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"In his later years. I think we have to take that into account." – Erich Pratt, head of Gun Owners of America, referring to Ronald Reagan’s support for the 1994 assault-weapons ban on MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell Reports.
Ex-Presidents Reagan, Gerald Ford, and Jimmy Carter sent a letter in 1994 to all House members urging them to support the assault-weapons ban.
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I heard him on Andrea Mitchell's show, he stopped at calling Saint Reagan "senile"! LOL
All this time I was under the impression there was a sacred right wing document right wingers had to sign in blood pledging not to speak ill of Ronnie Raygun?
Thank you Mr. Gun Nut for reminding us Republicans do indeed cannibalize their own...
OUCH!
Feisty,
How quickly do they turn on their own when it fits. And I thought Reagan was a Republican HERO. Who's next, Lincoln?
Nasty Dumbfux: In 1994 he was in his eighties and likely was becoming senile.
What's your excuse for your posts??
My dx is you suffer from the incurable mental illness of liberalism, which only gets worse over time. Thus, the term "progressive".
BTW, even Barry's ClunkerCare can't cure an incurable mental illness. So sorry.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow....just taking a p*ss on everyone are we NRA....college students, movie goers, general public, congressmen, teachers, dead Presidents, 1st graders....just p*ss on all of them huh?
ANYONE who gives hard earned money to this organization is an IDIOT. Plain and simple.
Joe in Albany
Nasty Dumbfux: In 1994 he was in his eighties and likely was becoming senile.
What's your excuse for your posts??
My bet is the incurable mental illness of liberalism, which only gets worse over time. Thus, the term "progressive".
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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...and the excuse for your post is what?
The NRA is part of the GOP Cult!
Oh, I see, now they call into question Ronnie's age and hint at his mental capacity. These people would throw their own mother into oncoming traffic to protect the holiest grail that is the 2nd Amendment. Total douche bags, every single one of them.
Newsflash for you Righties: Most of us have said for years that Ronnie towards the end of his presidency was in full swing dementia.
Allen - Omaha
Joe in Albany
...and the excuse for your post is what?
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Common sense.
Moron.
Job1
NRA is GOP and GOP is NRA
So Erich Pratt is admitting Reagan suffered from memory loss. Oh well, Reagan is the only GOPher suffering from it. The majority of the baggers and the GOP so too; and they have ethical problems too.
Just da Facts ... Reagan suffered from Alzheimer's ... not senility aka dementia. Then maybe that is the excuse for him raising taxes all those times.
Joe in Albany
Allen - Omaha
Joe in Albany
...and the excuse for your post is what?
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Common sense.
Moron.
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Really? Your panties seem bunched up more than normal today.
AlaskaGirl-759554
Newsflash for you Righties: Most of us have said for years that Ronnie towards the end of his presidency was in full swing dementia.
AlaskaGirl, LOL.
That's why Nancy was whispering in Reagan's ears
I love it when they eat their own in public in addition to eating their own public continuously...
On a lighter note, due to this being the end of the world and all, Joe in Albany is working hard on his bucket list... Judging from his posts above, he can now comfortably scratch "Being a public Imbecile" off that list. Congrats Joe!
Get back to me when your second amendment rights are actually endangered and I'll help you protect them.
If the death of innocent 6 year olds wasn't so devastating, it would be fun watching the NRA and its supporters self-destruct. Each time they do or say something idiotic, I think they can't top it yet somehow they do.
At this rate Reagan will soon be called the worst Democratic President ever.
and my my my how the GOPers worship him. Guess that doesn't say much about the GOP, or perhaps it says a lot.....and it ain't good!
Well, then, if age impairs judgment, then one regulation we DO need is to cap the age at which people are allowed own firearms.
So much for the elderly defending themselves in their homes.
Joe and others-
Ronald Reagan was still relatively young when as Governor of California he signed into law the Mulford Act, which made it illegal to carry a loaded firearm in public or have one in your car. He also signed off on a 15-day waiting period for gun purchases.
During Reagan's presidency he also outlawed cop-killer bullets, undetectable handguns, and the manufacture and sale of machine guns.
After his presidency he supported both the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.
Do you attribute those actions to REALLY early stage dementia?
Of course only a Conservative would consider common sense a form of dementia.......
What a ridiculous and irrelevant statement for Erich Pratt to make.
I must say, fellow FR posters, I am a bit annoyed by the gloating. That Mr. Reagan was suffered from Alzheimer's was no secret and any objective student of history - regardless of personal political persuasion - recognizes this. That some choose to deify Mr. Reagan is no fault of the man. Believe it or not there are many smart, thinking Republicans who recognize Mr. Reagan's faults.
My two cents from the SoCal Peanut Gallery.
OBLOCKHEAD America's Favorite Negro
Seeing that he is half white, it must follow that he is America's favorite white guy also.
Mark in SoCal
Your 2 cents always has great currency on this board.
Just finished watching the clip, and damn, just when I thought the phrase 'gag me with a spoon' had finally been put to rest, here comes this bozo with his 'gag me with a gun' speak. Ugh!!
If Joe cannot see that guns like these make violent people more effective there is no hope for him. Of course those of us that know his post know there was never any hope for him. Joe I got a question, as an outsider what do you think of the human race?
Joe I thought we concluded Bumwine.com (im going with the MD 20/20)
now i deplore the original posters moniker, but since when is he white Ikarus. According to your Propaganda Minister Feisty, he's an ANGRY BLACK MAN.
Flight on oh waxed winged one
Parker, I became Promethean before I hit the ground and sold the WaxWorks for a tidy profit. I believe the fellow was Roman ... a Phaeton wannabe name Icarus.
As to Feisty, I rely on her only to mix the wickedest martini in cyberspace. I must say, her popcorn has a lot of pop to it.
probably to the Etruscans while screaming about how the Sabines 'outsource' to the Poeni.
way to side step it.
the shards of Tyrian pottery are so revealing ... history is all about picking up the pieces and wax was a decent glue in its day.
Thank you Feisty. They have been cannibalizing each other whenever, one of them decides to ACT SANE ON ANYTHING. Shall I name a few who the LYNCH MOB CAME OUT FOR:
Colin Powell, Cheif Justice Roberts, Charlie Crist, John Huntsman, Chuck Hagel. As I said THE SANE PEOPLE IN THE PARTY. There are many more.
Mark,
NO gloating from me! I find it fascinating how willing they are to throw the Saint under the bus for political expediency!
Hell, I even voted for Reagan in 1980 (but don't tell anyone... K?)
Talking Points... Right?
I couldn't believe I was nodding my head in agreement with the Morning Joke on Hardball a little while ago!
Thought someone must of slipped me a "mickey"! ;o)
BCWC,
Thank you darling! The secret is to stir the martini and not bruise the vodka by shaking it! lol
PS: I LOVE the new avatar!
HYPOCRITE OBAMA shouldn't have access to assault weapons or the people that use them EITHER!
Oh dear, 'OBLOCKHEAD America's Favorite Negro' has been relegated to the Abyss ... I wonder who that fella above me 'OBAMA the Snake' might be?
OBAMA the Snake
whack-A-rereg!
damn BUBBLEGUM!
I wonder how many people know that Wayne "Warlord" LaPierre, the CEO of the NRA, dodged the draft in 1969 by having his famly doctor write a letter saying he has a "nervous disorder."
LOL
I bet he got cured of his nervous disorder in 1973 on the day the war ended.
And now he is asking millions of Americans to arm themselves with more weapons against invaders?
Oh, the irony of it all!
Of course, Pratt is correct. The brain dead on the left seize on anything if they think it bolsters their argument. They despise Reagan because he was able to articulate how big an idiot those on the left are better than anyone before or since.Of course, as usual, they leave out the rest of the story because it doesn't suit their attempt to explain why some thug poitician from Chicago should infringe on our inalienable rights.
Let's examine some examples of his support for the second amendment:
h/t about.com
The question is: so what if Reagan thought there should be restrictions on our right to self-defense (not saying he did, merely that the loons on the left is seizing on this one bone the hyenas wish to gnaw on). Reagan never attempted to alter the second amendment or infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens. That was not who he was. If he did he would have undoubtably faced similar opposition as the wannabe tyrant-in-chief is today.So give it up, Reagan spent his whole political life trying to crush political ideologues such as the loser-in-chief.
silverton
why aren't you mentioning that your hero Bill Clinton was a draft dodger who protested with the communist in th UK against America? There is no cure for "pervert".
Simple Theory,
Bill Clinton undoubtedly went to great lengths to avoid the Vietnam War as a conscientious objector and he even used political connections to get special favors to stay out. No dispute there.
But he did not claim he had a nervous disorder.
If Wayne LaPierre has a nervous disorder, and claimed this is why he could not serve in Vietnam, then why is anybody listening to him shout about gun rights and everybody is entitled to own a stockpile of assault weapons?
And if he did not have a nervous disorder, but lied about it, then why would anyone follow a man like this who says one thing about weapons and protecting our families, but he is afraid to serve in the military and protect his country?
This is the height of irony.
Do you even know what a nervous disorder is? Or what the govt allowed people to use to avoid the draft? Or for that matter, what irony is?
People join the NRA because they support what they represent. Fools buy the notion that somehow the NRA exists solely to support gun manufacturers, utter nonsense. The NRA has been in existence since 1871, a period when practically everyone owned a firearm and there was no push to take weapons from the citizenry. They have principally been a sport shooting club and an advocate for gun safety and hunters. It has only been recently that they have found themselves having to lead in the pushback against those from the left who seek to infringe on our second amendment rights.
I see Feisty is sitting and ready to pounce on anything posted as usual. It is not the Conservatives who are trying to destroy this country, it is the Liberal left. Conservatives are trying to stop them from destroying this country. The Liberals have been demonizing the Tea Party and anyone else who disagrees with them. Liberals are the very Communists and Socialists that kennedy tried to stop during Viet Nam and here they are trying to take control of our country.
Reagan came out in 1994 and revealed that he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's (same year as the "assault" rifle ban).
I always thought Reagan was an over-rated buffoon. Most of his Cabinet was a disgrace, as was his deficit spending.
I'm not a conservative, I'm a libertarian who wishes that both idiot liberals and idiot conservatives would either lay off the excessive legislating or f**k off and die.
The Vietnam War (Vietnamese: Chiến tranh Việt Nam) was a Cold War-era military conflict that occurred in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia from 1 November 1955[A 1] to the fall of Saigon on 30 April 1975. This war followed the First Indochina War and was fought between North Vietnam, supported by its communist allies, and the government of South Vietnam, supported by the United States and other anti-communist countries Did not end in 1973
If Wayne LaPierre, the CEO of the NRA, has a nervous disorder as he claimed, I wonder if that is why he is so paranoid about being attacked by intruders, or the government, or foreigners?
I did meet a fellow years ago who said that he avoided the draft by having a doctor friend lay him on an x-ray table, and then twisted his body so that it looked like he had a spine curvature.
Amazing the lengths someone will go to in order to avoid patriotic service.
And about Reagan, I always thought he seemed like an okay guy, but he really left our country in an economic lurch, the worst in history at its time. Reagan later said the enormous deficit was "the biggest disappointment of his presidency."
Love the clowns at the top of the thread who are screaming about the NRA. The quotation mentioned in the article comes from a person who is part of a different organization, the Gun Owners of America.
As for the discussion about those who objected or otherwise did not serve in the military during Vietnam, I say good for them. Ever since WWII our ridiculous government has decided to put our service people at risk in all kinds of wars that we should never have been a part of. If communism is so bad, which it is, we should have simply let the citizens of those countries figure that out on their own and eventually overthrow their own gov.
So I did the math. 17 million gun applications a year. Very few are denied and another 40% more guns sold at shows for a total of 23 million gun purchases each year. Gun violence cost estimates each year are at $100 billion. So if we are to tax each gun sale to cover the "actual" cost of gun ownership. Gun purchasers would have an additional tax of $4300 plus to cover that cost. What say you "fiscally conservative Republicans"? Shall we add the tax? Yeah! I thought not! God forbid we pay for this in a responsible way. Best to tax the poor and middle class to cover the costs, huh?
Gun violence cost estimates each year are at $100 billion. So if we are to tax each gun sale to cover the "actual" cost of gun ownership
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Why is it that the lefty liberal's ONLY solution to EVERY problem is "more taxes"??
Gee Joe, what has happened to the 'Freedom is not Free" mantra espoused by so many on the Right?
Pretty certain it was the NRA Head who suggested the Government provide armed security at every school. Be it Federal, State, Local...some level of Government will be paying for it.
And, I didn't recall seeing any off-setting spending cuts put forth by the same mouthpiece to make it revenue neutral either.
Why is it the Conservative's only solution to gun violence is more guns???
neither is health insurance. Now i have to sacrafice part of my 250k wage for you and you dont even live here.
What a lousy excise to renege on that drink you offered.
well i do admit i dont make that killer Hemlock Maritini like Fisty does. shaken not stirred
Feisty cuts the hemlock with cantarelia ... yummy and slow.
Thank you AnaB. Gun advocates can't seem to understand the social implications of unrestricted gun sales. Perhaps they can understand the fiscal realitites. And the Supreme Court has already shown their hand on how powerful the power to tax is vis a vis states rights. So if Montana doesn't want to enforce assault weapons bans and a ban on weapons grade magazines, perhaps a federal tax would change their thinking. Of coarse I really can't pick on Montana. I trust those guys a whole lot more with assault weapons than I would their Texas/Oklahoma/Bible Belt counterparts. I am a big fan of mental health exams in those areas.
Joe in Albany and all others against taxes on guns. You realize you are already paying the $100 Billion annually right? Whether you own guns or not you are paying that bill. Or maybe you don't realize it. You are borrowing from China, like all conservatives like to moan, to pay that bill. Food for thought? Maybe not for the brainless but for the rest of us, absolutely.
Typical liberal dogma telling us nothing.
How much "gun violence" (idiotic, but that's another post) is committed by criminals (illegal gun owners).
It occurs to me that the left doesn't know how to search for useful information on the internet. They let demagogues like Obama stir their emotions with stupid sound bytes which have no weight behind them. This makes them appear ignorant and stupid. I would like to think my fellow Americans to be smarter than that; but. alas, some continue to disappoint.
Stop being idiot drones. Stop posting mindless drivel in the name of Obama. He kills more innocent people with one drone strike than Lanza did in Newtown with the weapons he had. Here is a site that has the facts concerning firearms in America. Look at it. You will be surprised.
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
Militia and right to bear arms are not connected, a ruling by the US Supreme Court in 2008.
The President today has infringed on our right to bear arms as best he can. Even causing a hassle or being a nuissance is an infringement.
Obama is carried away with himself, he's not presiding, he's dictating. He has no guts to meet with congress. Rather he speaks via news release. He can't stand being argued with and the microphones don't argue. He has now even admitted he will not negotiate with congress. Using the children as a human shield today seemed like a heck of an idea to Obama. He doesn't have a clue how pathetic it is.
But Congress has 30 days to throw out all or some of the executive orders, and can take up measures as well. So let's give Congress 30 days to defend the Cosntitution or not.
TNSEVOL:
Post #2.4 = a "10"
That's a definite win in this round of "Posting Olympics - 2013.
TNSEVOL:
Post #2.4 = a "10"
TNSEVOL:
Post #2.4 should be rated a "10".
In the comment olympics....that's a "Win". Good post.
oops
My bad on the repetitive posts.
There is definitely a connection between age and the new social communication skills.
May be time to saddle up and ride into the sunset.
Yeah and instead of having armed guards in schools, which is the only way to provide a defense of our precious children, the left would rather say no to that so we can continue to fund welfare to adults.
VERY CONSIDERATE LEFTIES.
*facepalm*
What was Governor Reagan's excuse for signing the Mulford Act in 1967?
What was Governor Reagan's excuse for signing the Mulford Act in 1967?
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He was still in the early stages of being a recovering Democrat.
*facepalm*
It was a response to the criminal Black Panthers and the other violent activists of the left. The people of the state of California was terrified. It ended them openly carrying loaded firearms. Admittedly, it was knee jerk but it did not infringe on a person's right to own a firearm, it merely prevented carrying a loaded one in public.
Look! A Reagan straw! *grasp*
Don't know much, do ya da noid?
What was Obama excuse for voting present in 1999?
In 1999, State Senator Barack Obama voted “present” on a bill that would require adult prosecution for discharging a gun in or near a school.
SB 759 provided that anyone 15 years of age or older charged with aggravated battery with a weapon in school or within 1,000 feet of a school would be charged as an adult.
It passed the Illinois State Senate in a 52-1 vote, with 5 members voting present — including Obama.
A Chicago Tribune editorial even accused Obama of being a “gutless sheep” for missing a vote on crime legislation in late 1999.
I'm sure there is nothing you like more than treating a child as an adult, especially when it comes to sex.
Ahhhh, my pet spider Charlotte is back to weave her web of deceit! lol
Always lurking in the corner, until the opportunity presents itself to make a fool out of herself!
so feisty -- is what was posted about obama voting present on gyn legislation false?
you launched right into the insults which would suggest the poster was correct
billybob-6210632
No, Feisty posted 7 minutes after bayllie's post directly below at #6. You will of course note that bayllie' was responding to the thetotus post above. Sigh!
blackcatwhitecat
yes, I was doing exactly that but unfortunately did not realize the wrong placing until it was too late.
you shouldn't expect billybob to figure something this COMPLEX, should you?
If you pay attention you can see that Feisty never actually comments on any issue. Never takes a stand against bad/criminal behavior. She just stops in and insults others. Never seen anyone insult others so much on the vine and yet she never is suspended. Weird.
thetotas
here is your answer:
759 - OBAMA SAID HE WAS VOTING PRESENT ON THE FLOOR; OBAMA SAID THAT THE PROVISIONS WERE NEGOTIATED OUT OF THE ORIGINAL JUVENILE JUSTICE REFORM BILL AND THAT THE SENATE WAS GOING BACK ON ITS WORD
Obama Voted Present On Bill To Charge Minor As Adult For Gun Crime Near A School Because There Was No Proof That The Measure Would Reduce Juvenile Crime. Obama voted present on a bill to allow a minor to be tried as an adult if he/she is charged with aggravated battery with a firearm at or near a school. Obama said, "I did just want to point out that last year we worked on a almost complete overhaul of the Juvenile Justice Code, and this provision was debated at length during negotiations with the various State's attorney's office. Part of the reason that we negotiated it out of that original bill was at least the sense of some of us that there is really no proof or indication that automatic transfers and increased penalties and adult penalties for juvenile offenses have, in fact, proven to be more effective in reducing juvenile crime or cutting back on recidivism. I know there's disagreements with other folks, but I did just want to point out that last year when we worked -- guided so ably by Senator Hawkinson -- on this bill, the sense was that we had more or less completed an overhaul of the code and that we were going to pause for a moment, see how that worked before we moved on. And I guess I'd just like to point out that here we are, a year later, doing the exact same thing that we had been doing prior to the changes that we initiated last year and that is to increase penalties further for juveniles and try them further as adults and expand the number of offenses. So for that reason, I'm going to be voting present." (91st GA, SB 0759, 3/25/99, 3R P; 52-1-5 (BO: P); Session Transcript, 3/25/99, p.209)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3867890
To simplify it, putting a 16-yr old in jail and throwing away the key was not his answer to fixing the problem. PREVENTION of a 16-yr old shooting a gun, was.
Wow... It seems Obama was reading things through, participating, and really understanding what was going on during the time schlubs like the "tatas" like to frame him as a disconnected fence-riding Senator... Thanks Bayllie for posting up what these low-info. racist hillbillies always fail to consider... The truth.
But they can't choke on what they make no attempt to swallow.
chick binder,
it is no secret that Republicans are proud of fixing everything with guns and prisons. I guess they need to ensure that they never run out of "customers." To them, people are two things : $$$ and disposable.
Privatizing prison systems(for profit), is one of the worst decisions made, in the "solution" to incarceration of convicts. Corporations running prisons, is a bad idea.
I'd rather see it run by a non profit entity(government or otherwise).
It would also be a good idea to institute a mandatory work detail for convicts, to help offset the cost of imprisonment, and to keep their work skills sharp, to make the transition easier after they get out of prison and have to work a regular job.
So those who worshiped and still do Saint Ronnie Reagan are ready to admit he was senile when it serves their purpose otherwise he was nearly a god. Interestingly Ford and Carter also sent letters and neither of them were senile or of the same party. Common sense should prevail but some seem to prove what Voltaire said which was..."Common sense is uncommon". It was true then and apparently is true today.
Erich Pratt's performance was a disgrace. Constantly trying to dodge the issues with distractions and insults. If his side refuses to engage in the debate, then why should we let them have any say in the outcome? We need to recognize these extremists for what they are and come to the conclusion that since they bring nothing of value to the discussion, that they should not receive any consideration when charting our nation's legislative course on the issues of guns and violence.
Nathan. Don't sweat it! When the Law Enforcement Act for Policing Schools reaches the house it will get voted down by the Tea Party Faction because the Dems will never agree to cut School Lunch Programs, Unemployment Benefits, and Childrens Health Benefits and Programs to offset the funding! Now who really cares for kids? The NRA? The Tea Party?
This will really get good before it's over. 6 months ago, the NRA was nice and cozy comfy in its 2nd Amendment blankie, blissfully fronting for the gun manufacturers and attending Ted Nugent concerts. Then a couple of crazies put the spot light on gun violence by pointing their guns at innocent people in movie theaters and schools, the kind of guns that the Founding Fathers hadn't ever imagined. And whattya know, the rest of us have about had it. Time for some common sense, some legislation and some executive action. So here come the people who "represent" gun owners suggesting armed militias for the schools, a federal data base of insane people and insinuating that anyone opposing their banana clip mentality is senile, even including His Holiness, Ronald the First. Against the will of the majority, these guys have three things on their side: history, money and the politicians it buys. Notice the list does not include the facts.
HENRY my man it doesn't matter this time...this aint innercity black gunning each other down...it's not a drug related or gang thing...it's white middle class folks in the suburbs.... joe scarbourgh said everything changed after newtown....it's because it'ls like the fifth time in a year...and it's white folks gunning down white folks...chruch malls highschool combumbine with armed guard present hmmm didn't work wayne...political rally...gabby...and a movie .... and it aint going away because it people that aren't quite right with lethal weapons with big mags...100 rounder in auroura.....(by the way lofton was tackled by bystander when he changed magizines hmmmmm interest hmmmmm....big mags ...auroua dude bought legally even though he was nuts.....and newtown...weapons not secured with a depressed and mentally ill kid in the house...and ar 1bushmaster seemingly becoming the weapon of choice because of it lethal nature... this isn't going away it's in the white middle class mainstream so it will be addressed....nra you lose the public now and you'll never get them back...why because you can't see the writing on the wall times have changed....and you trying to frightened the country may sell more guns but it's also pissing off the people in the middle that are gun nuts and care more for there children than for you slippery slope argument....especially since once again no body taking your gun for home defense or hunting ... obama put you in the corner to defend assault weapons and big mags that not even nra members give a @!$%# about...normal folks don't understand your defense of them....and the universal background checks...normal folks accept gun nuts like 80% of the population endorse that... obama played you guys like a fiddle by never saying he wants your guns because he doesn't want them..... the nra and the gun nuts are your own worst enemy...and because what he wants is reasonable and desired by the public... you're days are numbered meaning the leadership of nra....
The GOP/Teabeggers are completely ignorant! President Reagan was still very sharp intellectually, and he was of a clear thought process. His age was not a factor at all when President Reagan made this statement. That is historical fact!
i was a reagan dem he was a good man...never thought i'ld hear this...man the nra's deserpate...calling there god ronnie a nut...bush w. was for assault weapons ban....reagan two....hmmmmmmgop presidents for reasonable restrictions ....man the new gop is out of touch with themselves
to follow up gabby gunman brought down when tackle when reloading if he had 100 rounder like the aurora shooter...how many more lives would have been lose..? if he had only a 10 as proposed by obama...? if mental illness database keep the bozo in auroura from purchasing a weapon and he knew he couldn't easily get a gun maybe that prevented.... newtown...weapons not secured well enough in a home with a 20 year emotionally distrubewd....maybe that could have been prevented..... the convienence of readily avaible weapons seems to be a problem... universal background checks which stops the open barn of 50% of sales closed that would give gun owners selling guns responsible the data to know some criminal or nuts getting a gun...easy stuff
TNSEVOL, You're the BEST!! You've done your homework, and I love it!
Why can't we have a reasonable discussion? NRA fanatics are like obstructionist Congress. Fact: Moral people compromise--can u imagine a marriage, or family, working without compromise. Get over it NRA, you cannot have it all! Methinks the gun slinger doth protest too much!
Funny! Just a few days ago, I commented on the age of the NRA "talking heads". I told my husband that maybe they were getting dementia, and are too old to own guns.
The NRA thinks Obama is hypocritical because his daughters' have Secret Service agents assigned to protect them, yet opposes armed officers in other schools. Well, let's see now - how many daughters does the President have and how many kids attend elementary schools in the United States?
I saw a "?"; that implies you want facts.
About 100,000 TOTAL public schools in the US.
We spend about 52 billion dollars in foreign aid. If we took all of that money and divided it between the public schools, that would mean each school gets $520,000 in money for security.
At an average cop salary of $50,400, that allows for SIX police officers for EVERY public school in the country from Alaska to Florida, and still leaves $217,000 for training and equipment.
C'mon now, be easy on him, he's never had a real job before now. All he thinks he needs to do is come up with a few ideas and let congress create a bill. This way he can just say no again and continue our path down the circular road to nowhere.
In 1994 president Reagan wasn't even talking for himself anymore !
So if President Reagan owned guns in 1994, would Mr Pratt have been in favor of taking them away from him? If his judgement was as impaired as Mr Pratt seems to be suggesting......
"Three years later, Congress had passed the Brady Bill and was working on another piece of gun control legislation, a ban on assault weapons. Reagan joined former Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter in a letter published in the Boston Globe that called on Congress to pass a ban on assault weapons. Later, in a letter to Rep. Scott Klug, a Wisconsin Republican, Reagan said the limitations proposed by the Assault Weapon Ban “are absolutely necessary” and that it “must be passed.” Klug voted in favor of the ban."
civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Gun-Rights-Ronald-Reagan.htm
I have a question. Does anyone on the right know the difference between an exective action and an executive order. There is really quite a difference.
I think he was senile during most of his second term and beyond. The letter he cosigned was simply on moment of lucidity in an otherwise garbled world. Recall he wanted to speed up the End Times by provoking war in the middle east.
One good thing he does, and the NRA tries to take it away!
Want to stop most gun violence? Have a 3-strikes and your DEAD law. Gangbanger mugs, burglarizes, then car jacks. Then he is executed. (Get rid of the death penalty for one-off murders, where a person MIGHT be innocent, and reserve it for people with a rap sheet)
That would clean up the neighborhoods, prevent much gun violence, and reduce prison population.
In 1986 Ronald Reagan signed the executive order that no military style firearms could be imported into the US.
That was a good call... helped domestic manufacturers.
Folks, a confession and an observation. I was once a Republican but the W Bush years snapped me out of my supply-side compassionate conservatism pipe-dream stupor. We are witnessing something major here. It is the full implosion of the Republican party. The imbeciles and their blather here are the ones yelling the loudest, terrified to evolve with the rest of the nation. Clinging to a nostalgic view of the past, and their racism, hate and ignorance. Clinging to a sinking ship really. Fascinating times.
Conservatives need to get their story straight: was Ronald Reagan a plaster saint (which these guys usually seem to think he was), or was he a doddering old relic when he supported the assault weapons ban in 1994?
Caesar Augustus-
Hey Mickey what does all these mass shootings have in common? (no one except the crazed criminal was armed).
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Quit Making BS up Caesar! THE FACTS ARE :
At the Columbine School Massacre that killed 15 and wounded 12 others an armed guard was and had been present in the school for years prior. On that day he was helplessly "unable" to do a thing to stop ANY of the bloodshed and carnage Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris produced!!!
There was also an armed office who stood in the parking lot in Tucson, Arizona who could do NOTHING to stop Jared Lee Loughner as he slaughtered 7 people, 9 year old Christina Taylor among them wounding 14 others including Congresswoman Gabby Gifford’s!
Actually Many times DURING SEVERAL MASS MURDER MASSACRE'S MANY PEOPLE WITH GUNS HAVE BEEN PRESENT AND THEY HAVE NOT SPARED A SINGLE LIFE FROM BEING TAKEN!!! For example in addition to the two examples above: The Fort Hood Massacre or The Virginia Tech Massacre where solo gunman killed a combine total of 45 PEOPLE, WOUNDING 30 others! The FACTS don't Lie but the GUN TOTING COWARDLY LYING NRA BOOTLICKING WEENIES DO!! More Guns IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!
Way to go you idiot, you must work for NBC, just keep using these mindless, spineless killers names to make them famous. Why didnt you list off all the names of the victims, but no, you could mindlessly keep the killers names in full view.
You are making the killers famous and victims nameless. You are an idiot and have just disrespected all the victims of these crimes.
You must have supported Obama you idiot