It should be obvious there is a vast difference between communication and noise, but it is not obvious. It should be obvious that the success of a debate is not measured in decibels, but in a preponderance of evidence that supports a position, but it is not obvious.

So it is with our various media, from simple meetings to a mass broadcasting network like television or the one we're using right here - the Internet. Noise overwhelms these media from ultra-wealthy and corporate interests whose sole purpose is to channel money to their pockets, to the reporter who cherry-picks sound bites to support his pet narrative. It is clear there is an agenda to push a point that benefits not the public at large, but very small special interest groups.

Those small special interest groups enlist from the ranks of the ignorant, noisemakers. They arm them with talking points and megaphones and send them forth to make noise. They make no logical arguments. They make noise. Success is based on framing a position in a short sound bite that rolls off the tongue and seems to make sense: Guns don't kill people. Job creators. The problem is spending. Fiscal cliff. Typical liberals. Protecting our freedom.

None of that makes any sense. Guns were never designed for target practice. They were designed to kill. As far as job creators, weren't our parents the ultimate in that arena? Go do this. Go do that. Did you do the job I gave you? If spending is the problem, wouldn't we solve that problem by never going to a store again? And so the noise continues.

Three horrific problems continue to fester because of this noise: Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW), a nation whose legislators are actually are arguing about whether they should pay their bills, and firearms that fall into the wrong hands with a frequency so great we should be outraged.

Statistics and overwhelming consensus in the scientific community say that AGW is a fact beyond dispute. Yet, screeching noise says, "Duh, it snowed where I live." We have run up a national debt of inconceivable size. Yet, the same people who ran up that debt, now say we must learn our lesson by hitting those least able to defend themselves. Those legislators raise their pay as they do this. Streets, schools, homes, and workplaces are the sites of routines gun-related violence and murder. And the screeching noisemakers will solve this by adding more guns to this deadly mix. The teachers, who yesterday were union thugs and incompetent educators, will be tomorrow's expert marksmen in kindergarten classrooms across the country.

That is dictionary definition "stupid". While such stupidity is blindingly obvious, there is an even more dangerous brand of stupidity. That is the quiet stupidity of those who pretend to be tolerant, who pretend that everyone has a valuable point of view. That is deadly stupidity.

The noisemakers from both extremes contribute nothing of value. When the planet has heated to the point that starvation and dislocation is rampant, when our own children catch a round that destroys his or her life, when no one will offer us credit when we need it, will we find comfort by looking at ourselves and saying, "I was stupid to listen to stupid people." It is not possible to overestimate the power of stupidity.

What, nothing about Rep.Huelskamp voting NO, on Sandy Relef, while he knows that His OWN Family, Mother, Father & Brother, have lived off the Government Trough for most of thier LifeTime!

You Betcha!

Occupy SoggyBottom!

Ann Romney was approached by Dancing With the Stars but turned the show down.

I guess it wasn't "her turn".

Wow newsvine! You are all of the sudden going to post this? You guys must like keeping things continually spun into the dark abyss.

How about they stop writing checks their ass can't cash?

How about putting in stiffer guidelines for the people that solely live off the government dole/handouts? They need to be putting in 40 hours of community service a week.

It is absolutely sickening that folks to reap in the benefits of a government that has no checkpoints in place or can simply lie in order rake in even more money!

Does he even know?

Go for it ... the Republican party would be annihilated.

Republicans are being annihilated regardless of what they do by the Left and the Press. Exhibit A is Obama's Press Conference yesterday.

They may as well go down trying to save the country.

I find sniping at a bit of opening humor sad and pathetic.

Sure, let me try making a joke about Michelle Obama as an opening thread and see how much grief it gets. Why can't you folks "Move Forward"? The election is over, why do you keep living in the past?

White Collar Auto

Did you vote for or against the new Detroit-Windsor bridge? Show me some wisdom.

Say it with me, 4 MORE years of President Obama and there isn't a damn thing YOU can do about it!

Hi Feisty,

Yes Indeed! 4 more for 44.

If the rethuglicans don't raise the debt ceiling that's fine. Two things will happen. The markets will freak and our interest on the debt will go up. The Red welfare states will see just how much they are the people that they've been complaining about when the checks stop coming in. Then we can all watch the GNOP implode!

Republicans like to play the game, if it were my household budget. So lets play that game. If it was my household and I didn't pay my bills the bank would repossess my house, everything in it and my car. If it was my household budget I would cut back on spending. So where do I cut, I can't cut back on food, shelter, health care, I guess I give up the luxuries, movies, the bar, etc.

So the federal budget, if you cut back on seniors (Medicare, Social Security, etc.) We hurt our own. Welfare, is not a luxury as these triple digit people think it is. I got it, we can do without such a big military presence all over the world.

Bottom line, the president didn't run this debt up congress did. The gift of the republican congress and a republican president that just keeps on giving. Boner step up to the plate ol' buddy or you will really crying in your beer when even your safe district turns on you for not paying the bills and throwing the country and the world into a tailspin. You want to cut spending, so do I, but that is a different issue.

Feisty, I didn't see the press conference, but I have read the transcript, and, in defense of the journalists, at least their questions gave the President a chance to make his points:

1) In previous debt-ceiling negotiations, there was the possibility of compromise. This is the first Congress that has actually threatened to default on America's debt if it doesn't get everything the extreme right wants. How can the President negotiate with people who refuse to compromise?

2) Raising the debt ceiling does not give government the opportunity to increase spending, it simply makes it possible to pay for what Congress has already spent.

Instead, the real result of a prospective congressional refusal to increase the debt ceiling would be the mother of all government spending cuts. In that brave new world the government would be forced to do two things: 1) prioritize how it will spend the 54 cents in cash left over after servicing the debt; and 2) spend not a penny more than that 54 cents.

So the guy from Fairfax is perfectly happy telling social security recipients we can only afford to pay those with last names starting with A through F. Those of you with last names starting with G through Z, well, good luck surviving without a check this month, and the next, and the next. And for those on Medicare, sorry, but only those of you with last names starting with U through Z will be covered this month.

I guess that is one way to solve the debt ceiling problem; get rid of the senior population drawing those benefits. Deny them food and medical coverage. And while we are at it, pull back that pesky SS death payment. After all, burning bodies en masse is so much cheaper than individual funerals. Why, I would bet in no time, we wouldn't even need a debt ceiling debate, since we killed off 40% of those pesky entitlement takers.

Well Bill, we can at least give you credit for thinking outside the pine box. You have solved the Medicare funds shortage, Social Security deficit projection problem, and the debt ceiling in one fell swoop. Wouldn't it be easier to just release a genetically altered flu strain that targets our fellow citizens over 68?

Congress already wrote and mailed the checks to our creditors and the creditors have deposited the checks and are now waiting for the check to clear so they can pay their employees and creditors.

Please don't bounce our National checks the penalty is too large.

GreatlyEntitled, If you think that living on a bare existence is a great life you should try it. No one wants to be on welfare, no one. Bill Clinton proved that when he and his policies that he forced on a republican congress by shutting the government down created the greatest boom in my lifetime and perhaps in history and we enjoyed full employment. Simply put, under the democrats there were jobs. It didn't take George W. Bush long to end that. By the way, this creates the need for welfare. We take care of our own as we should take care of our own. You want to make draconian cuts to anything, cut the military, we no longer can afford to be the worlds cop.

Less than a week away before President Obama's 2nd Inauguration:

William Henry Harrison- He spent his time in the army fighting Indians on the frontier. He was the first president to receive over one million votes.

James Polk – It was during his presidency in which gaslights were first installed in The White House. He was President when the US won the Mexican-American War.

Zachary Taylor  - Was a hero during the Mexican War. Gold discovered in California during his presidency. Enter the Gold Rush. Began to take a strong stand against appeasing the south on the subject of slavery but died during the fight over the Compromise of 1850. He was the second president to die in office. He spent July 4, 1850, eating cherries and milk at a ceremony at the Washington Monument. 

He got sick from the heat and died five days later. Abraham Lincoln gave the eulogy at his funeral.

Millard Fillmore – Appointed Daniel Webster his Secretary of State. He was the last president born in the 18th Century. Born in NY, he is best known for his lack of strong opposition to slavery. As VP under Taylor, he presided for months over the debate in Congress on the controversial Compromise of 1850, which ultimately led to the Civil War. He opposed the policies of Abraham Lincoln throughout the Civil War.

Franklin Pierce – He was a terrible student and at one point had the lowest grades in his class. He decided to become more dedicated to his studies and graduated third in his class. His classmates were Nathaniel Hawthorne and Longfellow. Only president to say “I promise” in place of “I swear”.  He was a very heavy drinker and died as a result of his drinking.

James Buchanan – Wrote the now famous note to Abraham Lincoln: “If you are as happy entering the White House as I on leaving, you are a happy man indeed.”

Abraham Lincoln: He was the first president to be born outside of the original 13 colonies. He was born in Kentucky. 

Andrew Johnson – The 14th Amendment to the Constitution was passed in Congress during Johnson’s Administration, even though he himself did not believe former slaves should have the same legal rights as white people.

In 2006 Obama voted against the debt ceiling increase. Obama called it a failure of leadership, irresponsible, and unpatriotic. Now Obama says raising the debt ceiling is the right thing to do. No shortage of hypocrisy from Obama. Obama has done absolutely nothing to address this countries fiscal condition, and all his claims of spending cuts are nothing but Washington accounting gimmicks and spin. Obama broke is single most needed promise of his first term, and that was cutting the deficit in half. Instead Obama more then doubled it, and he will leave office after his second term having added more to our national debt then all previous presidents combined. The Obama legacy will be he came, he spent, and he left future generations owing more then 20 trillion with nothing to show for it.

developed 19 areas where President Obama could use executive orders to institute new gun control policy.

So we live in a dictatorship now?

Hey Johntho

When I hear reports of so-called ' bare existence ' pulling in anywhere from 2 to 3 grand a month, how is sensible?? It creates a stronger need for welfare given all the BS going on doesn't it? The numbers on that DO continue to rise. Where is the incentive to work IF they have the choice NOT to and can get paid MORE money simply by staying home. Oh by the way, that does happen to. It is happening all around the country.

p.s. soooo make necessary cuts to the military. I said that a long time ago. Bring them home NOW. Why wait??? *smiles*

Pat Boston, MA-

James Polk – It was during his presidency in which gaslights were first installed in The White House. He was President when the US won the Mexican-American War.

Nice list, Pat.

Polk served one term.

Salud

It appears that the chief goal of Obama’s press conference yesterday was to pin the responsibility -- and potential blame -- on Congress for raising (or not raising) the debt ceiling

Yes, so easy to point fingers to make up for his own inability to get this under control.

Meanwhile, they seek to spend, spend, spend in an effort to get out of debt. What an amazing philosophy is that?

@GreatlyEntitled, because bringing the troops home from established bases overseas (not in the war zones) costs more than it ever saves.

Obama the flip flopper.

This is the idiocy of the left

Obama want to continue increasing the debt limit until the whole debt is pay-off. Obama is pointing the gun on Americans heads.

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.....Barack Hussein Obama

amy said: "Feisty, I didn't see the press conference, but I have read the transcript, and, in defense of the journalists, at least their questions gave the President a chance to make his points"

is that really what you want the press to do? ask questions designed to allow a president to get his talking points out?

that is what official state run media does for leaders -- a free press is challenging but respectful

GreatlyEntitled, If you think that living on a bare existence is a great life you should try it. No one wants to be on welfare, no one.

If you believe that I have bridge you may be interested in.

Still, the company with 128 employees has 5 to 7 job openings it can't fill. "We get really frustrated when we have a job and we can't get anyone to work it," said Randy Lovelace a production manager at Metal Technologies.

Even more incredible, Lovelace said some applicants have told him they'd rather stay unemployed instead of taking a job starting at $10.00 -to- $12.00 an hour.

"We have actually had people who we have hired for jobs. We have had them sit in front of us, set to start the next day, and then they call in and say, "I'm not gonna take that job, they just extended unemployment benefits,'" said a frustrated Lovelace. "At that point we've called the state of Indiana and turned 'em in. But yeah, we've had people say, 'I'm not taking that job.'"

At Aphelion Precision Technologies outside Chicago, Bill Black has jobs starting at $12.00 an hour he's been unable to fill for years.

"I ran an ad and I said, 'No experience necessary, apprentices willing to hire, willing to train.' No one showed up. Not a single applicant," said Black, whose parents founded Aphelion in 1981.

"In the blink of an eye, I'd hire [10 to 15 people] right now. That's the reality," said Black.

With more American manufacturers moving their plants to three shifts, the lack of applicants and inability to fill jobs is weighing on companies. At Metal Technologies there are work stations that sit empty because the company has openings.

"Even though you pay shift premiums and things like that to entice them to work those off-shifts, it's double hard to get them to work that," explained Conrad.

When Aphelion could not staff an overnight shift it joined a growing list of companies turning to lights out manufacturing. It now programs a machine to build parts overnight when no one is on the shop floor.

"I'm still running (want) ads," said Black. "Unfortunately, not many are showing up, but I'm still looking to hire."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100289795/Plenty_of_Manufacturing_Jobs_but_Too_Few_Applicants

I see that Fairfax Bill is back. I still remember when he exposed the Big Lie about the "skewed polls" that were covering up Mitt Whatzisface's big victory in November. This time he's exposing the Big Lie about the consequences of defaulting on the nation's debt. Ben Bernanke and all those economists are the Big Liars who are telling it. I'm sure Bill's explanation about debt default are as accurate as his revelations about the presidential polls.

As for the press conference, the intrepid beltway reporters have pinpointed the real reason for the debt ceiling crisis: President Obama doesn't schmooze enough with Republicans. He's hurt their fee-fees so bad it's understandable that they're going to wreck the economy. They need some way to express how unloved Obama makes them feel, so how could they NOT wreck the economy?

@serious

Those numbers should have been decreased even greater by now. The call to make cuts to the military are harped on consistently. So where do We The People make those cuts everyone keeps hollaring about?

Feisty, They lay down for Bush, so now they stand up to Obama. Doesn't make a lot of sense, but no worries, this President is a pretty patient guy and just uses their dumb questions to enlarge his points. I don't think anybody feels we are living in the golden age of journalism these days.

Go for it ... the Republican party would be annihilated.

Yes the republican politicians did this to themselves. The power and greed over took them and they forgot about the people. This is the same exact path the democrat politicians are on. Your party is headed to ruin. It isn't going to be soon, but it is happening. The republican party lost citizens due to them straying from what is best for the country, I am one of those citizens. The same thing is going to happen to the democrat party since it's citizens have given the politicians a blank check and will not hold them responsible for any of their mistakes. You'll wake up one morning (like I did) and wonder what the hell happened to your politicians.

It is a fantasy to think that all welfare recipients and food stamp recipients are Democrats.

I could give an absolute @!$%# which party welfare recipients belong to. All I know is there is a @!$%#load of people on welfare and foodstamps that do not need them and do not deserve them. Those programs are meant to help people that absolutely need the help. It is not there to purchase votes. Just this last weekend, when I was returning a couple of Redbox movies, I saw a young couple using their EBT card to rent movies. I don't pay my taxes so that lazy people can be entertained.

And now obama is going to try and push through amnesty once again. Yes, it's amnesty. I don't give a @!$%# what spin obama puts on it. If you don't have to go through the current legal processes to become a citizen, it's amnesty. I can guarantee that he's not going to enforce the welfare stipulation that immigrants going through the legal system have to obey either. Since we're talking millions and millions of low income, uneducated workers, our welfare system is going to get flooded. You think we have too many on foodstamps now? Just wait until he forces amnesty through. Toss another 10 or 11 million on there.

They lay down for Bush, so now they stand up to Obama. Doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't think anybody feels we are living in the golden age of journalism these days.

Are you @!$%#ing kidding me? The left wing media (i.e. 80% of the total media) totally hammered bush through his terms. Hell, most of the time he deserved it. They definitely didn't lay down for him. As far as standing up to obama? Lol, you're off your rocker lady. They've been in bed with obama from the start. Hell, at least he's giving them lube unlike the middle class.

@!$%#ing libs.

So I see the President has now admitted that he was "irresponsible" and "absurd" as a Senator.

President Obama on Monday slammed Republicans who are resisting an increase to the nation's debt ceiling without further deficit reductions and vowed he won't negotiate on the issue.

Obama called the GOP stance "irresponsible" and "absurd" and warned it would set off an economic crisis. He said the United States was not a "deadbeat nation" that fails to pay its bills.

So if Republicans go ahead and vote against raising the debt ceiling exactly how are they different from Senator Obama in 2006?

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. ... I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

— Then-Sen. Barack Obama, floor speech in the Senate, March 16, 2006

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/annotating-obamas-2006-speech-against-boosting-the-debt-limit/2013/01/14/aa8cf8c4-5e9b-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_blog.html

From what I can see he was irresponsible as a Senator, or made a vote for political purposes (remembers all the present votes in Illinois?) knowing it would go down to defeat, a very cynical action.

What a load of crap! What does the Spewer In Chief have for an answer on either the Debt or the Deficit? He doesn't! All he is interested in is blaming the Republicans. What a leader. One bad year under GW, 4 bad years under Obama. He is a joke of a leader.

Geo,

Yeah sure buddy, and what are republicans interested in. Please do tell..

@Houston

As for the press conference, the intrepid beltway reporters have pinpointed the real reason for the debt ceiling crisis: President Obama doesn't schmooze enough with Republicans. He's hurt their fee-fees so bad it's understandable that they're going to wreck the economy. They need some way to express how unloved Obama makes them feel, so how could they NOT wreck the economy?

So why exactly did Senator Obama vote to wreck the economy in 2006?

Alan NJ:

So if Republicans go ahead and vote against raising the debt ceiling exactly how are they different from Senator Obama in 2006?

Senator Obama was making a protest against Bush's irresponsible spending when he voted against raising the debt ceiling, and he wouldn't have done it if his vote were really needed to avert default on the debt. He wasn't holding the US economy hostage to get his demands met. The Republicans are doing exactly that. Next question?

A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand. – Lucius Annaeus Seneca, c. 4BC - 65AD.

Surprise......Surprise, Obama has lied to US!

Wow like that is News? He has used the Unconstitutional Power of Executive Order as if he was Caesar to rob honest Americans of their Rights all the while using it to protect and defend his Corporate Masters on Wall Street like Goldman Sachs.

Write you Congress Person and demand that Obama's Legacy be the end of the Unconstitutional Power of Executive Order. Congress has that Power if not the Will!

All of these Corporate Presidents since Regan have used the assumed Power of Executive Order to become Lying Murdering Dictators to US!

Always remember Obama's New Presidential Kill List is a EXECUTIVE ORDER!

The Constitution shall never be construed … to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. – Samuel Adams

Watching President Obama deal with the press yesterday reminded me what great patience it takes to be president. Some of those questions really were "eye rolling" ones. It is troubling to think we have legislators and the WH press corps who do not know the difference between the deficit, debt, spending bills and the debt ceiling. I don't doubt that it is difficult to think up a question different from all the others--we tend to think in narrow bands of focus whether fiscal cliff or debt ceiling crisis. While repeating the same questions over and over gave President Obama the opportunity to make his points over and over, I could not help wondering why some so-called journalists were repeating GOP talking points as questions.

No offense to the lady who asked if President Obama socialized more with republicans, wouldn't that make it easier to get things done but....seriously, lady, where the heck were you when President Obama invited Congress to a weekly cocktail hour after first taking office in an effort to promote bi-partisanship and getting to know each other? Where the heck were you when he invited Congress to a SuperBowl party? Where the heck were you when he invited Congress to attend the screening of "Lincoln"? Did you miss him playing golf with Speaker Boehner? Speaker Boehner has turned down six (6) state dinner invitations and yet that journalist seemed willing to blame President Obama for the lack of "socialization". We have serious problems in this country, there were dozens of issues to question. It was offensive to see a journalist ask an ignorant question about whether socializing more would help solve those problems. By the way, President Obama's answer to the "socializing" question was pitch perfect and pointed out the hypocrisy of the question as well as the lack of preparation by the journalist asking it.

@jackass obimbo supporters; enjoy the tax HIKE!!! ` I KNOW I WILL!!! (jackass`es) more dept no prob, we`s blame`s Bush!!! did i say jackass?

Stuff it Bill!

Nice to see you again too, Miss Feisty. I notice you haven't lost your touch.

this idiot in the white house is a joke.. you can tell he is lying because his lips are moving.. what's sad is half of America actually believes him .. the other half has a brain

So if Republicans go ahead and vote against raising the debt ceiling exactly how are they different from Senator Obama in 2006?

in short, they're not. In lefty liberal FR world, Obama is the Savior of America and times were 'different' way back in 2006 (he wasnt Emper...President).

So Houston, then it was Bush's irresponsible spending and now it's Congress's irresponsible spending?

Which is it? The President or the Congress who is reponsible for all the Irresponsible spending?

Wow, Jody, I didn't see the President press conference, I just read the transcript FR provided, so I missed this exchange.

I will never understand why Republican leaders didn't use their opportunity to condemn the whole birther nonesense. They could have looked like champions of equality if they had pushed back on goofy old Donald Trump. It was a gift from the political Gods, and they missed it. What were they afraid of? Losing the bubba vote?

Senator Obama was making a protest against Bush's irresponsible spending when he voted against raising the debt ceiling, and he wouldn't have done it if his vote were really needed to avert default on the debt. He wasn't holding the US economy hostage to get his demands met. The Republicans are doing exactly that. Next question?

So he was posturing? Now how do we know he wouldn't have voted for the Iraq war if it was politically expedient? How can we know what any of his votes mean for if he would change them if affected the result?

I guess it's not surprising from the candidate who claimed that he would never force people to pay for health insurance and then as President signed into law the individual mandate.

Is there anything he said on the last campaign that we can trust?

And you guys called Romney a flip-flopper.

So I ask the left, shouldn't we just raise the debt ceiling to around 100 trillion dollars, that is about the total of unfunded liabilities.

And FYI there is a difference between debt and bills to pay.

I am so glad the president and congress don't have as much impact as the partisans who routinely post here believe. This is nothing but theater, blaming the other side for doing what they both do best, nothing! The reason things are the way they are is because both sides want it that way, they both created it and both perpetuate it and the partisan buffoons justify it and the beat goes on.

Houston - "Senator Obama was making a protest against Bush's irresponsible spending when he voted against raising the debt ceiling, and he wouldn't have done it if his vote were really needed to avert default on the debt. He wasn't holding the US economy hostage to get his demands met. The Republicans are doing exactly that. Next question?"

Is that sarcasm? Because no rational person can possibly believe that.

I will never understand why Republican leaders

Is it because you're too much of a genius to understand a bunch of gun toting, bible thumping pale male and stale rednecks? Wait, isnt Obama's cabinet pale male and stale? *GASP*

Jody, Iowa-

By the way, President Obama's answer to the "socializing" question was pitch perfect and pointed out the hypocrisy of the question as well as the lack of preparation by the journalist asking it.

I think that jounalist got their degree at FU!

(Faux University).

Salud

They say United We Stand, Divided We Fall... and for that reason President Obama is the worst president we have ever seen. Through his class warfare he has effectively lead to the polarization of our country. At no time in history has our country been so divided, and it is extremely sad. Now he goes one step further and divides the country yet again by attacking individuals RIGHTS. Congrats President Obama - Your legacy will forever be the following: 1) Record Spending, so much in fact that you have spent more than presidents 1 - 43 combined. 2) Dividing the citizens of the United States - polarization like no one in this country has ever seen. Once again Congrats - you have done things other presidents never have - but are any of them good?

To the conservatively impaired, a quick check of historical debt ceiling votes will show that both parties when they are in the minority cast "protest votes". However, both the majority and the minority always ensured there were enough votes to increase the debt ceiling because back then, those same parties recognized the catastrophic impact that failing to raise the debt ceiling would have.

Now, we have republicans legislators (Marsha Blackburn was one yesterday) who do not grasp the simple fact that government shut downs in the past have been the result of the failure to pass "spending bills" not a failure to increase the debt ceiling. They are not the same thing. These idiots, yes they are idiots, lack the basic understanding that the debt is money THEY ALREADY SPENT.

The suggestion I have for President Obama and Treasury is IF these republicans fools decide to opt for declaring the US in bankruptcy, they and their families should be the first ones to NOT receive a paycheck, the first ones to NOT have the government subsidized portion of their health insurance paid.

I have followed politics for many years and never, ever have I seen so many incompetent, ignorant, selfish people in either party as are in the republican legislative caucus today.

Looks like Bill from the vaginal probe capital of this country is an easy target today. When reading his post, it almost feels like it was Oct 2012 all over again... Oh how time flies but things just stay the same for some people lol

Rick3416939- THE TRUTH WILL SET US FREE.

Carlos - "This is nothing but theater, blaming the other side for doing what they both do best, nothing! The reason things are the way they are is because both sides want it that way, they both created it and both perpetuate it and the partisan buffoons justify it and the beat goes on."

Actually we are were we are (16+ trillion in debt) because both sides sold out their beliefs. We have a complex system of checks and balances so nothing does it gun especially irrational and in a hurry.

Backhouse,

You state that are having the strongest recovery so I ask you to submit your source for this. Here is the link for the Economist Magazine which publishes that data and we are no where near the strongest:

http://www.economist.com/news/economic-and-financial-indicators/21569409-output-prices-and-jobs

Forgetting China we are behind Norway, Russia, Turkey, Australia, India, plus many more countries.

The debt ceiling was raised 18 times under Reagan, 7 times under Bush and 3 times so far for Obama. Raising the debt ceiling when a republicans president is to be done without fanfare. When it's a democrat it's a catastrophe even though much of the cause was the Bush collapse, his wars, drug plan and tax cuts.

The only argument to be made about flip-floppers is whose flipper flopped. Mitt come most readily to mind.

If you support and listen to the BIG 0 you start to lie too.

Me scotch tape himself........

MUW, Obama has used the power of executive order about half as many times as George Jr.

Less than some POTUS, more than others.

I think it's been unde-rused in this administration. A lot of things would be much better if the GOP couldn't block or filibuster everything the Prez has submitted and many things the GOP itself submitted.

Larry - "When it's a democrat it's a catastrophe even though much of the cause was the Bush collapse, his wars, drug plan and tax cuts."

You do understand why that is, the dems/libs love spending other peoples money. Of course the Dems vote to raise the debt ceiling (unless you believe that crap above about PBO and some moral stand) how else can they possibly pay for their promises to get elected?

Even if Mit won, how could the dems vote against it? I mean they want to continue unemployment for life, increase spending, built new bridges, invest in green energy, union benefits, pay teachers more, and on and on and on. How in their right mind could they ever vote NO.

They say United We Stand, Divided We Fall... and for that reason President Obama is the worst president we have ever seen. Through his class warfare he has effectively lead to the polarization of our country

FreedomOverSympathy: You have the effect correct but apparently aren't smart enough to determine the cause. Dividing the country? Wasn't it Romney talking about the 47% while Obama spoke of the 100%? Isn't criticism of the working poor and elderly divisive? Both republican presidents and democrats have implemented tax increases during times of war or when deficits got too big. Only current republicans point to withdrawing a small part of the Bush tax cuts from those who could most afford it and call that class warfare. If raising taxes that mostly affects one segment of the population then every president since Washington's probably guilty.

Why was Ryans original plan to eliminate the home mortgage deduction and employer health exemption responsible governing because they fell mostly on the middle class but a small tax increase on the wealthy is class warfare? The truth is because most on the radical right listen to those like Limbaugh worth 100 million or so tell them low taxes on the rich create jobs so it's better to tax the poor and they're stupid enough to believe it. If that were true wouldn't Bushs 400 billion a year tax cut not have resulted in the lowest job creation record since Eisenhower? Wasn't it supposed to create jobs?

Hey gang!

A reminder that Feisty, David Walker, Pigotry, and Beverley are all the same poster. They all post from the same IP address.

I know, very sad! LMFAO!!

Well, now you've gone and done it RedDev -

Wouldn't it be easier to just release a genetically altered flu strain that targets our fellow citizens over 68?

When Captain Tripps (Senior) get released, I'm blaming you. ;-) (Sorry - I was reading The Stand recently...it was too good to pass up.)

The only argument to be made about flip-floppers is whose flipper flopped. Mitt come most readily to mind.

pretty disingenious. Mitt never owned a dolphin

The USA becomes the eastern precinct of China as Obama sells us to them to pay the debt.

Ooooh, scary - because according to the right, all the debt is owned by China.

Really? This is what passes for journalism? Broken promises that were left out were creation of new jobs(anyone remember shovel ready jobs not so shovel ready?), fixing the debt(2008 speech),end to the rhetoric after Arizona/Giffords shooting( The Rhetoric never stops with him), Address the housing market (millions still foreclosing 5 years after) guns (fast and furious arming criminals in Mexico) and that is just the first 2 years of a Presidency that upon initiating Universal Healthcare was despised by the majority of Americans the way it was rammed through Congress ( We have to pass it to know what is in it?) give me a break. We cannot keep electing people who lack moral fiber and intestinal fortitude ( aka career politicians who have accomplished nothing in the real world).

Larry - Short Memory much?

Obama spoke of the 100% - Wasn't it actually the Rich vs. the 98%?

Forget the little made up war on women?

Since the trillion dollar Obama-Pelosi stimulus was passed the labor force participation rate has dropped to a 29 year low. (RSC)

Since Obama took office the labor force has shrunk from 66% to 63% as almost 5 million American adults stopped looking for work.

The words to pay attention to are: labor force participation rate

because they fell mostly on the middle class but a small tax increase on the wealthy is class warfare?

Because actually raising tax on the rich wasn't for any other reason then class warfare, it isn't helping our deficit or recreating jobs, what other reason would you do that?

1) After the Bush administration tax cuts, there were 52 months of continuous job creation – TRUE

2) 52 months of job creation is the largest such period in American history - TRUE

pretty disingenuous. Mitt never owned a dolphin

Did I pretend not to have the ability to type a capital F?

I think approaching Ann Romney with a DWTS invitation was disrespectful, period.

That's a bit like asking Pelosi, Feinstein, Michelle or Hillary to appear on The Price is Right.

You left out a few.

Eliminate all oil and gas tax loopholes, Allow five days of public comment before signing bills, Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials, closing Gitmo and Require 25 percent renewable energy by 2025.

President: "If we default, the Social Security checks won't be written, or the veterans benefit checks, or maybe even our military won't get their checks"!

Question (that should have been asked): "How about welfare checks and food stamps, you didn't mention them, will those also stop"?

Tom, shut your radio off, it wasn't the democrats that put us 16 trillion in debt, it was the republicans cutting taxes, starting two wars, providing an drug benefit for seniors, etc. Tax and spend democrats is a myth, but borrow and spend republicans are a fact.

Larry - How long has the FASFA program been running? About 40 years correct? Its interesting that FASFA only helps low income individuals and the lower spectrum of Middle class individuals ... yet only 27.2% of our Nation has a Bachelors degree. The interesting thing is the vast majority of that 27.2% also have parents that obtained a bachelors degree or better. Why is it that the majority of our nations poor have not taken advantage of the FASFA program, at least in any meaningful manner that ended with a degree? Ah - that's right, because you have to work to obtain a four year degree - you cannot just steal from someone else who already has earned success. No University will hear the "give me a degree because its fair" line.

Do you have a bachelors degree or better? If not why don't you? Are you well off enough that a bachelors degree would not lead to higher pay?

Bobster - are you still spouting your imbecillic idiotcy? OMG you are such a dolt!

inMYDAY - it is nothing like approaching any of the women you listed and asking them to be on The Price is Right. Each of the women you listed is someone of importance who has a specific public role to fill - First Lady, Senator, Secretary of State. Ann Romney is no one!

I stand on the fact nobody wants to be on welfare, the vast majority would take a job if they have the ability and knowledge to do it. However with lies like some of you right wonders tell you would think that welfare is a great living. Triple digits. If you believe that call in and quit your jobs, you will see it is less then a bare existence, and is nothing anyone strives for. We take care of our own and we should. You SOBs want to call this a Christian nation but want to stave the very children that you force into the world by making decisions for woman. Shame on you even though you know no shame. Scumbag, greedy @!$%#s and I am not sure I haven't raised your value with that.

Johntho - I have a friend who works construction for one reason and one reason only - Winter.... He is willing to sit and be a flagger 1/2 of the year just because he can collect unemployment the other 1/2. He is willing to accept a laughable $250 a week just so he doesn't have to work. Its sad really. The crazy thing is - where I reside finding work isn't hard. In fact our Bank Tellers make more money per hour than he does, even when he is working, but alas Bank Tellers work during the winter - So he isn't a bank teller. Moreover this season he was offered a job in a Kitchen - making $10 an hour - he told me about this job while laughing - saying eh - I will just take my $250 a week and not have to work.

johnnyboy, The "started two wars" BS from you is quite stale ... both wars were approved by Congress !

All you are doing, AS USUAL, is making excuses for Obama's financial incompetence !!

Tax and spend democrats is a myth, but borrow and spend republicans are a fact.

That's pretty damn funny as we (the middle class) sit here with an expired payroll tax cut, at the same time GE, Citigroup and other corps get their tax breaks extended so they don't have to even pay taxes, at the same time, obama and his butt buddies in congress refuse to do any actual spending cuts.

You were saying?

The media yesterday finally grew some and though they did not give B.O. the tough questions he deserves to be asked and Americans deserve to have answer, they did point out some of the lies B.O. has said during the last 4 years which made the dictator extremely hostile. I am predicting this will be the last news conference B.O. will participate in for the next 4 years. The only time we will hear his ramblings is when he gives NBC reporters a private interview in which he types of the questions and has ample time to come up with an answer that he believes will appease the small minded Americans who voted for him.

Johntho - you are right. The vast majority of people receiving government assistance would do anything for a job that pays a decent living. The exceptions are relatively few. I've seen jobs posted and lines around the block of people who would do anything to get the job. Those who constantly harp on people being on welfare by choice don't want to face the truth. They simply don't care about people.

Barb210 - your predictions are about as good as the rest of your post - totally worthless and a waste of time!

I stand on the fact nobody wants to be on welfare

As ignorant and blind as you are, you HAVE to be living a blissful life.

Those who constantly harp on people being on welfare by choice don't want to face the truth.

I've seen and lived with the truth. Get the @!$%# out of your glass house and see the real world lib.

Tom, shut your radio off, it wasn't the democrats that put us 16 trillion in debt, it was the republicans cutting taxes, starting two wars, providing an drug benefit for seniors, etc. Tax and spend democrats is a myth, but borrow and spend republicans are a fact.

But this Administration extended those same tax cuts in 2010, extended them for 98% in 2012, cut the payroll tax by 2% for two years, expanded the drug benefit for seniors and sent a further 30,000 troops to Afghanistan. But somehow no Democrats are responsible?

Why don't you at least admit that BOTH parties are responsible for the debt.

Sanity,

"idiotcy"

LMFAO!!!! You are calling me names and yet you cannot spell idiocy. LOLOLOLOL!

Liberals. God love em! LOL!

All Obama did to Wall St. was make them the Alfred E. Newman of all political promises.

Sadly, Mr. President, that reform you promised us scored a big fat 'F' grade. Now you know who really runs this country...

LOL, Bobster

Down here we say, "bless her (or his) heart."

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Ann Romney was approached by Dancing With the Stars but turned the show down.

oh, how sad for Queen Ann - she goes from being a potential First Lady to this? Now Sarah 'Failin" Palin's daughter and Ann Romney have something in common.

@seeking sanity,

The only thing Michelle is filling very well is the back side of her skirt.

Outside of the U. S. (and for many inside the U. S.) she is regarded as a pathetic, ungraceful, naive jerk.

LOL!

Yeah, liberals post on here how great shape mrs obama is in. LOL! She has that huge booty! LOL! But I guess compared to Hilary, they are right. LMFAO!

I'm spoiled though since my girlfriend is a former Miami Heat dance team gal and works out everyday. Now she is in great shape!

I own a company and I have offices in several European cities. Obama is a joke in Europe. Europe is becoming more conservative everyday. It's amazing what has happened in the last 10 years over there. They now realize that socialism has failed much like it's cousin communism failed before it

I get so gwaddamned tired of hearing about the great republican "strawman" "the national debt" and the "debt ceiling". The Country has always had some debt. Our debt is so high right now, simply because our economy has been so weak. As we strengthen our employment situation we will significantly lower our deficits. Actually, if we were to sell 6 trillion in treasuries today, at an interest yield of 2.5 percent, then be able to gain full employment during the next two years, we could then, after 3 years of full employment, which would bring interest rates back up to about 6.5 %, buy back those notes for approximately 2.75 trillion. Japan presently holds a national debt that is about 240 % of its GDP, yet continues to buy US treasuries, and in fact has just announced an economic stimulus of some 20 trillion Yen, or some 140 billion dollars. This is how it's done. What the gwaddamned hell are we doing, continuing to "Dick" around with such gwaddamned claptrap as put forth by "pea brained" tea partyites, and the likes of bloggers, representative of the indomitably stupid "Bill Fairfax, Va.? Wanna fix the debt? Apply policy that brings "full Employment".

inMYday

I live in Canada and am often in Europe. I have yet to hear anyone call the First Lady a "pathetic, naive jerk." I can assure you that those outsiders will consider your post to be written by one.

@seeking sanity, you wrote "ann romney is no one!"

She's certainly a lot more important than you are, and contrary to what you said, she is important.

@blackcatwhitecat, they didn't say it in English (duh). They used expressions like "nicht recht gescheit," and "pathétique enfantin."

inMYday

Ann Romney (the Romneys) are proof that cash cannot turn trash into class. She truly is in touch with middle class America by having 2 dishwashers in her kitchen, 4 or 5 washer/dryers, and the hidden illegal immigrant that is actually the one using them. Shouldn't the Romney's be on their world wide tour visiting their money on some tropical island? Remember, PIRATES are the ones who hide their money...

As for you republicants that blame Obama for the debt, a fly farting in the middle of the atlantic, or any other obtuse reason.. watch this little CLIP... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0 Please GET A BASIC UNDERstanding of what CONGRESS is responsible for....

As for you republicants that blame Obama for the debt, a fly farting in the middle of the atlantic, or any other obtuse reason.. watch this little CLIP... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0 Please GET A BASIC UNDERstanding of what CONGRESS is responsible for....

So, will you accept that Bill Clinton did not balance the budget? Using your logic Newt Gingrich and the Republican congress were responsible?

BlackCatWhiteCat - If you live in Canada - why are you posting on American policies and principals as if you lived in America? I have yet to ever log onto another nations news and spew my opinions .... Maybe you should follow in my lead and focus on your country - not ours.

Dean in 3rd world Wisconsin....Really.... REALLY? Is that clueless statement really the best you can do by still "Blaming Bush" 5 years later? George Bush Jr was a DICTATOR TOO but he only had people Tortured Obama has the KILLED! Anyone else remember Obama's Executive Order Presidential Kill List?

Now Bailout Barry wants to disarm US by Dictatorial Decree for his Masters of Wall Street without even bothering with Congressional Approval?

What a Crock of Nonsense this isn't about an Unconstitutional Executive Order to close Federal Offices on Christmas Eve this is about Raping the Constitution itself!

Yet once again the only excuse you Anti Gun People got is "Bush" signed an Executive over or about "Some Petty Thing" once upon a time while Obama uses them to attack America with TODAY!

Once again demand Congress strip the Office of President and Wannabe Dictator of the self assumed Power of Executive Orders for violation of OUR Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States and let that be Barrack Obama's Legacy and Gift to America!

The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, bows, spears, firearms or other types of arms. The possession of these elements makes difficult the collection of taxes and dues, and tends to permit uprising. – Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Japanese Shogun, August 29, 1558

itsabouttime,

Thank you for the virtual tour of the Romney's household and for itemizing their appliances.

I'm confident that you were a welcome guest in their home when you had the opportunity to take notes on what they own.

I infer that you speak of yourself as well in your cash/trash/class postulate, as revealed by your metaphor using "a fart."

Just so you'll know, "good taste" and "class" are two different things.

She truly is in touch with middle class America by having 2 dishwashers in her kitchen, 4 or 5 washer/dryers, and the hidden illegal immigrant that is actually the one using them

Shall we then go through the list of how the obamas are in touch with the middle class by their vacations, and personal property/wealth? Neither family is in touch with the middle class and I find it extremely offensive for obama to even think he 'knows what the middle class goes through' and that 'he was one of us'. He had a very privileged upbringing in our country, to say otherwise is to lie.

Bobster#1.101

Bullsh^t futures looking good eh? Aye Gwad, least you hope so. You've had to take delivery of so much of the stuff the EPA's gonna shut you down if you can't soon move it. As you can see, this thread won't bear more than two pokes of your turds. Can't hope to strew it all here.

FreedomOverSympathy

BlackCatWhiteCat - If you live in Canada - why are you posting on American policies and principals as if you lived in America? I have yet to ever log onto another nations news and spew my opinions .... Maybe you should follow in my lead and focus on your country - not ours.

This is the internet, it does not have a country of residence.

As America has the ability to destroy the world, it is everyone's business.

I pay US taxes when I reside there ... taxed without representation.

When I login to this site I get Canadian ads ... MSNBC likes the money. There are at least 1000 Canadians posting on this site and many more just reading ... go ask management if they want us to go away.

So far only a handful of people have complained. Most seem to enjoy my posts.

You are more than welcome to comment on Canada in all of her media. Many Americans do, and we politely listen to what they have to say ... we do not fear opinions from the outside.

Erm, so exactly how many of you are from Canada? Just curious.

Tom - Plymouth-3672298

Houston - "Senator Obama was making a protest against Bush's irresponsible spending when he voted against raising the debt ceiling, and he wouldn't have done it if his vote were really needed to avert default on the debt. He wasn't holding the US economy hostage to get his demands met. The Republicans are doing exactly that. Next question?"

Is that sarcasm? Because no rational person can possibly believe that.

I doubt you know any rational people, so your opinion is highly suspect.

Something to look
forward to…….

In the coming New Year, 2013, both Groundhog Day and the State of the Union address will occur on the same day. This is an ironic juxtaposition of events. One involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to
an insignificant creature of little intelligence for prognostication.

The other involves a groundhog.

John - "Tom, shut your radio off, it wasn't the democrats that put us 16 trillion in debt, it was the republicans cutting taxes, starting two wars, providing an drug benefit for seniors, etc."

All things passed by both parties. yet the blame goes to Bush, Obama extended Afghan, passed Obamacare, and continued the tax cuts for two years and made the rest permanent?

How the @!$%# to differentiate these two things in your small mind?

The King is heading towards impeachment. Give it a little more time.

BlackCatWhiteCat - I have enough respect for the Canadian people to not interfere and meddle in their politics. So you do not have to worry - I will mind my own business, which is America's business... not Canada's.

White Collar Auto

So Houston, then it was Bush's irresponsible spending and now it's Congress's irresponsible spending?

Which is it? The President or the Congress who is reponsible for all the Irresponsible spending?

Bush had a Republican Congress that for whatever Bush wanted, including his irresponsible tax cuts, his two unfunded wars, and the drug benefits that were a giveaway to the big pharmaceuticals the costs of which the Bush administration lied about. Obama does not exactly have a cooperative Congress.

But that, of course, is beside the point that I answered Alan N.J. question even though he won't admit it: Obama voted against the debt ceiling increase once as a protest. The Republicans are holding the US economy hostage with the threat that if their demands are not met, they will kill the hostage.

American Taliban because that will make us citizens safer? Or because you are a hypocrite your freedom compared to others?

Houston, so you forgot the first two years of PBO? You know where he passed a trillion dollar stimulus, Obamacare, and extended the Bush tax cuts, expanded Afghan.

Houston - Bush spend way, way too much and now PBO is at least spending the same at worst WAY more, and you think somehow it is different.

And FYI, the repubs have absolutely said they will raise the debt ceiling with cuts.

(Again that is PBO's protest vote was for, how can you not understand they are doing exactly what he was saying as a Senator)

and to you deaf libs, PBO ran on a balance approach to the deficit, taxes have been raised, where the @!$%# the balance?

First Read:

It appears that the chief goal of Obama’s press conference yesterday was to pin the responsibility -- and potential blame -- on Congress for raising (or not raising) the debt ceiling.

Obama doesn't have the power to raise the debt ceiling. Only Congress can do it. So how are the beltway media folks going to figure out a way to assign blame to anyone BUT Congress? Maintaining the False Equivalency is such a tough jobs sometimes that it's no wonder journalists get paid the big bucks for doing it.

American, you are correct the earth didn't grind to a halt, but there are millions more relying on the Government for food then ever and the work force has actually gotten smaller, but go on and continue to make fun and belittle those people, because you are doing fine.

Did you learn that a lib 101?

Tom - Plymouth-3672298

Houston, so you forgot the first two years of PBO? You know where he passed a trillion dollar stimulus, Obamacare, and extended the Bush tax cuts, expanded Afghan.

I also know Obama prevented the Bush Recession from turning into the Bush Depression with the stimulus. And the CBO says that "Obamacare" is going to DECREASE the deficit.

But American, we are not a democracy, so I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Because 60% didn't want Obamacare but it passed.

and finally were is your proof of 60%?

American Taliban - Do you know and understand the difference between a democracy and a republic? Once you figure out the difference - can you differentiate which American is?

"And the CBO says that "Obamacare" is going to DECREASE the deficit."

isn't that what the CBO said about Med D (Which I hated back then), and hasn't the price of Obamacare tripled since the first score.

Basically you have said over and over PBO can do no wrong, and if somebody that has a R next to there name can do no right.

(and I say both suck, both spend too much and both are hypocrites)

“The fact that we're here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means 'The buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.”

“And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities.” - Senator Barack Obama, D-Ill, Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt, March 16, 2006

...."failure of leadership"...right out of the horses mouth.

America is not a democracy, we do not have mob rule.

We protect the minority. Do some research!

Feisty and Company, biggest hypocrites in these here parts. It's ok to call others names, but once someone who disagrees with your position does it, it's not OK. Must feel good to have such power on an internet message board...all for likes, little green stars, and pats on the back. I'd be scared to see what you're like away from your keyboards. Yuck.

Seeking - still projecting? Still calling others dumb, and idiots? Wow.

As you were though - this daily dose of comedy is outstanding!!! Remember, we're the ones laughing at you Internet wackos!

American, So the last two years of Bush who controlled the house and senate?

they didn't have anything to do with anything and that was 4 years ago and still the work force continues to get smaller and more people continue to go on welfare. At what point does he get at least 1% of the blame in your mind?

Just a few short years ago and maybe today well over 50% of the population didn't want abortions, let me guess you are not demanding the an abortions.

A prospective candidate for the job of P.O.T.U.S.usually attempts to inform the voters of where he stands and where his attempts to advance the welfare of his hopefully employers will be.Our present holder of that post did and has honestly done so .His defeated opponent advanced the ridiculous I can do better than he claim ,with no formed policy and no platform what so ever, except I am a rich and successful business owner. We the voters rejected that premise,but his sycophants still insist that he was right. The only thing right was his political philosophy. Now get over his defeat and support this country. The present P.O.T.U.S. is the first minority to be chosen, but I doubt if he will be the last. We white middle class citizens are becoming of lesser importance as voters,so start to understand that support for our betterment is also a support for your own.Most of you have understood the comment No Man Is An Island ,It should read no person is,but that is being more agreed on so come into the twenty first century.

FreedomOverSympathy

BlackCatWhiteCat - I have enough respect for the Canadian people to not interfere and meddle in their politics. So you do not have to worry - I will mind my own business, which is America's business... not Canada's.

Once again, this is the internet. When you rail against Iran's leadership are you not interfering to use your definition?

BTW ... a foreign politician as in Netanyahu can interfere. A foreign power such as yours can and does interfere. To illegally vote would interfere. To provided funds to another country for electoral purposes would be to interfere. To flood another culture with one's own would be to interfere. A single voice powerless to do any of that is so feared by you? How sad. Perhaps my keyboard is mightier than I thought. Wow, thanks, you made my day.

Feisty and Company, biggest hypocrites in these here parts

What UP with the name change there RosieOlDonnellsMustache?

You re-regs are dumber than dirt! lol

@Fiesty, when Ronald Reagan got 528 out of a possible 535 electoral college votes, now that was a resounding defeat. Got 49 out of 50 states. But I guess getting around 300 is a big deal to you. You can boast all you want, but you are backing a candidate who may not be eligible to even be president. Waiting for the day when we are told it was all a ruse. And if you think the Republicans are the only ones to have brought about the "birther" movement , Hilliary was one of the first to bring it up and even went as far as to get a lawyer about it. Obama himself, even described himself as the man from Kenya back when his being Kenyan did not matter so much. Look at his debate with Keyes. If he were to release his college transcripts all would probably be revealed, what is he hiding?

@Backhouse, why do you blame, blame, blame Republicans for everything. They did not want Obamacare, yet, somehow, it is law. So much for Republicans being able to stop Obama at all stops. And as for the so called jobs bill, Obama had the votes. It did not pass. Why blame the Republicans when if the Democrats actually liked the bill and voted for it, it would have passed. And maybe if Obama had spent more time on the economy and Obamacare, then maybe we would be further along.

Good thing your public education was free, because if not, you would be due a refund.

Bycrackee,

Fisty and InSanity are typical libs. They insult everyone that disagrees with them and their grab for power. They feel they can dictate to the rest of the country what they think is right instead of just minding their own business. Notice they never post anything to support a certain view? They just insult when they dont agree. They are commies and should move to China or Russia if they think the government controling everything is so great.

@ Bobster

You do realize that by posts like that below you completely destroy any argument that you have, right? Unless you are so extremely left wing, then I'll tip my hat. Perfect strategy. Completely polarizing, but from a strategic point, perfectly played by a left winger.

Unless you lean right. Then plain idiotic.

Hey gang!

A reminder that Feisty, David Walker, Pigotry, and Beverley are all the same poster. They all post from the same IP address.

I know, very sad! LMFAO!!

You can boast all you want, but you are backing a candidate who may not be eligible to even be president.

Lookee here folks!

We got ourselves are bat @!$%# crazy birther who believes it's relevant to the conversation!

Sweet heart, find your way back to NewsforDumbFux, a Ditto-Head like yourself fits in perfectly over there!

PS: Here's a cracker for you my little pet parrot! ;o)

Feisty Redhead - Since you seem to love running around calling everyone an idiot - I am curious, what is your education level?

To be clear, we've been told that this is the worst depression since the great depression. WE've been told that going over the cliff will be devastating. We are being told that not raising the debt ceiling will be world ending. And the NRA and Repubs get the "Fear-monger" label?

Fact: The Iraq withdrawl was a Bush plan

Fact: most successful alternate fuel/oil projects were Bush projects

Fact: spending under the Bush administration doubled following the 2006 election

Fact: "war criminal" Bush had full support for Iraq/Afghanistan, while drones today continue to bomb countries and targets without authorization and troops that came "home from Iraq" are continually deployed to Africa and Afghanistan.

Some of you on here are arguing that the debt is still the republicans fault because now they are in congress. but where was the democrats fault in 06/07 for doubling the deficit. O wait, it was easier to blame Bush the republican. Because he "started" a war based on Al Quida presence in Iraq and WMD reports previoiusly given to Clinton in his lame duck months.

While we have seen our own paychecks decrease and our money not stretch as far, the President still campaigns as if there is an election to be won. There has been no change.

Rick-3416939

In 2006 Obama voted against the debt ceiling increase. Obama called it a failure of leadership, irresponsible, and unpatriotic. Now Obama says raising the debt ceiling is the right thing to do

and what do you say about McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor who actually have something to do with raising (or not) of the debt ceiling?

2002 -YES!

2003 -YES!

2004 -YES!

2006 - YES!

2007 - YES!

How about this from Bohner?

"That would be a financial disaster, not only for our country but for the worldwide economy. Remember, the American people on election day said, 'we want to cut spending and we want to create jobs.' And you can't create jobs if you default on the federal debt."

but in 2013, the Republicans all of a sudden claim it will be no big deal if we default? HYPOCRITES!

inMYday

The only thing Michelle is filling very well is the back side of her skirt.

Outside of the U. S. (and for many inside the U. S.) she is regarded as a pathetic, ungraceful, naive jerk.

looks like inMYday's only source of information is Fox News and National Enquirer - 2 excellent sources of tabloid "news" and made up content.

@American Taliban, how does a party rooted in slavery and had an ex Klansmans, within the last five years, Robert Byrd W-Va., democrat, have the nerve to rant like that. It must be nice. If ignorance is bliss, you must be ecstatic.

Bored with the name. Rosie was so yesterday- what's the problem with that? And what the hell is a rereg? See? Obsessed, on an Internet message board. Quite sad, Feisty. Good luck with that! Lordy, Dr. Phil would have a field day with you! Projecting, just like your imaginary Internet friends.

I feel sorry for you, and will pray for you, that you find happiness in life.

steve-1962

... fiesty the ignorant bitch ... nobody cares what you have to say anyway.

As compared to the number of posters who care what you have to say? If your statement is factual that would put you in the minus column.

@Fiesty, glad I struck a nerve. And I will go where I please. Since it is still land of the free. And in case you can not read too clearly I stated that Hilliary was one of the first to bring it up. She is a Democrat. And as for staying on script, why do you have to call names. What does have to do with the debate.

And as for being a so-called birther, I am also black. Take that. Not all of us are drinking the kool aid. The Republicans have their issues, but I do not want government condoning the killing of the innocent. People like you are scary, which you prove everyday with you posts. The so called compassionate liberal, really?

Communism bit the dust in Russia, socialism in Europe. It is not self-sustaining. But yet you keep trying.

My people were released from slavery over a hundred years ago, but seems, some people still want to control us through welfare and telling us where to go. I go where I want. And vote for who I want. Thanks for concern though.

@Fiesty, this is still America and I will go/post where I want. How is name calling relevant to the discussion. I am a birther, just like the "President". Go figure.

The only promise that I know bozo kept was to fundamentally screw America! SORRY, I meant fundamentally "change" America. My bad.

american taliban...at least THAT part is correct! The P.O.S. in (i'm sorry is that suppose to be potus?) office is the enemy of the state and you socialist lefties are no different. Cancers on the AMERICAN way.

thats because Fisty is a Class A POS loser. This is her territory according to her. they even have a club on newsvine for a 'circle of friendship'. Very similar to another circle of friends that burn T's on front lawns and wear white robes..hmmm

such compassionate and tolerant people on FR eh FISTY? :o)

glad I struck a nerve.

Not on your best day darling! Please don't flatter yourself!

I stated that Hilliary was one of the first to bring it up.

She brought it up, it was debunked and she hasn't mentioned it since. Unlike birthers like you who chew on it like a dog on a ham bone!

I am also black.

To quote Dick Cheney - SOOO??? I care what color you are... WHY?? lol

Don't be so grumpy and enjoy the cracker, my little pet! ;o)

Feisty, why the hate? Be honest...man troubles? Angry divorcee? Can't squeeze into that size 19 any more? There has to be a reason. Tell us, maybe we can help...

Parker, as a member of that fraternity I can assure you that your (T)oga is safe from all but your flames. Perhaps I will start calling you Johnny Storm.

The liberals are out in force again.

Why do you continue to post your thoughtless, partisan drivel? Do any of you have an itemized list of what Obama spends all the money on? Of course not. It's called a budget, but he has never had an approved budget to restrain his spending, and you have no idea where your tax dollars go.Tell me, what is wrong with trying to spend within the guidelines of a budget? If you people think everyone trusts Obama's word, think again. He has yet to prove to be trustworthy.

In 2006 Obama voted against the debt ceiling increase. Obama called it a failure of leadership, irresponsible, and unpatriotic. Now Obama says raising the debt ceiling is the right thing to do,because he knows he is a failure.

h engbers

Tell me all about Obama's line item veto powers. Feel free to bring up Clinton vs City of New York.

thats all you have for me taliban? Really? IF and I say IF you have ever been to TEXAS you probably left out of fear of FREEDOM! Never seen that have ya? Always had the dems to feed you and wipe your a$$. Get over your self serving self.

And its STILL bushes fault. OH MY GOD!!! You looooonitics have no where else to turn do ya!

Come on Fiesty, really!!!!!! I think everyone knows you work for MSNBC or Obama. You are always one of the first to post. You only hear what you want to hear. Obama has done almost nothing of what he said he would do and still blames it all on the other side. Obama Care will lower your healthcare premiums by $2500.00...nope! Mine just went up another $500.00 a year and all of my copays also went up. Transparencey,deficit,unemployement and the lists go on and on.

Ah I see Feisty ignored my question about education level. Must be high school only huh darling? I kind of figured with your typical rants on here.

As for all the parrot talk - Feisty you say the same things every time... All I ever hear out of you is Libtard - Libtard - Libtard .... Libtard - Libtard - Libtard. Are you sure you are not the parrot?

Typical Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL, Dean in 3rd world Wisconsin, workingpoor-2370498, California Tom, David Walker, RedDevPS, Amy B. Portland, ME, Larry-367607, Backhouse, bayllie, listoire, American Taliban = GOP/TeaParty. et al, Newsvine Posts, your Further Dumbing Down of America.

Politicians manipulate voters every day with half-truths -- or outright lies -- about taxes, spending and many other issues that directly affect the nation's prosperity.

Too many voters embrace feel-good propaganda that they want to hear instead of learning the basic facts about issues they care about. They should do a better job of calling out dishonest politicians -- and shunning media outlets that stoke political food fights.

http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress

Iraq: President Obama's FAILED Foreign Policies as seen by the Ayatollahs of Iran as the US negotiating from a position of US Defeat, the Ayatollahs of Iran increased their Overt and Covert Activities against the US and US Allies with the RESULTS of:

Pressure on the Islamic Shia Government of Iraq to get the US out of Iraq. No more Negotiations with President Obama nor SOS Clinton. The US Gets Kicked out of Iraq. The Allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran, the Chinese and Russian Federation, get the Iraqis Oil that could have paid for the US And US Allies Liberation of Iraq with Decades to Centuries of Iraqis Oil. This Strategic Loss of Iraq RESULTS in: Making the Libyan Oil of Strategic Importance to the US European Allies (President Obama already outsmarted as the Holy Warriors of Islam are already at former US Ally Egypt attacking US Ally Libya.). The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran is no longer stuck between the US and US Allies Military Forces at Iraq and Afghanistan and can concentrate on Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, training, arming, funding millions of Holy Warriors of Islam at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq no longer has to worry about US nor US Allies Military interruptions nor interventions.

President Obama's Failed Foreign Policies RESULTED in the Permanent US And US Allies Losses of Strategic Resources Worldwide, US And US Allies Losses of Strategic Locations Worldwide, US And US Allies Losses of Strategic Vital US Allies Worldwide. President Obama's "Level the Playing Field" as bringing everyone down to the lowest common denominator as easier to do; instead of the more difficult bringing everyone else UP to the US Standard of Living; Welcome to President Obama's United Somalia of America.

The President Obama ACA, does not solve anything, in fact was so that President Obama could get Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions to keep his 2008 Presidential Campaign Offices open until his 2012 Reelection Campaign as quid pro quo since his ACA gave the Insurance Corporations $67 Billion, the Medical Device Corporations $23 Billion, and the Pharmaceuticals Corporations $20 Billion. During the 2008 Presidential Campaign Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton filed against Presidential Candidate Obama's Violating US Law, McCain Feingold Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act.

PBS Documentary "Obama's Deal".

It was President Obama on Face the Nation, September 22, 2009 that stated the problem with US Health Care was the Insurance Corporations, that manage mismanage Medicare, by Overcharging the US Citizens by 14%, to make profits of $17 Billion to $18 Billion per year. President Obama's ACA did NOTHING about this known Fraud against the US Citizens by the Insurance Corporations; but, instead rewarded the Insurance Corporations with $67 Billion.

The Debt Ceiliing. Your sewer overflows filling your house with sh!t, so you raise the ceiling.

The "Debt Ceiling" and "Fiscal Cliff" occurred due to President Obama demanding in his previous President's Proposal to US Congress the spending of $2.1 Trillion that was previously not budgeted for. In another President's Proposal to US Congress, President Obama demanded "Across the Board" Budget Cuts (Automatic Sequestration) to all previously Budgeted for Programs (like Medicare, etc.), Projects (like US Army Corps of Engineers Infrastructure Projects within the US, etc.), Agencies (like FEMA, Department of Education, Veteran's Affairs, etc.), chopping the Benefits and Entitlements of the "47%" (actual 49%, update 51%) to pay for his previous spending of $2.1 Trillion that was previously not budgeted for.

Before any of you post something uneducated a President's Proposal is a Demand, that if not considered, the President can threaten to Veto anything from the US Senate and US House of Representatives regardless of what it pertains to.

HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA DEMANDED IN HIS PRESIDENT'S PROPOSAL TO US CONGRESS THE SPENDING OF $2.1 TRILLION THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED WAS FOR.

Federal Spending:

60% Entitlements

20% Defense

13% Discretionary Spending

7% Interest on Loans (like loans from the Chinese)

Regarding Defense Budget Cuts, President Obama, 2012, "A 10% Defense Budget Cut will result in a Million (US) Civilians becoming Unemployed". I told all of you before that US Defense employs directly and indirectly almost a hundred million overpaid too expensive "Fair and Living Wage" US Civilians. While the US Military is currently only 1% of US Citizens, not paid a "Fair and Living Wage".

Houston! - I also know Obama prevented the Bush Recession from turning into the Bush Depression with the stimulus.

Nice attempt at the typical Demoncrap Demonizing Deflection of Blame Game. It was NOT President Bush (43) that eliminated those US Laws that made Illegal the Causes of previous Depressions, and with the elimination of those US Laws the resulting current $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion Global Economic Crisis consisting of the Mortgage Crisis, Wall Street Crisis, Financial Crisis, Banking Crisis, Credit Crisis, etc..

And it was NOT President Bush (43) that demanded that Loans (Mortgages) be made to those that had no viable means to repay the Loans (Mortgages).

But you don't know do you Houston!, so you don't know how to fix the problem; well, evidently based on previous actions President Obama does not know either.

American Taliban = DEMONCRAPTIC Party. The same Demoncraptic Party that opposed the 13th Amendment to the US Constitution as accurately portrayed in the 2012 movie Lincoln.

The same Demoncraptic Party that demands the killing of anyone that disagrees with them:

Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior during President Obama Campaign Rally, "President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of b!tches out and give America back to an America where we belong."

If this sounds like the Chancellor Hitler's Brown Shirts or Mussolini's Blackshirts, it is, as that is what the current US Labor Unions were modelled after.

DingleB - So we live in a dictatorship now?

Gee only figured that out now? I kept warning all of you before about:

President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural US Laws). Expanded Presidential Powers. US Military Use of Deadly Force Against US Citizens. Preemptive Detentions of US Citizens. Monitoring and Censorship of All US Communications. Without Warrant Mandatory Cooperation of US Communications Providers. US Military Tribunals renamed by the Obama Administration as US Military Commissions (Legal Defense no access to "classified" witnesses nor "classified" evidence used by Prosecution). (No) Support to Terrorist Organizations (No Legal Representation as "Expert Advise" per 2010 US Supreme Court Ruling, currently being fought by ACLU). Inclusion of the previously defeated as Unconstitutional US Senate S.1959 and US House of Representatives H.R.1955 aka the George Orwell 1984 Thought Crimes Laws, in that the written or witnessed verbal thought is the Felony Crime, not the Act, example: the definition from S.1959 and H.R.1955, "Anyone stating a radical change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist".

During a staged news media event, January 22, 2009 President Obama signs into US Laws his Patriot Acts, 04:38 minutes of 11:55 minutes:

Naomi Wolf: 'Obama can lock any US citizen up without trial'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSeD19m3UE&feature=fvst

President Obama's NDAA, US Military Indefinite Detentions of US Citizens:

Obama Signs NDAA, ACLU Disgusted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeuE16LLDY

Feds' electronic snooping of Americans up sharply, says ACLU

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/feds-electronic-snooping-americans-sharply-says-aclu-6170914

President Obama to circumvent US Congress,"The Will of the People", keep clicking "Next", see anything Unconstitutional, TOUGH that is what you Voted you wanted:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions

Where have you been, DingleB, this sh!t (Obama Dictatorship) has been going on since before Candidate Obama became President; as the same tactics as Candidate Hitler for the Office of Chancellor of Germany.

To all of you Anti Gun Nuts that never Served in the US Military (pull out your gun (penis) so that I can chop it off, no gun for you):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U

In 2006 the total national debt was going up up up. It peaked in 2008 and has been going down ever since. The total national debt is now about where it was in 2006. America is getting our house in order again and Obama was right to complain about what you republicons were doing to our country.

Remember, cheney is the one who said deficits don't matter.

U.S. Downgrade Seen as Upgrade as U.S. Debt Dissolved - Bloomberg

Ah I see Feisty ignored my question about education level.

I'm not sure where you got the impression that I answer to you..?

Sadly, you couldn't be more mistaken! ;o)

Go find someone elses ankle to hump, you're dismissed little troll!

TROLLOLOLOL - Like i said - Still don't wanna answer the question? -

As for humping your leg... I would't even consider it. I believe beastiality has been illegal for quite some time.

Wow Miklkit....Did Fiesty give you that info? Heres a National Debt chart. It has gone up 32% since 2008.

National Debt by Year Since 1929 Compared to GDP and Major Events

End of Fiscal Year
Debt (in billions)
GDP (in billions)
Debt/GDP Ratio
Event

2012
$16,066
$15,776
102%

2011
$14,790
$15,163
102%
Obama Stimulus Act (ARRA) spent $120 billion.

2010
$13,562
$14,736
92%
ARRA budgeted $400 billion.

2009
$11,910
$13,952
85%
Economy contracted 8.9% in Q4 '08, 6.7% in Q1 '09. ARRA spent $241.9 billion. War on Terror cost $79 billion. Fed funds rate lowered to 0%.

2008
$10,025
$14,395
70%
Economy contracted 3.7% in Q3 '08, 1.8% in Q1 '08. War on Terror cost $197.6 billion, Bank Bailout Bill cost $350 billion.

2007
$9,008
$14,126
64%
War on Terror cost $173.6 billion.

2006
$8,507
$13,433
63%
Katrina clean-up was $24.7 billion, swine flu added $6 billion, War on Terror cost $120.4 billion.

2005
$7,933
$12,729
62%
War on Terror cost $107.6 billion.

2004
$7,379
$11,936
62%
War on Terror was $94 billion.

2003
$6,783
$11,255
60%
Unemployment still at 6%. War on Terror cost $53 billion.

2002
$6,228
$10,702
58%
War on Terror added $33.8 billion.

2001
$5,807
$10,305
56%
2001 recession and 9/11 Attack

2000
$5,674
$10,018
57%

1999
$5,656
$9,405
60%

1998
$5,526
$8,847
62%

1997
$5,413
$8,410
66%

American Taliban = GOP/TeaParty. - Tin Foil Hat wearer above.......... Go to the bathroom open the medicine cabinet and take out those big yellow pills the doctor gave you, turn off Fux NOOSE and get into a quiet room...... Now dont you feel better

Like I stated before YOUR FURTHER DUMBING DOWN OF AMERICA, American Taliban = DEMONCRAPTIC Party.

Typical Demoncraptic Party Name Calling; instead of doing your own Research to get Educated.

instead of doing your own Research to get Educated.

Is that what you call an education? What would be educational about it is handing it out to any High School Junior debate classroom and ask them to identify the top 10 glaring holes in the claims you make.

American Taliban - the only person who seems to be racist is you .... as you are the only person who has commented about race multiple times in this thread.

@Backhouse, why do you blame, blame, blame Republicans for everything.

Because most of our current fiscal and economic problems were directly or indirectly caused by Republicans.

They did not want Obamacare, yet, somehow, it is law.

They didn't want healthcare reform, period. Unless by reforming healthcare you mean privatizing Medicare and block granting Medicaid. Obamacare is simply an old conservative plan footed by the Heritage Foundation in the 90s and adopted by numerous Republicans, including Newt Gingrich in 2010 and Mitt Romney (your boy). He just dressed it up in liberal clothes (increased Medicaid coverage, taxes on the rich, subsidies for healthcare, etc), but he took away its single liberal (well, technically centrist; liberals want full single-payer) limb: the public option, just so he could get a few conservatives into the fold. Apparently compromise counts for nothing with Republicans...

So much for Republicans being able to stop Obama at all stops. And as for the so called jobs bill, Obama had the votes. It did not pass. Why blame the Republicans when if the Democrats actually liked the bill and voted for it, it would have passed.

Republicans control the filibuster; ergo they are able to handcuff the Senate by demanding a supermajority for key legislation (or most legislation, actually) and then voting in lockstep against the bill while the Democrats muster up as many votes as possible and still come short. The Jobs Bill did have the votes to pass-if it wasn't filibustered. Democrats could have mustered about 53 votes to pass the bill, but the GOP filibustered it and they fell way short because every Republican and a couple Blue Dog Democrat senators voted against it. So don't give me that Orwellian bull@!$%# that Republicans couldn't block Obama because that has been EXACTLY what they have been doing for the past 2 years and that is EXACTLY why we have gridlock in Congress.

And maybe if Obama had spent more time on the economy and Obamacare, then maybe we would be further along.

The Jobs Bill WAS for the economy you idiot!!!! The Jobs Bill would have created millions of jobs but your fascist boys in the Senate voted against it!!!! The stimulus package that Republicans like you love to criticize WAS FOR the economy; even John McCain's economic analysts said it worked to save the economy. But every time Obama tries to help the economy via spending (which works better than tax cuts) and tax breaks the GOP sabotages him to deny him a political victory.

“This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.”~Plato

If a Tyrant can remove the Second Amendment by Decree why not any and all of the rest of our Right? Always remember it is Obama who has taken Unilateral Action against the Constitution of the United States without the approval of Congress or the majority vote of the people as required by the Constitution!

Today is the most shameful day of the Republic since FDR interned the Japanese Americans and just as Unconstitutional!

At least FDR had a WAR as an excuse....Obama just makes Excuses! Demand President Obama's Impeachment for violating his Oath of Office to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and to protect OUR Bill of Rights!

To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them. – George Mason

@American Taliban, you must have ignored the crosses of the Democratic Party. You all invented it after all. And why did you allow Senator Byrd of West Virginia, an ex klansman to remain in your party all those years until his demise a few years ago? Yet have the gall to post about crosses. Deflection, deflection, deflection.

Republicon promises made and kept.

1.With their pledge to their King Norquist not to raise taxes on the rich...They kept their promise. Obstructing and holding the nation hostage , causing poor credit rating for the nation. $$$$$$$$$

2. With the pledge they made the night President Obama took office 4 years ago, to vote and obstruct every bill to try and make Obama appear a bad president...they kept their promise, voting against and using record number of filibusters to prevent anything good for the nation, slowing recovery, voting against our vets and 911 responders, obstructing bringing jobs back toAmerica, obstructing and voting against disaster relief for our nation......etc etc

Yup....repubs pledged to make America more miserable...and they did their best, but President Obama succeded against all odds......