On school provisions:

"...more school resource officers, school psychologists, social workers, and counselors, as well as make other investments in school safety. We also need to make sure every school has a comprehensive emergency management plan so they are prepared to respond to situations like mass shootings. In addition, the Administration is proposing to help 8,000 schools put in place proven strategies to prevent violence and improve school climate by reducing bullying, drug abuse, violence, and other problem behaviors."

#NowIsTheTime to make our schools safer Wh.gov/nowisthetime

Yes-terday.

Ironically while La Pierre was screeching to the S.T.O.P. gallery, 'outraging' about needing more armed officers in school:

President Obama announced new measures asking Congress to fund school districts, so that schools can hire law and counseling resource Officers, should they choose to do so.

YES = YES?

Joe you are very confused about who the "Royal Chinese credit card" belongs to, Congress controls and approves all spending. If the president was the king (that you wish him to be so you could make things as simple as yourself and blame all our woes on one man) then he could spend at will, but he does not, and he cannot, that power is the domain of Congress. Why blame the president because some in Congress who have the sole power to spend, do not wish to pay the tab on what they already approved and spent.

So please tell us all, Outhouse, how do the President's boots taste ?

Is it true Obama wants doctors to do a gun check question of their patients and he now wants this as part of Obamacare ? Will this be required instruction in medical school ??

"Never mind your heart condition, Mrs. Jones ... tell me how many guns you have and what caliber they are". The President wants to know !

The law requires that employers provide a safe workplace.

Everywhere but schools, evidently. For schools, we now demand that teachers provide their own safe workplace. Why is that, exactly?

Next thing you know, laws will be enacted giving schools immunity against liability when teachers are killed in mass shootings.

But, hey, that's why they get paid the big bucks, you know?

Question for all the Second Amendment advocates (heard it on the TV last night): If more guns will make us safer then why, since we have more guns per capita than just about anyplace, aren't we already the safest country on earth?

To the contrary, more and more guns have steadily made us into one of the least safe countries on earth. Right on par with places like Colombia, Mexico, and the Phillipines.

Coincidence? I think not.

Ponder that today.

And remember this:

The NRA's overlords do not profit if we're safer. The gun market is already saturated. To produce new business, they have to generate new fear. That's why they tell you that President Obama wants to take away your guns. That's poppycock. And in fact, the NRA doesn't care one bit whether your children die. They've already said they believe it to be inevitable. Why should it be? Because without deaths, there will be no fear. To gun merchants, death is just the cost that society has to pay to increase their business.

Good morning Feisty, Backhouse, Seeking Sanity, David, Job1 and all my other liberal friends. What say you about heading over to the Dew Drop Inn to hoist a few in honor of our beautiful First Lady's Birthday later on???

I'm beaming because two special people have birthdays so close to Dr. Martin Luther King's; the First Lady and my older son. As I told, I believe it was Jody, a couple of years back, my son puts me to shame. He can memorize just about all of Dr. King's quotes.

Good Morning Bev!

Thanks for the reminder on the First Lady's Birthday!

Brings to mind this quote of hers;

"One of the lessons that I grew up with was to always stay true to yourself and never let what somebody else says distract you from your goals. And so when I hear about negative and false attacks, I really don't invest any energy in them, because I know who I am." Michelle Obama....

I hope homeland security is taking a hard look at the crazy people running the NRA, they are scary !

My right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness trumps your sick, perverted, obsession with WMD's!

Histrionics much?

The Constitution is very specific, and the SCOTUS has already ruled that the Second Amendment is an individual right.

Now, we all know that you're so much more intelligent than the rest of us, so I am sure you canexplain in exquisite detail how to disarm the criminals.

so lets see....new law passes outlawing certain guns...law abiding citizens turn in their now illegal guns...how does that change anything for the good? some of you people are real morons!

Jody,

Thank you for reminding us about "that ability to focus and do what is right for our children and grandchildren".

YES WE CAN.

YES WE CAN.

YES WE CAN.

I agree Backhouse. This is the first President, probably ever, that is taking on gun control! For the Republican NRA supporters, we have half the guns on Earth in this country, shouldn't that make us the safest country in the World? Yeh - Right! Your a**hole math is a little off. Guns don't make us safe, they make us more likely to get shot! They also make a lot of money for gun runners. Why doesn't the NRA just change its name to the National Gun Manfacturers Assc.?

So, FR lefty liberals: who is the LIAR??

Well, Joe finally admits he is clueless on all matters fiscal by asking one of the dumbest finance questions ever posted on FR. But let's put this in terms Joe can understand.

Joe has a electric bill due at noon. Before paying it and knowing he has 15 minutes to kill (doesn't take him long), Joe hires a hooker, she ties him to his bed, steals his checkbook, and walks out the door leaving Joe unable to pay the electric bill by the deadline, causing the power to be shut off. Is Joe a deadbeat for failing to pay his electric bill on time?

Well said Jody, president Obama didn't go as far as I would have, I would have recalled all of those military style semi automatic rifles and extended clips, if you don't comply and you are caught with one then you would be charged with a felony. From that point farther you would not be allowed to own any gun. The fines and prison sentence for having this type weapon and magazine in your possession would be severe.

The only use for these weapons is to kill as many humans as possible in as short a time as possible. There is no need to have them in our civilized society. Next I would go after the machine pistols that are so prevalent on the street killing so many of our nations youth.

The NRA slogan would apply, if you take away the guns only outlaws would have guns, simply put, if you did not turn in these weapons you would be an outlaw. Plain and simple.

Mr. President, please stick by your new gun law plans. Our Country and especially our children need them. I know it will be a tough fight, but your the man to carry the fight to them. I believe you will win this war the majority of the Country is behind you.

And Jim DeMint, who cares what you think, your a has been. you've always been a loser and you keep proving it every time you open your mouth. Just go away.

As a liberal, and semi intelligent person (ok, quit laughing) I really don't see how any of the mandates on gun control would have stopped the horrible Sandy Hook massacre.

Let's pretend, just for a moment, that this wacked out kid drove his mom's hummer through the first grade classroom, killing those kids MUCH faster than entering with a semi or full automatic weapon. What then? Ban Hummers? maybe give mental screenings for those wishing to purchase a hummer?

think about it...

Joe HAHAHAHA

But, King Barry the First claims that, if the evil Republicans don’t raise the limit on his Royal Chinese credit card, SS checks will not go out and seniors will pay the price.

OK.

Somebody’s lying here.

So, FR lefty liberals: who is the LIAR??

Easy. YOU are the liar. You know very well that raising the debt ceiling is not raising the limit on a credit card. It's Congress agreeing to pay the debt it's already run up on its credit card.

Rich## -- some of you people are real morons!

The real moron is the person who believes all problems can be solved with more guns.

We already have more guns than just about any other country on earth. Your having a gun did not prevent Newtown. And since Newtown, nearly 1,000 more people have died from guns including a 15-year-old girl accidentally shot by her brother during a dispute over a video game and two people killed the other day in a drive-by shooting in Kentucky.

And you think that's not moronic?

Lil Michelle --

maybe give mental screenings for those wishing to purchase a hummer?

Appreciate the sentiment, but it's not good enough. I know of several gun murders recently where the person who shot the gun would have passed the fitness test at the time the gun was bought. The murders were heat of the moment situations, not detectible by screening.

Screening might prevent some of the mass shooters from getting guns through ordinary purchase. It would not stop black market sales or even casual sales like the ones that occur on Craig's List. It would not stop third parties from buying the guns for the shooters, as was the case in Columbine.

The entire mythology that only the mentally ill commit murders is merely a smoke screen. To prove that, just consider that the same people who say that are the ones who oppose having to be questioned in order to purchase guns. They don't even believe it themselves.

Most gun murders are not committed by the mentally ill. It's only one part of a much larger problem that can only be solved by not making guns readily available to anyone.

Houston, but when does it stop ? 20 tril-30 tril-40 tril. I cannot see an end to this madness.

One thing for sure, Albany Joe writes fiction. To him and all the naybobbers (we and they who know who they are), judging from the ugly, nasty and hateful lies and distortions you post every day, life in your narrow-shuttered, negative world must truely be miserable; and worse, you probably do your best every day to make life miserable for those around you. They obviously suck on lemons as their sole source of nutrition.

To all the whiners about the deficit and debt, where were you while Bush/Cheney and the GOP raised the debt ceiling six times to cover their rearends for all the UNFUNDED spending they did between 2001-2008? We had a budget surplus for the last 3 Clinton years; we were paying down the debt and along came the GOP spiders who took that surplus and turned it into a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit (which added to the debt) in less than one year. Fiscally responsible? Haven't been since Reagan said deficits don't matter and Cheney repeated it.

The Constitution is very specific, and the SCOTUS has already ruled that the Second Amendment is an individual right.

And SCOTUS has also ruled that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to all firearms, such as an M-16. Sounds like gun control to me.

Joe, I don't suppose it dawned on you that the social security trust fund and the funding of the Social Security Administration are two separate matters. The only lying going on here is you lying to yourself.

Lil Michelle

Let's pretend, just for a moment, that this wacked out kid drove his mom's hummer through the first grade classroom, killing those kids MUCH faster than entering with a semi or full automatic weapon. What then?

Then there wouldn't have been 26 people killed in less than four minutes. There are few head-on auto collisions where the death toll is that high. The ban on 30-round ammunition clips wouldn't have prevented all the deaths, but there very likely would have been fewere people killed in Newtown. In the Tucson shooting, the killer was wrestled to the ground while he was reloading. Unfortunately, in that case, the killer had a 100-round clip, so he already had murdered six people before he had to reload.

Personally, I'd recommend All of Americas Carnival Barkers(formerly known as the MSM)& E1 else to watch Jon Stewarts show from lastnight, ifya really wanna getta handle on the proliferation of Assault weapons flooding the streets of America!

In 10 short minutes, He layed out the extent of the PROBLEM, & make No mistake, It's a Big Problem!

You Betcha!

Occupy SoggyBottom!

Johntho,

Yes in 1998, fifty kinds of semi-automatics were banned.

NOW this 2013 proposal has a different approach:

Its set of proposals are the broadest ever to address the problems facing us - in an holistic way.

Is the NRA the least democratic institution in the US? Appears to be at least in the top ten ... regular little fiefdom.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/nra-board-newtown-bushmaster

In 2013 ALREADY, there have been 22 murders in Chicago, a city with the TOP GUN RESTRICTIONS in the country. Anyone that can explain how having tough gun laws will solve this problem needs to tell me why Chicago is having such a hard time....

The problem is not gun control.

am @1.12 said -- "Everywhere but schools, evidently. For schools, we now demand that teachers provide their own safe workplace. Why is that, exactly?"

well it depends on what schools. we know that the political elite often enroll their kids in schools that do provide armed security but when the nra proposed putting armed security into all schools many on the left including the political elite went nuts.

Anna Molly:

Question for all the Second Amendment advocates (heard it on the TV last night): If more guns will make us safer then why, since we have more guns per capita than just about anyplace, aren't we already the safest country on earth?

Hey sorry to tell you this we are safer.

Lets just look at the UK=77% increase in violent crime since guns were ban. Now called the violent crime capital of Europe.

Lets look at Australia= rose 42.2 percent in violent crime since its gun ban was put into place. by the way a women in Australia is 3 times more likely to be raped then a women in America.

Myth #3: Gun Control Has Reduced The Crime Rates In Other Countries.

Fact: Gun control has done nothing to keep crime rates from rising in many of the nations that have imposed severe firearms restrictions.

Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24% and kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%."2

* Canada: After enacting stringent gun control laws in 1991 and 1995, Canada has not made its citizens any safer. "The contrast between the criminal violence rates in the United States and in Canada is dramatic," says Canadian criminologist Gary Mauser in 2003. "Over the past decade, the rate of violent crime in Canada has increased while in the United States the violent crime rate has plummeted." 3

* England: According to the BBC News, handgun crime in the United Kingdom rose by 40% in the two years after it passed its draconian gun ban in 1997.4

* Japan: One newspaper headline says it all: Police say "Crime rising in Japan, while arrests at record low."5

3. Fact: British citizens are now more likely to become a victim of crime than are people in the United States:

* In 1998, a study conducted jointly by statisticians from the U.S. Department of Justice and the University of Cambridge in England found that most crime is now worse in England than in the United States.

* "You are more likely to be mugged in England than in the United States," stated the Reuters news agency in summarizing the study. "The rate of robbery is now 1.4 times higher in England and Wales than in the United States, and the British burglary rate is nearly double America's."6 The murder rate in the United States is reportedly higher than in England, but according to the DOJ study, "the difference between the [murder rates in the] two countries has narrowed over the past 16 years."7

* The United Nations confirmed these results in 2000 when it reported that the crime rate in England is higher than the crime rates of 16 other industrialized nations, including the United States.8

4. Fact: British authorities routinely underreport crime statistics. Comparing statistics between different nations can be quite difficult since foreign officials frequently use different standards in compiling crime statistics.

* The British media has remained quite critical of authorities there for "fiddling" with crime data. Consider some of the headlines in their papers: "Crime figures a sham, say police,"910 and "Police figures under-record offences by 20 percent."11 "Police are accused of fiddling crime data,"

* British police have also criticized the system because of the "widespread manipulation" of crime data:

a. "Officers said that pressure to convince the public that police were winning the fight against crime had resulted in a long list of ruses to 'massage' statistics."12

b. Sgt. Mike Bennett says officers have become increasingly frustrated with the practice of manipulating statistics. "The crime figures are meaningless," he said. "Police everywhere know exactly what is going on."13

c. According to The Electronic Telegraph, "Officers said the recorded level of crime bore no resemblance to the actual amount of crime being committed."14

* Underreporting crime data: "One former Scotland Yard officer told The Telegraph of a series of tricks that rendered crime figures 'a complete sham.' A classic example, he said, was where a series of homes in a block flats were burgled and were regularly recorded as one crime. Another involved pickpocketing, which was not recorded as a crime unless the victim had actually seen the item being stolen."15

* Underreporting murder data: British crime reporting tactics keep murder rates artificially low. "Suppose that three men kill a woman during an argument outside a bar. They are arrested for murder, but because of problems with identification (the main witness is dead), charges are eventually dropped. In American crime statistics, the event counts as a three-person homicide, but in British statistics it counts as nothing at all. 'With such differences in reporting criteria, comparisons of U.S. homicide rates with British homicide rates is a sham,' [a 2000 report from the Inspectorate of Constabulary] concludes."16

5. Fact: Many nations with stricter gun control laws have violence rates that are equal to, or greater than, that of the United States.

Avg American: Hey NRA, why do you not support universal background checks, sharing of information by govt agencies, and gun violence research?

NRA: Because they dont work to prevent violence.

Avg American: How do you know that?

NRA: I just do. It is also a bad idea because Obama/Biden proposed it.

Avg American: Any research to back up your claim?

NRA: No because research data is irrelevant. That's why we lobbied to prevent the govt from doing any.

That's pretty much what I hear from these groups today. Lets keep putting them on tv and see how the poll numbers continue to improve on this subject so then we can hear them say... "Well poll numbers dont matter."

Who was the last group of people that thought the same? I forget what campaign that was...

jim #'s -- Fact is doctors have been asking about guns in the home for years now. Had to answer that question when changing pediatricians and had to answer that question for my mom on a doctors form a month or so ago. Are you that clueless?

Steven B -- Two questions for you. Where do the guns come from that criminals use? And how do you keep the guns out of the hands of criminals?

Well isn't a tough sell? Yes selling nothing is usuallly a tough sell.

One thing I thought was lacking in Obama's proposal is a limit on the number of guns that one can buy within a given time period. Someone who buy 20 guns in one months is most likely a straw purchaser for gang bangers or a drug cartel. Of course, it's as unlikely that could get through the current tea bag infested Congress as any of the common-sense measures Obama and Biden did propose.

Universal background checks have such overwhelming public support that if anything does get through Congress, that would be it. Of course, even then, Boehner would have to violate the "majority of the majority" rule again. But he's already done it twice now (to his credit) with the Sandy relief and the fiscal cliff votes, so he may do it again. He'll HAVE to do it again if he really wants to avert another global recession that the Congressional tea baggers are intent on creating by refusing to pay the nation's debts.

@Houston!

You know very well that raising the debt ceiling is not raising the limit on a credit card. It's Congress agreeing to pay the debt it's already run up on its credit card.

Wrong! Do you understand how ANYTHING works? Raising the debt limit allows more borrowing, period!

5. Fact: Many nations with stricter gun control laws have violence rates that are equal to, or greater than, that of the United States.

By the way most of the nations with stricter gun control laws have violent rates that are equal to, or greater than that of the United States and those Nations have way fewer people living in them then the US.

David Walker

Hey crazy/stupid gunners, it would behoove you to read this little note.

This line was enough to ensure i dont read any further. Saugen sie meinen Sturmgewehr Davide LOL

But hey AM, Davide, Ikarus, Mickey and the rest of you that have a little more intelligence than the rest of your libtard zombies. Please do tell what Obama's symbolic signing of 'regulations' would have done to prevent any school shootings?

I know of several gun murders recently where the person who shot the gun would have passed the fitness test at the time the gun was bought.

good so my anectdotal evidence shows that I know a few gun owners that prevented mass deaths. Semantics and skewed interpretations indeed

If guns kill people and people don't then why not throw the gun in jail and keep the idiot who used the gun out on your streets.

Is it true Obama wants doctors to do a gun check question of their patients and he now wants this as part of Obamacare ?

Jim, one of the executive orders from yesterday merely clarifies that the Affordable Care Act does not make it illegal for a physician to ask about guns in a patient's home. A second executive order clarifies that there is no law that prevents a physician from reporting threats of violence to authorities. The NRA said we had to do something about "the lunatics". Seems to me they're going to get what they want.

In 2011, Governor Rick Scott passed a law in Florida that would have made it illegal for a physician to ask about a gun in a patient's home. A federal judge ruled that law was unconstitutional...in essence, enacting a violation of the First Amendment as it prevented physicians from discussing certain subject matter. An injunction was issued to prevent implementation of the law.

Think of it this way...if you take little Jimmy to a psychiatrist or psychologist and that practitioner says little Jimmy's got some behavioral health issues why should a discussion about that rifle you have in your closet be off limits? Maybe somewhere in that discussion and the course of little Jimmy's treatment we prevent little Jimmy from taking that rifle to school and shooting up his classmates...or from shooting you...or from shooting himself.

So according to this administration it is illegal for local law enforcement to enforce federal laws, see immigration. Will it be illegal for local law enforcement to enforce these laws?

Keep picking and choosing Big O.

One thing for sure, Albany Joe writes fiction. To him and all the naybobbers (we and they who know who they are), judging from the ugly, nasty and hateful things you post every day, life in your narrow-shuttered, negative world must truely be miserable; and worse, you probably do your best every day to make life miserable for those around you. They obviously suck on lemons as their sole source of nutrition.

_______________________________________

Jody: you are clearly a bitter, angry, person today. That's sad.

As I like to say:

Life is good.

Enjoy.

BTW, just for David Wanker: my Rx for your malaise is one heaping helping of filet/AK salmon/ Sam's for lunch today.

billybob-6210632

well it depends on what schools. we know that the political elite often enroll their kids in schools that do provide armed security but when the nra proposed putting armed security into all schools many on the left including the political elite went nuts.

President Obama proposed funds for more security in schools. The far right went silent. They were already nuts.

@ Leatherneck918 --

Care to provide a source? Breitbart, perhaps? And old, to boot.

Personally, I like this one --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rat

I'm just talking about gun related deaths, by the way. Not violence in general. Without guns, people don't die from accidental shootings or drive-by shootings or random shootings, like the one at Newtown, or your standard mall shooting.

Ironically, without a gun, I'm willing to bet that the pistol-packing soccer mom would still be alive today. Her gun was either used against her, or her husband's gun trumped hers, in a heat-of-the-moment shooting that no background check would have prevented.

Without a gun, a 15-year-old girl in Milwaukee, accidentally killed by her brother during a dispute over a video game, would still be alive.

Without a gun, a police officer in suburban Milwaukee would still be alive today. While armed herself, she was shot 5 times by her jealous ex-Marine husband right outside the police station. I'm willing to bet he would have passed a background check.

Without a gun, two completely unrelated people would not have died at a local spa during a recent domestic violence killing near Milwaukee. The shooter killed his estranged wife and then randomly took two others with him before turning the gun on himself.

What's your point, anyway?

@ Steven B -

Now, we all know that you're so much more intelligent than the rest of us, so I am sure you can explain in exquisite detail how to disarm the criminals.

Yes. Stop wallowing in moral cowardice.

rukidding47

If guns kill people and people don't then why not throw the gun in jail and keep the idiot who used the gun out on your streets.

If cars kill people, then why don't we put the car in jail instead of the drunk driver?

Lil Michelle

In 2013 ALREADY, there have been 22 murders in Chicago, a city with the TOP GUN RESTRICTIONS in the country. Anyone that can explain how having tough gun laws will solve this problem needs to tell me why Chicago is having such a hard time....

Lil, do you think it is that hard to buy a trunk load of guns in Virginia and then transport them to Chicago?

ThomasGrande,

The AR-15 was not used sorry to tell you they just want you to believe that so Obama can take guns away.

There is a news video on you tube you need to go watch it.

The news helicopter was watching the car when the cops open the trunk and guess what they pulled out yep the AR-15 they said that was used. And then you see the cops unloading it.

So they have lied to you and to the American people and used the death of those kids for their own agenda...

So now go watch it then tell me what you see.

This is nothing more than an Obama way to be a dictator take the guns away then he will have the control.

Albany Joe, isnt it funny how people like you and I and many others are disgruntled redneck knuckledraggers. Yet Fisty and Bev the racist spout off their Kind posts and Jody seems to be ignorant to it?

so if im vile according to one poster does that make Feisty mother theresa? Dont bother answering, we already know.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL---You have the perfect plan with one little flaw, without the guns you do not have any security or freedom. Guns are like free speech, you get the free speech and the disagreement that goes with it. Under your rules you would get the free speech and I would not because you do not like what I say, at that point it is no longer free speech. Maybe you could read that a few times so you understand. I do not like guns killing people but the second I remove the guns I have taken away the right to own them for everyone. No more free speech. Obama's goal is not to ban guns outright, he wants to take them away one bullet at a time and like that free speech, his goal is to end it completely. All you have to do is read the article Chuck Todd explains the plan very well and the worst part is he is not even trying to hide it.

blackcatwhitecat - Do you think it is hard to carry Three 10 round clips vs. One 30 round?

blackcatwhitecat

Lil, do you think it is that hard to buy a trunk load of guns in Virginia and then transport them to Chicago?

BCWC it likely isn't, but that isn't the case resulting in a high murder rate. The locals who are purchasing guns are going to places where they can purchase them. Also likely not the case that's resulting in the high murder rate.

Most of the guns involved in these murders I'm guessing aren't legally owned guns. The reason for that is that many of the murders are being committed by people who can't legally own a gun in the first place because they are felons. That is why many who are seen as "gun nuts" are pointing to Chicago and saying "legislation isn't the issue".

Three 10 round clips vs. One 30 round?

what weighs more a ton of feathers or a ton of bricks LOL

Without a gun this woman and her kids would be dead.



Or this woman

Or this man:
Homeowner foils pair of burglars, KVOE, Emporia, Kans. 01/02/13
Posted on January 3, 2013

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Around 4 a.m., Ronald Sleisher was awakened in his home north of Neosho Rapids, Kans., by the sound of banging at the door and breaking glass. Sleisher retrieved a gun, went to investigate and discovered two intruders. Sleisher fired at the pair, striking one. The homeowner then held the other burglar at gunpoint until police could arrive.
The wounded home invader was taken to a local hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. (KVOE, Emporia, Kans. 01/02/13)

Want me to go on?

Leatherneck, you lie, your feet stink and you don't love Jesus. Violent crime is practically nil in Canada, England and Australia. Do the research, I have.

No one that I am aware of with the power to do so has done copious studies on the demographics of violence using guns--AND how they happened to come into possession of said guns.

I'm confident that once it is presented who it is that commits violent acts with guns, and in what context, that sensible "gun control" can be implemented. Banning types of hardware will not do much to curb homicides.

Knowing how to keep guns away from children, criminals and unstable people is the only thing that will do any good. I recommend that a law is passed to require gun owners to secure their own guns in a reasonable manner such that they are not easily stolen or picked up by kids or other unresponsible people.

Let's use our heads.

Johntho

Leatherneck, you lie, your feet stink and you don't love Jesus. Violent crime is practically nil in Canada, England and Australia. Do the research, I have.

Johntho, just for the sake of clarity, you mean violent gun crime, right?

Or do you mean violent crime in general? If that is the case, what are you classifying as violent crime? The numbers on assaults and other crimes might be surprising to you, particularly in England.

I think it would be political suicide if Congress does not pass these regulations. In fact I think guns should be licensed like cars where if you sell your gun you have to do a transfer of license. This way all guns are registered and if a gun is used that is not registered, you get 2 x the sentence you would have gotten otherwise.

I know there are a lot of people out there who think passing this will help them sleep safer at night but it really won't. People breaking the law will continue to break the law that is why they are called criminals. I have no problem with some common sense gun control but the simple fact is these changes won't make you safer. 99% of all gun fatalities are from hand guns not Assault weapons. The chance that your child will be killed in a school shooting are the same as him being struck by lightning. There is no answer that will make you safe from crazy.

OldDog47

@Houston!

You know very well that raising the debt ceiling is not raising the limit on a credit card. It's Congress agreeing to pay the debt it's already run up on its credit card.

Wrong! Do you understand how ANYTHING works?

Yes. You obviously don't. Despite the lies being peddled by Joe HAHAHA and crooked Republican "leaders," raising the debt ceiling gives the government the authority to pay off debts already incurred. It's not a "blank check" for the president to spend more money, as Mitch McConnell lied.

Morgs74

blackcatwhitecat - Do you think it is hard to carry Three 10 round clips vs. One 30 round?

I wouldn't know. I have held a semi-auto handgun but once in my life and hated the false sense of security and projected power. I get my man card in bed.

I really see alot of uneducated posts today. Anyone who thinks that this administration is the right thing for this country is insane, literally. No budget, out of control spending, and now, disgustingly using children as props to tug at heart strings to get a meaningless gun ban through congress, really? Kids, kids, kids, assault rifles, assault rifles, assault rifles...........sorry people, its just not true. The Newton killings are pure evil and unthinkable. But, that was the first time it has happened with an assault rifle (No, Columbine did not use assault rifles). The problem is not gun control, its gun violence. Taking away assault rifles (used in less than 2% of shootings) is pure bs. Using kids for a gun grab is pure bs. The problem is our violent culture. Obama is a huge failure, in all aspects, and the brain washing is really a sad thing to watch. Wake up! Our government has failed us for the last 20 years. Get off the kool aid people.

wonder if any of you uberlibs that hate guns would be willing to put up a sign in your yard that says No Guns Here.

Most murders are crimes of passion, that is a problem with open carry and even concealed permits

LMAO, what an uneducated retard Jethro. let me get that drool off your face...there ya go sunshine

BCWC, they don't have to go that far, they get their guns legally in Indiana, and WI, and Iowa. just a few minutes away from downtown. The statement that most murders are committed by felons is absolutely false. Most murders are crimes of passion, that is a problem with open carry and even concealed permits. The gun is available, so they get used. The statistic that sticks in my mind is a person is 22 times more likely to suffer a wound or death from their own gun then to be shot or killed in a break in.

Johntho, thank you and well said to you, too.

Albany Joe writes fiction for sure. He accuses me of being an angry, bitter person today...well, HAHAHAHAHA to Albany Joe, but it just isn't true. He hates it when I point out his "pious baloney", and then uses the Rovian tactic of calling me what he is. You conservatives are so predictable. Have another lemon.

what weighs more a ton of feathers or a ton of bricks LOL

but you have to pack the ton feathers down to the size of a ton of bricks to lift it ... use wax.

wonder if any of you uberlibs that hate guns would be willing to put up a sign in your yard that says No Guns Here.

that would be over advertising where I live ... it is really pleasant knowing that shot one hears is just a car backfiring.

Doorhanger

I know there are a lot of people out there who think passing this will help them sleep safer at night but it really won't. People breaking the law will continue to break the law that is why they are called criminals. I have no problem with some common sense gun control but the simple fact is these changes won't make you safer. 99% of all gun fatalities are from hand guns not Assault weapons. The chance that your child will be killed in a school shooting are the same as him being struck by lightning. There is no answer that will make you safe from crazy.

By your logic then why do we have any laws at all, because someone out there will ignore that law and do it anyways. Example, we have stop signs and someone will ignore it and run the stop sign and run someone over with a car. So why have a stop sign in the first place since you can't 100 percent get everyone to adhere to it? Reason is because most are law biding citizens and so you make the laws for them in a civilized society and then the few that do not obey go to prison. That's why you make these laws concerning high capacity magazines and assault rifles that people don't need anyways.

Repo, I am not going to get in a pissing match with you. I said violent crime. Those statistic's are available, go look. My eyes were wide open when I read the Toronto Star in about 1995 late in the year and their had been only 5 killings and if I remember there was only one by gunshot in the city of Toronto that year. Don't believe me, prove me wrong.

Anna Molly; Here you go.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html

Johntho: No I did not lie. Violent crime in counties that ban guns is as high or higher then the USA. If you look at the US population and there population you will see with 99% of those nations the USA has way more people. Now I know this is hard MATHEMATICS, you will see the US per population is way safer and has way less crime per person in the US then the other nations.

blackcatwhitecat - I will take that as a concession.

Be proud of your sexual prowess because the intellectual prowess is clearly not your strong point.

On January 20, 2009, this particular republican congress, yes, many have been re-elected since then, and they've added a few more, this republican congress has no intention at all to work with President Obama's administration. Every, and anything he puts forward they will fight and attempt to deny.

Forget the "assault weapons, high capacity magazines" ban, they hate this President so much they are preparing to cook, and eat one of their own (Chuck Hagel) and it's only because President Obama will nominate him for Dec Def.

People that believe they need high capacity, fully automatic assault weapons to protect their homes or themselves from criminals are no better than "drive-by" gunners. What are you going to do, empty a 30 round clip in your house at a burgler? How many rounds will hit him, and how many will hit your neighbors next door, or across the street? What will you call your neighbors, collateral damage?

I'm not, nor have I ever been a member of the NRA, nothing but a group of terrorist on their own, but I do own weapons, none high-capacity, automatic assault weapons. I'm a "one-shot" type of guy.

Door hanger, do you know the difference between a law abiding citizen and a criminal is often one squeeze of the trigger. While, this will never go away, minimizing the impact should be a priority. There is no magic bullet in this case but the presidents proposals is at least a starting point. Much farther along then the NRA/GOP's absolute zero.

brenda1964 - One of your ilk tried to use that same reasoning with me yesterday. There are meaningful laws and there are garbage laws that only add to bureaucratic. Apart from the mental illness part of these suggestions, the rest is fluff and nothing but feel good stuff.

Your emotional knee-jerk reactions will be sated surely but this will solve nothing.

Ddotherightthing

I really see alot of uneducated posts today. Anyone who thinks that this administration is the right thing for this country is insane, literally. No budget, out of control spending, and now, disgustingly using children as props to tug at heart strings to get a meaningless gun ban through congress, really? Kids, kids, kids, assault rifles, assault rifles, assault rifles...........sorry people, its just not true. The Newton killings are pure evil and unthinkable. But, that was the first time it has happened with an assault rifle (No, Columbine did not use assault rifles). The problem is not gun control, its gun violence. Taking away assault rifles (used in less than 2% of shootings) is pure bs. Using kids for a gun grab is pure bs. The problem is our violent culture. Obama is a huge failure, in all aspects, and the brain washing is really a sad thing to watch. Wake up! Our government has failed us for the last 20 years. Get off the kool aid people.

It's apparent that it really bothers you to no end that Obama is the President. I can hear it clearly in your post that you can't handle it that Obama is the President. It sounds like you almost want to cry. Well, guess what, President Obama is the President and was voted in by the Majority, electoral, popular, and all the swing states. So even though you are against a black man being President, the majority of the people in the United States disagree with you.

Now to speak of uneducated posts. You do realize that you do not start a sentence with the word but? Also Great Britain has a violent society as well, but passed even more severe gun laws then the US. Would it surprise you to know that last year in Great Britain there was only 35 reported incidents regarding gun violence compared to the USA that had over 11,000 reported incidents?

Oh and I noticed you where upset at President Obama using children in the background as being bad, but you say nothing about NRA using the Presidents kids to make a statement. Pot, meet kettle.

Morgs74

blackcatwhitecat - I will take that as a concession.

Take it for what you will. Your ideology is your blindness, mine is mine.

Be proud of your sexual prowess because the intellectual prowess is clearly not your strong point.

Ouch .. I cry now.

Leatherneck, so you admit that your feet stink and you don't love Jesus then. The truth is not in your right wing London paper. Nor your right wing bull @!$%# site. Admittedly, I am more familiar with Canada, but we can argue London if you like. A city bigger then N.Y. with nearly twice as many people has less violent crime then most all of our large city's. In Australia violent crime actually dropped considerably. Like it or not I still suspect all three things when I talk to a Marine.

Moshuluu,

People that believe they need high capacity, fully automatic assault weapons to protect their homes or themselves from criminals are no better than "drive-by" gunners.

Really This is what you think I want my 30 round clip for or all the people? Sorry you are wrong I have a pistol for home defense and everyone else.

I need my 30 round clip so when your God Obama tries his dictator crap I have a way to defend myself from him and you..

Any one that tries to change or alter the Constitution is tyranny and should be shot....

Published - 15 DEC 12

Every time a tragedy occurs, there are renewed appeals for gun regulation. However, the calls disappointingly always fail.

Regulation of private gun ownership has been a sensitive issue in the U.S. for a long time. Americans own 280 million guns, with 34 percent of U.S. families possessing the deadly weapon.

Centering on issues such as whether citizens can bear arms, and whether the government has the right to ban guns, the opposing camps have debated hotly for years.

Electoral politics is another important reason for the failure of gun control efforts. The Democratic Party has historically paid a price for its gun control efforts.

Many people can't help but turn to the dim hope once again: the gunman's cruelty and evil may provide a strong momentum and broader public support for the restart of gun control efforts. Moreover, with no re-election pressure, President Obama is currently in the best position to promote it.

Xinhua - Chinese Government (Communist) run news agency

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Published - 6 NOV 1939

All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The Communist Party must command all the guns. That way, no guns can ever be used to command the Party.

- Mao Tse Tung

Published - 1940's

"freedom and democracy can come only from forcing America to work in harmony with the Soviets (Communists)."

- Frank Marshall Davis, Communist, mentor to President Obama (by his own admission)

Open your eyes America.

Morgs74

brenda1964 - One of your ilk tried to use that same reasoning with me yesterday. There are meaningful laws and there are garbage laws that only add to bureaucratic. Apart from the mental illness part of these suggestions, the rest is fluff and nothing but feel good stuff.

Your emotional knee-jerk reactions will be sated surely but this will solve nothing.

I realize that logic is something you would not like to hear so therefor you dismissed it out of hand. Just because you say a law is garbage does not make it so. Your emotional knee-jerk reaction is just what I would expect from a Republican who is upset that President Obama won re-election. You really need to get over it and move on, because your starting to look sad.

I wouldn't know. I have held a semi-auto handgun but once in my life and hated the false sense of security and projected power. I get my man card in bed.

what a crock of crap.. he asked a simple question Ikarus and this is how you respond. Yeah everyone who ones a gun is compensating for a lack of manhood.

You conservatives are so predictable. Have another lemon.

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Jody: You are kinda cute when you let your leftuous indignation boil over.

Life is good.

Enjoy.

BTW, the Sam's are greatly improved with a squeeze of a wedge of lime, never lemon.

Lil Michelle asked a very straight forward question to which she received a response from Anna Molly. She asked how any new law would have prevented the Newtown killings.

Anna Molly made the comment: Most gun murders are not committed by the mentally ill. It's only one part of a much larger problem that can only be solved by not making guns readily available to anyone.

That sentiment is why so many people will continue to resist the push being made by the president and so many on the extreme left. What is happening now is merly the tip of the iceberg (so to speak). What is becoming clearly evident is that many in the country want nothing less than to abolish the 2nd amendment. In my opinion that may not be a bad thing, but it certainly will not prevent the problem of irresponsible gun ownership.

It is very easy to see that murders caused by people using guns is out of control. But there will never be a way (in my opinion) to end this problem in this country even if gun sales were banned. Just because something isn't easy to do doesn't prevent it from being done.

Gun/ammunition sales are currently skyrocketing. Membership in the NRA is on the increase of late. This alone should be an alert that there are a large group of people that will never turn in their guns or stop buying them even if it means breaking the law. It is very similar to a drug addiction.

Blackcatwhitecat then made a comment (#1.33) asking if the NRA was the least democratic institution in the country and made the comment that it appears to be at least in the top ten. I'm not saying it is or isn't. But I do want to point out something.

About 5 years ago in San Francisco there was a proposition (proposition H) on the ballot. It was measure that would ban gun sales in the city. It passed. The new law went into effect at the start of the next year. Similarly, Chicago and D.C. passed the restrictions of the same sort. The NRA went to court about the San Francisco law. The law was overturned as was an appeal of the ruling. The reason was because CA has a law which stipulates that no city could do what SF tried to do.

I'm sorry, but when a city/county/state tries to do what was done in SF which superseded other law, that is not very democratic in my opinion. There are not many people who could afford to fight city hall with personal wealth. Had the NRA not stepped in the city would have been able to do what they wanted even though it was not lawful.

Good bad or indifferent to the NRA, all of us can see that the restrictions on guns in Chicago, D.C. and SF have certainly not ended gun violence in those cities. Furthermore, I doubt that any law changes in the future will end gun crimes or even significantly slow them down.

How many times have you heard that the weapon used in a murder had the serial number ground away? How many of the gangbangers purchased their weapons using all of the lawful means required by law?

As I finish this long winded statement let me also say this. I would be completely in favor of this country not having guns in the hands of so many irresponsible people. The sad fact is that I doubt that will ever happen. I say that because I know that people cross our borders illegally all the time. It's against the law to do so. Drugs are manufactured/grown here against the law. Drugs are brought into this country on a daily basis against our laws. How would any law prevent people from obtaining guns illegally should they desire to buy them?

First off we are not a civilized society.

Our modern society is at the most 70 years old.

How is this going to make us safer? If we go after law abiding citizens and make them outlaws. That is true freedom.

We are using drones to kill women and children. Where is the out rage on that? Chicago had 505 homicides last year. What has been done to address that?

We have papers publishing where people live. How is that a good thing?

Our country is going to hit a brick wall on our debt. People do not feel safe, that is why they own guns.

Our debt is closing in on 25% of the worlds GDP. When will we stop running up debt? At what point does the world economy collapse due to this debt?

Phucking fire crotch posted:

I have a short and succinct answer to the Yahoo's heading the NRA who are threatening; "The Fight of the Century".

BRING IT!

Good always prevails over Evil..."

This is precisely why you will have no chance of winning the fight. Good trumps evil! Evil is YOU AND YOUR CLAN OF LEFTWING HOBBITS trying to tell us what we can and can't have because you want it that way.

The hypocrisy of your MSDNC clan is astounding. You scream civil rights and equality (even when the majority is against it) and only THEN do you believe in the democratic republic of the constitution where THE MINORITY RIGHTS are protected from the TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY!

Tables are turned flakey dandruff head. You can convince yourself that you are the majority but thank god the same rights apply to us. Your tyranny will not happen. You will not be confiscating our guns no matter how much just looking at them scares you.

Bring your fight. Were ALREADY PISSED OFF! And were not afraid to fight for what is right. What would you do anyways? Hide in your house? Fight with your keyboard? WE have the assault weapons remember, the ones that are OH SO EASY to kill dozens and dozens.

By all means call the police, let your dictator in cheif call for the armed forces. They are by overwhelming majority, CONSERVATIVES who believe in the 2nd ammendment rights. They ARE US. They will not shoot at their brothers, sisters, neighbors and friends. They took an oath to fight enemies FORIEGN AND DOMESTIC and Obama's horsesh!t agenda is a domestic enemy.

BRING IT!

OldDog, wrong. The debt ceiling is money Congress ALREADY approved and spent (not just that since Jan 20, 2009, but the debt of all the previous Congresses that came before it) plus the interest incurred on that debt. If we want to reduce the deficit and eliminate the need to raise the debt ceiling, then that must be done by Congress with current and future spending bills. The Genie is already out of the bottle with the debt. If a person fails to pay the mortgage on the money borrowed to buy the house in which one lives, that person defaults and goes into foreclosure. If Congress fails to pay its mortgage on the money it borrowed, then the entire USA defaults and goes into foreclosure. You do not want to see that happen. Defaulting on what Congress already spent would make 2008 look like a walk in the park on a sunny day.

Any one that tries to change or alter the Constitution is tyranny and should be shot....

Nothing like a death threat to start your day. Good thing this crackpot wasn't around when all those pesky amendments were written.

OBAMA IS EXPLOITING THE CHILDREN FOR HIS AGENDA!

WHAT ABOUT FOSTER CHILDREN TORTURED AND MURDERED OBAMA?

Rafael Gomez was the tragic poster child for all that was wrong with Washington’s child welfare system.

Nearly ten years after his tragic death at the hand of his abusive mother Rafael’s surviving siblings are having problems of their own with the State Department of Social and Health Services, according to the boy’s oldest sister.

“We look so happy, but it’s not really like this,” said 20 year old Maria Gomez as she looked at a photo of herself with her four sisters and brothers.

“I would love from them to go into a stable home that loves them, that actually wants them,” says Gomez.

Yeah everyone who ones a gun is compensating for a lack of manhood.

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Studies have shown that hosers from the Great White North, like BCWC, have genetically inherited very small penises. Seinfeld did a show on it calling it "shrinkage".

LMFAO!!!!!

Parker Morgs74 is a belligerent @!$%# ... you ... just belligerent. He deserved the answer he got. You want to go down his path, be my guest.

Yeah Ikarus, Canada is a true Utopia LOL. no crime, no hate, molson, moose. Did I ever tell you i have some really nice beachfront property in Yuma Az? Cut ya a real good deal...Trust me I come in Peace

You want to go down his path, be my guest.

what if choose door number three? promise of redemption and salvation? Walrus and the oysters. Oh Well Ikarus. Life is GOOD

Chicago is not a gangster town.

Highest rate of homicides in the nation...gangster town.

brenda1964

Your emotional knee-jerk reaction is just what I would expect from a Republican who is upset that President Obama won re-election. You really need to get over it and move on, because your starting to look sad.

Your argument would be correct if I were a Repub. I care for those idiots on the right about as much as I car for the idiots on the left. I those not to play with party lines and rather base my choices on logic and reason.

Ban 30 round mags, super, I will carry 3 10 round mags. Ban pop bigger than 16 ounces, super, I will go to the store and grab a 2 liter. Collect psych records, super, I won't get treated and be more inclined to snap.

Laws like this are easily sidestepped and therefore worthless and cause more harm than good. But whatever it takes to make your leg shake.

Caesar Augustus wrote:

David Walker

Hey crazy/stupid gunners, it would behoove you to read this little note.

This line was enough to ensure i dont read any further.

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Oh dear God, say it ain't so, Caesar. Your approval means everything to me. Would you have read the post if I'd started it with, "Hey snarky, mindless ideologues......."?

Johntho:

2006 Canada Violent crime rate 12.6% were violent crimes.

Canada's Population in 2006=31,612,897

So that means 2,508,960 people in Canada were victims of violent crimes.

Can’t find the population of the US in 2006 but I will use 2010 308,745,538

Violent crime rate that year was 22.5 means 13,722,023 people in the USA were victims of violent crime.

Pop differences USA= 308,745,538

Canada=31,612,897

=277,132,641 more people in the USA or X 9.8 more people in the USA then Canada.

13,722,023 USA Victims of Violent crime

2,508,960 Canada, so if Canada had the same amount of people living there as here, then that would mean they would then in 2006 had appox 24,587,808 victims of violent crime.

So just going off the amount of population of both countries Canada has almost twice as Much Violent crime per population then the USA. DAM don’t you libs just hate Math.

Brenda,

Don't you have some household chores to be doing? Pretty sure you should be at freshman english anyways, does your teacher know you're using your laptop to post ignorance?

Great Britain passe dgunlaws and yes, everybody gave up their guns like good little sheep. Gun violence went down. OMG! Guess what went up, higher than the numbers of the good ol' USA. EVERYTHING ELSE VIOLENT CRIME RELATED. Rapes, stabbing, robbery, you name it. All of it went up.

Guess that's what you consider a victory. Getting your way even though it makes everything else bad. phucking troll.

Yo Morgue and Parker ... sign up

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/17/bushmasters_horrible_ad_campaign/

It would be very nice if the NRA stops using our Children as pawns !!!

Note to the NRA, Stop frightening our Children with your scary talk !!!

I'm starting to think the guys running the NRA are the Nuts !!!

@David Walker #1.6: Great post David! Amazes me that most "gun freaks", and they are freaks, place an equal, or often higher, psychological value on their guns as their genitalia. Goes for both genders. Hey!, their guns, may in fact, be their only working junk, or, their junk of choice. Would explain a lot. Best regards

Phucking fire crotch posted:

Hoo-weee - another one gunning for any excuse for someone to 'make his day'. How Clint Eastwood. Anyone got an empty chair?

lasertroll

I need my 30 round clip so when your God Obama tries his dictator crap I have a way to defend myself from him and you..

LOL...Son if you believe your 30 round clip will save you from the wrath of America's Military, I submit to you, you shouldn't own any weapons at all. LOL!!!

From the article:"But the hard part will be getting them through Congress -- even the relatively low-hanging fruit like universal background checks -- as well as sustaining the political momentum after the tragic Newtown shootings."

So, clear as a bell......Never let a crisis go to waste...political momentum = non-rational thinking....When cooler heads prevail this is going NOWHERE, and it should go nowhere.

Harry Reid has already said he is NOT going to subject his members to a vote in the Senate on any legislation that will not pass the House, and put Senators on record as voting FOR 2nd. Amendment Restrictions....Pocket - Veto Harry is trying to save Democrats up for re-election in 2014 from having to defend this kind of vote.....THAT is why P.0bama knows this is all for show....He can't even get his own to get on board...

Same reasoning ol'Harry won't pass a Budget in the Senate.....Then they will have votes on record to defend.....All 3 of P.0bama's Budget Proposals got ZERO votes in the House and Senate....

Hey!, their guns, may in fact, be their only working junk. Best regards

If only their guns also shot blanks, we'd all be safer.

blackcatwhitecat - "Morgs74 is a belligerent @!$%#"

Simple minds are easy to bend. You have no recourse so belittle my manhood and call me names. Textbook Lib. Nice work.

@ John Wayne

Highest rate of homicides in the nation...gangster town.

Say it aint so!

Leatherneck918

Your numbers about Canada are bull@!$%#

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/07/24/crime-stats-canada.html

PUBLIC SAFETY Crime rates continue to fall across Canada As well, the severity of crime index, which tracks the extent of serious crime in Canada, also declined by six per cent last year. There were two million Criminal Code violations reported in 2011 — 110,000 fewer than in 2010. Police services also reported about 424,400 incidents of violent crime, a drop of 14,800 over the year before. For several years now, violent crimes in Canada have accounted for about 20 per cent of the offences reported by police.

I don't understand the background check/wait period debate. Those requirements have been in place since the Clinton administration and they haven't prevented gun violence. Granted, there may be loopholes in some states, but the mass shootings have happened in states with strict regulation. What gives?

Johntho

Repo, I am not going to get in a pissing match with you. I said violent crime. Those statistic's are available, go look. My eyes were wide open when I read the Toronto Star in about 1995 late in the year and their had been only 5 killings and if I remember there was only one by gunshot in the city of Toronto that year. Don't believe me, prove me wrong.

This isn't any sort of attempt at any sort of match. If we are talking amount of crimes, yes, US will have more violent crimes with it's considerably larger population. The part that I am concerned with is rate, where England has a much higher incidence of assault by percentage of population.

That's why I was asking for you to specify. If we're referring to murder, then yes it's lower. If we're referring to assault/rape/other violent crimes, the numbers change considerably. I was only attempting to fully understand where you are coming from in terms of what you are considering violent crime. It makes it easier to break down by classification in terms of "this versus that" when I know what metric you are using.

Apologies if it came off as something different.

Oh dear God, say it ain't so, Caesar. Your approval means everything to me. Would you have read the post if I'd started it with, "Hey snarky, mindless ideologues......."?

sure David because you are sure to get resistance from those that are ardent supporters of your ideology. Echo Chamber much. You didnt ask for my approval you asked us crazy gun nuts to read. You almost sound like Barry Obama. Passive aggressive condescending arrogant snob. do enjoy

Lasartroll, answer the door, be sure and take your gun with you, its the FBI wanting to know when you are going to start the war.

Anna M says what the real agend is...."Most gun murders are not committed by the mentally ill. It's only one part of a much larger problem that can only be solved by not making guns readily available to anyone."

Let's all become puppets..Zieg Hiel meinem Fuhrer...

@ Moshuluu

LOL...Son if you believe your 30 round clip will save you from the wrath of America's Military, I submit to you, you shouldn't own any weapons at all. LOL!!!

There you go with your anti-Constitutional statements. Did you even know what you were swearing to when you (supposedly) joined the U.S. Army?

Look up Posse Comitatus. Even if ordered...illegally...95% of miltary members would simply not comply.

You leftys and your propensity for dictatorship!

Leatherneck918

Can't find the population of the US in 2006 but I will use 2010 308,745,538

Violent crime rate that year was 22.5 means 13,722,023 people in the USA were victims of violent crime.

Oh the math of it all ... 22.5% of 300million is what ... approximately 65million+ ... hey Parker, jump in ... the water is warm on your side.

LouK2k12

I don't understand the background check/wait period debate. Those requirements have been in place since the Clinton administration and they haven't prevented gun violence. Granted, there may be loopholes in some states, but the mass shootings have happened in states with strict regulation. What gives?

The wait period is to stop someone who's blown their top and is about to get a gun and do something they would regret. I really have no issue with this idea whatsoever. If you want to get a gun to shoot at a range or otherwise, submit to the background check and the supposed "cooling off period". If you still want that gun after the wait period expires you can purchase it.

Ever seen someone outrageously angry for a couple hours? Ever done something you absolutely regret while mad? So have a lot of people.

Background checks should start with the nuts running the NRA !!!

You wanna talk gun control. On Dec. 29, 1890 the government and soldiers walked into an Indian en campment and demanded the Indians turn over their guns. The obeyed. Guns turned over to govt. Then the govt. proceeded to massacre unarmed men, women and children. Approx. killed 300. This was called the Wounded Knee Massacre.......

BCWC, the Marine is getting his nit picked numbers from right wing sights and they mean very little. He admits his feet stink and he don't love Jesus, but you will never get a Marine to admit they are liars.

nomoresameo, while I understand your point, my own view is that failing to try to diminish the violence is admitting defeat. The fact that we have 50 different state gun laws, not to mention the thousands of additional city/town laws results in purchases in states where the laws are lax and selling the guns in the states where the laws are more restrictive (gun running). The point of federal laws is to level the playing field so that every state's laws must meet the minimum laws established by the federal government.

NY passed the most restrictive gun laws in the country this week but it will not prevent people from buying guns in Virginia or Arizona and transporting them across state lines to sell illegally.

OSHA regulations do not prevent every work-related injury or death but those regulations have diminished the numbers, the frequency and the severity. No law can predict or prevent the human element but failing to pass laws and regulations to limit the human element factor is simply a failure of will to try; it is admitting defeat without attempting a solution.

@ Moshuluu

Yes I believe I can survive just fine seeing I was in the army and had training. See I am not an idiot and would not stand there like a deer in headlights shooting at them.

You would 1st have to find me and that alone would take years for you to do.

So yes I have a very very very good chance to stay alive.

Now you on the other hand well you know....

MOSHULU

LOL...Son if you believe your 30 round clip will save you from the wrath of America's Military, I submit to you, you shouldn't own any weapons at all. LOL!!!

THe military took an oath to defend the constitution which includes protecting it from enemies foreign and domestic. They are conservatives by OVERWHELMING MAJORITY. THEY ARE US and THEY SUPPORT OUR FIGHT.

They will not shoot their brothers, neighbors and friends. They will see the tyranny starting and turn on Obama. Count on it. I would love to see the unarmed fruitcake liberals go against well armed citizens, many of whom will have just recieved world class military training. Armed citizens who also know all the in depth secrets and vulnerabilities of the military that remains, because they were just part of it days prior.

Best of all is only rightwing nut jobs with tinfoil hats save up, stock up and prepare for these things. Just wait until the large citites of ignorant heards of libtards run out of resources (food, water, gasoline). They will turn on eachother before we ever have to shoot a single round.

Priceless bloodbath. The revolution will be bloody but it wont last too long.

@ Leatherneck

Violent crime may be around 13 million...but that covers fist fights at school, slaps to the face at home, etc, etc.

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13,000 murders are committed each year in the U.S. with firearms.

75% are accomplished with semi-auto pistols.

The last 25% is Shotguns, Assault rifles, etc, etc.

13,000 murders....330 Million people...each American has a .00004 chance of being killed a year.

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Hardly an epidemic as the Dictator in Chief would have his cult believe.

catch44 "It would be very nice if the NRA stops using our Children as pawns !!!"

Yeah, only Obama gets to do that - Headline "Gun control: Obama to be joined by children when he unveils agenda"

@ Repo, not unreasonable at all. Am just questioning whether or not it is effective and why some people think it is a new concept.

I'm shaking in my stiletto's

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Nasty: You are probably shivering. Yeah, it's damn cold to be standing on a street corner in Chicago in fishnets, a red leather mini-skirt with thunder-thighs and a faux leopard skin top, flagging down johns. Your trailer is probably very warm, IF you paid the propane bill.

LOL!!!

Tough sell maybe, but,

1. It's going to be the same as in the election. People are going to be so horrified by the NRA (just as they were by the Tea Party), their offensive statements/ads, their parrots in Congress and the total disregard for OUR SAFETY that
2. They're are going to put ENORMOUS PRESSURE on their Congressmen and women to push this through
3. Mark my words!!!!

Lil Michelle

In 2013 ALREADY, there have been 22 murders in Chicago, a city with the TOP GUN RESTRICTIONS in the country.

here is your #1 problem: you fail to realize that people of Chicago have cars and other means of transportation to leave Chicago...Unless you have one, federal law for all 50 states and DC, what one city or state does is as relevant as what the neighbors do.

Let me give you an example:

Massachusetts requires all cars to be insured with a state required minimum. NH does not. For years, some drivers from NH who had no car insurance would enter Mass roads , and cause accidents. Since they had no insurance, the insured Mass driver would get stuck with paying to fix the car (whether through ins and/or deductible) causing Mass insurance rates to go up.

Mass said enough and it is illegal for any driver from any state to enter Massachusetts roads with no car insurance. Your car will be towed if stopped.

People will always find loopholes, so we need to take them away. Will that fix it 100%? No, noothing ever is 100% (except death, I guess) but if we use that as an excuse not to change status quo, we might as well give up the drunk driving laws because they don't prevent 100% of drunks from driving.

Repo, how many mass slayings in England last year? Canada? Australia? U.S. as far as "other" violent crime, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand, and I won't argue with you about it.

Oh Nooooooooo!!!!... What a disappointing day for the imbeciles!! I'm sorry that jack-booted thugs didn't come knocking at your compound doors to yank the second amendment out from under your feet like a cheap throw-rug!! I know how much you were counting on that to satisfy your psychosis.

Now they're on here sucking their binkies, changing the subject, and pretending like it's somebody elses little chin that needs wiped!! For crying out loud, can't these miscreants just be caged and deported so we can rebuild America without their cumulative stone around its neck?... Their parents have to go too just due to the obvious nature of the genetic mud puddle they represent.

We would keep them to replace animal testing of products if it weren't for the fact they don't qualify... The reject everything!

Johntho - Norway?

@ HaggisBingo

MARK MY WORDS!!!!

You mean the words you over exaggerate and hyper-inflate everytime you post?

Consider them marked, and as useless as any further gun control will be on stopping gun violence.

ROY WILSON-

Yeah, only Obama gets to do that - Headline "Gun control: Obama to be joined by children when he unveils agenda"

here you are again, distorting the truth.

Did you know that those exact children wrote letters to President Obama to encourage him to do this????? And did you know that these children have parents who supported this because that's what they want?

Read the letters, Roy, and then YOU stop using these kids for your propaganda.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/01/kids-write-letters-to-obama-on-gun-control/

Johntho

Repo, how many mass slayings in England last year? Canada? Australia? U.S. as far as "other" violent crime, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand, and I won't argue with you about it.

That is particularly why I was asking. There's a very large difference between Mass Murder and Assault but both are classified as "violent crimes". That was why I was requesting clarification on your stance.

Of course the Emperor's silly proposals are going to be a "tough sell", because there are enough people who realize that they will do absolutely nothing to solve the violence problem. Of course, the Emperor will still have the loud, arrogant support of his mindless subjects who rant absolutely inane crap.... like chick binder. That's why I own guns, chickie, because "tolerant", "inclusive" liberals like you would like to "cage" and 'deport" me. So, go ahead and try, my hammer's cocked!

@ Johntho

Sorry my friend my guns are for defense only.

I will not start a war but I will stand up for the Constitution of the United States of America.

So if called to do so I will have no issues with doing such thing.

But you I see you running to Canada..

catch44

Background checks should start with the nuts running the NRA !!!

starting with Wayne "Warlord" LaPierre. I hear that he might have used a doctor's note stating he was not able to go to war because of psychological issues...

Joe in Albany "Lefty liberals seem to be REALLY, REALLY confused about the status of Social Security’s finances."

The vast majority of Americans are 'confused about the status of Social Security’s finances.'

Here's the reality;

Over the last 50 years (since Lyndon Johnson), the government has taken all of the money that was collected in taxes and put into each person's 'Individual Trust Account', and spent it - pretending that it's just another 'Revenue Source', and giving IOUs in return. The total to date is about $2.7 Trillion that has now been 'borrowed and spent'.

That $2.7 Trillion, which is supposed to make the Social Security system 'self sustaining' for the next 25 years isn't really there - it's been spent. What this means is that current workers will not only have to pay taxes to fund their future retirement, but they will also have to re-pay those 'borrowed' funds back as well with additional taxes - effectively paying them twice.

The really shameful thing that is happening is that Obama is using that as a 'club' to get his way in the Debt crisis by saying 'If I don't get my way, I may have to delay paying Social Security retirees so I can pay the Debt payments on time and avoid a "Default'.

The question I have is "Why is it more important to make the debt payments to the Chinese on time, but it's not important to pay back those borrowed 'Trust Funds' to retirees on time?"

It seems to me that our retired seniors, who have 'invested' in Social Security for their entire lives to have money to live on should during retirement should have a higher priority than those 'fat cat' Chinese who are taking our jobs away.

Strict constitutionalists seem inconsistent with their interpretation of the 2nd amendment. The very same posters who believe the 2nd provides constitutionally-guaranteed unlimited and unregulated access to weapons also are some of the loudest advocates of mental-health-based access restrictions. This to me is not logical - if you believe the language of the 2nd does not allow restriction of weapon types, quantities, etc.. then you would also have to concede there is nothing in the amendment that allows restriction to weapons based upon mental condition, criminal record, so on and so forth.

I sincerely believe the constitution can not stand without the government it defines (and vice-versa). Therefore the constitution and its amendments are necessarily subject to interpretation and revision. The present debate over the 2nd demonstrates this so very vividly.

bayllie "Read the letters, Roy, and then YOU stop using these kids for your propaganda."

Do you REALLY think that Obama isn't using those children as 'props' for his political agenda?

I didn't think you were quite that 'naive' - or perhaps self-serving.

@ Leatherneck --

I read your links, and surprise, surprise, they don't say what you think they say.

Unfortunately, my real job prevents me from dismantling you today. I'll save it for another.

@ Caesar --

Not at my home, the public spaces of which I don't control, but our business IS posted against firearms.

What's your point?

You think liberals are the cowards?

As Albany might say -- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Why is it, then, that the conservatives are the ones who think they need protection?

Paranoia runs deep, Taxman.

Ray wrote:

Ronald Sleisher was awakened in his home north of Neosho Rapids, Kans., by the sound of banging at the door and breaking glass. Sleisher retrieved a gun, went to investigate and discovered two intruders. Sleisher fired at the pair, striking one. The homeowner then held the other burglar at gunpoint until police could arrive.

I'll counter with a recent local story where a 21 year old male purchased a hand gun and later the same day met his estranged patrner, with whom he was having a custody battle, in a community college parking lot to turn over his son into her custody. He shot her, her uncle who drove her to the meeting, and the uncle's 12 year old daughter, who happened to be along for the ride. She and the uncle died on the scene, the 12 year old girl died last night in a local hospital. The shooter is in jail, charged with 3 counts of murder.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50490093/ns/local_news-lexington_ky/

My point is that while there are instances when a gun owner does use his firearm for self protection, instances like the one I quote are far more common, not to mention instances when a gun owner uses his weapon to end his own life. Gun rights organization like to talk about the type of instance Ray quotes, but the other type, not so much. The NRA opposes research on gun violence because the facts show that you are safer not owning a gun than you are owning one.

There are many in this country promoting a climate of fear for their own agendas. They would have us believe that we all need guns to protect ourselves, either from criminals intent on doing us harm, or from a government intent on oppressing us. We are the government, and the odds of being a victim of a crime are far lower than gun rights organization and their political allies have convinced us to be the case. We are beginning a discussion of violent video games, movies, and other forms of making violence into entertainment, but we also need to talk about the fear-mongers who showcase doomsday preppers, crime solvers, etc, who create the illusion that we are likely to be victims.

.... like chick binder. That's why I own guns, chickie, because "tolerant", "inclusive" liberals like you would like to "cage" and 'deport" me. So, go ahead and try, my hammer's cocked!

Reeducation camps.

Not at my home, the public spaces of which I don't control, but our business IS posted against firearms.

why not...put your money wear your mouth is and ante up.. Talk is cheap

Median household income (adjusted for inflation)
Then: $52,195 (Census data for 2009)
Now: $50,054 (Census data for 2011)

Americans living below the poverty level
Then: 43.6 million (Census data for 2009)
Now: 46.2 million (Census data for 2011)

Americans without health insurance
Then: 49.0 million (Census data for 2009)
Now: 48.6 million (Census data for 2011)

Americans receiving food stamps
Then: 33.5 million (average for 2009)
Now: 46.6 million (average for 2012)

Federal public debt
Then: $10.6 trillion (Jan. 20, 2009)
Now: $16.4 trillion (Jan. 14, 2013)

But by all means lets continue the political theater of gun control and ignore the problem we have had day one of this administration.

Morgs, 1

In Arizona, citizens are allowed to carry handguns without permits, and they have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation. I wonder if there's a connection?

Here's an interesting study;

http://www.catb.org/~esr/guns/gunslott.html

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

@David Walker

Thank you David. Absolutely brilliant.

Caesar Augustus

Funny, I didn't realize filthy trash cans could talk. Considering what comes out of you on a regular basis it's of no surprise. Tell you what Caesar, come after me. I welcome taking down garbage like you.

I am so looking forward to 2014. We will be taking out more of the trash in the House.

It seems to me that our retired seniors, who have 'invested' in Social Security for their entire lives to have money to live on should during retirement should have a higher priority than those 'fat cat' Chinese who are taking our jobs away.

yet, the Republicans, cowards that they are, would not even vote on the 2 bills that would change the tax code that right now REWARDS companies for sending jobs to China.

S. 3364 (Bring Jobs Home Act ) A bill to provide an incentive for businesses to bring jobs back to America.

S. 3816 (Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act ) A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to create American jobs and to prevent the offshoring of such jobs overseas.

Why are the Republicans so against rewarding companies that bring jobs back? And why do they want to CONTINUE to reward companiess that offshore? Why is that?

Jon Stewart had a very interesting piece on his show last night regarding the gun control debate. See http://www.thedailyshow.com/

There are indeed laws on the books that address many if the points put forward by the President. Many of them were in fact co-authored by the NRA.

Stewart's piece also pointed out that many of the tools available to address gun related crimes cannot be implemented. Why? Because the NRA had them specifically blocked! So, there is no national database of gun-related crimes, among other things. Perhaps the department responsible should do something about this. Stewart then pointed out that the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and FIREARMS) Department is ineffective because they are operating under a temporary director who also has another job. Congess will not approve a permanent director!

There are laws available, and there is a department and an administrive position already designated. But the Republicans and the NRA have conspired to ensure that neither can function.

Bunch of sissy LA LA"s. Nothing but a bunch of liberal sheeple parrot-speak spewing across the Internet as usual. Those of you crying about "save the children" are the worst kinks of hypocrites. That line coming from a misguided evil cult where you think nothing about someone reaching inside a womans womb to rip the head off an unborn child, or scrambling that unborn child into a creamy froth, then sucking it out with a vacuum. You murder thousands of children every year yet you use a disaster like Sandyhook to strip the constitution because your elitist gang bosses tell you to. Such a pathetic sorry, lot all of you.

Interesting observation from the Study referenced in Post #1.149;

"The potential defensive nature of guns is indicated by the different rates of so-called "hot burglaries," where residents are at home when the criminals strike (e.g., Kopel, 1992, p. 155 and Lott, 1994). Almost half the burglaries in Canada and Britain, which have tough gun control laws, are "hot burglaries." By contrast, the U.S., with laxer restrictions, has a "hot burglary" rate of only 13 percent. Consistent with this, surveys of convicted felons in America reveals that they are much more worried about armed victims than they are about running into the police. This fear of potentially armed victims causes American burglars to spend more time than their foreign counterparts "casing" a house to ensure that nobody is home. Felons frequently comment in these interviews that they avoid late-night burglaries because "that's the way to get shot."[8]"

Anna Molly

@ Leatherneck918 --

Care to provide a source? Breitbart, perhaps? And old, to boot.

Personally, I like this one --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rat

I'm just talking about gun related deaths, by the way. Not violence in general.

Anna Molly,

But isn't reducing violence the point? If we lower gun related violent crime, but overall violent crime increases, what have we accomplished?

I really don't care if a crazy may try to kill my family with a gun, a knife or a Hummer - what I care about is reducing the likelihood of the crazy making the attempt.

Based on the statistics many have posted here, it appears stricter gun controls can actually increase violent crime rates. Personally, I'd like to see some more studies to see if this is really true, but if they are, why would we change laws to effectively increase the rates of violent crimes?

bayllie "yet, the Republicans, cowards that they are, would not even vote on the 2 bills that would change the tax code that right now REWARDS companies for sending jobs to China."

Nice try at a distraction, but why should that justify Obama threatening to hold Social Security checks 'hostage', while making sure to pay the Chinese?

By the way - Companies do not get a 'REWARD' for moving their company overseas - The only REWARD is being able to make things cheaper. You make it sound like the government gives companies some kind of 'bonus' for moving, which is not the case at all - in fact, it's normally a very expensive task, but the long term benefits are expected to compensate for the high short term expenses.

Tell you what Caesar, come after me. I welcome taking down garbage like you.

where do you want to start Denni? I believe the phrase it take OUT not down. and begin Alpha Male

Q22 you're right. Those figures represent what happened from Day One of the President's term. See he inherited the mess from Bush and is working to fix it. You don't stop food stamps to people without jobs - you know, the platform the Republicans ran on in 2010 then promptly dropped as soon as they got into office.

All of the increases are a result of the mess Bush left. Remember, we bled 700,000 jobs the last month he was in office - were losing about that many for several months before. Now, we're gaining jobs, slowly but we're gaining. And, had the Republicans in Congress not refused to even look at the jobs proposals the President put forth - 7 of them - we would be doing better.

So, when you're pointing fingers at the mess we have now - point them at the Republicans in Congress who are at fault. Oh, that's right - doesn't fit your idiotic agenda does it?

Bayllie, Wayne militant LaPierre has more than psychological issues, its goes way beyond that, this dude is a loose cannon !!!

Sabbot & Heat and other gun advocates

OK, I get it, violence is inevitable, but, nothing about those dead kids bothers you enough to want to try something? Stricter DUI laws have cut down on deaths by drunk drivers, so why not try some of these things? I do not see anything the President (and he is not alone in this) that really stops you from being able to have as many damn guns as you want. You just might not be able to buy a particular thing. Would that harm you so much?

I am glad we are a well armed society and I think people should have the right to buy as many guns as they can afford but to not have any kind of limitations on the kinds of weapons and maybe making it a little harder to get your hands on one illegally will help; why not try it?

A "Tough Sell" ? LOL ! I guess that $elling $hit in a paper bag is a pretty tough sell ... but Obama has SO MUCH EXPERIENCE doing that !!!

Where are the spending cuts, Mr. President ? You campaigned on a "balanced approach" of increased taxes for the wealthy along with spending cuts .... where are the cuts Mr. Obama ?? Did you LIE yet again ???

Johntho,

I think your earlier comment was correct as well.

The U.S. is the most violent country of all industrialized countries -- with more guns deaths than all of them COMBINED.

Lil Michelle wrote:

In 2013 ALREADY, there have been 22 murders in Chicago, a city with the TOP GUN RESTRICTIONS in the country. Anyone that can explain how having tough gun laws will solve this problem needs to tell me why Chicago is having such a hard time....

ignoring the fact that Chicago's handgun murder has gone up markedly since the US Supreme Court ruled Chicago's handgun ban unconstitutional in 2010.

Oh, Roy, Roy, Roy. Reading your daily posts is certainly an exercise is keeping up my skills at rolling my eyes. It makes me wonder if, during the 60s, in your never ending pursuit of following Alice down the rabbit hole, you dropped far to many tabs of acid. Let's begin by clearly stating, this is NOT REALITY:

Here's the reality;

Over the last 50 years (since Lyndon Johnson), the government has taken all of the money that was collected in taxes and put into each person's 'Individual Trust Account',

However, you do ask an interesting but very misguided question at the end of your World According to Roy Fable.

The question I have is "Why is it more important to make the debt payments to the Chinese on time, but it's not important to pay back those borrowed 'Trust Funds' to retirees on time?"

Roy, the question should really be, how does the government prioritize who gets paid first. Is it fair to pay retirees before Federal employees. After all, employees are needed to cut the checks for both groups of people. Employees take care of those nuclear silos; do we let them walk off the job, allowing any rouge nut job ready access to the most dangerous weapons? Do we tell our troops engaged in combat to lay down their arms and start walking and/or hitching rides home? Do we put our naval fleet on autopilot and hope the ships sail around the world without crashing into anyone? Do we shut down all the airports and tell folks good luck getting home? Do we just turn off Boulder dam, and leave the entire South west (some 60 million people) without electricity, which in turn, forces the closure of all business, causing mass unemployment, causing an economic meltdown?

So see Roy, stopping payment to retirees, causes a financial meltdown; to Federal employees, causes a financial meltdown; to the Chinese and other countries that hold about 20% of our debt, causes a financial meltdown.

Here is a question Roy - why is it the GOP are hell bent on stopping the government from paying its obligations? Any way you look it at it, it results in a fiscal/financial disaster.

It is ironic that the NRA believes that people having access to these semi-automatic man toys that can shoot 2 to 3 bullets per second is more important than the increased death toll that these weapons are capable of producing in the hands of a deranged killer or terrorist.

Common sense dictates that these weapons should only be available to those in the business of killing large numbers of people since that is their main purpose. Personally, I find that target shooting 2 to 3 bullets per second at a cost of early $.50 each ($1 to $1.50 per second) makes these weapons impractical for target shooting. You're not allowed to hunt with them, so what use do they have except for mass killing?

ROY WILSON-336103

In Arizona, citizens are allowed to carry handguns without permits, and they have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation. I wonder if there's a connection?

where do you get your info? Do you just pull it out of your azz?

AZ 2011 (latest data):

page 20

http://www.azdps.gov/About/Reports/docs/Crime_In_Arizona_Report_2011.pdf

Arizona doesn't even make the top 15 when it comes to "safest states to live in."

JOHNTHO,

Homicides by any method -

Canada:

In 2009, 610 deaths.

In 2008, 611 deaths.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/canada

Bill-314065

Sabbot & Heat and other gun advocates

OK, I get it, violence is inevitable, but, nothing about those dead kids bothers you enough to want to try something? Stricter DUI laws have cut down on deaths by drunk drivers, so why not try some of these things?

Of course everyone wants to try and prevent kids getting killed - that's not the question. The question is, what's the most effective approach? A number of links posted on these boards have statistics that say, at least in some cases, stricter gun control laws have actually resulted in more violent crimes - not less.

Personally, I'm not sure if gun control changes will help or hurt...but I'd rather take a few months and do some real (objective) studies to make that determination, and not risk making a bad emotional decision today.

catch44

Bayllie, Wayne militant LaPierre has more than psychological issues, its goes way beyond that, this dude is a loose cannon !!!

Did you write about this yesterday? I wanted to give credit to whoever brought it up but couldn't remember who wrote it but you avatar looks familiar.

*** The raw “then” vs. “now” data:

Unemployment rate
Then: 7.8% (Jan. 2009)
Now: 7.8% (Dec. 2012)

Americans who believe the country is headed in the right direction
Then: 26% of adults (Jan. 2009 NBC/WSJ poll)
Now: 41% of adults (Dec. 2012 NBC/WSJ poll)

Median household income (adjusted for inflation)
Then: $52,195 (Census data for 2009)
Now: $50,054 (Census data for 2011)

Americans living below the poverty level
Then: 43.6 million (Census data for 2009)
Now: 46.2 million (Census data for 2011)

Americans receiving food stamps
Then: 33.5 million (average for 2009)
Now: 46.6 million (average for 2012)

Federal public debt
Then: $10.6 trillion (Jan. 20, 2009)
Now: $16.4 trillion (Jan. 14, 2013)

Number of Democrats in U.S. House of Representatives
Then: 257 (2009)
Now: 201 (2013)

Number of Democrats (plus independents caucusing with Dems) in U.S. Senate
Then: 58 (Jan. 2009)
Now: 55 (Jan. 2013)

Number of Democratic governors
Then: 28 (2009)
Now: 19 (2013)

Happy 49th birthday First Lady!

CA

Bring it you low information clown. You have spewed hatred on the Vine for months and we have never seen even a small bit of truth out of you.

Here you go idiot. This country pays it's bills. Maybe you're OK with a default but that's your problem. So tell us, what part of the total debt of this country is owned by the Chinese? Can you name the number or do you just throw that crap out hoping nobody will ask. It's 1.6 trillion. That is what you're crowing about. You have nothing CA, you are nothing.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/04/who-do-owe-most-that-16-trillion-to-hint-it-isnt-china/

I don't know what all you gun grabbing liberal milquetoasts are so upbeat about?...

Obama tucked his tail, rolled over, and exposed his belly because he knows that neither a ban on semi-auto rifles nor a ban on standard capacity magazines 10, 20 30 rounds) will ever get through congress.

I do agree with some of the 23 executive orders like:

Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

SeekingSanity,

You'd think that after 4 years of Obama policies you'd finally give up on the blame Bush mantra. Sad that you are still stuck on that narrative. The point is that Obama seems to be able to act decisively on an issue like guns but has been befuddled about how to grow the economy. He can't put forth a clear fiscal policy (at least one that doesn't create a bigger deficit problem) and he can't negotiate with Congress. But he sure gets jacked up on the political theater du jour..

ROY WILSON-336103

Nice try at a distraction, but why should that justify Obama threatening to hold Social Security checks 'hostage', while making sure to pay the Chinese?

show me a video of Obama saying it. PLEEEAAASE show me.

because this is what he said:

MR. OBAMA: I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it. [CBS News, CBS Evening News, 7/12/11, via CBSNews.com]

but Rabid Faux News made it into this:

"Obama Threatens To Hold Up Social Security Checks."

Roy, really?

By the way - Companies do not get a 'REWARD' for moving their company overseas - The only REWARD is being able to make things cheaper.

there is only one type of reward for companies - FINANCIAL. When they get to move jobs to countries where labor is CHEAP - I mean cheap, while writing off all associated with the move expenses - it's an incentive. And an incentive is a reward.

You make it sound like the government gives companies some kind of 'bonus' for moving,

yes, they do - as a tax write off

RedDevPS "Roy, the question should really be, how does the government prioritize who gets paid first. Is it fair to pay retirees before Federal employees"

The government expects to take in about $2.9 Trillion this year - The cost of paying Social Security recipients and Federal workers is only about 35% of that, leaving lots of money for other uses - Why should retirees, who absolutely depend on their retirement check, be at the bottom of the list for payment? Do you think that's 'fair' just because it's easy for Obama to pick on them?

It is ironic that the NRA believes that people having access to these semi-automatic man toys that can shoot 2 to 3 bullets per second is more important than the increased death toll that these weapons are capable of producing in the hands of a deranged killer or terrorist.

No semi-automatic rifle or pistol shoots 2-3 rounds a second. They all shoot once every time the trigger is pulled and no one has that fast of a trigger finger.

back -- many in business have been faced with the prospect of having to deliver some ideas but not sure really what might work. casually this is called throwing "stuff" against the wall and seeing what sticks.

biden seems to have adopted this same approach.

Q22 - you'd think after the Republican Party found their declaration of obstructing EVERYTHING the President proposed - on day one of his 1st term - totally didn't work, they'd now be working WITH him to move the country forward. You'd think that but of course we all know that isn't the case. Boehner and his cronies are still obstructing EVERYTHING they can - to hell with the country!

Try putting the blame where it belongs - John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell, Michelle Bachman, etc!

bayllie "ROY WILSON-336103 You make it sound like the government gives companies some kind of 'bonus' for moving,..................yes, they do - as a tax write off.

That's not a 'REWARD', that just another business expense, which have always been a deductible expense, like when you get paid.

fielden . . .

Jon Stewart had a very interesting piece on his show last night regarding the gun control debate. See http://www.thedailyshow.com/

I agree. Jon's show last night was very informative. Interesting that the ATF has been so controlled by the House. So much so that they cannot do the jobs that we think they are doing for us. Not only is the Director a temp director, they have had the same number of agents for what ... 30 years?

SS if Obama was a leader he could get them to work together but seeing your God Obama is not a leader well you see what is happening.

Plus he is not moving forward he is going backwards.

The Republican Party is trying to control the mess Obama is making so when a real leader gets into office Dem or Rep they don't have to fix all the crap Obama is trying to do...

Impeach Obama!!!!!!!!!!

ROY WILSON-336103

Do you think that's 'fair' just because it's easy for Obama to pick on them?

why don't you shut off Fox News and actually do some research before you post more of the same sh*t:

the Bipartisan Policy Center estimates the Treasury will default on nearly half its financial obligations. Jay Powell, the former Under Secretary to the Treasury under President George H.W. Bush and current visiting scholar at the Bipartisan Policy Center, talked with CBS MoneyWatch about what will happen -- and who will get paid first -- if Congress cannot agree on a plan.

MW: So who gets paid first?

JP: Interest on the debt will have the highest priority. It is unthinkable that we would fail to do so. Beyond that there's really no way to know.There are an almost infinite number of alternatives. It is possible to pay all the safety net payments out of income and cash flow. If you do that, though, you don't have a dollar for the national defense and you don't have any money to run the justice department, so the FBI doesn't operate, the courts don't operate, and the federal prisons close down. You open up the doors and let everybody go. That can't happen. The government has to pay for the defense establishment, the justice department and all these other departments. These are not trivial activities of government. But any way you play the game, you can't cut spending by 44 percent overnight without cutting very popular and important programs.

read the entire article:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-46840468/debt-ceiling-debacle-who-gets-paid-first/

Q22 - you'd think after the Republican Party found their declaration of obstructing EVERYTHING the President proposed - on day one of his 1st term - totally didn't work, they'd now be working WITH him to move the country forward. You'd think that but of course we all know that isn't the case. Boehner and his cronies are still obstructing EVERYTHING they can - to hell with the country!

Obama had nearly two years to get whatever he wanted. He had a complete majority in the House and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Republicans could stop NOTHING!. Boehner tried to negotiate a big deal but, with a deal nearly completed, Obama blew the whole thing up with a last minute demand for double the tax revenue. Blame Republicans all you want but the unfortunate truth is that this President has no interest in working with Republicans and has no answers as to how to grow the economy. We are in for 4 more years of bumping along the bottom.

ROY WILSON-336103

That's not a 'REWARD', that just another business expense, which have always been a deductible expense, like when you get paid.

duh, Roy. That's the point.

Corporations get to use "taking jobs from US" as a deduction. So not only US citizens lose jobs, they pay for that in lost tax revenue. That's why the 2 bills were introduced which were killed by the Republicans so they would not have to vote AGAINST them. COWARDS.

If a company wants to offshore, they can but minus the deduction.

Close the offshoring tax loophole - I don't know how much clearer I can make this for you.

bayllie "ROY WILSON-336103 where do you get your info? Do you just pull it out of your azz?............AZ 2011 (latest data):"

How about comparing Arizona crime rates with Chicago crime rates, with Chicago having some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, but only about 40% as many people as in Arizona.

Statistics are meaningless without a context.

As Rachel Maddow states..."all these idiots are trolls, looking to see who can make the most outrageous statement to get attention".

When confronted with fact they run another line of misconception, use inflammatory language, scare tactics and use money to try and skew the truth.

So take what these idiots (trolls) say with a grain of salt. Your not going to convince them of what is fact.

Johntho

BCWC, they don't have to go that far, they get their guns legally in Indiana, and WI, and Iowa. just a few minutes away from downtown.

Johnthro... YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG!

I live in Illinois. I am a LEGAL gun owner and carry the FOID (Firearm Owner ID) Card that the state requires me to have. (which btw... they charged me $10 for and it costs the $14 to process... any idea why they are broke?)

In Illinois, you are prohibited from purchasing a gun of ANY kind in another state. ALL purchases have to be made through a licensed Illinois Gun Dealer.

That INCLUDES internet purchases.

I live near St. Louis and if I cross the state line into Missouri to purchase a gun, I have to have that gun transferred from the Missouri dealer to a licensed Illinois dealer... where the purchase is completed. I cannot leave the store in Missouri with the gun - the dealers do the transfer and I get charged a $50 fee for the transfer.

You are either an idiot talking out of your ass or an outright liar!

Either way... in your statement we once again find the liberal left making up LIES to try and scare the uneducated public into complying with the lefty view of how things should be. Don't be fooled people!

bayllie "ROY WILSON-336103 ...why don't you shut off Fox News and actually do some research before you post more of the same sh*t: MW: So who gets paid first?...........JP: Interest on the debt will have the highest priority. It is unthinkable that we would fail to do so."

The payments to Social Security recipients are the single biggest part of the Debt payments, so why 'stiff' them just to pay the Chinese? We owe about $1 Trillion to the Chinese, but we owe about $2.7 Trillion to the Social Security recipients and their 'Trust Funds'.

I listen to a variety of news programs - perhaps you should get more of a 'Fair and Balanced' coverage of the issues, instead of just the Liberal perspective.

David Walker, did you serve in the military? I did. Why do you believe you have the right to tell the american people what they should or shouldn't have?

Will you come to my house to take my guns away from me? I am the people and I am not getting really,really angry at gun owners.You should mind your own business and let me take care of mine. If you think you want to visit me and tell me what I should do, let me know.I will make arrangements.

Steve-3564331

As Rachel Maddow states..."all these idiots are trolls, looking to see who can make the most outrageous statement to get attention".

When confronted with fact they run another line of misconception, use inflammatory language, scare tactics and money to try and skew the truth.

So take what these idiots say with a grain of salt. Your not going to convince them of what is fact.

"The Stupids, otherwise known as federal Republican lawmakers, just can’t seem to do anything wrong, , the party’s mistress of mockery. But it’s so much easier to go after these winners when Michael Steele, the party’s outgoing chairman, stops by to play in the sandbox. “Republicans right now are not just off message, they are at war with themselves,” opines Rachel Maddow ….

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bayllie "ROY WILSON-336103 You make it sound like the government gives companies some kind of 'bonus' for moving,..................yes, they do - as a tax write off.

Even if they get a tax deduction, it still costs them a lot of money - For example, if it costs a company $100 Million to move overseas, and they get a tax write-off of 35%, it still costs them a net of $650,000 to make the move. The cost of producing in a foreign country will still have that $650,000 to absorb before they get a profit. They have to have a LOT of savings to make up for all of that extra expense.

Gotta go to work now - Bye, and have a nice day :)

shaak322

It is ironic that the NRA believes that people having access to these semi-automatic man toys that can shoot 2 to 3 bullets per second...

Ladies and gentlemen...

THIS idiot has demonstrated PERFECTLY the issue... The left thinks it is actually possible for a SEMI-AUTOMATIC gun to shoot 2 to 3 bullets per second...

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

ONLY IF YOU CAN PULL THE TRIGGER THAT FAST - which is no different than if you were firing a revolver!

These dumb-asses don't understand the difference between a SEMI automatic and a FULLY automatic gun.

If they had ever FIRED one of those guns they MIGHT understand how stupid their statements are.

Hello Feisty, Haggis, Silverton, RI Mom and to the rest of the crowd that can not see that you are fighting a clarion call by the Administration to eliminate the 2nd Amendment. The reason our Administration is so concerned with an armed citizenry is because they know what is coming around the corner.

The battle of the century as Feisty puts it is not the gun debate but the debt bubble debate. Once people realize the extent and resultant inevitable collapse of our financial system their attention will be turned to reforming the financial system in a more equitable manner. We aren't 16.3 Trillion in debt we are 222 Trillion in debt with no possibility of ever paying it off in the Fractional Reserve Banking system model. It's not going to be Armageddon or a Mad Max landscape but people awakening to the fact that we have been economic slaves and it doesn't have to be that way. It's an illusion, a means to keep you down trodden and controlled.

The booms and busts are manipulated by the banksters. It's not by accident or bad luck it's rigged and manipulated and creates the illusion of scarcity. Look at the 800 Trillion Libor Interest Rate Rigging scandal or the High Frequency Trading algorithms used to rig the Ponzi Stock Market. People are waking up to these manipulations and scandals and that's what worries the current Power Structure. A disarmed population is easier to manipulate.

The international banking elite with tacit approval from Democrats and Republicans has given the world the 1.4 Quadrillion in Derivatives Fraud, the HSBC and Wells Fargo Drug Laundering fraud, the MF Global fraud, the PFG fraud, the High Frequency trading pilfering and Stock Market fraud, the manipulation of the Precious Metals and Bond Market fraud, the MERS Mortgage fraud, nearly countless individual frauds from both Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan, and the international 800 Trillion LIBOR interest rate fixing banking fraud, just to name but a few recent FRAUDS and breaches of Bankster credibility and trustworthiness.

The sheeple will call this paranoia, conspiracy or what ever adjective to keep their fragile sensibilities in a comatose state as ignorance is bliss compared to facing reality. What is abundantly clear is that their is a mass awakening, you can see it all across the globe. They are tired of the banksters and elite controlling their physical and economic environment and are fed up.

The Fiscal Cliff, the Debt Ceiling, the Trillion Dollar Deficits, the European Debt Crisis, those ships have sailed long ago. They are simply reminders that under the current Federal Reserve System we are deemed insolvent. The system has collapsed not our planets ability to take care of humanity's needs. When people realize this they are going to be pissed off that's the main reason the Powers That Were are worried! They are afraid we will understand that we can zero out all the debt and take control of our currency. At the end of the day the Federal Reserve is a private corporation and their debts belong to them just like any other corporation.

Check out what our economics look like under the Federal Reserve's Fractional Reserve Banking System.

www.usdebtclock.org

True Sick so true

Jody you usually don't answer hard question but lets try once more.

"Backhouse, well said! President Obama and VP Biden have proposed reasonable, logical, sensible laws aimed at diminishing the number of gun massacres in this country."

How is universal back ground checks, reasonable, logical or sensible?

For example if a person lets call them your partner had a gun and wanted to sell it to your neighbor, how would that back ground check work? Could your partner even legally do a background check on your neighbor? Or would your local police have to do it and how is that going to be funded?

Or how about the situation where a gun is inherited from father to child?

And finally how do your explain the large numbers of democrats that don't agree with your?

Seeking blaming the minority again, I bet you blamed the Slaves for Slavery also huh?

Perhaps Congress could subpoena Alex Jones and have him present his expert testimony on the subject.

@ Tom

Um you do know that Africans did sell their own into slavery don't you?

[where do you want to start Denni?]

Go get 'em, killer...

ROY WILSON-336103

How about comparing Arizona crime rates with Chicago crime rates

that's not what you said, and I qute (post #1.149)

In Arizona, citizens are allowed to carry handguns without permits, and they have one of the lowest crime rates in the nation. I wonder if there's a connection?

you can't support your made up statistic so you change the samples?

You cannot compare a state to a large city - EVER. You really have no understanding of basic statistical concepts.

ROY WILSON-336103

Even if they get a tax deduction, it still costs them a lot of money

who gives a f*ck??? A company wants to offshore - that's their business but don't expect the taxpayer to help pay for it.

end the offshoring tax loophole. PERIOD.

Gotta go to work now

what about all the times you said you were retired?????????????

BLAHBLAHBLAH......Looks like the gang of 545 are giving the common folk another something to bicker about to distract them from the real issues! The stats in the story above are very miserable so you libs that are stroking each other over some sort of success are delusional. Most critical things on that list are worse so why the celebration? Barry has failed to do ANYTHING he has said! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!! THE FACTS ARE THERE, WRITTEN BY YOUR LIBERAL BIASED SITE, YET YOU STILL DON'T GET IT!! YOUR PARTY IS DOOMED!!

Um you do know Laser I didn't type blacks or African's, I typed SLAVES!

Sick of the Bickering

According to experts familiar with the AR-15, in semi-automatic mode which is what is available without modification, with practice a shooter can achieve well over 3 rounds per second without bump firing which can achieve a higher rate. Of course, it depends on how fast your trigger finger is.

bayllie, is a deduction now considered, the tax payer paying for something?

I thought tax credits (money actually going from the Government to company/individual) were the tax payer paying.

example if I write off my cell phone as a work expense, that is the tax payers paying for my phone?

I am not arguing your point on off shoring, just your use of words.

Tom the last time I check African's was the ones called slaves. I did not know there was others. Can you provide a link to educate me on this?

@Shaak322

Can you provide proof of these so called experts that can achieve this. I say I am very good with one and I just don't see that. I have been shooting for over 20 years and hard for me to do that.

And by saying:

According to experts familiar with the AR-15

Sounds as if you have proof..

shaak and Sick,

You could unload a Glock 17 with a 17 shot magazine right around 2.5 seconds. Most couldn't that fast.

But what you absolutely have to remember is High speed shooting and accurate high speed shooting are two different things.

laser, of course you wouldn't understand the point that I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make was Seeking was blaming the "The Slaves" for Slavery, not the people selling the others, but the actual Slave.

But here is a link to Slavery prior to your knowledge of history.

http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/plaintexthistories.asp?historyid=ac41

Oh ok Tom did not catch that..

And thanks for the link I guess there are more slaves than I thought or never thought about the old old old days.

Thanks for the education love to learn..

unoitall

The figures suggest nothing more than a recovery, all be it slow it is still there (dates are just as important to note as figures).

Let us not forget that it was the Bush administration that sent us down this rosey path. It would not have mattered which party won the White House after Bush. He went to congress with his evil-doers & WMD's put two wars on credit and congress gave big ass breaks to wall street and gutted Federal oversight on banks. Again let us not forget it wouldn't matter which party was in control we would still be faced with this situation.

The better name for the Republican party at this time should be the Obstructionist Party.

Don't try and sell be the bill of goods that our President hasn't passed a budget......That hasn't been done in 6 years and is the responsibility of Congress, and not a function of the Executive branch, as he can only purpose a budget and laws for that matter.

So that makes the Republican party responsible for our current debt, as they have control over the check book. Show me where they don't have it (control over fiscal maters) and I'll show you where you can get prime real estate for 1.99 an acre.

Congress had a two year break from the Republican control and started getting things back on track., Notice not one Republican turned down any of the Stimulus money. Look at the Republican controlled states.....They pay the lowest in Federal taxes and yet get back more than they put in......how is that fair to the rest of the nation? The Republican party will do and say anything to try and make the President look bad.....At any cost.

Remember when Bush was in office if anyone said anything against his policies you where tagged as anti American.....How is what your doing any different?

Re draw the district lines in the Democrat favor or start some voter blocking, pull the same crap and see if the Obstructionist Party doesn't pitch a bitch and call for blood.

You Noecon's are a joke....and everyone knows it.

lasertroll.

First, I heard 2 to 3 rounds per second in one of the many stories I've listened to since the school shooting. When challenged on veracity of this statement, I googled "rounds per second, AR-15" and checked 3 different sites that answered the question some years ago. In Shooting Times, they even offered for sale a "slide fire stock" that could increase firing rate to 400 to 800 rounds per minute.

It is hardly the kind of technology that any yahoo can purchase, but some gun enthusiasts can never get enough of these high performance weapons.

@ shaak322

Oh I see ok to me that don't sound like a semi automatic but an automatic.

Have you shot any automatics? I have in the Army and it is a rush. But not needed for protection.

I like my semi just fine.

Tom - Plymouth-3672298

bayllie, is a deduction now considered, the tax payer paying for something?

yes when it's as useless as an offshoring expense deduction loophole. Why? Without it, the company will not be able to lower their pretax income.

I thought tax credits (money actually going from the Government to company/individual) were the tax payer paying.

tax credit and tax deduction are 2 different things

example if I write off my cell phone as a work expense, that is the tax payers paying for my phone?

tax code loopholes allow companies to deduct business expenses when calculating their tax liability. Less tax liability = less tax revenue.

a tax loophole does not equal to a legitimate business expense (i.e. business phone)

why not end offshoring loopholes (that eliminate jobs in the US) and add tax deductions that will reward companies that bring jobs back to the US???? why are you guys so against closing such loopholes????

To add, many of America's largest corporations and wealthiest individuals use accounting gimmicks to shift profits made in America to offshore tax havens, where they pay little to no taxes. This tax avoidance costs the federal government an estimated $150 billion in tax revenue each year.

Maybe then, we could start rewarding companies the play by the book in the US instead of rewarding the cheaters?

CA

Bring it you low information clown. You have spewed hatred on the Vine for months and we have never seen even a small bit of truth out of you.

Here you go idiot. This country pays it's bills. Maybe you're OK with a default but that's your problem. So tell us, what part of the total debt of this country is owned by the Chinese? Can you name the number or do you just throw that crap out hoping nobody will ask. It's 1.6 trillion. That is what you're crowing about. You have nothing CA, you are nothing.

talking about Chinese and default... 1.6 trillion?? I havent discussed the debt or anything let alone throw around wild numbers numbers. mighty tough words through the interent..Its almost like youve been hangin with my pal Mickey in NY.

Go get 'em, killer...

oh Touche' LOL

Also, all gun owners should be drug tested.

Out of your league again, or just another case of not knowing when to quit? You're more than half-way down the thread...slow day? Must be slumming. You only have about 25 posts and it's 3:00 your time. Speed it up!

By the way, need that sack caesar? You know...to carry your ass around in?

So, have you read NY's new legislation?

Here's the website for Americans for Responsible Solutions.

http://americansforresponsiblesolutions.org/

Anyone who is interested in joining the millions of voices across America that are crying out for reasonable and rational gun control, can sign up and let their voice be heard as well.

Individually we can make a difference, but together we can make a world of difference!

Johntho,

Try reading MORE than this stupid bias website, especially if you're going to espouse the crime in another country, you might learn something.

I do read foreign newspapers daily, because I can often find more unbiased articles about AMERICAN news than I can in our own local rags. In fact, in a ton of cases, you can be reading the articles and not notice that they have THE EXACT SAME URBAN ISSUES WE DO. I live in a suburb of Los Angeles, you could exchange L.A. for London or vise versa and you wouldn't be the wiser. In fact, England is full of gangs, illegals, criminals and the like.

If we can have "Warrantless" Wire Taps FORCED on us then we can have UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS. period

Angela, start reading the Toronto Star, and as far as that goes the govt. has a website for crime stats, I have been there and I don't believe you for a second. Canada is virtually crime free compared to our cities and towns. As far as England, very little gun violence compared to ours and in Australia crime has dropped considerably since the gun ban. Try the truth Angela, its good for the soul.

In Ohio districts, as an example, 75% of Representatives elected are GOP. If half the money the DNC spent on Obama had been spent on congressional races in Ohio at least 3 additional Democrat representatives would have been elected which would have been a 6 vote swing in the House. In my view Obama still would have carried the presidential race in Ohio since districts where GOP congressional candidates won were districts where Obama lost anyway.

The DNC put too many eggs in the Obama basket.

The guns stance by Obama yesterday will anchor all GOP representatives to the Congress for years to come, and should cause growth of GOP representation in 2014. Bucking the Second Ammendment rights held dear by over 200 million proud, voting, American gun owners will be more galvanizing than even Obamacare in 2010.

lasertroll

ThomasGrande,

The AR-15 was not used sorry to tell you they just want you to believe that so Obama can take guns away.

There is a news video on you tube you need to go watch it.

The news helicopter was watching the car when the cops open the trunk and guess what they pulled out yep the AR-15 they said that was used. And then you see the cops unloading it.

So they have lied to you and to the American people and used the death of those kids for their own agenda...

So now go watch it then tell me what you see.

This is nothing more than an Obama way to be a dictator take the guns away then he will have the control.

#1.53

The gun they found in the trunk was a shotgun with a pistol grip. At least to later reports.

Steve-3564331

unoitall

The figures suggest nothing more than a recovery, all be it slow it is still there (dates are just as important to note as figures).

Let us not forget that it was the Bush administration that sent us down this rosey path. It would not have mattered which party won the White House after Bush. He went to congress with his evil-doers & WMD's put two wars on credit and congress gave big ass breaks to wall street and gutted Federal oversight on banks. Again let us not forget it wouldn't matter which party was in control we would still be faced with this situation.

The better name for the Republican party at this time should be the Obstructionist Party.

Don't try and sell be the bill of goods that our President hasn't passed a budget......That hasn't been done in 6 years and is the responsibility of Congress, and not a function of the Executive branch, as he can only purpose a budget and laws for that matter.

So that makes the Republican party responsible for our current debt, as they have control over the check book. Show me where they don't have it (control over fiscal maters) and I'll show you where you can get prime real estate for 1.99 an acre.

Congress had a two year break from the Republican control and started getting things back on track., Notice not one Republican turned down any of the Stimulus money. Look at the Republican controlled states.....They pay the lowest in Federal taxes and yet get back more than they put in......how is that fair to the rest of the nation? The Republican party will do and say anything to try and make the President look bad.....At any cost.

Remember when Bush was in office if anyone said anything against his policies you where tagged as anti American.....How is what your doing any different?

Re draw the district lines in the Democrat favor or start some voter blocking, pull the same crap and see if the Obstructionist Party doesn't pitch a bitch and call for blood.

You Noecon's are a joke....and everyone knows it.

#1.211 -

Better do a little fact checking on that "Rosey Path". Yeah Bush was in the White House, and even warned Congress on several occasions. My opinion is he should have done more though. But this is the Democrats deal all the way through, and it started with Clinton and the Reinvestment in Communities Act of 94, (before Republicans took Congress)

.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/hey-barney-frank-the-government-did-cause-the-housing-crisis/249903/

.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/sam-dealey/2008/09/23/barney-frank-fesses-up-on-financial-crisis

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574475110152189446.html

Lets have a violence tax on hollyweird movies. Lets say if they make a violent movie the first murder is a freebie.

After that a $100,000 fee is levied for each murder portrayed in the film where a gun is used.

$75,000 if a bomb is used.

$50,000 for all other acts of violent murder are portrayed.

On top of that lets have a gun shot fee impossed on them as well. For each time a gun is fired in a movie there should be a $10,000 tax.

Each time a gun is portrayed in a life threatening measure then they would have to pay a $5,000 tax.

So on and so forth. Of course we really are not going to call this a tax but instead we shall refer to

as a fee.

sittingonafence

Lets have a violence tax on hollyweird movies. Lets say if they make a violent movie the first murder is a freebie.

movies don't kill people, guns do. You don't want your kids exposed to movies/games? SHUT THE TV OFF and don't buy any games. It is that simple.

Bayllie,

But the money is for the kids. And it is the kids who don't turn off the violence who go out as adults and do these mass shootings. So do it for the kids otherwise you are just a heartless kid hating racist bigot from the black lagoon.

Hollyweird needs to pay their fair share for the violence they have brought upon the public thru their movies. No more hiding behind their so called artistic cloaks while reaping millions for their violence.

bayllie "what about all the times you said you were retired?????????????"

I've been retired since February 2004 (9 years) - sometimes I wonder how I found time to go to work, but not having to go to work doesn't mean that I don't have to do some work around the house. My wife has a big 'Honeydo' list to complete before we move to Costa Rica.

The payments to Social Security recipients are the single biggest part of the Debt payments, so why 'stiff' them just to pay the Chinese? We owe about $1 Trillion to the Chinese, but we owe about $2.7 Trillion to the Social Security recipients and their 'Trust Funds'.

Roy (and Albany Joe), Do you really need to ask this? That may be the reason Republicans' can't get elected to President these days.

Why stiff them? Because it will make Republicans look like fools. If Republicans want to cut spending, but never will include anything but domestic spending and entitlements, then the President will pick and choose whatever makes Republicans pay for their stupid ideas. We keep going thru the same debate and end up with Republicans looking like complete fools. Maybe you can let us know why Republicans always keep doing that? BTW, everyone knows it's politics but they will always blame the ones playing the most politics....the Republicans.

Roy writes: Statistics are meaningless without a context.

Hell has just frozen over! Roy actually wrote that all his statistics need context.......Wow!

Rey Writes: Without a gun this woman and her kids would be dead.

Homeowner foils pair of burglars, KVOE, Emporia, Kans. 01/02/13
Posted on January 3, 2013

Around 4 a.m., Ronald Sleisher was awakened in his home north of Neosho Rapids, Kans., by the sound of banging at the door and breaking glass. Sleisher retrieved a gun, went to investigate and discovered two intruders. Sleisher fired at the pair, striking one. The homeowner then held the other burglar at gunpoint until police could arrive.
The wounded home invader was taken to a local hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. (KVOE, Emporia, Kans. 01/02/13)

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No, let me give you one:

Oct 14, 2012 5:14pm

Teen Shot in Head During Home Invasion Prank

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A 15-year-old Alabama boy is in critical condition today after he was shot in the head by a friend during prank that police said went terribly wrong.

Jesse Rainey, 15, and seven male friends were spending the weekend at an unoccupied home that belonged to the grandmother of one of the boys, when a few of the teens decided to prank their friends by faking a home intrusion, Colbert County Sheriff Ronnie May told ABCNews.com.

“One of the young men cut the lights to the house, then a few of the other guys snuck back inside, wanting their friends to believe there was an intruder,” May said.

The teens were in the process of using flashlights to find the switch box, when Rainey jumped out of a closet.

His rattled friend immediately dropped a video game and fired a shot into Rainey’s head with a .38 caliber hand gun.

May called the shooting “accidental” and said after interviewing all of the boys and conferring with the district attorney’s office, no charges will be filed. Drugs and alcohol were also not a factor in the shooting.

The teens called 911 at 3:30 a.m. Saturday. Dispatchers were unable to find the home, which is off the beaten path, on a map, so the boys put Rainey in the bed of a pickup truck and drove him 10 minutes to a Midway convenience store. They were met there by sheriff’s deputies and a medical team, May said.

Rainey was taken to Helen Keller Hospital, where he was stabilized before being transferred to the Children’s Hospital in Birmingham, Ala.

May said the boys are all close friends who attend Colbert Heights High School together.

“This was a prank that went terribly wrong,” he said.

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