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Subscribe to RSSCapping off a week of meetings with stakeholders in the debate over gun control, Vice President Joe Biden called a session with the National Rifle Association 'productive' despite the group's public complaints yesterday.
"I thought we had a very straightforward, productive meeting," Biden said of yesterday's closed-door session with pro-gun groups.
The NRA charged in a statement yesterday that the Obama administration has "an agenda to attack the Second Amendment."
Vice President Joe Biden will present his task force's gun policy recommendations Thursday – among them, most likely, to reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
But Biden said that the variety of gun owners' organizations that met at the White House yesterday did not all share the NRA's opinions on the causes of and potential solutions for mass gun violence.
“There was actually a difference among them as well,” he said. “There was not a uniform view.”
Biden invoked a common metaphor about firearms to describe the challenges facing foes of gun violence.
"We know there's no silver bullet" for stopping mass shootings, he said during a meeting with video game industry representatives.
Related: Assault weapons ban remains politically tricky for White House
The vice president has said he wants his task force to present recommendations to the president by next week.
"I'm shooting for Tuesday," he said. "I hope we get it done by then."
As Vice President Joe Biden prepares to present sweeping gun control proposals, residents of Newtown are speaking out. Meanwhile, investigators continue to examine what triggered Adam Lanza's rage. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports.
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Whoo hoo! Government wants to have. enforce gun control, save the children, their families... Ok then stop abortion its the leading killer of our future generation(by the way, abortion is NOT planned parenthood)(planned parenthood is taking responsibility before you get pregnant), oh and hey take away knives, oh and lets not forget every product that can be used in homeade bombs, lets also take away alcohol since drunk drivers kill innocent people. While we are at it lets ban Monsanto for poisoning the seeds for crops, stop all insecticides as they can cause health issues and death.... Really has the USA became so ignorant that they can't see that all Government wants is total control of our daily lives and choices? I've read where 32 oz soft drinks are being banned and super sized candy bars, Dang if parents quit sitting their kids in front of video games and sent them outside to play these items would not be and issue.There we go, lets ban all graphic violent video games that feed violence to the unstable that are causing the good law abiding people to lose their rights if the president/vice president get their way.
2nd Amendment is one of basis for the Liberties that make up the Bill of Rights . . . if one goes then what willf follow next ??? Lets see . . .
"Freedom of Religion" has been changed to "Freedom FROM religion", at least as it pertains to those awful Christian nuts.
The Constitution is also old and out of date and doesn't really apply in todays modern world. Isn't that what our leaders are saying these days?
Actually 1 & 4 have already been decimated, for decades. 4, 5 & 7 was decimated by the Patriot Act (ask the ACLU). 4 will be decimated online in a couple months when every text is kept.
So logically, they are hitting the 2nd.
There are two prerequisites for turning a free country into a dictatorship: #1) Control the flow of information; #2) Disarm the people.
I don't think it is coincidence that protections against these are #1 and #2 in the Bill of Rights.
So lets just throw out the entire Constitution of the United States of America and lets just adopt a facist country . . . is that what you want .....
We have liberals with @!$%# for brains is all can say.
I think they are brilliant, after all they have moved their agendas along just fine and are making their dreams come true more and more each year. For 2013 we have a huge increase in taxes, marriage has been downgraded to nothing more than a contract of convenience, that whole husband/wife raising a family thing is circling the toilet, crime is on the rise, unemployment isn't really improving, we're becoming just another Country in the eyes of the world, leadership and responsibility is just too hard, and once we lose our weapons of war, we'll be even less able to stop the destruction of this once great nation. I'm glad I don't have many years left, but am worried about my children.
I want someone who supports gun control to explain why they want to get rid of the AR and high capacity magazine even though they are used in less than .001% of gun violence? In most states, the AR isn't even deadly enough to use on deer.
We don't want to get rid of all of the AR 15's and high capacity magazines, just the ones in the hands of dumba$$es like you.
Dave
Gunless, Godless, and Proud
"We don't want to get rid of all of the AR 15's and high capacity magazines, just the ones in the hands of dumba$$es like you.
Dave
Gunless, Godless, and Proud"
Well thats the third version of anti position I've seen tonight.
We've seen Ban all semis/assault/selected magazines
Ban all weapons period.
Now this new version??
Redneck....I guess you don't have an answer. Typical liberal. Since they lack facts and logic, they answer questions with insults and name calling. I expected more from someone who claims to be a lawyer. Maybe passing the Bar in the South has a completely different standard.
Right. No one's trying to ban all guns. What the hell is wrong with universal background checks so at least we weed out some of the bad guys before they get their hands on that kind of firepower?
Rednecklawyer9: I have no problem with a background check. But your bare is far higher than your fellow anti's.
Go through the pages.
There was no real meeting, butt biden already had his agenda. Keep gay's get rid of guns.
Its the gays that are destroying this country . . . our morality is going the way of a bunch of fagits. I say we keep the guns and use them on the fags.
LMAO - Productive? If your concept of productive is an empty jester for media consumption that never had any intent or expectation to be anything but a photo-op, then yes, it was productive.
If these meetings had been public with all sides of the issue present and able to debate the pros and cons of each, then maybe it would have meet the transparency in government the administration promised 4 years ago. Its all a bunch of hooey. Biden and his pals had already decided what they were going to do well before the official "talks" even started. Bans and restrictions, the ignoring of the 2nd amendment, etc., etc., same SSDD.
So for 2013, we all pay more taxes, our health insurance premiums goes up, we lose more liberties and are less able to defend ourselves against the bad guys and a potentially completely out-of-control government. The 2nd amendment did have a clear intent to arm civilians against it's own government gone wild if the need ever arose you know.
Yeah for 2013, it's comforting to have less money to buy food and gas, and 911 should be enough to stop those bad guys that are kicking in my front door. God Bless America. Opps, I forgot I'm not allowed to use the "G" word in public.
You mean not to use GOD in public. The same GOD of the Christian's. The GOD who granted humans inalienable rights. The same GOD who told the Hebrews to throw off the shackles of the Pharaohs slavery. Is that the GOD that we are not supposed to speak of in public. GOD, GOD , GOD.
“Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to
the local police authority. Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew’s possession
will be forfeited to the government without compensation. Whoever willfully or
negligently violates the provisions will be punished with imprisonment and a
fine.” - Nazi Law (Regulations Against Jews’ Possession of Weapons),
1938
Aren't progress and enlightenment grand?
I'm sure the people of Iran, Syria, Russia, and China wished they had a 2nd Amendment
“Gun control? It’s the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want
you to have nothing. I’m a bad guy; I’m always gonna have a gun. Safety locks?
You will pull the trigger with a lock on, and I’ll pull the trigger. We’ll see
who wins.” - Sammy “The Bull” Gravano, whose testimony convicted John Gotti
Yep, it's wonderful...
Of course he's going to say that "it was productive". Cmon Man. You and I know all this is B.S. Gun laws dont stop criminals. Gun laws only stop law abiding people. Washington DC has the strictest gun laws in the nation and they have the biggest murder rate. We WILL NOT ALLOW OUR RIGHTS TO BE TRAMPLED. IF "ITS" GOING TO HAPPEN, THEN LET IT HAPPEN NOW. This is our Concord.
“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has
full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and
the world will follow our lead into the future!” - Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The
Weapons Act of Nazi Germany
The US is not like any other country. We are enlightened.
Yeah, we're really fuggin' enlightened. More gun deaths than any other civilized country on the planet.
NRA, you can go kiss my gun-free liberal a$$!
Dave
Gunless, Godless and Proud
The point was that your gun-free liberal A$$ thinks that our government is enlightened or trustworthy enough to take our only defense away.
You think that we are "better" than the Germans just like the Germans thought they were better than the Romans.
Not enlightened...not intelligent. The only thing you have to offer this world is a vote. Stop wasting other people's air.
@Yeah, we're really fuggin' enlightened. More gun deaths than any other civilized country on the planet.
Per capita The U.S. has less violent crime than most other industrialized nations.
The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn’t even make the “top 10″ list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.
Maybe if our government had not supported our shipping manufacturing away. The crime rate might have been lower?? What party did that?? BOTH!!!!
Now they want to control the out of work subjects.
Rather than help the nation as a whole. No Bill seemingly giving them more power hever fails in either the Senate or the House. The only bi-partisain thing happening.
Now they'll disarm the subjects, removing the citizens rights.
Where have we seen this before? Rome comes to mind...end of the Republic...
Yeah, but how many countries have first graders getting mowed down in their classrooms, or people at a movie theatre, or a shopping mall. Only here in the good ol' US of A.
The question is: do we do something or do we do nothing?
You gun nuts who want to do nothing make me sick.
Just think of those innocent little kids getting their brains blown apart and you're willing to shrug it off as the price of "freedom"?
You're not free. You are just brainwashed pawns of the gun industry.
Dave
Gunless, Godless, and Proud
Let me guess , your referring to Europe?? Can't be Africa, the middle east or South America.
Real easy to have a great standard of living, when someone else defends you.
Wonder what all those BILLIONS of dollars could have done in this country?? How many less broken families breeding crime???
And we are still doing it. Obama is asking to keep thousands of troops in Afghanistan.
How many mental health facilities & doctors visits could be paid for , by leaving that hell hole???
Oh , and Redneck , do not forget the massacre in Norway. Great example of gun laws not working.
"Stupid is as stupid does."
Forrest Gump
Biden's middle name is Stupid? Figures.
Is Obama really serious about gun control? Putting Joe Biden in charge is a formula for failure.
Joe is the ideal point man on this - do not underestimate him. Good luck to you Joe - this will be difficult and emotional, but you are the right person to get the job done.
Yep, good old "this is a big f_cking deal" Joe.....What a great point man....what a great..........oh crap, I give up.
He got the can kicked on the budget. Uncle, non-minority, Cracker frightens me. He has mental retard strength.
100,000 people joined the NRA in the last 18 days. Make that 100,001 cause I just got done signing up too. Keep talking, Biden. You are the best recruiter the NRA has ever had! By the way, it is only 25 bucks to join.
Totally meaningless even if it is true. The majority of NRA members already do not agree with its leadership's inflexible positions on common sense gun control legislation, just as the majority of Americans - recoiling in disgust at the slaughter of innocent children in their own classrooms - are demanding action.
Inaction is no longer an option, and we wish the president and vice president well in spearheading the difficult task ahead.
Of the 142 handguns used in mass shootings in the last 20 years only 25% were assault weapons.
Yep, rifles only account for like 300-400 deaths a year and a lot are accidents. Dirty hospitals and bad doctors kill hundreds of thousands......just wait until Obamarama care fully kicks in with their death panels.
NONE of them were assault weapons! Assault weapons are fully automatic.
And that's supposed to make me feel better? That's 25% too many. How about aiming for 0%?
Dave
Gunless, Godless, and Proud
Like I said Redneck, it was 0%. Feel better now?
I wish Obama and Biden would shut their pie holes so I could go to the gun store and buy something in stock..........they and the liberal press have gotten EVERYBODY all spun up; completely out of CONTROL !!!
That's just too bad now, isn't it. Nobody cares about selfish people like yourself. There WILL be action taken because the country has had enough of these mass shootings, and the massacre of 20 little children was the final straw.
Doing nothing is no longer an option, and most Americans support the president and vice president working to implement common sense, reasonable gun control legislation that can, at the very least, help stop this type of carnage from happening as frequently as they have been. Nothing unreasonable about that.
" Nobody cares about selfish people like yourself." Really?? did you know the Mall Shooter in Portland put a bullet in his head when someone with a CCW pulled a weapon on him; saved MANY....nope... you don't hear about the GOOD citizens that often stop really bad things from happening....call me selfish all you want just know I'm the good guy in the mall...
After they take semi-autos and mags the bad guys will use shotguns and rifles... on and on.....yet the violence doesn't go away just the methods of killing change........live your life how you want; but I have my guns and I will keep them from sheeple like you...
The favorite weapon used were semi-auto handguns. But Libs want them banned because they are big and scary looking.
I know right....and yet a lady beaten with a baseball bat is ok....
"Closed-Door Talks?" really? what, us "children" must wait in our bedrooms till bat-@!$%# crazy Uncle Joe gets done determining our fate as gun owners?? So much for an OPEN administration.
Politicians do not care about saving lives, other than their own. Politicians fear the fact that free Americans have in their possession a tool of freedom, only to be used if the ballot box and the jury box have failed and the government has turned against the people. The Second Amendment has NEVER been about Hunting, it has stood forth as the last refuge of the citizen who's government has desided to cast aside the Constitution and dictate to the people if they will be given rights by said governemnt. We the People of the United States of America cannot, in good conscience, let our government deside how we must live, how we raise our families, what medical treatment we can and cannot recieve, nor any other unconstitutional restriction of a free people that effects our lives, liberties, and our pursuit of happyness. If we bow to the pressure of dictatorial politicians to give up on our Second Amendment Rights, then the rest of the Bill of Rights will be meaningless and unenforcable by a defenseless population of serfs. If you give up your tools of freedom for a false sense of security, you deserve neither and will eventually live on your knees under a government that will prove that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Dont believe it would happen here? Watch "The Battle of Athens Tennessee" on YouTube. Many times, some of the last words spoken by many people who were slaughtered by their own governments were, "It can't happen here."
This discussion brings to mind a phrase in a recent movie.
"....what if we leave and you are wrong?"
Giving an inch may cost us a lot more in the long run than even the anti-gun would be willing to give.
I keep waiting for bonehead Biden to talk about how they plan to keep guns from criminals. Wow! What a concept!
Joe Biden suggest something that actually makes sense! I Know, I'll have to wait till hell freezes over. Beside,
here we are 5 months later and He and Obama are STILL lying about Benghazi.
Bidden has never had a truly productive day in his life, he is just another wealthy liberal elitist
On the contrary - wealth never mattered to ol' Joe. He is and always has been a 'regular' guy from humble beginnings, so you obviously do not know what you are talking about. I do believe he will get something positive accomplished on this matter though - Obama was correct in allocating it to him.
Prove it Jersey...............prove just what you said. You are really nothing more than a brainwashed liberal.
Why is Biden not talking to experts in the security industry or the APA or criminologists and law enforcement leaders. It seems to me that they may be able to offer some solutions that will stand a chance of making schools safer.
I will tell you why. He is only interested in pushing the administration's agenda.
He HAS been talking to some of these folks - are you not paying attention?
Joe will do his very best on this. He is as upset about the slaughter of all these little children as the rest of the country, and wants to make a positive difference. Be patient - he will make his recommendations to the president next week.
Ok Jersey...let me ask you this ONE question....why hasn't the President or Biden talked about and asked the American people to buy safes for their guns? That one thing would have already saved lives...Obama was fine telling us all to put air in our tires to conserve energy....yet when in the spotlight doesn't ask people to get safes...Just curious???
Face it their agenda just follows the liberal mind set...frankly I think Obama's tears where contrived and an act....he just cares about HIS policy's...
Where are the headlines of his meetings with real experts. I see that Biden has met with the NRA, video game executives, the Brady Commission and various reps from the entertainment community. I can't find any mention of meetings with the APA, the security industry or criminologists.
Ok. I'm done arguing with you gun lovers for tonight. You're boring me. You can all jerk off to your latest issue of Guns and Ammo while I go screw my gorgeous, blond, liberal, atheist wife. Good nite!
Dave
Gunless, Godless, and Proud
Good night redneck enjoy the sloppy seconds and VD.
Being Godless is hardly something to be proud of.
I hope he continues to scream Godless and proud when Lucifer is burning his flesh.
Rednecklawyer9, I feel sorry for you....... Gorgeous, brunette, guns, God, and happy :-)
Becky sounds like the type of girl I could go for.
Check and see if she has a sister then would ya?
Of the 142 guns used in mass shootings over the last year only 25% were so called assault rifles. The counts.
68 semi-auto handguns
20 revolvers
19 shotguns
35 semi-auto rifles
So banning semi-auto rifles does not address the problem. Even if you did shooters would just use different weapons. What makes sense is to put guards in schools, arm some staff after vetting and training, provide tighter access to schools (no one should be able to walk in unchallenged), and keep guns away from mental cases.
Numbers, statistics, logic, facts. They are all meaningless to liberals.
They refuse to balance the level of public harm with the level of effort need to combat that harm. They will cynically use any news as an excuse to limit our freedoms, and then ignore any contradictory facts.
A different coloring or grip can cause a gun to be classified as an assault rifle. NEXT !
Two guns can be identical down to make and model with the same clip. One can be an assault rifle, and the other may not be, but they fire exactly the same way, hold the same amount of ammo. The laws make no sense.
Rocky - Liberals have no actual knowledge or understanding of firearms. They can only judge one based on how scary it looks.
Most Liberals own firearms, many of them own "assault weapons", many of them hunt as well, and many of them illegally own guns and guns that are illegal. There are pressure groups lobbying Washington, and many are working hand in hand with the media or are the media themselves who either have little understanding of the issues, or are strictly supporting anything Obama says and does blindly. Where is the ACLU in this ? As our rights are being taken away, they have been silent.
ACLU? Ya Right.
Rocky -
The ACLU? YOu are joking, aren't you? The ACLU of the present is all about the liberal agenda, eroding our freedom of speech and other freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights in the name of political correctness. They are part of the reason this country is in the state of moral decay that it is.