Fisty, I know this just kills (pardon the pun) you that the NRA might be mainstream and you way out there on the far left but get used to it the silently majority has finally awoken.

Feisty.....I find it odd that you consider hiring more police a good thing, but using them to protect our children is mainstream crazy.

Dang, Fisty couldn't blame Bush for that one so you had to find another repub huh?

Fisted - Not enough wine in the world to swallow that pill hu? Instead of the liberal entertainment industry, what other liberal institution would you like them to compare it too?

We are a gun loving nation. Time to come to terms with it.

Fisted - "You can thank Ronnie Raygun for the defunding of mental health treatment, which in turn, let them back out of the streets."

So you want to have people with mental issues locked up? Very liberal of you.

Feisty: The NRA had about 4 million members two months ago (of which I am a PROUD member!!). But just in the last 30 days, since the Newton incident, over 250,000 MORE people joined the NRA. That's what happens when the country realizes we have a president destined and dedicated to strip away as much of the Constitution as possible.

Kinda throws out your argument "they won't last long" doesn't it?

Also, just so you are aware there are an estimated 60 million gun owners who own, on average, own 4.5 guns each (about 300 million guns in the U.S.).

Yes, we are a "gun loving" nation...........

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL - "Funniest thing I've read all day! The minority trying to dictate to the majority! "

Us independents are the ones that sway elections. With out us Obama wouldn't have stood a chance. You extremists on both sides are a dying breed.

Gee Feisty, if entertainment industry had come out on top you wouldn't be WHINING about comparing them with each other, would you?

That's call HYPOCRITE by most people. "Progressiveness" by people like you.

• Choosing between the NRA and the entertainment industry is like asking if you wold rather be hit in the head with a baseball bat or a golf club. They both stink!!

pro.....

and the stats show it. we are the most violent " civilized "nation in the world. the trouble is that you gun nuts are proud of that.

Fisted - "Independent = a coward who enjoys straddling fences for the thrill of the splinters!"

Independent=A person who can pick the best of all parties and see through the rhetoric. One who uses logic and reason vs. emotion.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL = Extremist, loyalist, blind.

Good day to you, try not to burp up Chablis all over your blue shirt.

Feisty, how do you not see the hypocricy and outright treasoness attitude of hollywood. They will happily support laws that limit the freedom of average law abiding citizens and decry the second amendment as outdated or misunderstood. Then when any dares to suggest that maybe the constant stream of violent images and the glorification of criminals and bloodlust comming from them and suddenly people are just a bunch of unpatriotic lunes who are trying to kill the first amendment.

The fact is neither of these amendments can survive unless people are willing to step up and take personal responsibility. Gun owners by and large are responsible. Most of us have taken safety training and keep our weapons locked up. I doubt you could say the same thing about hollywood.

morqs..Fisty and the liberal left think that independents are all unregistered democrats... i get laughed at too when i say im a registered Indie.

clwyd-2621393 - How do you feel about the Entertainment industry nibbling away at your internet freedoms?

Morgs74 - you are NO Independent - as your posts prove over and over again. Even reading that from you is beyond laughable.

Gary 420 - could not agree with you more. It does take all three and we have to work to make all three are done. There is no quick, easy answer to stopping the violence but it is time we work to put together a sane, comprehensive program that addresses the issues. We can't wait for the death of another 20 children to decide to act!

I'm actually surprised that so many people see the entertainment industry in a positive way.

What a sad comment on the intelligence of our American people!

clwyd, I was think the same thing on this last election day.

I'm actually surprised that so many people see the entertainment industry in a positive way.

Good Point Max

Four million people belong to the NRA. Out of 300 million total population in the country. Just under one-and-a-half percent. And that makes us a gun loving country?

You're telling me the NRA is more popular than the entertainment industry? You mean people would rather watch Wayne LaPierre than Julia Roberts?

Wow!

CA - These imbeciles can laugh all day, I get the same from the right. When I use logic and reason to defend gay rights or pro-choice they are my best friends.

It just shows how far people will go to tow the party line. Disturbing.

I have more than enough freedoms as I've traveled all over the world and know how lucky we are and that the only thing we have to fear is the fear that the NRA and people like you keep trying to plant about our country!

SeekingSanity - If I am not an independent, you are no lady. Women have much more depth and have far more thought out comments than any of your posts. Calling people idiots 24x7 is not very becoming.

Talk to me about the death penalty, the economy, and liberties and I am as right as they come.

Talk to me about immigration, abortion, gay rights and I am as about as left as they come.

But you sir are as about close minded as they come, not including the coven which recently had been hacked and called out.

Murders and rapes happen everyday in prisons everywhere. There are no guns in prison. And, yet, prisons are the most dangerous place in the world to be.

So, I keep returning to the same question. Why does Obama want a country full of victims / highly potential victims? We are all at such risk without a means to protect ourselves.

Why, Obama? I do not understand. Why are you chasing law-abiding citizens with more laws, instead of doing the hard work and going after criminals with guns and the violently mentally ill? Those are where the violence originates. The rest of us just want to protect ourselves. It is frightening when you ignore the real problems and spend your energy going after law-abiding citizens, instead.

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself!" FDR!

And the guns nuts of the NRA! All 4.2 million of them. Come on people there are 345,000,000 of us who aren't!

We also have to have stricter mental health laws. In the good old days, we locked these people up. I am sure some should have not been locked up, but in the name of patient rights, there are a lot of crazy people walking the streets.

Who cut these people lose? You do realize it was Ronald Wilson Reagan! Sheesh! There is no more debating conservatives. Might as well have a discussion with a rock!

And this poster also blames the entertainment industry when gun culture is certainly a part of that. Funny they scream about Tarantino but not a word about Willis, Stallone, even that bonehead Chuck Norris. And Ted Nugent is an "entertainer"! Did you realize that? And even Rush Limbaugh! Despite the fact some view him as akin to God he admits he is but a mere "entertainer".

Again, I still haven't seen any logic from the Right on the gun issue. Nor do I expect that to see any such thing. To them logic doesn't exist. Nor does reality. It isn't the Left that is irrationally buying up all of these weapons while talk of armed rebellion permeates the Far Right. We have heard all of the talk, seen the insinuations. The one thing that gives me a small measure of comfort is that these are the biggest blowhards around and they run their mouths to no end. But if just one of them starts shooting, all bets are off...

WheresCongress

For the 50th time its called gun CONTROL you will still be able to own a gun to protect yourself. You just wont be able to if you are not mentally fit and you wont be able to shoot 100 rounds in 90 seconds.

clwyd-2621393 - So again, you have no issues with people nibbling away at your internet freedoms? Or just the freedoms you don't seem to enjoy?

I get the same from the right. When I use logic and reason to defend gay rights or pro-choice they are my best friends.

I agree. Im pro choice and dont see why gays cant have the same 'rights' as the rest of us. but yeah laugh away.

Well, it was predictable that this wasn't going to sit well with the Libbies here.

41% Good

34% Bad

25% (Liberals) Don't know what NRA Stands for

I am not surprised by this survey. People have gotten a major misconception of the NRA. They are portraid as nice guys and have been largely low key. Now that they are becoming more vocal the truth of who they really represent will change that perception. The entertainment industry has a low rating and has had for some time. The garbage they put out makes one want to watch reruns of Food Network shows rather than tune to ABC, CBS or NBC to see who's sleeping with whom or whose underwear gets exposed (tee hee hee) this week or the next. Watching the Beaver just isn't what it used to be.

ProBusiness, yes, the membership in the NRA has increased over the last month. The membership in Mayors Against Guns increased by 400,000. Just saying...

Interesting they chose to compare the NRA against the liberal entertainment industry,

Well, they could have chosen the GOP, or even the Tea Party, both of which would have lost. Now the really tough question would have been which do you love more, God or your Gun, and yes, you have to choose between one. The indecision would have driven the pollsters to drink cyanide in mass quantities.

@Krestov, Really? thats your argument, that because it's called gun control it does not effect our rights?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Am I not infringed when the goverment gets to decided if I can own a gun, what kind of weapons I'm allowed to own, what kind and how many bullets it shoots, and may at anytime, turn me into an enemy of the state by passing a law that makes a gun I purchased legaly suddenly illega.

I suppose you also think that if the goverment suddenly decides what you can say, where you can say it, who you can say it to and how loudly or by what medium you are allowed to say it, they have not stepped on your first amendment rights?

How is that for some sound logic?

That's not a surprise. The NRA is now an atrocious organization run by idiot clowns.

...and then there's the entertainment industry! Talk about one ups-manship.

Gun violence could be vastly reduced by taking two actions :

1. More severe prison terms for violent criminals. Individual murders are disproportionately committed by violent felons who have been paroled or released on probation. For example in the recent case in New York where an individual set his home on fire in order to lure firefighters into the vicinity so he could murder them with his illegally obtained guns, he was a paroled murderer. He had murdered his grandmother with a hammer but was released from prison after only serving 17 years.

2. Institutionalizing the dangerously psychotic. Most mass murderers have been psychotic and the warning signs have been obvious for months or years, e. g. , consider the murderers in Arizona , Colorado theater and in Connecete. In the past 40 years society has undergone a movement to deinstitutionalize the dangerously psychotic. This has resulted in them being on the street and the results are obvious. Steps should be taken to identify and retain these individuals in custody before they commit these heinous acts.

The implementation of these two actions would do far more than gun control to bring about a significant drop in the number of murders occurring in the country today.

Rather than comparing to the Entertainment Industry, I would like to have seen a comparison to the Press.

Pretty sure NBC doesn't want to report those numbers.

Then again, Main Stream Media and the Entertainment Industry are pretty much the same thing.

dem&glad - I agree, times are a changin'. Some of the most liberal writers like Orwell have predicted many things will happen when the government over reaches. Have you read any positive predictions when it comes to limiting freedoms? I challenge you to find some. It is sad that the government is always over reaching whether it conforms to your ideals or not. Why we let this happen no matter what political affliction is mind boggling. And I meant affliction. People are becoming puppets and when you challenge them you become a racist, gun nut, hippie, abortionist. We are going down a sad, sad road with things like NDAA and with congress being bought out and proposing laws like SOPA shows you they are not in it for the people.

@ Feisty: It's true, nobody forces me to go see a movie. And nobody is forcing you to buy a gun. By that same logic, now one should be allowed to tell you what movie you can and cannot see, and nobody, as guaranteed by the bill of rights, has the ability to tell me whether or not I can own a gun or what kind of gun I can own.

Don't you hate how that logic works both ways?

@ # 1.47 , that's Connecticut. Mea culpa.

It's a stupid comparison. The "entertainment industry" isn't a single entity, or even a singular genre, so the comparison is ridiculous right out of the gate. Further, what apparent relevance is there to this comparison?

[i get laughed at too when i say im a registered Indie.]

That's because nothing could be further from the truth...

Good morning, caesar...looks like you've been a busy little beave today. Boss out of the office?

;)

I really don't see what one has to do with the other. Why are they comparing the NRA to Hollywood? If this is some subtle jab saying that it is not the ease with which we buy guns in this country, but the 'violent video games' that is causing the issue, then this is my question. To all of you quoting the second half of the second amendment ad nauseum, why are you willing to throw away the first amendment and go after movies and video games? You all state that gun owners should be responsible and prevent their guns from getting into the wrong hands....well then, video game players should be responsible and prevent these games from getting into the wrong hands. If you begin restricting video games, this is a slippery slope that will lead to the end of all free speech (see what I did there?).

Apparently, what some liberals totally FAIL to realize is there are millions of 2nd amendment supporters and gun owners who are NOT members of the NRA ! That is something they can't handle because their entire, WEAK argument is predicated upon presenting the NRA as an evil organization and they desire to link ALL gun owners to this organization !!

This causes some of them great stress and leads to complaints about the NRA running their mouth .... when they have run their mouths rather loudly ! LOL !! Of course, they come from cities like Chicago where gun laws are among the toughest, yet "gun crimes" are the highest !

Interesting they chose to compare the NRA against the liberal entertainment industry, who has long been despised by the right.

The entertainment industry. The folk who glorify guns, sex and violence.

Then these same (protected by armed bodyguards) people cannot grasp why this is such a violent nation.

Well, Hollywood, you're the ones that tell us repeatedly that violence is the answer!

I think this is the stupidest poll ever conducted . . . "entertainment industry"??? what does that mean/include?? people who hate opera? people who love football but hate baseball?? people who don't go to Broadway plays but like to go to the movies? people who thought London should not have held the last Olympics??

meaningless nonsense.

The polls on this topic that are meaningful are the ones showing what parts of gun safety legislation certain parts of the public will support. . . . . also the poll from a few weeks ago (that was hilarious!) showing that bedbugs and cockroaches were more popular than Congress!

Its called gun CONTROL not stripping anyone's rights to own a weapon.

Why should I believe you, when I have already heard the US Attorney's position?

Maybe you should do a bit of research.

Like this:

Straight from the Mouth of a U.S. Government Attorney

The U.S. government argues in federal court (U.S. v. Emerson information page) that there is absolutely no right of an individual to own firearms!

Judge Garwood: "You are saying that the Second Amendment is consistent with a position that you can take guns away from the public? You can restrict ownership of rifles, pistols and shotguns from all people? Is that the position of the United States?"

Meteja (attorney for the government): "Yes"

Garwood: "Is it the position of the United States that persons who are not in the National Guard are afforded no protections under the Second Amendment?"

Meteja: "Exactly."

Meteja then said that even membership in the National Guard isn't enough to protect the private ownership of a firearm. It wouldn't protect the guns owned at the home of someone in the National Guard.

Garwood: "Membership in the National Guard isn't enough? What else is needed?"

Meteja: "The weapon in question must be used IN the National Guard."
(Excerpt of oral arguments in U.S. v. Emerson, 5th Circuit Court of Appeals, June 13, 2000)

#1 -

How does it feel to know that not one thing Obama did yesterday will prevent more violence?

All show, no go.

Agree on the stupidity of the article, me thinks Mark needs something bettr to do than to compare 2 completely different inudtsries against each other, C'mon CArl Mark Murray, youre better than this.

I guess NBC needed its token 'equailizer' story

Gotta love the Gun freaks, they think that an upside down rating on the NRA is somehow the decider of the issue. lol

Wonder how long before one of these knuckledragging survivalist morons makes good on their civil war threats and start killing people becauser of their anger and paranoia. Just a matter of time

Because we all know that an AR15 is a good defense against a Cruise Missle (chuckle), The whole defend ourselves against or government is the funniest nonsensical lame argument of all.

That's because nothing could be further from the truth...

Good morning, caesar...looks like you've been a busy little beave today. Boss out of the office?

I am the boss remember. Im not an independent though? Do tell Mickey. Please, I want to be entertained. Are you going to say if its not Ho Chi Minh its not independent? Nothing short of predictable are ya? well my friend Touche' .

How is the Kool aid today btw. carry on my proletariat friend. :)

@Steven, then the AG is not a patriot. If he wants my guns he can come get them. I'm not looking to pick a fight but I want back down from one either. I still value my freedom. Apparently Feisty and her ilk find freedom to be highly overrated.

Steven B - Feinstein was the same way. She made a run at grabbing all gun then being the typical hypocrite goes out and gets her permit to carry.

How does it feel to know that not one thing Obama did yesterday will prevent more violence?

All show, no go.

Steven, how does it feel to value Guns Over People? How does it feel to advocate doing NOTHING? How does it feel to piss on the graves of those dead kids? Shame on you and your ilk. I wish you had to stand in front of those kids' parents and theri surviving children and tell them that it is more important for you to have an AR15 then to lift one f-ing finger to do something.

Your a pig, Steven, a souless selfish pig.

2-Lane Gypsy - "Because we all know that an AR15 is a good defense against a Cruise Missle (chuckle)"

Out of all the soldiers that I have talked to there isn't a single one of them that would use military force against its own people. They would side with the people.

Try harder.

Also"How does it feel to piss on the graves of those dead kids?" The civility is great with this one.

Freedom fighters know sacrifice, you on the other hand know nothing but hatred.

Because we all know that an AR15 is a good defense against a Cruise Missle (chuckle),

what is a good defense against a cruise missile?

FOR SOME REASON MY QUESTION KEEPS GETTING MOVED;

the U.N. treaty Hillary signed defines assault weapon as any semi-automatic handgun rifle and shotgun; is this the definition that the administration is going to use !

@Steven, then the AG is not a patriot. If he wants my guns he can come get them. I'm not looking to pick a fight but I want back down from one either. I still value my freedom. Apparently Feisty and her ilk find freedom to be highly overrated.

Got news for you RHINO, there wont be anyone 'coming to get your gun'. Its hilarious wathcing and listening to you guys get some kind of fantasized bravado over a non-existent rogue 'gubmint' gun snatchers in black helicopters.. Do you have any idea how DUMB and PARANOID you sound? (chuckle)

Not one proposal talks about taking anyones guns away, but here comes that fantasy slippery slope argument. Problem is, no one is buying it anymore excpet the NRA gestapo regime

Gwaddamn! What a stupid poll. The question could only be relevant to gun and porn freaks. It's as logical as asking someone if they would prefer giving up their guns to the favor of kissing the ass of some movie star. I'll bet a lot of the freaks had to think HARD before giving an answer. Waaaaaa,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.

Freedom fighters know sacrifice, you on the other hand know nothing but hatred.

Di you get that one from 'Soldier of Fortune' magazine, our the comic book Sgt Fury? (lol)

I stick to my premise, you value Guns over Peope. Dumb quotes and some apparent inside knowledge that the army would follow your lead in a cvil war is beyond laughable. Get a life, Morgs.

Shouldnt you be preparing for those black helicopters or killing a commie or something?

There are 3 components to the Newtown tradgedy and liberals only want to address the NRA. I believe we need common sense gun controls on automatic weapons and high capacity magazines. I get that.

AT THE SAME TIME, we need to take a very hard look at the violent movies, tv shows, video games and music that poisons young people from the time they are toddlers. Liberals hate this.

We also have to have stricter mental health laws. In the good old days, we locked these people up. I am sure some should have not been locked up, but in the name of patient rights, there are a lot of crazy people walking the streets.

Common sense gun laws, restrictions on violence in media, and locking up loons. You have to do all 3.

Garry, the second does not happen without the third. If someone is not mentally unstable violent media has little to no affect on them. The only caveat is kids. If kids are not taught that media is usually fake then there can be problems there. If parents promote using stuff like WWE moves on people, there will be problems.

For the majority of society though, violent media is not going to produce violent people. All of the studies that say it does are paid for by groups like the NRA who have something to gain from them. That is not to say that those studies are wrong, they just cherry pick their data and alter the samples so that it seems more common than it is.

We've seen how accurate the new NBC/WSJ polls were during the elections.. ha ha joke They're nothing but Fox lite.

2-Lane Gypsy, Your first question is both asinine and presumptious. You know nothing of how Steven feels, you are merely trying to ascribe your self-declared negative values to him because your logic has gone totally AWOL ... in favor of your emotions. Then you build it up with your nasty imaginations about him urinating on "the graves of those dead kids". !

Good laws should be thought out carefully, and these presentations by Obama have been done through political expediency.

I suggest you go seek therapy. From the illogical tone of your rant, you desperately need it.

@Morgs74#1.65: You don't pay much attention to history do you? Lotta Southerners thought that back in 1861. Happened several times in the 20th century as well. You're obviously delusional. Need to go to bed before you fall into a full blown fit.

2-Lane Gypsy - "you value Guns over Peope." What are you views on abortion? Let me guess, two-faced. Do you put peoples choice to no have a kid over the kids life? Rape, incest, life threatening issues not included of course.

Ask you soilder friends how they would side. Follow orders and use the military against its own or side with their own. Let me know the results.

[I am the boss remember.]

No, I don't...enlighten me. Even if that were to be the case, aren't you just stealing from yourself?

Huh...pity. All that education, and no common sense. You're even wrong on this...LOL.

[Im not an independent though?]

No, you're not.

Mac Forrester - Being the democrat you are, I am guessing you would have lined up with the southerners. Spare me the Repubs are the new Dems. You extremists on each side are the root of the real problems we have. Spout nothing but drivel and add nothing to the debate. Nothing but gridlock because they think they know more than the people who brought you to this country.

Fisty Seeking Forrester, same tools from the same shed.

Tell me Mac, which side were you one when NDAA, Patriot Act, and SOPA bills where introduced? Did you like your freedoms infringed on? Or did it simply not bother you because you have no skin in the game?

Define "entertainment industry" for me. Seems like a pretty wide brush. Movies, there are some great ones. TV, programming generally stinks. Radio, Rush or music? Sports (all sports), theater, monster truck shows etc, etc, etc.

I like being entertained.

The NRA is just a lobby for the gun industry, a lobby that buys politicians and brainwashes its membership with fear mongering, nothing more. Although, from the outside looking in they are entertaining in a sick, twisted sort of way.

Anyone who doesn't love and respect the NRA should be shot.

That'll teach 'em.

I haven't seen the commercial or whatever featuring the President's girls. It doesn't surprise in the least. Do you remember the hateful things they said about Amy Carter, and Chelsea Clinton? Makes me wonder why the Democrats left the Bush girls alone when they were getting drunk and raising hell in college. Augustus, If you think you know so much more than the people we voted for to represent us, why don't you crawl out of your bunker and get your name on a ballot? If you're half as smart as you think, you'd be a big improvement over 3 of the last 4 presidents. For some reason though, I really doubt it.

You Leftist nutjobs can try to demonized the NRA all you want, but it's not NRA members out there murdering each other... it's fatherless, valueless, totally devoid of work ethics, parasitic, deadbeat Obamabots "poppin' caps in each other"..... 500 in Obamaland, Ill last year along... that's 20 Sandy Hooks... but I guess you Liberals only care about white kids....

Morgs: Do you put peoples choice to no have a kid over the kids life?

You want a choice, yet you deny the same right to others.

Morgs74 - your post to me made no sense. Try again.

I've read enough of your posts to know you are no Independent. You can do all the name calling you like - it changes nothing and you still look and sound ridiculous! Try again!

The NRA has NEVER changed their stance on the issues... it is the CRIMINAL that is at fault

No politician can make that same statement........

Barry claims to protect the 2nd while he is tearing it down.........

Be careful lefties...... freedom of speech will be next..... he already has the major medias in his corner... the time will come when he will quiet his opposition under EO.....

Morgs74 makes no sense so don't expect anything, but more right wing extremism and the FOX propaganda!

OMG since the NRA is more popular than the entertainment industry does this mean we're going to be subjected to NRA Awards shows????? How DISGUSTING would THAT be?????

The NRA is not as powerful as they would like us to think they are. In these days of social media, most people are intelligent and rational enough to see through the smoke and fire they breathe.

There are only 4.2 million NRA members last time I looked. They have added a lot of members recently because of the scare tactics the NRA is using on gullible people, but they are also losing members every day because of their fanaticism and unreasonable reactions to reasonable suggestions.

The NRA is a dinosaur in its last death throes and it is breathing fire as it goes down. It only pretends it is protecting the second amendment (which has never been under attack anyway) when it is merely protecting its own golden treasure chest.

aren't you just stealing from yourself?

would it really be stealing?

[Im not an independent though?]

No, you're not.

Good explanation. Stellar, jody arias could use you.

Huh...pity. All that education, and no common sense. You're even wrong on this...LOL.

me? edumacated? hecks no, dum hick here. Member or are you flip floppin?

fielden - How am I denying others a choice? The choice of self protection? The choice of freedom to carry if they wish? The freedom of an over bearing government?

I don't see what choice I am denying anyone by defending the constitution.

Fed Up,

Yes I am, you rwnj can demonize the President all you want, but he isn't proposing anything that has already been in the landscape of American regulations regarding weapons. Assault weapon ban, already happened, background checks, already in place. Forget about the "infringement" BS regarding the second amendment, do you own machine guns, RPG's, shoulder fired missiles? The fully legal "infringement" has been in place. The difference is the closing of the loopholes which easily circumvented gun control laws in the past, such as background checks at "gun shows". Are the polls of even NRA members lying when it shows them in support of the background checks. Legitimate hunters, mostly don't have a problem with assault weapons bans. Nobody is taking your guns away, you still have plenty of firepower to choose from for self defense. The proposal does one thing, remove one of the more dangerous tools from mass murderers. It is also supported by a majority of Americans, same as the President. The NRA is proving who they answer to, not to the members, but the gun lobby. Obama is the 9/11 excuse for the NRA, who if there are not real enemies to be had will make up ones to keep their death industry going. (Al Qaeda attacked us so we'll invade Iraq). An assault weapon is aptly named, it has no sporting use, no self defense use, it is an assault weapon, used to assault people. Who's rights are being trampled, gun enthusiasts who want their toys, or people killed by assault weapons?

SeekingSanity - Again you offered not one thing relevant to the conversation. Bye, ignored.

Feisty, @1.5,

You can thank Ronnie Raygun for the defunding of mental health treatment, which in turn, let them back out of the streets.

Fiesty girl how ya been it's been a LOOOONG time since we last chatted....

I've missed ya.....

I'm sorry girl but I'm going to have to call you on the Reagan claim.....

I dealt with it at length here...

#9.9 and here #17.2.

Definitely something you CANNOT blame on Ronald Reagan.

I love ya girl usually you are spot on, but you missed the mark here.....

I know it's hard not to blame every thing on Ronnie....

;-0)

clwyd-2621393 - How do you feel about the Entertainment industry nibbling away at your internet freedoms?

I will ask again. What do you feel about NDAA or the Patriot Act? Do you enjoy big brother looking into you for your own protection?

Come on man, I know you can offer something to the conversation. You are no SeekingSanity yet, don't go that route.

@2-Lane: you do realize that a good many of the "gun nuts" you take such pleasure in demonizing are either in the military or are veterans of the military right?

Every single soldier I have spoken with, including my friends in special forces have told me that the day our President tells them to use force on our own people is the day they all point their weapons at Washington DC. They have all taken an oath to defend against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Any leader who wants to use military force to bring his own nation to heal has just become a domestic enemy. This is no joke. There are 60 million gun owners in this country in possession of over 300 million weapons. We are not going to just hand them over. The attitude of most Americans is to protect our second amendment rights. That's why every time Obama opens his mouth there is a huge surge in gun sales. If the people were really on the side of you and the rest of the Obama sheep you would see people asking where to hand their guns in, not going out and buying more of them.

Morgs74 - oh, I'll lose sleep over being ignored by the likes of you - NOT! Buh bye!

Rhino40 - you are a blithering idiot! NO ONE has even remotely suggested our armed forces use military action against our own people. Do you not realize how totally deranged you sound???? YOU are the problem - not the President. Assault weapons have been banned in the past.

The reasonable and rational steps the President has recommended are just that - reasonable and rational. YOU are going off the deep end. I truly hope YOU have no guns of any kind in your home as you clearly are not mentally capable of owing a BB gun!

2-Lane - "Because we all know that an AR15 is a good defense against a Cruise Missle (chuckle), The whole defend ourselves against or government is the funniest nonsensical lame argument of all."

@2-lane re post 1.64: Its not about preferring guns over kids, its about our freedom to own weapons that we can use to protect our kids, our families, our property, or even just for fun. What happened in to those kids is aweful but how many kids have died defending your freedom and mine.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

@Morgs74#1.77: Patriot act and NDAA pisses me some. Both need to be repealed. Too much power to local governments, and law enforcement. SOPA bills are really between the entertainment industry and the Tech industry. These are a starting place, and will likely find appropriate levels of fairness for both. I've got skin in most games. Too, I'm really not an extremist. Like "Feisty" and "Seeking Sanity" I'm just smart. Humble like 'em too. Born and raised in Georgia. Beautiful state. Lotta goofy people. Many good people too. Mainest thang "Morgs 74" is; don't get too excited.

@seeking sanity: I like how you try to bolster yourself as the reasonable one by hurling insults like a monkey throwing it's own feces. I am also delighted to inform/traumatize you by telling you that I own over 20 different guns. Everything from a little .22 all the way up to a 300 Win Mag which could easily drop a buffalo at 500 yards. Funny thing though, even though I have owned guns since I was 12 none of them have ever been used to shoot anybody.

Responsible gun owners like myself and the 60 million other Americans who own guns but didn't manage to shoot anybody today are not the problem. Strangely, we are the only ones being affected by these new laws. Tell me how that makes any sense.

Did you know that these scary assault weapons are only used in 3% of violent crimes? Did you know that under this new law an AR-15 would be illegal but a Ruger Ranch Rifle which shoots the exact same bullet and is also a semi-automatic weapon is just fine because it doesn't look like an assault rifle?

These laws are just a slippery slope of taking away our second amendment rights and they will do nothing to stop crime. You say that nobody needs assault rifles, but it does not take a genius to figure out that once they have banned assault rifles the will go after semi-automatic rifles of any kind. Then repeating rifles and eventually all weapons. All in the name of safety. I will quote him again.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

Mac Forrester - You have a lot of contradictions going on in your post 1.98. Patriot Act and NDAA both make you safer according to the government. I am thinking you sway back and forth on freedom restrictions depending on who proposes them. That is an emotional response. We need to focus on the people and not the tools in all of these instances. Limiting internet, listening to cell phone calls, imprisoning Americans w/o due process and now gun control is a government over reach. We and I know you as an American don't believe this is right.

Be well in Georgia, I am wishing for the warm weather you have here in MN.

Rhino40 - The extremists such as Seeking don't understand. They are letting the actions of 10 clearly disturbed individuals over a 15 year period dictate how 300,000,000 people in America run their lives. Is this the precedence we want to set? Do something terrible and we come down on everyone else for it.

Thanks but no thanks.

Morgs74 Asking gun owners to be accountable is not a punishment and it violates none of their rights. It's just asking them to behave like responsible adults instead of considering themselves above the law. And only a little over 30% of those 300,000,000 people in America own guns or even want to own guns. Please keep the NRA cancer to yourselves and don't try to push it off on the rest of us. I'm far from alone in being sick and tired of the NRA bullying, fear-mongering and making policy for our country. Oh, and Feisty Redhead.... keep up the good work.

Keep fighting among yourselves.

Obama passed a whole bunch of nonsensical executive orders and saved the hard stuff for the Senate and House. If the Senate passes anything (which is a slim chance at best), whatever bill that makes it to the House has a 0% chance of passing. Period. Republicans relish that fact and Liberals are still coming to terms with it.

That isn't to say that states won't pass their own laws-- they have. Take NY for example. They passed their own version of an AWB and limitation of magazines to 7 rounds. One problem-- they didn't exclude law enforcement. Ooops! Enjoy that one NYPD! California has had it's own AWB for years now. Highest gun violence rate in the country. Chicago... well, you get the picture.

Anyhow, I just thought I'd also point out the pot/kettle argument of the the Liberals when it comes to choice. They don't want the government to regulate women's health choices. They don't want to regulate marriage choices. Guns? They don't want to take them away, just your choice of which one's you can buy and what you can buy for them!

Personally, I think anyone should be able to marry whoever they want. People should be able to do whatever they want to their own bodies. Finally, people should be able to purchase any civilian firearm they want as long as they are sane, law-abiding and safe. Of course, if all kinds of government regulations are what you're after, I'm sure there's more to come.

Hmmmmm.......

NRA wants protection for our schools...... so does Obama

NRA wants to train people in proper gun safety...... so does Obama

NRA wants to keep MENTALLY DERANGED people from owning guns....... so does Obama

NRA wants to stop the flow of liberty out of the hands of the individual....... so does Oba...... wait a minute......... Healthcare MANDATE, new taxes on EVERYONE, more REGULATION on our lives, INFRINGE on the 2nd......

This is where we must part company.... ANYTHING that encroaches on liberty & freedom is NOT what the NRA stands for...... can't speak for Obama, but his record sure does.........

Always concerned me that someone from Hawaii would WILLINGLY move to Chicago...........

I'll give all of you gun grabbers something else to laugh about. There isn't going to be a ban on black semi-auto rifles (i.e. assault weapons for you gun grabbers). It won't make it through Congress. Now that really is hilarious!

Two words for you gun grabbers - ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ (most gun owners would agree)

First, I don't buy any poll that says the NRA is 'popular' because that defies reality. How exactly were the questions worded and what is meant by 'approval'? There are only 4 million NRA members, while many of the rest of us (more than 100 million non-members) consider that group to be nothing more than a shill for the arms industry at best.

That the President's daughters were used as examples in the new NRA ad is completely ludicrous. Next they'll be complaining that 'you don't have an armed personal security guard, so why should the president be protectd by the Secret Service?'!!! Really?? Such 'logic' illustrates clearly how downright brainless these people are.

Second, popularity is grossly over-rated here in reality-TV land. Opinions are nice...everyone has one... but votes are what counts, not opinions. We voted for a president who has a rational mindset and who is not beholden in any way to the gun lobby. Let's set aside our national penchant for insanity (is it the drugs or the brainwashing?) and do something positive for this culture, before we all shoot each other.

This is where we must part company.... ANYTHING that encroaches on liberty & freedom is NOT what the NRA stands for...... can't speak for Obama, but his record sure does.........

Freedom??? Steve, wear your kevlar to the movies and the mall, OK? Arm your elementary school kids. Be as 'free' as you want, but let me live my version of freedom too. That's all I'm asking for.

Clwyd:

41% of the American people think you're a Communist sympathizer; 25% think you should be imprisoned for daydreaming about little girls, 34% of America's Hollywood celebrities want you to stop going to movies and watching TV; you're giving them a bad name.

kaybeetoys:

Vladimir Lenin called, he said he's proud of you.

Finally, people should be able to purchase any civilian firearm they want as long as they are sane, law-abiding and safe.

Sane? Are you aware of the level of mental illness, alcoholism and depression in this country? Are you aware of the suicide rate? We are not a mentally healthy nation and we don't have access to mental health care. So we should go ahead and arm everyone anyway?

Law-abiding? What percentage of the shooters in these mass shootings have criminal records? I believe the number is zero. Have an arsenal, but don't pretend you can predict human behavior or future circumstances. That gun you own and love might be the death of you. Ask Nancy Lanza for details.

Safe? sheesh... That's an oxymoron if ever I've heard one...a safe gun.

Hearing voices again, Arkius?

Wow, I can't believe that people are still feeding the top troll.

Methinks it is time to mention that faux noise is part of the entertainment industry also. They gave up the right to call themselves a news organization when they sued for the ability to LIE on national television.

The Media Can Legally Lie

Hi kaybee (clwdy, Silverton, miklkit etc), I just recently met Arkius (and quickly said goodbye) - definately lowbrow with mental deficiencies.

Kaybee:

When are you going to improve your critical thinking skills to a level higher then an eighth graders?

People who are sane, law abiding and safe do not fit any of the descriptions that you mentioned, so what's your point? Who are you talking to?

You're just babbling incoherently like some Communist lunatic standing on a soap-box, determined to get in the face of everyone you come in contact with.

You've become a pathetic shill for every piece of absurd, Obama non-sense that he dumps in the public forum. In fact, you're so politically anal retentive that you can't take a joke.

Kaybee, you have become the joke. The voices you don't hear, are the readers laughing at you.

You need to get a life.

G-Dog:

Don't flatter yourself. I can train a chimp to think just like you.

Here's a banana Cheetah, now be a good little monkey and go back in your cage and throw your feces at your Socialist friends.

@kaybeetoys

Have an arsenal, but don't pretend you can predict human behavior or future circumstances.

That is a two way street. You gun grabbers can't make predictions either that just because someone owns guns they will turn into a criminal/some shooting spree nut.

Arikus,

You are a mental case!

I received this text message from my friend in Eau Clair, Wisconsin, majoring in Law:

"The NRA of today, isn't the same NRA your parents knew of. The NRA wasn't even halfway as politically extreme as they are, now. Back in the 70's and 80's they were the biggest proponents for gun safety. Now, that message has been drowned out in their appeal for everyone to "pack heat," everywhere, as if for its own sake and with their obsession on the 2nd Amendment as if that one, is the only one that matters in all the law books on earth. They brag how many have recently joined them in their political causes, but what they're not telling you is that their recent jump in membership happened because they offered between 60 to 75 percent off to join them. For example, instead of charging $100 a year, they may now charge a $25 entry fee for the newbies. Now that you've become a member, "on the cheap," they lure you into purchasing more and more services with expensive weapon adverts aplenty, and wrap yourself constantly around the stars and bars, and endless appeals to armed patriotism because they want you to believe you are being ruled by, "the very worst most evilest tyrants in the federal government right now in the entire history of the universe and heres my irrefutable proof," (as one member claims in his blog). I suspect that for every five that now buys into their hard-line messages, one person quietly leaves the NRA because they're disgusted as to what they've become: a shill for the militant right, paranoid conspiracy theorists, and firearms manufacturers. Plus, during and after the G.W. Bush Administration, the NRA began a profitable marketing history of artificially inflating their numbers. http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/01/nra-membership-numbers http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/nra-membership-discounts_n_2481607.html "

@ rradiko

The NRA has always charged $25 - $30 (looks like they are currently charging $35/year) for a 1 year membership for as long as I've seen their ads. I don't know where you're getting the $100/year figure from because that isn't correct.

You can buy a 5 year membership for $125.

KB,

Freedom??? Steve, wear your kevlar to the movies and the mall, OK? Arm your elementary school kids. Be as 'free' as you want, but let me live my version of freedom too. That's all I'm asking for.

As far as I am concerned, let me live mine also. Therefore I agree with you KB, at least on this point.

WE ALL get in trouble when one section tries to foist their visions of America onto others....

Both sides are guilty of it.....

Anyone can be as liberal as they want, just don't force me to pay for it,

Anyone can be as anti choice as they want, just don't force me to choose,

Anyone can be anything they want to be, do anything they want to do, just DON'T force me to go along if I do not want to......

I have the right to be free, just the same as you do...

NBC/WSJ Poll: NRA is more popular than Robert Blake, I would hope so !!!

The entertainment industry had their share of nuts just like the NRA !!!

Clwyd:

You are a true Socialist. You and Kaybee, and Dog-Scheisse think you have all the answers; no one else's POV has any merit.

Please, tell the readers why we should abandon our beliefs, and put our faith in anything the three of you have to say?

You have yet to show that you have a better argument then anyone else. All you do is spout fluff and non-sense. Kaybee, just shouts incoherent, irrelevant trash, and G-Dog is nothing more then then a bait-and-switch artist; none of you can argue anything of substance.

I'd be happy to discuss the subject with you, but personally, I just don't think you have the intellectual capacity to keep up. To me, you're a dim wit. Sorry, but that's all you've shown me, thus far.

NRA = National Retards Association

NRA = Nutjob Rightie As*holes

Until today Christie always represented an over sized big mouth lower life form, but to hear him tell the NRA their ad. was "Reprehensible" and that it only "Demonizes the NRA" makes him move up to the level of over sized big mouth, but liveable with! The NRA is scum!

Arkirus,

You may be right! I have traveled the world and the countries with the highest standard of living and health care are the socialist countries. They also have safer streets and homes and don't fear their government as so many of you conservative right wing nuts do!

@ Kevin

Wow, you're so clever. Did you think those up all by yourself or did your mommy help you?

Clwyd:

So now you've lowered yourself to the maturity level of an eighth grader, by making fun of my name. Do you have any shame, or are you going to start eating the glue and pushing it through your teeth for the entertainment of the other little kiddies?

You are intellectually unimpressive; I don't think that you've traveled any further then your front yard. You're not erudite, and you certainly show no sophistication, in fact I'd say that you're rather sophomoric.

BTW: I'm neither right wing, nor conservative, but thank you for asking.

Slackr:

Kevin is Clwyd's more cerebral, alter ego.

New "ARCHER" episode tonight! Hilarious and violent ficitonal entertainment.

In the real world we'd like to have some regulations, ...background checks, ...a director of the ATF.

Arkius,

No I just am poor typist and I haven't lowered anything. I have a MS Degree and 28 credits toward a Dr. Just can't type! Whatever you think I think I come across more intelligent than yourself! You are doing a good job of making fun of yourself without me!

Arkius, Oh, I forgot to mention that in these socialized countries people with mental problems are getting help in institutions and not walking the street with assault weapons after Reagan tossed them out on the streets to kill! They live longer there too as they aren't cut down by the 1,000's each year!

Ten years ago, a Republican sponsored (Todd Tiahrt R-Kansas), NRA written bit of legislation was inserted into a funding bill. It gutted the ATF's ability to track firearms and enforce existing gun laws. It required that background check information be destroyed within 24 hours, restricts inspection of gun shops to once per year, cuts funding so that actual inspections only occur once every 17 years on average. It also removed any requirement for gun shops to take inventory or keep track of their products. Republicans have blocked Senate confirmation of a director of the ATF for the last 6 years. (this requirement was inserted into the Patriot act by John Sensenbrenner R-Wisconson. He won the NRA's defender of freedom award that year.) The total number of ATF agents has remained at 2500 for the last 35 years and they have 100,000 gun sellers to monitor, not to mention the alcohol and tobacco.

57% of guns used in crimes were traced back to only 1% of gun dealers. This information was obtained 20 years ago, but since then the ATF has been barred from collecting and using such a database. The NRA has little credibility after these attacks upon very reasonable gun legislation.

Again with Feisty being the first to post. Coincidence?

There seems to be an awful lot of movies coming from Hollywood that are violent shootemups, how can they glamorize guns in the movies but want to remove them from law abiding citizens at the same time?

Democrat..."Hypocrite is thy name"

Clwyd:

Sorry, but I find it impossible to believe that you've earned a degree in anything, let alone have 28 credits toward a Ph.D., without basic grammar and typing skills.

The purpose of a Doctoral degree is to add to the global knowledge base. If you can't type, then you have no hope of writing your dissertation, or doing your post graduate work. Moreover, you haven't a hope in hell of publishing anything afterward, which means, you're unemployable. In addition, you do not display the critical thinking skills necessary to function in the scientific community.

I don't believe, for one minute, that you can tell me the foundational principle of scientific research and experimentation.

Ed: Cite your sources, or you're babbling nothing but your worthless, subjective opinion.

Oneslackr-Just sent off my 25 bucks a year to the NRA.

Lets have a violence tax on hollyweird movies. Lets say if they make a violent movie the first murder is a freebie.

After that a $100,000 fee is levied for each murder portrayed in the film where a gun is used.

$75,000 if a bomb is used.

$50,000 for all other acts of violent murder are portrayed.

On top of that lets have a gun shot fee impossed on them as well. For each time a gun is fired in a movie there should be a $10,000 tax.

Each time a gun is portrayed in a life threatening measure then they would have to pay a $5,000 tax.

So on and so forth. Of course we really are not going to call this a tax but instead we shall refer to it as a fee.

Support for the NRA and support for all of its positions are two different things.

Gun owners support the NRA the same way that other groups support organizations that cater to them, but people in those groups can and do disagree on positions and the purpose of the organization. Just because 41% support the NRA is no indicator that they all of the members agree with all of the stances of their current president.

One thing to be wary of is when an organization like the NRA, AARP, or labor unions try to use their clout by claiming that all of their members are behind whatever position they are lobbying for. They may have a majority of member support, but it's never unanimous.

There is too much hyperbole in politics. People are people and most people fall somewhere between the extreme positions of groups they belong to and the positions of the general population.

NBC/WSJ poll: NRA more popular than entertainment industry

As long as we're talking about polls, Gallop has just released a poll that shows the NRA is more popular than Obama.

There will be no anti-gun legislation forthcoming from the Congress and most of Obama's executive orders will be challenged resulting in litigation that will consume years, eventually being ruled unconstitutional.

Arkius,

Believe what you want but the 5 years getting BS Degree and the 8 to get the Master's and then 28 more in the summer months along with teaching in Europe were worth it! I think it shows when it comes to your comments that you don't come close! Righties are mostly all talk and short on the reality!

Arkus,

I can believe you are like the Scarecrow in the "Wizard of Oz" before he got a brain!

Clwyd:

Once again you display your inability to comprehend the written word.

I've already told you on a number of occasions, that I am neither right wing, nor conservative, most recently, I've reminded you again of this on Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:07 PM EST, and you still cannot get it through your thick head. This is a clear demonstration that you do not possess the academic qualities that you claim to have; you are in fact a liar.

In my comments of Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:04 AM EST, I wrote: "The purpose of a Doctoral degree is to add to the global knowledge base. If you can't type, then you have no hope of writing your dissertation, or doing your post graduate work. Moreover, you haven't a hope in hell of publishing anything afterward, which means, you're unemployable. In addition, you do not display the critical thinking skills necessary to function in the scientific community. I don't believe, for one minute, that you can tell me the foundational principle of scientific research and experimentation." You have chosen to ignore these arguments, because, in my opinion, for you to address them is for you to expose the entirety of your lie.

Because you have chosen to take the position that a particular political ideology endorses verbiage, rather then veracity, you have exposed your pitiful critical thinking skills. You have presented a straw man argument.

At best, you have a GED. Your writing betrays your ignorance. Go lie to someone else.

You are pathetic, and you are dismissed.

Arkisu,

Prove to you that you are wrong? It is impossible from your posts. You have been let go to far with the FOX brainwashing program. My only proof to you is that "YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!:

My MS degree is posted on my wall along with my MS. It got me a job for 34 years as a GED wouldn't. What does the great and powerful Arkius do and what kind of lack of education do you have?

Yes, the NRA ranks right up there with my most popular things, SCUM!

Clwyd:

You have no credibility. You are an uneducated liar.

You have been dismissed.

Arkius,

I'm a lot of things, but a liar I'm not! Hard to believe that someone like me could be working with students and having them turn on the likes of the republican party. In our Friday give and take cessions in class, kids no longer take the republican point of view on anything. I stay out of it, believe it or not ( no not lying!). I just sit back and listen to them cuss the extremism that has taken place on the right. Several have voiced like me that they have left the party of their parents and in some cases so have their parents. I guess that is why only 26% now approve of the republican , Do nothings! Oh, they do do something! Protect the rich and corporations!

@ clwyd-2621393

kids no longer take the republican point of view on anything

In your next give and take, ask the students how they would like larger government if, as taxpayers, they were forced to pay their share of the debt ($140,000), and if they couldn't pay, they would be sent to work camps or civil service. If they say they wouldn't like that, ask them why they think they are so special as to not contribute to the Collective. I would be interested in hearing their thoughts.

Two observations. The first is surprise that NBC would provide a poll in a positive light for the NRA. The other is the complete uselessness of the poll.

NBC, how about for the next poll, you compare the NRA to beans and cornbread. Or perhaps the color orange. The results would be so informative.

You can thank Ronnie Raygun for the defunding of mental health treatment, which in turn, let them back out of the streets

Once again fisting deadhead, in her typical know-nothing fashion, posts her ignorance and then proceeds to insult anyone who points out said ignorance. Such a moron. Such a low information person (voting or otherwise) sees everything negative in America as the fault of Reagan or "the right" (or guns).

Aside from the fact that Congress writes and votes on the the budget and then passes it on to the senate where it is voted on (something Harry Reid has failed to accomplish for the last 3 years) and then sent to the President for his signature of approval or veto; there is always the issue of what the states wish to do concerning mental patients as interpreted under the rulings of the court.

Here's a site which may help you fisty.

http://mentalillnesspolicy.org/legal/mental-illness-supreme-court.html

I find it amusing and not surprising that the poll finds the NRA more popular than Hollyweird. It would appear that only the far, far left has a positive opinion of them. The truly indoctrinated.

Small wonder...the NRA stands for your rights...the Hollyweird fools choose to use themselves as tools for the propagandists and wannabe tyrants who wish to strip them from you.

Clwyd:

You're being disingenuous. No Board of Education would hire someone with your obvious education flaws to teach in their school system.

Clearly, you have a problem communicating through the written word; you admit that you can't type, and your critical thinking skills are of the lowest level. I have no doubt that your education goes no higher then a GED.

Personally, I think you're employed in the trash industry, because that is the essence of your comments.

Maybe you hadn't noticed all of the red space between the blue shores? People in big cities think everybody is like them, which is a terrible assumption. Exactly the reason that gun control should remain a state's right and the federal government should get its nose out of our business. Smaller America is sick and tired of big-city politicians trying to tell us how we can and can't live our lives.

I am proud to be one of those 250,000 people. I haven't been a member of the NRA for 10 years, but realized it was time to renew. It's time big city politicians realized that this is NOT a gun control issue.

@ Darvell,

And what did that get you? Nothing! What did it get for the NRA? Your money!!!!

What did it get me? It forced Obama to waffle on his original plan of forcing thru his gun control agenda, which he now claims only the Congress can implement. Did you see how angry he was yesterday at his press announcement? He did NOT get what he wanted! WHY? Because the NRA has the interest of millions of Americans at heart.

Without the NRA, we would be losing rights left and right. Obama is afraid of the NRA and what they/we can do, or he would have forced his agenda, like he originally had planned.

THANK YOU NRA!!!

@ Darvell,

What rights.. left and right? Why should he have to force his agenda to get anything done... The NRA is a minority...

Obama is afraid???? Hell, we all are of idiots who think the more guns they have they safer they are... You see how that worked out for Mrs. Lanza..... which is not a laughing matter.... But! All her guns did NOT keep her safe. GET IT!!!!!

@Darvell, and people in big cities are extremely tired of people in small towns telling us how to live. Let gays get married, let individuals decide on abortion, if you want the military to invade a random country somewhere - you pay for it, and STOP taking more from the federal government than you pay in. Stop the farm subsidies and let the free market rule. If we can agree to all of this, I think we can get along better!

BmoreBabe wrote:

> The NRA is a minority...

Keep telling yourself that and you'll be more happy. We'll see how much of a minority we are when the Senate and House take up gun control. Even the Democratic Senate can't pass gun control right now, let alone the House. Why is that, do you think?

Fair enough, hypocrisy1776. You pass laws that your blue state likes and we'll pass ours. That's the way this country was designed. When the federal government intervenes--that's when we get into problems.

Here's to you Darvell !!

Darvell Hunt, well said!

Darvell Huntvia Facebook
BmoreBabe wrote:

> The NRA is a minority...

Keep telling yourself that and you'll be more happy. We'll see how much of a minority we are when the Senate and House take up gun control. Even the Democratic Senate can't pass gun control right now, let alone the House. Why is that, do you think?

The NRA is even a minority among only gun owners.

Of the 300M Americans, 100M own at least one weapon. The NRA brags they have 4M American members. That's 4% of all gun owners. 96 gun owners out of 100 don't belong to the NRA.

On the other hand, since they represent the gun manufacturers, the NRA has a ton of money. Since the SCOTUS told us that corporations are people and money is speech, small groups with lots of money have a loud voice.

Just like the founding fathers set it up: wealthy minority rules.

First “Guns don’t kill people. Video games, the media and Obama’s budget kill people,” NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said at a Dec. 21 press conference where he addressed the tragedy at Sandy Hook."

Obama's budget?

Then this recent disgusting attack ad using our president's daughters in which the NRA mentions that Obama "...demands the wealthy pay their share of taxes."

Taxes?

What do Obama's budget and his tax policies have to do with the topic at hand? Nothing of course.

Conclusion? The NRA is no longer a gun rights group. They're just another radical right PAC.

NevadaJ wrote:

The NRA is even a minority among only gun owners.

Of the 300M Americans, 100M own at least one weapon. The NRA brags they have 4M American members. That's 4% of all gun owners. 96 gun owners out of 100 don't belong to the NRA.

OK. Fair point. Let's see how the ranks of gun-control groups stack up against the NRA then.

What are the numbers of Americans who have joined these gun control advocate groups? What are they? Brady Campaign. GIffords's new group. Violence Policy Center. Mayors Against Illegal Guns. Stop Handgun Violence. What else? There sure seems to be a lot of these splinter groups, but are there close to 4,250,000 members in them?

Which ones do YOU belong to?

Surely if the "opposition to the NRA" is as interested in gun control as we are gun rights, there must be a sufficient number of members in these groups, right? Let's hear some numbers! I'm open minded. Supply us with some info or shut the hell up!

Darvell, you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

"Because the NRA has the interest of millions of Americans at heart." -- Really? No, they don't. Nobody is banning guns and nobody is trying to, yet the NRA has somehow floozed people in believe that's true. Frankly, I don't have any idea why any sane person would believe this; the reason the restrictive policies are on the books that prevent agencies like the ATF from doing their job and that prevent proper monitoring and investigation of things like mental health issues combined with firearm purchases is because the NRA lobbied for (or in some cases, may as well have outright written) the laws that cause those failures in the justice system to take place. They don't have the best interest of Americans at heart, unless you consider completely unregulated firearm ownership to be the best interest of Americans... and idea that's nuttier than a Planters packing factory given current events.

"Without the NRA, we would be losing rights left and right." -- <citation needed>. No. You wouldn't. You could still own guns, you'd still be able to buy and sell them as you do now, there'd just be certain types that you wouldn't be able to. Do I think the assault weapon ban is a fix? No, not really, it's a band-aid at best if does anything at all. What I do know is that the NRA's lobby isn't any more representative of the average gun owner than PETA is for the averaged dog or cat owner.

Nobody is banning guns because the NRA and the American voters are BLOCKING IT. Read my quotes from Dianne Feinstein, currently on page 5, where she says she wants an outright ban on ALL GUNS. She can't get that, so she's trying to get what she can--which is very little right now, because of voters LIKE ME and the NRA.

And, as a matter of fact, unregulated firearm ownership IS in the best interest of most Americans. So glad you agree with me!

I have owned guns for decades and even used to belong to the NRA. They lost me in 1989 when they said that the guy who hosed down an elementary school in Stockton Ca. with an ak47 was within his rights to own that assault weapon.

All of the guns I currently own are legal under that New York law.

miklkit:

Your first argument is pointless hogwash. Your second argument is just plain hogwash. Do you have a point, or are you just practicing your typing skills?

Arkius- the only point he has ever had is on the top of his head.

And if he wears a hat, no one will see it.

Darvel, you're clueless. The country wasn't designed so the dumbest guys in the dumbest states could pass laws affecting people in other states.

Gee, there are over 4 million people who work for gun manufacturers who support the NRA? Wow. Liberals who think that are lying to themselves to try to understand why people actually want to own firearms. You guys just don't get it, do you?

They are a Special Kind of Stupid, Don't Get It, Never Will !!!!!!!

You're frightened, aren't you? You should be.

You're a moron... the NRA is over 4 million law-abiding citizens who happen to believe in the Constitution and exercise our right to keep and bear arms. Your Liberal "owned and operated by gun manufacturers" characterization is ignorant, and your irrational phobia of guns probably explains a lot of your other "ban <fill in the blank>" behaviors. If you really cared about children you'd worry about the 500 murders in Chicago last yr instead of 1/20th that many killed by one nutjob.... but then it's not about children.. it's about banning guns.

4 million NRA members out of 300 million Americans. That's less than one-and-a-half percent of the population.

Those of us not in the NRA are about finding reasonable solutions to the growing problem of gun violence. Solutions thatt represent ALL 300 million of us.

I find it interesting that the NRA has only 4 million members when there are 100 million gun owners in America.

96 out of every 100 gun owners don't belong to the NRA.

Which makes sense, really; why should a gun owner join the NRA? The NRA does nothing for them. They're a lobbying organization for gun manufactures.

The NRA is for arming the Mexican drug cartels. The NRA fully supports the Arizona gun laws that let people walk into gun stores and buy $20,000 worth of guns and then walk out and sell them to Mexicans.

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