I agree, black. I like Harry Reid but sometimes he goes just a little too far. I understand he is passionate and trying to make a point, but to compare what happened with Katrina, which was despicable on so many levels, to what happened in the Northeast is not right. Each region sustained horrific damages, including lives. Having said that, I think it is also despicable that it has taken two months to even get a resolution on getting monies to the communities affected in the Northeast when aid came to the victims of Katrina in a matter of less than two weeks. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

@noncoms

When that statement in question defies all common knowledge on the topic, then YES, the politician uttering his nonsense needs to be called on it and ridiculed.

I don't care which party they belong to, I do not tolerate so-called educated men, while holding a public office, to make such grossly false statements, then turn around and try to defend their position.

It's not a matter of opinion, either. By every statistical and scientific measure we have, Sandy, as devastating as it was, was not nearly as devastating as Katrina. Katrina caused a lot more damage over a larger area, and many more lives were lost as a result of that storm.

They are certainly comparable, but to say that Sandy was worse, requires one to be willfully ignorant of what happened during and after Katrina. I live one the east coast hit by Sandy, and I can say that Katrina still tops it.

When disaster strikes we all want the government to help out. Who knows what will happen after the next round of hurricanes or tornadoes blow through some red states? It is pretty goddamn sad that this country has been reduced to this. If we can't lend helping hands to those facing natural disasters then we SUCK. Hope everyone is proud.

All I can say is god forbid if a republican commented that Sandy was worse than Katrina. It would be the worst thing anyone has ever heard. EVER.

I lived through the storm and was foruntate to not suffer like many at the shore or in New York. I also feel bad for those who are still dealing with lost homes, insurance and FEMA. But theres really no comparison to the devastation of Katrina.

Amanda

The movie " Day After Tomorrow " was based on the Halloween storm, which was a NOR-Easter. It later became a hurricane off the coast of Canada. It was the first one they ever saw let alone had. The three storms came together over N.Y. and Long Island. I know because I was living along the South Shore of Long Island at that time.

Bob - I think you mean the movie "The Perfect Storm." The "Day After Tomorrow" was a silly movie about global warming that probably did more to hurt the scientific community than help it.

noncoms

I stand corrected !!

You are correct ( I had a brain cramp when I named that movie ).

bob, noncoms:

'The Perfect Storm' was two weather fronts and a hurricane.

So yes, you're right, I had the movie reference wrong. Thank you for the correction. Then in that light, Sandy set a new standard in the formation of and damage relative to, a superstorm.

The movie "Day After Tomorrow" was a joke. Where's the Ice Age? Manny and Sid had a more scientifically literate story.

It is how you HANDLE the disasters that matters.

Rhetoric doesn't help.

We've got a bad situation

FIX IT.

Quibbling is a waste of time.

Rick-3416939

Reid cared enough for the victims of Sandy to allow the bill to be stuffed with pork.

Not exactly pork. Relief for several other disasters was also contained in this bill.

Reid was wrong here. A simple apology to the people of Louisiana and Mississippi (not to that pimp Vitter) is in order. But Katrina did damage in other places as well including Florida as it looped back around. Those damage figures likely also include the Carribbean.

A terrible time that was, my girlfriends family lost their homes and possessions to Ivan in September '04 and when Katrina arrived in August of '05 they were all but forgotten. To this day they freak out at any sign of tropical weather. And they are not alone, PTSD is very common for these victims.

Vitter would know all about stupid, since he wrote the book on it. Oh, and he also knows a couple of fast ladies from the red light district.

TomasGrande

I was wondering the same thing myself. I was sure he was the senator involved in the DC madame scandal. And who is he to call anyone an idiot?

Reid proved again what an IDIOT he is and that he should have been long ago committed to a mental sanatorium for the insane.

What an bone-chilling jerk making such a statement.

@Tomas that is a slippery slope argument. Unfortunately for the American People there are more than enough Dems and Reps whose moral conduct is less than good. As one of my associates tried to defend Bill Clinton by saying "men in power need their outlets for stress". Not that I agree, I find it all disgusting.

Rick-3416939

Reid cared enough for the victims of Sandy to allow the bill to be stuffed with pork.

Boehner did not decide NOT to vote on the Sandy bill because of "pork." Congress historically has responded to natural disasters by promptly funding relief efforts but instead Boehner decided to adjourn.

Why are you writing silly things? Do you really want to look this ignorant?

ksw62118

I find it all disgusting.

Agreed.

I just like pointing out the hypocrisy.

And getting in a joke now and then.

Salud

chuck-2111043

We are still in a Civil war. The North won the first War. But the South never gave up, they just changed tactic's. We need to think about it. How many Presidents were from the south. When they are elected, the money seems to flow freely to the south. Texas most of all. The South wants this country to fail, Just because we elected a black man. S. Carolina is starting trouble again, along with Tx, LA, Mis, AL, GA,AZ

Have lived in the Deep South most of my life. I have to say (sadly) that your analysis is not that far off. The idea that we would move past the racism of post-Civil War Times and into the 60's was a noble cause and many people sacrificed a lot to get some semblance of equality. But the world does not change in a generation or two and the prejudice down here is deep seated. I think it says enough that South Carolina just put Tim Scott in the Senate and although he is black he does not represent his own community.

But I don't think the Democrats have a prayer of retaking the House in '14 or for some time beyond. The gerry-mandering the GOP did at state levels here has brought some pretty horrific types to Washington and it will likely keep them there. Their desire is to kill the federal government and we have seen the opening salvo's. They simply do not wish for America to succeed unless they are in power. They have shed the term "compassionate conservative" because public misery is essential to their objectives. There is no longer any pretense.

Like most Republicans, Vitter is full of hate, resentment and paranoia, and is not well educated. What a pity that a very needy state like Louisiana has such an unimpressive, unqualified person representing its people.

jim-1455434

Is he now telling us that FEMA failed ?

I am going to give you a job but will give you no funds to perform this job and then tell you YOU FAILED because you didn't do it. That's what you are trying to imply and that's just silly.

No one is saying that FEMA failed - which is your made up propaganda. What everyone is criticizing is that the House failed to fund the relief efforts - which is a FACT. What part of that are you having a hard time understanding?

If one chooses to live next to the ocean then the weather threats are known prior to one settling there. I gave to the Hurrican Sandy and Katrina relief funds. I am just not sure how these funds were distributed, if at all. People who live near/next to coastlines know what can happen. Just like people who live in the mountains with all of the drought and wildfires. You cannot control weather nor the destruction it can bring. I cannot afford to contribute to every natural disaster that comes along. I wish I could but I can't. If I were a victim I would learn from these disasters and choose not to rebuild in vulnerable areas and the coastlines are certainly in the path of future natural disasters.

When is this nonsense going to stop? Name calling, one-upmanship, pointless bickering, obstructionism, birtherism, comparing apples and oranges, threatening, vacationing while on a fiscal cliff--and it's coming from people who are supposed to be representing their constituents. I want no part of either party. They are acting like little school kids without a teacher on the playground. They bully one another, fight, pull apart, and do everything that selfish little monsters do. I would really appreciate some maturity from our elected congress people. This is getting old really fast.

Congress: Grow up and get to work. After you voted yourselves a RAISE in the face of the working poor, you'd better start earning those big bucks. And name calling and fighting doesn't earn you a darned thing except my loss of respect and loss of my vote.

If Congress really wants to know what the biggest natural disaster this country faces, all they need do is look in the mirror.

Really, "shipwrecked"? The world in subjected to the image of Vitter in diapers with a prostitute and you give him a free pass? Reid, in his passion for getting aid to the victims of a natural disaster, mis-speaks and you have him committed...Vitter publicly humiliates his family, the Republican party and the US Senate and you, "shipwrecked" and the never ending parade of stupid hypocrisy that is your "tea" party think that is perfectly OK. Do you realize what that says about you?

Do you have any clue???

The sandy bill has more pork than the bacon isle at the supper market.

For all the folks complaining about Sandy bill pork, what would some of those specifics be...or are you just restating GOP talking points?

jim-1455434

Harry Reid is simply an a$$hole ! First of all, former President Bush was loudly criticized for not having FEMA ready for the Katrina task. Now, Harry Reid says relief to the South was effected within a few days

You must have a point, jim. I just don't know what it is.

First, Katrina relief WAS quickly authorized. Second, Bush, Brownie and the FEMA administration DID bungle the relief effort. Having the money available and doing a good job of administering the relief are obviously two different things.

Finally, calling Harry Reid an @!$%# does not identify you as someone with an opinion worth sharing.

For the record, "michigan northerner"...Are you really aligning yourself with a man that pays prostitutes to put him in diapers?

I just want it to be perfectly clear where your sense of decency and morality lies. If politics makes for strange bedfellows, "michigan", you'd better be getting yourself a crib and a credit card.

so the lefties here are again blaming republicans but it is worth asking why it took harry so long to get a bill brought forward in the senate. if you look it took him about 6 weeks and took the republicans about 4 days to send an alternative to the senate which did not include extraneous funding for non-sandy related activity. the non-sandy stuff needs to be added to the budget that reid will present for consideration as is his duty as the senate leader.

@shocked what actually are you saying? my comment was about Reid. you must be one of them occupy liberal hypocrites i guess. what affiliation would i have with vitter.

While I am not defending Senator Reid's poor choice of words, I most certainly can understand the anger and frustration that led to it. The GOP has dragged its feet in passing disaster relief for the Hurricane Sandy victims. I'd remind Senator David Vitter that GOP Governor Chris Christie didn't mince words with his criticism of the GOP House Majority over the republican's lack of action; in addition, others have made similar comments regarding diaster relief provided in southern states yet the GOP obstructs relief for blue states.

Pigotry

an idiot to one may be a sage to others.

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. To an idiot, even a sage looks like an idiot; it all depends on perspective.

I agree 100%. Reid's comments are indefensible.

At which time, Harry Reid reminded David Vitter that he's David Vitter, a ridiculous hypocrite who'd be run out of the public eye if he'd been a Democrat, and that his opinions were worthless, and Vitter promptly... didn't shut his mouth like a person with any shame would do.

"Sadly, Harry Reid has again revealed himself to be an idiot, this time gravely insulting Gulf Coast residents," Vitter Tweeted, linking to a story in the New Orleans Times-Picayune.

Amen. Only an idiot would pit the the catastrophe of one set of Americans against the catastrophe of another set. This is the divisiveness I see daily from this group though. Just a couple days ago Nancy Pelosi said that Republicans were "Anti government" and insinuated that they are some sort of treasonous rebels for not rubber stamping a rise in the $16+ trillion debt limit. So congress can't even question the wisdom of going more than $16 trillion dollars into debt without being labeled as "anti-government traitors"? At some point, folks, we are going to settle up. It will either be on our terms or the terms of our creditors. But the longer we wait, the worse it will get.

I would not call Reid an Idiot...more like uninformed by the comment embedded in his speech that I have cut and pasted here.

"We have to meet the needs of the American people when an act of God occurs."

Act of God is a phrase concocted by insurance companies to place the blame for natural disaster on a God of Love who has nothing to do with storms that kill people. There is another force at work who wants to destroy and kill but he is not God. Not to mention the daily display of selfishness by humans toward themselves and others. These are the most corrosive lies in the world...those of blaming a loving God and holding on to unbelievable selfishness by most of humanity. Reid and the Congress display their selfishness every day for the world to see and yet no one calls them on it...interesting.

reid farted, and vittner is very good at braying. bfd. they spent all this energy on that instead of doing their jobs? creating soundbytes is not the business at hand, and it should not be done at our expense. most civil people can politely ignore a fart instead of drawing the attention to it. reid admitted formally to his error, but it has since gone on and on. who is 'they' anyway?

Of course Reid is an idiot, but he's the Democrat's idiot. Like Nevada is America's idiot for electing Reid time and time again.

No news here, knew it all along.

"michigan"...In case you hadn't noticed, the article being commented on is about Vitter calling Reid an idiot. In this context, it is perfectly appropriate to say that you are in agreement with Vitter...a man that just so happens to play Baby Huey with prostitutes.

You refuse to denounce Vitter and, per your post, you are in agreement with him. You can make up whatever you want about me, but it is not a stretch to say that, by aligning yourself with Vitter, you make a very bold statement regarding your lack of decency and morality.

Thank you for clearing up what kind of a person you and your teabagger buddies are.

You all do realize our tax dollars are being spent there right now correct? They have been since day one.

A friend of mine who works for the federal parks service here in Michigan was called up for two weeks to help with the clean up. Lots of federal workers were called up to help. He said the waste and mismanagement going on there right now is staggering. Does that surprise anyone?

and the loudest one to make the most noise will get most of the money. congress 101. make a change and vote anyone out that's been in office more than 2 terms

billybob said:

so the lefties here are again blaming republicans but it is worth asking why it took harry so long to get a bill brought forward in the senate. if you look it took him about 6 weeks and took the republicans about 4 days to send an alternative to the senate which did not include extraneous funding for non-sandy related activity. the non-sandy stuff needs to be added to the budget that reid will present for consideration as is his duty as the senate leader.

This WAS the budget! Did you check out the link I posted above??

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1eas/pdf/BILLS-112hr1eas.pdf

HR1, as originally passed by the House, was not a 'Sandy Relief bill' it was originally for allocating budget/funds for all Departments of the Federal Government. The opening paragraph of HR1 says:

In the Senate of the United States, December 28, 2012. Resolved, That the bill from the House of Representatives (H.R. 1) entitled ‘‘An Act making appropriations for the Department of Defense and the other Departments and Agencies of the Government for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2011, and for all other purposes.’’, do pass with the following AMENDMENTS....

The original version of HR1 had no funds allocated for disaster relief. The Senate made some changes, added amendments to the original bill that would authorize spending on disaster relief for EVERYONE AFFECTED BY A DISASTER IN 2012 and sent it back to the House on Dec 28.

The bill that was voted on on Friday was simply extending the funds that the federal government needed to continue payouts to affected citizens under the National Flood Insurance Policy. The budget bill that allocated other disaster relief funds is still on the table and has not been called to a vote by Speaker Boehner despite the fact that it had Senate approval and majority House approval(and presidential approval as well.)

PLEASE GO READ THIS THING FOR YOURSELF BEFORE YOU CALL IT PORK!!!!

DeD Grimely:

Are you are saying that Ried is not a hypocrite?

Hey HILLJACK (cradlemountain)! You will find you are incorrect regarding education of Rebublicans. Republicans have a higher percentage with advanced degrees than Demos, a higher percentage with college degrees, and a much lower percentage of high school dropouts than Demos. Research the demographics before making such an assinine statement.

Dingy Harry is a fool and will never let a good crisis go to waste where he can critisize a Republican. He is as much to blame for any delays as anyone but would never take responsibility. I guess it's the liberal way!! No budget from this idiot for over 4 yrs and he bitches about the Repubs!!!

George Bush was our countries worst disaster. He cost us more money and destruction on the planet than 10,000 Class 5 Hurricanes ever will.

@shockedanddisgusted no political affiliation here. Why are liberals always talking about Nuts hanging in there face ?

Bart...$800,000 to AMTrack....is that specificate enough for you.....monies also going to Homeland Security (which isn't doing crap except building another federal suck the money up agency) repairing a Museum roof (and why can't the Smithonian pay for fixing it's own roof??? They make folks pay to get in so don't they put a portion away for repairs???. There were several other porkers attached as well. If you think this is all made up Bart, maybe you should do a little more listening and learning instead of running nothing but your lips. Viva Revolution!!!

Amanda-2017567

So adding funds to the Dept of Agriculture for the damage done to AK fishery equipment from debris washing up from the Japan tsunami is not pork. The damage done to gulf-coast fisheries is not 'pork'as they were damaged by Hurricane Issac earlier this year before Sandy.

Adding those things to an EMERGENCY RELIEF bill that everyone wants to be rushed through post-haste in the middle of the night MOST CERTAINLY IS PORK!!!

ANY SPENDING that is not needed immediately for the relief of those affected should be put into a separate bill and PROPERLY DEBATED AND SCRUTINIZED!! There is NO GOOD REASON to rush through money that will not be spent for months; some of that 60 billion won't even be spent THIS YEAR. So why don't those things need to be discussed and vetted?? People who are bitching about this bill being delayed have NO GROUND to EVER bitch about wasteful government spending EVER again!

It's a spot on comment. Reid is a moron with a bad case of dementia.

You can't just throw money in willy-nilly without having your kick-backs or percentage of the take established first... That's why our illustrious Suthun Republicans needed moa time to "legislate"... And get mo monies sent Sath due to the Stowam in the Nowath...

They need their heads beaten against the floor so hard it leaves... you guessed it! Ear-Marks!!

The fact that Reid then came back and stated he misspoke and then AGAIN bashed the Republicans just goes to show lack of leadership all over. Rangel- now there's a man who should have helped. He has plenty of money and hotels/condos in the Caribbean. Let him send some folks there to live and work- oh, but wait. We can't do that.

Vitter, associating with prostitutes. Kinda sounds like Clinton. Oh, but wait. She wasn't a prostitute.

Vitter is just as clueless- Katrina, as spoken by many relief workers, was not only faster but a lot of the stuff got held up simply because you could not GET into or out of New Orleans. It took weeks for the water to dissipate enough to be able to effectively rescue people. I am not defending either side but let's just be honest both directions. Both sides push things through full of BS and fluff. Now that the American people are calling Congress on it, it so happens that the Republicans are there so they are easy targets.

If the other things didn't get repaired before- example being cracks in the Smithsonian and all the other malarkey- then it seems to me that something that important should've been pushed through when there was a Democratic Congress instead of now.

Bless all of us, regardless of religion or party lines. This is going to be a rough 4 years.

Ricks quote "Reid cared enough for the victims of Sandy to allow the bill to be stuffed with pork. Stupid comments from Reid, which are nothing new for one of the most corrupt politicians in Washington. Reid can't find the time to pass a federal budget, but he never misses a chance to play the blame game. If ever there were a reason for term limits in Congress, Harry Reid would be on the poster. But if Reid were to leave Washington who would ensure that the next Cowboy Poetry Festival in Nevada got funded by taxpayers?"

Right on the money.

Vozrations quote "Not exactly pork. Relief for several other disasters was also contained in this bill"

Hey Vox, your full of it, the Senate bill had pork all through it to the tune of 10's of billions. Please explain to us what fisheries in Washington state, re-roofing homes in Michigan, and the island of Samoa's reef got to do with Hurricane Sandy?. And then go through the other 50+ riders and tell me what they have to do with that hurricane that took down my sisters condo in New Jersey pal. Typical Washington con job, Reid is a total worthless jerk.

As long as folks are off-topic....can I get some of what billybob is smoking? I can't afford to move to Colorado.

Amanda....pull your head out of OB's butt...the sucking sound is disturbing

michigan northener

@shockedanddisgusted no political affiliation here. Why are liberals always talking about Nuts hanging in there face ?

LOL... I have absolutely no idea what they see in the "nuts hanging in their face" as you stated. LOLOL

Wicked Wanda

Amanda....pull your head out of OB's butt...the sucking sound is disturbing

OUCH... that visual is disturbing! hehehe

Ried is a poster boy for all of congress, he is out of touch, has no clue of what is happening to the american people with or without disaters. All they care about is themselfs and there careers in congress, there job performance sucks and now they are giving thereselfs a pay raise.LOL

When are you republicans ever going to learn? It is perfectly OK for a democrat to trash any republican anytime an opportunity arises and a republican IS to just stand there and take it. Under absolutely no circumstances should a republican dare saying ANYTHING negative about any democrat ever. Otherwise you republicans can expect negative press coverage. Some people never learn.

Seems like the prostitute loving, red neck Vitter, has approved his redneck cohorts over there in Louisiana to use the term "idiot" also. The blog link below is full of them calling Reid an idiot....it must run in the veins down there, read some of their responses.... LOL!!

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/01/reid_says_hurricane_katrina_wa.html

cradlemountain

You said, "Like most Republicans, Vitter is full of hate, resentment and paranoia, and is not well educated. What a pity that a very needy state like Louisiana has such an unimpressive, unqualified person representing its people."

Cradle Mt. Your statement is full of hate, resentment and paranoia. Should I then conclude by your logic that you are a Republican?

I'll make no assumptions about your education. But I do notice emotion trumps intelligence quite often. I know many many Dems and Repubs. I know none of either filled with hate, resentment or paranoia. Though in the heat of an emotional discussion, they may get lazy and speak in hyperbole. If you really think "most republicans" are any of those things, you need to get out more. Life Experience is the cure for bigotry. It's easy to vilify those you refuse to acknowledge are just like you in every measure that matters.

How ridiculous does this situation, have get ,before congress does its job? Comparing disasters? Comparing tragedies is like comparing, who is more dead! Now, all of you in Congress. Democrats and Republicans, DO YOUR JOB! Stop trying, to please those who can line your pockets with money and help those, who re-elected you and do what is best for all. Help the victims of Sandy to get their lives back in order. While your at it, you might want to revisit Katrina victims and get them back on track, as well. This is the United States. We are known for our compassion and generosity, for all those in need. Not only here but those in other countries. Have you ever heard the announcer from Canada who speaks about the United States and its reputation for helping. We are the country that sends in help. We are the country who fights. We are the country who gives. We are the country who provide hope. Now it is time for the United States to help, in all the states, devastated by Sandy. So Senator Reid and Senator Vitter, get your act together and get these victims, the help they need!

Ask the survivors of Hurricane Sandy--are they back living in their homes, did they get new ones?. Did their Government get Financial Aid? What has FEMA accomplished?---Harry Reid is not living in the Katrina, East Coast area where the killer storms happened.

Nevada---it's a gambling game--he should keep his mouth shut--he has said so many derogatory remarks against others, including other Issues. How did he ever get re elected. He's done NOTHING for Nevada.

"Off the Wall". Reid's career, along with Nancy Pelosi should be over--they are detrimental to President Obama's Admin, along with VP Biden, the open mouth.

Vitter is an idiot. Sadly, the lives that were lost are gone and there is nothing we can do to bring them back. We cannot wave a magic wand and undo the devastation both storms caused. Yes, Katrina was more costly in terms of damage to physical buildings, roads, etc. What these number do not include is the cost in real dollars of work that had to be put on hold (and in some places still is) for weeks of the center of the financial world and its surrounding areas, which are very densely populated. The hourly wages of NYC, NJ, CT, RI, DE, NC, etc., employees FAR exceeds those of the low population density & low pay areas of LA, MS, etc. It is not even close. Therefore, it is of great benefit to EVERYONE in the country to get this area back to work as quickly as possible. Moreover, LA, MS, etc., get much more of their dollars back from the federal government than they put in. NY and NJ subsidizes states like LA in this way. It cracks me up when these southern states want to secede from the nation after taking their socialist dollars from the governement. What hypocrites they are. They should have kicked Texas to the curb. For someone who keeps the word socialist as one of the top words in his vocabulary, Vitter should be called for what he is...a hypocrite.

Let's see, we have:

Joe Wilson shouting out "You lie!" to Obama

John McCain to Leahy: "Go f*ck yourself"

Boehner to Reid: "Go f*ck yourself"

and now Vitter to Reid...

Republicans keeping it classy I see.

Both of these guys have an accute case of crainial-rectal inversion and need to be retired. Case in point; Galveston, 1900, 6000 dead

Bart Conner

For all the folks complaining about Sandy bill pork, what would some of those specifics be...or are you just restating GOP talking points?

Well there's the 1.3 million for the "Procurement of ammunition-Army", 150 million for fisheries in Alaska, 820 million for dredging projects all across the country and 60 million in aid for Japan relating to their tsunami. And that's just a drop in the bucket. Call me crazy but I'm pretty such Hurricane Sandy didn't have much of an affect on Alaska or Japan. Also large parts of the bill deal with making improvements to various infrastructure projects, some of that may be money well spent but it is certainly not "emergency" spending that can't be dealt with separately at a latter date.

Maybe you should worry more about the talking points YOU are being spoon-fed.

Without a doubt, republicans have OBVIOUSLY had the market on "idiot" for over a decade now.

Republican sheep simply are not honorable enough, or man enough, to speak up about THEIR failed parties leadership that is ruining our country.

Nothing more, nothing less.

rockymtnroustabout, I have no idea what rock you have been living under, but obviously you didn't ever hear of the tea party

Wicked Wanda:

Bart...$800,000 to AMTrack....is that specificate enough for you.....monies also going to Homeland Security (which isn't doing crap except building another federal suck the money up agency) repairing a Museum roof (and why can't the Smithonian pay for fixing it's own roof??? They make folks pay to get in so don't they put a portion away for repairs???.

Let's address those one at a time. First keep in mind that the bill is supposed to cover EVERYONE affected by a disaster up until Dec 28, 2012. now, knowing that:

Amtrak: service up and down the Northeast corridor was disrupted because of the storm, wind blew down power lines, downed trees across the tracks, flood waters flooded parked railcars and flooded engines. So yes, I'd say they were affected by a disaster.

Homeland Security: You do realize FEMA is a branch of Homeland Security, right? So is the Coast Guard. Coast Guard vessels sustained damage from Sandy, and FEMA is handling and coordinatng disaster relief efforts. Not to mention which, immigrants living in the affected areas may now have to apply for new sets of paperwork if their old sets were lost in the devastation, which also falls under Nomeland Security in the USCIS division.So I'd definitely say they were affected by a disaster.

Smithsonian: Is a public museum as well as being a repository for some of the US's greatest national treasures. These funds are going to the US Army Corps of Engineers, who, in addition to using the funds to fix roads, bridges and infrastructure, will also be fixing the Washington Monument and the roof of the Smithsonian since the crack has been there since the Est Coast earthquake (and as every homeowner knows,the longer you delay fixing a small problem, the worse it's going to get(and the more costly.)

Chris from Yucaipa:

VP Biden is YOUR Wild Card---his outlandish statements are never reprimanded.

The last faux pas to Senator Heitkamp's Husband as she is being sworn in: "Spread your legs, you will never know when you are going to be frisked", or "We're going to put y'all back in chains, the statement to the President, "Pretty Big F-----deal". That is who could be the next President of the United States, if there is a unknown travesty. What will he say to the Foreign Leaders he would be dealing with? How can Biden Lead?

How did he ever go for a second round of VP in the last Election?

Sure jimmy, I know the tea party. Corporate sponsored racists. Nothing more, nothing less.

Simply makes my damned point. Idiots born of idiots. Without honor.

The reason for Reids criticism of republicans was that he couldn't get his pork to his promoters. There was no reason to rush a bill through the house because there was enough funding through the middle of January. It is poor administration by the responsible agencies that is the problem. The President said there would be no red tape, but, there was nothing but red tape and that is still the case today. I don't care if you liberals lay the blame on republicans because that is what you do,no matter what the circumstances. I can only imagine what the situation would be like, if any of you people were in charge.

Backcountry said:

Adding those things to an EMERGENCY RELIEF bill that everyone wants to be rushed through post-haste in the middle of the night MOST CERTAINLY IS PORK!!!

THIS WAS NOT AN EMERGENCY RELIEF BILL.

PLEASE GO READ IT:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1eas/pdf/BILLS-112hr1eas.pdf

HR1, as originally passed by the House, was originally for allocating funds for all Departments of the Federal Government. The opening paragraph of HR1 says:

In the Senate of the United States, December 28, 2012. Resolved, That the bill from the House of Representatives (H.R. 1) entitled ‘‘An Act making appropriations for the Department of Defense and the other Departments and Agencies of the Government for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2011, and for all other purposes.’’, do pass with the following AMENDMENTS....

The House sent the Senate a budget bill for all departments of the Federal Government. The Senate looked at it and saw no extra allocations for the Departments dealing with all the natural disasters thus far this year.

So the Senate asked for a rundown on what was needed from all over the country, from all states affected. When they had that total they looked at all the funds the House allocated to different departments and agencies, consulted various subcommittees and departments to see what they actually needed and came up with about $60 billion that various departments, like the Department of defense, said they didn't really need and the money could be better used to help disaster victims. The Senate made those changes, then gave the amended HR1 to the House Dec 28.

It had Senate approval, Presidential approval, and majority House approval. Speaker Boehner simply didn't call it to a vote, for whatever reason, and held it over for this year's first Congressional session.

If it had passed on last year's congressional session, people might have been able to claim disaster relief on their taxes this April. As it didn't, they may have to wait until April 2014 before they can claim losses on their taxes. This could result in a lot of small businesses closing because they don't have the funds to recover, and those former business owners are going to find themselves in the unemployment line.

I'll Reid over Vitter any day of the week.

Vitter isn't right about a lot, but he is right about Harry Reid. Reid puts a capital I in idiot.

He is the biggest political hack in the DC and that is really saying something.

Wanda said:

Amanda....pull your head out of OB's butt...the sucking sound is disturbing

Childish and immature.

I will say only that YOU need to go READ THE BILL FOR YOURSELF.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1eas/pdf/BILLS-112hr1eas.pdf

Once again, the preprogrammed libs automatically attack the Republican and defend the Democrat, even though Reid either was dumb enough not to have verified the incorrect data he spewed....or he just plain lied to further his and Obama's blatant campaign to destroy the GOP. Guess what, Harry; you can go tell Barry that while he was winning his reincarnation by the low information voters, the GOP was cleaning up in the state elections. The party is not dying, it is thriving at the state level. The GOP states are getting out of debt, creating jobs, and hordes are moving there from Democrat disaster areas like California, New York, and Illinois. Its only a matter of time before the GOP progress at the state level carries over to the national level, especially as Obama balatantly continues to ruin the economy.

hengbers said:

There was no reason to rush a bill through the house because there was enough funding through the middle of January.

If it had passed on last year's congressional session, people might have been able to claim disaster relief on their taxes this April. As it didn't, they may have to wait until April 2014 before they can claim losses on their taxes. This could result in a lot of small businesses closing because they don't have the funds to recover, and those former business owners are going to find themselves in the unemployment line.

JCB said:

the Senate bill had pork all through it to the tune of 10's of billions. Please explain to us what fisheries in Washington state, re-roofing homes in Michigan, and the island of Samoa's reef got to do with Hurricane Sandy?.

THIS WAS NOT A SANDY RELIEF BILL THIS WAS TO HELP EVERYONE AFFECTED BY A DISASTER UP TILL DEC 28, 2012.

WA fisheries have been sustaining steady losses from debris from the Japan tsunami hitting fishing equipment, boats, etc.

Michigan had blizzards with heavy snowfall that damaged roofs.

Samoa, in case you didn't know, is a protectorate of the US, like the US Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico We also have American Samoa. Their reefs were damaged when the hurricane went through there--Cuba, Haiti, Jamaica the Dominican Republic, too. So they too were affected by a disaster in 2012.

Not many people outside of Nevada will know that Harry Reid started out as a conservative! True story!

He quickly realized he could make more money as a liberal... and has been one ever since. I have to say that my family made money too on one of his BLM deals in S. Nevada. He now suffers from forgetfulness and is closely handled by an ever diligent staff. But they can't always protect him from saying or doing something silly.

I attended the same school in Vegas as his son Nick... who currently holds a State position (patronage) which he does nothing except collect a nice pay check off the Nevada taxpayer's dime. It is past time for the old boy to retire!

It is a very sad and utterly disgusting day when the damage from a hurricane is measured ONLY in deaths and dollar-amount costs. The conservative uber-super-Patriots in the U.S.A. claim that certain other cultures place no value on human life...

I ask those money-grubbing "I hadta wurk fer wut I gots, by dadgum ever'body kin wurk fer wut they needs" idiots what THEY happen to value more, actual human life -- or money.

It is truly disgusting how they are more concerned with the cost of a damn building than with making sure people have a place to live.

Amanda

Meteorologists have said that Sandy was unprecedented, that we've never once had two storm fronts collide and form a superstorm before.

Really? Get off of planet Amanda and come back to earth. If memory serves me correctly they wrote a book and made a movie about a storm in the Atlantic with THREE FRONT colliding. They called it the Perfect Storm. If this happened before it will happen again. Luckily the storm was further east of the coast. Furthermore when I was a child living in NYC I remember 3 hurricanes that made there way up the coast and slammed in to NYC and NJ. This was not unprecedented nor unusual it can happen when the same weather patterns repeat themselves where the Pacific Ocean in cooler than the Atlantic Ocean.

Brace yourself because it has happened before and will happen again.

Oh by the way PORK is PORK. This bill came out of the Senate loaded with enough pork that nobody with any kind of intelligence would recognize it as Sandy Relief. The people in NY and NJ needed better from our government which I am sure that no American would ever deprived them. It could have been done in days after the storm. Now you want us to believe that nothing was learned from Katrina? Adding more pork than the relief is asinine. I guess we have to wait until after the election to get anything done by those pork pushers in Washington.

Reid is a dunce and is the poster child for Washington incompetence. Even his own party threw him out of the fiscal cliff discussion and needed to bring the brilliant VP of gaff to get something done. I hope he is not the best that the democrats have to offer in the Senate.

Steve Wilson3 - you are COMPLETELY wrong. More Democrats are highly educated than Republicans and have more advanced degrees. But, my guess is you know that or you are one of the many uneducated Republicans. Oh, and there are more 1%ers who are Democrats too!

Wicked Wanda - crude and classless as well as ignorant - clearly a Republican!

So...this is what it has come to. Party lines fighting over which storm(s) were worse, and blaming each other in the process, along with name calling, finger pointing, etc.

I wonder...do other countries look at how divided we are (over a natural disaster, of all things), and think "gee, and we wanted to be just like them...why?"

I always thought that it was at times like this is when the U.S. showed it's strength...by coming together as one..."United", if you will...not squabbling like petulant 3 year olds.

Seeking insanity, your post just validated Steve Wilson3's post. Stop maligning others before you really hurt your credibility!

michigan: You are the only one I have heard mention such a sophomoric comment. No doubt you'll have a response supporting my observation.

Being a Senator, Mr. Vitter should know that calling someone else an "idiot" doesn't change his place on the bell curve. Seems he has a lot of company on his side of the fence.

Amanda-2017567

THIS WAS NOT AN EMERGENCY RELIEF BILL.

Ok , so WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE PASSED POST-HASTE??????? If there is no emergency why the rush?

Also please do explain why it is reffered to as a "Sandy RELIEF" BILL???

Allow me to refresh your memory of the topic at hand by reposting Sen Reids statement-

"The people of New Orleans and that area, they were hurt but nothing in comparison to what happened to the people in New York and New Jersey. Almost 1 million people have lost their homes; 1 million people lost their homes. That is homes, that is not people in those homes. So I think it is just unfortunate that we do not have the RELIEF for New York and New Jersey and the rest already. It has to be done. We have to meet the needs of the American people when an act of God occurs"

So apperntly YOU are the ONLY one trying to claim this bill has nothing to do with emergency relief. The leaders in BOTH parties clearly don't share your opinion.

Agree, Harry Reid mispoke like an idiot. However there were much more mean spirited Representatives and Senators who chose to not vote for the aid or to vote against the aid.

What is not said..nor more than likely thought about is really easy to see if looking...we have an elected bunch of millionaire politicans..who pretty much say whatever to get elected then do what they please as long as it satisifies the biggest supporters they have..which are other millionaires. Lets consider that no jobs bill has been passed by either party. All of congress allows goods to be sold from other countries that tax whatever we send out to them...any kind of goods at all from this country has a VAT tax on it....especially China..which many companies from this country are moving too..and why not..they can build whatever there using low cost government controled workers and ship those goods here with little to no tax cost at all. Its all about profits...nothing else. Social security has lost millions..why...jobs are leaving here to go to China and other countries...millions of jobs have gone with our governments blessings...and the huge loss to social security has gone with them. And not one politican has voiced any concern. Yet..we keep electing the same ones inot office..the real questions we should be asking ourselves is why?

Let me say it! I think Vitter is an idiot! For saying what he said!

“When 9/11 happened in New York City, they waived the Stafford Act. … And that was the right thing to do. When Hurricane Andrew struck in Florida, people said, 'Look at this devastation. We don't expect you to come up with your own money. Here, here's the money to rebuild. We're not going to wait for you to scratch it together, because you're part of the American family. What's happening down in New Orleans? Where's your dollar? Where's your Stafford Act money? Makes no sense. ... Tells me that somehow the people down in New Orleans they don't care about as much.” – Barack Obama

“When we had that devastation from Katrina, we were there within days taking care of Mississippi, Alabama, and especially Louisiana--within days. We are now past 2 months with the people of New York and New Jersey.” – Harry Reid

DANG! GET YOUR LIES STRAIGHT!!!

otsosure10

I would not call Reid an Idiot...more like uninformed by the comment embedded in his speech that I have cut and pasted here.

"We have to meet the needs of the American people when an act of God occurs."

Act of God is a phrase concocted by insurance companies to place the blame for natural disaster on a God of Love who has nothing to do with storms that kill people. There is another force at work who wants to destroy and kill but he is not God. Not to mention the daily display of selfishness by humans toward themselves and others. These are the most corrosive lies in the world...those of blaming a loving God and holding on to unbelievable selfishness by most of humanity. Reid and the Congress display their selfishness every day for the world to see and yet no one calls them on it...interesting.

I find it fascinating that you elect to relieve your "God of Love" of any responsibility for his "destructive creations"...you know, like war? Or are you telling me your "God of Love" is not the almighty creator of heaven and earth and therefore an innocent bystander. Or do you also assign responsibility to Satan for certain acts or do they share responsibility? And if they share responsibility does that make them equals? Nothing I hate worse than a religious slippery slope.

So tell me, are you one of those religious people who believe 911 was the fault of pagans and homosexuals? I'm just a little curious as to how you divvy up responsibility between the sacred and the mundane? Do we praise God and blame the devil? Or do they both get a pass and we just blame pagans and athiests?

clwyd-2621393

Let me say it! I think Vitter is an idiot! For saying what he said!

LOL! And what exactly do you think that says about you? Applying your own logic I think we can conclude...

The idea of Vitter calling anyone else an 'idiot' is funny to me. Vitter is a disgrace.

I am amazed. We have a whoremongering cretin passing judgement on an idiot. These "men" are running the country.Reid was the weakest Dem running for re-election. So who do the Rep braintrust run against him ? A total fecking moron. The idiot incapacetated the moron. I think the syphilis has affected their brain cells.

Weiner is out, Vitter is still in. I am not a religeous person, but, let us pray for our salvation. Unfortunately, this is the rule, not the exception. May God have mercy on us.

You'll need to chill out and pop open a few cold ones or smoke some weed.

It's pregame mode at my house and this Irish Catholic kid says: Go Bama! Roll Tide!

There sure is lots of right wing hate on this vine today. Reid did compare the two storms but it's was obvious he was referring to Sandy's scope not the cost. the only reason Sandy killed fewer people is because we actually have a federal government that responded to this natural disaster in a timely manner.

For more than four days as Katrina approached from the south NOAA was pretty sure it would hit New Orleans. What did the Republican administration do????? ABSOLULTY NOTHING! Of course every Republican supporter is still living in la la land thinking the Bush administration did a good job with Katrina.... "Your doing a great job Browny". Remember those words.... Bush just paid lip service to the disaster with a pile of self serving crap that did nothing to help the American citizens of the Gulf Coast.

The thing I dislike about Republicans is they all have selective amnesia and they just love turning lies into truth and truth into lies. As a group right wingers are not just pathetic Americans but also selfish human beings........

SallyNeverRockedanything - only in your demented mind did my post validate Steve's post. Your lack of reading comprehension is clearly something you should work on - but then you're a Republican so we expect no better from you. Oh, and you have NO credibility at all - nil, zilch, nada, zero!

Considering Vitter's history in the DC Madam scandal, perhaps he should keep his comments to himself when commenting on someone being an idiot. Of course, he did say he asked God and his wife for forgiveness for being a pig so I suppose that makes everything alright. I wonder if he would accept Reid's apology for perhaps making an insensitive statement when comparing the Katrina and Sandy disasters. Probably not.

Backcountry,

I never said I wasn't, but knowing Vitter's past with madams he should have just kept quiet!

More Democrats are highly educated than Republicans and have more advanced degrees.

SeekingSanity, Even if you are correct, So what? A degree is only a license to succeed. It's what you do with your degree that matters. Besides, kids are graduating from high school and can't read, so what is that liberal education really worth? I've trained people that had higher degrees than mine who were as dumb as a stone. Heck, you libbies can't even fathom how uncontrolled federal spending will destroy this country.

.....and there are more 1%ers who are Democrats too!

It must be confusing when you support the occupy movement to protest yourselves.

....Oh, and by the way, Reid is the epitome of political idiots.

He is the biggest political hack in the DC and that is really saying something.

Really, "kirby in idaho"? Perhaps you can give us an update on a certain Mormon Rep from Idaho that got popped drinking and driving. Obviously you wouldn't know a political hack if it bit you in the potatoes.

BigAl Las Vegas

There sure is lots of right wing hate on this vine today. Reid did compare the two storms but it's was obvious he was referring to Sandy's scope not the cost

Which was still far less than Katrina so what exaclty is your point?

The thing I dislike about Republicans is they all have selective amnesia and they just love turning lies into truth and truth into lies.

Yeah, right. It's only republicans who do that. ROTFLMAO!!

clwyd-2621393

I never said I wasn't, ...

Touché

SeekingSanity

Oh, and you have NO credibility at all - nil, zilch, nada, zero!

That doesn't stop you from posting.

So we are comparing NY/NJ against a bunch of trailer trash that lives below sea level? Perhaps FEMA rules should be the same as welfare - they are not allowed to use it more than once. The next time that idiots that live below sea level get flooded - they should be on their own.

It is not the responsibility of the rest of us to keep bailing out idiots who choose to live there. The sea level is rising (in spite of the denial of the idiots who refuse to believe), and those who choose to live where flooding is going to happen every few years should fund their own stupidity. IT IS NOT MY PROBLEM and the federal deficit is large enough.

Amanda; you can lead the horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Or in other terms, some people like being stupid.

Reid has become the white version of Sharpton and Jackson, alway looking for the sound bite, even if his sound ain't so good. Time to retire, Harry!

Misspoken? Again? Reid needs to retire. This is how he thinks and this is the mentality he is exhibiting in Congress with his decisions and influencing others on decisions that affect the entire Nation. This is one reason that we haven't had a budget in almost three years. He needs to go.

commonsense said:

Really? Get off of planet Amanda and come back to earth. If memory serves me correctly they wrote a book and made a movie about a storm in the Atlantic with THREE FRONT colliding. They called it the Perfect Storm. Brace yourself because it has happened before and will happen again.

The post you quoted was from 1.10. A couple of people corrected my misconception and I corrected myself at post 1.23. Thank you for pointing out my error...again.

Oh by the way PORK is PORK. This bill came out of the Senate loaded with enough pork that nobody with any kind of intelligence would recognize it as Sandy Relief.

THIS WAS NOT AN EMERGENCY RELIEF BILL.

PLEASE GO READ IT:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1eas/pdf/BILLS-112hr1eas.pdf

HR1, as originally passed by the House, was originally for allocating funds for all Departments of the Federal Government. The opening paragraph of HR1 says:

In the Senate of the United States, December 28, 2012. Resolved, That the bill from the House of Representatives (H.R. 1) entitled ‘‘An Act making appropriations for the Department of Defense and the other Departments and Agencies of the Government for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2011, and for all other purposes.’’, do pass with the following AMENDMENTS....

The House sent the Senate a budget bill for all departments of the Federal Government. The Senate looked at it and saw no extra allocations for the Departments dealing with all the natural disasters thus far this year.

So the Senate asked for a rundown on what was needed from all over the country, from all states affected. When they had that total they looked at all the funds the House allocated to different departments and agencies, consulted various subcommittees and departments to see what they actually needed and came up with about $60 billion that various departments, like the Department of defense, said they didn't really need and the money could be better used to help disaster victims. The Senate made those changes, then gave the amended HR1 now retitled 'National Disaster Relief 2012' to the House Dec 28.

THERE WAS NO MENTION OF SANDY IN THE TITLE. IT WAS MEANT TO HELP EVERYONE WHO SUFFERED IN ANYY WAY FROM ANY DISASTER UP TILL DEC 28 2012.

It had Senate approval, Presidential approval, and majority House approval. Speaker Boehner simply didn't call it to a vote, for whatever reason, and held it over for this year's first Congressional session.

Backcountry said:

Ok , so WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE PASSED POST-HASTE??????? If there is no emergency why the rush?

If it had passed on last year's Congressional session, people might have been able to claim disaster relief on their taxes this April. As it didn't, they may have to wait until April 2014 before they can claim losses on their taxes. This could result in a lot of small businesses closing because they don't have the funds to recover in 2013, and those former business owners are going to find themselves in the unemployment line by tax time 2014--when they CAN claim the disaster on their taxes.

Also please do explain why it is reffered to as a "Sandy RELIEF" BILL???

1) Because Sandy was the largest disaster to hit the US in 2012. 2) Because by refering to it as such, those trying to get it passed can appeal to emotion. 3) Because the media keeps referring to it as such to sell papers and create headlines. 4) because those trying NOT to get it passed can point to certain items that would be 'pork' if it WERE a Sandy Relief Bill' and couldn't use said items as an excuse if it were not.

Allow me to refresh your memory of the topic at hand by reposting Sen Reids statement-

"The people of New Orleans and that area, they were hurt but nothing in comparison to what happened to the people in New York and New Jersey. Almost 1 million people have lost their homes; 1 million people lost their homes. That is homes, that is not people in those homes. So I think it is just unfortunate that we do not have the RELIEF for New York and New Jersey and the rest already. It has to be done. We have to meet the needs of the American people when an act of God occurs"

So apperntly YOU are the ONLY one trying to claim this bill has nothing to do with emergency relief.

If you look at Reid's statement closely, he says:

...it is just unfortunate that we do not have the RELIEF for New York and New Jersey and the rest already.

I am not the 'only one trying to claim this has noting to do with emergency relief.' The bill itself said that. If you'd read any of my above posts, I've quoted this multiple times on the same comment thread:

In the Senate of the United States, December 28, 2012. Resolved, That the bill from the House of Representatives (H.R. 1) entitled ‘‘An Act making appropriations for the Department of Defense and the other Departments and Agencies of the Government for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2011, and for all other purposes.’’, do pass with the following AMENDMENTS....

The Senate made amendments to the original bill that would authorize spending for all departments of the Federal Government, allocated funds for disaster relief for EVERYONE affected by a disaster in 2012 and sent it back to the House on Dec 28 and retitled it 'National Disaster Relief 2012.' It does NOT specifically mention Sandy, nor does it specify 'emergency'.

The leaders in BOTH parties clearly don't share your opinion.

Everyone has gotten so swept up in the rhetoric coming from both parties, both sides, that they have not been paying attention to WHAT THE BILL ACTUALLY SAYS. It, like my posts that explain the whole thing, has gotten lost in the bipartisan bickering and name calling--Boehner telling Reid to "Go f*** yourself" being the first, and most egregious, example; now this. I'm not saying that Reid was right in his comments, I am glad he apologized for the words he spoke, but I'm also not absolving Vitter of his name-calling either.

Can you all just sit back, just for moment, and look at what's happened the last few days with all the namecalling, and wonder what the rest of the world is thinking at the moment? What are we doing but embarassing ourselves and our nation? What kind of example are we setting? We are supposed to be a world leader--what kind of front are we showing, both individually here on the boards and as a national collective with our bickering and infighting, immature, childish name-calling and inability to resolve issues like sensible, grown human beings? People in other countries read these messages, these posts, these comments. Are you showing the world the best of you? And if you are not, how can we expect the rest of the world to respect us if we cannot even show respect for each other and ourselves?

Zannie:

I feel as though I've spent the entire day on a mountaintop shouting to the wind---aka the people on here. Almost no one has bothered to go read this for themselves, bothered to go look at the bill and form their own conclusions--they're just parroting what their politician-of-the-week says and runs with it with no thought to forming their own opinions and educating themselves. And when someone does go find out the heart of the matter and tries to correct misconceptions, they respond with childish, off-topic crudities, attacking the poster instead of the content--because they know their opinions are wrong but can't admit it.

This is why we have the government we have--people who wait for their government to tell them what to think instead of going, doing research, reading the thing for themselves and FINDING OUT THE TRUTHS THE POLITICIANS WON'T TELL YOU.

To NBC News:

Please stop with the cut-and-paste journalism. Instead of just repeating what one party or the other says, seek to educate your readers. Post something that explains the bill so the average person can understand it--if you don't have the time, then for the Goddess's sake, I'll do it.

Everyone has been so caught up in calling this a 'Sandy relief bill' that the original intent of the bill has been lost in the rhetoric being spit out from either side. There used to be something called journalistic integrity--it was something I learned in high school. Journalists have to post the truth, irregardless of political leanings on both sides. You write facts, not emotion. Use logic, reason, intellect. Educate, instead of seeking to divide. Write thoughtful pieces that explore both sides of a topic, instead of picking sides.

I challenge NBC News writers to write an article that truly explains the content of HR1. Read it. Write what is truly there. I have faith that the majority of the people reading will understand once they read a clear, unbiased, logically-reasoned treatise on the bill itself instead of reflecting talking points from both sides of the aisle.

Amanda 2017567

The bill you are so upset about is 906 pages. Have you read it? Do you understand it? Didn't think so.

It wasn't meant for you to comprehend.

Toxic

Seeking Sanity is referring to a report by the Congressional Research Service.

BUT. The information they are providing is INCOMPLETE and OMITS a number of Republicans that do have a number of degrees and/or honors.

Seeking is correct about Phd's, but as for including all advanced degrees, NO!

I recall the Phd's were things like Sociology, Political Science, Minority Studies - yeah I had to do a double take on that one. One might have been in economics and one might have been in Business.

MD is an advanced degree (8 years+). Republicans out number democrats about 3 - 1. People think that democrats have the correct prescription for medical costs? I say the ACA is legal Malpractice.

MBA is an advanced degree lead by Democrats by just a couple. But BA is lead by Republicans as well as those who actually run a business.

Lawyer is an advanced degree lead by Republicans by about a dozen. If you add all advanced degrees, you will find that Republicans and Democrats republicans may actually have an edge

Military is also is lead by democrats by a few. You wouldn't think that because Republicans have an edge in the rank and file, and a huge lead in the Officers rank. Seems the happy military stays in the armed forces, and the disgruntled go to congress to defund it.

Who is more educated then after more facts are offered? Actually, the Republicans.

While they often elect not to continue to a Ph'd (one more year), they are more likely to have multiple degrees. The average Republican holds .2 degrees more than the average Democrat.

Oh, Yes how did I know Republicans were short changed on the Evaluation.

Senator David Vitter for one. He was a Rhodes Scholar that graduated "With Distinction".

How about that, he wasn't half as notorious with women as Bill Clinton, had much higher accomplishment in education than Bill, and they loath him.

I'm pretty confident of my numbers without checking too close, because the 112th Congress was noted as having a higher level of education than the 112th, and the story of the day was Republicans sweeping into office. The 113th is only a little give-back.

Seeking, just because a story makes your point doesn't mean it is accurate or true. Just because you have 4 democratic party members to 1 of all other parties toughting and inaccurate or untrue story doesn't make it true either.

Amanda-2017567

If it had passed on last year's Congressional session, people might have been able to claim disaster relief on their taxes this April. As it didn't, they may have to wait until April 2014 before they can claim losses on their taxes. This could result in a lot of small businesses closing because they don't have the funds to recover in 2013,

Might, may, could...Yeah, great argument. Of course anyone who has a clue how government works understands that bills can be passed at a later date with the provisions being applied retroactively. Any other excuses you didn't bother to fully research???

2) Because by refering to it as such, those trying to get it passed can appeal to emotion.

Bingo!!!!

4) because those trying NOT to get it passed can point to certain items that would be 'pork' if it WERE a Sandy Relief Bill' and couldn't use said items as an excuse if it were not.

A- If it is not a relief bill there is NO reason to rush it through. B- There will be a bill passed, trimming away the pork is NOT a problem at all since, as you admit, those things are not part of the relief effort and can be addressed again at a later date. BUT, of course the TRUTH is that many of the things in this bill have already been addressed in previous bills AND FAILED!

The very definition of PORK is taking items that could NOT get passed through Congress, tacking them on to another bill and then trying to rush it through by calling it "emergency relief".

Everyone has gotten so swept up in the rhetoric coming from both parties, both sides, that they have not been paying attention to WHAT THE BILL ACTUALLY SAYS.

I know exactly what's in the bill Amanda, the problem is not the content...It's the way they are trying to cram it down our throats using a disaster as an excuse. That's the issue, the rush to get it done...Or did you not understand what Senator Reid was bitching about?

Amanda

Boehner and Vitter are PO'd because Reid is dealing dishonestly. This is a bill that was sent though the house clear back in early 2011 that Reid tabled (the original senator of "H" no). At the time the spending may have been more appropriate than it is today in 2013. Today we are down the road faster to severe austerity and much of what was in the bill is now seen as unnecessary or outdated.

You have been alert enough to see that this bill was not a true hurricane relief. It was a trap to get the Republicans to spend more when they are trying to cut. And if they don't pass this extra spending then they are not interested in helping the hurricane victims and that is just evil.

The Republicans did the right thing, strip all the old bill out and pass only what was actual hurricane relief.

You will never get the fiscal house in order until you get rid of such rigid, hateful, vengeful, partisan politicians like Reid and Pelosi. Have you ever looked at how much money they take back to their districts/states to the heavy spending people that fund their campaigns? Fat chance you will ever see them gone!

You might as well add Obama to that group. In the past 2 weeks he has said "he's not talking to Boehner about any cuts" and "we don't have a spending problem". The Hagel nomination doesn't appear as it seems either. I heard a couple of conservatives say this was to divide the the republican party. I think it is more about trying to drive a wedge between the voters and the republican party. See, the republicans are right wing extremists. I think also think this may be a miss, seeing 10 Democrat Senators object to Hagel and most republicans already are expressing some reservations. The splitting might be against his own support instead of that of the Republicans. No matter though, people seem to forget by election.

I don't know much about seeking sanity's life, but if she's married I gotta pity her poor husband! What a mean spirited, contencious, nagging woman! First she personally attacks any conservative poster (coh violation?) then she spouts nonsense to support her weak arguments. The gal needs to relax, and I need to take an aspirin.

Mr. Seeking Sanity, I really feel sorry for you!

Don't you just love the defense of a guy that clearly shouldn't even hold office? If this were a Republican, you'd see the left all a twiiter about how cold and heartless the comment is, instead here we see a perfect example of how the left goes to great lengths to minimize the gravity of such a disgusting remark made by a person that has made mistake time and time again, and yet is forgiven over and over by the clueless left, simply because he is a Democrat.

kk wilson said:

The bill you are so upset about is 906 pages. Have you read it?

I haven't read the whole bill. Meant to this weekend but got busy and didn't have a chance, am planning on doing so this weekend. I skimmed it, but nothing really glaring jumped out at me.

Backcountry said:

Of course anyone who has a clue how government works understands that bills can be passed at a later date with the provisions being applied retroactively. Any other excuses you didn't bother to fully research???

I do know if it pases later the provisions can be applied retroactively. But it looks extremely unlikely that those affected will be able to claim it on their taxes this year because there simply isn;t much time to pass the bill, draw up the tax legislation, and write it into people's tax prep software and tax books. Therefore, if it is enacted at all, it will come as a check/reimbursement later this year or not until next tax season.

The very definition of PORK is taking items that could NOT get passed through Congress, tacking them on to another bill and then trying to rush it through by calling it "emergency relief".

And please try to remember, this bill is NOT titled 'Emergency relief'. It is titled 'National Disaster relief 2012.' Applies to all disasters up until Dec 28 2012.

DB Akron said:

The Republicans did the right thing, strip all the old bill out and pass only what was actual hurricane relief.

They haven't passed it. The bill that the House voted on on Friday was to put money into the National Flood Insurance Program so that Sandy victims in the NE could get the NFIP money. The actual bill, HR1, is still tabled and waiting for perusal. You forget that when HR1was given to the House after getting bipartisan Senate approval, the majority of House republicans supported it, Speaker Boehner simply never called it to vote--which most people were expecting him to.

You will never get the fiscal house in order until you get rid of such rigid, hateful, vengeful, partisan politicians like Reid and Pelosi. Have you ever looked at how much money they take back to their districts/states to the heavy spending people that fund their campaigns? Fat chance you will ever see them gone!

The same can also be said of those on the other side of the aisle too. As Speaker of the House, 3rd in line for the presidency, Head of the Homeland Security Oversight Committee direct supervisor to the9th most powerful woman in the world (Janet Napolitano) John Boehner gets a huge chunk of taxpayer money from lobbyists, from private contractors and for-profit prisons contracted to Homeland Security. And when Reid accused him of running his own dictatorship, he told Reid to "Go f*** yourself".

There is blame to be had on both sides of the aisle and from all parties, No one is immune and no one is exempt. There should be term limits to Senate and House just like there is for the Presidency.

"Sadly, Harry Reid has again revealed himself to be an idiot, this time gravely insulting Gulf Coast residents,"

When he's right he's right. Harry Reid is an idiot. He's also a pasty faced, creepily soft spoken, corrupt turd.

As one poster so aptly put it the Left Wing Liberal/Progressive Wack Jobs are so conditioned to pit one American against another for political gain it's almost become Pavlovian.

Here's the genius you haters worship;

"My staff tells me not to say this, but I'm going to say it anyway," said Reid in his remarks. "In the summer because of the heat and high humidity, you could literally smell the tourists coming into the Capitol.

Nice....

Amanda,

There is blame to be had on both sides of the aisle and from all parties, No one is immune and no one is exempt. There should be term limits to Senate and House just like there is for the Presidency.

There already is. It's called the voting booth.

I'm tired of all of the rush, emergency bill passage practices the Democrats continue to display while demonstrating their inability and desire to read what they pass. Heck, even Obamacare was considered an emergency even though it wouldn't go into effect until 2014. (I don't know about you, but my medical insurance costs went up by over 20% last year. So much for the "Affordable Care Act".)

This government is a joke and the World knows it since liberal clowns took control.

• Senator Vitter is simply another in a long, long, long line of Republican hypocrite.

To be a politician, one needs to be a hypocrite otherwise you can't please both sides.

This government is a joke and the World knows it since liberal clowns took control.

DUDE, my health insurance also jumped up about 20%, including co-pay. The socialist/liberal agenda of this administration has accelerated our country's trip down the proverbial drain! And at blogs like this posters like amanda and seeking (in)sanity just don't get it! Amazingly dense!

Amanda-2017567

But it looks extremely unlikely that those affected will be able to claim it on their taxes this year because there simply isn;t much time to pass the bill, draw up the tax legislation, and write it into people's tax prep software and tax books.

More maybes and what if's, could you please share with the rest of us just exactly what leads you to this opinion? Also, if they can't get that done now what made you think those things would be in place if they passed it on Dec 31st? You do understand people have until April 15th to file their taxes right? You also understand that the IRS grants extensions and that a hurricane that destroyed everything you own would likely get you one right?

And please try to remember, this bill is NOT titled 'Emergency relief'. It is titled 'National Disaster relief 2012.' Applies to all disasters up until Dec 28 2012.

You can harp on that until you are blue in the face. It doesn't change anything. They want it passed RIGHT NOW because of the emergency relief the Sandy victims need. They've attached a bunch of stuff that failed to pass Congress and now they're trying to sneak it though post-haste using this hurricane as a excuse. That is the definition of PORK whether you want to accept that fact or not.

One other FACT, quite a bit of the spending goes towards updating infrastructure to better withstand FUTURE disasters. So much for your theory about "all disasters up until Dec 28 2012". Just more PORK that could be dealt with at a latter date after proper discussion and procedure.

republican062578

The sandy bill has more pork than the bacon isle at the supper market.

First it's not pork, unless you consider fixing other areas besides those areas affected by Sandy as being pork. Those states that had/have their own natural disasters needed to get their people in there as well so they could get help - which is proper. Second: What's a "supper market"?

Amanda, they just like being in their dumb little world. You just can''t fix it.

I read thru the bill too, and after checking out items, it did make sense. If the House had passed any sensible bills last year, the Senate bill would not have contain pieces of other disasters.

Seriously, has anyone else here mentioned Sen. Vitter's known problems frequenting prostitutes? Or that he has a diaper fetish? A diaper fetish? It's come out publicly, I'm not even making this up. Are those Republican "family values"?

So tell me righties, how this guy is qualified to criticize anything, ever?

Dangerous Mind,

Seriously, has anyone else here mentioned Sen. Vitter's known problems frequenting prostitutes? Or that he has a diaper fetish? A diaper fetish? It's come out publicly, I'm not even making this up. Are those Republican "family values"?

If true I'm surprised he's not vying for Harry's position. You fellers on the Left just eat that stuff up.

The reason New Orleans had more deaths is because they live in a place that we all know that was bound to happen but nothing sensible was ever done to guard against that outcome. Knowing the mentality that seems to have become pervasive in southern states politicians, I see that as a destructive element that really needs some intellectual attention and get off of the crap like the Abortion issue or getting a probe into women's pussies and do your job to protect living people from dying.

I'll bet the New Jersey, New York area will be ready for a repeat while New Orleans will most likely not be.

Dangerous Mind

Seriously, has anyone else here mentioned Sen. Vitter's known problems frequenting prostitutes?

Well in this country people who ask for forgiveness and make an effort to prove they are sincere are generally given a second chance.

So before you go criticizing OTHER peoples values maybe YOU should take a look at your own.

Backcountry....

Seriously? You want to forgive the prostitute using diaper fetishist, but Harry Reid is a demon for daring to prioritize aid for hurricane victims?

You right wing nut jobs have a serious, serious problem with double standards. You might want to examine that before saying anything else incredibly stupid, buddy.

You guys love to rag on Clinton but with him at least it was fairly normal. I guess sexual deviancy is a family value according to you. As long as the deviant asks for forgiveness, oh, and is a Republican. Weiner gets thrown out for sending a picture in his underwear, but you're ok with the prostitute-frequenting-diaper-fetishist because he said sorry.

That's really pathetic. I don't think you can possibly find a way to prove to anyone halfway normal that your approach is acceptable here.

Nice values Backcountry.

Maybe you should take your own advice and examine them. Wow.

Dangerous Mind

Seriously? You want to forgive the prostitute using diaper fetishist, but Harry Reid is a demon for daring to prioritize aid for hurricane victims?

Where did I demonize Reid for saying anything. He also apologized and I have no reason to believe it was insincere.

You right wing nut jobs have a serious, serious problem with double standards. You might want to examine that before saying anything else incredibly stupid, buddy.

I'm not "right wing" I'm a libertarian. Making up BS so you can cry and whine about it is the most "incredibly stupid" thing on this thread and it's coming from you.

You guys love to rag on Clinton but with him at least it was fairly normal

I didn't care much for Clinton but it's easy to see that he was a far better President than anything that followed him. I just didn't care for his personality, came off as a little smug IMO. But as a President it's hard to look past his ability to compromise and the fact that he ran the smallest deficits in recent history. Hardly what you'd call "raging" on the man now is it?

That's really pathetic. I don't think you can possibly find a way to prove to anyone halfway normal that your approach is acceptable here.

Take a look in the mirror dude because you just described yourself. You totally made up a bunch of BS about me just so you could con yourself into believing you're somehow "better". You think that is "normal"? LOL! Not even "half way"! In fact, THAT is the very definition of PATHETIC!

Oh, and you wouldn't be dangerous even if you had a mind.

Sounds like Vitter's mad Reid wouldn't give him directions/full accommodations to go the Moonlight Bunny Ranch in Nevada.

Whatever comes out the mouth of this Vitter creep character goes in one ear and out the other for me. He's the LAST person to be calling someone an idiot.

Nice deflections and spin Backcountry. Whatever you call yourself you are right wing. All I have to do is go read your previous posts to see that.

Maybe I put a few words in your mouth, inadvertantly (you have to realize that "you" in my post meant the collective "you" of the right wing, or maybe I'm giving you too much credit). I've read enough of your posts to know where you stand and it's definitely not in the center it's to the far right. The article is about Vitter attacking Reid over his statements, and if you defend the perverted sicko Vitter I have to assume you agree with his attacks on Reid. Even if you said nothing about Reid you imply support for Vitter. I'd be willing to bet a billion you wouldn't forgive a Dem senator for the same perversions. Clinton at least has the distinction for being an effective President and balancing the budget, so you're right to look past your political prejudices and forgive him. Vitter has no distinction. I don't care if he apologized he's sick and the epitomy of abusing a powerful position of public service and personal wealth.

Insults mean nothing except that you have nothing. And your defense of a diaper fetishist is stupid and indefensible sorry. My opinions and statements are far from the stupidest on the vine. That distinct honor belongs to the teatarded libertarians you so proudly group yourself with. As long as we're going to sling insults might I suggest you feel such a need to defend such disgusting proclivities as diaper fetishes because you share them?

I'm not much concerned with your opinion of me because, like most of your other opinions, it's fairly worthless. I suppose typing in all caps and "LOL"ing is evidence of insight?

Go ahead and spit some more hate at a poster, violating the Code. You still don't have any sane defense of that trash Vitter.

Dangerous,

And if you go ahead and defend Senator Reid you are no better than those that you are insulting... And last I checked

@Seeking Sanity

So by your standards, considering you're calling Crapo a hack, then you surely thought Ted Kennedy was not even qualified to be a political hack. Isn't that right?

A little gem from the ever charming "wanda":

Amanda....pull your head out of OB's butt...the sucking sound is disturbing

Judging from the maturity of this response, I'm beginning to understand why the image of Vitter wearing diapers is not something that would occur to her as being out of the norm. Give her a squeaky toy and a binky and I'm sure she will be quite at home in the crib with her hero Vitter and the rest of the right wing deviants.

So, "wanda", does Vitter have to pay the prostitute more when he brings friends?

Dangerous Mind

Nice deflections and spin Backcountry. Whatever you call yourself you are right wing. All I have to do is go read your previous posts to see that.

Well you must not have read very many because I am 100% in support of gay marriage (not to mention ending ALL forms of government discrimination against them), 100% in support of ending our war on drug users, 100% against the war in Iraq and extending the war in Afghanistan beyond the first 6 months or so, and I also think we spend TWICE as much on our military as we should be.

So yeah, I'm just a total right wing nut-job LOL!

Maybe I put a few words in your mouth, inadvertantly

Inadvertently! ROTFLMAO!!!!! Talk about spin and deflections!

Insults mean nothing except that you have nothing.

THANK YOU for admitting that YOU have nothing and NEVER do.

I've read your posts too, they're all the same. Just your standard blathering that comes from the left. No better than the blathering that comes from the right. You're all just a bunch of sheep, parroting what your puppet-masters have spoon-fed you. Whether you're right or left, red or blue, it makes little difference. It's all just a bunch of drivel.

Go ahead and spit some more hate at a poster, violating the Code.

OK, how's this- hypocrite! Because I sure don't bee much "love" in any of your posts.

You still don't have any sane defense of that trash Vitter.

I'm not defending what Vitter said, just that he's asked to be forgiven for his past digressions. You see, I understand that many people have addictions that they struggle with, I actually know a couple people myself. So I'm the forgiving sort of person once someone shows they truly want it. I guess you are just some biter a-hole who stands above everyone in judgement. Gee, and I thought liberals were supposed to be the compassionate ones? Guess that doesn't apply when they are blinded by rhetoric.

You have a nice day now, assuming that is even possible for you.

Whoops, that should have been "past indiscretions" should pay better attention to the spellcheck options I guess.

Backcountry said:

More maybes and what if's, could you please share with the rest of us just exactly what leads you to this opinion?

My local library is expecting their first shipment of tax forms and instruction books next week. Even if this thing gets passed this week it's still not going to be in time to add instructions on how to claim disaster exemptions to those tax books and another blank to those tax forms. They COULD release a separate disaster claims form and a separate book, but they would still have to have that out by Jan 31st when the government mandates that W2's go out.

Also, if they can't get that done now what made you think those things would be in place if they passed it on Dec 31st?

Because if they'd passed it between Dec 28, when the bill was passed from Senate back to the House, and Speaker Boehner had called it to vote on Dec 31st like everyone in the House was expecting him to and ready to vote on it at that time, they still would have been able to make those adjustments to tax instruction books the first week of January to make the Jan 15 shipping date.

From what I could tell, the total dollar amount allocated to the different departments in the budget of the House version of HR1 was no different than the total that was in the Senate version of HR1. What changed was the amount allocated to some departments was lowered so more could be given to those departments that dealt directly with people affected by any disaster up till Dec 28 2012.

You do understand people have until April 15th to file their taxes right? You also understand that the IRS grants extensions and that a hurricane that destroyed everything you own would likely get you one right?

Yes, but the deadline to make changes to tax software and tax form instruction books isn't extendable. That stuff has to be out and available to the public by the time employees' W2's go out. My employer's already working on ours--our HR asked me today if I had any other receipts for supplies I purchased for the office before they do my W2 (if I get something for my desk, a stapler, pens, colored sticky notes instead of the plain ones everyone else uses, I buy these myself. My employer knows, however, that since I'm the receptionist, what I get for my desk becomes communal property throughout the building so they insist on adding it in as reimbursable business expenses on my W2.)

You can harp on that until you are blue in the face. It doesn't change anything. They want it passed RIGHT NOW because of the emergency relief the Sandy victims need. They've attached a bunch of stuff that failed to pass Congress and now they're trying to sneak it though post-haste using this hurricane as a excuse. That is the definition of PORK whether you want to accept that fact or not.

And again, I explain that this is not a 'Sandy Relief bill' with other things attached to it, it is a government-wide budget bill that just happens to have extra allocations that would favorably help everyone affected by a disaster this year. And in case you hadn't realized, we've been demanding that our lawmakers come up with a government budget for quite some time now.

Zannie said:

I read thru the bill too, and after checking out items, it did make sense. If the House had passed any sensible bills last year, the Senate bill would not have contain pieces of other disasters.

I hadn't read through the whole thing yet, but a glance-through pretty much showed me the same thing. And the majority of the House read it and were ready to vote on it and get it out of the way--and was derailed by Speaker Boehner's abrupt, unanticipated decision to not call it to a vote.

Okay, hey, everybody.

Can we PLEASE stop with all the name calling? Great Blessed Goddess, how can we expect our elected officials to show civility, compassion, fairness, justice, and honor when we ourselves don't display it? Name-calling, ridicule, crude references to sex acts and bodily functions do not contribute to the discussion of reasoning, rational adults.

Let's get back to the topic, remember to respect ourselves as well as each other, and also keep in mind that this is a public forum viewable to children and young adults and we are not exactly showing the best of ourselves at the moment.

Vitter is very free calling people idiots, he should take a good look at his party, that would be a good start !

Backcountry164

Well in this country people who ask for forgiveness and make an effort to prove they are sincere are generally given a second chance.

So before you go criticizing OTHER peoples values maybe YOU should take a look at your own.

uh.. oh.. words of wisdom has hit the vine.

I'm not "right wing" I'm a libertarian.

Stop... you will only confuse them Backcountry. If you don't fit in the Republican box, then you must be a teabagger I believe they say. Libertarian is too long of a word. hehehe

Amanda-2017567

Out of curiosity, is your face blue yet?

Your whole tax argument is moot. NO politician used that as a reason to get this bill passed ASAP. The only reason ANY of them want it passed now is for Sandy relief. It's what Reid was bitching about, it's what Christie was bitching about, it's what they've ALL been bitching about.

And I'll say it again, If it's not money needed for the imediate relief of those affected by Sandt then it should be delt with properly. Discussed and debated just like we expect our politicians to do. That is their job after all.

Some of the things in this bill have already failed to pass Congress. They were voted down. Congress said NO. So why don't you explain how tacking that stuff onto this new bill (that so many people want to rush through due to Sandy) is NOT pork??

Amanda-2017567

Did a little research, your tax argument is further nullified-

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/tax-relief-planned-sandy-victims-volunteers-1C6979491

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/Help-for-Victims-of-Hurricane-Sandy

I love these comparisons. NY/NJ didn't suffer the loss of life because they heeded the warnings and moved to safer ground. More people live in the NYC metro area than lived in the path of Katrina. But their politicians told them to go to the Super Dome even after Bush released federal money to help evacuate the area 2 whole days before the hurricane hit. Some of my friends who were at law school at Tulane evacuated over to Baton Rogue. The main problem with the loss of life was that EDUCATED people left and UNEDUCATED people choose to go to the Super Dome.

And for the the complaining of how fast the funds got where. What group of people suffered in Katrina which became MSNBC's new campaign of how Bush hates certain people compared to what group of people have suffered up here in the NYC area. Yes, racism still exists on MSNBC.

Looks like Vitter would wish to remain as unnoticed as He possibly can. It has been reported from time to time, that he has yet some $500,000.00 in bounced checks floating around various "houses of ill repute" from western Mississippi to Eastern Texas, and all around the Washington DC area. He should be more worried about angry women with razors.

Vitter is correct in his assessment of Harry Reid.

@sanity,

You may find it hard to believe but I agree with you!

"Sadly, Harry Reid has again revealed himself to be an idiot, this time gravely insulting Gulf Coast residents,"

This is the norm for that old stumblebum. One only need look up the many asinine statements that come out of his mouth, yet the dullards re-elected him.

Both of these guys have an accute case of crainial-rectal inversion and need to be retired. Case in point; Galveston, 1900, 6000 dead

Colorado-Man

Vitter is correct in his assessment of Harry Reid.

"Goo-goo, Gaa-gaa" Thank you Senator Vitter...now please pay the lady and put some pants on.

Everybody looks at these storms differently, Katrina had a greater death toll, more damage done to the urban areas and many, many people evacuated. Sandy affected a wider area and many more people and did great damage to a huge urban area. I don't think this is a subject to be claiming, "We're number one" about. After all as Jimmy points out There were at least 6000 killed in Galveston, TX in 1900.

I think we all should just get together and help our neighbors with a national problem.

okie - why? Why is it my problem if idiots choose to live below sea level in LA? Or in an area that is hit with tornados every year? This is a risk that you fools chose - I did not and I don't want to pay for your stupidity.

Katrina's ok to give pork-laden aid to (even if it was given too late). Because it's in a red state. New York can just go to hell because it's blue.

Just like Reid deserves unlimited criticism for a few misstatements when he's in pursuit of aid for hurricane victims because he's a Democrat. But Vitter deserves praise in spite of his prostitute usage and diaper fetish because he's a Republican.

See? Simple.

That's a very, very good point, Dangerous Mind. Where were all of these teabagging dimwits when the Republican Congress and President passed pork laden aid for Katrina?

I'm beginning to think that all the little righties suffer from the same condition Vitter does. I would, however, hesitate to call it a fetish. I think they they got just so far in their potty training and couldn't figure it out from there...

We should go into the business of selling diapers with a "Don't Tread on Me" patch on the butt that turns blue when it's full.

I do not think so, Obama did well with the Sandy. But when 1,000 or so people die in Katrina and the Speaker of the House says it is "nothing" in comparison to Sandy, that is clearly wrong. I think he would like to walk that one back. The fact that 12 days after Katrina those folks were receiving money and now we are 68 days or so past Sandy and the relief money is not flowing is a travesty. Get the pork out and get the good people of NJ and NY thier money

The request for funding from the administration did not even show up until Dec 8.

That's interesting lulu98. I hadn't heard that one yet. Can you verify? Just curious.

Sorry off by one day. It was dec. 7.

www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/supplemental__december_7_2012_hurricane_sandy_funding_needs.pdf.pdf

A civil request for back up and consensus, WOW !!!!

Isn't this the way our "Statesman" are suppossed to work it in DC??

Just saying.

The time it took for the request has been bothering me as well. It may be that NY/NY governors were putting together a very detailed request but if that is not the case then the WH dropped the ball.

Obama did great in the aftermath of Sandy. Especially during his two hour photo opp tour of the damage in New Jersey. It was good for the Obama campaign and he took full advantage of the crisis. Remember, it was Democrats that coined the phrase never let a good crisis go to waste. But as is evident from the lack of help the victims have received, Obama and Washington quickly moved on to other priorities.

Rick - Don't you ever get tired of your hate? Had President Obama NOT gone to NJ & NJ you would have whined about that. You would not be happy whatever he did. You truly are a sad person.

RE: Everything Obama and Reid say.

Here's the issue, its not what those two say. It what all politicans say and how the other side reacts. IN New Jersey, Gov. Christie says some funny things. but he is always under the microscope for that.

Additionally, this administration has made pretty good at overstating and over emphasizing. Yea we just had a recession that was awful and maybe by the numbers the worst since the Depression. However, most depression era souls are probably rolling over in their graves at the thought of the hardship of 10% unemployment and the miniscule drop in the market by comparison. This admin has certainly opened its doors to ridicule from opposing parties for this reason.

Rick - Don't you ever get tired of your hate? Had President Obama NOT gone to NJ & NJ you would have whined about that. You would not be happy whatever he did. You truly are a sad person.

So true. It was funny that he went to NJ & NJ because Bloomberg told him not to come to NYC.

Wow, "celtic"...Do you even know what a Speaker of the House is? You are accusing John Boehner of some bad things. Can you back that up with evidence?

I'd like to know, from maybe one of the teabaggers that knows what a Speaker of the House is, why they and their morality police haven't actively sought Vitter's removal from office.

(oh...and, by the way, "celtic". Getting "pork" out of a bill does not mean substituting chicken...)

Rickylotsanumbers whines about everything. Goldilocks Syndrome, at least with brown bears.

chick binder says "Rickylotsanumbers whines about everything. Goldilocks Syndrome, at least with brown bears."

What a totally hilarious comment coming from liberals that constantly blame Bush for everything that happens on Obama's watch. Too bad Obama hasn't been able to rise above his obvious lack of qualifications for the job of POTUS, and move beyond the blame game that is now heading into its fifth year. I wonder how long it takes the average liberal to change a flat tire, if that is even possible?

Shockand...did you know your grandmother and grandfather are probably what you would term "teabaggers" as they probably believe in the Constitution. I don't you even know who started that particular movement do you. Well fyi...average Americans who were simply fed up with the dictatorship ethics coming out of Washington. I for one am sick to death of people like you bad mouthing on folks you know nothing about... Just know that it does show your ignorance and simple lack of understanding one of our basic rights of freedom

Reid should retire and let a younger more opened-minded person join the democrats, same holds true for Pelosi. By the way, Mr. Speaker keep up the good work, you and the house are doing a great job of keeping the Democrates on their toes.

Wicked Wanda - the filth of so many of your comments makes you not worth reading in the future. You've shown you are crude and totally classless.

once again 737 - and I'm sure you feel the same way about McConnell and brain dead Michelle Bachmann, right? If not, shut up!

How about "too bad Mr. Romney lost the election", or "too bad President Obama was reelected", or "too bad Congress is held in such low esteem by the electorate", or "too bad Mr. Boehner is held in even (can you believe it) lower esteem".

Other than your endless drivel with the "name game" - as obviously and profoundly biased it is - is there some point you're trying to make? Your generalizations about liberals, and virtually any other element of society are boorish. We've all long since identified your hidden agenda. Get used to it - it's called intelligence, self-esteem and equality.

once: I have long had the impression the job of the Speaker is to lead the House of Representatives, collectively, in reaching agreement on legislation that will benefit this country.

Rick-3416939

Obama did great in the aftermath of Sandy. Especially during his two hour photo opp tour of the damage in New Jersey. It was good for the Obama campaign and he took full advantage of the crisis. Remember, it was Democrats that coined the phrase never let a good crisis go to waste. But as is evident from the lack of help the victims have received, Obama and Washington quickly moved on to other priorities.

But you know, it wasn't nearly as classic as Bush's 35,000 ft flyover on his way back from vacation. And who can forget those inspiring words from the former 1st Lady Barbara Bush "Worked very well for them..." comment?

seeking insanity, we don't hate obama, just realize he's not up to the task! Apparently neither is Harry Reid!

Eva seeking insanity, we don't hate obama, just realize he's not up to the task! Apparently neither is Harry Reid!

Can't be any worst then Bush! and Ole tanhead!

EvaPeron - I have to laugh when idiots like you put up a photoshopped avitar and think people believe it's you! And, dearie, President Obama is definitely up to the task and is better prepared than Bush or your idiot candidate Romney EVER was! Oh, and Harry Reid, he can walk circles around McConnel and Boehner as well as Cantor. You have nothing to put up as good leaders so you should just quit while you are MILES behind!

"wanda"...the only thing the teabaggers know about the Constitution is which hand to use when they wipe their butts with it. "celtic" would be the prime example of the complete ignorance that you would call your "movement".

You are only fed up with what you are being told to be fed up with, "wanda" - otherwise we would have been hearing absolute fury from you and your fellow minions during the Bush years. You know what you are and, fortunately, so does the majority of the American public.

So...Where is your outrage that a man that pays prostitutes to dress him up in diapers is still a member of the "family values" party in the Senate?

Seeking - That probably is actually an older picture of Eva. She probably knew Vitter really well in the not so distant past - wouldn't you say?

"eva" seems to think that we have forgotten the circus show of lunatic idiots we were presented as the "Republican Primaries".

I miss "idiot of the month"TV. What a show----Not in any particular order, Gingrick, Trump, Token Black Guy, Whats his Name from PA, topped by "My dad didnt want to be Prez" , "I never made it to the front, Ron", and the sane one that left quickly.

Eva, ignore seeking insanity, most of us do. She's not stupid, but just hasn't got the thinking part down yet!

Obama doesn't care about Sandy, jobs, the deficit... as a second termer all he wants is to get his socialist agenda passed. Like a festering sore, he's slowly succeeding... to the detriment of what American really needs... fiscal restraint and encourage businesses, especially small business.... hello Barry, are you listening?

I get it now.... It seems that seeking insanity and amanda must both be employees on Reid's staff! There's no other reason why anyone would go to such lengths to defend this mad man! You know the old saying: 'birds of a feather, flock together'. Plus who else would hire them if dirty Harry got kicked out of office? You go girls, lmao!

Poor little "bill"...No other comment than saying someone works for the politician he hates simply because they have a different view. Gosh...that's never been done before.

Your definition of "mad man" must be pretty loose, "bill" if you can put your support behind a man that pays prostitutes to put him in diapers. Every time Vitter stands on the Senate floor he disgraces your already damaged party...and you could care less. Is it Vitter that is crapping in your smiling face, or does he pay one of his prostitutes to do it for him?

I dont support a guy that pays a hooker to put him in diapers and I also dont support a guy like reid who puts his pork in barney.

Even so, they may call each other what they like behind closed doors. In public I expect more professionalism.

Reid continues to make one dumbass statement after another. First, he attacked Romney's degree of "mormonism" which was totally useless, then he attacked Boehner during the fiscal cliff crisis, and now he makes another outlandish statement when Hurricane Katrina caused about TIMES as many deaths as Sandy!!!

Does he know when to close his piehole ? Does he know when it's time to dislodge his foot from his mouth ??

jim-1455434

Does he know when to close his piehole ? Does he know when it's time to dislodge his foot from his mouth ??

And you consider this worse that a "Speaker of the House" that can't get his own party to support his position and requires Democratic votes? ...not how I spell leadership.

Ol Croc, Obama has YET to have a BUDGET PASSED as required by law ... now about to enter his second term !

Are you telling us all that Obama is even LESS OF A LEADER than Boehner ??

Besides Harry Reid has his "butt-prints" all over numerous bills passed by the House. The old fart wouldn't even allow them to come up for consideration. Of course, libtards everywhere will find a way to blame this obstruction upon someone else ! LOL !!

reid took it back said he was in error factually

note how tweets and statements continue to act as if reid didn't take it back

what reid said was over the top and stupid and wrong. he seems to know that

fine to continue to say he said that but to continue to act as if he never took it back in your ongoing comments is wrong...to not acknowledge that he ever took them back is wrong

reid is more wrong BECAUSE people died.

If all you can see about New Orleans is the food, then you've truly missed out on a historical culture. But to say not to rebuild in one area over another is just wrong. If you cannot re-invest in one area, then why should anyone get any more money? What about Florida, it's hit by more Hurricanes then Louisiana, so we should just write off Florida? The Outer Banks of North Carolina is constantly being washed out due to hurricanes (the outskirts of Sandy did this but no reads about it) and yet it is rebuilt. Why? Because Americans live there. No one should be excluded.

Westguy ... You don't like the music? America would be a cultural wasteland without it. As to education, a new study coming out will show that Louisiana has made great strides.

I agree with Think, but it should also be pointed out - scientists have been saying since 1980 that we will get more of these destructive weather events because of our energy policies. We need to impose weather-catastrophe taxes on all carbon fuel sources. Let the big oil and coal users pay in proportion for the damage that they cause, and let electric vehcile drivers and clean air utilities off the hook.

bcwc - Since New Orleans is the birthplace of jazz I'm with you. New Orleans offers a multitude of cultural activities and is architecturally a goldmine. And, you're correct, their education is improving quite a bit. But, some people have pre-conceived notions about many places and don't really have a good idea of what is real.

Well, noncoms, let's impose a weather-catastrophe tax on the Financial District in New York City. Just because a gulf coast is a major oil producer doesn't mean they should be responsible for weather. WE ALL DRIVE!. Its as American as apple pie. Climate change affects EVERYONE. More tornadoes in the mid-west, more forest fires in California, more snow in the North East. The list goes on and on. We're all Americans and deserve the same treatment from our government.

If you have behavior known to contribute to public costs, doesn't it make sense to impose taxes on that behavior to help pay for the costs? If I want to drive an 8-mpg SUV, why not tax me more than the 50-mpg Prius driver through additional gasoline taxes? It is fair, and helps pay for the costs of climate change (and can be applied only to gasoline so diesel commercial vehicles are exempt).

After all, the $60b price tag of Sandy aid will amount to $200 per every man woman and child in our 300-million population. But the destructive force came disproportionately from those who over-use fossil fuels. They should pay more. It's called personal responsiblity.

There are some areas that should not be rebuilt due to multiple hits from natural disasters - I'll even start with my home state - CA the areas around Malibu and PCH that are hit with slides etc, there should be some thought as to what can be built there. The Outer Banks again they are Natures way of protecting the coast if man were designing nature we would be saying they are designed to be washed away - so why build homes on them. SOme of our river flood basins should not be rebuilt, if there is disasterous flooding in multiple years maybe there should be only farmland no homes. If taxpayers have to help rebuild homes a couple of times in 20-30 years maybe the homes and Businesses dont belong there. It is something to at least camly think about and discuss.

@ noncoms. It doesn't matter what you or I drive (and my car gets 40 mpg highway), we all contribute to the pollution. And the gas tax is to repair the infrastructure. So a Prius that gets 50 mpg is contributing less for more mile driving than let's say a Chevy Malibu which gets 25 mpg. Both use the road the same and both continue to the wear and tear on the road, yet the Prius gets a break on road taxes. And who's to say who over uses fossil fuels? Truckers use way more than you and I, but it is their job and Trucks bring everything you use to your neighborhood. Do we tax them more, thus driving up the cost of living? No, we shouldn't.

And with all the Financial Centers in New York, which controls the banking industry, thus the money, why not tax them? My point is a another special tax isn't the answer.

To think - I addressed trucking already. The point I was making was about the use of tax code to promote desired social trends. We increase taxes on certain things, and provide tax deductions, to promote things that help society as a whole. If greater gasoline taxes reduce gasoline usage, and promote higher mpg vehicles, then we all benefit. Plus its a free market solution - rich people are free to spend the extra money to burn the extra gas if they want to.

Bottomline: higher gasoline taxes for climate catastrophe relief will reduce our dependence on oil, reduce the trade imbalance, delay the eventualy exhaustion of petroleum, reduce future climate impacts, and direct the cost of climate tragedies back onto those who most contribute to causing them.

Incidentally - High mileage vehicles, being lighter, wear our roads less than heavy vehicles like SUVs.

noncoms: The very fact that the hypothetical SUV you talk about only gets 8mpg ensures the individual refueling it pays more in fuel taxes than the hypothetical Prius owner: 7.5 times as much in taxes per mile driven in fact. In reality, diesel is currently taxed at an even greater rate than gasoline and diesel-fueled passenger trucks and cars are not exempt from the higher taxes. They are taxed just as much as the big rigs (and we don't get to write it off as opperating expenses)

Mother Nature will always have her way and there is NOTHING mankind can do about it other than learning our lessons and rethinking where we are going to insist on building. The OB should never have been built upon, nor should any other barrier island...that is what they are supposed to be...BARRiERS. We have destroyed those barriers by building upon them.

Hey Nonsense,

For the record, that high mileage vehicle you talk about, is made in China...So I propose we tax you 100% importation taxe for buying products not Made in USA!!!! I consider the purchase of China products pollution.

And please don't get on the Volt horse, that car sells for $40K but actually costs GM (that's us US tax payers in case you forgot) $90K a piece to make.

Drill Baby Drill!!!!!

Well, at least the last half of your statement is correct. Check out the video of Harry Reid getting it done on the last day of the 112th congress. You might change your tune.

why did he wait so long? a reasonable answer is for political theater. what might your answer be

billybob: the House sent the Senate a budget bill for all departments of the Federal Government. The Senate looked at it and saw no extra allocations for the Departments dealing with all the natural disasters thus far this year.

So the Senate asked for a rundown on what was needed from all over the country, from all statesaffected. When they had that total they looked at all the funds the House allocated to different departments and agencies, consulted various subcommittees and departments to see what they actually needed and came up with about $60 billion that various departments, like the Department of defense, said they didn't really need and the money could be better used to help disaster victims. The Senate made those changes, then gave the amended HR1 to the House Dec 28.

It had Senate approval, Presidential approval, and majority House approval. Speaker Boehner simply didn't call it to a vote, for whatever reason, and held it over for this year's first Congressional session.

If it had passed on last year's congressional session, people might have been able to claim disaster relief on their taxes this April. As it didn't, they may have to wait until April 2014 before they can claim losses on their taxes. this could result in a lot of small businesses closing because they don;t have the funds to recover.

BS Harry Reid the obstructionist who tables more then 50 percent of the bills sent to him from congress, got NOTHING done.

Washington is overloaded with idiots...you need a map anymore. Reid, McConnell must go. They have forgotten what it is to serve America!

mulet - why does it NOT surprise me your moniker is "mullet?" Perhaps you might want to stay on topic - I don't believe Biden is mentioned at all in the article.

This is somehow about Biden? Gratuitous insults are tossed about by idiots hoping their @!$%# sticks to something.

Is sporting a mullet anything like a buzz kill?

Gee... what an appropriate Moniker!

Mullet: and tatooed backwards so he can read it in the mirror! Maybe it would give him pause to actually see that he is an idiot.

He needs to retire. I think he's in line with o'biden in the dementia arena. Can't quite tell who is the worst.

bcwc - did you send me an e-mail? Just want to make sure I'm not replying to some whacko! :-)

yes I did

And jon, you know about these sexual deviate traits how? Facts, not innuendo.

Fisrt is this confusing Vitter with Weiner? Or is this about Vitter getting caught up in the DC Madam scnadal, or is this about his rupposed DIaper fetish?

Umm...wow..."holly" and "think...". Are you really that ignorant. Is it willful or genetic??

I'm sure you heard nothing about it because I'm also sure that the creepy people you get your news from frequented the same madam...

lol Let me get this right. All you people are trashing Vitter for his supposed indescreations (because he's a rep) Are the same libs the think Bill Clinton (you know that guy that was impeached for having sex with one of his employees in the oval office) is quite fine, even the person who represented you at last years DNC. I don't know, isn't this just a little hypocritical?

You nailed it perfectly! I do however live in Louisiana and just have to say I never voted for the idot and can only hope the people here are not so stupid as to allow him to run for governor.

ooomy, Clinton was never taken to court because he broke no laws. The Supreme Court cannot define pornography never mind what a blow job is. A woman sucking a mans tongue is a kiss. isn't a blow job technically a kiss on another part of the anatomy. I find kissing is quite pleasurable, and not against the law. What was that song by Exile?" I want to kiss you all over "

Really, shockanddisgusted, all you can do is attack my intelligence? Why is that? Why not support your position with FACTS. Visiting a madam doesn't necessarily mean your a deviant. I heard his name was found in her list of clients, but I didn't hear anything about what happened. If you have some facts, the show them, but to claim someone is ignorant because they haven't read the FACTS, shows very little tolerance and bias on your part. And I mostly read MSN and watch nightly news on NBC, a somewhat left leaning news sources.

So I'd say your lack of facts may make you the ignorant one. But I wouldn't want to accuse you of that so that I would be just as biased as you.

I wasn't aware, "think" that being willfully ignorant was a sign of low intelligence...but if you say so...(I say you're a little touchy on the "smarts" issue...but that's between you and your therapist).

Do your own homework on your Vitter. At best, visiting a madam may not make you a deviant, but it certainly is very illegal in most parts of the United States. You are obviously OK with lawmakers that violate laws and I pity your position of having to defend such a disgusting human being.

As a Louisiana native "coon ass" I know a thing or two about comparing Katrina To Sandy hurricanes. If it were not for Federal ineptness of the Corp of Engineers there would not have been a problem in New Orleans and thousands of people would not have died. FEDERAL INACTION OF KNOWN PROBLEMS. In other words no money to fix known problems because of "political inaction". Sandy on the other hand was forecast to do exactly what it did. The combination of New Orleans being BELOW SEA LEVEL and the coast of New Jersey and New York being at nearly the same as sea level can not be questioned, THIS IS FACT, what IS and DENIED by the same republicrap "lawmakers" is that sea level is INCREASING and WILL BE INCREASING FROM NOW ON. What most republicrap "lawmakers" balked about while approving money for the help and reconstruction of the New Orleans area was that it is not "good investment " of tax payers money. A paltry 30 billion, and thousands of DEAD citizens. Now New York and New Jersey and sundry other locals want 60 BILLION. In my mind 60 billion is ONE HELL OF A LOT MORE MONEY THAN 30 BILLION. Lets not even compare lives lost. So from the "family values" PROSTITUTE USING VITTER SAYING MR REID IS CRAZY COMPARING THE TWO AND NOT GIVING New Orleans the "most damage" title, well Vitter is WRONG AGAIN, BUT THIS IS NOTHING NEW, VITTER IS WRONG 95% OF THE TIME ANYWAY. Hey Dave any new hookers you recommend? Vitter is a snake in the grass and a COMPLETE LIER, I would not vote for him to run an animal shelter.

@ray4ausa

Funny that Belgium & The Netherlands never see these huge flooding & storm issues, as they are below sea level as well. No that they deal with hurricanes but, those North Sea Storms get pretty nasty. Engineers in those countries laugh at the Corps of Engineers in this country, and they have a right to.

Jay -

FYI - the steering currents in the Northern Atlantic go from Nort to south along the coast of Europe instead of from south to north along our Atlantic seaboard. As a result, I doubt that a hurricane would ever hit those coasts. That is not to say they don't see bad storms, but nothing on the order of a hurricane.

Yeah, it sounds like Vitter really has his diapers in a twist.

Yuh, and you're stoopid. Which 3rd grade class are you cutting?

really, Misguided Flaming Idiot

Ok I was just going to make one comment and move on, but then I saw yours Towne. I have to say that with all the trouble the GOP has right now, calling Harry Reid an idiot is not in the best interest of the GOP. Maybe Mr. Reid misspoke and it happens people do it all the time, but I think the GOP has enough to deal with without Vitter going around the Captiol Building calling a fellow Congressman names like a five year old who was told he couldn't get a g.i. joe doll for his birthday. Grow up. Everyone knows that Hurricane Katrina was worse than Hurricane Sandy as far as the death toll and the amount of money it cost to help the people in the southern states that were affected by Katrina. But, if you would actually you know read once in a while and get your information from more than one source (FOX NEWS) then you would know that Sandy was actually supposed to miss the east coast and instead it struck it head on. You people have no freaking clue what is going on in the world, yet you go on these websites and post these comments like you actually know what is going on in the world. Try reading and actually listening to the news from multiple sources and not just FOX. You may actually learn something.

Kennedy -

And what trouble would you consider that to be? The thing is, with all of Reid's obstruction and gaffes, I wonder if he needs to be checked for Alzheimer's? And Biden as well for that matter.

Wow Kennedy...What kind of trouble is the GOP in? If you got your information other than all the Left leaning media sources ...you would not make such a comment. Ask yourself a question....Why did the left fill the Sandy Bill full of garbage and Pork for the Left ...that it was impossible to pass the BILL for Sandy as it stood.

Therefore they are the ones at fault for the delayed the passage for Sandy funds.

The administration did not request funding until Dec. 7. The letter to the House and the Senate is on whitehouse.gov

I didnt realize that turning a quote was republican exclusive. Guess most hear what they want to hear.

Guess the Republicans should quit acting like they're democrats.....

While Sen Reid clearly "mispoke here -- it is also true that this his greater point is what is most important. US Senators are suppose to be "gentlemen" anf are suppose to be above this pitty nonsense. While it is not the exclusive habit of the Republicans to attack and fight instead of resolve the problom and play word games and accuse others of stuff they make up ---- they have bcome the master's of it over the last several years. Why don't we stopped the childish pissing contest (on both sides) and actually act like serious grown ups and do somethng constructive and in the best interest of all Americans!?

Why do we continue to state that Louisiana is a republican controlled state. In 2005 when Katrina hit, the Governor was Kathleen Blanco, a democrat. In addition, Ray Nagin, the Mayor of New Orleans at the time, was also a democract.

GeorgeW148 - because it is a Republican state. Mayor and governor - next question?

Vitter should not call anyone an idiot he ran as a born again christian while paying hookers for sex. Maybe he is suffering the late stages of veneral induced brain damage.

George -

That would be because liberals and democrats cannot admit that they are incorrect - even when their noses are rubbed in their messes.

Maybe his was there because she was looking for a reference.

Yes we are paying them and they just gave themselves a 1.7 pay increase. Awesome!

I guess all the legal prostitutes in Nevada must have voted old harry back into office in his last election !

Your point ?

I agree with you jim, this shouldn't be an issue.

jim-1455434

I guess all the legal prostitutes in Nevada must have voted old harry back into office in his last election.

You mean the Architects?

LMAO.

Salud

If we took all the Congressmen/women out of office for "sexual reasons" .... hell, there probably would be no one left. Mr. Vitter's "issues" are old news and he has reconciled with his family.

Harry Reid, on the other hand, is just an old gasbag looking for an opportunity to pour out his stupidity. For Harry, this is about the third time in as many months ! Maybe he needs a good enema ?

Kinda like the Libs still embrace ole "Slick Willie" long after he left his mark in the Oval Office and then lied about it. They are politicians, they are all evil.

Vitter did something illegal and the teabaggers appaulded him for it. What moral standing does he have being in office? Why should he get a free pass while his party demanded Weiner quit over something that was NOT illegal. But then the Cons were nver very good at following their own standards.

Oh 25.5, What Clinton did was not illegal. He covered up something that was irrevelent. But that "lie" you talk about is nothing more than the Cons misinterperting the law and context in which President Clinton gave his testimony. (S*x had a different legal definition when testified as opposed to every day meanings.)

Clinton LIED directly to Congress .... "I did not have sex with THAT woman, Ms. Lewinsky".

Sure Willie, sure .... she was just polishing your Presidential knob but that is not considered sex ! LMAO !!

That being said, jim-1455434 - let us not forget that the Honorable David Vitter, US Senator from the gawd-fearing State of Louisiana- who thumps his bible and touts his christian family values at every opportunity - and keeps getting re-elected by those conservative, gawd-fearing Louisianians - and, who led the charge to impeach President Clinton over the Lewinsky scandal - had his name appear on the client list of the DC madam - a high-end whore servicing the uber-rich. Factually, that makes Vitter a hypocritical whoremonger.

Factually, that is irrelevant. Vitter's comment on Harry Reid is totally on target. Reid seems hell-bent lately on proving he is a flaming moron ! All you libs can do is deflect, deflect, deflect and try to change the focus of the article.

The nice thing about being a god fearing Christian is that you can pray away ANYTHING. Bow your head, put your hands together and say I'm sorry (only in your head of course) and it goes away and you are clean once again.

Then when you do the same thing again at the end of the week, no problem, pray it away again! Ah so good to be a god fearing man!