What's the matter????? I tell you what's the matter for as long as anyone can remember, a President's childeren ARE OFF LIMITS. You want to bitch about the President, fine. You don't drag his family into it. Democrats never said boo and Dubya's kids and if you can't see how offensive this is then you reveral yourself to be a shameless partisan hack who are only interested in scoring points against Obama. Get a clue you dimwit.

I totally disagree about Obama's children being off limits. The NRA did not say anything offensive or personal about Obama's kids & they are being truthful. Eleven armed SS agents accompany his children everywhere they go. If Obama had the opportunity, he would do the same thing but only worse.

Obama never lets an opportunity slip by him that involves a child, for example: "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon".

Obama was fully aware of the Mitt Ad that one of his PAC's had created that accused Mitt of causing Mr. Soptics wife to be without insurance and ultimately die of Cancer. Obama, Gibbs, Carney and Stephanie Cutter all claimed they had no knowledge of this Ad, but a video was leaked of a Conference call between Cutter and Mr. Soptic planning the Ad....busted. Still, the Coward and Chief Obama refused to denounce the Ad after it was proven false.

Do not lose any sleep over the assertiveness of referring to Obama's kids in the NRA Ad, Obama would do it in a heart beat if he could. He threw his own Mother under the Bus when he lied about her struggles with Insurance while he sold Obamacare to Americans.

It is only a partisan issue for the clueless. It is more a common sense issue. The NRA used the president's children as an example of the hypocracy and elitism in this country, especially when it concerns the 1% privileged.

So Ozzie Boy, you would sacrifice your children for the president's? The president's children deserve more protection than the rest of the children in this country? Is that your philosophy?

The presidents children are a definite target. Yours are not. The ad was repulsive.

upstate John: Which red state do you think Truth Crusader and Revolution hail from??!!?? hahahahahahahahaha

Francis, they may be used a fraction of the times as a precent of gun crimes but 100% of the times in mass-murders of innocent citizens.

That's the issue.

Actyually, guns, guns, guns and MONEY. The NRA is the paid whore of the gun makers who give them millions with no concern at all how much havoc their products wreack on our society. War profiteers describes them well.

War Profitters? You must be talking about the government, now. I don't even own a gun nor am I a member of the NRA, but the NRA is not the demon here. Ignorance is the demon here. You don't bring a law book to a gun fight. Guns are not going away. Period. So you bring a gun to a gun fight. The NRA Pres. hit the nail on the head. You stop a bad guy with a gun with a good guy with a gun. Otherwise, buy stock in body bags.

Revolution: So, you're advocating opening gun ownership to any person who has the money to buy one and then let the good guys shoot it out with the bad guys. Let me ask you this. How many bad guys think they're bad guys? Hitler himself thought he was a good guy. Stalin thought he was a good guy as well. You cannot name one bad guy who himself thought he was a bad guy. They all think they're good guys. So, when it comes down to it, the good guys determine who are the bad guys. Ever wonder why the old west cow towns passed laws prohibiting anyone from carrying a firearm within the city limits?

TJefferson: You really ought to change your handle if you're pro-gun control; Thomas J. wrote the 2nd Amendment.

You cannot put words in my mouth; I never said open gun ownership to anyone. I see now that common sense issues are beyond your understanding. Furthermore, you cannot speak intelligently about hitler or stalin unless you knew them personally, and even then, how could you possibly know what they thought.

That's the trouble with politics; doesn't matter if it's an elephant or a jackass, they always go to the extreme; there is never a common sense ground on which to join sides. Your statements above is a prefect example. People who are bad know they're bad. They know right from wrong. If they were true sociopaths then they would show no conscience and 99.99% of bad people try to hide their actions, thus, showing they have a conscience.

That's probably too much for you for one day, but WTF, I'm optimistic.

I suppose you'd say the same thing about housing? If the government pays for Obama to live in a mansion, why shouldn't they pay for you to live in one also.

You really have to be a complete idiot or just intellectually dishonest to put forward that argument.

DAN, what's repugnant is that 20 children were slaughtered, the president is doing his best to prevent this from constantly occurring and you find it offensive that he has children with him?? Isn't that what we are fighting for, to keep our kids safe??? The NRA's idea of protecting kids is giving guns to everyone so we can have one massive shootout. Yea, I sure wish everyone was packing, the world would be so much better off.

Mark

He's not being intellectually anything. That is quite obvious. He doesn't get it, a President's family and children are OFF LIMITS, PERIOD! Those that want to bring them into this are scum bags and idiots.

I know exactly where these clowns are coming from and it's offensive. Every other President's family has been protected but President Obama's doesn't deserve to be. Now, why would that be?

Man, the trailer parks must be buzzing tonight.

Dennis,

Please explain to me why the President's (or anyone's) children or family are "OFF LIMITS, PERIOD!" even when the topic of discussion is my own children. If them President's are off limits, then so are mine. But they aren't. I'll recap. We are discussing our children because they are in danger, but not the President's children, because they aren't in danger, because they have armed guards. So Americans request armed guards for their children, too. President says, "No." So we say, "What's wrong with the idea. Your kids have armed guards. Why not mine too?" So then the President, his supporters, and others who have a sort of worship of America the Beautiful, and revere her institutions way too much hurry to say, "The President's family and children are OFF LIMITS, PERIOD!"

Entitled much Dan?

Stop, I didn't see where Obama mentioned your children, SPECIFICALLY, can you provide a link?

I really can't tell if people like you are acting stupid or are stupid. I'm hoping the former but I fear the latter.

Stop

Spoken like a true bench warmer, nothing more. Nobody ever said you can't protect your children. And yes, the President's children are off limits, especially to the likes of you.

All you'rer doing is looking for another reason to hate President Obama. Guess what, 53% of us voted for him and we agree with him. You don't like that, well, tough! I personally don't care.

Dennis,

"Man, the trailer parks must be buzzing tonight"!?!? Really? Your thinly veiled racists remark is not going to help anything. Nobody is calling out the president's kids because they're negros, you stupid toad. And @!$%# you if you think they're any better than any other kids, you black tar baby monkey spunk coon baby raping bitch.

Uh, you can that again. Low rent, beer swilling, knuckle draggers who have this fantasy of themselves as great American patriots because they have a small arsenal in their basement. They fancy themselves as upholders of the Constitution, freedom fighters, colonial patriots at Lexington & Concord. Seriously, a lot of these mutants really think that way.

LMAO I agree with everything you've posted but this is downright hilarious!! Have you written a book? Stay on em!

And here I was thinking it is the idiot liberals that are the problem. Ozzie boy I don't have a basement, don't drink and I'm pretty sure I'm not a knuckle dragger. I don't fancy myself as any of those things in your cute little statement. To quote you "Uh, you can that again" makes it sound like your knuckles may swing pretty low. Tell Harriett hello for me.

The "gun laws" we have are pathetically weak. And given the fact that all these children were slaughtered, what on earth if offensive about showcasing some kids. Isn't that the main reason we are doing this for, to prevent future horrors like this??? And yet that means nothing to you. You want to find fault with how he presented his legislation.

Secession. that's what's next. I think it's time for the right and the left to just go ahead and get divorced. Everyone will be happier. The Left won't have to deal with the dummies/greedy, and the right won't have to deal with the degernates/lazies.

Now call names and pretend to be caring, sophisticated, cosmopolitan, intelligent, forward-looking, and on and on and on.

Nothing would make me happier than if all the idiot red states take their guns and secede. And Rick Perry, Sarah Palin, and Michelle Bachmann can be their leaders. Take Fox News with them, intelligent people don't watch that garbage anyway.

gravis:

Truer words were never posted. If TP-GOP's can't appreciate the obvious need to do EVERYTHING we can to make this society safer and substantially more civilized then the time has come for them to leave. And using the 2nd Amendment to somehow justify their pro-semiautomatic gun position is BEYOND ridiculous. If the U.S.gov't/military REALLY wanted to carry out a hostile/tyrranical takeover they could (and would) do so without firing a shot. Guns would never play a role.

See if the pro-gun lobby can figure that out. So much for the "REAL meaning" of the 2nd Amendment.

Meanwhile as misinformation and ignorance continue to interfere with reliable facts and truth the current ideological rift is only going to get wider and wider. You can expect Fox, Limbaugh, the NRA, etc. to relentlessly rile up their base. This "marriage" is clearly over and it's now just a matter of how this is going to play itself out. 2014 would be a good starting point.

Spoken like a true low rent warrior wannabe. Just because you do well in shooter games doesn't make you a hero or a warrior. You're just another wannabe, that's it. Trust me on this, if they were to really want your little guns, they would have zero issues with prying them from your cold, dead, ignorant fingers. If you want to go up against the government in a firefight, you are automatically out gunned. RIP

The President's children have ALWAYS been protected. Why all of the sudden are they not entitled to be? Oh, I get it. Glad you aren't transparent.

Don't play 'shooter games', in fact, don't even own a gun. So you have me mistaken for someone like yourself. And who said anything about going up against big brother? The NRA is doing that...and they will prevail. Why? It's called the 2nd Amendment.But you're right; I'm not transparent. Where I come from I call a spade a spade.

My fingers aren't cold, nor dead, nor ignorant; ask your momma. Besides, my weapon of choice is a nice combat knife. Silent and effective. You wanna come get it??? Dennis???

Umm the NRA is too stupid to see anything they did that was wrong and/or immoral or unethical. You are talking about an organization that's fed with money from gun manufacturers. The bulk of what they operate on is from these people making guns. The NRA is nothing more than the biatch of gun makers.

I doubt the NRA is sweating anything. The only ones upset are the left wing liberals and they were already upset before the NRA ad was run. Typical pantywaist liberal bs.

No, it's definitely coming. The majority of Americans are sick and tired of a bunch of gun nuts making unsafe gun policy for the remaining 260m other Americans.

It's not coming. You still have rational republicans and a few dems that won't support it.

When the majority of Americans want something, it eventually happens. Especially when it comes to slaughtering their children in the classroom.

I don't doubt that it's coming sometime in the future, but not now. From what I've read the majority of Americans don't want "assualt weapons" banned. They want them kept out of the hands of the mentally ill. And no, this didn't come from the nra.

Not what the polls say.

We're reading different polls then.

Ben Franklin is dead, this isn't the 18th century.

No politician would use another politicians' children in a political ad, even they have standards (as low as they may be). NRA has none, obviously.

Protect them with what, a bazooka, bombs, anthrax, any limit to that protection argument stupidity?

When's the last time some one protected themselves with an assault weapon and a 30 round clip? When's the last time someone committed mass murder with the same?

Get real.

Exactly! Why can't the libtards comprehend that?

Mark, last week in Longview, TX. as a matter of fact.

I'd like to get a link for that claim.

It's a fact, not a claim. I'm searching for the link and will post it, if I can find it.

Amazing what person will do to win an election isn't it?

btjhs

You just joined and have done nothing but spew hatred and stupid. You're just another ignorant troll and have been reported.

Dennis, you are a typical whining liberal. I don't doubt that you reported me. I'm sure the truth hurts your little feelings. I wasn't aware this was a forum just for liberal cry babies. I went back and read yours, mine and a few other posts, if you think mine spew more hatred and stupidity than yours and the others, you're mistaken. I may be a troll, but that beats the hell out of being a whining dumbass.

btjhs: I second that opinion; Dennis is a real piece of work.

Scary...because Hitler did that...used kids all the time....very scary.

Obama even went so far as to line up children as a backdrop as he signed his executive order. How's that for class?

and I'm a retired Airman and I cant believe that someone like you, who was sworn to defend and uphold the US Constitution, thinks that the government should restrict the constitutional rights of it's citizens.

Any constitutional right that allows for mass murder is not constitutional. Period. Responsible lawmakers are obliged to change laws that distort or subvert the original intent of the law, and those who do not are not representing the constituents to whom they are responsible.

You can't yell fire in a theater. You can't traffic in child pornography, felons can't own guns. Why is that? None of those things are in the constitution. There are already REASONABLE restrictions on your constitutional rights. Common sense trumps bravado here.

The NRA knows the destructive power of these weapons also. That's what they love about them. Happiness is a warm gun.

Assault weapons, Thank you for your service. I own a m14 that is not classified as an assault weapon, unless I'm mistaken, the AR fires the same round as it does, so what's the difference, wouldn't it be just as deadly? They are both semi auto, I assume the ones you fired were fully auto? Also, should semi auto 30-06, 270,etc hunting rifles be banned?

To me, assault weapons are for that purpose - putting many rounds down range in an attempt to immobilize the enemy. I don't think anyone has a problem with a rifle that fires few rounds to hunt or sportshoot. And even though the AR fires a smaller round than the M-14 (5.56 mm versus 7.62mm), I am a fan of M-14s - I believe it is a long range weapon for sportshooting that is as accurate a weapon that has ever been developed. I do, however, believe that weapons that allow many rounds accurately downrange are not appropriate for the civilian sector, even for someone like me, who has been trained to repeatedly put dots in a spot at 500 yards+. It is just not right, and I cannot support any legislation that allows it. To me it is a moral issue and not a political issue. I choose to believe that weapons with the capability of killing many people is not a weapon for civilians, ever. And I believe that I am now, even though retired military, a civilian until the U.S. decides to recall me, and I will abide and abstain from using weapons I feel are immoral and unsafe to the rest of the populace.

Why don't white young males quit killing a bunch of people.