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As the White House considers proposals to curb gun violence, a potential re-upping of the 1990s ban on assault weapons has emerged as the most politically difficult measure for activists hoping to keep the most dangerous weapons out of criminal hands.
But, after pro-gun groups met with Vice President Joe Biden's task force on violence prevention yesterday, at least one participant came away believing that it's a fight that President Barack Obama is willing to try.
Richard Feldman, the president of the Independent Firearm Owners Association said that Biden left the group with the “clear implication” that the president would pursue an assault weapons ban in addition to other regulatory measures.
In naming possible new regulations this week, Biden mentioned universal background checks and restrictions on high-capacity magazines but did not refer specifically to an assault weapon moratorium. The president and his spokespeople have said repeatedly that the administration is in favor of an assault weapons ban.
White House officials say Vice President Joe Biden has offered to speak with families impacted by the Newtown tragedy for their input as he negotiates solutions to gun violence in the U.S. NBC's Kristen Welker reports.
Feldman told NBC News said the conversation in the closed-door meeting with gun rights groups was “wide ranging."
“We certainly talked rather extensively about civil commitment laws," he said. "The Attorney General was in the meeting. We talked about enforcement procedures against violations.”
Feldman’s take on the session seemed to be different than the National Rifle Association’s, which came out with a fairly combative statement late in the day indicating that the White House was not open to hearing the concerns of Second Amendment proponents.
“I think that it was a conversation and it wasn't a lecture,” Feldman countered.
When asked about the NRA’s characterization of the meeting, Feldman praised NRA advocate Jim Baker for forcefully voicing the concerns of the nation's most powerful gun group.
"I think the vice president, who knows Jim, listened to them," he added. "But you know, we come at this from different positions.”
The NRA has stated that they’re going to take their argument up to Capitol Hill, something that some experts say could be part of a two-path approach for the gun rights group.
“My guess is what we're going to see is a kind of two-layer game," said Don Kettl, dean of the Public Policy School at the University of Maryland. "For the NRA itself, they've made very clear so far that they're just not interested in anything that remotely involves any effort to try to reduce the availability of guns, or ammunition or any of the other pieces or anything that would restrict the ownership of guns. But behind the scenes I suspect they and some of their lobbyists are going to be working very carefully to try to find ways of at least minimizing, from their point of view, the damage.”
Kettl thinks this could be a defining moment for the group, “Deep down this is one of those line-in-the-sand kind of issues that will be the make or break for the NRA's power. And I suspect we are in the middle of a defining debate in the pubic right now about the role of guns in American society.”
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Hey Lefty the Right blows! Just so you know there pal! Forgot to take your meds today I see.
You suffer from narcissism. Thankfully for you Obamcare allows for pre-existing conditions.
Only in TONYWARVET's fevered brain do childish insults substitute for reasoned logic. Sad.
The fact remains, the right of the people to keep and bear arms is important to the preservation of our freedom against would-be tyrants.
Kannin
That's why I have one gun set up specifically for Sliver Backs. FMJ's, no hollow points . Try for a head shot & it would probably bounce off.
I am a law abidng American with no criminal record, no mental health issues. I work 50 plus hours a week and pay my taxes. I can't even remember the last time I got a speeding ticket. Why should I not be allowed to own an AR15?.
Actually, you do have mental health issues, proven by how many times you robo-post this crap. Are you at the NRA offices right now?
Could you please just answer the question. Thank you. You sound very angry. There are support groups for that you know.
No mental health issues and wants an AR-15. Hmmmmmm
JimS, could you please just answer the question.
Must be a lot of gun nuts here,because I'm ONLY addressing the gun nuts,not the sane,responsible gun owners who have a LIFE besides guns.
But you keep on lumping everyone together. I would agree that something needs to be done to stop people with mental heaalth issues from getting guns. The biggest problem is the medical privacy and HIPA laws. The government can read your email, text messages, check your web surfing history, your driving and arrest record, but not your mental health records. Why is that?
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They should never stop slapping you clowns. Here's where the NRA lost me, when they blocked the possibility of investigating the stockpiling of arms of known terrorists in the US linked to 911. They would protect terrorists to keep anyone from looking into where all the guns are. What world do you live in that you see boogiemen everywhere?
Please stare at the shiny object and repeat after me......
We're doing this to protect you. We're doing this to protect the children. We promise to protect you.
We're doing this to protect you. We're doing this to protect the children. We promise to protect you.
We're doing this to protect you. We're doing this to protect the children. We promise to protect you.
We're doing this to protect you. We're doing this to protect the children. We promise to protect you.
We're doing this to protect you. We're doing this to protect the children. We promise to protect you.
Now, at the count of 3, you will remain in your sheepish, propagandized, brainwashed slumber.
1...... 2...... 3.
Good one.
Outstanding post champagnesabre!
So that's how they brainwash liberals! I suspected it was an easy process.
Poor,poor gun nuts have such fragile feelings,hug your guns that might help! The changes in gun laws are a coming and you will not like it! Of course there is NOTHING you can do. You people are against ALL sensible gun related regulations,it might disturb your little gun fantasy world and we couldn't have that of course!
Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
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On his inauguration, President Obama will be protected by the Secret Service, 11,500 soldiers, and 4,000 police officers. They have armor and automatic weapons. No one is assigned to protect my family.
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If I call 911 it will be a minimum of 30 minutes before an officer arrives at my house, perhaps I can serve the bad guys tea and crumpets while we wait.
Lets see the SWAT teams will begin confiscating guns on Feb. 1st, 2013. But wait they tried that at Waco and Ruby Ridge and took heavy casualties. Extrapolating from that by Feb. 7th, 2013 the Gubimint will run out of SWAT team members. LOL
Look for the black helicopters. Or maybe the men in white coats.
When the people willingly give up their guns, they forfeit their guarantee of liberty.
As John Langdon of New Hampshire said while James Madison and colleagues were contemplating the wording of the 2nd amendment to guarantee the people their liberty, "Gentlemen, history has taught us a document alone cannot guarantee peace nor liberty, peace and liberty can only be guaranteed by a force equal or superior to the threat."...............And that is why the 2nd amendment is worded as it is....
The child who gets ahold of the "shiny" gun from his home and shoots himself and or other people is being protected of course. Homes that have children and guns sometimes lead to the children being shot by that same weapon! Unfortunately there are many"legal" gun owners who are irresponsible and careless. Of course the NRA would say this never happens as they are in denile.
What you fail to take into account are all of the responsible gun owners out of over 70,000,000 that handle and store their weapons safely, and whose weapons have never been used in the commission of a crime, nor injured another human being.
Your name says war vet, but did you really serve? Do you know the safe handling practices for weapons? Have you ever seen an Eddie Eagle video that is produced by the NRA specifically for children? The video promotes Stop!, Don't Touch!, Get an Adult!, in a very simple format that is easy for children of any age to comprehend.
Does this really sound like the promotion of mentally disturbed people being able to access guns and kill others?
Let's try to be rational instead of spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
For the record, I served over 10 years in the Marines, own several weapons to include an M4 and nobody has ever been injured by any weapon I have been in possession of. I live on 10 acres in the middle of the woods with my closest neighbor a 1/2 mile down the road. My guns are locked in a safe in my home when not in use. Do you really want to send someone out to take my M4 away?
Tony,
A tragedy such as you mention is the result of irresponsible parents, not shiny guns. Do we ban people from having knives autos or swimming pools to protect their kids? What about staircases or objects that could fall on children?.....Your bucket has holes in it my friend
Doctors are designed to kill.
Abortion doctors kill 3000 kids a day. Lefties are hypocrites.
3,000 a day? Could I get just one name of a baby that was killed by an abortion doctor.
Right, Jim.
To you it's not a baby. It's a blob of medical waste.
Defenders of Waco and Ruby Ridge are defending criminal scumbags. Go ahead and defend law breakers Jethro I know you will! You have NO regard for the law!
Well since drunk drivers kill so many people each year lets ban cars that can go over 25 mph. Everyone would scream that's unfair...your punishing us all for the actions of a few. Well that's exactly what they are trying to do! You ever wonder why we never had many mass killing cases in the past? In my opinion it's all the people on anti-depressant drugs these days. You've all seen the ads.They all warn people that if they have thoughts of suicide or depression to call their doctor. They should warn people that they can cause you to have thoughts of mass murder! Doctors treat these patients with all manor of drugs. Kid can't handle studying...they have a pill for that. Sad because your favorite soap opera got cancelled? They have a pill for that too. Got an ugly dog? They can help you with a pill. Honestly it's so common you'll hear people say oh boy so and so didn't take his meds today. We have all these mentally unstable people running around zonked out on pills. And sadly once in a while one flips out and we hear about it on the news. Gun control is not going to do one single thing to prevent these terrible crimes from happening. And anyone that truly believes it will is deluded. Hmmm, maybe you need a pill! Ask your doctor or pharmassist.
Andy you hit the nail right on the head. The biggest danger to Americans' health and well being is Big Pharma and their toads in the media, medicine and politics.
How many times do we have to tell the paranoid gun nuts that NOBODY is coming to take away their guns? There is NO government conspiracy! Are you really that delusional and paranoid? Please take some medication! And to think these unstable people have weapons! It makes all us sane responsible gun owners shake our heads! Gun nuts give gun ownership a black eye! Their delusions and paranoia is beyond belief!
Well that's a relief. But if that's true, why are we even having this discussion?
yep.... and obama won't f$%ck the middle class and raise our taxes.. you libtards are so freaking plain dumb, it's laughable and pathetic at the same time.. bbbaaaaaaaaaa says the sheep...
20 children and 6 adults were murdered at Sandy Hook elementary school. You can read about it on the Internet. Some people in the government feel the obligation to better protect our citizens. It's kind of like - bin Laden takes out the world trade center and kills 3,000 Americans. So, Obama took out bin Laden.
pat,
Are TEATARDS as dumb as a LIBTARD, they both end with TARD?
PS: I am an independent gun rights supporter that is tired of both LIBTARDS and TEATARD extremist
The framers of the Constitution were smart enough to realize that a well-armed citizenry would permit madmen to murder innocents by the handful. But they knew that an un-armed citizenry would permit madmen to murder innocents by the millions. They wisely chose to protect our country from the far greater evil.
Your arguments have the same statistical and factual validity as the USED CAR SALESMAN that asks you to "trust me". See worldwideweb dot assaultweaponsbanof2013 dot blogspot dot com. Read your fearful leader's own web site (a link is provided at the web site cited) and compare what she says about a US Department of Justice report with what it actually says: She is lying. The proposed legislation WILL treat semi-automatic pistols in the same way as Class III Firearms and explosives are treated. It will create an instant $200. (the fee will surely go up because of the number of firearms involved) YEARLY tax for a BATFE registration; make it mandatory for pistol, and semi-auto rifle and shotgun owners to surrender their 4th Amendment rights and allow BATFE to visit your home UNANNOUNCED at ANY TIME of the DAY OR NIGHT to check to make sure your weapon(s) is/are there; even persons with CONCEALED CARRY PERMITS, such as retired Law Officers, etc., will not be exempted and they will need to SUBMIT AN ITINERARY to the BATFE prior to going on any vacation, pleasure trip, business, etc. outside of their jurisdiction. The process takes 3-4 months now, but when TENS OF MILLIONS of Americans are added to the mix, it will take probably up to a year to get the itinerary approved. Anyway you look at it, the proposed law is AN INFRINGEMENT on the Bill of Rights on many different levels. What's needed is Mentally Ill Control, not weapons control: We already have 20,000 gun laws on the books!
I am the furthest thing from a paranoid gun nut, even though I do own firearms to include and M4. the fact is Se. Feinstein has been quoted as saying she wanted to take all guns out of the hands of private citizens. The latest to state such a thing is Andrew Cuomo, Governor of New York state, who stated he wants to enact an "assault weapons" ban to include confiscation of said firearms from current owners.
If you check the crime statistics for 2011 for the state of New York, out of nearly 800 murders only 5 were committed with a rifle of any type. It seems that the fear of so called "assault weapons" and wanting to confiscate them is a bit misguided.
What you fail to realize is once you allow them to take one type of weapon away from the public, they will come up with excuses to take more. Eventually all guns will be outlawed. That has worked very well so far for Chicago hasn't it?
Tony you don't own any guns & the only war you have fought in is the battle you have with all of the voices in your head.
Just as recently as a little over 1 month ago, right before Sandy Hook, all of you gun grabbers were telling all the pro-gun folks:
"You guys are crazy. Obama hasn't passed or even suggested 1 piece of anti-gun legislation since he has been president. If anything he has bee pro-gun because he lifted restrictions on carrying guns in national parks."
Yet all of the pro-gun folks knew Obummer would be coming after guns during his 2nd term since he no longer had to worry about reelection.
Now you gun grabbers are telling pro-gun folks:
"You guys are crazy. Obama only wants reasonable gun control laws. He isn't going to take your guns."
No, you gun grabbers are the crazy ones if you think that 100 million gun owners are just going to give up their rights & their firearms without a fight.
You gun grabbers also try to play both sides of the coin. You tell pro-gun people:
"You gun nuts are insane. You don't need a gun to protect yourself. The world isn't as dangerous as you think it is. No bad guy is out to get you."
Then in the same breath you gun grabbers say:
"We need to restrict/ban guns from you gun nuts because you are making society so unsafe & dangerous with all of your guns."
Sorry, but you gun grabbing busy bodies, who can't seem to mind your own business, can't have it both ways.
So to all of you gun grabbers I say piss off, mind your own business, & keep your nose out of mine.
The criminal scumbags were the people who killed Randy Weaver's wife, kid and dog as shown by the not guilty verdict at Randy's trial and the million dollar settlement paid by the Feds to Mr. Weaver. The criminal scumbags at WACO were the ATF leadership that instead of arresting Koresh when he went into town to buy a pack of smokes decided to stage a media extravaganza designed to pry more tax money from congress resulting in 4 dead ATF agents and the incineration of more than 20 babies.
I love how the libtard media uses yet another diversion protecting king o'douchebag in the white house!!! Anyone else notice how this complete lying sack of dog sh!t lied about screwing the middle class and are taxes went up while he is planning his party????? does anyone realize what an a$$hole lying POS this POS f@#%tard is????? nope...his sheep keep their head down and keep paying... POS!!!!!!!!!
Obama want's to take our guns away...but...at the same time...he passes a bill to have SS protection for the rest of his life....what a POS we have in the WH....you liberals are nothing but lying hipocrites.....and Obama is the biggest liar of all....
Let Texas keep weapons that arent for hunting or basic home defense in officially licensed armories. stop this screwy insanity. Officially licensed assault weapon shooting ranges are'nt out of the question. Let them keep Abrahms tanks there too why not. Keep weapons not for hunting or home defense against non organized armies away from general populace.
@ Mike
Do you even know the difference between a black plastic/metal, detachable magazine fed semi-automatic AR-15 & a wooden stocked, detachable magazine fed semi-automatic hunting rifle?
I'll give you a hint, there isn't any difference other than the way they look.
BTW, the 2nd Amendment had nothing to do with hunting or personal protection. You should try reading it sometime.
Some of the commentators are so lacking in factual arguments that they toss insults and calumnies at the argument. A quick check with Google will disclose that it was the NRA who lobbied and obtained passage of legislation barring clinically insane folks and convicted felons from legitimately owning firearms. The NRA simply acts as an advocate for us (I joined in late December 2012) in ensuring that the 2nd Amendment is not obliterated by a few maniacs intent on taking human lives and restricting all our freedoms. US Department of Justice Reports DO NOT support another "Assault Weapons" (sic) ban. To see for yourselves you anti-gun nuts will have to do something short of a miracle: Open your eyes, READ what researchers have found out through years of research crime and criminals, and ACCEPT their findings. No small feat for small, hysterical minds governed by emotion rather than logic. Go to the WorldWideWeb dot assaultweaponsbanof2013 dot blogspot dot com. While you are there, compare what your fearful leader, Senator Dianne Feinstein, says on her web site about a particular report, and compare what the actual report says- images of pages of the report are included on the web site to which you are being referred. Don't like guns? Don't have one!
This might be a little complicated but try to stay with me. We have no problem with people buying guns to shoot themselves. Or even other gun lovers. It's the only form of natural selection we have left. But, it's a problem when they shoot people or kids that are not part of our gun culture.
To Jim S. You try to stay with me, junior. Even in the US Army, we had people like Lieutenant Calley, and many others like him who never got caught, who murdered over 100+ innocent civilians, women, children, old people. Recently, we've seen another case of yet another US Army member who murdered 14 innocent civilians are well. But, these ARE ISOLATED CASES among the millions of people who have served honorably in the US ARMY and other service branches. Using your logic and arguments, we should immediately BAN all FULL AUTO AND SEMI-AUTO firearms use by US service members because ISOLATED MASSACRES do take place. You don't predicate laws and rights based on what a few psychotic murderers have done, but based on what the overwhelming majority of the 70-80 MILLION firearms owners have done/do. On May 18, 1927, in Bath, Michigan, a member of their School Board murdered THIRTY-EIGHT (38) ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS and 4 ADULTS WITH DYNAMITE. Since then, laws for possession of dynamite have become more severe. On April 19, 1995, Tim McVeigh crafted a bomb out of heating oil and fertilizer and murdered 168 people including 17 kids. You can make bombs out of anything, even BAKING FLOUR. Yesterday, some kid went into a school with A SHOTGUN. If you keep banning every weapon that is misused by psychos, you wind up with NO WEAPONS in the hands of The People. That's what you people want. BTW, don't stereotype me. I'm for gay rights and abortion rights. I AM A TRUE LIBERAL. I seek to EXPAND OUR RIGHTS, NOT ENCROACH THEM the way you people want. worldwideweb dot assaultweaponsbanof2013 dot blogspot dot com. But I know folks like you won' visit. You don't want to be confused with facts and the truth.
Johntho - You're so concerned about the 20 children killed. How about the 1.2 Million that were aborted in 2012. You could get a lot more bang for the buck if you went after abortion. (Pun intended!!)
John – we know the right wing crazies are obsessed with the unborn. We hope that someday, they will start caring about the already born.
How stupid do you have to be to think that it's only libs that get abortions?
Look up and read an old sci-fi short story called "The Marching Moron", 'nff said!
JimS-459172 said:
This might be a little complicated but try to stay with me. We have no problem with people buying guns to shoot themselves. Or even other gun lovers. It's the only form of natural selection we have left. But, it's a problem when they shoot people or kids that are not part of our gun culture.
How stupid do you have to be to think that it's only libs that get abortions?
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About as stupid as you have to be to believe all gun owners are wackos out to kill everyone they come in contact with.
I suppose abortion could also be considered a form of natural selection. I cannot provide you with any names of aborted babies besides Jane and John Doe, because people do not give the fetus a name before aborting it for fear of guilt and shame that would come with admitting it was a living thing. I don't care if you have an abortion or not, but please try to use some logic in your arguments instead of painting with such a wide brush of fear.
Oh, and by the way, anti-gun nuts, I AM A LIBERAL. i voted for President Barack Obama as an independent, registered voter. My liberality extends to LIBERALLY interpreting the U.S. Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights to the best advantage of The People- not the career political hacks we have, in both parties, entrenched in Washington D.C. I am also a DISABLED VETERAN and I took my oath "to Protect, Preserve and Defend the Constitution of the United States" very seriously. Get to know what your own champions think. Even Professor Lawrence J. Tribe, PhD, agrees that the 2nd Amendment is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT and not a right for the State (meaning the government) to have armed armies and militias. The enlisted reserves and the national guard ARE the government. The 2nd Amendment was drafted to protect The People's right to own firearms (not for hunting and target shooting) from what the Founders feared might become a highly powerful, centralized and unresponsive government. They are the "Emergency Break" of last resort for The People in case a U.S. President would pull a "Morsi". The Founders also did not mean that The People should have arms INFERIOR to what any standing Army or government militia was equipped with, but THE SAME IDENTICAL SORT OF ARMS that a standing Army or government militia was equipped with. Learn your country's history and what has happened in the very countries you cite that have abolished or highly restricted firearms' ownership: The Crime Rates have surpassed the US's Crime Rate! That report is also included at worldwideweb dot assaultweaponsbanof2013 dot blogspot dot com. Read. Learn. Think. Move your lips if you must!
More people die from bathtubs a year than from so-called "assault" weapons. More murders are committed with knives than from long arms.
Lots of people die every year from cancer. The we are looking for a cure for that too.
When you shoot at law enforcement officers you deserve too die! Only a scumbag wold defend criminal lowlife. Might be one of those inbred militia retards. They are the scum of the earth thinking they are Rambo and that the Government is coming to get them! Mentally Ill Rambo whack jobs!
The Gestapo were "law enforcement officers"
Ever notice many of these gun nuts are anti-law enforcement? They have zero credence. And much delusion and paranoia.
Yes, I understand you are on expert on delusion & paranoia since you suffer from both.
"Theory about tonywarvet"
Seems odd tony continues to bash thing concerning guns. Unfortunately when some people get a dishonorable discharge they will call themselves veterans which would be the case with this douche's bag if he were able to pass the mental exam.
They can also lose the right to carry guns/arms which would explain why he doesn't want anyone else to have access to them. In other words the odds are he is just a spoiled little $hithead that doesn't want anyone to have more toys than him.
Sorry tony, forgot one thing
YA JACKA$$