Biden: NRA meeting was 'productive'

Capping off a week of meetings with stakeholders in the debate over gun control, Vice President Joe Biden called a session with the National Rifle Association 'productive' despite the group's public complaints yesterday. 

"I thought we had a very straightforward, productive meeting," Biden said of yesterday's closed-door session with pro-gun groups.

The NRA charged in a statement yesterday that the Obama administration has "an agenda to attack the Second Amendment."

Vice President Joe Biden will present his task force's gun policy recommendations Thursday – among them, most likely, to reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.

But Biden said that the variety of gun owners' organizations that met at the White House yesterday did not all share the NRA's opinions on the causes of and potential solutions for mass gun violence. 

“There was actually a difference among them as well,” he said. “There was not a uniform view.”

Biden invoked a common metaphor about firearms to describe the challenges facing foes of gun violence. 

"We know there's no silver bullet" for stopping mass shootings, he said during a meeting with video game industry representatives.

Related: Assault weapons ban remains politically tricky for White House

The vice president has said he wants his task force to present recommendations to the president by next week. 

"I'm shooting for Tuesday," he said. "I hope we get it done by then." 

As Vice President Joe Biden prepares to present sweeping gun control proposals, residents of Newtown are speaking out. Meanwhile, investigators continue to examine what triggered Adam Lanza's rage. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports.

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Where are the CEO's of the gun manufacturers? Too cowardly to voice their opinions? The NRA is their spokesman. That right there shows you who the NRA is speaking for. They don't give a rat's ass about these gun nuts. All they care about is the sales of guns. More guns sold equals more money in their pockets. They want to sell as many guns possible at any cost possible ( including human lives ). It's sad that these gun nuts are so gullible and can't see the forest though the trees. But that is understandable because the forest they are looking through is so filled with bullets that prevents them from seeing the truth.

    Reply#79 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:06 PM EST

    They should not have to voice their opinion. Biden is clearly pushing an agenda rather than focusing on real solutions that may have a chance to make schools more secure.

      #79.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:25 PM EST

      Downs... They are SCARED. Because this will cut into their profits! Scared little boys. Look in a mirror to see an example!

        #79.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:31 PM EST

        What do you expect them to say?

        "This is a horrible crime, our thoughts and prayers go out to the families and communities involved. We will continue to strive to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people. We think that individuals should have the right to protect themselves from individuals who want to harm them. We will continue to support that right and offer assistance to save lives."

          #79.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:02 PM EST
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          Nothing's going to happen. Congress won't pass anything meaningful. If anything, they'll pass some toothless gesture that the NRA can subsequently point to as either (1) an existing law that needs to be better enforced, or (2) evidence that gun control doesn't work. Meanwhile, they've won by diverting talk towards things like video games and movies, their ranks have swollen, and people have run out and armed themselves to an even greater extent.

            Reply#80 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:11 PM EST

            the right wing nut jobs don't even know what the word rape means.............how in the hell can they even think they know what the 2nd amendment means?

              Reply#81 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:12 PM EST

              Right wing nut job

              Left wing no nut no job

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              #81.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:16 PM EST

              roc.......

              just keep hiding behind your metal penis. is it rusty?

                #81.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:29 PM EST

                Roc's wife bit off his real one, so a rusty metal one is all he's got!

                  #81.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:32 PM EST

                  And here are the two posters with penis fetishes.

                    #81.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:52 PM EST
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                    Another waste of good taxpayer time when they could be talking to Republicans about getting the budget figured out , dealing with pressing issues like sandy Hook and New York disasters , more money for local cities and towns to help the local Police budgets to go after scumbags like these killers and murderers . Just waste time on trying to figure out how to skirt the 2nd amendment and to use executive orders !!!

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                    Reply#82 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:16 PM EST

                    The Senate is on break. No, I'm not kidding. Rand Paul was in Israel earlier this week saying he was going to slash their US aid.

                      #82.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:33 PM EST
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                      I have asked this before and never received an answer. I would like for someone from the anti-gun crowd to cite for me empirical studies that show how gun-bans deter violent crime. Wiki and agenda oriented .org references do not count. Get some real evidence that you can back up with examples. Do the kind of research a social scientist would do. Find something you could use in a research paper. Back your opinion up with facts.

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                      Reply#83 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:22 PM EST

                      dow.......

                      like i said yesterday.......learn how to read and someone might be able to answer your question.

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                      #83.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:30 PM EST

                      Depraw- Bring me some facts and I may have a small amount of respect for you. If you want to make a case fro any type of gun ban than back it up like you would in a college level paper.

                      Show that you can offer me an intelligent debate.

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                      #83.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:58 PM EST
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                      It is hard to believe that the two people elected to the highest office in the land cannot formulate an argument for gun control better than using that worn out, utterly ridiculous, "if it saves just one life..." mantra of moronic gun control fanatics.

                      Worse than coming off as idiots and insulting the intelligence of anyone who has a rational thought running thought their heads these days, Biden and Obama are willing to literally kill THOUSANDS of law abiding, responsible citizens who use guns EVERY YEAR to justifiably defend themselves in lethal encounters.

                      Biden and Obama will KILL THOUSANDS to SAVE ONE. Who voted for these morons?

                      Oh yeah, the same people, from the same cities, who suffer from the highest violent crime and murder rates, thanks to having the strictest gun control in the country, voted for Obama.

                      Wake up all you gun haters and realize that when you enact gun control, you simply shift the balance of power on the street to the criminals, who will always have guns. You cannot hire enough police to protect you when criminals know the law abiding are unarmed. Just ask citizens of Chicago who suffered through 513 murders in 2012. By comparison 136 soldiers were killed in Afghanistan in 2012. So with all the strict gun control in Chicago, the Chicago Police and Mayor Rahm Emanuel allowed nearly FOUR TIMES MORE Americans to be murdered than soldiers killed in a war zone!

                      So violent crime and murder rates have dropped 50% and nobody is taking credit for that... Well I will tell you WHY there has been a 50% reduction in violent crime and murder in the US since 1992.

                      Only one thing has changed from 1992 to present that would have a direct impact on violent crime and murder rates and that change is the dramatic increase in Shall Issue Concealed Carry Permits!

                      Florida started it off in 1987 and immediately saw that the issuance of Concealed Carry Permits actually reduced violent crime and murder rates. Other states followed with more and more states adopting Shall Issue Concealed Carry for its responsible, law abiding citizens.

                      And thus began a trend of nearly all states adopting Shall Issue Concealed Carry for its citizens, (with the notable exceptions of those states like Illinois, New York, Washington DC and a few others) that brings us today to a 50% drop in violent crime and murder rates, making the United States 3 times safer than Gun Free, Not So Great Britain... ALL WHILE MILLIONS MORE GUNS have been manufactured and distributed into the hands of US citizens each year!

                      Our violent crime rate would be EVEN SMALLER if we did not suffer from the lunatics in office who enact strict gun control in our big cities, causing murder rates to exceed bona fide war zones!

                      Step 2: It is time to contact the White House and our Congressional Representatives EVERY DAY, DAY IN AND DAY OUT until this gun control nonsense DIES. It will die, if we do our part.

                      There is only one thing these politicians care about more than anything else... being re-elected. Make sure they understand that if they allow ANY new gun control to pass, you will devote time and money to see them replaced in their next election cycle.

                      Remind them of the losses the Democrats sustained in 2010 and what happened after the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 when gun owners sought revenge at the voting booth resulting in the Republicans taking the House of Representatives from the Democrats in the 1994 Congressional Elections. It WILL happen again if politicians don't heed our warning make the same mistake again.

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                      Reply#84 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:23 PM EST

                      fred....

                      i think most Americans have grown up....................now it's your turn.

                        #84.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:35 PM EST

                        Wait for the report, Gumby. Probably on Tuesday. In the mean time, work on your GED study guide!

                          #84.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:35 PM EST

                          dep and herron- You do nothing but insult others and refuse to enter into intelligent debate. You have not grown up. If I had to bet the farm I would bet you two are no more than fourteen years old.

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                          #84.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:50 PM EST
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                          VP Biden's critics love to laugh at him. He is the guy who negotiated the retreat from the fiscal cliff. If there is ever to be any kind of sensible, meaningful, and effective gun control legislation in this country; Mr. Biden is the guy. Personally, I would have walked into a room with NRA representatives and punched them out.

                          My solution is not to ban or limit anything.Buy and own any firearm you want. But, if that gun is used in a crime you are responsible.I don't care if it was lost, stolen, traded in for a puppy, or whatever. if that gun is ever used in a crime, you are accountable. Might mean losing your home if you are sued. Might mean going to jail. Might mean bankruptcy. Want to own a "tool" whose only reason for existence is to kill something? Fine, knock yourself out. But you are responsible for what happens because of it regardless of who pulls the trigger. Your 7 year old kid gets his hands on it and shoots his little sister. You are going to jail.

                            Reply#85 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:24 PM EST

                            That's already the law if you are negligent - you can be jailed and sued in civil court. What's the issue? to apply punishment where there is no negligence is not only immoral but illegal.

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                            #85.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:29 PM EST

                            flori......

                            then why does the NRA oppose a universal gun register?

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                            #85.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:33 PM EST

                            depraw. The NRA wants a register for people's private medical info, but not for metal penises....

                              #85.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:36 PM EST

                              Back at your penis fetish

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                              #85.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:53 PM EST
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                              The Solution.

                              1. End gun free zones

                              2. Get kids off dangerous psych drugs.

                              3. Fix mental health system.

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                              Reply#86 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:30 PM EST

                              Libs........I think he means that law abiding people should be able to carry a gun anywhere they want in order to protect themselves and others. I don't think it is coincidence that nearly all mass murders happen in gun free zones and the only movie theater showing Batman in Aurora with a post "no gun" policy was where Holmes went to.

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                              #86.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:12 PM EST
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                              Human rights are granted by governments; they just exist. Governments can either allow their free exercise or as in most nations up until the US, suppress them. That's what made the US so great, until people like Herron want to throw it all away. You should actually educate yourself on something other than 'Das Kapital'

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                              Reply#88 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:39 PM EST

                              should be "Human rights are NOT granted by governments .."

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                              #88.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:43 PM EST

                              flori...........

                              did you go to school?...any schooling?........and if you did please tell me where.........i definitely don't want my grand kids to attend there. they are in kindergarten now but they seem much, much, much, much smarter than you.

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                              #88.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:44 PM EST

                              You're rambling again granpa -go have your Depends checked ..

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                              #88.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:48 PM EST

                              flori..

                              so the answer is no. thank you.

                                #88.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:50 PM EST
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                                FlowerDahhhh. Again, tell that to the people in China or North Korea....

                                Thump your little bible a few more times and it will come to you!

                                  Reply#89 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:47 PM EST

                                  You seriously think the people of China have no inherent rights? really? are you really so uneducated that you can't grasp the concept of universal rights?

                                    #89.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:51 PM EST

                                    FloridDahh. You are stupid about SO MANY thing! Go to China, live there, and tell us about your human rights!

                                      #89.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:56 PM EST
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                                      A majority of Americans want assault weapons, semi automatics and large mags outlawed. A large percentage of Americans will support a superpac thats sole purpose is to defeat Politicians that dont agree to outlaw these weapons and accessories. We already have gun nuts out there threatening to start killing people who dont agree with them. Enough is enough.

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                                      Reply#90 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:47 PM EST

                                      So lib columnist Donald Paul calling for gun-owners to be shot is OK? Joking about murdering peoples children with being shot is your idea of civilized behavior? You people should be locked up.

                                        #90.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:54 PM EST

                                        FlorDAHH. The guy was way off base, and should pay for his stupidity. Now find something REAL to say

                                          #90.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:58 PM EST

                                          Fla....Put up the link for this Donald Paul. I saw the video of the gun nut saying he was going to start killing people. Kentucky took away his carry permit for a concealed weapon.

                                          In the mean time. A majority of Americans want assault weapons, semi automatics and large mags outlawed.

                                            #90.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:14 PM EST

                                            Floridaguy: what 'guy-2789881' wrote, above, is correct. Most Americans are demanding action be taken, because after the slaughter of little children in their own classrooms, inaction is no longer an option.

                                            To persistently cite a fellow in Iowa who most of us never heard of proves you have no counterpoint whatsoever, so give it a rest please.

                                              #90.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:29 PM EST

                                              ww.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/02/liberal-ex-columnist-death-threats-published-in-des-moines-register/

                                              Do you think this nut in Tennessee is sort of famous person? Did you know who he was? of course not, but Herron tries to paint all with one brush - whats good for the goose...

                                              A majority also oppose homosexual marriage - are you with them also?

                                                #90.5 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:03 PM EST
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                                                a good sign that you might have a SEVERE mental disorder is thinking that you might want or need an AR-15

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                                                Reply#91 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:49 PM EST

                                                Or a penis fetish like you and herron.

                                                  #91.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:01 PM EST
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                                                  85% of all children killed by guns in the whole world are killed right here in the United Guns of America. we can be so proud.

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                                                  Reply#92 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:54 PM EST

                                                  You know the difference between liberal statistics and fairy tales? fairy tales start with "Once upon a time..."

                                                    #92.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:56 PM EST

                                                    sorry that you can't face the facts. it does hurt.

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                                                    #92.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:57 PM EST

                                                    Dahh... You REALLY hate FACT that PROVE YOU WRONG!!

                                                    That is a sign of being immature!

                                                      #92.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:59 PM EST

                                                      According to the CDC a swimming pool is more likely to kill a child under 12 than a gun in the home.

                                                        #92.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:17 PM EST
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                                                        there are over 30,000 deaths in this country that are firearm related.

                                                          Reply#93 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:55 PM EST

                                                          and most are either suicides or gang related in 'gun-free' Democratically controlled cities.

                                                            #93.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:57 PM EST

                                                            wow......you can read. but most happen where guns are allowed. Guns are allowed in Arizona and they are 9th in violent crimes. just one example.

                                                              #93.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:00 PM EST

                                                              Dang Fla. Face it, you are way up the creek without a paddle tonight! You HATE FACTS!

                                                                #93.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:00 PM EST

                                                                Gun related deaths have been decreasing every year despite increasing gun ownership.

                                                                  #93.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:20 PM EST
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                                                                  Biblethumper Dahhhhhhh

                                                                  "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's"

                                                                  Jesus said himself that church and state should be SEPERATE! I love telling bible thumpers about their big book of fairy tales!

                                                                    Reply#94 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:55 PM EST

                                                                    Maybe, but at least he could spell ...

                                                                      #94.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:58 PM EST

                                                                      So can I. You're not worth the extra effort, you sad little clown!

                                                                        #94.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:01 PM EST

                                                                        Yeah, and I can swim the English Channel, but i just don't want to right now... (you pompous baboon - with apologies to baboons everywhere)

                                                                          #94.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:09 PM EST
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                                                                          if we can have "GUN APPRECIATION DAY"....then we should have "DRUNK DRIVING APPRECIATION DAY"

                                                                            Reply#95 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:56 PM EST

                                                                            I thought Gun Appreciation Day was July 4th...

                                                                              #95.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:00 PM EST

                                                                              Maybe serial shooters can also do a number at the Oscars! The Gun Nuts would clap so hard, they might break a trigger finger! (and then go off to Chick-fil-A)

                                                                                #95.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:03 PM EST

                                                                                flori......

                                                                                running a background check...........will be in touch with you within 48 hours.

                                                                                p.s. and yes we do work Sundays.

                                                                                  #95.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:06 PM EST

                                                                                  If you work for the government, you don't work at all

                                                                                    #95.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:10 PM EST

                                                                                    Florida......That is an absurd statement. Most people that work for the government work very hard.

                                                                                      #95.5 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:16 PM EST
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                                                                                      better yet.........." METAL PENIS APPRECIATION DAY"

                                                                                        Reply#96 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:59 PM EST

                                                                                        Careful granpa, they'll take you back to the sex offender jail ...

                                                                                          #96.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:01 PM EST

                                                                                          There is your penis fetish again

                                                                                            #96.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:03 PM EST

                                                                                            You mean like the sex offender on Sheriff Joe Arpaio's posse that he "assigned" to guard schools?

                                                                                              #96.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:04 PM EST
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                                                                                              I wonder do these People like Alex Jones YELLING AT Piers Morgan, and some other guy who looks like A Skinhead ON You Tube and other CRAZY WEB SITES , with their RANTING against their own Government SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED when the FBI Shows up at theirdoors while they are advocating for the
                                                                                              overthrow of the Government and a DISGUISED threat against the President.

                                                                                              If is highly OFFENSIVE when they try to use Civil Rights and M L King, Hitler/Nazi References to make
                                                                                              their point.

                                                                                              NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT TAKING GUNS. Will the SANE Gun Owners SHAME these people
                                                                                              and boycott them?

                                                                                              Yet you have these people ADVOCATING the overthrow of the Government if SENSIBLE GUN LAWS ARE PASSED.

                                                                                              I think they need to move to those Countries, that really
                                                                                              don't give a DAMN about your Rights and THREATEN THE GOVERNMENT.

                                                                                              They have overstayed their time in the U.S.A.

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                                                                                              #97 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:59 PM EST

                                                                                              I'm offended by your stupid antics and lies, you bring discredit to your country and your species. No-one is advocating the overthrow of the government but the Democrats who say they must destro the Constitution to protect us from evil assault rifles which killed almost 325 people last year, 65% less than claw hammers!

                                                                                                #97.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:03 PM EST

                                                                                                they wouldn't move to those countries.....somebody would shoot at them.

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                                                                                                #97.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:03 PM EST

                                                                                                The gun laws that Hitler were passed were "sensible" as well. Things like that don't happen all at once. It happens incrementally. I say that we already have sensible gun laws and the ones that you want to pass are unnecessary and will not help to solve the problem. There is no sense for ranting and raving, but we do need to be aware of what has happened in history so that we can avoid the same fate.

                                                                                                  #97.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:06 PM EST

                                                                                                  If you thought Jones was nuts, check this out:

                                                                                                  "James Yeager, the Tennessee firearms instructor who made waves when he posted a video online threatening to "start killing people" if the White House issues an executive order on gun control, released a second video Thursday in which he refused to back down from most his statements."

                                                                                                  livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/yeager-releases-2nd-video-ive-assembled-army

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                                                                                                  #97.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:08 PM EST

                                                                                                  put.....

                                                                                                  go back to history class.(and not at NRA University) obviously you didn't pay attention the first time. and remember....3 flunks and your out.

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                                                                                                  #97.5 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:10 PM EST

                                                                                                  Duhhhh. Wow, you are turing into a whining little child tonight! I mean more than usual!

                                                                                                  Actually Putty, the NRA is closer to Hitler than the feds are. Both fear mongers, deceptive, and liars!

                                                                                                    #97.6 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:10 PM EST

                                                                                                    Deprave -Didnt they teach History in GED class?

                                                                                                      #97.7 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:12 PM EST

                                                                                                      FDR said.........you have nothing to fear but fear itself. the NRA is proving that statement. i've never seen so many puppets on a string.

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                                                                                                      #97.8 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:13 PM EST

                                                                                                      Why, did you watch Bidens Boys dancing?

                                                                                                        #97.9 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:14 PM EST

                                                                                                        Depraw....not too bright are you? You should study a little bit more and actually think before you spout off about something that you know little about.

                                                                                                        Herron.....Just how is the NRA closer to Hitler? Personally I don't see either one being close to Hitler, but to make a claim that a special interest group is close to Hitler seems pretty absurd. Why not say that Green Peace is close to Hitler.

                                                                                                          #97.10 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:15 PM EST

                                                                                                          flori..........

                                                                                                          i am surprised that you could spell GED. very good.

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                                                                                                          #97.11 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:15 PM EST

                                                                                                          put..........

                                                                                                          just keep flaunting your ignorance. it is going to save me a lot of typing. thank you so very much.

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                                                                                                          #97.12 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:17 PM EST

                                                                                                          I notice you still didn't answer - remember, there is no shame in stupidity, you can't help it.

                                                                                                            #97.13 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:18 PM EST

                                                                                                            I noticed you responded with insults instead of facts. Is that because the facts don't support you. Are you actually trying to make the ludicrous claim that the policies of the NAZI's that led to millions of people being executed happened all at once without the agreement of the people? Go look at history and don't be so blind.

                                                                                                              #97.14 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:26 PM EST

                                                                                                              Thank you Herron. The Skinhead Guy I was referring to was A Mr. Yeager, who is a Business Owner, who says he will start shooting people if any Gun Legislation is passed.

                                                                                                              Now for the people who commented to me on being Extreme, what do they think of this Guy? Yet the same people cannot see anything concerning Sensible Gun Laws.

                                                                                                              I would ask who are the terrorist and what would you call this Guy threatening to Kill People if any kind of Gun Legislation is PASSED, and Still NO ONE IS ASKING OR TALKING ABOUT TAKING HIS GUNS. Maybe he needs a visit by Homeland Security.

                                                                                                              I would say he needs to move to either Africa or one of those Countries where people just stand out in the Streets or Drive around FIRING OFF GUNS!

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                                                                                                              #97.15 - Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:19 PM EST
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                                                                                                              Guns don't kill people, violent video games kill people.

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                                                                                                              Reply#98 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:07 PM EST

                                                                                                              I thought it was "hammers kill people". That's what the uneducated gun nuts have been saying for 3 days now!

                                                                                                                #98.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:12 PM EST

                                                                                                                only more than assault rifles, but the facts dont matter to you commies do they?

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                                                                                                                #98.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:14 PM EST

                                                                                                                a good sign that one might have a SEVERE mental disorder is thinking that they might want or need an AR-15.

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                                                                                                                #98.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:19 PM EST

                                                                                                                Well I guess we should recognize that Deprave is THE expert on severe mental disorders (especially if they contain the word 'P*nis)

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                                                                                                                #98.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:22 PM EST

                                                                                                                Actually, I think that hammers might actually kill more people annually than AR-15's.

                                                                                                                Depraw........The same could be said about people that want a Porsche as well. No one should want or need one. They are so impractical.

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                                                                                                                #98.5 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:23 PM EST

                                                                                                                Herron: you can always tell when the right wing noise machine is ramping up. Its devotees spout the same nonsense over and over. This thing about "hammers" is just the latest buzzword, and they just eat it up, I tell ya...

                                                                                                                  #98.6 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:34 PM EST

                                                                                                                  You can tell liberals are losing an argument when they start calling the truth nonsense and talking points. The next thing they will do is play the race cards and then say that we want to kill grandma or starve children.

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                                                                                                                  #98.7 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:44 PM EST
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                                                                                                                  Nationally it takes on average 8 to 10 minutes for cops to arrive. Until that happens you are defenseless and thats if the cops decide to do anything except sit outside like they did in this case. People were defenseless and the cops did nothing to rescue them meanwhile a woman was raped. If you don't want to be the next crime statistic then you have to have someway to defend yourself until the cops arrive and thats if you get a chance to call them and if they decide to do anything. If one of the 14 had a CWP this could have been an entirely different story. If one of the teachers in connecticut had a CWP those kids might be alive. This is part of the cold hard facts and the libs have no answer for except maybe invite them to have some smores and sing kumbayah.

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                                                                                                                  Reply#99 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:18 PM EST

                                                                                                                  go live in Syria.......they are always looking for people like you.

                                                                                                                    #99.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:20 PM EST

                                                                                                                    Syria is a place for Libs just like you. You like an all powerful central government that dictates all aspects of your life and makes it illegal for citizens to own guns. A Lib paradise.

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                                                                                                                    #99.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:23 PM EST

                                                                                                                    Boel (how is that pronounced?)... TWO armed guards at Columbine, a campus police force at VA Tech, Fort Hood is a MILITARY BASE, and two carrying concealed where Giffords was shot in Tuscon (as it was AZ, I expected 20)

                                                                                                                    You lose...

                                                                                                                      #99.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:24 PM EST

                                                                                                                      By that reasoning, we shouldn't have flu vaccinations because they don't always work. you are an idiot repeating the same lies over and over . I was going to call you a pompous baboon again but I got an email from the baboons threatening to due for defamation of character ..

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                                                                                                                      #99.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:28 PM EST

                                                                                                                      Herron....And the armed guards at Columbine had a chance to stop them early on, but chose not to. They had the potential to stop that one. Campus security guards? Really? That is like saying that there were police at Sandy Hill. And neither one of those were with AR-15's or high capacity magazines. Ft. Hood was, but are you suggesting that we take away guns from the military? I doubt it.

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                                                                                                                      #99.5 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:30 PM EST

                                                                                                                      And soldiers do not carry weapons around with them while on base. They are stored away and secured. The fort hood shooter was finally stopped by an armed civilan guard. If the soldiers had arms with them the story would have been different. What a duma$$ Herron.

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                                                                                                                      #99.6 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:38 PM EST
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                                                                                                                      Interesting remember when the patriot act was passed to try and make it harder for terrorists to attack us and all the Libs were up in arms about us giving up our rights and for just a little more security. 3,000 people died and they didn't feel the patriot act was nescessary.

                                                                                                                      Now they are willing to tear up the Constitution and rescind the 2nd amendment all for some dubious prospects of increased security. This will do nothing to prevent any kind of crime or violencde. What about rights Libs not important now?

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                                                                                                                      Reply#100 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:18 PM EST

                                                                                                                      As long as they get a free cell phone and free beer they don't care about anything else.

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                                                                                                                      #100.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 PM EST

                                                                                                                      and the lies of the bush administration killed twice as many Americans than did the 911 terrorists.

                                                                                                                      and learn how to read..............nobody wants to take your guns. quit listening to the NRA bullsh!t. be a man and think for yourself. grow a brain and then you might be able to grow some balls and think without the NRA pulling your strings.

                                                                                                                        #100.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:22 PM EST

                                                                                                                        You hate the rights of US citizens if you support the "patriot" ACT!

                                                                                                                          #100.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:25 PM EST

                                                                                                                          You're a liar; quit being a bootlicker trying to curry the favor of your masters. You would be the in second group to go to the ovens, Quisling

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                                                                                                                          #100.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:25 PM EST

                                                                                                                          flori.

                                                                                                                          so you are the NRA's quisling?

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                                                                                                                          #100.5 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:29 PM EST

                                                                                                                          By asking that question it is apparent you don't even know who Quisling was. Use the internet for something other than your usual child porn

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                                                                                                                          #100.6 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:32 PM EST

                                                                                                                          i know exactly what quisling means...obviously you don't

                                                                                                                          you are the puppet of the NRA who is trying to occupy our country.

                                                                                                                            #100.7 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:33 PM EST

                                                                                                                            Its a 'who' dumb-*ss,

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                                                                                                                            #100.8 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:37 PM EST

                                                                                                                            De. I think the FlowerDahh just loves ANYTHING with "patriot" on it, including the STD he got from a stripper named Patriot!

                                                                                                                              #100.9 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:40 PM EST
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                                                                                                                              "A free people ought to be armed."
                                                                                                                              - George Washington

                                                                                                                              "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
                                                                                                                              - George Washington

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                                                                                                                              Reply#101 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:20 PM EST

                                                                                                                              This was when THERE WAS NO MILITARY, Gumby. It was so the US could DEFEND ITSELF! Washington was talking about citizens ASSISTING THE FEDS!

                                                                                                                              Dang, did you finish 8th grade????

                                                                                                                                #101.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:27 PM EST

                                                                                                                                Of course there was a military - if you had gone on to 9th grade you would have learned that - remember there's no shame in being stupid, you cant help it (apparently)

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                                                                                                                                #101.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:30 PM EST

                                                                                                                                Herron what you think Washington was saying "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government". Herron was a duma$$.

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                                                                                                                                #101.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:31 PM EST

                                                                                                                                herron....

                                                                                                                                when their minds are being controlled by a subversive group such as the NRA they will listen to nobody. that's why they never learn.

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                                                                                                                                #101.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:32 PM EST

                                                                                                                                Flori.. When was the US Military formed? Come on! Fill us in oh wise bunny!

                                                                                                                                  #101.5 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:41 PM EST

                                                                                                                                  Did you finish 8th grade Herron? The United States had both and army and a navy before the American Revolution. The Army and Navy were maintained after the War and added to the Navy was the Marine Corps.

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                                                                                                                                  #101.6 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:58 PM EST

                                                                                                                                  @This was when THERE WAS NO MILITARY, Gumby. It was so the US could DEFEND ITSELF! Washington was talking about citizens ASSISTING THE FEDS!

                                                                                                                                  Dang, did you finish 8th grade????

                                                                                                                                  In its very first session, the United States Congress had a lot of decisions to make. One important topic the first representatives and senators needed to address was establishing the U.S. military. There already was a colonial army--the Continental Army--that had fought the British in the American Revolution and won under General George Washington. But this army was not the official army of the United States.

                                                                                                                                  Finally, on September 29, 1789, the last day of its first session, the U.S. Congress passed an act to establish the United States military.

                                                                                                                                  The Second Amendment was ratified in 1791 three years after the establishment of the military.

                                                                                                                                  Dang Herron seams that you are the one who needs some education.

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                                                                                                                                  #101.7 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:05 PM EST
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                                                                                                                                  "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
                                                                                                                                  - Thomas Jefferson

                                                                                                                                  "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
                                                                                                                                  - Thomas Jefferson

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                                                                                                                                  Reply#102 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 PM EST

                                                                                                                                  And that is WHY the founding fathers talked about a "well regulated militia" in the 2nd. So Citizens could help defend the US. There was no standing army in the US.

                                                                                                                                  Are you cut and pasting bits from a wingnut blog without understanding it? That seems to be the case!

                                                                                                                                    #102.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:29 PM EST

                                                                                                                                    And the duma$$ comments again. The supreme court has upheld the right of citizens to be armed. The founding fathers intended citizens to be able to oppose a totalitarian state (which libs like you and Obama want);.

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                                                                                                                                    #102.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:33 PM EST

                                                                                                                                    Someone who hasn't even finished HS is lecturing on the Colonial history, will wonders never cease

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                                                                                                                                    #102.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:34 PM EST

                                                                                                                                    It wasn't just defending the US. It was also for defending against tyrants if someone took over the US. Go look at the history. The founding fathers intended the 2nd amendment to allow people to protect themselves from people that would try to take their rights away....including the government if necessary. Yes, the founding fathers never imagined the types of weapons we have today, but they also never imagined the internet, cell phones, and computers but they would still want the freedom of speech and the freedom of press to still apply.

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                                                                                                                                    #102.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:35 PM EST

                                                                                                                                    not only sounds like but they are right out of the NRA handbook of talking points. just like the NRA websites that say the U.S. had 464 violent crimes per 100,000 and the FBI had it at 2941 per 100,000

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                                                                                                                                    #102.5 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:39 PM EST

                                                                                                                                    put............

                                                                                                                                    and that is why our constitution is not set in stone..........it is meant to grow with us. it is meant to be amended when needed.

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                                                                                                                                    #102.6 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:41 PM EST

                                                                                                                                    Putty. Have you ever heard of Sedition? Well, here is the law:

                                                                                                                                    18 USC § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

                                                                                                                                    If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

                                                                                                                                      #102.7 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:43 PM EST

                                                                                                                                      boe.........

                                                                                                                                      but the Supreme Court also said the 2nd amendment DID NOT give us the right to bear assault weapons. i guess that part wasn't important or you wouldn't have left it out.

                                                                                                                                        #102.8 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:44 PM EST

                                                                                                                                        I didn't know the NRA had crime statistics since Im not a member, I don't really have anything to do with them..

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                                                                                                                                        #102.9 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:45 PM EST

                                                                                                                                        depraw.....That is true. But before we change the constitution, lets have some factual evidence and logic to show why we need to change it. It is a difficult process and shouldn't be done on an emotional whim.

                                                                                                                                        Yep....I also understand Sedition, but that doesn't mean that our founding fathers were wrong in fighting for our freedom, but they were committing sedition.

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                                                                                                                                        #102.10 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:47 PM EST

                                                                                                                                        put......

                                                                                                                                        i agree. but once again................nobody is asking you to give up your guns. but why is the NRA against a universal gun register? why is the NRA against mental health checks? (they lobbied the appropriations committee of congress to defund the agency responsible for performing these checks) why is the NRA against background checks at gun shows?

                                                                                                                                        the answer is quite obvious. if these controls were put into place fewer guns might be sold which is totally against what the gun manufacturers main objective is. sell as many guns as possible. Isn't it a little odd that non of the CEO's of these manufacturers has had the courage to comment on any of these possible controls? The NRA is their spokesman. The NRA is paid a lot of money by these manufacturers.

                                                                                                                                          #102.11 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:51 PM EST

                                                                                                                                          READ,

                                                                                                                                          District of Columbia v Heller

                                                                                                                                          Mcdonald v Chicago

                                                                                                                                          Silveria v Lockyer

                                                                                                                                          Parker v District of Columbia

                                                                                                                                          Nordyke v King

                                                                                                                                          Hodges v Obama

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                                                                                                                                          #102.12 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:02 PM EST

                                                                                                                                          The ACLU sued the government during Reagan administration forcing closure of mental institutions. It also put very tough restrictions on access to one mental health records, even government is denied and that is why unless it involves criminal activity mental health issue will not show on back ground checks. It also established that even in someone has mental health issues they cannot be forced treatment unless it is proved they cannot take care of daily needs or is a harm to themselves or others. Under that provision they can deny treatment at any time and walk away. Just because someone may be a risk does not constitute mandatory treatment. They may be put on a hold for evaluation but that is grounds few wish to tread for fear of lawsuit.

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                                                                                                                                          #102.13 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:14 PM EST

                                                                                                                                          gun registration is always the prelude to confiscation... always

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                                                                                                                                          #102.14 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:16 PM EST
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                                                                                                                                          A question to those who blast the NRA,

                                                                                                                                          Why is it the NRA is the ONLY CIVILIAN entity certified to teach and certify students in gun safety and proper handling. They are the ONLY CIVILIAN entity recognised by the government to do so. Why is that?

                                                                                                                                          And skip the penis fetish you two, keep it in your pants.

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                                                                                                                                          Reply#103 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:27 PM EST

                                                                                                                                          No Takers?

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                                                                                                                                          #103.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:41 PM EST

                                                                                                                                          Well, because it's a lie! Google this clown! (he has now lost his licence with TN, BTW...)

                                                                                                                                          livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/yeager-releases-2nd-video-ive-assembled-army

                                                                                                                                            #103.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:50 PM EST

                                                                                                                                            Which is better than the lefty columnist Donald Kaul, who wants to kill gunowners- Heron thinks he's a hero!

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                                                                                                                                            #103.3 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:52 PM EST

                                                                                                                                            Herron the only clown here is you with your penis fetish.

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                                                                                                                                            #103.4 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:53 PM EST

                                                                                                                                            What on earth do that have to do with anything herron? You completely ignored the question and called his accurate statement a lie and then posted some irrelevant link. You have to do better if you are going to play with the big boys.

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                                                                                                                                            #103.5 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:54 PM EST

                                                                                                                                            No, the NRA is still the one that does it all as far as gun safety is concerned.

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                                                                                                                                            #103.6 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:58 PM EST
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                                                                                                                                            herron and depraw- All you seam capable of doing is name calling and vitriol. You have done nothing to contribute to an intelligent debate. You act like a couple of young teenagers who haven't the intelligence nor inclination to listen to reason. Learn to debate like adults.

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                                                                                                                                            Reply#104 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:31 PM EST

                                                                                                                                            All they want to do is bring up their penis fetish.

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                                                                                                                                            #104.1 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:37 PM EST

                                                                                                                                            dow.....

                                                                                                                                            obviously you read only what you want to read.

                                                                                                                                              #104.2 - Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:59 PM EST
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