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Subscribe to RSSCapping off a week of meetings with stakeholders in the debate over gun control, Vice President Joe Biden called a session with the National Rifle Association 'productive' despite the group's public complaints yesterday.
"I thought we had a very straightforward, productive meeting," Biden said of yesterday's closed-door session with pro-gun groups.
The NRA charged in a statement yesterday that the Obama administration has "an agenda to attack the Second Amendment."
Vice President Joe Biden will present his task force's gun policy recommendations Thursday – among them, most likely, to reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
But Biden said that the variety of gun owners' organizations that met at the White House yesterday did not all share the NRA's opinions on the causes of and potential solutions for mass gun violence.
“There was actually a difference among them as well,” he said. “There was not a uniform view.”
Biden invoked a common metaphor about firearms to describe the challenges facing foes of gun violence.
"We know there's no silver bullet" for stopping mass shootings, he said during a meeting with video game industry representatives.
Related: Assault weapons ban remains politically tricky for White House
The vice president has said he wants his task force to present recommendations to the president by next week.
"I'm shooting for Tuesday," he said. "I hope we get it done by then."
As Vice President Joe Biden prepares to present sweeping gun control proposals, residents of Newtown are speaking out. Meanwhile, investigators continue to examine what triggered Adam Lanza's rage. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports.
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When Socialist Democrat's speak, you have to study the phrases to determine what they are implying. "No silver bullet" means that the socialist have for the first time the greatest opportunity to begin the implementation of the "new order" by attacking the 2nd amendment and start the process of disarming the population who have legal weapons and who would rise up against any government that has become the enemy of freedom. Obama wants to initiate the "final solution" inorder to establish his vision of the United States being a muslim Marxist Socialist State.
I assume you think the government has already become "the enemy of freedom," and are therefore calling for an insurrection against the government of the United States. That, I believe, is called sedition and is punishable by law.
Best take your meds, go back to bed and listen for the black helicopters approaching.
Limiting high capacity magazines and assault rifles is NOT "attacking the 2nd amendment".
The Supreme Court has already ruled that you can limit some types of weapons and ammunition.
What's an assault rifle?
They are using every means possible to distract the people from the real issues: Fast and Furious, Bengazi, the debt, the EPA being out of control, Obama's over use of power and the fact they want to control every thing you do. My fellow citizens is this the America generations before us fight for? I think NOT! If our Constitution is no good then how did we become as great as we are in a little over 200 years. The rest of the world has not found peace in thousands of years yet the U.S. is the whole world in one country and we live in peace. The Constitution rules!
Your perspective is skewed. Fast and Furious was just a projection from operation Wide Receiver started by Bush.
59 embassy officials died under Bush, just 1 under Obama. Whose doing a better job of seeing to security of embassy officials.
The debt got out of control by Republicans cutting taxes, going to war twice and chanting over and over that "deficits don't matter".
Our Constitution is good, too bad tea baggers don't know what's in it, although they profess they do.
And, the interpretation of the U.S. Constitution in conjunction with the constitutionality of statute law is the purview of the U.S. Supreme Court.
Eric, Fast and Furious belongs to Obama, Wide Receiver was cancelled by Bush long before O was elected. Bengazi should have never happened but it was election time and Obama's people just couldn't be bothered with it. The debt is all on Obama he refuses to stop the spending and he's the worst one. Why don't you do some research instead of listening to the liberal news. BTW, I am not a Republican or Democrat, I am first and foremost a U.S. citizen.
a) the debt is not ALL on Obama. Two-thirds of it was on the books before he arrived.
b) the debt is not on any President, since President's simply enforce the laws, which Congress passes. A President may propose additions or cuts in spending or taxation, but unless they have the votes in Congress to pass enabling legislation, the proposals generally have little practical meaning.
Ban assault weapons and high capacity mags.
stone6
Sen. & President Obama held President Bush to task for debt & ran on fiscal responsiblity. Why should President Obama be held to a standard different that his own?
MJ CT...
Perhaps because Bush never booked Iraq, Afghanistan, the Tax Cuts, or Medicare Part D? And Bush did lose his VETO stamp
Even YOU are smart enough to know that! (or at least should be)
"At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.[25] As of November, charges against one defendant had been dropped; five of them had pled guilty, and one had been sentenced to one year and one day in prison. Two of them remained fugitives.[33]"
@Shawn....I do research.....
Eric, The current DOJ and Obama are as guilty if not more so than the Bush administration. This country hasn't had a real government in a long time, the cover-ups and lies are getting worse. I'm tried of paying for shrimp on treadmills and robotic squirrels! My point of view of Washington: Washington is full of over educated intelligent people trying to run a country built on common sense and without common sense intelligence is a waste!
What's an assault rifle?
The gun issue will produce winners & losers, as is the case for all federal action.
The winners will be the gun industry, retailers, politicians. The losers will be law-abiding citizens and privacy.
MJ CT....
Cry us a river.....
Say What?
You told me that you were going to put me on ignore.
Does that make you a liar; or, did you evolve on your stance on ceasing pointless insults?
If privacy is your concern Dubya and the Patriot Act did more than 1,000 Obama's ever would.
WilliamOfRites
A little late to debate current events of the Bush administration.
When our government starts compiling more information on law-abiding citizens than the "bad guys", there should be some inquiry into the risk/benefit analysis of such sweeping reform.
MJ CT.....I needed a good laugh. Your posts always make me laugh....You are the Costello of Abbott and Costello....just not quite the brightest bulb in the package.
Say What?-809562
Thank you for yet another pointless insult.
@saywhat
You still mindlessly running down people? This is your third day of hatred on here, give it a rest.
How about some actual constructive comments instead of spewing?
Only the NRA could make Biden the most intelligent, rational person at a meeting.
I understand the emotional issues for more gun control. I just wish they would be focusing on the mental health issues and access to records while doing background checks. I'd also like to see some discussions on keeping children safe in schools. Those topics are almost non-existent.
That's because the anti-gun people and liberals don't want to address the real problems, but instead want to blame a scapegoat, knowing that it can't argue back to them.
It takes courage to address real problems, something liberals and the anti-gun lobby do not possess.
Biden... "The idiot that keeps Morons looking smart".
Winger....
Good that you use him as a frame of reference against yourself! LOL!
Biden goes around claiming he played varsity football in college when in fact he did not. So he is either lying or he is delusional. Is this really the guy we want suggesting new gun legislation?
Biden playing football in college....that is your MAJOR concern today?
Tomorrow, you can worry about the little yellow bus being on time to pick you up.
Say What....the Vice President being a LIAR is of major concern...although, you seem to be quite good at lying yourself!
Gun laws for the children? The US national guard killed more children in WACO then died at sandy hooke. If they really care about the children, the they will look at other issues as well. Issues like pedophile-rapist-murderers getting back out of jail. That should never happen, yet it does, and that's a danger to our children as well. We'll find out this week if they really care about the children or if they just want to exploit these tragedies to gain support for their pre-existing desire to ban guns.
There is no such thing as "Productive" when dealing with Republicans, the Tea Party or their Right Wing base (which the NRA belongs to thanks to Wayne LaPierre and David Keene). Put another way: To use the word "Productive" with the words "Republican", "Tea Party", "Right Wing" is a complete "Oxymoron" or a complete incompatibility...
Any time you survive a confrontation with a room full of psychopaths the meeting is productive.
Why is it the psychopaths and sociopaths have been running this country since January 20, 1969? And everything has been so frigged up since?
Of coarse they listened, with over a million active members and many millions of others that believe in the freedoms of the 2nd amendment even if the current administration doesn't like what they heard they must listen. and if not the executive branch the Congress will if they want to be there after the next election.
Divided we are slaves, but together we make a voting block equal to none.
The gun extremists pretend that any question about guns means there is going to be a door-to-door search and confiscation of their guns. Obama is not proposing that or anything like it (I own guns btw). My theory is this concerning many extreme gun owners: When the adventure isn't there - just imagine it! And that's what many do; they just imagine a situation where they are under attack and have to fight a guerrilla war in America - many dream of such things and wish it would really happen. Others are just plain paranoid. The majority of gun owners are law-abiding citizens. However, organizations like the National Rifle Association fuel membership and donations for right wing causes by creating paranoia with propaganda and outright lies and fraud. Wayne LaPierre, current leader of the NRA, has partnered with right wing traitors like Karl Rove. Put another way, "Wayne's World" has taken the NRA far way from an organization concerned mainly with Second Amendment rights and has turned that organization into, well, basically a right wing hate group that attacks Democrats on every issue available, including those having nothing to do with gun rights. So, the question remains: How do you solve any problem when you have organizations like the NRA that have an Islamic Fundamentalist's style reaction (or Christian Fundamentalist's style reaction for that matter) to any question or challenge concerning solving problems of violence? As a gun owner, I am open to any creative solution that will prevent tragedies like we saw unfold in Newtown, CT. A while ago, I gave up my NRA membership for the reasons mentioned above. I, like many other gun owners, want solutions. Not all gun owners are "Radical Fundamentalists" when it comes to gun ownership and solving problems in our society...
You sir, have WAY too much sense to be on a blog page. This is a place for the illogical! You know, the people who complain about athletes getting paid millions to throw or catch a ball, while standing in line to buy lottery tickets so they can get paid millions for doing absolutely nothing!
No, HE isn't, but this woman is certainly working on it
forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/01/06/senator-feinsteins-all-out-assault-on-gun-rights/
And one of her better known quotes was
By the way, just who is introducing that bill again? Oh, yeah...Sen. Dianne Feinstein.
January 13th the largest gun show in the US starts in Vegas (SHOT 2013)!! Thank you NBC for being the primary sponsor!!
Really? Where does it say in our laws or Supreme Court opinions, anywhere, that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to defend against tyranny? Please cite the law, and not merely opinions of whatever age.
The Supreme Court, however, has affirmed the power of the government to regulate access to firearms, and that the right to bear arms is not an unlimited right.
The Supreme
Court held:[43]
(1) The Second Amendment protects an
individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia,
and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense
within the home. Pp. 2–53. (a) The Amendment's prefatory clause announces a
purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the
operative clause. The operative clause's text and history demonstrate that it
connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22. (b) The prefatory
clause comports with the Court's interpretation of the operative clause. The
"militia" comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the
common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would
disarm the people in order to disable this citizens' militia, enabling a
politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny
Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear
arms, so that the ideal of a citizens' militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.
(c) The Court's interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in
state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second
Amendment. Pp. 28–30. (d) The Second Amendment's drafting history, while of
dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that
unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30–32. (e)
Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators,
from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also
supports the Court's conclusion. Pp. 32–47. (f) None of the Court's precedents
forecloses the Court's interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92
U. S. 542 , nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252 , refutes the individual-rights
interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174 , does not limit the
right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of
weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in
common use for lawful purposes. Pp. 47–54. (2) Like most rights, the Second
Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any
weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For
example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or
state analogues. The Court's opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on
longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the
mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places
such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and
qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller's holding that the sorts
of weapons protected are those "in common use at the time" finds support in the
historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual
weapons. Pp. 54–56. (3) The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as
applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District's total ban
on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class
of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of
self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to
enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition – in the place where the
importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute –
would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful
firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it
impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense
and is hence unconstitutional. Because Heller conceded at oral argument that
the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and
capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for
relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not
disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit
Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the
home. Pp. 56–64.
Cited from District of Columbia v. Heller
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
Let me list it in a more digestible format, wanted to preserve the entire decision if there was a question...
Heller was about the individual right to bear (some) arms. Although the quote about Antifederalists is interesting, the 2nd Amendment was not written by Antifederalists. It was written by James Madison, a staunch Federalist.
Biden has no more chance of banning guns than he has of banning baldness...
Luckily, this is not about banning guns - at least not all gun, anyway.
Go Joe!! I am not a gun owner I don't like guns or the fact that people, including policemen, carry guns around in public. If people need to possess a gun then they should be screened carefully and thouroughly and this includes those who currently possess guns. They should also give up DNA samples to the authorities to possess a gun. The second amendment was written 250 years ago and is completely outdated and needs to be amended further. People who lean on it are dillusional and selfish. Large clips, stores of ammunition, assault rifles and weapons that are capable of firing off 100 shots in 20 seconds should only be available to the military and law enforcement, you know, professionals.
Look at the Sioux Natives 122 years ago. You don't think that will happen again? WACO Texas you dont think the government was being too aggressive? If a government knows the citizens are armed they will never try to control a population because they will have huge opposition. I live in the middle of nowhere. It would take 25 to 30 minutes for police to get to me. I get snowed in for weeks at a time. How would i eat without a way to get food? Do you think people who drink shouldn't own a car? What about retired military or police? Should an airline pilot not protect and defend his plane? Yes i have a license to use my brain and most people that own firearms have trained and taken classes They respect firearms and use them with care. Violence done by firearms are usually by criminals who shouldn't posses a gun. They will still get guns even if you ban them like people still buy bucky balls from out of country. You may propose scanning mail how much of your privacy do you want to give up? How powerful do you want your government? Governments change overtime people become corrupt. Human nature is always changing. yes 2nd amendment was written 250 years ago but what can you say will happen in the next 250 years?
I think that the nuts that think they can defeat the US Army should go ahead a give it their best shot. Seriously, you feel froggy? Then jump! I will tell you the outcome of that confrontation...many weapons confiscated, many dead and jailed gun nuts and an end finally to gun ownership in the US. You anti-government bad a**es will either not show or run like the cowardly dogs you are. You are all dillusional if you think you can defeat the US Army.
Who's to say that many of those soldiers wouldn't be fighting with the people against a would-be dictator?
Ironically, enforcing unconstitutional mandates through "executive order" would be the very definition of "dictatorship".
Think about it.
It's hard to imagine anything useful coming from Biden, his name should be Blow Biden, all he ever does is laugh and spout B$.
For anyone that is all about taking guns away from the Citizens of this nation may i remind you of an event 122 years ago. Wounded Knee, the Sioux natives gave their firearms to their Federal friends who said it was for their safety and then slaughtered them. Americans have a right and need to have firearms to keep their government inline and to be able to take up arms to defend liberty. We also need firearms to protect ourselves from violent people who will still obtain weapons of any kind to inflict harm. There are a lot of people out there that think calling 911 or the government for help is always the best idea. Why do we train for CPR when we can call 911? because we are capable of handling emergency situations ourselves and should take care of them ourselves at first. USE your brain and intelligence for once. If you think getting rid of guns will solve the problem then lets ban anything that kills; fast food, cars, alcohol, cigs, athletics, motorcycles, etc... Get my point? Im not Republican nor am i Democratic im a person who stands for liberty and to get the Government out of the bedroom. Lets end the war on drugs and stop legislating morality. People kill people end of story.
Has anyone tried to take your guns away??
Well, actually Yes. Short-barrelled shotguns, and fully automatic guns were already made illegal in a "reasonable compromise" on "shall not be infringed". We just don't want MORE guns taken away.
The Media and the US are the best on the face of the earth at selling BS. The Media and the US both know why the NRA and their supporters are against any form of gun control............The NRA and it's supporters are a bunch of frighten lil-people, who have been arming themselves for years, yes years. The NRA and their supporters have been preaching to one another and arming themselves while planning for some fabricated race war. Maybe it's not a fabrication, maybe they're hoping to start a race war while they're still considered to be the Majority. Your children, Our children are dying everyday because YOU ARE A BUNCH OF LIL-FRIGHTEN PEOPLE.
Our children are dying everyday? Do you actually have arational unemotional idea on how to curb the violence? Because all I see you spouting is hate, based on fear, towards an organization and its memers which you know nothing about.
Race war I have never heard anything like that from the NRA however you seem to be a bit paranoid and may need to seek some help.
No NRA members are committing these crimes. Why would you focus on them ? The NRA is an almost completely citizen-supported civil rights group. Yes, they hire a lobbyist...because I have a job and can't go to Washington full time, as with most of the members.
Biden came out with guns blazing! That son of a gun waged an all-out frontal bombardment against the second amendment, but his attack misfired. "there was no silver bullet" said Biden. But he seemed to be firing blanks against the powerful ammunition of logic and reasoning brought to bear by the straight-shooters of the NRA.
NRA memberships are going great guns, but the organization is keeping its powder dry for now. There is no reason to jump the gun against the whining ninnies calling for more gun control. They are just shooting their mouths off. We have to stick to our guns on Constitutional principles or the loony libtard Left will come gunning for us all. The assault on the second amendment is literally the smoking gun that show that the Obama Admin is trying to subvert the Constitution, not defend it as they are sworn to do!
was the 2nd written so that we have to tolerate more than a MILLION gun related deaths and many many more millions of gun related injuries since 1970?
that is the question and it has to be addressed by everyone, not just a handful of lobbyists.
How about we make it illegal for CRAZY PEOPLE to buy guns ?!?!
.....and then ENFORCE IT ?
If you are "crazy" ie suffering from mental illness it is illegal now to buy guns.
BAN THE NRA.
Well then why is it that the NRA is the ONLY civilian Entity that the government recognises to certify instructors to certify students in Gun Safety and handling?
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The new Pissant Ostumbler jobs program-applications being accepted continuously. Gun Grabbing Goon grade 17 Southern Tier. Starting salary $47,500. Medical and life insurance included. Job description- While wearing black ninja pjs, mask and full body armor will go house to house in W. Va., Arkansa an Texas confiscating firearms. Retirement is within 48 hours at Arlngton National Cemetary.
Well great statement Jade Mountain. Except what would that do. Liberals need to wake up. Guns aren't going away. Grow a pair and go buy one yourself. Don't like them!! Well then be the sheep.