers.

The Paid Posters On Here are Obvious. You would support Hitler if he was a Democrat, Feisty RedHead from Illinois.

High capacity magazines are illegal in DC but a news show had one on TV after they were told not to do it by the DC police Department. Prosecute him first.

You feverishly waving your hand looking for some attention is not attractive...

says the idiot that always posts first...

And thus was God transformed into Satan.

I thought Satan was a fallen angel. Good thing I rely on the Christian Knowledge of liberals to set me straight

Feisty that came from NBC and Matt Lauer, better take another look they found the AR 15 in his car unused

Lunkystraydog

Taking away ones right to self preservation, demeaning the value of human life, and the lives of ones family. Way to go losers.

Are you some sort of fraidy cat? Do you live in a bad neighborhood? If so you need to move and not be such a trembling hunk of flesh afraid of the boogy man who is going to come into your home and do all sorts of bad things to you. A shot gun can inflict a heck of a lot of damage at close rannge. I don't recall anyone who was a victim of a home invasion from a distance.

The trouble with some on the extreme right and the gun nuts is that they are scared of their own shadows and want everyone else to be likewise. I refuse to be frightened and I refuse to cower. I trust our law enforcement, national guard, state and county law enforcement as well as our military to keep me and my property safe. If someone wants to break in I'd rather they take something and give them no reason to kill me or mine. I also have a big dog. She has lots of sharp teeth and she doesn't like intruders. We have a sign on our fence that says the dog in this yard can make it from any point in the yard to another in seconds can you? I saw a druggie the cops were after come over my fence. When the dog cornered him showing her teeth the job of the cops was made much easier. They had their canine unit but didn't need it because my animal took care of the problem. Oh, and he was armed too.

Pigotry.....Yeah, there is consensus on these 2 right now. But if the Democrats slow down, then the momentum will expire..... nothing will achieved. Act fast.........Seize the moement."

Yep, act now while no one is looking. Gotta keep that moement going.

Heck, even the Vice President just stated that "gun control" is no big deal....even though it is probably in violation of the Constitution.

Guess Mr. Biden is laying the ground work for his run in 2016 since SofS Clinton has been thrown under the bus.

Further, if the PROGRESSIVES can't muster votes for their "gun ban(s)", then Ambassador Rice could just vote YEA at the United Nations when the "United Nations Small Arms Treaty" comes up for a vote.

Maybe Mr. Obama could slip in another Executive Order since he "can't get anything done from the Oval Office" (his words) or maybe take another whirlwind tour of the 60 States he visited during the 2008 campaign to garnish Public Opinion.

Those pesky "low IQers"......typical Progressive.

Dont forget also Obama is now polling Sr Military to see if they will follow an order to shoot American Civilians in the event he can Confiscate weapons. If they Say No there Retired..

Interesting. Reference, please.

Nothing more entertaining then impotent rage! lmao@you little al!

It's not rage Feisty it's pure disgust with the liberals, commies and socialist parasites who think that curtailing my freedoms given to me by my founding fathers is going to fly

We will never give in Feisty you do understand that 8)

With scumbags like Feinstinker and that twit Boxer and that commie pinko bastard @!$%#omo from New York they are traitors and should be treated as such.

Judging from the majority of recent polling

Once again fisting deadhead demonstrates she is a drone of the highest order. Gallup recently took a poll asking what was most important to Americans. 4% said gun control. By far and away the economy was at the top.

This is going nowhere and wasting time dealing with the true problems America faces. Secure imbeciles like Feinstein and Schumer are pushing this tyrannical move because they represent people as idiotic as they. Dirty Harry is leery of bringing it to the floor because he knows the votes are not there due to the fear of constituency backlash for some members his caucus members. That, and the House will never pass it.

Let's drop this nonsense, stop standing on the graves of children in an attempt to pass legislation which tramples on our inalienable rights, and do some serious work on the deficit and the debt.

For all the stupid little righties: From NBC Connecticut - yesterday!

State police seized four guns when they responded to the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown in December, according to state police.

Police released a news release on Tuesday, saying they provided details in news conferences but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation.

Police said they found a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips, a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school.

Police identified Adam Lanza as the gunman who shot and killed 20 first graders and six staff members.

Police also searched Lanza's car, which was
in parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun.

Police continue to investigate the shooting.

Autopsies show all 26 were killed with the Bushmaster. Lanza shot hiself with the handgun.

NRA Members must be bad shooters to need more than ten round clips !!!

fiesty il,the name says it all, graduate from handout collage and libtard U...1st read the constitution,2nd try to comprehend it,now i know your an atheist and a malcontent anarchist libtard ,that believes uncle sugar owes you,but try to look outside the dumpster and see the big picture....Laws written by the few to benefit the few while suppressing the rights of the many ,were what our founding fathers were trying to overcome by drafting the constitution,and implementing it into law. all those nut jobs that committed mass murder were registered democrats living in states run by democrats...a matter of public record...what excuse do you have for that? seaskip 10 round mags are a pain at the range....try it before commenting

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Feisty hun, I would imagine I've been in this world MUCH longer than you have unless your ginger hair comes from a bottle to cover the spot where your gray matter used to be. Don't flatter yourself, no envy--only pity. Evidently this is how you spend your life and I'm really sad for you. If it makes you feel better to bash people, go ahead since it's what you do best. But evidently I got under your skin. Score one for little Margie. I think I shall retire to go play with adults now. You stay safe in your play pen, alrighty? Try to keep that empty red melon out from between the rails.

Feisty Redhead So with the rampant terrorism going on in the US at out of control levels would you suggest a suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights along with Martial law and a police state??

Sure we have some crime but terrorism?? 2 or 3 instances with a few failed attempts by outside groups and another 1 or 2 by domestic goofballs in 20 years, that is very low compared to someplace like England or France.. The violence over in the land of the peace loving Muslim where 3 to 5 times a week someone is bombing a market or school and the 20+ times a week that someone is machine gunning down a rival group of Christians or a family who ratted out a jihadist.. That is terrorism! You are just a little confused on what the difference is between it and crime I know.. If you look at the overall violent crime numbers you will see that gun rights revocation equals more crime not less but I guess you heard that 1000 times already.. Did you also notice that England, France and Australia now have growing Communist party groups in their governments??

When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson

Seeking:

What, no mention of the grassy knoll?

Starman-2398642:

Still waiting for a reference to your statement in post #1.68 "If they Say No there Retired"

Everyone including professional reporters:

Fifteen minutes in the penalty box for the rampant incorrect use of the word "clip" as it relates to firearms.

Holy chit...this again I thought we already coverd the math behind this B.S. talk about beating a dead horse. It only takes 1 to 2 seconds for someone to change a mag OR LESS. A "bad guy" planning to commit mass murder WILL PRACTICE mag changes and have plenty of spare mags on hand.

Me on the other hand in my f***ing underwear do not have many places to stash a couple of extra mags when things go bump in the night. I do not sit around and practice mag change drills either that is why I have 20 and 30 round mags SO I NEVER HAVE TO CHANGE, CARRY, OR GO LOOKING FOR ONE WHEN I NEED IT. 10 mag changes at 1 to 2 seconds is a whole 10 to 20 seconds when the school shooter had how many minutes with defenseless cornered children? Gee that will save so many lives...

You should be ashamed of yourselves for having that many children without some form of protection or security. How in the f*** can you be responsible for the "safety" of children when you cannot even protect yourself? I would like a logical answer to that question from any of the "paranoid" people that are scared by guns. If you as a mother cannot protect yourself from being raped by a man then how can you protect your children? That man can do whatever he wants to you and your children and there is nothing you can do about it without a "tool" to equalize his size and muscle advantage.

I do not have a shotgun that shots 8 to 9 54 grain .33 caliber bullets WITH EACH SHOT. Each pellet weighs the about the same as a .223/5.56mm bullet does and they are larger in caliber too. 7 rounds of 00 buckshot has 56 to 63 pellets total and only takes 7 trigger presses compared to say 30 yet you are crying about my 30 round mag... The governor of NY is a moron, just like many of you that are all crying about nothing.

A non-semi automatic shotgun produces INSANE amounts of recoil for the damage it does compared to a little .223. A 12 gauge shotgun produces anywhere from 17 to 63 foot pounds of force depending on the shell/load compared to the 3 or 4 foot pounds of force for a .223. A "high powered" rifle like a .308/7.62x51 mm (the round the .223 replaced) produces approx 17 foot pounds of force for example. Simple physics says that ONE 55 grain bullet is easier to accelerate versus eight or nine and a woman or child can fire a .223 with ease compared to a shotgun, but that would require math...

A shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot also has more penetration compared to a .223 after going through several walls according to FBI tests and still had enough energy to penetrate 12 inches of gelatin. Ballistics tipped hollowpoints and even some FMJ .223 rounds did not penetrate 12 inches into the block of gelatin after passing through several walls due to tumbling and fragmentation. Even many hollowpoint handgun rounds penetrated more then 12 inches into the block of gelatin because they plugged up with drywall, failed to expand, and acted like a FMJ round. Hard to make a round penetrate the minimum 12 inches of flesh and then expect it to be stopped by a piece of drywall.

Remind me to start up/create a company in another country that produces 30 round mags if any of this B.S. regulations get passed. I will make a fortune.

@ Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

I will agree on most of your post but I don't agree on your insensitivity sometimes. Calling Newtown a "slaughter" I feel is very insensitive to the parents and family members. It was a tragedy and needs to be spoken about with some respect for the families. They are human's not cattle.

As a life long Progressive and Obama supporter, this Bill stinks. Not "reasonable" by any stretch of the imagination. And that is after looking at the official summary as the text does not appear to be available. Lots of nasty wording in this and a lot of weapons listed that clearly are not "assault weapons".

Still has the crazy definitions where one, single, purely cosmetic feature will turn a gun into an "assault weapon".

Feinstein, bless her heart, is one of our looney far left wing nut jobs. Lots of bad things in this and all it does is stop the manufacture and importation of a lot of guns that have nothing specially lethal about them. It will also push a conservatively estimated 50-75 million currently legally owned guns into the "assault weapons" class. This is basically an updated version of the California ban. This Bill has little chance of getting a single Republican vote out of either House and will be lucky if it gets one or two blue dog Democrat votes.

If you want to write "reasonable" regulations, why would you have someone who has to be in the top 2 or 3 of the most left wing Liberals we have in the party? Sorry Diane, I know you mean well, but this isn't happening. For someone who has down a lot for Progressive causes, you are going too far left. At 80 years old, maybe it's time for you to retire. Maybe you can beat anti-gay Tea Bagger Republicans in California, but if you run again, don't be surprised to have a serious primary contender. And who knows, maybe Republicans will come to their senses and not put up far right candidates against you.

Marge, I did not deflect anything. I was merely wishing to get your perspective and you went all rogue on me. Gosh, it just doesn't take much to get one you people all twisted up does it?

Tired They want to ban shotguns and buckshot too but that is step #2.. Think how many 9mm clips it would take to equal 7 0buck 12 gauge magnum shells.. Why are these mass murderers wasting their time with hand guns and rifles?? The Soviets figured this out years ago and came up with a fully auto bull pup shotgun that is used for close quarters battle inside buildings.. Tube reloading devices can reload a pump shotgun in 3 to 5 seconds so that is firepower..

I wonder about the disinformation comming down the pipe.. Senator McCain was grilling Hillary about that same thing yesterday and we all got our answer by her non answers and deflections..

The state of New York's fine work on the unconstitutional gun laws makes them number 1 idiot.. The lawyers will be rolling in the money they make and those government workers will be working overtime.. Bet they got the Federal disaster money fast tracked for that turd..

It's not rage Feisty it's pure disgust with the liberals, commies and socialist parasites who think that curtailing my freedoms given to me by my founding fathers is going to fly

AHHH, never expected a testononally challenged RWN to take the challenge! lol

We will never give in Feisty you do understand that 8)

Oh... I understand it all right - what melon-heads like YOU refuse to believe is we are not sitting quietly on the sidelines... YOU want a civil war - BRING it litle big man! You and your ilk got your ass beat the first time around!

Capiche?

All you did was prove you're all barky and NO bitey!

Caesar,

Yavol mein Herr! Ich will for dich kommen!

@ Tired-2176559, post 1.90

I too do not understand the logic of reducing magazine size. I have seen people change out magazines and as a matter of fact it is practiced and put in to practice at competition shoots. 10 or 20, 10 round clips are easy to transport and make no difference to someone that plans on mass murder. In Ohio 30 years ago before we had huge clips as far as I know a man staged his house with guns at each exit and had every exit covered from where he stood so he could kill his entire 13 member family. It seems even multiple guns can be a problem. So how do we stop mentally ill people from killing or harming others? Unless you know that person is planning on doing something there is no way to stop him. We need to find other ways to protect ourselves or hope you're a faster draw and get luckier than he/she does. I'm not going to leave it up to someone else to protect my family. I am already securing my home and person from harmful individuals. It's too late to create a society that is safe from criminals so the best thing to do is arm yourself, and be prepared for them if it comes to that. Maybe we should produce weapons that will not shoot at anything with a temperature of 94-105 Fahrenheit? I suppose that will take some time to develop and by then as it is now there are too many guns in the world that can kill you. Only people that want to die by the hand of another would buy those types of guns.

Just to help Starman out, here is a link to the Today clip about the Newtown shooting. This clip was aired a day after the incident.

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Caesar, It must be horrible to live in such fear of your government? You and the righty gun nuts make me wonder how you can even sleep at night with such fear even when you're holding your guns! So Sad!

Are you alluding to violence with that comment? That's why laws like the one you listed will, in time, become reality.

"...from my cold dead hand!" Charlton Heston

Some hero...

Because we all know that crimminals and mentally unstable people, who have a pentient for being rebelious and non-conformist by nature will always obey whatever laws get put on the books. Just like the bad guys in the Middle East, who having no access to guns, would never dream of resorting to bombing a hospital instead.

Some have been correct, with all this attention given to guns, the focus on the people, and specifically the crimminally insane, is what's getting missed in the fray. And not all nutters have resorted to guns either. The real problem is the crimminally insane, and insanity itself; but then insanity isn't something they can wave a piece of paper at and say "look at this new law". Legislating things, would be easier for the politicians, who would be eager to show the voters "we care, we're doing something, vote for us again, please" then addressing issues of the mind, and whatever might be going on with mental health in this country...

Just to let you know gun lovers out there that since Sandy Hook there have been 1,221 murders. Not killings, but murders! The hunting of two legging animals!

I don't give a damn if public opinion is on my side or not, as most posts are based on emotion rather than analysis. Analysis is the statistics of statistics.

My example is Sergeant York who captured and shot a large number of German soldiers in World War I, single handed. These German soldiers had belt fed machine guns, grenades, automatic pistols, armor, trenches, and were "tuned in to having a gunfight". How did York overcome the odds against him, these machine guns, and grenades, and protections like trenches the Germans had against his assault? He used primarily a bolt action rifle and his brains.

Machine guns weren't invented in World War One, but it was the first major war in which they were employed in great numbers. Prohibition gang warfare introduced these firearms to the public after WWI, and they've been around since and aren't going away. Bullet wounds by non assault rifle caliber firearms are more common in the emergency rooms of hospitals around the nation, and that is the statistic to ponder, not the statistics of mass shooting assault crimes.

Police shooting teams have adopted war type gun technologies, but not Sergeant York type thinking. The police have armored vehicles, flash-bang devices, body armor, wireless communication systems, robots and bomb sniffing technologies, etc. When the call goes out for assistance, hundreds of police respond, as do ambulances, fire trucks, and officers, federal, state, county and local, news broadcasters, pundits, lawyers and book authors. There are more people than bullets in a drum magazine, which the attempt is being made to limit.

Revolvers and bolt action rifles, and pump shotguns are still adequate guns for most to conduct an assault with, assuming a " duck and reload " philosophy. This idiotic mindset the public seems to hold so dear is that firearms in the movies never run out of shots in the magazine, and the shooter has to carry that ammunition on their person. Rambo is a movie fraud. As musclebound as he was, he couldn't carry both the gun and the ammunition he shot in the movies, neither could have Jessie Ventura in "Predator", and no you don't shoot a pistol sideways like "ponytail" Seagull does.

Sergeant York was a real person, in a real war, shooting and capturing real people, in real history which you can look up. He used shooting skill and brains to accomplish what he accomplished, which means the majority of the solution to the Mass Killings concerns requires brains. Analysis of the analysis, the statistics of the statistics. Ducking is a very significant strategy in the sport of boxing.

Hello Jody, I see that the administration is hanging its hat on magazine clips and background checks. Background checks are already a requirement. Magazine clips will be too difficult to regulate.

The entire gun control argument we’re all hearing right now is a complete hoax. How will removing guns from the hands of law-abiding citizens magically cause criminals to turn them in or comply with any old or new law? It won’t. The argument is a hoax based on nothing more than irrational emotional appeal.

The Sandy Hook Shooting - Fully Exposed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obiQS1xCZHY

Congratulations to the state of New York! We need more of you who aren't still thinking we are living in the "Wild West"Era!

But evidently I got under your skin

Don't flatter yourself sweetie - in the meantime would you be so kind to tell us how my boot tastes while you're sucking on it, darling?

Get back to me when you're able to run with the big dogs... baby! lol

SouthFloridaGuy - don't know what you and Starman are drinking but clearly it's a lot since every news report - check it out - says the 26 were shot with the Bushmaster and the handgun was used by the shooter to kill himself. Lie as much as you like - the FACTS are out there and you have none!

OK Feisty choke on this http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/01/nbc-news-no-ar-15-was-used-in-sandy-hook-shooting-2562572.html

http://www.teaparty.org/obama-asks-military-leaders-if-they-will-fire-on-us-citizens-19039/

If you look up the title, there are more than just this reference

Now you Obama Supportin Scumbags you tell me what wrong with these pictures? Ya Backed the wrong guy, is it no wonder some in congress are looking at High Crimes and Misdemenors by MR Obama

The BoR says it is the RIGHT of the People, to keep and bear arms, NOT THE RIGHT OF THE MILITIA... The Founders wrote it this way because the Colonists just got done fighting a war against a state-run MILITIA! In 1774-75 the British confiscated firearms and gunpowder, thus starting the Revolutionary War. Do Obama, Feinstein and the lot want history to repeat itself???

The Brady Campaign's own website shows that gun crime is HIGHER where gun laws are more strict. Which correlates with data from the FBI that shows GUN CONTROL DOES NOT WORK AT REDUCING GUN VIOLENCE. NEVER has; NEVER will... { "choose your own stats" [Links provided beneath video.]} (How's that gun control working for ya there in Chitcago, Feisty? {rhetorical} Good thing I left my bull@!$%# detector in the garage. You and your kind would peg the needle and break it in a New York minute!)

And Biden has already admitted that they do NOT prosecute those who lie on background checks. With over 28,000 laws on gun control at the various levels of government, one might think it would affect gun crime. If you really think that way, you are a fool. They are called "Criminals" because they DON'T follow the law. And guns do not talk to people, nor cause people to commit crimes, either. For ANYONE who thinks that inanimate objects can talk, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN GOVERNMENT, you qualify for the loony bin, and shouldn't be allowed even NEAR a gun, let alone to have ANY SAY as to who should own one! {"hallucinations in schizophrenia" - APA}

If a kid picks up a rock. Throws it. And it smashes through a neighbor's window. It's the rock's fault? WTF?!

September 11, 2001 (The "official" report):

• TERRORISTS used BOX-CUTTERS to HIJACK airplanes.
• Do we blame the Box-Cutters or the Terrorists?

• TERRORISTS used AIRPLANES to KILL people.
• Do we blame the Airplanes or the Terrorists.

Fast forward to 2012:

• A LUNATIC/CRIMINAL walks into a THEATER/SCHOOL and used GUNS to KILL people.
• Do we blame the LUNATIC/CRIMINAL or the Guns.

”A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” -- Sigmund Freud, Father of Modern Psychology

"I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden. He has no business to be the head of a family. He must either hide himself, or must rest content to live for ever in helplessness and be prepared to crawl like a worm at the bidding of a bully." -- Gandhi

”If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.” -- The Dalai Lama

"Though violence is not lawful, when it is offered in self-defense or for the defense of the defenseless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission. The latter befits neither man nor woman. Under violence, there are many stages and varieties of bravery. Every man must judge this for himself. No other person can or has the right" -- Gandhi

"The great goal is, that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun." -- Thomas Jefferson

"I WOULD risk violence a thousand times rather than risk the emasculation of a whole race." -- Gandhi

OOPs I meant mag. not clip my mistake.. Remember the NRA may not be perfect but it is the voice of millions of voters and their extended families.. So bashing them as corporate shills is beyond stupid.. The libitard followers of Obama do not like it when the opposition uses grass roots organization against them and call us names but when they do it that's Otay..

False Flag and disinformation have been big weapons used by our government and when used against US citizens is treason for all who perpetuate and turn a blind eye in the government.. It almost seems as the Washington gang want to provoke a Constitutional cival war.. But what they will get is a population of people determined to keep the Constitution in place and all these attempts to diminish it silenced..

911 was full of high tech disinformation and cover up as with the Newtown shooting.. If you look at the aerial shots most of the police are trying to maintain a perimeter and they move the bodies via 4 wheeler instead of having the ambulances go to the scene.. The coroner that was interviewed was a goof and said that a certain weapon was used without any autopsy's.. Also stating that bullets were in the victims, sorry but a rifle or even a pistol round at close range will most often pass completely through.. Fixating on semi auto rifles when the majority of gun homicides are from small caliber hand guns and most murders are committed with 3 or less shots.. All this escapes the blind followers.. Why do they want the rifles so bad?? My theory is that Homeland Security [the illegal police force] wear bullet resistant vests that these rounds will penetrate easily.. Why do they ignore all the gang violence?? It seems to be part of the strategy to diminish the moral standards of certain population segments.. Some Black leaders were furious that Obama would use MLK's bible as he has done more to drag down their race and culture and Doctor King would not have been very happy because this was not what he taught as a road forward..

Sent an email to my politicians reminding them about voting for unconstitutional laws and how I was displeased with there silence to illegal presidential orders/mandates.. Said that a petition to impeach them could be completed in very short order and these acts will be remembered on election day.. Bet they have been getting a bunch and are now going to self preservation mode with the backpedaling..

None of the anti-rights group can tell me how many rounds I am going to need in the future to defend myself, and none of them are willing to do anything to protect me when my life is on the line.

Back during the latest LA riots a lot of the rioters targeted ethnic Korean small business owners for death of them and their families and the destruction of their means of making a living. Many of those hard-working people are alive because they had semi-automatic rifles with standard 30-round magazines. They were able to use warning shots to drive off those attempting murder and still have enough to protect themselves and their families (including children).

This isn't about safety or protecting children, since none of the proposed laws will increase either. This is about stripping the rights of the people away from them.

show me which Founding Fathers walked around with AR-15 or grenades or missile launchers

show me which founding father used the internet or watched television.

The fisting deadhead is ruffling her feathers, as if her fat arse could get off the couch. And if she could she would need to make sure someone paid for her bullets and her govt stipend was not interrupted.

Oh... I understand it all right - what melon-heads like YOU refuse to believe is we are not sitting quietly on the sidelines... YOU want a civil war - BRING it litle big man! You and your ilk got your ass beat the first time around!

All you know how to do is disrespect and talk rudely to people on the Vine and you never get suspended.

I spoke my mind on the subject at hand and you instantly attacked.

You instantly labeled me a right wing nut lol you have absolutely no clue what that means.

I guess if you believe in the Bill of Rights your considered a right wing extremist.

Good luck trying to pass your fantasy bill through the house 8)

You and your ilk got your ass beat the first time around!

This one shows you disdain for fellow Americans you truly need help.

I just don't understand why the answer to criminal violence with guns is to ban "assault weapons" and high capacity magazines. Why do gun owners have to explain their need to have such things? Someone who doesn't wish to break the law is the only one who is going to obey such bans & restrictions. I don't think that a person who is willing to shoot their own mother (against the law), steal her guns (against the law), shoot innocent kids (against the law) will be too worried that his gun and magazines are against the law. Merely owning an "assault weapon" and high capacity magazines does not mean that someone is a criminal no more than having access to beer and a car makes them a drunk driver. Taking away a law abiding citizens rights when they have broken no law will do nothing to reduce crime. Criminals will still however commit crimes while law abiding citizens who choose to exercise their rights by owning "assault weapons" & high capacity magazines are simply protecting their right not to be a victim of crime. Are we forgetting that criminals will simply adapt to changing times and actually become bolder knowing that they will meet less resistance from the average now weakened citizen. Even if they succeed in reducing crime with a gun, violent crimes will have a corresponding rise, it has been proven in other countries that have enacted similar bans. It is of little comfort to a rape victim or a murder victims family to say that a gun wasn't used. We must be careful not to allow our right to protect ourselves be stripped away under the illusion that we will somehow be more protected.

A snow ball in hell has a better chance then a weapon ban approved by congress.

Weapon manufactures are some of the biggest lobbyist in Washington DC!

Hey Feisty, put your foot on the gas as hard as you can and aim for something solid like a wall, or giant oak tree or perhaps a train or a huge cliff..

Starman-2398642,

Thank you for providing a reference. To me the article you linked seemed like more like a National Enquirer-esque piece. Too sensational, too vague, too many quotation marks , few real specifics.

That's just my opinion. Tell you what. If American soldiers come blasting their way into my racially diverse upper-middle-class neighborhood in order to confiscate our guns, I'll take no offense at you pointing your finger and shouting told-ya-so. But don't gloat too much, might change my mind - I have a Ruger Super Blackhawk and I know how to use it.

I spoke my mind on the subject at hand and you instantly attacked.

WHAAAAA - suck it up Bucko! This isn't Kansas anymore!

Don't swerve into my lane - if you don't like getting your ass handed to YOU, little buddy! lol

I understand when bullies like you get smacked back in your face...

And again I had to stop reading posts. Same tired rhetoric.

Fiesty, 59 posts and public opinion on this site is not on their side. Get it straight. This is the most liberal site available without a paid for subscription. If what you said was true, something would have been past "in the moment" by now. But what's the point of giving you facts? Even if you did get:

NOPE, THEY WOULDN'T POST IT (EDITED 9:28 PM ORIGINAL POST 9:25 PM...GOOGLE Weapons in Trunk Newtown)

or even a

NOPE, THEY WOULDN'T POST IT (EDITED 9:27 PM ORIGINAL POST 9:25 PM...GOOGLE Weapons in Trunk Newtown)

or maybe

NOPE, THEY WOULDN'T POST IT (EDITED 9:29 PM ORIGINAL POST 9:25 PM...GOOGLE Weapons in Trunk Newtown...you probably won't though.)

Oh, I'm sure Newsvine probably won't add my little links from the NY Daily News, 14 Dec. 2012 or a CNN story 17 Dec. 2012 on YouTube, or even the local CBS report 16 Dec. 2012...it doesn't fit in with their agenda. Still, it's kinda sketchy. If I were to look close enough at that YouTube video, the charging handle of an AR-15 (ARMALITE, NOT ASSAULT!!) is above the butt-stock (that's the back of the rifle for those unfamiliar), and he seems to be pulling a side charging handle to clear that weapon. That's an SKS.

So we based all this AR-15 hoopla on an SKS? Sounds very knee jerk to me. Doesn't matter though. I can stick facts out all day long, libs will never change their voice on anything.

bayllie, perhaps the question you ask isn't getting answered because it really isn't worded to everybody's level. Asking someone

how many sexually and/or physically children have you fostered?

may not make sense to most. I'm just a simple guy from Jersey who makes his living in the Carolinas now, and I think you're asking if I have children or have any foster children, but I'm not sure. If that's the question, then the answer is I have four children. The two youngest understand firearms, but are not old enough to be trained in their use. They understand safety, storage, cleaning, and that "that's mommy's" or "that's daddy's and we shouldn't play with them. They are not toys." My older two are old enough to make their choice about weapons and they believe they don't need them, and I support that. Would I ask a woman to get an abortion if I were the father? No! Do I support medically necessary or rape abortions? Absolutely!

They are children. They are the most precious resource this country has. If you are a woman, then your choice is your choice. If I were the father though, I would ask it to be carried to term and if things were bad between us, step up like a man should and be a single father. No, not everyone is like me, but it would be what I would wish for. There is nothing like being a parent. No other job that I have held has given me more job satisfaction. Not even for 5 minutes.

So bayllie, perhaps you can work on a question of mine. The question follows this statement: There is not one thing that was written into the Constitution of the United States of America that did not foresee the test of time or advancement of technology. It's simplicity in writing ensures that anything they did not cover and needed to be addressed could be amended in time. The Constitution was originally rejected by ten of the original thirteen colonies because without the bill of rights, it only spells out how our government runs. The bill of rights, comprised of the first ten amendments, are what give citizens their rights and protections from the government (fair bail, right to a speedy trial, right to free speech, ect.). So my question is, why would our Founding Fathers (having come from a tyrannical government) put anything about a states right into the part that is your rights?

If we are not vigilant about our rights (our individual rights), they will be stripped away. The "fair bail" one is already all but gone. Speedy trial has changed quite a bit. Free speech as long as it is politically correct. Your right as an accused is "as long as you don't have the money for a top shelf lawyer, you're in jail" and everyone should know that by now. Believe our country can't become tyrannical. It happens everyday.

Bottom line here folks is that the government doesn't trust you, anyone that owns a firearm or has ammunition and magazines that hold more than 10 rounds(7 in NY)is a potential mass murderer and that John .Q. Public cannot be trusted to have these things in their possession...so legislators from the "NANNY STATE" will take these things away from the BASTARD OFFSPRING of America,they want to tell you what to eat,read, watch and do on the road to the socialist utopia they have planned for us.

The redhead is a libitard shill and all she does is insult people.. But we all know that facts speak for themselves and this nation has far more people that believe the founding fathers were wise men who new the perils of liberals and welfare states.. People will choose not to be productive in exchange for a free ride and all that is needed for social and moral decline is a liberal attitude..

Mark in SoCal

No Problem Mark, I just think some in here really need to look at research before they post. In this case this only one referance to this article, ya google or bing it, theres more on this. This is not a good situation. Theres more going on here than just Guns, good luck, Im a retired bird, 30yrs and guarded one Pres, worked in the DC area for a long time, and this is getting bad fast.

What the country really needs is a ruling from the SCOTUS on just what the 2ed amendment means relative to what it says. The ruling should be within the context of the time the amendment was written, and, as that time relates to the present. The court could then determine, based upon Constitutional consensus, the peoples right, or not, to bear Arms, and the type and number of Arms thereby legally retained and regulated, or not, by the citizenry. This is not a question to be rightly determined by gun owners or gun haters, nor more pointedly, by profiteering agents of Arms manufacturers, namely, the NRA. The varied and claimed historical documentation of the intent of the 2ed amendment is speculative at best, and therefore has no bearing on the actual amendment, therefore offers no clarification of the peculiar language of the amendment nor Its actual intent.

Your comments speak for themselves your visions of grandeur are pretty big and I wish you the best in life.

Starman - OMG you cite a teaparty site as proof? You are a blithering imbecile! You belong in an asylum where you can't hurt yourself or anyone else! What a total moron!

Seeking Sanity, Google the title, more than just tea party have articles on this, so give it a break stupid

mac ,guess you missed the most recent ruling by scotus,upholding individual rights under the 2nd amendment.

Starman,

Good luck back at ya, Colonel.

Regardless of presidential pressure I just don't see the U.S. military turning wholesale on U.S. citizens. Certainly there could be, there has been, small skirmishes in response to demonstrations and riots in which the government decides to use soldiers (BAD idea - soldiers are not trained to be cops). But I believe the military would revolt against the government before engaging in any large-scale operations against the American people. That our military is a voluntary force I believe makes extensive military versus civilian operations even less likely.

Vice President Joe Biden downplayed the importance of passing an Assault weapons ban. Nice to have you on board with us Mr.Biden.

From the article (Biden): "'More people out there get shot with a Glock that has … cartridges that you can have magazines that can put two, 10, 8, 12, 15, 30 shells in it, then from any assault weapon you see,' Biden said."

Let's just say that, hypothetically, I may own a Glock that has a 17 round magazine. If the government was to say that all guns with more than a ten round magazine had to be surrendered, would I do that or would I be more likely to bury my gun in a hole in the back yard? (I'm not a "you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers" kind of guy -- I like my fingers warm).

Now, if in this hypothetical situation, the government was to say that they would replace my 17 round magazine with one that could only hold 10 (at no extra cost to me), I would probably gladly exchange magazines (clips) for the privilege of having a legal firearm next to me on my night stand while I sleep. I'm just saying that gun control advocates should keep all options open -- don't make enemies when you don't need to.

Lastly, for those who will want to say that it is careless of me to keep a loaded gun right next to my pillow, I'll tell you a true story (and I'll try to keep it short). Once, many years ago, I awoke to the sound of an intruder in my home. I had just enough time to reach over and grab my gun (at that time a Smith & Wesson 357 revolver) when an angry, very drunk man burst into my bedroom. He was screaming that he was going to kill me. Something about messing around with his girlfriend (he had the wrong guy). If I hadn't had that gun underneath the blankets, and pointed at him, I probably would not have had the nerve to shout back at him and tell him he had the wrong guy (I had just moved into that place two days before). Maybe he realized that I was pointing a gun at him from under the blanket, or maybe he just heard what I was saying. He said that he would kill me if I called the cops, and he left. When I heard him go out the front door, I got up, locked the door, and called the cops. Turns out that the neighbors heard the commotion and they recognized the guy as he left. He had restraining orders against him for the woman who lived in the place previously, and a warrant out for previously violating that order.

I could have legally shot him dead, and many of you will say that I should have. But I'm still glad I didn't kill a man. I was ready to, if he had taken two steps closer. But I didn't. Even today I think I sleep better because I didn't kill that man -- oh, and because there is a loaded gun on my nightstand.

Mac Forrester This idea would be a bad idea as the justices seem to have a hard time separating political goals from historic intent and tend to interpret things that way at times.. The creators of the documents made clear that these rights given to the citizens should not be infringed but have been time and time again via interpretation.. If you can not find a clear definition of amendment one and two and what they are there to protect and defend I am sure that a quick search for Thomas Jefferson's {who was a very smart guy}letters will help.. It is sad that our schools do not require the reading and comprehension of these things like they did when I was young.. But with planned moral decay and politicians out chasing the all mighty buck it is what it is.. They made Militia a bad word and some liberals think they are American Taliban.. This is sad indeed as being active in the preservation of our rights has gone out of style and been replaced with socialist dreams..

Coincidence or not??

The most adamant gun banners in politics happen to be Jewish?? Those folks in Israel can have automatic weapons and must join military for two years and here there is a rush for gun restriction and now women can get killed in the military too??

Strange isn't it??

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL, Fools and their $$$ are soon parted... lol

You got that right!! A lot of Obama voters were spittin mad when their taxes went up, like anyone would believe the 250k limit.

Amazing how stupid some are...

An assault weapon is an automatic weapon, and a semi auto is not an assault weapon. Just because it looks like an auto doesn't mean it is one. The left always twisting their words and making @!$%# up as they go. My profile name says is all.

I believe some of your mothers left the better part of your brains running down her chin.

Fiestyredhead said something like the majority of Americans support gun control, well where in the hell was that logic about the health care bill that the majority didn't support? @!$%#ing hypocrites.

@ Fiesty

Judging from the majority of recent polling, something has indeed changed after the slaughter at Newton!

Not only are you easily impressed, you're gullible as well. As long as people like you and the media want to change The Constitution and take away the rights of "We The People", maybe we should start off with the "Freedom Of The Press" by making it mandatory that they report all of the facts rather than picking and choosing certain facts to sensationalize their bias reporting. Then we can go on to "Freedom Of Speech". How about we disallow people like you from referring to others who are trying to protect The Constitution as gun nuts. You enjoy using your Freedom Of Speech to bash others but want to take their rights away. The Constitution was written the way it was just because of people like you.

Let's keep our foot on the gas and see common sense gun legislation across the finish this time to honor all the innocent who have fallen needlessly!!!

And while you're at it, how about you honor those who have fallen to protect our rights. Those numbers are much greater.

When horrible things like the senseless massacre of innocent people happen, I'm like most of everyone else... My heart becomes full of sorrow, my eyes fill with tears, I feel anger and I'm frustrated. But I do realize that changing The Constitution isn't the solution.

Even though I do not agree with you, I wish you a great weekend.

Mark in So Cal Would have to agree with you on that, still have lots of friends and contacts in low places, state theyve heard this, but that its a non starter for most, guess time will tell haw screwed up things get.

Semper Fi

I'm done playing with a bored, sexually frustrated housewife...

What happened Old Gal?

Your wrist get tired or did your batteries die?

when a crazed gunman is walking through a "gun free zone" massacring unarmed children, i dont think the 2 seconds it takes to reload is going to do much to stop him.

limiting magazine size or cosmetic features doesn't accomplish anything.

making weapons harder to obtain, doing more thorough background checks, and not allowing states decide their own laws and instead having the fed create a uniform law for all states, that does a lot more.

i am a proud gun owner, and i recognize that changes need be made. but these proposed changes aren't the right ones.

I love how PROOF was posted about the "No assault weapon used in the Sandy Hook...." and the military getting asked to if they would shoot on a American civilian and that Feisty Redhead has NOTHING to come back on.... She can dish out some sh*t and thats about it.... Just a regular troll that has no life but degrade others on a news site. You can act/talk big on the net but I GUARANTEE if you did this to a person face to face, you would be stabbed/shot/beat up whatever as people do not like to get tread on....

Biden forgot he had stock in the companies that mfg these assault rifles.

@major dicke #1.131: If you are referring to the extended 2008 ruling on "District of Columbia V. Heller" it is not pertinent to my suggestion. That ruling allowed the people to "keep and bear Arms for lawful purposes for self defense in their homes" specifically, and the ruling was specific only to Federal law. "Roadrunnero" above, commented likely, more accurately on my comment, however, His/Her probable reality doesn't diminish the great need for my suggested ruling. If you are aware of any ruling by the SCOTUS specifically supporting your claim please present. If such specific ruling encompassing your implication exists, I doubt the stirring of this argument would be afoot. Regards

To Fiesty and the brainwashed Brahmin liberals et. al.;

I know it's a foreign concept for you but here are some FACTS. Not hyperbole, half truth, catch phrase or socialist talking point.

1. The civilian ownership of "assault weapons" has been illegal in the U.S. since the National Firearms Act of 1934 was instituted. Assault weapons, did not exist in 1934 but machine guns and sub machine guns did. "Assault weapons are by definition, A rifle designed and chambered for an intermediate powered, center fire cartridge, it is of select fire design, i.e. can fire in either semi or fully automatic modes. An assault rifle in NOT an ugly semi automatic only rifle. True assault weapons are where they have been since 1934, in the hands of the military and police. That is a FACT. Had Lanza had an M-16 instead of the AR-15 semiauto copy, he would have quite likely killed EVERYONE at Newtown. That too is a FACT.

2. Counting all Federal, State, County, Municipal and the District of Columbia laws, They currently number 27,738. This too is a FACT. Among these are felons in possession of a firearm, which is supposed to land them back in prison for 10 years for the mere possession of a gun. Why are they not so charged and sentenced? Answer because the laws are largely not enforced, due to prison overcrowding, weak kneed liberals who think they can rehabilitate career criminals. And that enforcing current law would not forward the gun banners agenda. Just as enforcing immigration laws would put a real kink in the liberal style and vote pandering.

3. A gun is an mechanical devise. Nothing more, no different than a car, which by the way, kill far more people a year than guns, followed by heart disease, Diabetes, and Cancer, accidents (all forms). They are not endowed with magical powers to move and operate themselves. They do not whisper in your ear. Like a car, they will do nothing without an operator. That is a FACT.

4. History is filled with examples of what awaits the citizen who allows themselves to be disarmed by their government for some vague since of the "greater good." Russia, Germany, North Korea, Cuba, China. Thomas Jefferson, whom your "King William of Clinton" credited for his policies said it best. "Those who beat their guns into plows, Will plow for those who do not". This too is a FACT.

5. Prohibition does not work. Drugs have long been illegal. They are still very much among us. And quite heavily here, judging by some of the comments. Prohibition will make enterprising people quite wealthy, like the Kennedy's. Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, Bobby and Teddy, made his money running booze from Canada into the mobsters of the east coast. This too is a FACT. Ban whatever guns you like, out neighbors to the south have them by the millions and will be all too willing to smuggle them in, for a price. The war of drugs = failure, The war on poverty = failure, a future war on guns = the next civil war. And since most of you lefties don't own one, that might be a real bad day for you. This too is a FACT.

6. 175,750,800 (approximately) Law abiding, responsible gun owners have killed no one today. Nor have their guns. The minority, (the criminal element), have created this situation and as usual the left is willing to strip all of their rights out of some spineless attempt to forward an agenda. This too is a FACT. As with the prohibition of alcohol, guns will not go away. They will be secreted into homes, smuggled from all corner of the world, the prices will skyrocket, yet they will remain. And this too is a FACT.

7. Already, Jumpin' Joe Biden is backing away from a ban that would likely cost him any bit in 2016. He knows that even among his own party, this is a time bomb and will cost him roughly a third of the party. Because these things are popular in the tiny Nanny state areas of the country is meaningless, they are equally unpopular in the majority of the country. The addition of those diagnosed with dangerous or potentially dangerous mental illness for background checks is something responsible gun owners have long advocated. Do you not realize Lanza murdered his own Mother to steal the guns he used at that school? Now you lefties are willing to throw patient doctor confidentiality under the bus. Careful, this too could be expanded to include all manner of diagnosis to appease the "greater good". This too is a FACT.

7. Feisty say's "background checks are done only 60% of the time". FACT, ALL licensed gun dealers are required to use the Federal system on each and every sale, period, even if this dealer is at a gun show. No exceptions, No exclusions. So your numbers are wrong, You can not buy a gun directly on the internet, these sales are dealer to dealer transfers, the customer picks the gun up from a dealer in their state only AFTER they pass the federal background check. As with all sales by licensed dealers.

I know facts are hard for you all to take. They usually are since they dispel all the hysteria you worked so hard to whip up. But the facts are the facts. Assault weapons are not on the streets, unless you count the police. As many "High capacity" magazines are there are, they won't be gone anytime soon either. A magazine can do nothing without an operator, just as a gun. This is the result of a deranged individual who went on a rampage in a grade school. Why? To become infamous. He picked small children because they are helpless, it would case the most outrage and because he was a coward. Again he murdered his own Mother to get the guns he used, and by all accounts, his mothers attempts to get him help fell largely on deaf ears. Just as all the other mass shootings, everyone seems to know they were dangerous, but no one acted to stop them. Pick the mass shooting and everyone said they were loners, quite, strange, troubled, but none did anything. So if you want to blame someone, look in the mirror. As long as our society takes a hands off approach to the mentally ill, this will happen. Perhaps lacking a rifle, the next one will run down a bunch of kids with a SUV. Will you zipper heads be clamoring for an SUV ban as loudly and and hysterically? Anyway, I expect this to be collapsed, removed or deleted within minutes of posting but, oh well. Scream the lies all you like, they will always remain lies. And we all know it.

Forget about the payroll taxes and take a look at all the hidden taxes that are coming down the Obamacare pipe.. That bill takes funding away from people who worked and paid into the system and gives it to those who have not.. Taxes on anything the tax procurement board thinks is an unhealthy things like fast food, candy, soda pop, pets and the list goes on forever.. The hidden powers in that thing are mind boggling and the beating your local M.D. is going to be given is making many reduce their practice or just retire.. Talk about a shortage of doctors, WOW.. What kind of insanity are the liberal Democrats suffering from?? I think they know that they have spent us into a never ending hole and economic collapse is right around the corner.. That's why they want the guns and have embarked on such a mindless propaganda parade.. They know that chaos like never before seen is close at hand.. Militia a bad word? If you have more then a weeks worth of food and a gun you might be a terrorist? Your own stuff you bought in quantity is unpatriotic Hoarding? We are in deep $hit...................

GOOD NIGHT

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL Comment collapsed by the community

I am impressed reasonable gun control hasn't been swept under the table a couple of days after on of these massacres like it has in the past!

Judging from the majority of recent polling, something has indeed changed after the slaughter at Newton!

Let's keep our foot on the gas and see common sense gun legislation across the finish this time to honor all the innocent who have fallen needlessly!!!...

...regardless of whether it will prevent future tragedies or not. Let's hurry up and do something even if it amounts to nothing. At least we will be able to feel better about ourselves.

The Nicodemus, killing them with facts doesn't work, they know all and are jacks of all trades but masters of none.

good post though.

Don't worry about your guns, guys. The UN plan goes after our ammo. They know they will not be able to confiscate our guns as most police officers aren't stupid enough to come gun grabbing.

Of course they post here and don't get banned. That's their role. To stir the hatred in all of us to the point of anger against one another. Fiesty, Pigotry, Bev in Chicogo....don't you see that? I mean, I could go conspiracy theory here for a moment or two, but don't you see a common cattle prod coming from these guys? Just stir up the masses and watch them hammer it out.

So the real question is, why do we give these people the time of day?

Good bye Newsvine national news. I'll go back to world news if all you seem to do is have people try and poke me with a stick. I can't believe I fell for it for as long as I did. All I can do is laugh at myself

Fiesty: Pull your head out and look around. You are the minority. American gun owners will be the ones who save your ares from the tyrannical demigods running the wanabe socialist politicians. Oh, excuse me, you sound like a communists. One day you will eventually understand the true meaning of what the 2nd amendment stands for.

feisty--- you are in good form tonight. give em hell. i love it!

Magazines, huh? Like banning soft drinks larger than 16 oz. Neer-do-well politicians and their followers. Pathetic.

There is nothing reasonable or sensible about the attempted gun control. Indeed, several supporters of it here are afraid that the idea might lose momentum -- or, more accurately, that cooler heads might prevail. Obama did not campaign on gun control; and he did not win re-election on gun control. This is not what the people want him to do. The idea behind the Second Amendment is that the people should be able to fight off the military in the event that the government becomes oppressive. There's a reason why these are also called "military-style" weapons. You can bet that, if they decide to take away your vote and send in the soldiers, the soldiers won't be limited to ten rounds max.

My friend majoring in Law, in Eau Clair, Wisconsin sent me this email message:

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The right wing NRA keeps pointing to the example of Switzerland where they believe that every Swiss home has an assault weapon. Not true. Only about a third or less than half of them do, and with converted semi-autos but not assault rifles. And you have to be a citizen and trained in their mandatory-attendance militia school for recruits, to be legally allowed to own one. Also, the Swiss have some very tough gun control laws, and they have a LOT of them. Permits, background checks, mental health assessments, gun registrations, national database of serial numbers of all guns, mandatory gun lockers, etc. With only a few exceptions, only those in the security industry, citizens going to shooting ranges, and hunters are allowed to use weapons outside the home with different types of permits. Ammo ownership and its use are strictly controlled and limited as to who can have it, and where and when they can use it. They also have very strict conduct laws with the use of personal military firearms. Simply caught playing with one in mock drills with your peers and you can face serious charges for mishandling a weapon as an innocent joke. The Swiss also have one of the highest fatality rates related to firearms in the world, and a distant second only to the U.S. ...of which holds the infamous distinction of having the most gun fatalities, more than all ten of the top firearm-using nations on earth, combined. But because the Swiss have so many gun control laws, they have a very low crime rate when the crimes specifically involved firearms use, since their use is so restricted and controlled by the government. (But crimes committed without the use of firearms in Switzerland, that is a totally different police statistic, and is much, much higher). But still, their injuries and fatality rates with firearms use are still the second-highest in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/switzerland.asp

Ha, no one on our side are they? There are plenty on our side, it's just about split but Gun control advocates soon go away people just stop caring. Gun rights supporters are always ready to stand up for their rights and to fight for them.

@ retusn,

If you honestly believe that, then I feel sorry for you. Understand, you can't fight off the government with guns. And if you think you can, then good luck taking on a swarm of tanks with your 42 cal. and ak-47. Heck, if our government really wanted you dead, they could kill you with a missile strike or drone from miles away. Never mind a single military plane or helicopter could probably do the job. You'd be dead before you knew you were attacked. Guns won't help you defend s**t from our government, if that really ever became the case. Luckily, us sane people know that our government would never require us to protest with guns, despite how extremely infuriating, corrupt, dysfunctional, etc. they can be. We have free speech and non-violent protests for a reason. It doesn't require guns for your voice to be heard. Just numbers and numbers in votes.

And even if I am somehow wrong, and the government is out to get us like you loons say, then you are f**ked anyway. The civilian population has nothing in the means of being able to fight off our government through violence if it came to that. This isn't a sh**hole like Iran or Syria. You couldn't just get a bunch of rebels together and expect to shoot up a government you disagree with. The days of violent revolution in this country are over.

You Libby's are sooooo Fricken Funny, it amazes me how you rationalize yourself into a positive no matter how bad the news is for you. You are always winner, winner chicken dinner. Einstein Feinstein has her personal weapons but wants to hold empowerment over all of you. You all must enjoy being chained and whipped by your elected officials. To be so stupid yes I said and mean stupid to think any sort of ban at any level will help anything is to show exactly how absurdly deranged and absent from the real world you people are. Did it work for alcohol is it working for drugs? No! Wake up dumb-asses. It is actually so sad that I almost can't laugh at your lunacy. But hey whatever floats your boat keep living in your dreamland... but at the end of the day the government will not take guns and all your bans will not make you any safer and doubt will ever get any traction at all, you simply have the wrong approach. It truly is sad that you have no root cause skills and further hold no culpability with your precious freedom of speech media causing copycat murders here... just keep thinking law abiding people (the only ones who would be affected by "your ban") aren't the ones who commit these crimes so in the end you are only interested in pushing your liberal gun grab ideals onto others and not really trying to help save America's children, you sickening hypocrites.

white collar auto --- i realize you have a valid excuse for your comments. like your hero, gerald ford at u of m you played too much football without a helmet. if it wasn't for the auto bailout you would not have a pension that paid enough for the electricity for your pc. give thanks where thanks is do.

google 3d printable magazine. The files are already all over the web. 30 round magazines arent going anywhere, except for out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Criminals can just print them out np.

GodOfFate:

The government can attack a single individual before he is aware of anything. So you are correct in that one individual has no chance. But assuming the government doesn't want to rule over a huge crater where the Unisted States once stood, that just isn't useful against the masses. Governments prefer methods that eliminate protesters while leaving land and buildings intact.

Sooner or later, when government officials know they have nothing to fear, officials will ignore the desires of the subjects. They will tell them to like it or die and that they have no voice. But they will put on a show to prevent people from arming themselves.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

The Ar15 was in the trunk of the car. He had 4 hand guns. The magazine may have been just 8 rounds mags. the news did not say. All you gun grabbers are trying to make a law that will stop mass shootings. You should be focusing on education, and drug companies. Just because some of us own guns and AR15 does not make us killers. You have a vagina. Does that make you a whore?

The VP has come to realize that things will get bad if they try to take our guns away. The military would be of no use. there is only a million of them. there are 100 million of us.

Just last night NK said they will test a neuk on a missile headed to the US. They are still there today WTF. They are worried about Iran but thin NK is bluffing. OBH needs to go all in on this one.

a recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll showed that 56 percent of Americans believe gun laws should be more strict. The survey showed just 7 percent believe gun restrictions should be less strict.

Where did they take this survey? At the Starbucks between the spin class and the yoga studio?

Criminals come to your house. They beat and molest your wife and children while you are forced to watch because you won't own a nasty gun. Now you get to live with that choice for the rest of your life.

Criminals come to my house. I have an ar-15 and a 30 round magazine because police are 20 minutes away. I shoot the criminals. My wife has to order new carpet and my kids go back to school.

Pretty simple choice in my mind.

1. Assault Gun BAN
2. High capacity CLIP BAN
3. Get rid of Gunshow LOOPHOLE
4. STOP THE INSANITY !!!
5. POLITICIANS get some backbone and just DO IT

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• Sue the NRA and Gun Manufacturers!! Just like they sue cigarette manufacturers and lobbyists. The NRA is IRRESPONSIBLE!!!!

Diane Fienstien looks like one of the Munsters. She looks like she could be Eddie Munsters fraternal twin.

@ Pvblivs,

As flawed as our government is, we don't have anyone who we have to keep. Worst case scenario, we can vote anyone out we wish if the majority wants to. We can protest peacefully without guns or violence. There's no need for a revolution of blood and guns or anything like that. The key is being heard in numbers. The system, flawed as it is, has a saving grace that allows us to clean house if the leaders get out of hand. Something I'm seriously considering voting for in the next cycle. We can always vote them out. So if enough people peacefully protest, our elected officials have no choice but to respond or risk further upsetting the people who might vote them in. Our leaders may be a giant headache, and our government may have been turned into a dysfunctional headache, but at least they are held accountable to the people each election cycle. We just have to make sure to hold them accountable as a public, and that doesn't just go for one party or the other. We need to hold them accountable across the board regardless of party. You will never have our government get to that point where we would need to violently rebel because they can be voted out at any point for someone else. We also have an impeachment process for extreme cases.

Again, this isn't some piss in the sand country like Syria where the government has a habit of slaughtering it's own people for simply speaking against it. In the United States of America, we even encourage protest to a certain degree so long as it's peaceful. It's your right to protest so long as it isn't violent. There's no need to start a civil war with guns and violence. It's scary that anyone would actually think violence should be the first step in solving all our problems.

There are very good reasons for the constitution as a whole,and we as a people should be able to solve our problems in ways as to not infringe on any part of the constitution. Our constitution = Our freedom,plain and simple,but seems some would like our gov.to control every aspect of our lives. How about we have any woman that has a child while recieving benefits from the gov. be forced to have her tubes tied as to prevent any more posible tax payer funded births. Fewer children growing up in poverty!!!!and you can add in any woman having taxpayer funded abortions.

So many statements, so many insults. Problem is, most of you are totally missing the REAL point - when the government gets ANY control over ANY guns, what they are also getting is a LIST OF ALL GUN OWNERS. I think that's what they want, because if they so choose, they'll know where most of the (legal) guns are. That's not being paranoid - you get insurance for your house, health car, but you're not paranoid about having some calamity befall you, it just makes good sense. Having a gun of any kind, without governmental control, or government knowledge, keeps them in check. It also acts as a deterrent to other countries, when they know so many Americans are armed. It makes good sense. People who make fun of those that want guns are the ones who say, "it'll never happen to me". I'm sure you already saw what happens when someone gets a "map" of gun owners in your area - that is plain wrong in every sense. Twenty or so years ago, most people would never have thought so many would lose their jobs, their homes, but now here it is. And how many do you think said it would not happen to them?

People who want a ban on large capacity magazines should look at a program on TV, called, "Top Shot", and some others. They show shooters shooting, reloading, quicker than you can blink. They show shooters with simple revolvers, shooting as fast as an automatic pistol. Or go way back, to a series on TV called, "The Rifleman", who could shoot his lever action as fast as an automatic. Ignorance is a dangerous thing, and that's what I think most people have about guns. Even a "legal" clip for a pistol could be soldered or glued to another one, upside down, giving a person a quick change of loaded clips. In the service, we taped clips one to another, doubling our firepower. They ONLY way a shooter could be stopped between shots, is if they were using a muzzleloader. Or a bow. Or a Q - tip.

I hate making such a prediction, but I forsee mass shootings being done by a GROUP of shooters, and when that happens, it won't matter HOW large the magazine is. Our politicians, like Obama, Biden, Feinstein, are all headed the WRONG direction when it comes to making our schools safe. I've never heard it mentioned, but a much safer way to arm our teachers, and actually get them to use it without hesitation, is a special size canister of PEPPER SPRAY. It doesn't matter HOW good you are shooting a gun at targets, but the whole scenario changes when the target can shoot back. It WILL cause hesitation. PLus, how many bullets do you want flying around your children in buildings that are made of CEMENT and STEEL - do you know what a ricochet does to the human body? Much worse than a regular bullet. Every teacher could have a can of spray in their purse or (locked) desk drawer. Overspray won't kill any kids, where bullets will. A teacher will know spray will disable, but not kill, and would most likely use it without as much hesitation as a gun. A large can of pepper spray could also defend children against a GROUP of shooters - much better than one pistol. We need to stop the hysteria, and start thinking logically about this - we cannot stop the whackos, because we don't always know who they are, but we can form some barrier of safety for all innocent victims, old or young. So, stop arguing, insulting, and actually start thinking with your brain, not your emotions.

I'm surprised Biden is actually thinking sensibly. Nienstien is in full theatrics mode. Wait, shouldn't she be dead by now in the room with all those "killer" guns?

God of Fate, you must not heard of the government's massacre of the Weaver family. Where they shot the mother on the front porch (no gun, just holding a baby, who was also shot). And the other (Texas?) commune (can't remember their name) where the government went in, full force, shooting. A large group of people perished in the burning of the house. No, you just keep on thinking that you're safe with your government. And watch how many more "Weaver" families get assaulted by the government. Already, some state governments have turned law - abiding citizens into criminals, because they won't turn in their banned weapons. That should make the criminals happy.

Your idea of having people vote the bad politicians out is nothing more than idealistic - it'll NEVER HAPPEN, because the politicians carefully set the term limits so not all could be voted out at once, always leaving about 2/3 of the old poilticians in office. That way, they could always keep all their policies running without our interference. Secondly, IMO, our government keeps us separated by class, race, etc., so we could never get together as one large unit to oppose them. It's hard to believe Americans can't see this. Maybe I'm the only one.

Violence is not the first step in getting our government back to actually representing the people, it's the LAST. We've been trying it your way for too many years, without sucess. Classic example is the "electoral college", where Obama didn't even have to go to every state to campaign - just the ones with the largest electoral votes. I was watching the election, when they announced, "Obama wins the election". At that moment, our state only had 11% of the votes counted. So did my vote count? Guess not. Just try to get rid of the electoral college, and see how far you get. We're not as free as you think.

Get rid of the magazines, go belt fed!!!!

I would like to point out, the shooters in Arizona shooting, the Newton shooting, and the theater shooting, all broke gun control laws. Point being gun control laws do not stop the mad man. The only protection from an armed bad guy is an armed good guy. Next point, the second ammendment is not there so we can enjoy a hunting trip, rather it was put there not just to protect us and our families, but to also prtect our families from a tyrranical govt. May I recall a litttle history for you, Hitler took away the guns from his citizens before he showed his true intentions and look how well that turned out. It is time we stop blaming the tool the nuts used to commit the crime and start looking at the criminal. The more that our civilization decays the more nuts our produced...in the name of "tolerance" this nation sat bacjk and tolerated the loss of a once great nation. The gun is a tool just like a screw driver , hammer, powered nailer, or wrench. The kilers if they had no guns would have resorted to other methods, gas, chemical, fire, bombs to achieve there sick goals. I have seen this nation "Politically Correct" itself into a sewage pit, all in the name of tolerance. Sometimes it needs to be ok to call a nut a nut, to have moral standings, when there is no black and white, right and wrong and only shades of grey coupled with the idea that everyone deserves the same as what others have you end up with these kids who need to be famous just like everyone else they see on TV or the news...since there is no "wrong" they compete who can be the most grusomme. You want all this craziness to stop, r-establish some social morals in the schools, start teaching that even though we are all created equal that we are not all equal in every facet of life and that it is OK to fail, and OK to win and ok not to succeed but also that it is OK to succeed. You want to balme something for these killings, don't blame the guns blame the rampant liberalism in this country. May I suggest you all read the Naked Communist, it was written n the 1950's it lays out the "Communist Manifesto" and out of the very long list on how to take over this country one is for the over taking of the educational system and use it as a propiganda tool, another is to strip away of the morals of the nation. Both of these measures have happened and we now face a nation that is crying for a savior to dictate to us how to get out of this mess (this happened in Germany also-started in the 1800's and the culminated efforts escorted in the Nazi socialist party). So again don't blame the guns for these tragedies the guilt lies at the feet of progressivism.

10886 people were mudered with firearms in 2008 but prescription drug overdoses killed 14800 (57% of prescription drugs are aquired illegally). You wont ever hear about regulating prescription drugs because their lobby owns the Democratic party. Firearms were used 6850 times a day to protect people in 2008 (2.5 million times a year). I'm a moderate Democrat who voted for President Obama but unfortunately on this issue he is completely wrong. Do we blame the aircraft for 9/11 or the crazies who hijacked them?

GodOfFate:

I stopped reading when you lied about the worst case scenario. When the officials feel it is safe to do so, they will remove your right to vote. And they will send in the military to gun down the peaceful protesters. The government isn't giving up its guns. Now, you can address that situation -- not one where you can vote scoundrels out. Address the situation where they declare an end to the vote. Because what are you going to do about it? They control all the guns. And that's what you wanted.

Illegal aliens will be limited to one child and they must declare that child as "other than American"!

Keg47 ... prescription drugs are already regulated. That's why they're ... wait for it ... prescription. Maybe more people die from them that from guns because more people use prescription medicines.

Interesting, isn't it? Feisty and the other libs want to deny us our right to defend ourselves against unjustified assault. The right to defend yourself is a human right.

Twisted, isn't it? A liberal wanting to deny people their human rights.

Liberals are walking bundles of contradictions.

and heroin and cocaine is illegal too, did that stop overdoses, crime related to it, over the border smuggling,drug use by our youth or any professional? so they outlaw large ammo clips, doesnt stop anyone from using more clips with lesser ammo, doesnt stop unstable people from going on a killing spree, and there is always some criminal looking to sell a gun for profit that was probrobly stolen anyway.hold mental health doctors responsible when their patient flips out from teh wrong medication or for not taking it at all,hold homeowners responsible when a family member takes their gun and kills someone because they were under treatment for psyciatric issues, no gun should be allowed or any weapon for that matter in a household that has unstable people in it.

VetInVA ... Firearms have been regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934, with thousands of laws on the books since then. Automatic firearms are outlawed except for a minority of legal users and many import restrictions currently exist. To buy a new firearm legally you must go through a registered dealer the same as to get a prescription drug you must go through a doctor.

Cocaine is banned , still on every street in America !

Meth is banned, still on every street in America !

Both of these need to be manufactured, so what makes you think banning guns will be different.

My right to self preservation , and my right to preserve the lives of my family is not up for grabs. In every country were guns are banned, only criminals have guns now. I nor my family will be made victims by some left wing nut on a power trip to try and kill us.

But what about my workshop? What about my neighbors workshop?

Are they going to outlaw certain tools and machines?

I have a sheet metal brake and CNC machine right in the ol' garage.

A magazine is such a simple, unsophisticated mechanical device that those of us in the know find this "emphasis on magazine restrictions" (instead of focusing on the real problem) completely absurd to the point of being asinine.

I can pump out a dozen 50 round mags in less than an hour. So can you.

Even if you've NEVER touched a sheet metal brake or CNC machine, I can teach you how to use them in an afternoon.

If they want to ban them so we can increase penalties (fines, jail time, etc.) on those caught with them, fine.

HOWEVER, if you think banning them will reduce, IN ANY WAY, the amount high capacity mags out there, or the amount of violence caused by them, well, you're delusional.

What a complete waste of time, energy, and money by our "frugal" government.

Go figure.

Hey Feisty, here is your link. Right from your own msnbc.

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

Now, go crawl back in your cave and STFU.

Feisty,

If you really do live in Il., then you should know that so 'assault weapons' very very rarley if ever are used in any of the shootings that happen in this state. The shootings we all hear about are in Chicago, yet Rham and Quinn want to punish all the law abiding gun owners in the state. So now the government wants to do the same? Why should millions of law abding citizens be punished for the action of a few? They are going to have a difficult time. The AR15 is THE most popular rifle in the country. The governments own Civilian Marksmanship Program used them to teach us (the law abiding citizens) how to shoot.

GodOfFate

If you honestly believe that, then I feel sorry for you. Understand, you can't fight off the government with guns. And if you think you can, then good luck taking on a swarm of tanks with your 42 cal. and ak-47

This is such a ludicris argument. First it assumes that the military here in the US would take up arms against citizens. Some may but most would not as they need not. They are sworn to uphold the Consititution first and foremost allowing them to deny such an action without consequence. Second you ignore what we see in Afghanistan and Iraq where goat-herders have been kicking our ass for years despite being out-gunned and out-trained by a WIDE margin.

Taking guns away from the law abiding citizen does not deter crime it incourages it.

I am a law abiding gun owner.

If you want me to register my guns I will say no.

If you want to confiscate my guns then I say come and try.

I'm a moderate Democrat who voted for President Obama but unfortunately on this issue he is completely wrong. Do we blame the aircraft for 9/11 or the crazies who hijacked them?

And this is where it is imperative for you and others like you to step up to the plate. I don't give a rats ass what political party you're from. But in this case, it appears that it is an overwhelming majority of Democratic politicians, {at ALL levels}, who are in support of this nonsense.

As a Democrat, you and your fellow Democrats MUST take your party leaders by the balls and hold their feet to the fire...YOU ALL should be making their phones ring off the hook! YOU ALL should be overloading their mail, voice-mail and email boxes! YOU ALL should be inundating them with faxes! YOU ALL should be crawling up their asses, and make your voices heard, in order to put a stop to this unconstitutional foolishness...

And as for those who are Republicans, as well as others... This does NOT let you off the hook, either! You OUGHT to be doing the same thing!

What happened in Newtown was a tragedy. Unfortunately, as with 9/11, a government group is using this to TAKE rights from the People.

"Whenever something terrible happens, people reflexively demand that government do something. This impulse almost always leads to bad laws and the loss of liberty." -- Ron Paul

As I stated earlier:

The BoR says it is the RIGHT of the People, to keep and bear arms, NOT THE RIGHT OF THE MILITIA... The Founders wrote it this way because the Colonists just got done fighting a war against a state-run MILITIA! In 1774-75 the British confiscated firearms and gunpowder, thus starting the Revolutionary War. Do Obama, Feinstein and the lot want history to repeat itself???

Everyone must remember that this government has gotten to the point where "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". It's time for those who believe in the BoR and Constitution to get REAL LOUD, NOW!!!

Before it's too late...

"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms ... THE RIGHT OF THE CITIZENS TO BEAR ARMS IS JUST ONE GUARANTEE AGAINST ARBITRARY GOVERNMENT, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America BUT WHICH HISTORICALLY HAS PROVEN TO BE ALWAYS POSSIBLE." -- Hubert H. Humphrey

"By calling attention to ‘a well regulated militia,’ ‘the security of the nation,’ and The RIGHT OF EACH CITIZEN ‘to keep and bear arms,’ our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy... The Second Amendment STILL remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships in which EVERY CITIZEN MUST BE READY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DEFENSE OF HIS COUNTRY. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will ALWAYS be important." -- John F. Kennedy

"Our nation was built and civilized by men and women who used guns in self-defense and in pursuit of peace. One wonders indeed, if the rising crime rate, isn't due as much as anything to the criminal's instinctive knowledge that the average victim no longer has means of self-protection." -- Ronald Reagan

"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws." -- Edward Abbey father of environmental movement in"Abbey's Road", 1979

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Feisty those are some big words, bring it on little man we beat you once before, really? You think this would be a north/south thing, you'd probably be on the first to go, you think to much or not enough by your posts and your hatred of everything but your opinion.

I hate to say it, this would be a country thing not a north/south thing and it would be more about fighting for freedom than it would be about gun laws and gun control, but you'll never see that, and what do you think you would do without a gun in a gun fight? Or do you secretly have a stash of guns but don't want to admit it? And you live in one of the most dangerous cities in the world, I dont' think you'd last more than a couple hours sweetheart.

Once the anarchy broke out the gangs would own that town in a matter of minutes leaving anyone without a gun easy prey and unlike a law abiding gun toting citizen, these people will not hesitate to pull the trigger, and with the type of animal you are dealing with they may rape you before or after they kill you, pray it's after.

@ Feisty & Seeking How about those recess appointments? null & void Mr. President. See, there is a body of the government that DOES believe in the constitution

OBAMA's immigration reform means WAR AGAINST MEXICO!

haggisbingo-2225582

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You are an idiot of the first degree for sure, your answer as a far left wingnut is to sue everyone. How about starting with car manufactureres and then move on to cattle suppliers and every other product we the people use and some use in extreme and unintended and sometimes deadly ways. You really are at a loss for anything resembling a brain upstairs aren't you. Notice that wasn't really a question... We already have the answer. You've got libby libby libby on your label label label. Total lack of thought process going on in your head.

Anyone who is either for gun control, really needs to get an education. As a matter of fact, Kung FU Panda might be a good place to start your grade school level education... {sarcsm} Talk about irony.

Kung Fu Panda: "The Midnight Stranger" -- "When Kung Fu is outlawed, Po turns to donning a mask to fight crime!"

In the beginning, Constable Hu talks about Po needing a "permit" to use Kung Fu. Then Constable Hu outlaws Kung Fu. The criminals overhear what Constable Hu said, and...

Just watch it. It's simple enough for a CHILD to understand. Hopefully some of you adults will get it...

And the real irony is at the end!

At 18:50 the criminals show up and then tell Constable Hu that he was on THEIR side.

• Criminals: "Outlawing Kung Fu was a master stroke."
• Constable Hu: "It... It was?"
• Criminals: "You're the best thing that happened to us! Big fans..."
• Constable Hu: "What have I done?!"

Oh, wait!!! lets just change one little word...

• Criminals: "Outlawing guns was a master stroke."
• Congress: "It... It was?"
• Criminals: "You're the best thing that happened to us! Big fans..."
• Congress: "What have I done?!"

A story made for kids to teach adults... LOL! What a concept!

In 2010, 10,228 people were killed in a drunk-driving crashes – one every 52 minutes.

http://www.madd.org/local-offices/tx/southeast-texas/fact-sheet.html

14,748 people died in the US from intentional firearm homicide, a number that reflects the steady decreasing rate over the past 20 years.

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Globa_study_on_homicide_2011_web.pdf

It seems to me that drunks driving are just as dangerous as guns, and we should immediately reinstate the Volstead Act.

Because the laws against drunk driving we've passed aren't working, are they??

In fact, I bet the POTUS can even sign an executive order to do it! Repeal the 21st Amendment!

"If it saves even one child it's worth doing"

"it's just common sense"

And we should prevent these terrible distilleries and breweries from plying their evil wares upon us everywhere, especially that radical 'local brewery', which is just a gathering place for people who want to drink and drive close to their homes.

Yes, tear them down. No more scenes of the drunken carnage from a wrong-way crash on the freeway. No more!

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And spare me the 'we're only after one kind of gun' nonsense...that's like saying "we'll prevent drunks by banning alcohol above 120 proof."

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To me, it's remarkable. What part of shall not be infringed are you struggling with?

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Yup, Obama supporters were spitting mad! I wanted taxes to go up for everyone over S200,000

The joke is on all of the gun grabbers. Feinstein's legislation will get shot down in flames. It won't go anywhere. So why bother arguing with the gun grabbing fools about this any longer?

retusn said:

American gun owners will be the ones who save your ares from the tyrannical demigods running the wanabe socialist politicians.

And NRA fluffers claim Democrats live in a fantasy world. Too damn funny!

People, we are on the VERGE of a financial and economic collapse with nearly $17 TRILLION in Debt and over $125 TRILLION in Unfunded Liabilities AND the Federal Reserve PRINTING $1 TRILLION a year and lending it to OURSELVES!!

BTW, the final step to a financial and economic collapse is when a country must rely on printing (and devaluing) its own currency JUST to to survive and cover bills. THAT quickly collapses and is EXACTLY what we are currently doing.

And we have a president talking about immigration and gun control? The immigration problem will fix itself because when the economic collapse happens there will be more jobs in Mexico than in the U.S. anyway so they will have no reason to WANT to stay. It will be better in Mexico. And the guns I HAVE to keep just to protect my family and food stash from thieves and misfits.

So why don't we work on the DEBT and fixing the ECONOMY!! Immigration and gun control is Obama's BIGGEST CONCERNS?!?! What a failure as a president.

For those who think we don't have any current gun laws and restrictions. You are mistaken in a big way. Fully automatic guns are essentially illegal to own along with many other weapons. I think just about everyone could live with closing any background check loopholes. But banning guns like the AR15 is plain stupid. It is not an assault weapon. It is a cool looking semi auto rifle. Rifles account for less than 1% of murders. So, we are making a big deal about a weapon that is rarely used to kill someone. Knives are more commonly used for murder than a rifle. That is how absurd this is.

If you are going to make laws they should make us safer. Restricting the guns they are talking about doesn't do that. Restricting the magazines that go in them won't do it either. Our inner cities are infested with gun violence (hand gun, I might add) from thugs who care nothing about laws or human life. The problems in our inner cities are not about guns but about the people who use them, who don't believe in the hope of America, who don't believe in working hard to achieve success and who are uneducated. I am not sure what the answer is there. Clearly, all the programs to help them haven't worked. But those are the people killing others. That is where the problem is. This other stuff is just a bunch of stupid politicians trying to make themselves feel better.