16,000,000 rounds ?

Citation Please !

While I applaud the essence of what the president and vice-president are trying to do, I'm just not convinced that the end results will be what everyone is hoping for.

Obviously there is no simple remedy to prevent the tragedies we have become almost callous about. Guns are here and probably here to stay.

Making a national waiting period will probably help, but only to a degree. But I am in favor of it if it could save even 1 life and I have no doubt it will.

Perhaps the next step would be to increase the taxes on gun/ammo sales to such a degree (such as cigarette taxes) might help to curb certain sales. Increase the sales tax on the guns/ammo to such a degree that it may dissuade some of the purchases. Use the extra tax to help educate people or to go toward other resources that could help eliminate the problems we all face.

HAPPY B-DAY MICHELLE OBAMA! You are truly a national treasure

Kannin,

Now Obama wants to use executive orders to deny guns and ammo to non-government civilians.

Cite a source. That and comparing the President to Hitler? Paranoid or what?

I do have a question for all of the paranoid tyrannical crazy posters - when exactly is your civil war going to start and do we have to get shirts so that we all know who's on what "side" exactly or do you all just "know?"

The citizens in this country support gun control. The people that own guns responsibly support gun control. The man I live with has several and they are locked up and taken out when he hunts or target shoots. He is very supportive of gun control. That and he loves his grandchildren and wants them to be in a safe and secure world where the entire population is not armed to the hilt claiming they are the "militia."

Dennis - the Number of rounds just purchased by the DHS is 1,600,000,000! That's five bullets for every man, woman, and child in the country.

I am looking for your LINK to the rounds of ammo purchased by DHS that is enough to kill all citizens 5 times over.

Accidently left off a couple zero's above ... Sorry

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio I am looking for your LINK / citation to the rounds of ammo purchased by DHS that is enough to kill all citizens 5 times over.

“Below you will find the lists of solicitations, hyperlinked to their pages located at http://www.fbo.gov.

The following filters were used:

US Coast Guard and Secret Service were not accounted for. The USCG rarely requested ammunition, and the Secret Service were mainly “Award Only” notices. No amounts of ammunition could be obtained.

Any “Award Notice” only entries were omitted due to the lack of needed information.

In the first chart, you find the hyper linked solicitation, the total number of rounds requested, and the agency requesting the ammunition. Of all of the sub-departments, only Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) ordered ammunition outside the filters discussed above."

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/08/the-history-of-dhs-ammunition-purchases.html

The Department of Homeland Security is directly under Obama's control. They just purchased enough ammo for their "assault rifles" and handguns to kill every man, woman and child in the US five times over!

Lord, that has been going round and round for almost a year. First it was 450M, then 750M, then 200M more, then 1.4 billion, and now I guess it is up to 1.6B or T or whatever. Why is this relevant? Why does the Navy buy ships? Why does the Army buy bullets? Why does the Air Force buy ships? Why do we build enough nuclear bombs to destroy the world 30 times over? What does any of this have to do with gun control?

Kannin,

Any site that begins with a quote from Hitler is clearly biased.

Your link gives the total purchased over the past 8.5 years.

How much of that is used for practice?

How much is used to replenish supplies that expired?

Studies-polls show that White, non-college educated men by the largest numbers don't support an assault weapons ban. Something is wrong here.

Dennis, he's lifting it from Natural News http://www.naturalnews.com/035607_government_checkpoints_Martial_Law.html And Alex Jones' InfoWars. http://www.infowars.com/if-obama-is-opposed-to-guns-why-did-his-administration-just-purchase-1-6bil-rounds-of-ammo-and-sniper-rounds/

They're crackpot conspiracy theory websites that list all kinds of incredible stories under labels like "Big Brother", "Police State", and actively promote Doomsday Preppers as reasonable people. Here's an excerpt;

#1 Why are sales of physical silver coins breaking all sorts of all-time records? The U.S. Mint is on pace to sell more silver eagles during the first month of 2013 than it did during the entire year of 2007.

#2 Why has Germany announced that it will be moving gold from New York and Paris to its own vaults back home? Is this a sign of a breakdown in trust among global central banks?

#3 Why is China systematically hoarding gold?

#4 Why have billionaires such as George Soros and John Paulson been hoarding massive amounts of gold?

#5 Why are billionaires buying up so much ranch land up in Montana?

#6 Why is Russia warning that we are rapidly approaching a global “currency war”?

#7 Why has Barack Obama chosen this moment to launch an all-out attack on the Second Amendment?

#8 Why does Barack Obama want doctors to ask their patients questions about firearms?

#9 Why is there an incredibly severe nationwide ammunition shortage all of a sudden?

#10 Why has a bill been introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives that “would ban Internet or mail order ammunition purchases“?

http://www.infowars.com/50-shocking-questions-that-you-should-ask-to-anyone-that-is-not-a-prepper-yet/

Yeah, that's a credible source.

Layton.............

I agree with what you are saying about reasonable gun control limits. I won't go so far as to call people tyrants or paranoid however. Just because people don't agree with our thoughts doesn't make them either tyrants or paranoid in my opinion.

Eliminating assault weapons and the magazines that go with them is not only reasonable, but necessary. There is no reason for any citizen to own such.I can only pray that the current outrage being felt inn this country will enact more reasonable legislation to prevent the ownership of assault weapons. Moreover I hope that a stiff jail sentence will go along with any such legislation that would keep people in procession of such weapons away from everyone trying to live a safe life in this country.

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United States: 30,000 firearms related homicides and suicides per year.

Canada (Homicides by any method):

In 2009, 610 deaths.

In 2008, 611 deaths.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/canada

Time to address the gun death problem in the United States. WE CAN DO IT. WE HAVE TO.

Kannin . . .

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp

Read the article. While yes, bullets have been ordered, it wasn't from the Department of Homeland Security. Also, I can't remember if it was Colbert or Jon Stewart last night discussing this issue but have you noticed that law enforcement agencies are being quiet regarding all of gun control recommendations? Interesting . . . .usually that means support.

nomoresameo . . . .

I couldn't agree more with your post. I sincerely want to know about those that post the reason they own guns are to take back the government. Why? Most people own them for sport shooting and hunting. Stockpiling for an upcoming war - I find interesting.

OK nomoresameo - that is truly funny. Although most of us know your double post is most likely caused by the pesky FR gremlins, one could think your double post is an act of paranoia.

Layton-3733410

... comparing the President to Hitler?

Hey Layton... How do you like my avatar? (freedom of speech you know)

:OP

kannin - Now I see why you are against all the things President Obama proposed. With the mental health issues you have, you wouldn't be allowed to own any firearm.

SickOf.... with every post you make you show you truly are Sick!

John B,

Just too good.

Many need to stop being so Insecure in their man hood.

@SeekingSanity: kannin - you truly are Sick!

As always SS, I appreciate it when you attack me, rather than addressing my arguments. It is your clear admission to all that my post is entirely accurate, and that you have no valid counter to any part of it.

Sick of ...

http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/cgi-bin/seigmiaow.pl

I find that far more amusing and informative than your avatar and/or posts.

Kannin - you have no arguments to address. Your posting is ridiculous and you have nothing to back it up so yes, I'm attacking your ignorance and stupidity. If you actually BELIEVE your posts you truly need professional help!

And, if your reading comprehension skills were better you'd see that the comment about being truly SICK was directed at SickofTheBickering. You CAN read, right????? I didn't say Kannin you are truly Sick. Please get someone to explain to you!

Layton

now, now ... those fascist cats will soon be trotting all the mice off to the ovens to make pies ... yummy, purrrr, sub-species mouse pie.

What am I supposed to do shiver in my boots. Ooh the boogie man of the government is coming for us. Please spare me the BS. I am sure you and your arsenal will protect you from that rocket the government has aimed at your anal sphincter. You may chose to live in fear, I do not. As FDR said, "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself".

Knowing where Obama stand on anything is easy. The wrong side. He can't help himself but make poor choices. He knows no better.

Truely Pathetic. Worst ever.

rukidding - what is pathetic is every candidate the Republicans have run during the past two elections. Must really suck to be on your side and know that the President is a genuinely good man who walks circles around the clowns you choose!

The Republican party is truly pathetic! Worst EVER!!!!

Layton-3733410

Sick of ...

http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/cgi-bin/seigmiaow.pl

I find that far more amusing and informative than your avatar and/or posts.

Those are pretty funny ;-)

Lets see, shortage of guns, shortage of ammo, shortage of tin foil. Yep, Obama sure is good for the economy. Just set the nuts loose buying stuff they don't need.

In Ohio districts, as an example, 75% of Representatives elected are GOP. If half the money the DNC spent on Obama had been spent on congressional races in Ohio at least 3 additional Democrat representatives would have been elected which would have been a 6 vote swing in the House. In my view Obama still would have carried the presidential race in Ohio since districts where GOP congressional candidates won were districts where Obama lost anyway.

The DNC put too many eggs in the Obama basket.

The guns stance by Obama yesterday will anchor all GOP representatives to the Congress for years to come, and should cause growth of GOP representation in 2014. Bucking the Second Ammendment rights held dear by over 200 million proud, voting, American gun owners will be more galvanizing than even Obamacare in 2010.

The Department of Homeland Security is directly under Obama's control. They just purchased enough ammo for their "assault rifles" and handguns to kill every man, woman and child in the US five times over!

Yup, here comes them black gubmint heel-o-copters to take my guns (chuckle). Kannan, you are hilarious if not tragically paranoid, What is with you guys and your fantasies of mythical evil g-men hell-bent on busting down your door...and all 300 Million doors no less? Nuts!

And the ammunition thing.....so I take it your ok with Defense Cuts, then?

Question of the day....Is it a Civil War if only 5% of one side wants one?

Hey Layton... How do you like my avatar? (freedom of speech you know)

Sickl Of Bickering, Why is it I feel nervous that your 1st instinct for humor on a Gun discussion is to deface a black president with a Hitler mustache.

The Department of Homeland Security is directly under Obama's control. They just purchased enough ammo for their "assault rifles" and handguns to kill every man, woman and child in the US five times over!

So...why would they want to kill everyone 5 times? A bit counter-productive, don't you think? What rationale do you have for thinking that is what the government is plotting. You 2nd Amendment zealots really need to get over yourselves, sorry, but your just not on the g-men's priority target list as much as your fantasies would have you wet dreaming over.

Is it a Civil War if only 2% of one side thinks there is one?

Scott, as I pointed out elsewhere you cut and pasted that same comment NO ONE IS COMING FOR ANYONE'S GUNS.

There's a reason the GOP did poorly in 3 of the last 4 elections and UNDERPERFORMED expectations in the supposedly transformative 2012 elections.

Monday morning quarterback all you want. Democrats held the WH, increased their majority in the Senate, and made substantial inroads in the House. The gun regulations proposed by the President are common sense things supported by majorities...in many cases substantial majorities. The NRA remains powerful but the people don't want to be constantly surrounded by random people packing loaded guns. We don't want to live in 3:10 to Yuma. Life isn't a Western movie.

How disgusting it was for those children yesterday, to be propped up on that stage and USED by Obama to further his agenda.

And what agenda would that be?

SickOfTheBickering

Ya how disgusting ... what is Rush's agenda?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7dFTT4JUgw

SickOf - as usual, your sick rantings have no merit. The children who stood with President Obama had written him after the Sandy Hook shootings, telling him of their fears and asking him to help. Their parents were there and approved of their children being present for the announcement.

How like you to attack small children - it's all you have!

what is Rush's agenda?

Is Rush President?

[How disgusting it was for those children yesterday, to be propped up on that stage and USED by Obama to further his agenda.]

Maybe you can ask their parents if that is the case, but I suspect you'll just tuck tail and run.

Is Rush President?

Nah just Der Freischütz for 14.5million listeners per week

Cowards like our friends Caser A and SickOf can't seem to realize that not everything Obama does is because of some evil agenda. They listen to Rush spout off his "entertainment" and aren't smart enough to weed out bull droppings from the truth. They are so much fun to read and chide. Keep up the good work guys it would be dull here without you.

Those kids ought to be writing letters to Obama asking him why their Dads don't have jobs and why they had to move out of their house when Mom and Dad lost the mortgage.

But that's not what their parents told them to write , now is it?

Even the dead kids?

How thrilling it must of been for those children yesterday, the looks on their faces were PRICELESS!

Hell yes. They got the day off school and all their friends could see them on TV last night. What kid do you know who wouldn't have a "priceless" look on their face? They, I am sure, were damned happy to be there.

The children who stood with President Obama had written him after the Sandy Hook shootings, telling him of their fears and asking him to help.

And I am sure they all wrote the letters while laying in their beds that night ALL by their lonesome with no coercion from the parents.

[Those kids ought to be writing letters to Obama asking him why their Dads don't have jobs and why they had to move out of their house when Mom and Dad lost the mortgage.]

So, Captain Cupholder...did you ever write that letter thanking President Obama for bailing out the auto industry so YOU can keep YOUR job "designing auto interiors"?

Do tell...

Talk to the Hand - don't have a clue, do you? So, you just write nonsense and don't realize how utterly idiotic you appear!

Cowards like our friends Caser A and SickOf can't seem to realize that not everything Obama does is because of some evil agenda

Ironic im a coward as you post that behind your computer. Not everything he does is evil..just most.

[Ironic im a coward as you post that behind your computer. Not everything he does is evil..just most.]

Now that's rich...but as you say:

Pot, meet kettle.

What is apparent, caesar, is that you have become everything you despise. How does that feel?

Again... how's everyone like my fine new avatar?

;-)

Oh yeah... just a little tid-bit for you know-it-all from the left... personally, I have not listened to Rush for about 10 years. (unless you are talking about the band from Canada... they rock!)

Mickey, Captian Obvious, seriously How often if at all i call people cowards and pussies? tisk tisk tisk mr. glasshouse.

What is apparent, caesar, is that you have become everything you despise. How does that feel?

So you saying im a liberal like you now? Self loathing will ensue rest assure my Proletariat friend. Do keep your chin up

[How often if at all i call people cowards and pussies?]

What I said is true...but keep up the straw man argument that "my words are worse than your words", Mr. "Independant"...LOL...now that was funny. You fool no one.

Now go ahead...call me a hypocrite and tuck your tail and run.

[So you saying im a liberal like you now?]

Again, too much you assume, ObiWan.

How thrilling it must of been for those children yesterday, the looks on their faces were PRICELESS!

"The only time Democrats WON'T use children as a backdrop is at a pro-choice rally" - Greg Gutfeld

That better SS.

Talk to the Hand - no, you still have no clue - about anything. If you've ever seen photos of pro-choice rallys you would see that most have children there. See, pro-choice recognizes the woman has the choice and most women choose to have their children. We just don't put women down who have to make a difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy. But, of course you don't have a clue - you just spout off - as usual!

As usual you post your igorance for all to see!

Hi Seeking, The old republican party of the past has become the GOP cult of the present. If they don't change they will fade even more.

Well with that said, let's see what an enlightening day of sharing wisdom, intellect, and utter relevant contributions you have made today SS.

• TrustVerify - you really need to get a life because you are past delusional and into insane.
• Gary K - You're an idiot - plain and simple!
• Gary K - seeking sanity in the Republican party but, you're right - total waste of money and time since you and others like you prove daily there is NONE to be found!
• Anilof - nice try but we all know what lunatics the Tea Partiers are! They don't like anyone who isn't just like them - pale, male and stale.

Kannin - you have no arguments to address. Your posting is ridiculous and you have nothing to back it up so yes, I'm attacking your ignorance and stupidity.
SickOf

• - as usual, your sick rantings have no merit.
• Talk to the Hand - don't have a clue, do you? So, you just write nonsense and don't realize how utterly idiotic you appear!
• Fubarak - the NRA hasn't advocated for safety since the gun manufactureres took control of the organization. They advocte fear and stupidity.
• Common Man - you truly are common and exceptionally dumb.
• Fubarak - only in your small demeted mind!

BitT73 - if your father hunts with the guns you are describing he is not a hunter and any true sportsman would refuse to "hunt" with him! And, idiot, no one is "Against guns" we ar …
Q22 - the first time you made your post you looked stupid. Posting again doesn't change that. You still look stupid!
SabotandHeat - how many times do you plan to post your stupidity? We already know you're looking for the boogeyman under your bed at night and are dumb enough to believe what you Chris Never a Rhodes Scholar - no one EVER expects intelligent conversation from you.
Lambo123 - no the joke here is you. The teleprompter stupdity again? You truly are an idiot. EVERY President in modern time - including Regan - has used a teleprompter.
blearyeyed - it's totally useless to try to reason with the ignorance showed here by Michael-595198 and others.
Zathrose - nah, your ignorance is definitely NOT due to the liberal influence. It's all the far right and your dumbing down really took, didn't it? Home schooled I'm guessing????
Zathrose - again, your ignorance is clearly a result of conservative "education" - oxymoron if I ever heard one. Your ignorance is your problem - don't make it ours!

And once again since you cannot comprehend what you read, I said backdrop. You said:

If you've ever seen photos of pro-choice rallys you would see that most have children there.

BTW, would you please put me on ignore so that I don't have to read your worthless enlightening opinion on mine? Thanks.

Mickey you keep dancing around with those 'beliefs' and your new 'strawman' shiny. enjoy your circular reasoning im sure it will always keep you on the 'right' side of history.

Again, too much you assume, ObiWan.

Assume or draw conclusions. kinda well like you.

Talk to the Hand - oh dear little boy - you can actually put me on Ignore and that will solve your problem. I realize that is beyond your comprehension but try to figure out how it works.

Oh, I totally comprehended what your wrote. I merely pointed out that children actually are PART of pro-choice rallys - too bad you don't comprehend!

Strange that you are so fixated on me.

[Mickey you keep dancing around with those 'beliefs' and your new 'strawman' shiny]

Well, that's what it is, isn't it? You manage, on any given day, to hit upon all the Fox "news" talking points and straw-man ideological and emotional topics.

caesar, you can paint it tittie-pink and glue nipples all over it, it's not gonna change the fact that its a Fox "news" talking point, and you know it...at least you should...you're one of "dem dere big brained-job creators", right?

You ooze talking points, my friend.

[Strange that you are so fixated on me.]

TTTH knows a hottie when he sees one, right 'hand?

...get it...RIGHT HAND...

Talk to the Hand - I love your compilation of SeekingSanity's childish insults and ignorant rants.

Thanks Kannin. And she has the audacity to call others trolls when all she does is troll to look for an opportunity to demean as shown. I don't believe I have ever seen her start a thread or thought. Just waits for an opportunity to call someone idiot, moron, uneducated and blah blah blah.

If she weren't just on articles on FR (with FR on the top of the page) like nbc's US Politics and the like (still FR threads) Sally or Tyler would have banned by now. Those two don't like the breaking of the COH and especially calling people idiots and the like.

You raise an interesting issue Talk to the Hand. On the the one hand, having her suspended, would mean that we would no longer have the mild irritation of her puerile nonsense. On the other, potential liberals read her posts and ask themselves: Is this really the group I want people to associate me with?

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Citation Please !

Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 97th Cong., 2d Sess., The Right to Keep and Bear Arms, 83-109 (1982) concludes that:

“The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution Guarantees an Individual Right To Keep and Bear Arms”

If any of you dispute this fact, read on. The same report goes on to explain:

The right to keep and bear arms was not created by the Second Amendment; rather, this basic individual right, developed in England before this continent was colonized, pre-dated the constitution and was part of the common law heritage of the thirteen original colonies.

Sir William Blackstone, an authoritative source of the common law for colonists and, therefore, a dominant influence on the drafters of the original Constitution and its Bill of Rights, set forth in his Commentaries the absolute rights of individuals as: personal security, personal liberty, and possession of private property, I Blackstone Commentaries 129, these absolute rights being protected by the individual's right to have and use arms for self-preservation and defense. As Blackstone observed, individual citizens were therefore entitled to exercise their "natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression." Id. at 144.[1] Clearly evident in this statement is Blackstone's recognition that the exercise of an individual's absolute rights could be imperiled by a standing army as well as by private individuals, a view supported by his observation that "Nothing ... ought to be more guarded against in a free state than making the military power ... a body too distinct from the people." Id. at 414. To prevent such an occurrence, Blackstone not only believed in the individual's right to have and use arms, but further believed that for its defense a nation should rely not on a standing army, but the citizen soldier. Plainly, for such a concept to be a reality, it was necessary that all able-bodied males possess and be capable of using arms.

Blackstone was not alone in his view that the common law recognized the individual's right to possess arms: in his Pleas of the (p.84)Crown, Hawkins noted that "every private person seems to be authorized by the Law to arm himself for [various] purposes." 1 William Hawkins, Pleas of the Crown, ch. 28, Section 14, p. 171 (7th ed. 1795). In agreement with Blackstone was Sir Edward Coke who wrote that "the laws permit the taking up of arms against armed persons," 2 E. Coke Institutes of the Laws of England, 574 (Johnson & Warner, ed. 1812).

It was within this legal tradition of the individual's right to have and use arms for his own defense and self-preservation as well as to enable him to contribute to the common defense, that the spark which ignited the American Revolution was struck. The British, by attempting to seize large stores of powder and shot, sought to deny the Massachusetts colonists the ability to protect their absolute rights. The colonists retaliated by exercising their common law right to keep and bear arms, using the very arms which the British wished to render ineffective.[2] It is beyond question that prior to the Second amendment the common law recognized a fundamental individual right to keep and bear arms, subject only to a certain limited police power to regulate the bearing of arms so as not to terrify the good people of the land. 4 Blackstone Commentaries 149.

Dennis - the Number of rounds just purchased by the DHS is 1,600,000,000! That's five bullets for every man, woman, and child in the country.

This is no longer a 2nd amendment issue. It is a constitutional issue.Our children are getting killed under the care of the state.This does not "insure domestic tranquility or promote the general Welfare" of "The People" As noted in line 1 of the US constituion.

DHS has 221,000 men and women who are on the front lines every day protecting citizens. There are over 200,000,000 guns in private hands. At just one bullet per gun that makes in the neighborhood of 100 rounds that could be aimed at each armed member of the DHS. Of course this number is much larger as many gun owners have more than just one bullet. The more likely number is 1000 rounds aimed at each of these under gunned poor folks.

Now Kannin is quoting the work of James J. Featherstone, Esquire, General Counsel, National Rifle Association of America. http://www.guncite.com/journals/senrpt/fgd-guar.html It's merely the position of the NRA, not anything with credibility beyond that and not at all something that has the standing of stare decicis.

No one is trying to take away anyone rights. I myself own two hand guns and have a concealed gun license, and I support the Second Amendment. However, I don’t support the NRA because all they are trying to do is gin up their base with fear. So what if every proposal made by the President became law. It would not affect my rights.

It's sad that the children and teachers from Sandy Hook like thousands of others have every year have been denied, Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, because we allow guns into the hands of people that should not have them.

Come on people, show some common sense and stop being so Insecure in your man hood.

This is no longer a 2nd amendment issue. It is a constitutional issue.Our children are getting killed under the care of the state.

Oh brother, then just go back to wiping your butt with your hand and other regressive neanderthal living. Your paranoid de-evolution is quite amusing to witness. Guns over people, paranoids with guns wet dreaming over a civil war aginst the'gubmint' and the commies in their midst if the g-men in the black helicopters dont show...(chukle). What a country

America is laughing at you.

Pass the popcorn

Who's banning calibers greater than .177 and all rifled barrels?

I realize you live in a world where professional wrestling is real and the lunar landings were fake, but the rest of us would like some confirmation of that.

You misunderstand, John. My point is that once you start banning firearms characteristics on an arbitrary basis, and claiming there is no infringement on 2nd amendment rights, you open up the door to arbitrary restrictions of any type.

Even a set of restrictions that amount to total disarmament of the people.

So you admit you're just spreading lies...that's a start.

Meanwhile, you can't get a machine gun without jumping through lots of hoops...that's a restriction of your Second Amendment rights.

You can't get an RPG...that's a restriction of your Second Amendment rights.

You can't get a tank with live barrel...that's a restriction of your Second Amendment rights.

Come to think of it you can't get an antitank rocket either...that's a restriction of your Second Amendment rights.

So what you're doing there is called "argument of the beard", a logical fallacy. I have 5 o'clock shadow at the end of the day. 5 o'clock shadow is caused by whiskers. If I have whiskers then being poorly shaven must be the same thing as having a beard.

We have a long history of reasonable restrictions on Second Amendment rights. That's fact. It hasn't prevented the American people from holding nearly as many guns (privately) as their are citizens.

John B . . .

I realize you live in a world where professional wrestling is real and the lunar landings were fake, but the rest of us would like some confirmation of that.

That made my afternoon!

'We are bigger than Jesus'

-NRA

Why?

Since the main purpose of the Second Amendment is so the people have a final check on the power of government, that purpose is satisfied when the people are armed as well as the government.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

I've thoroughly perused the above but can't seem to find where it says that. In any case I have 3 words that prove otherwise -- John Brown's Rebellion.

Tench Coxe, "Remarks On The First Part Of The Amendments To The Federal Constitution," 1789: "As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."

Congratulations, you found a quote from one little-known attendee to the Continental Congress who said something that appears to back up your assertion.

Where does it say that in the Amendment?

It's worth noting that Coxe was arrested for his Royalist sympathies during the Revolutionary War and seen by many as a Tory throughout his life.

You're admitting the rights expressed in the First Amendment are parallel in nature to those in the Second Amendment. You admit that your rights under the First Amendment are subject to reasonable regulation, therefore by extension your Second Amendment rights must ALSO be subject to reasonable regulation.

Again John, whereas your rights to free assembly, your voice, a printing press, and firearms are absolute and guaranteed by the Constitution; your behavior in using those tools may be regulated by law.

Your right to ANY WEAPON YOU CHOOSE AT ANY TIME IN ANY PLACE is also regulated by law.

If you think I'm wrong try to find someone to supply you with RPGs or a surface to air missile. I'll watch for your real name to be revealed on the news.

I just joined the NRA two days ago---that was $25.00 well spent. We need a group to stand up against Obama and his new "dictatorship."

80 year old woman - too bad you wasted your money on such a worthless group that really doesn't care about anything but selling guns so the manufacturers who run the NRA can continue to make money!