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Subscribe to RSSCapping off a week of meetings with stakeholders in the debate over gun control, Vice President Joe Biden called a session with the National Rifle Association 'productive' despite the group's public complaints yesterday.
"I thought we had a very straightforward, productive meeting," Biden said of yesterday's closed-door session with pro-gun groups.
The NRA charged in a statement yesterday that the Obama administration has "an agenda to attack the Second Amendment."
Vice President Joe Biden will present his task force's gun policy recommendations Thursday – among them, most likely, to reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
But Biden said that the variety of gun owners' organizations that met at the White House yesterday did not all share the NRA's opinions on the causes of and potential solutions for mass gun violence.
“There was actually a difference among them as well,” he said. “There was not a uniform view.”
Biden invoked a common metaphor about firearms to describe the challenges facing foes of gun violence.
"We know there's no silver bullet" for stopping mass shootings, he said during a meeting with video game industry representatives.
Related: Assault weapons ban remains politically tricky for White House
The vice president has said he wants his task force to present recommendations to the president by next week.
"I'm shooting for Tuesday," he said. "I hope we get it done by then."
As Vice President Joe Biden prepares to present sweeping gun control proposals, residents of Newtown are speaking out. Meanwhile, investigators continue to examine what triggered Adam Lanza's rage. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports.
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The DNC routinely hires hacks to dominate these gun control discussion forums. Notice that they use the same tired talking points, never anything new even the same phrases. The techniques are as recommended by Bill Ayers, BHO's mentor.
1. Always continually insult your opponents; comments questioning sexual adequacy, orientation or implying perversion are best. Always use insulting names when addressing your opponents
2. Always take extreme positions so that anything less can be claimed as 'compromise'
3. Never admit that any idea proposed by the opponent has merit.
4. Remember your side never has done anything wrong and your opponent has never done anything right. They are against the 'people'; you are for them.
5. Remember, your opponents are mentally ill; this will simplify rounding them up for incarceration after you seize control.
6. Never discuss logic, only emotion.
7. In order to gain credibility, occasionally claim to be a former member of the opposition who has 'seen the light'
Seems to be the liberal point of view. I have seen it happen over and over in politics and on this site. Republicans base there ideas on facts, while the democrats seem to decide things on fear and emotion and leave no place for logic or reasoning.
Sadly, it's delusional. But what else can I expect!
Herron...That happens with nearly every controversial issue. SS, Medicare, the Debt, Deficits, Unions, Heath Care, etc. Delusional is when it is fictitious, but I can give you example after example (lets start with the Ryan plan and liberals claiming he wants to throw grandma off a cliff).
put...........
he wasn't going to throw grandma off the cliff (that would of taken too much energy). he was just going to give her wheelchair a nudge to get her started. then he was going to run his marathon and see if he could beat her to the bottom of the mountain.
depraw : I answered your inquiries in # 28 & 30# .
Two more Questions,
What was used in the largest mass school killing in the U.S.?
What was used in the largest mass killing in the U.S., I will exclude 911?
Hint Wasn't guns.
Takers?
roc.......
you are sick. i mean really sick. please get some help. i am going to start a background check. will be in touch with you within 48 hours.
p.s. yes we work Sundays.
deprave is the official jr. nazi name taker for the lib group - be careful or he will report you to THE AUTHORITES
Careful depraw that could constitute a lawsuit plus you just will not answer question because the answer was not guns.
#102.13
once you realize they are really not immoral, just amoral (kind of like bacteria) they won't bother you as much.
I understand wanting to have background checks for every gun purchase or to have a license to carry a firearm. That makes sense. Banning guns and high capacity magazines that are virtually never used in crimes because they look scary does't make sense. Why don't we try to find common ground and improve the situation.
There is no common ground with people who have no respect for the Republic. It would be like trying to find common ground with John Wayne Gacy or Joseph Stalin.
I think 'sedition' is in the dictionary just before 'traitor' - a person who a cause or trust. Synonyms are hypocrite, miscreant and Herron.
Took a poll of the NRA members that I know most are Veterans a few Police officers and they don't agree with limiting Law abiding citizens the right to own an AR-15 or any other weapon for that matter.
Of course not, the left just makes up statistics and numbers as they go. The end justifies the means
I will oppose Obama and his ilk that want to tear up the Constitution. I took an oath when I was young to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution against all ENEMIES foreign and DOMESTIC.
Hasn't every veteran?
Yes, I am a veteran as well. As is my husband, my father, and as was my late father-in-law (may he rest in peace). My youngest is active duty at present.
My family takes the responsibilities of being citizens of this republic very seriously.
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson
The NRA pushed for and got the NICS background check into the Brady Bill so don't tell me that they dont advocate for provisions that really work.
But did we follow up and prosecute those felons or fugitives that were turned down under the law?
I'll take no we didn't for a thousand Alex.
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams
Let me guess? The Letters of the President's??? I wish more people would read them.
Then they might actually understand the historical reference of the Bill of Rights.
boe............
read the whole constitution. stop putting out bits and pieces that just help your position. if you would read......well i'll just stop here. because you won't read what the truth is anyway.
Depraw
Boe wasn't quoting the constitution, he was quoting one of the framers......I think that Samuel Adams probably had a better idea of the intent of the constitution than you do.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." But of course depraw you have never read the Constitution nor any of the writings of the Founding Fathers. And you ignore them because it doesn't support your desire to confiscate peoples arms.
depraw:
There's something called the Messages and Papers of the Presidents. It's the proclamations, annual messages and messages to the Senate & House of Representatives.
Unfortunately, our schools teach a extremely watered down version of the history of our country.
If Samuel Adams were here now and witnessed Newtown and Aurora etc he would be singing a different tune.
Dave
Gunless, Godless, and Proud
Rednecklawyer9: Go drink one rather than put words in a dead mans mouth. Show me in his writings where he agrees with you.
And , do you think , no violence occurred in the 1700's ??? Often with small hamlets & towns razed??
rednecklawyer I'm just stating the obvious but you left out that you're Gutless!!!
And depraw semi-automatics have been around for over a century. They are nothing new.
What is new , is a unpopular government trying to weaken the Constitution.
Before you go take the bait on "unpopular government" . I mean the 12% approval rating for the legislature.
Last I saw, one party controlled each chamber.
scar......
no sh!t. the Agar gun was allowed to be used during the Civil war. it's use was also restricted during the war. and the Ordnace Department eventually ruled that this gun was too violent and took it out of service. it was never allowed to be used by civilians because it was considered too violent.
so if you want to put out information..put out all the information. The NRA has you trained well. just put out the information that helps your position.
depraw: I'm not a NRA member. But every insulting episode with you begs me to become one.
Just so you actually know. At the writing of the Bill of Rights . The populace were better armed than the Military. Rifles had better range and accuracy than military issued muskets.
This happened again with the Win 94 vs the breech loading Springfield.
But now your calling a semi-auto a military copy of a full assault weapon , a assault weapon.
Yes, I do worry , when people who have not educated themselves on a subject. Feel inclined to make policy on said subject.
On the Agar gun:The guns were condemned by the Ordnance Department for using too much ammunition to ever be practical, and the guns saw little use on the battlefield. They were often deployed to remote locations to guard bridges and narrow passes.[5] The guns often performed poorly in the field. Hmm , those drum magazines have the same problem. Do I care if drum magazines are outlawed??? Not too much.....
The Agar Gun was praised by President Lincoln. It did see use during the civil war but was limited by design constrictions. Few were used due to large cost.
roc...........
finish the sentence.........few were used due to large costs and the guns violent nature.
Then why was it praised by Lincoln and the Ordinance dept.? Few were used for few were purchased due to cost. At $1000 that was a lot of money then.
depraw: and who's going for full automatic arms legalization?? So your point is???Really???
ww.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/02/liberal-ex-columnist-death-threats-published-in-des-moines-register/
"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
- James Earl Jones
The NRA is against a universal gun register because that is the first step in taking guns away from citizens.
I guess it depends what the definition of "mental health checks" is and what they are opposed to on that. I have never heard that they are against mental health checks, but I am sure that they would be against onerous mental health checks.
The gun show thing is an urban myth from what I have seen. It is more difficult to get a firearm at a gun show than your local walmart.
I doubt it has anything to do with selling more guns. Most of those suggestions will not decrease the amount of new guns sold.
put............
1) how in the hell is a universal register going to take your guns away? Do you have something to hide that might prevent you from getting a gun?
2) mental health check agency WAS defunded.
3) the gun show thing is NOT a myth.
4) because of stricter controls there might be fewer guns sold. if the NRA believes that they are doing their job now then there shouldn't be less sales. so why are they so against better controls?
depraw:
"1) how in the hell is a universal register going to take your guns away? Do you have something to hide that might prevent you from getting a gun?"
Ever hear of the concept that if one does not learn from history, they are doomed to repeat the mistakes of history again??
Given , your stance, I fear you haven't.
stop with the NRA talking points. think for yourself please.
Depraw......Why should we have a universal gun registry? How would that keep anyone safer? It is completely unnecessary. It is also the first step that countries use to take guns away. I can see the merits of having to have a license to own and operate a gun, just like we have drivers license, but I do not see the need to have a gun registry.
Is there a "mental health agency" that was defunded? Or were they asked to increase at a slower rate than they wanted to? Sometimes cuts are not really cuts.
I did some research on the "gun show loophole". The problem is the name. The loophole doesn't really apply to gun shows. It applies to private individuals. Every gun show that I have gone to requires booths to be used by gun dealers. The loophole really only applies to the guy how advertised on ebay, the newspaper, or garage sales.
Mental Health check agency (as you call it) was defunded due to ACLU lawsuit.
See post #102.13
depraw: I'm not a NRA member, I am a Democrat,
"stop with the NRA talking points. think for yourself please."
Obviously , does not apply .
Now tell me registration has not been used historically to control the populace??
Tell me religion hasn't been used to do the same thing???
Or the media in propaganda mode???
Going to insult or debate logically??
@Herron:
This was when THERE WAS NO MILITARY, Gumby. It was so the US could DEFEND ITSELF! Washington was talking about citizens ASSISTING THE FEDS!
Dang, did you finish 8th grade????
Seams that you need to open up that history book again Herron.
In its very first session, the United States Congress had a lot of decisions to make. One important topic the first representatives and senators needed to address was establishing the U.S. military. There already was a colonial army--the Continental Army--that had fought the British in the American Revolution and won under General George Washington. But this army was not the official army of the United States.
Finally, on September 29, 1789, the last day of its first session, the U.S. Congress passed an act to establish the United States military.
The Second Amendment was ratified in 1791 three years after the establishment of the military.
Herron you have been served.
There are things that we could do to make us safer, but it seems that the extremes from either side will keep us from getting anything done. Banning high capacity clips and ARs will not make anyone safer or less these tragedies. They are feelgood regulations and not based on logic. Those opposed to any sort of regulation are just being foolish. We were intended to have a well regulated militia. There needs to be a balance, I right now, I think we have one.
They need to secure the border's and all the illegal's entering into our country and bringing the cartel's and there gang member's in our country .where's the border control and the immigration,organization's on this issue which are already establishing gang's in our country and you won't to take our high capacity gun's when the cartel's can get them,you people are craze be cause you aren't get into all the issues are you now!
This is how Democrats think.
"When we got organized as a country, [and] wrote a fairly radical Constitution, with a radical Bill of Rights, giving radical amounts of freedom to Americans, it was assumed that Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly .... When personal freedom is being abused, you have to move to limit it."
- Bill Clinton
"The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements .... They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results."
- Benito Mussolini
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty."
- Adolf Hitler
There is only one way. End the madness. Repeal the second amendment. Then, maybe, sensible laws can be passed.
Watch gangland on Chanel 61 "GANGLAND" "sometimes", and then tell me you are addressing all the issue's in this country and the flow of drug's still getting in and will the murder's stop if we are getting gang's in our country?
What I see in common on EVERY SCHOOL SHOOTING is the use of a CAR to transport the shooter and his weapons to the scene.....Just outlaw the use of Vehicles to drive to the scene of the shooting.....If they use a vehicle to get to the scene then that is an extra 20 years......after all if it saves just one life it will be worth it......
"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party."
- Mao Tse Tung
Are you sure that said communist party and not democratic party?
They are interchangeable as they both believe in an all powerful government that controls all aspects of peoples lives.
Same same.
"If I could have banned them all - 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns' - I would have!"
- Diane Feinstein