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Mark & Domenico
There has been a lot of spin about Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Please investigate how much more money is needed to fund these in their current form. How much of a % of GDP is that increase?
If the eligibility age for Social Security and Medicare go to 70, what effect will it have on these figures?
I am asking you to find figures that are neither left-leaning (ala Huffington Post) or right-leaning (ala Fox). To have a good discussion about the problem, the size of the problem needs to be well-enough defined.
independent voter..
raising the medicare age to 70 means more dead 65-69 year olds. NO employeer is going to retain a 70 year old employee, so their GAP between insurance coverage after work and prior to medicare will either bankrupt them or kill them.. or bankrupt them prior to killing them
ALL your medical problems start showing up about 65.. thats why medicare was created. NO private insurnace company ON EARTH wants the 90% healthcare utilization demographic..
unless your for population control that's REALLY a stupid idea.
To raise the age to 70 is completely wrong. What about those men and women who have worked jobs for some 30 years that require much physical labor? What do you think that does to the body? Megan Kelly, the idiot on Fox, commented the other day and thinks it's no big deal, that 70 is still young. Yes, 70 is still relatively young, especially if you are working a cushy job like she is. 70 is not so young to those who have worked manual labor or had to stand on their feet for 12 hours a day, day in and day out for 30 some years. And before anyone makes an idiotic comment that someone working a physically demanding job could have gotten a different job, not everyone has gone through the ranks of an education that might actually afford them the opportunity to get the coveted swanky office job that has one sitting on their posterior for 8 hours a day. There are real people in this country who sweat and get dirty every single day, and now some in the government want to tell them you are SOL, you gotta work 5 more years before we will hand over the money that you put into the coffers for some 30 years? My comment doesn't even begin to cover the physical decay of a body that has been abused for over 30 years so that one can feed and shelter their family.
Alaska, it is so easy to forget everyone when they are so low on the totem pole. I was fortunated to have a job that allowed me to both sit and to walk around but many people who worked for me sat all day long. That is hard on their bodies as much as standing all day. I had some who did that too.
Firefighters, when there isn't an emergency sit around the firehouse but when they are on a call anything could happen that would affect their health. We got a dog from a man who was a firefighter and at 47 was forced to retire because of the kid of job he did. While his union helped him not everyone is so fortunate as to have that kind of help. Just think, this public servant who put his life on the line for people, rich and poor alike, should have to wait until 70 to get medical insurance, even if that is Medicare? What about the guy who does the roof of your house or builds the highrise office building one's office may be in?
You have merely touched the tip of tthe iceberg.
Actually I would like to see a means test for people starting at 62, the same age as for SSI, and those whose incomes are above a certain level would not be eligable for Medicare until a later date or their means is reduced.
All my medical problems started in my late 40's. :-)
I asked for the figures because raising the eligibility age has been talked about frequently.
I want to know the difference in $ and in % of GDP between that and to fund them in their current form.
Once we know the figures then the fun begins. Deciding what gets funded and who pays what is the next step in the political arena. That is the wider debate once the costs are defined.
Could it be, is it really so???? I 110% agree with AlaskaGirl's entire post!
"And before anyone makes an idiotic comment that someone working a physically demanding job could have gotten a different job, not everyone has gone through the ranks of an education that might actually afford them the opportunity to get the coveted swanky office job that has one sitting on their posterior for 8 hours a day."
Believe it or not there are people who actually love their physically demanding jobs and this country would be nowhere without people doing those jobs!
HaHa! Mike!
I agree, there are plenty who relish a physically demanding job. I have worked jobs before where I was going all day long, never sat for more than 10 minutes. Had a job once working the produce dept of a large grocery store. Talk about physically demanding! I loved it, but if I had to have done that job for 30+ years, I would be a vegetable(pun intended)! You are right, Mike, this country would be nowhere without the hard labor of the working class. I guess that is why I feel so strongly about not making those people work themselves to near death another 5 years before they can get any services. Does anyone really think that many employers are going to want to keep those in that age bracket on when they can hire someone half their age at more than likely a much lower wage, not to mention the health insurance advantages there are in employing a younger person over a person in their 60's? Highly doubtful, and the employee and the employer should not be put in either position.
See if Megan Kelly is still employed as a commentator at age 69. Shoot, if it wasn't for Fox she wouldn't even have that kind of a job, no one else would hire her.
Ricardo98,
You could say the same thing about Rachael Madcow...
If it wasn't for MSNBC I'm not sure anyone would hire him either!!
Moocher, there is one distinct difference between Rachel Maddow(that's the correct spelling) and Megan Kelly. It's called a highly intelligent brain, and I am sure you can figure out all by yourself that I'm not putting Megan Kelly and a highly intelligent brain together! Oh, and you dissin' Rachel only shows your bigotry and hatred towards the gay and lesbian community, thus making anything you say really irrelevant.