Well at least all the Mexican cartel drug dealers can legally drive when they are doing their driveby shootings in the Windy City.

Jeez, don't get your panties all in a twist. It is a temporary measure and if it saves lives and it does encourage the undocumented to proceed further into becoming a legal citizen, what's the problem? it also generates much needed revenue. One other thing, I didn't see the vote count, but in the Ill. House there are 64 D and 54 R, so I would imagine this could have been a bi-partisan effort.

There has been a movement in many states toward legalizing driving for illegal immigrants. There are great benefits.

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Kudos to these state legislators.

I hope to heavens that these illegal immigrants are not given voter registration applications. Those should be for U.S. citizens only -- and that is a requirement in Ill law. What are the controls to prevent such a travesty?

So I guess the law if passed and signed would through Group C out for all Ill. citizens. It should be equal especially for those who are legal U. S. citizens.

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/publications/pdf_publications/dsd_x173.pdf

Hey Pigotry, could you please list a few of those "great benefits" for me. I am having a hard time following how $20 per driver is going to help a state get out of the hole. Thanks.

Voter registration applications should be given to anyone, everyone.
It is the job of the Board of Elections to determine if then applications are valid. There is a process in place to determine is the applicant qualifies.

Talk to the Hand

More likely to get it deeper but then the Illinois folk love higher taxes so they can take care of their illegals.

It is the job of the Board of Elections to determine if then applications are valid. There is a process in place to determine is the applicant qualifies.

And if they investigate the applicants I am sure you will give the Board your full support?

Motor Voter

The Secretary of State's office does not register people to vote. It does, however, provide voter registration applications, which are forwarded to local election authorities for processing. When applying for or renewing your driver's license at a Driver Services facility, you will be asked if you want to register to vote. If you wish to register to vote at that time, you will be given a voter registration application form to sign, along with a receipt. You must retain the receipt until you receive your voter card from your local election authority. If you do not receive your voter registration card within 30 days, contact the local election authority listed on your receipt. To be eligible to register to vote, you must:

• Be a U.S. citizen;
• Not be convicted of an offense and in jail;
• Be at least age 18 on or before the next election;
• Not claim the right to vote anywhere else; and
• Live in your election precinct at least 30 days prior to the next election.

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/drivers/motorvoter.html

I would hope temp illegal licenses applicants would not even be asked. Dennis your position is not right.

Hey, Talk to ... youself (comment #1.6 by Bite the Hand ... that feeds you)

just read comments #1.2 by AlaskaGirl-759554

or google....it's good to have questions, and it's good when you want to learn. There is always hope.

AMERICANS: Demand the release of the names and addresses of all illegal aliens who apply for licenses.

Heck yeah a cars more dangerous than a gun anyday especially when they're talking on their Obama phones so I want to know where they live.

Hey Pigotry, I guess I will have to google it cause 1.2 didn't help a bit. I don't know about Illinois but here in NC you don't have to have insurance to have a license. The car does so you can register it and drive it. No insurance, no license plate on the back bumper. So how would a license to drive "save lives"?

And as I asked below, what path to legalization don't they have now that a driver license is going to make such great strides?

No wonder Illinios is a death spiral state passing @!$%# like this......more takers than makers already and get ready for more takers coming for their DL.

republicans can't you see the reason that their doing this. Its to get all the illegals to go to Illinois. Than when all the illegals go to Illinois they will be caught and deported. That saves money because when they go to get a D.L. the immigration agents will be their to get them. Instead of have costly investigations the illegals come to the immigration agents. Whats wrong with that idea? republicans be a little more creative your all to tight you all need to relax and have some fun. You all seem to know where the free stuff is. (cause I don't) Go and get you some of that free stuff and SLACK you might find SLACK time is ok. republicans remember to tell me where the free stuff is ok.

The House is full of friggin idiots. Guys, go home, I don't need laws like these. Illegal aliens will be running for congress next.

AlaskaGirl-759554

Jeez, don't get your panties all in a twist. It is a temporary measure and if it saves lives and it does encourage the undocumented to proceed further into becoming a legal citizen,

What are you talking about, they are legal citizens from their own country. If you are talking about illegal immigrants became American citizens, you got to be kidding, they do not deserve such a privilege, working permit is all they need to feed their families. Only immigrants who come legally respecting the law can have it , illegals do not deserve it.

@Ben, it doesn't matter if voter registration applications are given out in Illinois. It's not like it's going to change the outcome of their elections. They have one of the highest voting participation of dead people in the country already.

Well that's just great!!

Hope they drive over to Fiesty's house first so she can take them in and let them stay in her basement.

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Trailers don't have basements. Bev lives in the crawl space under Fisty's trailer.

Look on the bright side

...this will make it easier to find them and DEPORT THEM

Ben, I have been a registered voter since I was old enough to vote, but have never had a voter registration card. Not all states give them out.

"New Mexico and Washington passed similar laws that White and Grau said have seen traffic accidents involving uninsured drivers plummet."

That could be a misleading statement. Illegal immigrants cannot get insurance because they cannot get a license to drive. While giving them licenses may allow some of them to get insurance, it's almost certain that allowing far more illegal immigrants to drive will INCREASE the actual number of accidents they are involved in.

If these people are undocumented, what would be their incentive to apply for a license? If they cause or are in an accident now, they can just walk away. Once they are documented, there would be charges. I see no reason why they would even bother.

Awesome, personally I love when drunk, undocumented, uninsured immigrants crash into me. Guess now that they can get a driver's license they wont be undocumented anymore. Maybe it will make it easier for them to vote.

AnaBanana . . .

I realize that Republicans want to keep them in the dark because undocumented immigrants are the new slaves

Half correct. The other new slaves that the GOP and their "big business" strategies encourage are those that work for minimum wage, without benefits that qualify for food stamps (just think any bix box chain). Those are the jobs that the GOP wants to foster on all of the new slaves.

What path to citizenship don't they have now Ana?

OBAMA Hates Americans - no, it's akin to the Amnesty program that Ronald Reagan enacted as President that gave amnesty to the largest group of illegals ever!

Obama Hates American,

Oh yes Reagan did give immunity to what you lovingly refer to as "squatters". Trying to rewrite Reagan's legacy again?

Sure as hell wasn't 12-15 million. I didn't care for it when he did it either. You livs kill me. You still want to justify the present with the past. I thought you all were progressives and the way to move was "forward"?

Talk to the Hand

What path to citizenship don't they have now Ana?

they don't want a path...they want a free ride...and all the benefits they can steal from American taxpayers and law-abiding legal immigrants

Viva La Raza

Bringing up the occasional crime does not make it a wave. You know, as do all law enforcement, that illegals avoid criminal activity because they don't want to be kicked out. You also know, that we are much more effective killing our own citizens than anyone coming into this country illegally. Even Al Qaeda can't beat us at killing our own.

Bringing up the occasional crime does not make it a wave. You know, as do all law enforcement, that illegals avoid criminal activity because they don't want to be kicked out. You also know, that we are much more effective killing our own citizens than anyone coming into this country illegally. Even Al Qaeda can't beat us at killing our own.

Yeah..this is an isolated incident...NOT

For years, large numbers of illegal immigrants have filled out payroll forms using their real names but stolen Social Security numbers. However, as electronic employment verification systems such as E-Verify become more common, the use of fake numbers is increasingly difficult. Now prosecutors worry that more people will try to fool the systems by assuming full identities rather than stealing the numbers alone.

Federal Trade Commission statistics show that Americans reported more than 279,000 instances of identity theft in 2011, up from 251,100 a year earlier. While it is unclear how many of those cases involve total identity theft, one possible indicator is the number of identity theft complaints that involve more than one type of identity theft -- 13 percent last year, compared with 12 percent a year earlier.

Nationwide, employment-related fraud accounted for 8 percent of identity theft complaints last year. But in states with large immigrant populations, employment-related identity fraud was much higher: 25 percent in Arizona, 15 percent in Texas, 16 percent in New Mexico, 12 percent in California.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57537850/total-identity-theft-growing-authorities-fear/

I mean how do 12 million live here illegally if not by working illegally or by falsely claiming welfare? How many have stolen SS numbers to stay in this country? This story is only the tip of the ice berg.

Been there in CA with that scenario of no insurance by the other driver Ursula.

Haven't we all?

Where in the law does it require the illegals to have insurance?

Right here:

"Under the plan, drivers would get three-year licenses, called Temporary Visitor Driver’s Licenses, but would be required to take a driver's education class and carry car insurance.

Well, I guess they'll have "to go to the General." :-) and save some time. How in the blazes could they afford the premiums?

Ben, What makes you think illegal aliens don't work?

Layton, I say it's because Ben stereotypes. You know, Ben, illegals are not all hispanic. So many harp on about the mexicans, but there are plenty of others whose Visas have expired who are still living here and mooching off the system, but I never hear anyone griping about them. There seems to be nothing to satisfy a certain party, no middle of the road for you guys, no sireeee. Wouldn't you at least rather that if in an accident the undocumented will be covered by insurance and that the person hit(if that's the case) won't be up @!$%# creek if they maybe don't carry "Uninsured motorist" protection(not quite sure why one wouldn't though)? Again, at the least, there is evidence that it will save lives, and it brings in more revenue to the state. I don't see this as a bad thing.

Layton ben thinks anyone who doesn't agree with doesn't work.

Alaska Girl, your right, not all illegal immigrants are Hispanic. Only 80% or roughly 9 million. There is no evidence that licensing will save lives. Bad drivers are bad drivers whether or not they have a license. As far as insurance they will do the same thing in Ill. that they do here in AZ. They apply for insurance, go on a monthly pay plan, then quit paying after the first month. Insurance companies seldom if ever let the state licensing department know when insurance has lapsed.

What really bothers me is they are not requiring mandatory finger printing. This would eliminate any felons but it was eliminated as "too costly".

For all of you who don't have any idea of how the illegal immigrant issue impacts communities I invite you to move to AZ and learn first hand. I suggest you buy a house in west Phoenix where people sit on the floor at night so they won't be hit by a stray bullet from a drive by shooting.

Now, why would I be stupid enough to buy a house in west Phoenix when you have just told me that I will have to sit on the floor to avoid stray bullets! Besides, I absolutely hate the heat! I don't know what the law stipulates in Illinois in regards to the insurance issue, but I would hope that there are provisions and restrictions so that an undocumented will have to either buy a certain amount of insurance up front, none of this monthly payment plan crap, in order to be eligible for the drivers license. By the way, I am sure there are plenty of white folk who play that game in states where insurance is required, too.

I agree that mandatory finger printing should have been part of the law. They could have added it to the cost of licensing for illegals.

Anyway, our immigration problem is a very huge and complex issue and neither side of the aisle is going to be happy what the other does, but we have to do things in order to chip away at this problem. For those living in border states, it is easy to sit and write out your complaints, but if you want to be heard you(I mean in general) must speak up and go to city council meetings, talk to your leaders, etc.

@Layton -- You just agreed with AnaBanana that this is cheap labor. I didn't say they don't work. I just asked how they could afford the premiums. Slaves as you said.

Ben,

I did agree with Ana that there are a whole bunch of people who work hard at their jobs that are underpaid. I was responding to your post about how they could afford the premiums, and truth be told, how can many afford the premiums be they here legally or illegally? Here in my State, your insurance card is checked with your license and registration when pulled over. My question was just that to you, a question.

Thank you for the response.

Alaska - People in Arizona have spoken. But then the federal government came in and said that they couldn't do anything to protect genuine citizens because these illegals somehow 'have rights'.

I'd like to add -- vote. Tell me they thought about that.

Now that's an interesting thought...but illegal immigrants don't have 2nd amendment rights, do they?

Plus, I'm confused about how many people here illegally would step up to the plate and say so...just to get a license and buy insurance.

Well supposedly it is a three year "temporary" license and it hopefully will have some identifying markings or labels of some kind to avoid the guns and the vote. It is Illinois though.

Hey guys, I was in the States for 2 years under a working J1-Visa and when I tested my CA license at a gun show in Texas there was no problem ... no I did not buy a gun, just tested the ease of it.

Hey guys, I was in the States for 2 years under a working J1-Visa and when I tested my CA license at a gun show in Texas there was no problem ... no I did not buy a gun, just tested the ease of it.

You were in the country legally unless your visa expired. Why would that be recorded on a drivers license? Or are you proposing that the DL of visa holders should expire on the same date as their visa? Great idea I like it!!

bcwc,

Why didn't you test it in California?

Alan,

Yes it should expire at the same time, but the world is not sanely organized.

thetotas

Simply because I was driving through Amarillo at the time ... remarkable town ... steakhouse, church, gun shop, steakhouse, church, gun shop .... never ending.

BCWC: One more reason to close that damn gun show loophole. That has got to be the most moronic and irresponsible law on the books.

BCWC - are you in the US legally now? If not go home. If you are you can complain about how we do things when you become a citizen.

I live in Texas, every fire arm I ever bought (except one) has been at a gun show, I've had to fill out paperwork every single time, you don't just go in pick a gun and hand someone cash (that includes private dealers)

Bull: The Illegals will work for $4.00 an hour--also getting benefits-- $113,000,000,000.00--This years cost illegal immigration----Get your facts before posting

GodBlessAmerica-3459608

This is a move in the right direction....

• As far as I am concerned, this is a move toward the 2nd American Civil War, the breakup of our union, or both.

With benefits that we pay for. Time to call up the militia people.

So IF and I did say IF an illegal gets a drivers license and IF he/she does not get insurance and gets in an accident with a US citizen, then that law abiding citizen through no fault of their own is SOL?